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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 27 Nov 1984

Vol. 354 No. 4

Registration of Potato Growers and Potato Packers Bill, 1984: Second Stage.

I move: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

The purpose of this Bill is to contribute towards the better organisation and development of the potato sector primarily by improving the quality of domestic supplies of potatoes reaching the market place.

The potato industry in this country is not well organised. The distribution system from the producer to the retailer is not very orderly. Marketing tends to consist of individual efforts by producers, packers, merchants, etc. Adequate facilities for storing, grading, packing and processing of potatoes do not exist. A survey carried out by the Department of Agriculture last year showed that less than 50 per cent of the potato crop had adequate facilities. This inevitably results in losses and wastage which can be avoided. The potato industry is also characterised by considerable fluctuations in supplies from one year to another. A year of short supply and high prices is often followed by a year of excess supply and poor prices. Even within a season where there is a reasonable equilibrium between supply and demand there is often oversupply early in the season and a shortfall towards the end of the season. Some of the more extreme fluctuations can be reduced considerably if the sector becomes more rationalised and orderly.

The consequences of these weaknesses in the potato industry are obvious. High quality, well-presented potatoes and potato products from other member states gain inroads into the domestic market. In fact £25 million worth of potatoes and potato products were imported in 1982. We can replace these imports with obvious benefits to the country but some developments in the sector are required if this is to be achieved. It should not be forgotten that we have many advantages which can help to organise and develop the industry. Many areas in the country have excellent soils and climatic conditions for potato production. High quality home grown certified seed is readily available and the control, research and advisory services of the Department of Agriculture, An Foras Talúntais and ACOT are readily available to producers. The proximity of domestic markets is a major advantage. ACOT have put a man specifically in charge of the horticultural scene.

The absence of international competition was a major factor for the relative under-development of the potato sector. Inter-Community free trade followed implementation of the EC plant health directive in 1980. Before that, our producers enjoyed the protection of our own domestic market. They now face the full rigours of EC competition and the industry must adapt to this at production, distribution, marketing and processing levels. Failure to make the sector more efficient and competitive will inevitably lead to further growth in the supplies of foreign potatoes and potato products.

The reorganisation and development of the industry is primarily a matter for the commercial forces which operate in the sector. But the Government can help by providing conditions and promoting a climate wherein the sector can ultimately compete more efficiently and effectively. In this connection, the State is providing financial aid towards the development of a national potato co-operative. The task of establishing the national co-operative was undertaken by the Irish Co-operative Organisation Society (ICOS) in conjunction with the Irish Farmers' Association. I understand that 12 regional potato producer co-operatives have been set up and these form the constituent bodies of the national co-operative. Much remains to be done by the co-operative. It will be endeavouring to get the fullest support from the regional co-operatives by way of channelling their entire output through the co-operative. I understand the co-operative will be looking into the local and regional needs in terms of grading, handling, packing and storing facilities.

I wish to refer briefly to grant-aid available under an EC regulation on the marketing and processing of agricultural products. Under this scheme, grant-aid may be obtained from the European Agricultural Guidance and Guarantee Fund (FEOGA) towards the cost of certain approved projects which are aimed at improving structural efficiency in the processing and marketing of agricultural products in the Community.

Successful applicants must have the approval of the member state, which must contribute a minimum national grant of 8 per cent of the cost of the project and 16 per cent for projects located in the disadvantaged areas of the west of Ireland in order to attract the maximum level of EC grant which amounts to 25 per cent and 50 per cent in disadvantaged areas. On-farm production projects involving modernisation, rationalisation or development of individual farms are not eligible for consideration under the FEOGA Projects Scheme.

Nowadays in the market place, product presentation is becoming increasingly important. In this connection, I would urge producers to pay particular attention to the selection of potato varieties which have good storage quality and which look attractive to shoppers.

From experiences which I have had recently this point of view is confirmed. For far too long we have been starting out in the fields growing something in the hope that the customer will purchase the product. What we should have been doing is starting in the supermarkets, finding out why the housewife buys one product and rejects another and then taking the process from there. It was quite clear to me that the price is not the factor in the determination of the purchases. It is the presentation of the product, how they look. The Heinz company proved that the housewife's decision making is 75 per cent on visual presentation. The product must be 100 per cent edible. There must be no waste or rotting. The shops which have started offering to housewives the facility of choosing their own potatoes from the tray have proved this point. It has been a tremendous success even though from those trays the potatoes were one and half times as expensive as the packaged potatoes.

