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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 28 Jun 1984

Vol. 352 No. 5

Estimates, 1984. - Vote 40: Industry, Trade, Commerce and Tourism (Revised Estimate)

I move:

That a sum not exceeding £280,516,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of December, 1984, for the salaries and expenses of the Office of the Minister for Industry, Trade, Commerce and Tourism, including certain services administered by that Office, and for payment of certain loans, subsidies, grants and grants-in-aid.

This revised Estimate provides for gross expenditure of £284,817,030 for the year 1984 as compared with a provisional out-turn of £289,113,000 for corresponding services in 1983, an overall decrease of £4.296 million or 1.5 per cent.

Appropriations-in-Aid are estimated at £4.301 million compared to a corresponding 1983 outturn of £4.377 million. These figures take account, of course, of the transfer of the Industry function from the Department of Industry and Energy in December 1983.

Deputies may be interested to know how the gross estimate of £284.817 million is made up. The sum of £139.203 million represents capital expenditure, with the balance of £145.614 million going on current expenditure. On an expenses classification basis, £9.52 million is for departmental administration and salaries or 3.3 per cent; £1.905 million for other departmental operating expenses, or 0.7 per cent; grants-in-aid to State Bodies £216.943 million, or 76.2 per cent; and services administered by my Department, including subsidies, £56.449 million, or 19.8 per cent.

I intend to publish a White Paper on Industrial Policy on 12 July. The White Paper is a statement of industrial policy for the decade ahead and represents the Government's response to the Telesis and NESC Report on Industrial Policy, published in October, 1982. It also reflects the subsequent detailed analysis carried out on these reports and some of the major elements in the IDA's strategic plan.

I should like to stress most strongly that the time taken in the preparation of the White Paper did not delay in any way the implementation of a number of major initiatives in industrial development over the last 18 months. I will refer to some of them later on in my speech.

The White Paper deals with the following matters. It defines the scope, objectives and future directions of industrial policy. Programmes and strategies are proposed not alone for manufacturing but also for internationally traded services. These services provide quality employment and produce wealth and valuable export earnings.

The primary objectives of industrial policy are:

—to create and maintain the maximum number of sustainable jobs;

—to maximise the value added by industry and to retain this wealth for further investment and employment creation within the country;

—to develop an internationally competitive industrial base, made up of both Irish and foreign owned firms, with priority being given to the promotion of indigenous and natural resource based industries;

—to improve significantly the rate of return on the massive Exchequer investment to the commercial State companies.

The future directions of our industrial policy are as follows:—

(1) Industrial incentives and State advisory services will be applied more selectively than in the past and resources will be concentrated on internationally traded manufacturing and service industries, particularly Irish owned firms.

(2) There will be a switch in State resources from fixed asset investment to technology acquisition and export marketing development.

(3) Priority will be given to the attraction of overseas projects which will perform their strategic business functions in their Irish factories.

(4) Through the tax incentives announced in this year's Finance Act, a risk capital market for investment in internationally traded manufacturing and service industries is being developed.

(5) The Government will take all the measures within their powers to improve the business environment with the aim of increasing the competitiveness and profitability of industry and other productive sectors.

(6) They will promote effective education, training and worker mobility measures in the economy.

(7) Other appropriate policies to capture the gains of industrial development will be devised.

In setting out the policy framework, the White Paper charts our industrial performance in the past ten years when the rate of the average annual increases were 4.1 per cent in manufacturing output; 10.7 per cent in manufacturing exports; and 4.5 per cent in productivity. Unfortunately manufacturing employment is at its lowest level for many years as job losses continue to exceed the rate of new jobs created. It must be emphasised, however, that industrial employment has declined much more significantly in virtually all industrialised countries between 1970 and 1980 than it has in Ireland. It is interesting that manufacturing employment reached its peak in Ireland in 1979 whereas it reached its peak in the US in 1950 and in Japan in 1970. We continued to have growth in manufacturing employment longer than most other countries experienced. This is probably a feature of the relative lateness of our industrialisation relative to other countries. One should not necessarily see it as an indication of failure that the trends which applied in other countries are also having an effect here.

The international environment affecting industrial development in Ireland over the next decade will be a difficult one. World trade is forecast to grow at a slower rate than in the seventies. Competition on international markets will increase as some of the newly industrialised countries enhance their infrastructure, skill and education levels. Increasing unemployment and the rapid rundown of some of the traditional industries in Europe will intensify the bidding among member states for a shrinking pool of mobile international investment. Technological change and advances in productivity will be even more rapid than in recent years.

We do have many advantages for industrial development. Our incentive package is still the most generous and comprehensive available anywhere in the world. We now have an adequate supply of skilled and semi-skilled labour. This is in contrast to the position 15 years ago. On quite a number of occasions in the past 18 months, I have heard overseas companies speak very highly on the quality and commitment of the Irish workforce. Already the major investment programme in telecommunications in recent years is bearing fruit. There has always been and there will continue to be a favourable attitude by the Irish Government towards inward investment by foreign industry.

The White Paper will also outline the action being taken and planned to improve the business environment. A favourable environment is necessary if existing firms are to develop and expand and it is essential to the continued attraction of investment from overseas. The extent to which the Government can give relief to industry from cost pressures has been seriously inhibited by our straitened Exchequer circumstances which in turn are the sad legacy of the spendthrift policies of the 1977-81 period. An important initiative has been the establishment in 1983 of the Industrial Costs Monitoring Group which is a permanent body and includes an independent industrialist among its members as well as representatives of various State agencies and Government Departments. The first report by the group, which will be available soon, will set down a quantitative framework within which changes in costs and prices affecting industry can be assessed in a systematic way.

New and improved incentives are proposed in the Paper to tackle the deep seated weaknesses of Irish industry in product and technology development and export marketing.

Clear and unambiguous criteria are being laid down for grant assistance which require that a firm is either engaged primarily in exporting, supplying skilled parts and components to industry or are subject to import competition on the Irish market. The IDA is now, as part of its new strategy, adopting a company development approach rather than a narrow individual project focus. This is a pilot scheme aimed at directing State assistance, both financial and non-financial, to the key areas of the company and key industries with potential for development.

What page is the Minister at?

I am at page 11.

It is very difficult to keep up with the Minister.

It is a very long speech.

I do not mind the Minister keeping up a good pace.

I am trying to read the speech as quickly as possible in order to allow other speakers to contribute.

I agree with the Minister's sentiments. It is an enormous speech.

I do not know if it was Oscar Wilde who said: "I did not have time to write a shorter one."

Will the Minister have enough breath to get through to the final furlong?

I will get by with a little help from my friends.

So long as the Minister does not take offence.

I may interpolate some comments at various points in my speech. It does not mean — and I want to stress this — that the IDA will be involved in managing or influencing the investment decisions of the company. These are the responsibility of management.

The following important initiatives are being taken to boost our industrial exports. There will be proposals to assist firms with good export ideas but lacking funds to market these properly to launch their products on export markets. CTT estimate that there may be up to 200 indigenous firms which have the potential of achieving a significant growth in their exports, but who are constrained by shortage of finance to cover the expenses associated with entering or developing new markets. It is widely recognised that financial institutions are reluctant to make funds available for marketing activities which have no means to meet the usual banking demands as regards collateral or security. There will be specific programmes in the White Paper to address this problem.

CTT will also initiate an expanded market research programme. The need for this arises from a lack of commitment by many indigenous firms to export market research. The capacity of such firms to compete in export markets depends on their ability to monitor and respond to the ever changing pattern of market demand. Failure to do this in the past has resulted in product obsolescence and lack of product adaptation and development. The CTT scheme is being designed to overcome this.

Many small firms, because of their size and limited production runs, are unable to sustain export marketing progress, even with the help of CTT grants. Accordingly, I am formulating proposals in conjuction with CTT to increase group marketing programmes for small firms exporting complementary but non-competing products, so as to enable them to establish a foothold in export markets and to gain experience.

Finally, I believe there are enormous possibilities for developing exports of goods and services. As the House is aware the IDA have been engaged for some time now in activities designed to attract services firms to Ireland. In addition, legislation was enacted in 1983 to enable CTT to give assistance to exporting firms in the services sector.

This legislation broadens the range of Córas Tráchtála's existing activity, which was mainly concerned with merchandise goods, by enabling them to promote and develop the export of service activities. The Oireachtas also enacted the Insurance Act, 1983, which extends to services activities the existing export insurance facilities for merchandise goods. The range of services which CTT may now promote are designated by ministerial order and include such areas as medical and computer services and various forms of consultancy. The response from firms in the export of services sector has been good and CTT currently have 250 firms on their books. While it is difficult to measure exports in the services area the opportunities are very good and CTT expect exports to rise by 50 per cent this year over the 1983 figure of £144 million.

I also propose to establish a foreign services committee. The need for this committee arises directly from the Export Promotion Amendment Act, 1983, which extends Coras Tráchtála's role in this area and the Insurance Act of the same year which enables the provision of export credit insurance facilities in support of service exports. The whole purpose of the legislation is to capitalise on the many opportunities for export of services, and the objective of the foreign services committee will be to ensure that this potential is realised as quickly as possible.

Our natural resources, particularly food and timber, remain under-utilised. If we are to gain maximum national benefit from the development of these resources, a system of long-term contracts needs to be devised between the producer and the processor. It is only in this way that both partners can expect a reasonable return on their investments and guarantee regularity and quality of supplies. Mechanisms to overcome these problems are contained in the White Paper.

It is true that everyone talks about the potential of the food industry but there has been a noticeable shortage of ideas as to how this potential can be realised. Some people seem to think that all that is required is increased output at farm level, and, while increased farm production is, of course, highly desirable, the fact is that we are often unable to sell at reasonable prices what we are already producing.

Huge amounts of Irish beef and dairy produce now go into intervention. Obviously, something is wrong when we become so dependent on sales into intervention. The problem is that we have not been producing food products that the consumer wants. That is why the long-term contracts idea is quite important, because it will enable the processor who is more closely in touch with the consumer, to have a mechanism of ensuring that his needs are taken properly into account by the producer from the very earliest stage of production on the farm.

The food business has become very sophisciated in recent years, and today's consumer demands more than just basic products such as beef, bacon, butter and cheese. Whether we like it or not, the demands of the market-place have been changing, with increased emphasis on processed products and frozen foods. Meanwhile, we have been producing surpluses of beef and basic dairy products, such as butter and skim milk powder. In other words, we have been going the wrong way about marketing our food — producing first and then endeavouring to sell our produce as a sort of by-product of production. Clearly, what is needed instead is a market-led approach.

Hear, hear.

Food processing firms must develop products to meet the change in demand; they must produce them to the highest standards and they must adopt a more professional approach to marketing.

One may ask what is the Government doing to encourage this activity. Obviously there is a limit to what any Government can do to stimulate activity in a particular industrial sector where, in fact, the actors are in the private sector. A very wide range of incentives and support services is provided by the State to firms in the food business. In relation to product development, for example, R and D and feasibility study grants are available from the IDA and technical advice and support is directly and readily available from the IIRS Food Technology Division. Capital grants are, of course, available for new projects and marketing assistance is provided by several agencies. May I just interpolate there that part of the problem is that although there are many State agencies assisting the food business, many are under different Ministers and do not always pursue the same lines of policy. In many ways, the problems which exist between producer and processor are mirrored by the same problems between the agencies and Ministers responsible for producers, processors and other sectors of the food industry. It is to find a practical solution to this problem that the Committee of Ministers of State on the food industry have been established. They have a number of useful recommendations already, one of which was acted upon almost immediately. I expect that they will do a lot of valuable work in the future, bringing a political impetus to an area where decision-making of the detailed kind is very necessary.

Something further which the Government can do is to ensure that all of this support and assistance is provided in the most advantageous manner possible by the various Departments and agencies involved. It is for this purpose that I have, as I said, with the approval of my colleagues, the Ministers for Agriculture and Fisheries and Forestry, established a high level group, comprising the Ministers of State at the relevant Departments, to co-ordinate and maximise the activities of the various Departments and State agencies involved with the food industry. They have had a number of meetings and I am hopeful that they will be in a position to put forward quickly some positive proposals which will strengthen the Government's contribution to the industry.

I now turn to foreign industry. Foreign industry has brought many benefits. At present overseas firms employ over 80,000 people and have increased their share of total employment in manufacturing from 27 per cent to 36 per cent in the last ten years; they produce over £5,000 million worth of goods a year; they buy goods and services in Ireland of £1,600 million per annum and export goods to the value of £3,500 million.

There has been much public debate in recent months on the level of repatriation of profits by overseas companies. Repatriated profits of overseas companies in Ireland amount to approximately 13 per cent of the sales revenue of these firms. They amount to 55 per cent of the profits earned by these companies in Ireland. The balance, 45 per cent, is reinvested here. It must be remembered that the "profits" earned in Ireland by an affiliate of an overseas company are not necessarily profits earned by the Irish company.

Thus, for example, if a US drugs manufacturer spends several hundred million pounds developing a new product which he subsequently decides to manufacture in Ireland, the Irish operation will be required to recoup the development moneys already spent before the company even come to Ireland. Thus, the so-called profits to the Irish subsidiary will not necessarily be profit to the owners, but rather will be used to cover costs already incurred in facilitating the establishment of the Irish operation in the first place.

The fact that Ireland is a profitable location for overseas companies is a major element in the IDA's overseas promotion programme. If this were not generally the case, we would not attract these companies to Ireland in the first instance.

There are several reasons why profit repatriation has grown in recent years, first, the growth in recent years of the turnover of these firms, secondly, the slow down in reinvestment anywhere by firms associated with the recession, thirdly, US tax breaks associated with purchase of parent company debt by overseas affiliates.

The policy of attracting investment from abroad will continue. The White Paper strongly reaffirms this, and there will be no sudden withdrawal of incentives. The emphasis from now on will be to award higher levels of grants to projects which incorporate key business functions and lower grants for mere production units.

The importance of the development of internationally traded services and making Ireland an attractive location for such services is also stressed in the White Paper. I have already referred to the new powers for the promotion of services given to CTT in 1983. Despite a promising start in 1982 the rate of job creation and projects approved under the IDA's new International Services Programme last year were less than expected.

One area in which there is forecast to be tremendous growth worldwide till the end of the decade is computer services. The Finance Act, 1984, extended the 10 per cent manufacturing tax to computer services which were previously liable at 45 per cent. This will give Ireland a major advantage in attracting computer services from abroad and ensure the expansion by existing companies here. Already the IDA have undertaken a major programme overseas promoting this new 10 per cent incentive.