The registration requirements as proposed in the Bill together with the co-operative structure I have referred to can provide an overall framework to promote the achievement of greater development, efficiency and competitiveness which the sector requires.

The Bill before the House provides for a system of registration of all who grow ware potatoes for sale and of all who pack potatoes. It will be illegal to sell potatoes other than those grown by a registered grower, or to sell packaged potatoes other than those packed by a registered packer. A packer or a grower who packs will be required to show his or her registered number on the pack. About 80 per cent of the trade in 25 kg packs is met by growers who are also packers. The proposed registration system will facilitate trace back of substandard potatoes through the sales chain, as middlemen will be required to put their names and addresses, or other approved identification on the packs. This will make it easier to take appropriate action with those who pack poor quality potatoes. It will also encourage the collection and dissemination of information regarding acreage planted, varieties etc. The enactment of this legislation will not solve all the problems associated with the industry. It will be no substitute for the action that is required by the commercial sector. But it will help to provide a better framework and promote greater discipline in the chain from producer to retailer.

I want to refer to a few points, for the information of the House. We do not regard prosecution as the ultimate. We hope, through our ACOT advice, the setting up of the co-operatives and assimilation of literature from all Departments, to be able to advise people as to the right course of action, the standards which are needed and how to get people to do their business in a business like way. As Members are probably aware, we have had regular meetings both with packers' and growers' representatives.

The significant thing about this legislation is that it is not something emanating from this Department. It is legislation which was asked for by the growers and the packers. That would indicate that they would like to travel down this road of discipline. They fully realise that they are in a tough scene. In a year in which there will be surplus potatoes in the Netherlands or elsewhere, these countries will try to put their surplus on the Irish market. That happened in the winter of 1982-83, leading to this legislation. Farmers here were dumping potatoes into the sea at that time.

We are having discussions with our colleagues in the IFA and in our own Department. It would appear, as I said, that the presentation of the potatoes is very important. As a matter of fact, housewives bought a very inferior Dutch potato because it was very well presented and well prepared. We are very fortunate that we have a very thorough seed breeding programme, resulting in some very excellent varieties, that of Cara in particular. One which is being very much promoted at the moment, especially with the processor in mind and which also looks very well on the shelves is the Pentland Dell.

In a nutshell, it is important that the product should look well, taste well and keep well. This latter is probably the greatest hurdle to be faced by the growers — the question of storage. That is the key to success. At this time of year it is easy enough to have good potatoes but in February and March you get problems with the imports. It is at that stage that storage is necessary. That is why the co-operative is very important. Groups of people will get together to do a proper job of storage. Without proper storage, we cannot compete on an all year round basis.

If there are any points which any Member would like to raise, I shall do my best to respond. I commend the Bill to the House.

(Limerick West): I welcome the Bill. As the Minister points out, it will not provide the answers to all the problems of the potato industry but it should go some way towards tackling the serious problems that have arisen. I hope in the next few moments to outline other ways and means in which improvements could be made in the potato sector. I am not talking about this legislation in that sense. Rather, I am thinking of improvements that could be effected through the co-operatives.

When we speak about the potato sector we must have regard particularly to the small farmer, because if he is to increase his income from farming it is important that he increase output. Only yesterday the Taoiseach was very quick off the mark in referring to the deficiency of Irish dairy farmers. Surely one must be forgiven for remarking that both he and the Minister for Agriculture are very prone to attacking the Irish farmers in terms of their efficiency while being very hesitant to do anything positive about their plight not only at home but within the EC context.

One way of increasing the income of the farming community is to increase farm efficiency and another way is to diversify into other lines of production. It is in this respect that the growing of potatoes and other vegetables might be very relevant. As the Minister has rightly pointed out, the Irish market for potatoes and other vegetables is vulnerable because of the scale of the industry at both producer and processor levels. We are talking of a scale that is small compared with international standards and we are competing with people at international level.