The IDA have also recently established a National Software Centre. It has an initial capital of £1 million. It is the first time that the authority have set up an independent subsidiary. The main functions of the centre will be: (i) to provide technical assistance to Irish companies so as to ensure that they have the skills to compete on export markets; (ii) to give advanced training in software techniques, and (iii) to develop contract software to enable Ireland to compete for the development of sophisticated software for EEC and other international organisations.

The forthcoming White Paper on Industrial Policy will incorporate details of the Government's proposals for the National Development Corporation. The principal functions which the corporation will perform are as follows: (a) acting as a State investment company in new or existing ventures in the private sector; (b) assisting in the development of structurally strong Irish firms; (c) investing in projects in natural resources — related sectors such as food and timber processing and mariculture; (d) launching new projects and stimulating initiatives in the existing State industries; (e) assisting in the establishment of development companies to provide services for small firms on a commercial basis. Legislation will now be drafted to establish the NDC.

The Government see the NDC as a body which will complement existing industrial policy instruments and generate both jobs and wealth in the economy, as well as direct financial profit for the State, the taxpayer and the community. It will not be a grant-giving body or a home for "lame ducks", but will operate under rigorously commercial criteria which will be fully debated here in the House.

The National Enterprise Agency, which I reactivated in mid-1983, will continue to actively progress its work on hand pending the formal establishment of the NDC which will take over its work. The NEA has already made a small number of investments and has been allocated a capital budget of £3 million for this purpose in 1984. The establishment of the NDC, as an equity investment body, will complement the new venture capital tax incentive announced in the budget and outlined in detail in this year's Finance Act.

The scheme provides income tax relief for qualifying investors of equity in unquoted manufacturing and certain service companies. It allows an investor to write-off annually up to £25,000 against taxable income in new ordinary shares on condition that the investment is retained for five years. This is an important new scheme, and I am confident that it will attract a significant amount of external funding to developing enterprises, thereby strengthening their equity base.

There is clear evidence that too many Irish firms are over-dependent on bank borrowings, which curtails their development potential at times of recession and high interest rates. These measures to provide a source of extra equity should help to rectify this deficiency. The White Paper also deals with the promotion of small industries and the plans for providing a one-stop-shop service to these industries in the regions. This was referred to in the report by the Committee on Small Business. They referred to the confusion which exists amongst small business people in getting the type of assistance they need. I hope the reorganisation measures contained in the White Paper will provide a more comprehensible as well as comprehensive service to small businesses, particularly at local and regional level.

To improve the opportunities for small industries to gain an increasing share of the skilled supply business of foreign companies here, the IDA launched a major National Linkage Programme last November. Initially this programme is being concentrated on the electronics sector. This sector has an annual raw material-components requirements of over £400 million, of which less than 20 per cent is now being met by Irish firms. This is an important programme.

As Minister for Finance, I was instrumental in having tax concessions introduced in the 1982 Finance Act designed to promote the concepts of profit sharing or worker shareholding in Ireland.

The reaction of the business community and the trade unions in this area until relatively recently has been disappointing. The adoption of profit sharing schemes, and employee shareholding in particular, on a wide scale in Ireland would represent a radical change from our traditional thinking in the area of industrial relations. In my opinion such a radical change is now a necessity if our industry is to continue to compete successfully on world markets.

To promote greater interest in worker shareholding, the Government decided to improve the tax incentives for approved profit sharing schemes in this year's Finance Act. The limit on the percentage of company profits distributed under such schemes which may be exempted from tax has now been removed. In addition, the value of shares which may be allocated tax free to an employee in any one year has been raised to £5,000 from £1,000.

I believe the spread of more information and discussion on profit sharing and worker shareholding is essential to the successful development of these concepts in Ireland, and I have recently requested the NESC to undertake a study in this area. Also, I look forward to discussing these issues with the employers' organisations and trade unions shortly as I believe that progress on these matters will be an effective step to ensure the success and efficiency of Irish industry and the prosperity and security of Irish workers for the future.

The Government are very conscious of the distress and despondency being experienced by those who, through no fault of their own, have been made redundant, and are anxious that such people should be given every opportunity and encouragement to set up in business themselves. At the end of last year, the Government introduced a new Enterprise Allowance Scheme designed to assist those unemployed people who wish to set up their own business. The scheme, by providing the initial financial incentive which can be vitally important during the early stages of establishing a new business, has proved a very successful means of encouraging enterprise by the unemployed. By the end of last year some 1,700 people were benefiting under the scheme.

The Enterprise Allowance Scheme together with the services operated by State agencies such as the IDA, AnCO, the Youth Employment Agency and the Irish Goods Council now provide a comprehensive range of practical advice and assistance to redundant workers who are considering starting a new business. At my suggestion the IDA are currently finalising a leaflet for redundant workers incorporating details of the various services available from all State agencies in this area and have already published a comprehensive series of booklets on how to set up and run a small firm.

It is very important that people who are becoming redundant should be given an opportunity to consider the possibility of using their redundancy money to set up a small business of their own before they commit it to some other purpose. I hope this leaflet, when it is completed, will be issued to all workers who are becoming redundant, so that they can consider it in time rather than commit themselves to other expenditure.

The Government, through the Employment Task Force, are also considering ways in which encouragement and assistance can best be provided to promote a community-based response to unemployment. A number of community groups are currently engaged in initiatives to tackle unemployment in their own areas.

Co-ordinated community action, in consultation with the relevant State agencies, offers exciting potential for local interests to participate in identifying community needs and productively employing local manpower resources. In my own constituency of Meath, for example, the Navan Chamber of Commerce has established an Industrial Development Trust to promote new industry in the Navan area. In addition, self-help groups for the unemployed have been established in a number of areas. Under the new Voluntary Work Scheme for the unemployed, which is operated by the Department of Social Welfare, groups such as these can now undertake valuable community work with the asssistance of the unemployed people who will continue to receive their unemployment benefits. They will not be ruled out as they would have been hitherto under the pre-existing rules.

Other issues dealt with in the White Paper include: measures for improving the performance of the commercial State companies; the new institutional arrangements for industrial development and the steps being taken to eliminate the duplication of State services to industry and sectoral strategies.

When moving the Estimate for 1983, I referred to the work being carried out by the Sectoral Development Committee. The objectives of this work is the identification on a joint co-operative basis by representatives of workers, employers and Government bodies of how the efficiency and competitiveness of sectors and their sub-sectors can be improved in order to maximise their development potential in Ireland.

Sectoral studies on the textiles, clothing and mechanical engineering industries were published last November. The strategies which have been proposed by the Sectoral Development Committee for these sectors accords with the company development approach now being pursued by the IDA and the other State agencies.

Other sectors or studies which are being carried out or planned by the committee are: electronics and information technology; beef; construction and related manufacturing industry; chemicals and pharmaceuticals; plastics; dairy products; and fishing. In addition to these, a horizontal type of study on marketing is also in progress.

While in overall economic terms 1983 was another bleak year a review of the year indicates that a number of positive features emerged. During 1983 the rate of inflation continued to decline and the balance of payments deficit continued to be reduced. Perhaps the most significant development in 1983 occurred in manufacturing industry. Output from the Irish manufacturing sector grew by 7 per cent in volume terms. The gross value of goods produced by the country's industries exceeded £12,000 million, over £9,000 million of which represented value added to the Irish economy — an increase of £870 million in 1983 alone. This growth was a welcome change from the previous year when no growth whatever was recorded. In addition, the 1983 performance was the highest growth rate in manufacturing output of any EEC country.

The entire growth in industrial output in 1983 was attributable to the 14 per cent rise in the volume of industrial export whereas world trade in manufactured goods grew by a mere 1 per cent. This outturn represents our greatest increase in market share over the past ten years. This growth was spurred mainly by the extra output from companies with substantial IDA investment producing office and data processing machinery, chemicals and consumer goods. The increase in output and exports was also undoubtedly helped by the increase in production per worker in industry of the order of 12 per cent during the year.

During the year also the IDA actively continued the on-going task of industrial development, and over 800 investment projects involving a planned capital investment in fixed assets of over £500 million were negotiated by IDA staff. About 500 of these agreements were with small firms.

Entrepreneurs and small businesses continued to show high interest in setting up new ventures or expanding existing ones. In particular, the number of executives leaving secure employment to "go out on their own" was very encouraging. In all, 60 senior executives agreed to establish their own new projects under the IDA's Enterprise Development Programme in 1983, compared with 35 in 1982.

One hundred and ten overseas projects, including 30 small industries were approved during 1983 — similar to the level of activity in 1982. There was a relatively more rapid rate of growth in domestically-generated projects during the year. These have a planned investment in fixed assets of £300 million. They include over 30 new projects and 40 expansions being undertaken by companies already based in Ireland. In the light of the fall-off in the overall volume of international mobile industrial investment, this represents a strong performance.

A tangible result of this investment activity is the rate of take-up of IDA advance factories which improved considerably during the year when 101 units at 32 locations throughout the country were occupied by Irish and overseas companies. This represents one million sq. ft. of IDA advance factory space.

The IDA estimate that Irish and overseas firms bringing IDA-backed investment on-stream recruited 11,000 Irish people to new jobs during 1983 — a significant achievement against the backdrop of the continuing recession in Europe. This is in line with the IDA's target set at the outset of 1983. Irish firms, mainly small firms, contributed just half, some 5,500 of these jobs, with US firms accounting for 3,000 of these. Almost 1,500 of these jobs were created in firms producing computer and office machinery, almost 1,500 jobs arose in the food sector and 1,300 in clothing.

Looking ahead to 1984 the IDA estimate that output should grow again by 6-7 per cent and industrial exports by 15 per cent and, for the first time in four years, private consumer spending is set to show an increase. Investment activity is also expected to show an increase in 1984 and various measures taken by the Government will give further impetus to such investment.

The Shannon Free Airport Development Company plans to continue their job creation drive in 1984. As part of a major review of all of the company's main activities, new directions and strategies are being formulated by the company which will chart the course of development of the estate for the next couple of years. In the current year, however, the company will be concentrating a significant part of their resources on the conversion into actual jobs on the ground of projects which were approved in 1982 and 1983 and which are now at a start-up stage. The company see as one of their major objectives in 1984 the creation of a net growth in actual jobs on the Shannon industrial estate.

Under the company's small indigenous industry programme which has been running successfully now since 1978, the company have two key objectives. One is the creation of jobs and the encouragement of existing small industries to expand and create new job opportunities. The second key objective is to increase the number of exporting firms in the small industry area, thus ensuring that any expansion in these industries will be based on high quality export-oriented products which have the capacity to sustain jobs in the years to come.

The Shannon Development Company's Innovation Centre has increased its capacity to house nursery industries which are in the course of developing new products, and this additional space will ensure a larger output of new high quality export oriented firms from the centre in the current and future years. The services and advice available in the innovation centre are now available throughout the country through IDA offices and other national agencies.

I will now deal in more detail with export promotion. If Ireland is to take advantage of the open international trading system we must have faith in our ability to compete with what is best from other countries not just on price but also on quality, design, delivery dates and after-sales service. It is clear that there is no turning back to the protectionist policies of the past. The increased volume of our output, which far exceeds the capacity of the home market to absorb it, the growing size of our labour force and the need to find new outlets to absorb increases in our output, rules out a policy of protection. Our future clearly lies in having equality of access to the shop shelves of the world where the world consumer, who is always right in this case, can choose for himself what is best.

Having successfully contributed to keeping the channels of world trade relatively free of restrictive and protectionist tendencies over the past year, I am pleased to say that Irish exporters have been equally successful in exploiting the opportunities for exporting their goods and services to the markets of the world. They were, of course, assisted by a number of factors in 1983.

Possibly the most encouraging was the continued economic recovery in North America, Japan and to a lesser extent in the United Kingdom, and the way in which this recovery has been maintained and is now spreading to continental Europe. Consumer demand is now beginning to rise and world output is expected to grow in 1984. Despite this, 1983 was still a difficult year for Irish firms striving to retain competitiveness. In spite of these difficulties, total exports rose by an impressive 22 per cent to produce a new record for exports. This was a truly creditable performance and outstrips the showing of many other industralised countries. The performance gives us confidence for the future and shows what management and workers in exporting firms can achieve. Manufacturing industry accounted for 62.5 per cent of our exports in 1983 and within this sector the main impetus came from machinery, transport equipment and chemicals. Exports of live animals and food, drink and tobacco accounted for the 13 per cent increase over 1982.

Exports have contributed enormously to reducing our balance of trade in 1983. The Government through their financial policies have brought inflation under control and interest rates have been pulled down from the high peaks of a few years ago. Many reputable commentators are now saying that we have reached the turning point and that the stage is being set for a period of recovery with exports leading the way. Whichever view one may take of the short to medium term economic prospects, there is no doubt but that our export growth is still developing at an impressive rate. At the end of 1983, CTT forecast an increase of 11 per cent by volume for exports in 1984. CTT, on the basis of the latest trade statistics, now estimate that total exports will increase in value by 23 per cent with a volume increase of 13.5 per cent. This is an improvement on their prediction at the end of 1983.

While the White Paper will reflect the new dimension and direction which the Government propose to give to exports, there will, of course, continue to be an ongoing need for the present range of advice, support and services offered by CTT and adapted as appropriate to changing circumstances. We are thus in a somewhat transitional state at present. This year the Government have allocated some £17.96 million to CTT. In keeping with the new thrust of policy, there will be a need for greater selectivity to ensure that these scarce funds are being spent to maximum advantage.

There is, of course, an ongoing need in all areas of Exchequer spending to ensure that the range of programmes fully reflects the priority needs, and nowhere is this more important than in the exports area. Last year, my predecessor established a high level group comprising representatives of my Department and CTT to review policy and programmes. This group have been working on the critical question of targeting and measurement, establishing criteria for measuring the effectiveness of the board's various schemes and programmes and generally measuring the contribution which CTT make to the national export drive. To assist it in its work the high level group recently decided to acquire the services of an analyst. I believe it is indispensable that all our State agencies periodically stand back from the fray and that there is a critical review of what they are about and the means by which they set about implementing policy and achieving objectives. Meanwhile the main goal of CTT's export promotion programme for 1984 is order winning promotions that will generate immediate or medium term business for Irish companies. To achieve this Córas Tráchtála will provide national stands at 19 trade fairs across the world. CTT trade missions will go to South East Asia including Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore and also to Australia, Japan and the Far East, while store promotions will take place in many cities around the world from Macys in New York to Meyers in Berlin.

CTT with my full encouragement will also continue their employment support schemes in 1984. Started back in 1981, this scheme involves the training of specialist export marketing personnel, and it has been applied to selected companies for which it is envisaged that the sales executives will make a significant contribution to increase exports.

This employment support scheme is very important because it has enabled a number of companies who normally could not afford the services of a sales representative to acquire one initially at a relatively modest cost. The problem with smaller companies is that, very often, one person is responsible for production and sales and usually sales suffer because the person in charge is skilled in the production area. This scheme enables that deficiency in smaller firms to be remedied.

This year CTT have earmarked £400,000 for the employment support scheme and it is envisaged that this will result in an additional 38 marketing executives being placed in overseas markets. I sincerely hope I will be able to obtain more money for this next year.

The Institute for Industrial Research and Standards will be required to play a major role in helping firms to upgrade their product and production processes and thereby compete effectively on international markets. A major review of the role and functions of the institute has been carried out by the National Board for Science and Technology.

This review has helped in the process of identifying the strategies needed to be adopted by the institute to meet the difficult market conditions for indigenous firms. Heretofore, the institute have tended to provide a relatively passive service to industry providing, on request, testing, analysis and technical information. In future, the institute will be expected to assume a much more active developmental role. They will work closely with the other State development agencies — most notably IDA and CTT. Emphasis will be placed on seeking out those companies and industry sectors where product and process improvements will help significantly in competing internationally.

I envisage IIRS staff being located in some of the foreign offices of bodies like the IDA and CTT where their technical expertise could be used to assist in the importation of technology from abroad which they will be qualified to recognise as valuable. The institute will need to ensure that all opportunities for technology transfer through licensing arrangements with foreign firms are fully availed of.

The House will be aware of the major cost overrun which took place in the construction of the administration-information technology building in Ballymun for the IIRS. I have already made a detailed statement on this matter to the House. It is an unfortunate occurrence and does not reflect well on our foremost technical services institute.

The capital allocation of £1.71 million to the institute for 1984 includes £1.474 million which is necessary to complete the building. Without this allocation, the second phase of the building would have remained unusable.

Deputies are aware of the strenuous efforts made by the Government and the IDA to find a viable industrial project for Clondalkin Paper Mills. The agreement between myself, IDA and Freedman McCormack Investments International (FMI) providing for a paper-conversion project at the mills, was concluded in November 1983, following a great deal of intensive negotiation and evaluation. The company also intends to progress to paper-making and they have been given an option on the mills for this purpose, on condition that they satisfy the IDA on the viability of the undertaking. I have had carried out the renovation of the part of the premises which is being leased to the promoters of the new project and operations have now commenced at the mills.

The provision in my Department's 1984 Estimates in respect of Clondalkin is £190,000. However, significant additional expenditure was required following the Government's decision in respect of FMI. Total expenditure in 1984 is now estimated at £498,000.

This expenditure relates to my commitment, as part of the agreement, to meet the cost of the necessary renovations to the leased area of the mills as well as other substantial expenditure on the care, maintenance and security of the plant.

The Irish Film Board have been in operation for just two and a half years now and in that short time have made quite a significant contribution to the development of an Irish film industry. Since their inception in August 1981, the Film Board have financially assisted the production of some 14 films, all of which have now been completed and released. Some of these films (for example, "Angel", "Attracta" and "The Country Girls") have received considerable acclaim in Ireland and in other countries. I am hopeful that this can be followed up with commercial success in the coming years and that there can be a positive return on the State's investment in the industry. Critical acclaim will not satisfy me, we must also have profits from these films.

The original motivation for setting up the National Board for Science and Technology was the fragmentation of the national effort in science and technology and the realisation that, if there were to be an effective contribution to national development from this quarter, a more structured and better organised system was necessary. Toward this end, and in addition to their co-ordination and promotional functions, the NBST were particularly given the role of advising Government and of being a source of detached and informed technical advice, which would not otherwise be available.

I appointed a new board of directors to the NBST last December. The aim of the board which is representative of industry, higher education and the public sector has the mandate to give new impetus to the activities of the NBST and to ensure that they contribute to our industrial development drive. The new board are working very effectively and the increased emphasis which was placed on having industrialists on the board has been a success.

I would like to say a few words about the science budget. The science budget mechanism derived from an original proposal to have a central body with the responsibility for allocating all resources for science and technology in the public sector. Because this concept did not receive general acceptance, it was decided, and this was endorsed in this House in the NBST Statute, that there should be a science budget mechanism which would comprise a technical-based input of recommendations into the consideration and approval of the annual Estimates. In practice, this mechanism has not, so far, achieved the result expected of it. This has happened for several reasons, particularly because of the constriction of the time now available in each financial year for the detailed consideration of Estimates. I have, therefore, directed the NBST to adopt a new approach to this mechanism under which they will make broader based recommendations in advance of detailed Estimate proposals.

The basic problem with the NBST's science budget process in the past was that it consisted of saying what should be done after the event. It is an entirely fruitless exercise to tell people where they were wrong. I have changed the science budget process now so that they will be making suggestions in advance to the Government before Estimates are finalised about what might be done in the future rather than what should have been done in the past. This is a logical change in the science budget process and will mean that what has hitherto been largely a waste of time will now be worth while.

The old scientific research grant scheme of the NBST has now been split into two new elements. The first of these is a scientific research programme intended to promote excellence in scientific research and to promote the retention and attraction of high quality personnel and to enable Ireland to be involved in the forefront of scientific research in a limited number of areas. The second element is now the strategic research programme. The object of this programme is to promote the development of a competitive advantage for our industry in the medium term. Projects under this programme are intended to cover pre-competitive research or the development of a particular technology relevant to a group of companies or sector or the further understanding and development of a national resource. Scientific and technological infrastructure is a basic essential element in industrial development. It is in consequence of the determination of the Government to provide this infrastructure that a major effort was initiated to develop the National Microelectronics Research Centre.

In this short period since the centre's establishment in Cork it has attracted substantial business in the form of contract research work, not only from Irish based firms and research organisations but also from abroad.

In insurance, the significant event of the past year was the enactment of the Insurance (No. 2) Act, 1983 in October, 1983. The main purpose of that Act was to amend existing insurance legislation by adding to the range of actions which can be taken by the Minister to deal with situations arising in the event of uncertain solvency of non-life insurance undertakings. In particular, it provides an option which avoids the automatic and disastrous consequences of winding-up and creates an environment which can allow an insurer to be restored to a sound financial position. The High Court subsequently appointed an administrator to the PMPA Insurance Company Limited on the application of the then Minister. I think it appropriate to recall the insurance industry's comment at the time, that the action taken contributed to the security of policyholders and insurers. While the administration is proceeding satisfactorily, it is obvious that it will be quite some time before the PMPA's business is placed on a secure financial footing.

I am conscious of the concern being expressed regarding motor insurance and young drivers. Young drivers are, as evidenced by their extremely high accident and claims rate vis-à-vis older drivers, a greater risk and the premium charged must reflect that factor. The Motor Premiums Advisory Committee — a committee set up some years ago to examine such matters as loadings on age or other grounds — have indicated in their reports that the loadings applied to young drivers broadly reflect the additional risk young drivers represent. The question of loadings will, however, be further examined by a new representative board to be set up on motor insurance, which will take account of the valuable work of the earlier committee.

Another area which I will be addressing during this year is that of the regulation of the activities of insurance intermediaries. My Department recently re-examined the question of the regulation of insurance brokers, and the general outlines of four possible methods of regulation were given recently by the Minister of State and the various interested parties were asked for comments. I am accordingly awaiting the response of the bodies involved. I believe that insurance companies which accept business from intermediaries also have a role to play. Insurers should, at the very least, satisfy themselves as to the financial security and the professionalism of intermediaries with whom they do business.

On the question of legislative changes generally, in March of this year I made regulations to give effect to the 1979 EEC First Life Directive. These regulations will, I have no doubt, lead to increasing participation in the life insurance markets by new entrants, a situation which has already occurred in the non-life insurance market. Since the implementation into Irish law of the First EEC Non-Life Directive, some 18 additional companies have been authorised to transact non-life business. In fact in anticipation of the Life Regulations some five companies have already applied for, and received, licences to transact life assurance business.

I intend to introduce, later in the year, a general insurance Bill. This Bill is designed to consolidate my powers generally and will put at my disposal the legislative powers necessary to exercise the supervision required in today's insurance market.

There have already been indications of the intention to continue with the business of the amendment of company law particularly in relation to the management and direction of limited liability companies. The circumstances surrounding many corporate insolvencies in recent years have led to demands for restricting or abolishing limited liability status.

I do not believe that the abolition of the concept of limited liability would be in the best interest of our continuing industrial development. Business development in the Western world generally has taken place on the basis of limited liability companies. Moreover to expose every entrepreneur to the risk of losing all his personal assets in the event of the failure of his company for reasons outside his own control would certainly deter, or have an inhibiting effect, on business initiative. Any measure which would produce such an effect would be highly undesirable particularly at this time in my view.

At the same time, there can be no doubt that the privilege of limited liability has been abused by unscrupulous directors and managers, and this has led to widespread financial loss to creditors and employees who are thrown out of work. The Government are committed in their joint programme to curbing such abuses. That is the objective of a substantial Bill which I am now examining carefully. I am having full regard to the many submissions which have been made to me by the various interested parties. This is a measure of major importance which will, I believe, improve the business environment generally, control in a practical way the conduct of the affairs of companies, and help towards the elimination of malpractice in the management and direction of companies.

I see the promotion of this legislation as an integral part of the programme for future economic development. I will, shortly, be seeking Government approval for the formal drafting of these proposals.

There are a number of other important issues in the company law area which are receiving my attention. One such is the Fourth EEC Company Law Directive which is to harmonise the rules in all member states in relation to the preparation, publication and auditing of the individual accounts of public and private limited companies. Implementation of this very technical measure will have a major impact both by significantly increasing the level of detailed disclosure required in accounts and particularly because it will remove the present exemption whereby private limited companies are not required to publish their accounts. There are however, a number of optional provisions contained in the Directive which would allow individual member states to vary its full impact. I am hopeful that I will be able to bring forward the necessary implementing legislation early in the autumn session of the Dáil.

My Department are also preparing a measure to give effect to three EEC Directives relating to the Stock Exchange. These deal with admission of securities to official listing, prospectuses for listed securities and interim reports furnished by listed companies. I expect to sign shortly a statutory instrument giving effect to these EEC Directives.

Before leaving the area of Company Law, I would like to refer briefly to the Companies Registration Office. The changes which have occurred in company law legislation and those measures which I have outlined as being in the pipeline have a dramatic impact on the workload of the office. This is particularly evidenced by the fact that there are now well in excess of 70,000 companies on the register compared with approximately 30,000 ten years ago. I am aware of and can appreciate the frustrations experienced by members of the public at the delays which have occurred in their dealings with the Companies Registration Office. However, I am pleased to state that steps to resolve these problems are well under way.

A mechanisation strategy has been decided on which is a combination of computerisation, micro-film techniques and other ancillary office equipment. Some of the ancillary equipment has already been installed and a contract for the supply of computer equipment has been signed. The installation of the computer is scheduled to take place in July. While the process of conversion to a computerised system will hardly be concluded before the end of 1985, it is expected that significant improvements in the level of service to the public and in the enforcement of the Acts will be achieved much sooner.

In the area of competition policy I have arranged for the Restrictive Practices Commission to carry out a series of studies under section 12 of the Restrictive Practices Act, 1972 into the professions with special reference to entry barriers and other practices operated by them. The main object of this exercise is to tackle undesirable practices which give rise to increased costs to consumers of the different services. The Restrictive Practices Commission has in the past from my experience working with it as a Minister of State, and now as a Minister, tended to have peaks and valleys in its work, and in the valleys its resources were not being used to a great extent. Since 1977 I have felt that the Commission should be given a general mandate to pursue a particular area of activity on an ongoing basis, and that would more than fill any time it would have available to it between specific studies that might be referred to it by the Examiner. I have felt that the most appropriate area it should have such a general mandate on is that of the professions.

There is no doubt that professional charges are very high, that the professions themselves largely control the entry of people to their professions and hence can indirectly have an influence on the likely level of incomes and charges operating within the professions and on costs in the economy generally. This is in a sense inherent to the nature of a profession. It is very important that there should be a means of guaranteeing the public interest in regard to the activities of the professions, and this is precisely the role which the Restrictive Practices Commission can effectively discharge. That is why I have given this general mandate to inquire into the professions.

The choice of profession for first study will be a matter for the commission. I do not propose to direct them to deal with lawyers or any particular group. Naturally the commission will be prepared to take account of representations, and if Deputies have any views about professional practices which ought to be examined I would advise them to write to the Restrictive Practices Commission, who will now be in a position to respond.

I have already announced publicly my intention to strengthen the Restrictive Practices Commission and to merge the activities of the Examiner and those of the Commission. I hope to bring forward legislation to this end early in the next session.

The other major area of competition legislation for which I have responsibility is the Mergers, Take-overs and Monopolies (Control) Act, 1978. I will shortly be presenting to the Oireachtas the annual report under this legislation which will contain information on the number of cases examined under the legislation during 1983. I understand that the report will show an increase in the number of cases notified to my Department. However, the number of cases where the Act applied showed a reduction, which I believe reflects the continuing difficult trading conditions under which businesses have to operate at present. Also the number of merger proposals which could be broadly described as rescue cases continues to be a large proportion of the total figure.

Deputies will be aware that the Copyright (Amendment) Bill, 1984, which is before the Oireachtas provides for increased penalties for breaches of copyright. The increased penalties, coupled with the existing provisions in copyright legislation for search and seizure of infringing articles, will go a long way to meet the problems being caused, particularly for cinemas, film distributors and legitimate video dealers by the operations of video pirates.

I would like to turn now to consumer protection. One of the proposals which was discussed at all three consumer Councils was the draft Directive on Product Liability. This directive would impose strict liability irrespective of fault on a producer of a product in respect of injury caused by a defect in the product. In general, the injured party would simply have to prove the defect, the damage and the casual relationship between the two. The directive would give an important and additional form of protection to consumers as liability would be created whether or not the manufacturer was negligent, though some defences would be available to the manufacturer. The directive has important ramifications for manufacturers and for the insurance industry, and partly as a result of this progress has been slow and there is still some way to go before the draft directive is finally agreed. However considerable progress has been made. All member states accept the principle of strict liability on which the directive would be founded and I believe that the directive will be agreed within the not-too-distant future.

The proposal for a directive on doorstep sales was also considered by the consumer council, but there continues to be opposition to this from one member state.

An important proposal on which discussion is likely to resume during our Presidency is that for a directive on consumer credit. The Commission have now drawn up a revised proposal on this issue, in the light of the opinion of the European Parliament which was issued last July. In times of recession, there is, understandably, strong opposition from industry to having additional burdens placed upon them.

In 1983 regulations were made bringing the remaining elements of the EEC Food Labelling Directive into force with effect from 1 December 1983. The effect of the regulations has been to provide consumers with a considerable amount of important information about the food they buy — ingredient lists, date-marks and quantity declarations must, among other details, now be given on most foodstuffs.

I would also mention here the regulations which were made on 1 December 1983 and which give effect to an EEC directive relating to the indication of the prices on foodstuffs. These regulations, which came into effect on 1 June 1984, require, in broad terms, that the selling price and, in certain instances, the unit price, that is the price per unit of weight or measure, of all foodstuffs be displayed.

This information allied to the reduction in the number of sizes of various prepackaged products, including foodstuffs, should make it easier for an intending purchaser to compare the value of various products on a comparative price/weight/volume basis. Indeed these developments, together with the requirements under the previously mentioned food labelling regulations to disclose the pertinent characteristics of foodstuffs, mark a major step forward in protecting the consumer's economic interests.

Finally, on 8 November 1983 Ireland acceded to the Convention on the Control and Marking of Articles of Precious Metals. The Hallmarking Act, 1981 was introduced to enable this to be done and was brought into effect on the same day in November 1983. The advantage of accession is that Irish traders in precious metals will be able to compete favourably in the markets of other contracting states, including the UK which is the most important market for Irish exporters.

Plans to make certain regulations and orders under domestic consumer protection legislation have been mentioned before so I will only refer to them briefly here. In the near future I plan to make regulations under the Prices Act which will require comprehensive price displays to be shown by catering establishments.

The Dáil today approved a draft order under the Consumer Information Act which will require those who sell in the course of a business, trade or profession to disclose their legal status in advertisements. The aim of this is to ensure that business sellers do not attempt to avoid their legal liabilities by posing as private sellers.

The Dáil also approved today a further draft order under the Consumer Information Act relating to the marking of certain goods.

As indicated to the House previously, certain aspects of consumer credit are under examination within my Department. I am particularly concerned about the practice of showing flat-rate interest levels in advertisements, and it is my intention to have measures taken to deal with the question at an early date. Preliminary discussion has already taken place between my Department and a number of interested parties.

On the subject of prices, the downward trend in the rate of inflation was maintained over the past year. In 1983, the rate of increase in Irish consumer prices averaged 10.4 per cent compared with 17.1 per cent during 1982. Indeed, the underlying rate of inflation, which excludes the effects of indirect tax increases, was around 7 per cent, despite the effective devaluation of the Irish punt in March 1983. Indications for the coming year are for a continuation of this downward trend, and since the indirect tax increases in the January 1984 budget has added less than 1 per cent to the annual rate of inflation, there are very real possibilities for reducing our rate of inflation to EEC average levels, provided that every effort is made to reduce costs and improve efficiency.

To achieve this, the NPC will continue to apply strict criteria in relation to the level of materials, overheads and labour costs that can be allowed to firms seeking price increases. In the case of labour costs it has been evident that some firms in the sheltered sector settled for wage increases that were excessive. While market forces in the case of these goods and services may not have been a sufficiently inhibiting factor for them, the exercise of price control ensured that these excessive wage costs were not reflected in consumer prices and these excess costs had to be absorbed out of profit, increased productivity or by other cost-cutting measures.

It is an essential element of our future cost competitiveness that the level of price increases in Ireland should be maintained at or below the levels experienced by our competitors. The impact of price increases is felt not only by the ordinary consumer but also by industry. Inordinate price increases could not only lead to greater wage demands but could also affect industrial costs directly through excessive service charges, energy and raw material costs. If Irish industry is to maintain and develop its markets at home and abroad the greatest moderation in domestic cost increases is essential. The level of domestically generated costs for materials and services will be given full attention to ensure that the traded sectors of industry are not hindered by excessive costs.

The level of oil prices here has for some time been the subject of critical comment. In the past week, on the advice of the National Prices Commission, I have introduced changes in the price control system applied to oil products which are designed to create a more flexible and transparent system, assist consumer awareness and encourage competition. The main effect of the changes introduced is that the maximum prices fixed by Order now reflect more closely international market prices and will in the future move more closely in line with prices in other EEC markets. This will avoid situations which occurred at times in the more recent past when Irish prices remained excessively above those prevailing elsewhere.

I will now turn to the subject of tourism. The Government this year in recognition of the importance it attaches to tourism and, in particular, to the primary and essential promotional role of Bord Fáilte have allocated the sum of £22.45 million for tourism promotion. This allocation represents the highest amount ever provided for this purpose and is an increase of over £1.5 million on the corresponding provision for 1983. The figure I mention includes the additional £300,000 specially provided in the budget for marketing in the United States which was seen to offer the prospect of very real growth in the current year. I am very pleased to inform the House that the Government's decision to put greater emphasis on promotion is proving to have been well founded; early indications would suggest that the Bord Fáilte target of a 3-5 per cent increase in export tourism business will be achieved and, perhaps, exceeded this year.

Looking ahead, I will be anxious to see still more resources in real terms being channelled into export tourism promotion. This, in my view, should be the priority area for expenditure in so far as future Government spending on tourism is concerned. Minister of State Moynihan will be speaking later and will deal further with this matter.

While I have attempted to cover as extensively as time permits most of the principal activities within my remit, there may be some matters on which Deputies would wish to ask for further information. I will be glad to deal with these during the course of the debate. I recommend this Estimate to the House.

Sitting suspended at 5.45 p.m. and resumed at 6.15 p.m.

I must compliment the Minister on his stamina in getting through 76 pages before the break. Certainly it was not all that inspiring.

At this stage of their being mid-term in Government the Estimate for Industry, Trade, Commerce and Tourism affords me and my colleagues an opportunity of examining the record of Government action, or perhaps it should be said, Government inaction. Indeed I do not think the Minister himself had the appetite for much of the 76 pages he delivered because it clearly indicated exactly what I have been saying on many occasions, that this is a Government of all talk and no action. Today we had 76 pages of that with very little content of any news in relation to the economy, the unemployed or indeed in relation to the overall economic activity for which this Minister is responsible. My colleague, Deputy Flynn, will be dealing with the trade, commerce and tourism aspects of this Estimate. Therefore I shall confine myself to the industrial aspect and all that that entails.

This is an appropriate opportunity for us to examine the record of the present Minister, of the Government, in the very significant area of industrial employment and job creation.

The starting point must be to examine what this Government said in their Programme for Government when they came in about this vital area which they recognised as one of the major problems facing the new Government, and what they have done about it since then. It is all summed up in one sentence in the Programme for Government in which they stated clearly and unequivocally that they would halt and reverse the growth of unemployment. I do not have to go into the statistics of what has happened about unemployment since this Government came into power. Roughly 50,000 more people are unemployed since then. Without being facetious, it is true to say that the only answer that the present Government have to offer in this area is a return to emigration.

It is not possible with statistics as they are put together to quantify exactly how many people have left this country recently, in the last six or nine months, but there has been a very considerable outflow of young people who see no hope of a future for themselves or their families here. That is the greatest indictment of Government policy since they came to power and now they are nearly in mid-term. Some commentators would say at this stage that it could be different from mid-term, it could be nearing an end, and with the stresses and strains that have been appearing in Government recently that is not an unfair comment. I heard one observer saying recently that for the first 18 months rigor mortis had set in but now decomposition is beginning to take place.

Action is what Government is all about. Governments are elected to govern the country, to take necessary and harsh decisions if they must be taken to arrest the problems and produce the policies that will solve them. We have heard plenty of talk from them here today but we have not seen any action. In this second last day of another Dáil term we still have not an industrial policy. We have heard that we will get it next month. Maybe we will and I hope we will. I am now going to go into my contribution on industrial policy. A year ago the Minister when presenting his Estimate to this House asked for a constructive contribution towards the formation of industrial policy which, as we all know, began over two years ago and still has not seen the light of day. We had a first leaked version, then that was withdrawn. Then we had a second leaked version which was withdrawn. The Sunday after the result of the European elections were coming on stream we had a third leaked version.

Is the Deputy inferring that the Government had anything to do with the leak? I assure him that that was not the case.

I can refer the Minister to his comments on the leak on the front page of the Sunday Independent. He did not have to comment on the content——

I assure the Deputy that I would not have anything to do with leaks. I do not believe it is a proper way to conduct business. I regret that the leak occurred.

Does the Minister accept that there have been three leaks?

There have been leaks on industrial policy under various Governments. I would not accept any responsibility——

With all due respects, I did not interrupt the Minister and he talked for about an hour and a quarter.

The Deputy is making personal references——

The Minister should not try to cod anybody in this House by saying that there have not been leaks of industrial policy by this Government, There have been three leaks from the present Government. It appears that when a problem arises on a different front we get a leak of industrial policy on it. The Minister should talk to his handlers about this, because they handle media management for him. In three different national newspapers on that Sunday we had three different leaks to cover the problems that existed that weekend, and understandably so, but for Heaven's sake do not make a virtue out of trying to convince the people that that was not so. This has been the Government of more leaks than I ever remember. I am not pointing the finger at the Minister, but out of this Government collectively many leaks have come and three of them have been on industrial policy. We are into the second last day of this Dáil session and we have not got an industrial policy. We have not a strategy for job creation or an IDA strategic policy, yet when I was leaving the Department a strategic plan by the IDA had already been completed in the offices of the IDA ready to be submitted to the Department in November 1982. This is the middle of 1984 and we have no strategic plan for the IDA. On the Minister's own admission at Question Time recently the IDA have not got a regional development policy. In their last regional development policy their targets for each region were set out for 1978 to 1982. We are going into the second half of 1984 and we have not an IDA regional policy for that period. I put it to the Minister that this is clear evidence of the inactivity, the paralysis of thought and action in this Government. That is the record of their performance that I have to point to here this evening.

That Programme for Government made great fanfare about the National Development Corporation. It was to be the answer to all our ills. All we have heard about the National Development Corporation since then was a double announcement of it. We had an announcement of it from the Minister himself on the eve of the address of the Minister for Energy to the Labour Party and the following morning we had the same announcement again. That is the politics of Coalition Governments, and that is their business. However, there is no sign of this National Development Corporation. We had a resume today of what might be involved in it and if I can find it I will read it out. I can remember it clearly anyhow. For every item on that resumé the National Enterprise Agency can do the job. They have the terms of reference to do the job. They are doing a good job at the moment, and I thank the Minister for his invitation to go out and visit them, which I did last week. I must say that I was very impressed at the way they have gone about their business——

Hear, hear.

——with the groundwork they have done, with the projects they are involved in. They are into a new area of international services on the medical side for which they should be complimented.

Hear, hear.

However, the Minister will admit that they are strangled. They do not know what they will be doing next month. They do not know whether they will be in their jobs next year. You cannot hope to have any organisation motivated if they do not know where the Government are going in the following month or year. The acting chief executive is on a year's contract basis and probably his time is nearly up. How can that man motivate himself into doing a job? How can anybody else involved in it do so? They do not know where they will fit in.

I wish to correct the record in so far as the National Enterprise Agency are concerned. When I was leaving the Department interviewing was in progress for the post of chief executive of the agency. The list had been narrowed to three. The Minister must not try to deny that. I have a good memory and that was in November 1982. The reason there was no movement on that appointment in the year before was because the then Coalition said the agency would be replaced with a national development corporation. It was after our return to office that I, as Minister, reactivated the agency and they were doing well until the Government changed again. Such organisations are the ones who must pay for quick changes of Government. The National Enterprise Agency are capable of doing everything the Minister wishes the National Development Corporation to do but they are not being told when the latter are to come into operation. The agency should not be left to operate in a vacuum.

We heard a good deal about the Cabinet Task Force on Employment. That was supposed to be another major move forward by the Government but we have not heard of any recommendations from that task force so far. Are they doing anything? Is it any wonder that the Coalition are being referred to as a Government of task forces, committees and consultants? These are no substitute for Government policies and decisions but the people realise the position. They know that the Government are not aware of where they are going and, as is said in my part of the country, when you do not know where you are going, any road will get you there. That sums up the performance of the Government. Although the development of our national resources is talked about in a vague way there is no plan in that regard. That was supposed to form part of the work of the National Development Corporation but we do not know if that corporation will ever see the light of day. It was mentioned first in the seventies and after so many years later perhaps it is too much to hope that the corporation will come on stream.

The Minister is aware of the many areas in which no action is being taken. There is no point in the pious aspirations expounded in the 76 page document he has put before us. The prerequisite for the success of any industrial policy is a proper industrial investment. The Minister knows that the climate has never been worse than it has been in the year 1983-84. In all economies the level and pattern of industrial activity in development is affected in a fundamental way by economic policy and by Government policy as a whole. Unless the prerequisite exists, no effort the Minister makes will be of any benefit.

The question of taxation is as vital a component of industrial policy as is anything that may appear in the White Paper we have been hearing about. Our taxation policy is a complete disincentive to investment. It is a total disincentive also in terms of employing people. The level of taxation which has become such an intolerable burden on the work force is making them angry and antagonistic towards the institutions of the State. Workers see no fruits by way of reward for their work. Too much is being taken from their wage packets. In the recent election campaign the biggest issue was the intolerable level of taxation and the disincentive effects of that both on investment and on employment.

The Government must grapple first with the problems they announced as their priority on coming into office. Reducing capital expenditure and increasing current expenditure is to deal with the problem in reverse. The more difficult decisions have to be taken in the reduction of current expenditure while the Government take the easy way out. The economy is going further down the drain each day.

We must first create a climate in which those prepared to take risks can flourish, where hard work is rewarded and where profit is not regarded as a dirty word. And profit has become a dirty word as a result of the envy that has built up in society in that regard. We must restore profit to its rightful place both in the public and private sectors because the public sector, too, are entitled to profits which they can reinvest. Some of the people in Government are not doing any service to the development of the proper recognition of profit in society when they talk in an ill-informed way about the banks' contribution to the overall development of the economy. I would go part of the way in saying that we would like to see the banks play a more dynamic role in the development of our economy but we would not go so far as to create some unease in relation to international investment.

There are other elements, too, in the overall policy of the Government which are a total disincentive to investment. One can argue the merits or otherwise of the introduction of accelerated corporation tax. I am not against it in principle.

The Deputy may not discuss taxation at length on this Bill.

For one-and-a-quarter hours we got along fine. We had a cup of tea and since then we have been doing all right, too.

Perhaps if there were no Order of Business and no Chair the Deputy would get along all right, too.

I am not saying that.

In fairness to Deputy Reynolds, I referred in passing to taxation.

A passing reference is one matter but the Deputy is making a meal of the taxation question.

I am only setting out what the basic prerequisite is for industrial policy. I am not trying to move away from the Bill. I shall conclude on taxation by saying that it has always been my belief that profit is necessary and that today's profit is tomorrow's capital. People who do not realise that are only fooling themselves.

The Minister must have been the overseer of the worst period this country has ever known in terms of job creation. There are now about 11,000 fewer people employed in industry than was the case ten years ago. Between 60,000 and 70,000 young people are in the process of taking their examinations and they are looking to this House and in particular to those who have taken on the responsibility of Government to get some indication of what their future might be. Too much time has been spent in this House in trying to lay the blame elsewhere. That is very childish behaviour. We must grow up and realise that problems must be solved. I am sick and tired listening to that every time there is a debate in the House. I do not intend to go into the pros and cons because if we examine the record for the last ten years it would properly come out even-steven.

The people are disillusioned and despairing. The Government do not give them any direction. Until we see some action from all the task forces, committees and so on that have been set up, the people will become more cynical about the House and its Members. We are probably the lowest form of profession in the eyes of the public. It is time we adopted a realistic approach.

This time last year I gave the Minister what I thought was an in-depth view of what should be included in industrial policy. I spoke extensively about the idea of venture capital. I compliment the Government for taking in that measure. It will redirect investment which was going into bricks and mortar and it will better serve the economy by being channelled into the venture capital programme. I hope the terms are not too restrictive. Sometimes when we bring in such schemes we are inclined to be over-restrictive and close every possible loophole. We end up killing the scheme before it even starts. I hope that will not happen in this case. It is modelled to a large extent on the British system. The British system was probably too wide in the beginning. The loopholes were gradually closed and the system was reasonably successful. I hope this system will be just as successful.

The Opposition have been criticised many times for not coming forward with constructive ideas which the Government could look at. Before I left the Department we set up an import substitution unit. That has good potential. It is a tough job which will have to be done by a tough man. I left behind me a monthly reporting system which had been used in British Government circles about purchasing in State and semi-State areas. In Ireland the amount of purchasing power that rests with State and semi-State agencies could be legitimately channelled under EEC rules to Irish manufacturers. Many purchasing officers in those agencies are content to do business with the same suppliers. In many cases the goods do not originate in this country but come in through Irish agents under an Irish agency label. It is time we all did our bit to ensure that, where the product is as good as what can be imported, it will be used. We must ensure that every possible supplier in the Irish industrial field is given access to requirements for the public sector. That is the only way they can gear themselves to supply the goods. We have been reticent about giving out this information. An open door policy should be adopted to Irish suppliers to give them every chance to tender for supplies in the State and semi-State areas. That does not happen. I do not know if the Minister has the same experience in his clinics as I have in mine. Small and medium-sized industrialists come to me and say they find it very difficult to get any information.

I am very concerned to hear that and would appreciate it if the Deputy could give me the names of the companies. I have taken special care to try to solve the problems the Deputy has mentioned.

We do not want to toss company names across the floor of the House but in many hospital developments I have come across in recent times, consultants, engineers and architects specify off-standard equipment, for example, in aluminium windows and ventilating equipment to coincide with the specification of a British product. Hospitals are notorious for it, why I do not know. I could instance the contract for the Mater Hospital in Dublin and others. I will give the names of the companies who failed to tender. I went to the architects and told them that this was not good enough. I wrote to the Minister for Health but no action was taken. It is very serious and they have been getting away with it for a long time. A directive should issue from Government Departments to ensure that a penalty is put on people who will not recognise that there are good Irish products on the market. I am not talking about inferior products but comparable products which are manufactured here.

I met a small supplier in Waterford this week. He had taken over a company from an international concern. He successfully marketed a substitute product in hospitals. He gave me a letter yesterday which indicated that the multinational company who supplied the product he had replaced had offered their product free for 12 months to the hospitals in an effort to get rid of this Irish supplier. That is how ruthless the game is. I have that letter in my office and will let the Minister see it. That is an example of how far multinationals are prepared to go to hold on to their share of the Irish market. We better sit up and make sure our people get an equal chance. The Irish supplier put the product together and displaced the multinational company on quality, price and service. They do not have the resources to stand up to this kind of tactic. I never heard of a company offering a product free for 12 months in order to displace an Irish product. There are many other areas in import substitution. However, they need the assistance of every sector and every Government Department and must be monitored with regard to progress. In my short experience in the Minister's Department, a programme will work for a while but without monitoring things will break down. When there are complaints, the penalties will have to be such that people will sit up and look after the matter.

The Minister talks about the upturn in the economy, based on the huge uplift in exports. He will agree that, basically, this upturn is from two major sectors — high technology electronics and pharmaceuticals and health care. To base economic recovery in this economy on their performance is to build a foundation on quicksand. Many other sectors show no signs of picking up. We also know that in high technology and health care it is the new industries which are progressing and there is an element of transfer in this. We must come to grips with the problems of the other sectors of industry.

The Minister mentioned the sectoral committees, but somebody will have to put a bomb under them. They are a long time in operation, with all due respects, and only one, as far as I can gather and correct me if I am wrong, has reported anything. Either they deliver, or disband them. The Minister must not shelter under the umbrella of those committees.

I can assure the Deputy that I am not.

The people on them may be busy, but they are too long around and have delivered nothing. It is time that they were disbanded.

Despatched is the word.

The Minister talked of another task force, that of junior Ministers in the food area and there is no question about it, it is a difficult area. He asked for ideas on how to come to grips with the difficulties. As the Minister knows, the development of the food industry and the new products which the marketplace of today requires is a long-term investment, heavily capitalised in many areas and with a slow return. This is an area for the National Enterprise Agency to examine, although they may be displaced by the National Development Corporation. There will have to be a joint venture of the private and public sectors where investment is so large and payback fairly slow. That is one of the major impediments, on the one hand. On the other hand, I agree with the Minister that we are far too much in the commodity selling business, especially in the beef trade, taking the lazy man's attitude of "Put them into intervention and work on the margin". While intervention served its purpose in the early seventies, it destroyed the initative to set up proper marketing.

Hear, hear.

There are good examples of it, but it was a very big barrier in that respect.

That is true also of the dairy sector.

The same thing applies to the dairy sector. That sector should have as good a potential and their set-up is not the same as private sector investment. They are happy to operate on a much lower return or margin on their investment for a long time, because of their co-operative status. The private sector area must repay to banks and so forth and that return might not be sufficient to finance their investment. In the co-operative area there is, indeed, great scope for product diversification.

I have said before and say again that we are production-orientated manufacturers and are not starting from the marketplace. We must realise that the customer, whether he be in Ireland, the UK, the EEC, the US or anywhere else, will not buy exactly what we produce but only what is to his own taste. That message cannot be driven home often enough and strongly enough. The opportunities in the convenience food area, because of the change in society and in taste, do not remain static. There is constant changing in taste in consumer supermarket orientation and the sooner we realise that the better.

It is not easy for certain industries here to take the jump from being suppliers to the home market trade into being suppliers to the export market. I have thought about this over the last few months and believe there is a direct functional involvement for Irish Industrial Research and Standards in their Product Food Division — and for some other agencies, perhaps NBST, in the processing area.

I do not expect them and the State to pay for the development of a product to be handed over to the private sector, an entrepreneur or an existing manufacturer. If the product is already developed, the research having been done whether by CTT or anyone else, there should be a share-the-risk and share-the-reward arrangement. There could be also a contracting out on a royalty basis to an existing manufacturer or entrepreneur. The State agencies have the talent to do this research. Small and medium sized companies, the backbone of our industries, do not have the resources. Very little research and development are going on in the country. The agencies can play a very positive role in product and process development and should be repaid. Banks will not give out money to market a new product, as the Minister rightly said. The universities and schools of technology could also be brought into this area to share their resources in product research and development.

The aim would be that the National Development Corporation would be taking over the NDA and going into the areas referred to.

I do not want to make little of the National Development Corporation, but the Minister and I are realists. He knows how long it will be before the National Development Corporation is functional.

The NDA are already doing this work.

Let them continue what they are doing and let the National Development Corporation, whenever they come along, do theirs. Even if the legislation were passed at the next session, the corporation would have to be set up, a board appointed, which would have to look for a chief executive; then the chief executive has to put his organisation together. One cannot expect results from the NDC or anybody else for the next couple of years and meanwhile unemployment figures will mount and we will not be seen to be doing anything positive about it.

Our traditional areas have been hit very hard by the recession, in particular the clothing and footwear industries. The only way they can survive is by adopting the new technologies in their own trade, to be seen in Italy, France, or anywhere on the Continent. I recently bought a pair of shoes in Switzers manufactured by an Irish firm, Padmore and Barnes of Kilkenny, who had the same problems as anyone else but did not sit and worry over them. Then went to Italy, got designers there, made a licensing arrangement with them and now they cannot produce enough of these excellent shoes. We want more of that enterprise and the same goes for the clothing area. We can be as good as anybody else. It is time the defeatist attitude was thrown aside. Get the right person with the right flair, give him the proper backing and he can do the job. Too many ask who is going to do the job for them. The public must see that the money which is there to be spent is spent to the benefit of development of industry, of products and of markets. That is our role. I agree with the Minister's remarks about marketing executives. They are very successful in the foreign markets and that is the right approach. I only hope it will continue and be intensified. We will never get some of the small firms to put a man in the market place. They could not afford it anyway.

The Minister talked about the enterprise scheme. I had occasion to tell the Minister for Labour in this House that there are bureaucratic blockages in the scheme where people come off the dole and set up their own business. To my knowledge they have not been removed. Three girls wanted to start a business and they could not get any help because one of them was not on the dole. Two of them were on the dole and one was not.

Mr. Bruton

Two of them could get a grant and the other cannot.

The three of them were involved in the one business.

Mr. Bruton

They could get two grants.

They were excluded because one of the three setting up the business was not on the dole. The Minister did not disagree. He said it needs to be changed.

Mr. Bruton

They could get two grants.

That sort of nitty-gritty bureaucratic nonsense is written into those schemes when we are trying to get people to do something. The Minister talked about a list of agencies. They mesmerise small people and small industries. They do not know where they are going. We must be more forthcoming and straightforward with people if we want them to do something, and not put bureaucratic blockages in their way. I know that when the Minister provides a scheme he has to look at how it is operating. When he finds there are blockages he should have them removed.

Mr. Bruton

Will the Deputy give me details of that enterprise?

I will be delighted to. I sent them to the Minister for Labour and I will send them to the Minister as well. I recall in September 1982 arriving at an arrangement with the Nixdorf computer people in Germany to set up a training unit on the industrial campus in Bray to train approximately 300 young people in a real work environment. I asked a few times in this House if that would be followed up, and I was assured that it would. Can the Minister tell me did it come to anything? If not, the blame lies with the bureaucratic nonsense which exists between one Department and another with people trying to guard their own little republican domains in the Departments while the national interest suffers.

There is too much of that around and it will have to be dealt with. The same goes for the semi-State bodies. The Minister referred to them and we had a debate on one earlier on. People are becoming extremely worried about the drain on revenue of the tax they pay. They are not convinced that they are getting value for money. It is up to us as managers and custodians of the taxpayers' money to see that they are.

When the White Paper comes out I will make a constructive contribution. I do not believe in destructive contributions. I hope there is vision in it. I hope there are new approaches in it. I hope the Minister is not shying away from the decisions which are so necessary for the development of industry and our whole economic development. I hope we will see more action before the next Estimate for the Department and that we will not have to listen again to 76 pages of nothing at the end of the day.

I want to take the opportunity of this Estimates debate to say a few words about the tourism industry and its prospects for future development.

Before coming into the House this evening, I had a look at the latest indications from Bord Fáilte as to how the present tourist season is going. While obviously, at this stage, the estimates of tourist traffic can only be taken as broad indications of this year's season as a whole, and extreme caution must be exercised in drawing conclusions, nevertheless, I must say that the overall picture is very, very encouraging.

From January to May, for example, there was an estimated increase of more than 4 per cent in overseas tourist numbers over the same period last year. At this stage, therefore, I am very confident that the Bord Fáilte target of an increase for the year of between 3 per cent and 5 per cent will be achieved. Individual market estimates for period January to May 1984 show — North America up 14 per cent, UK up 3 per cent, and Europe up 5 per cent — on the same period for 1983.

Indeed, I have been impressed in recent weeks, in talking to people in the industry around the country, by the general air of confidence which seems to be running through the industry. Hoteliers, restauranteurs, carriers, tour operators are all optimistic that 1984 will be a very good year for tourism and that the industry has well and truly turned the corner and can look forward to a bright future.

This air of optimism in Irish tourism is clearly reflected in the increased demand from the industry for trained staff. It is indeed encouraging to note that CERT has been able, without any difficulty, to find suitable employment for over 1,100 trainees leaving hotel and catering schools this year. This substantially increased demand for trained staff underlines, in my view, the growing air of confidence in tourism and the favourable visitor pattern emerging in the current season.

I am glad that this is the case, because tourism needs to operate in a positive atmosphere. It is that type of industry. Visitors to Ireland need to be greeted with a welcome and a smile and not with a frown. There is no place in tourism for the prophets of gloom and despondency. Some of the utterances of the so-called tourism experts, mostly ill-informed and in search of cheap sensational headlines, do little to further the cause of the industry they purport to represent and, in many cases, are the source of untold damage. The atmosphere that the industry itself creates is crucial to the image Ireland projects as a destination. Informed, constructive criticism is what is needed to create the right tourism product and the right atmosphere in which to market it.

This Government are very much aware of the economic importance of the tourism industry. Their policy is to assist in the development of the industry so that tourism increases its capability: to earn the foreign currency the country so badly needs, to provide and sustain much needed employment for our young population, and to contribute to regional development by stimulating commercial activity in the more remote areas.

The extent to which any Government can assist the tourism industry depends on the economic circumstances at any given time. A sound, healthy domestic economy is a vital necessity for all our export industries, including tourism, and this is something which the Government, in their relatively short period in office, have taken giant strides towards establishing.

Competitiveness is, and has been for a number of years, the major problem facing Irish tourism. Tourism operates in a highly competitive market and we must offer as good, if not better, value for money as other rival destinations. The general stabilisation in prices which has occurred over the last 12 months is an important step towards achieving this end. The taxation concessions on tourism products granted in successive budgets have resulted in a significant improvement in Irish tourism's competitive position. These developments will, I am sure, lead to increased tourism business.

It is generally agreed, I think, that taxation levels at the present time are, of necessity, at a very high level because of our extremely difficult economic circumstances. This is certainly true in so far as tourism is concerned. I am hopeful that as the economic situation improves it will be possible for the Government to introduce further taxation concessions for tourism.

When one looks at the way in which the tourism industry has managed to weather the storms of the continuing recession and to continue to contribute positively to economic development, there can be no doubt that any concessions would be used positively by the industry to further enhance its overall contribution to the economy.

It is my firm belief that, in the past, tourism has not been accorded the attention it deserved as one of this country's most important industries. Perhaps this is because the industry is so disparate, made up of many thousands of small, widely spread, operators. Yet it cannot be denied that tourism supports a very large number of jobs and that, this year, its earnings overall will be touching the £1 billion mark for the first time.

It is true to say also, I think, that there is much more which can be achieved through the proper development of the industry. In this increasingly technological age, it is in the service industries, such as tourism, that more and more of our future job opportunities will arise. The Government are fully aware of this potential and will continue to afford tourism every possible consideration in their economic development plans.

It is not just the Government alone who have a role to play in assisting the development of Irish tourism. Every man, woman and child in this country is a vital element in this effort. In the coming years, this country will be judged increasingly, in tourism terms, against the high, and in most cases meticulous, standards of other competing international destinations. It is essential, therefore, that the standard of our infrastructure and of our environment be maintained at the highest possible level.

Bord Fáilte tell me that the country and the people are the major selling points for Ireland as a tourist location, and that, generally, there is a high level of satisfaction among our visitors. All of us must strive to ensure that this remains so. We must take pride in, and preserve the unique quality of our environment, our homes, villages, towns, cities and rural surroundings. There are so many aspects of our environment that are coming under increasing threat in this modern age that it is only by continuous vigilance that we can continue to have a countryside to be enjoyed both by ourselves and our visitors.

The continuation of the good work of Bord Fáilte is one of the major factors in the development of the industry, both in its promotional role and its developmental role. Effective marketing of the product is probably more important in tourism than in any other export sector. In my period of office I have had the opportunity to view at first hand the board's marketing activities in the home and overseas markets and I have been impressed by the effectiveness and professionalism of their appraoch.

Over the past two years the Government have provided the board with a significant level of promotional funds to use in the various markets. This year, for example, the Bord Fáilte allocation of £22.45 million is the highest provision ever made for promoting Irish tourism. I am confident that this money will be very well spent and that the country will benefit from the increased tourism spending which will be generated. It is my hope that in the future the Government will be able to provide increased funds for this purpose as it is, I believe, an area here Exchequer spending can reap a worthwhile return to the economy.

I think we are very lucky in Irish tourism to have such a wide range of tourist accommodation available, and this is in no small way due to the various accommodation grant schemes designed to stimulate investment in this sector over the years. From the top Grade A-star hotels through the family-type tourist hotels, town and country homes, farmhouses, self-catering, caravan and camping sites to hostels — they all have a part to play in the tourist effort. We can offer accommodation to suit almost every conceivable taste and pocket.

It is highly important, therefore, that Government policy in relation to tourism accommodation ensures that supply as far as possible is consistent with demand. It would be very wrong, for example, to initiate schemes to stimulate development of a particular type of accommodation if, by so doing, we were to put in jeopardy the continued viability of accommodation providers already operating in the particular sector.

This is a point that can sometimes be forgotten by people who clamour for Government assistance for particular sectors which are experiencing difficulties. However well-intentioned they may be, they might not realise that sufficient demand may not exist for the particular service they wish to offer. If one does not have regard to the level of demand for a particular type of accommodation before deciding to stimulate supply, one is creating future problems rather than solving existing ones. It is for this reason that detailed consideration is necessary before deciding where, and for what purpose, scarce Exchequer resources should be used and, of course, in all such cases the State should have the clear prospect of getting a real return on its investment.

Bord Fáilte and the tourist industry in general can, I think, pride themselves on what has been achieved over the years in the development of tourism-related facilities and amenities. Since 1979, the Government have provided, through the board, up to £8 million in grant assistance for this development. This money has stimulated the development of a wide range of projects including Shannon cruisers, recreational facilities in major holiday resort areas, angling developments, water sports, equestrian centres and so on, developments which have played a major part in sustaining the growth of the industry. The amenity development scheme has been, and I am sure will continue to be, responsible for stimulating very desirable amenity development throughout the country which might otherwise not take place.

I am told by the board that the numbers of applications for assistance under the scheme annually far outnumber the projects which can be assisted within the limits of the funds available. This is another clear indication that we have, within the industry, innovative people with plenty of bright ideas for development. I hope that the Government can continue to devote the resources necessary to assist these people to bring their ideas to fruition to the benefit of Irish tourism.

There is, however, an absolute necessity to ensure that the funds expended in this area are used to the best possible advantage. Our primary objective is the promotion and generation of tourism traffic in order to maximise tourism revenue. The projects to be assisted under the scheme must, therefore, be projects which are likely to show an identifiable return to the economy in the form of additional tourism revenue generated.

Promoting and marketing the product effectively, providing the highest possible standard of accommodation, meals, drink and amenities are all, as I have said, vital to our tourism development. Another vital element in attracting tourists to our shores is to provide them with the most economic and comfortable means of getting here. For an island tourist destination like Ireland, access transport and facilities are of the utmost importance. The access transport area is a highly complex and difficult one, with staggeringly high costs of development, many conflicting interests to be considered and a very fine line between success and failure.

I have had the opportunity over the past few months to see at first hand the operations of the main sea carriers serving our ports. I was very impressed by what I saw — the quality of the ships, the professionalism and dedication of the people involved, left little to be desired.

The main purpose of my travels with the sea carriers was to look at the facilities available to tourists at our main sea ports on the east coast and at the departure ports in the UK and France and to compare them. Port facilities, in my view, are a very important aspect as, for the sea traveller, his first impression of the country is the one he gets on arrival at a port. If that impression is not a good one, it can spoil all that comes after, no matter how good it is.

Having looked at the various ports, I am of the view that there are improvements which need to be carried out at some of them to bring them up to acceptable international standards. I am happy to see that money has been provided for port improvements work this year and that the Minister for Communications has initiated an overall review of policy in so far as the ports are concerned. For my part, I will be reporting on the results of my examination of port facilities and suggesting action which I see as necessary to improve the tourist facilities available at the ports.

I would like to conclude by restating my conviction that Ireland has, in tourism, an industry which can, and will, play a major role in this country's future economic development. To all of those people involved in the industry I would stress the three main requirements as I see them: maintain your product at the highest possible standard, offer the best value for money possible and get out into the market and promote the product as effectively as possible.

I should like to remind the House that I will call the Minister at 8.15 p.m.

As the time available for this debate is somewhat restricted now I will have to forego certain elements of my contibution but I presume there will be another opportunity, perhaps in the next day or two, to put the economic side of my submission. The contribution of the Minister of State is a great disappointment to us all. He may have spent some time inspecting sea carriers and seaports but I put it to him that he is totally at sea in so far as the development of tourism is concerned. I should like to remind the Minister of State of his own speeches in the House last November and December when he promised that certain things would be done to support Irish tourism.

A list of commitments was given by him but they have not been fulfilled. He indicated that he was developing a major economic tourism plan. Six months later it is reasonable to expect that he would give us a similar commitment at the half-year mark. There was reference to it, and it is the same speech on tourism that we have come to expect over the past number of years. It reinforces my view that until such time as there is a Minister attached to the Department of Industry, Trade, Commerce and Tourism, tourism will never develop here and take its rightful place as an economic force. There is no acceptance by any Minister or the Department that tourism can play a major economic role in the resurgence of the economy. Until such time as the Minister gets around to impressing on the Cabinet the need to provide the wherewithal to develop a proper strategy in dealing with tourism we will have the same old speech every year.

It is regrettable that even at this late stage the Minister did not take the initiative concerning a matter which I raised with him some time ago concerning the VAT rebate deal that was announced by the Minister for Finance in his budget speech. It was not mentioned because it has proved to be an embarrassment for the Minister, the Department and Bord Fáilte. It is impossible to implement and has been a major failure as far as tourism promotion is concerned. I have asked the Minister if he would make certain changes which would simplify the method of implementation and I thought I was getting somewhere. Unfortunately, there has been no change of heart, and obviously it was only a sop at budget time which held out a promise to the tourist industry but is now a flop. Tourists were supposed to be able to shop here and claim back VAT in line with the practice which is authorised in other EEC countries. We expected that at least the implementation would make some sense to tourists, but the EEC tourist has to pay a minimum of £152 for a product before he can qualify for a rebate. He then has to have his invoice stamped by his own customs, return the invoice suitably stamped and then he will get his VAT back from the retail outlet in which he purchased the goods. Nobody paid any attention to the exchange difficulties which would arise when the invoices came back or bothered to realise that the people, if they ever did get their VAT returned, would have considerable difficulty in making the exchange in their own jurisdiction. They would perhaps have to pay their own country's tax on the goods again. It is a farce, and anybody who has sought to implement it will tell you that invoices are returned badly and wrongly marked and with comments to the effect that the rebate should be given to charity because it is insulting to have to pay $5 or $8 to have it exchanged into their own currency, especially when the total VAT rebate was less than the original sum they paid.

The non-EEC tourist did not fare much better. I agree that there is no minimum limit but the invoices have to be stamped by the Irish customs. There was a simple, way out of all this which I recommended to the Minister some time ago. Aer Rianta were willing to accommodate the Minister by installing a VAT refund desk at the point of exit and, if that had been located beside the duty free shop, the Exchequer would have benefited once the cash repayments were made. It is typical of the attitude of the Minister and the Department that they failed to do anything positive in that regard. This was a voluntary scheme and the people in the retail trade are not volunteering. It is as simple as that. It has left a sour taste not just among tourists but in the promoters of Irish tourism abroad. They are not indicating that this facility is available in Ireland because it is an embarrassment to them and, if the Minister is not going to change its implementation, it should be withdrawn.

In 1961 the United Kingdom benefited by 8 per cent in transatlantic tourists. At that time Ireland got 6 per cent in that area. In 1983, Ireland got 8 per cent of transatlantic tourists but the United Kingdom got 30 per cent. What new foreign marketing promotional strategy does the Minister intend to implement to attract people here from America? There is no use telling me that we give them a few extra hundred thousand pounds and send them on their way. That is not the way to give a direction and lead to Bord Fáilte, and I suggest that there is a surplus of duplication in so far as promotional agencies are concerned in tourism. I have already asked the Minister to bring them all together under an umbrella organisation so that we could get the maximum benefit for the amount of promotion and money that we had. I also asked if the Minister would consider including the Irish Embassies in that promotional drive. There has not been a word from him since. I do not know whether the Minister intends taking his holidays in the Embassies abroad as well as the seaports but, if he does, he should put it to them that there is an industry that could be of tremendous potential to the economic drive and regrowth here if they would take the initiative.

The Irish flour milling industry is under great threat from the dumping of imported flour from the United Kingdom and nothing is being done to save it. After the closure of Ranks all the major British milling industries tried to capture the total Irish industry, which is their stated aim. To do so, they are selling below the price obtainable in the United Kingdom. They have already captured a sizeable proportion of the Irish market and they are selling their product for less than the Irish milling industry can sell it. There is a differential of £40. The consequences are catastrophic for what is an essential industry. We have lost jobs and increased imports. Our capacity to produce what must be regarded as a strategic raw material is being impaired and we are going to end up depending on a foreign source for a basic foodstuff and raw material. This is not good enough, and there is legislative power to stop this illegal dumping. The same flour that is being sold here and dumped on the Irish market is being used by the bakery industry here and is attracting a subsidy of 15p for the 800 gramme loaf. The Irish taxpayers are paying the subsidy to keep people in jobs in Great Britain. Bakers should be encouraged to use Irish flour and to show a special symbol which would indicate that the bread is baked from home flour.

The Minister spoke about changes he proposes introducing in relation to company law, but of course every Ministerial speech has included that since the Minister came to office and during the time of his predecessor. We have been promised all kinds of legislation but, despite continuous prodding here on the Order of Business, we are still no nearer to that legislation except a general promise from the Minister this evening that he is going to burden himself and the House in the next session with a list of legislative proposals. He is going to introduce a general insurance Bill, he is going to do something about limited liability, he is going to implement the Fourth Directive, he is going to have at least two stock exchange directives implemented and he is going to do something about restrictive practices in so far as the professions are concerned. If the Minister lives up to his promises in his 76 page speech he and I are going to be pretty busy here next term. I look forward to the Minister fulfilling his list of promises.

Not all the matters to which I referred require Bills.

I presume the stock exchange directives will be done by order. I take it that the restrictive practices will require legislation, as will the Fourth Directive, limited liability and the general insurance. Even if they do not require legislation, they will have to be debated in the House as statutory orders.

The Minister devoted a portion of his speech to insurance. It was the disappointing part of his speech. I had expected something different from him on this occasion.

With regard to motor insurance, the Minister did not make any reference to what he might do in regard to the excessive cost of insurance for young drivers. He did not tell us what he intends doing in spite of the fact that his predecessor gave a commitment here, and outside, to take immediate steps as far as uninsured motorists were concerned. However, the Minister tells us this evening that he will establish a new representative board to deal with this matter. I should like to remind the Minister that this area was dealt with in detail on a number of occasions before. In regard to that I should like to refer him to the report of the inquiry into the cost and methods of providing motor insurance issued in 1982. I do not know why the Minister considers it necessary to set up another board to investigate the cost and provision of motor insurance. There is in the Department a detailed document setting out what should be done and the Minister's predecessor gave a commitment to implement the recommendations in that report but nothing has been done. The minimum the Minister might do — he can do it without having the matter investigated by his new representative board — is to synchronise insurance and licences. The Minister could make a name for himself by introducing windscreen discs, something that was promised by his predecessor but not mentioned by him. It is a realistic approach. I accept that something is being done about introducing realistic penalties for driving without insurance cover, but there is a need for greater Garda surveillance.

A whole range of recommendations were made in the report of the inquiry of 1982. The Minister should cut out the waffle and be what he likes people to think he is, a reformer. In some instances the Minister has been a reformer but he could do something in this area without setting up another board. There was little talk until recently about the question of insurance intermediaries. The Minister's predecessor said he was not going to do anything about them, that perhaps they should self-regulate. However, we are aware, following a recent speech by the Minister of State, Deputy Collins, and the speech by the Minister this evening, that it is intended to have another close look at this problem. I thank the Minister for his move in regard to this. In the last 18 months I have made many speeches about this matter and I am glad that at last the light is beginning to dawn. It is not too much to expect, at a time when so many institutions are going to the wall, that brokers and agents be brought under some type of regulations. While there was no great enthusiasm expressed by the Minister of State when he set out four options at a recent function I recommended that as far as brokers are concerned the minimum requirement should be that they be of good financial standing and have some technical experience. The Minister may have to consider bonding. I accept that the latter is the sticking point but in view of the collapses that occurred in recent years in this area of activity it may be necessary for the Minister to consider bonding also. Agents should have a fixed relationship with the companies they work for. It should be recognised once and for all that money paid to an agent is money paid to the company. It should be treated as such. That would give a certain element of security to those buying insurance.

House insurance is of particular interest to me. The cost of it has increased by 48 per cent in the first six months of this year. The Minister will have to take due notice of that area in the short-term. There are 26 general companies writing insurance here and half of them have increased their rates in recent months. They have also increased the optional cover to a very significant degree. Those companies have also increased the risk portion paid by the insured in the event of a claim. It is almost as dear now to insure one's house as it is to insure one's car. In fact, some companies who possess licences from the Minister's Department are not prepared to quote insurance at all for certain areas in Dublin. Their underwriting losses have escalated enormously from about £700,000 two years ago to almost £5 million this year. The time is right for the Minister to step in and regulate the position.

It is said that the rise in crime has resulted in a big increase in house insurance. In the last three years reported burglaries increased by 150 per cent. If that is the case and if quite a lot of them had violence related to them then it is time something positive was done to deal with the problem. Dublin is the key area, as is suggested in all reports concerning crime-related burglaries. I understand that in Dublin one burglary is committed every 20 minutes. Some of the areas where burglaries are at their highest level are avoided by insurance companies. Quite a number of householders are finding it impossible to get any quotation for the contents or the building. Other areas are being subjected to very stringent security measures before being quoted for.

I accept that the general public can do more and should be more security consious. Some action by the general public would bring a reduction in the number of burglaries. However, the Minister, in order to get an overall view of the problem and understanding of how desperate the situation is for insurance companies and those who must pay the increased premiums should call the insurance associations together with representitives of the building industry, the Garda, the Departments of Justice and the Environment to a round table conference to devise new strategies for dealing with this problem. They could consider new concessions in premiums to apply if certain action is taken by consumers and consider recommending new regulations to the Department of the Environment as far as new buildings are concerned. I am satisfied that if a broad look was taken at this there would be a reduction in the number of burglaries and, consequently, a reduction in premiums.

In conclusion I should like to make a personal plea to the Minister about the two independent cinemas left in Dublin, the Cameo and the Curzon. It has to be stated in all fairness that the London-based renters of films are putting the independent cinemas out of business. Quite a few of them have gone to the wall already. It is all a question of the exclusivity of the major operators and the monopoly that is enjoyed by the big operators. It is not too much to expect that the Minister should see to it that the last remaining independent cinema-owners in Dublin should at least enjoy second-run status. The spirit of the Restrictive Practices Commission report of 1978 is not being complied with. It recommended that there should be a change of heart and that independent cinemas should at least get the same facility as the suburban screens. Controls were introduced in the United Kingdom but to save the independent owners and relieve us of a monopoly here the Minister should take a personal interest in this matter. If he does I am confident he will bring about a satisfactory conclusion to this. The matter can be dealt with across the board in a short time.

I should like to congratulate the Minister on the way he has faced up to his responsibility. We are all aware that he encountered many difficulties that were handed down to him by the last administration. He has risen to the occasion handsomely. His speech this evening of 76 pages is a revelation for any person anxious to learn the facts facing industry here. It is accepted that many jobs could be created here if we could instil in our people, particularly housewives, the necessity to buy Irish products at all times. I listened to previous speakers saying that industry should be put on a pedestal. We all believe that, but we must realise that there will be serious consequences for industry if we do not get a home market for our products.

Last year Ireland, a food producing country, imported over £800 million worth of food. The total value of horticultural imports amounted to £27 million, plus £12 million for potatoes, bringing the figure to almost £40 million. We also imported £14 million worth of apples, £2 million worth of carrots, £6 million worth of tomatoes and £0.5 million worth of celery. Iceberg lettuce from Holland retails here at about 70p per head. Fresh podded peas and French beans sell at approximately £1 per pound and are imported from France in the months of April, May and June. Lettuce seed costs £35 per ounce and this is also imported from Holland. Surely we could meet the requirements of our own people. Why must we import lettuce seed from Holland as well as daffodils, rose buds and flowers of all descriptions? They could be grown locally, giving much employment. It is shocking that this situation has continued over many years. The sooner the better we realise the necessity of being self-sufficient in food.

We have the finest climate in western Europe, possibly in the world, for growing these types of commodities, but we do not avail of the opportunity. There is an opening for a huge number of jobs in the food processing sector in marinating, canning and smoking fish. When one goes into a supermarket one sees the shelves adorned with tins of smoked fish, herrings in wine, herrings in beer.

And Albert's dogfood.

All of these are imported from West Germany, Denmark and Norway. We seem bent on buying these imported products. We have the finest fishing waters in the world but when the fish are landed in Castletownbere, Killybegs or Howth they are put into articulated trucks and transported to the continent for processing. They are then imported back here. If we were sensible we would cut out the bickering and get down to business. It is time the Irish people took a stand. I have seen fish being put into containers in Castletownbere and whisked across the Irish Sea, in spite of the fact that we have a fish factory there which is completely under-utilised, employing only 17 or 18 people until recently when the number was increased to 36. This enterprise is threatened by the entry of Spain to the EEC. We must be seen to make a start in making this country self-sufficient in food.

The enterprise allowance scheme has been very valuable. Over 1,700 people had benefited under the scheme by the end of last month and set up their own businesses. This is not to be scoffed at. It is a step in the right direction, and I would expect this success to continue under the leadership of our esteemed Minister, Deputy John Bruton.

More jobs could be created in industries such as forestry. We have the best climate in the world for growing trees but we are only skimming the surface in regard to afforestation. After 50 years of native government it is still in the doldrums but it could give an immense amount of employment.

In spite of the difficulties encountered by exporting firms, it is very encouraging to note that exports rose by 22 per cent or £1,245 million last year, making a new record of £6,936 million. This is very encouraging, but a lot more could be achieved if we tackled problems in a realistic manner. I have no doubt that this will now be done.

It is very gratifying that tourism figures are up this year by 4 or 5 per cent. If the ferry service were operating into Cork there would be a further increase of at least 3 per cent. Such a ferry service is very important to the south-west region, and it is gratifying to know that by 1985 it will again be in operation. We must be more competitive in regard to attracting tourists and we must give proper package deals. Other countries fly in tourists by the thousand in jumbo jets. We could do likewise. We have a very good climate and some of the finest scenery in the world, beautiful mountains, lakes, rivers and inlets. All this should be capitalised. It could be of immense benefit where tourism is concerned.

Finally, the time has come when we must reappraise the whole situation where job creation is concerned. We have the youngest population in western Europe and as a nation we must set a headline as regards employment of our young people. I will conclude by complimenting the Minister for the magnificent report he gave the House. His address was a most invigorating one.

Deputy Sheehan should be entitled to that manufactory in view of the praise he has lavished on the Minister.

The Minister deserves the praise.

I would like to facilitate Deputy Kirk. He has been here since the debate started. We had an unexpected sos for half an hour and so I will be as brief as possible in order to facilitate Deputy Kirk.

I listened to the Minister's 76-page brief. The Minister went through the various functions in his Department, outlining the various committees and so forth set up in his Department. Apart from that there was very little of an instructive nature in the Minister's speech. There was little or no reference to unemployment and it was very obvious that his commitment towards solving the problem of unemployment, which I would have expected now that he has spent 18 months in the Department, is one that has so far not been met. He may have his own opinions on matters but, having listened to his speech, I have a feeling he is now presenting the House with something for which he is not fully responsible. I think the Minister, like many of his colleagues, is paying the penalty of so-called coalition Government.

Earlier today we had £90 million voted for Irish Steel. Now I have no objection whatsoever to the workers in Cork getting this subvention of £90 million but it surprised me that this should come from Deputy John Bruton. To me it appeared to be a very hasty decision and I somehow doubt that it was the wish of the Minister. We in Fianna Fáil have always been glad to put money into viable industry and I am glad that the Minister has now come around to our way of thinking. However, I was more than surprised remembering the financial policy adumbrated by the Government. I am thinking of Knock Airport.

With reference to the IDA, this body have done a wonderful job down through the years. They have been responsible for attracting industry and in that way creating jobs but there seems to be no really constructive plan for the future. The IDA still have difficulty — this was referred to by other speakers — in associating with small industries. Every public representative has occasion every day of the week to discuss with that body proposals in regard to a particular area but I am disappointed, I must admit, at the lack of consideration shown for small industries, industries capable of employing 20 or 30 people. Even employment for four or five would be of immense benefit in rural areas. Would the Minister take note of that? I can give the Minister examples of the kind of industries I have in mind, industries which find it very difficult to get the kind of assistance which should be forthcoming from the IDA.

I am glad that at long last the White Paper on industrial policy will be published round about 12 July. It has been promised for so long but now that a date has been mentioned I am satisfied it will be forthcoming at last. I look forward to studying that policy and debating it here.

We have a great many groups like the IDA, CTT, AnCO and so on which co-operate with the Minister's Department but it is impossible when one is seeking advice to know to which particular Department one should go. In the White Paper I hope all these bodies will be brought together under the one umbrella so that people will know exactly to what they are entitled and where they should go for that entitlement. We have too many agencies. There is too much bureaucracy. There is a lack of contact. There is too little understanding. Training, grants, business development and so on and so forth should all be linked together to facilitate people. That sort of facility would encourage people.

I referred to the lack of reference to unemployment in the Minister's opening statement. As Deputy Reynolds pointed out, there are very serious problems facing the country. There is first of all the problem of taxation. The system is crippling progress. We have huge PAYE and PRSI burdens to meet. We have VAT increases. There is absolutely no tax incentive. There are no opportunities. There is no hope of getting work as a result of investment. I do not know what plans the Minister has but he should confer with his colleague, the Minister for Finance, in an effort to evolve some fairer system of taxation than the one with which we are burdened at present. The system is forcing more and more people into the black economy which has reached huge proportions. It is high time positive steps were taken to rectify the situation.

Reference has been made to the National Development Corporation. We have been waiting for this National Development Corporation for so long that I do not now remember when it was first mooted. I do not think there is any need for this National Development Corporation and, if we are depending on this National Development Corporation to provide jobs for our unemployed, I think we can just forget about it. I wonder why there was such a delay in setting up this corporation.

Deputy Reynolds referred to the enterprise allowance scheme. The Minister said the scheme had been successful and has been expanded. I agree that that scheme was successful and facilitated many people wanting to set up their own businesses. But, as Deputy Reynolds said, there is too much bureaucracy in its administration with too many obstacles being placed in people's way rendering it impossible for them to avail of its provisions. I too can give the Minister practical examples in support of that claim.

There has been reference to the food processing industry, discussed in every debate that has taken place here with regard to industrial policy. In this respect I believe a task force of junior Ministers has been established in regard to the food processing industry but there have been no developments in relation to its expansion since this Government came into office. We were promised that a marketing board would be established to ensure proper marketing, presentation, delivery, supplies — we have it all off by heart — and to control vegetable imports. An IDA statutory report was presented which has been totally ignored by the Minister.

Not so. I am meeting all the supermarkets about that report to get them to stock more Irish goods. I have met all of them together and I have met two large groups already. I am going to meet the rest.

We have not seen any results of that as yet.

One of the major chains have launched a "think Irish" campaign as a direct result of my intervention.

I do not think we have seen any results.

Well the more help we can get in this respect the better.

It is action that is needed at this stage. Twelve months ago Deputy Reynolds called on the Minister to involve SFADCo with the co-operatives in pilot schemes. That has been ignored.

That is being done. I am quite prepared to give Deputy Reynolds the credit of thinking of it first but it is being done.

The Deputy is not up to date.

We have had no positive proof of that either.

There is no harm in that either.

I should compliment my colleague Deputy Reynolds on having given a few ideas to the Minister because seemingly they are bereft of any at present. I am glad that SFADCo are involved because they have a good proven record in pilot schemes such as these.

There was a debate here last week or the week before about the building and construction industry which has always been the barometer of industrial activity over the years. This industry is suffering a deep depression and has been run into the ground because of inactivity on the part of this Government. The industry has been deliberately starved of funds, the Public Capital Programme has been cut back, local authority funds have been slashed and, as a result of a 13 per cent reduction in building and construction activity in the current year there are now 45,000 out of a total of 125,000 unemployed. There are skilled men, apprentices and many other young people who have completed courses and who are unable to get any positions or are without hope of doing so in the near future.

The Government National Planning Board, in their plan for 1984 to 1987, recommended increased capital investment in the construction industry to stimulate private and public sector involvement in the building trade but, unfortunately, the Government have chosen to ignore that. The industry needs a large capital injection because at least 10,000 jobs could be created within the industry tomorrow morning. In fact probably it would not be as costly as people might think because the yield in PAYE and the elimination of the people from the dole would more than compensate. However the Government do not see their way to investing money in the building trade at present. They have buried their heads in the sands in regard to this industry. Furthermore, private investment has been given nothing but disincentives. For example, VAT increases have more than offset any initiative taken. Then there are the planning charges and increased employer PRSI contributions all of which militate against the building trade. I do not think any Member of the House would deny that that industry is on its knees at present. We need to create a climate in which people will be encouraged, will be prepared to invest, but that sort of lead is not being given by the Government at present. Instead there is total indifference being shown to the building and construction industry.

Deputy Sheehan referred to the timber and forestry industry, an industry which has been neglected by consecutive Governments over the years. The authors of the afforestation programmes of the fifties and sixties did not envisage the present use to which our timber is being put. I should imagine that they intended that it would show a large return in years to come. But consecutive Governments have made a mess of that industry and it is high time something was done about it. The right conditions should be created. I understand that a report published today states that £100 million worth of imported soft wood could be substituted by domestic timber which would have beneficial effects on our economy. But there is no proper planning on the part of the industry, no organisation. Rather there is wastefulness, with no co-ordinated plan. It is high time some Minister took this issue by the scruff of the neck ensuring that there is a proper yield from our timber and forests. We often ask: where can jobs be created? There are plenty of areas in which this could be done had we but the will and determination to do so.

I should like to refer now to my own area, the south-east region, the Kilkenny area in particular where there is at present record unemployment. Indeed it can be said that the Kilkenny area is a disaster area at present. The number of people currently engaged in industrial employment is probably the lowest in the south-east area. Indeed a member of the Minister's party asked today in the House that the Minister would make available special increased industrial grants to the Kilkenny area to ensure that jobs are created there. There have been closures one after another in the course of the past 12 months. All of the small engineering works which had existed in an agricultural rural area have closed down. There are no jobs available in the engineering sector in the area at present. These were industries in which two or three people were involved and where they made a big difference in each parochial area.

I could give a litany of companies that have closed down such as Southern Steel in Ballyhale, Roadmaster Caravans in Castlecomer, Kilkenny Engineering Products in Kilkenny, a loss of 70 jobs in Albatross in New Ross, Kilkenny Standard in Kilkenny city, Kelly's in Laois, Keenan's in Bagenalstown. There are vacant IDA factories in Freshford in County Kilkenny where no clients can be found to take up the factory space, also in New Ross. Of course there is the huge Fieldcrest factory where thousands of square feet of factory space is lying idle without any effort having been made to find a suitable occupant. I cannot let this opportunity go without reminding the House that a couple of years ago when Deputy Reynolds was the Minister for Industry, my colleagues and friends including the Minister present, walked through the lobbies in support of a motion to nationalise Fieldcrest; I emphasise that, to nationalise Fieldcrest. The Government party were defeated on that motion. My constituency colleagues had insisted that that motion be tabled.

As a result of the efforts of the Minister at that time a small industry was sought — Santens were found and they occupied a small portion of that factory. I am sad, particularly in view of the interest shown then by present members of the Government, that they have made no effort whatsoever since to put one extra job into that factory. It is hypocrisy at its worst and I hope due notice will be taken of that fact. I never lose an opportunity of reminding the Government side of the manner in which that motion was passed in the House at that time.

The Minister mentioned insurance for young drivers in the course of his remarks. I am particularly pleased to note that he has established a new representative board. I hope it will not prove to be like other boards, committees and task forces that he has established. I hope it will prove to be a genuine effort to facilitate young people in getting insurance. I believe there is a deliberate attempt on the part of insurance companies to prevent young people from getting proper car insurance cover, to drive the premium so high that it is totally out of their reach. I hope that when the representative body report back in the near future, not in two or three years' time, some way will be found for young people at least to get insurance so that they can afford to drive to and from work.

Deputy Allen, and he must conclude at 8.15 p.m.

I welcome the Minister's comments, as did Deputy Aylward, on the question of insurance. I would like the Minister to look at the way in which insurance companies operate selectively in giving insurance, especially house insurance. In the Cork region they have refused to cover certain types of dwellings for fire and theft. The Minister said that he hoped to get the Restrictive Practices Commission to carry out a series of studies under section 12.

I came in here this evening to ask the Minister to act on the report that has been with his Department for two years and which relates to legal conveyancing and the monopoly that the legal profession enjoy in that area. I am convinced that the type of activity carried on in this regard is adding between 10 and 15 per cent to the price of purchasing a house. The report was submitted in April 1982. It went out to a number of Departments and it was accompanied by a report from An Foras Forbartha which dealt with the way in which building societies operated in house purchases. I hope that the Minister will introduce legislation to eliminate confusion and to eliminate also the maze created by professionals and non-professionals such as estate agents, solicitors, surveyors, valuers, building societies, banks and local authorities who each have their own defined area of work with little competition. The whole area of house purchase is stifled by the solicitors' monoply of conveyancing which effectively blocks any competition in the house transfer system and stifles any real attempt to update the system. A huge vested interest is involved here, and unfortunately a huge power block within the political system will oppose and attempt to stifle any move made towards a change. The monopoly kills any incentive to modernise the system and make it more efficient. The Minister should draft legislation (1) to remove the monopoly on conveyancing (2) to allow building societies and banks to do conveyancing work in competition with solicitors and (3) to allow non-solicitors to do conveyancing——

Deputy, you have one minute left.

——provided they hold a suitable licence and the public have certain safeguards. The whole area should be opened up by allowing solicitors to advertise their conveyancing services and let the public know what is available.

I am prepared to concede five minutes of my time to the Deputy or another Deputy.

This area must be examined seriously. The buying of a house is the largest single transaction that a couple experience in their lifetime. I feel that people will tolerate hard times and hard measures that must be taken if they see the Government tackling areas where people are making massive profits.

Deputy Kirk has five minutes.

I thank the Minister for conceding time to us on this side of the House and I thank the Deputy also. This is a broad subject, and to cover the whole spectrum in a mere five minutes would be difficult. I would like to refer to a few aspects of the Minister's speech and I hope that when he replies he will deal with them.

Of interest in the north-east of the country, particularly Louth, is the advent of natural gas.

That is not my concern, that is for the Minister for Energy.

From an industrial promotion point of view it is very essential and I think it relates to the Minister's brief.

Do not waste time.

Many of the industries located in that part of the country are awaiting impatiently the arrival of natural gas but unfortunately the agreement seems to have become unstuck. Any breakdown in the agreement between the Government here and the Government north of the Border would endanger the opportunities that the advent of natural gas to that area would open up for the industries existing there and the possibility of new industries. The horticultural industry with its base on the eastern seaboard has great potential for job creation, and 3,000 to 4,000 job opportunities have been created as a result of the impetus resulting from the availability of gas and also of input substitution for which there is great scope in the horticultural industry generally.

The towns of Dundalk, Drogheda and Ardee have a very serious unemployment problem. The 18 per cent increase in the number of unemployed in the last 12 months gives us a total of 7,565 people unemployed in County Louth at present. The population of that county has grown tremendously. Many family units have been set up there and the children of those families will be joining the dole queue or the job-seeking queue, and unless the industries are created and the job opportunities emerge we will have a very serious problem. Only recently in the House the Minister indicated that he intended to encourage the promotion and development of small industries, particularly in Dundalk which has been very badly hit. I asked him if after a certain time he has ascertained that things are not progressing as he would wish, whether he would declare that part of the country a disadvantaged area.

Hear, hear. Now you are talking.

In the Border counties we are at a positive disadvantage. That has been outlined clearly in many documents that have been discussed here and in many debates that we have had in this House in recent years in regard to counties such as Louth, Monaghan and Cavan, Deputy Wilson's constituency which has had a progressive decrease in population because job opportunities have not been created there. The opportunities are not being created either in my county of Louth and I know the Minister from the neighbouring constituency of Meath is very familiar with the scene on the ground and with the difficulties. I hope he will apply himself to and declare Louth a disadvantaged county.

I will give the remainder of my time to Deputy M. Brennan.

You are talking about 50 seconds.

"Hello" and "goodbye" is about all that the Deputy will get to say.

"If you can fill the unforgiving minute".

He is in a disadvantaged area.

We are all in disadvantaged areas. My proposal for creating small industries by various agencies such as the IDA and AnCO is to encourage self-employment and the setting up of small businesses. Many of these people are lacking in skills and this lack is particularly evident in the area of marketing.

The Deputy will have to be very brief.

I shall leave my remarks for some other time.

I thank all those Deputies who have participated in what has been a very constructive debate. I am glad to be able to tell the House that recently the IDA reported to me that their pipeline of projects is in a better state than has been the case for the past three years. I understand that there are more site visits and more projects coming through. I have noticed this myself in terms of the number of proposals I have had to bring to Government in the past three months compared with what was the position a year ago.

Will the Minister be keeping an eye on what will happen to them?

Given the size of the unemployment problem, this improvement does not give us grounds for complacency. I have never held the view that industry on its own can solve the unemployment problem but there is evidence on the ground that the number of industrial projects coming through is improving.

As I have indicated there has been a considerable improvement in the rate at which advance factories are being filled. Deputy Reynolds correctly made a good deal of reference to import substitution and to the question of what we might do to build a strong industrial base without recourse to foreign investment by substituting imports where appropriate. I have indicated some of the steps we are taking in this direction. The IDA have launched the national linkage programme and I will be looking for a report from them on a three-monthly basis as to the success of the programme. In addition, I have undertaken a series of meetings with all the supermarkets. I have met them as a group. I have met two of them already in their own offices in an effort to find out what they are doing by way of stocking more Irish goods and also by way of encouraging more Irish manufacturers to start producing for the supermarkets' own brands. The own-brand concept offers an opportunity to people who are fairly new to the manufacturing process, because the supermarket takes over the marketing and to a certain extent the packaging costs of the business and provides a manufacturer with an initial block of work which can provide a platform on which he can do more. Rather than complain about own brands or about the level of imports we should regard own brands as an opportunity in the food area in particular. The two major groups I have met have indicated their willingness to co-operate in this way. I would say to anyone who has any influence with small business particularly in the food area to get in touch with their supermarkets so as to ensure that they live up to what they are saying to me. If anyone finds that the supermarkets are not performing in accordance with their indications to me, I should like to hear about them.

I was interested in what Deputy Reynolds had to say about some hospital contracts. I will be following that matter up with the Minister for Health and Social Welfare.

Deputy Reynolds referred also to the Nixdorf Training Centre at Bray in which he was involved. The problem in this regard has not been one of bureaucratic delays on the part of agencies but that there were not sufficient numbers of partners other than Nixdorf available in Ireland to get the project going. If the Deputy wishes to have more information on this I can supply him with it. I understand that Nixdorf are prepared to go ahead with a lesser product than the one originally envisaged in view of the lack of available partners. This matter is the subject of correspondence between them and my Department.

Are the IDA prepared to become a partner?

The IDA are not electronics manufacturers. The need is for people who are electronics manufacturers and who are prepared to use the training facilities, but there has not been a sufficient number of those available to date.

If the electronics partners become available, will the project go ahead?

I am sure it will if the partners are prepared to participate on the available terms.

Deputy Flynn referred to motor insurance. While I agree with all the Deputies who have spoken on the problem of motor insurance for young drivers, we must recognise that there are three separate and justifiable reasons for premia tending to be very high for young drivers. First, there is an age loading, and that is justified on the basis of statistics. Secondly, there is a loading in respect of inexperience, and most young drivers are inexperienced drivers. Thirdly, there is the question of the no-claims bonus. Most young drivers will not be likely to be able to avail of a no-claims bonus. These three factors combine to bring about the high premia for these young drivers, and all of them are justifiable on the basis of claim experience though they also represent a significant barrier for the young people concerned.

The solution to the problem is to be found perhaps in reducing the overall cost of insurance which is the result of the high level of payments that have to be made by the insurance companies. That may have to be tackled both by reforming the court system and also by bringing about a reduction in the number of accidents as well as by way of improved compliance with the legal requirement to be insured. In this connection Deputy Flynn referred to the introduction of a windscreen disc. The Department of the Environment are pursuing this matter actively. It has been a Government decision that the disc system is to be introduced. My Department will be pressing the Department of the Environment to have the decision implemented.

As Deputy Flynn has acknowledged, the Road Traffic Bill has been introduced. Other measures in the report are being pursued as indicated in the original announcement by the Government, so there is no slackening in that area.

I share Deputy Flynn's concern about the increasing burden both of household insurance and of employers' liability insurance. There is a case for considering why employers' liability insurance has increased. The reason for increased household insurance is clear. It is because of crime, so the crime problem must be tackled if we are to reduce insurance premia in this area. There are suggestions that people may have difficulty in obtaining household insurance, but if any Deputy has details of any such case I should be glad if he would bring them to my attention so that I might pursue them.

There have been suggestions in the area of motor insurance that young drivers are not able to get cover. There have been some reports of people approaching up to ten or twelve companies but not being successful in this regard. We have an arrangement whereby if one is refused by more than five companies, my Department will intervene, under the declined cases agreement, with the companies to get cover for those people. It has been our experience that where people came to us in time and where we put all our resources into their cases, cover was obtained. That may seem contrary to the general discussion in public. If we could hear of the cases people are talking about perhaps we could do more about this problem than we are doing.

Do the declined cases tribunal operate in respect of house insurance?

They are confined to dealing with motor insurance, but if there is a problem in the household insurance area there is always the possibility of making similar arrangements by way of negotiation.

I do not think that the situation is that bad in respect of household insurance.

It is in Cork, where flats will not be covered.

Everything must be gone to the dogs in Cork.

I will take a note of what Deputy Allen has said about getting the conveyancing report on restrictive practices dealt with. We are working on this with the Department of Justice who have responsibility for a number of the measures that would need to be implemented to ensure that this is done.

Deputy Flynn referred also to the flour industry and to the problem of imports in that respect. This is essentially a matter for the Department of Agriculture, but I have interested myself in it and I have had some discussions with Commissioner Davignon and with other members of the Commission about the possibility of these imports being construed as dumping.

I was impressed by what Deputy Sheehan had to say regarding the opportunities in the area of import substitution in the food area. It is a matter for commercial companies to exploit the opportunities the Deputy identified, but I hope the new industrial policy with its greater emphasis on providing assistance for marketing and for the acquisition of foreign technology will provide the opportunity for using some of the openings to which Deputy Sheehan referred.

Vote put and agreed to.
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