Down through the years there have been difficulties in the production of products of suitable standards. These difficulties affect adversely the competitiveness of the growers. In recent years the market has been eroded because of the importation of vegetables. The potato industry has been curtailed severely in its development by reason of the absence of an integrated approach as between grower and processor. The system of contracts has not worked well except in certain circumstances. However, we can only hope that the setting up of the potato co-operatives will overcome these difficulties. It is very important that there be the greatest co-operation possible between growers and the co-operatives and that members are loyal to their co-operatives both in the good times and in the bad times. Great strides can be made if there is a proper approach to grading, to marketing and to presentation. In this way we can ensure that farmers have proper incomes, especially the smaller farmers and those on marginal land. What I am saying is that we must produce a product that can compare favourably with standards elsewhere and with the imported products. All too often growers produce what they think the consumer requires rather than concentrating on meeting the consumer's demands.

This Bill can go a long way towards enabling our growers and processors to compete with the many multi-nationals who are operating both on the domestic and export markets but any approach to the development of the industry is dependent on the establishment of an integrated structure for production and quality control. I am glad the Minister referred to this aspect in his statement. Initially such a structure may be difficult to implement but it is necessary if we are to generate an environment that is conducive to the major expansion of the potato sector.

Steps should be taken also to implement a structure of proper processing. There are many opportunities at local level for the establishment of well organised processing plants for the processing not only of potatoes but of a variety of vegetables. To this end the participation of all interests at local level would be required. I am talking about a fairly simple structure in which would be involved people with expertise in this whole area. Initially steering committees would have to be set up and these could motivate the growers and the producers who need the assistance of such expertise. Above all, they need the assistance of experts in respect of the grading, packaging and marketing of products. Then, at a later date there could be established a structure to cater for export markets. I am convinced that we can compete successfully with the imported product and gain the greater percentage of the home market if we set up the proper structures. We must produce quality products well presented and packaged. If we do so we will be able to export them. Our priority should be the growing of potatoes and vegetables as a substitute for imports. The openings are enormous. A number of small industries could be promoted in towns and villages and a supply system could be built up with local producers. ACOT could assist and encourage such industries in their formative years.

That is an opening for the employment of many horticultural advisers who have been made redundant as a result of inadequate funds being given to ACOT by the Exchequer. Sustainable jobs could be provided at little cost to the State.

I welcome the Bill. It is a step in the right direction but it is only a beginning. From this beginning we must build the structures I spoke about. I should like to see projects such as the those I outlined qualify for grant assistance from the small industries section of the IDA and, as far as we are concerned in the mid-west, Shannon Development.

There is also the vexed question of setting up projects to produce potato chips. The selling of potatoes in envelopes is mentioned in the Bill. I take it that is the sale of chips but perhaps the Minister will clarify this. We must look at the question of producing potato chips from the point of view of export. The vegetable and potato sections depend on new product techniques and on the identification of new market opportunities. This development, with the main emphasis on encouraging native enterprise, must be assisted by all the relevant State agencies.

The Minister referred briefly — I should like him to elaborate further on this in his reply — to some of the EC structures. I commend him for the work he has done within the constraints under which he finds himself. I know that they are not of his making but of the making of a Government who have totally neglected the rural scene, agricultural development and the food processing industry. I ask him to look at the aids that may be available through EC structures such as FEOGA. I know there are funds available within the structures to assist projects provided we are prepared to match them £ for £. I am sure he agrees, though he cannot say it out loud, that this is where we are falling down badly. I ask him to ensure that further moneys are made available for worthwhile projects.

I urge the Minister to examine the idea of a floor price for potatoes. We seem to have peaks and valleys as regards the price of potatoes. This does not encourage production. It places the potato producer at a grave disadvantage. We must have a stable supply of potatoes. Positive steps must be taken to ensure that this occurs. Perhaps it could be done within the context of this Bill or under the regulations. I welcome the fact that the Minister will have to bring in regulations and that the House will have an opportunity to discuss them. No decision should be taken by the Minister without referring it to Parliament.

I should like the Minister to elaborate more than he has on the setting up of a potato marketing board. The Government promised this prior to the last general election and perhaps the Minister would outline the present position in the context of the minor co-operatives throughout the country and their relationship vis-à-vis the national potato co-operative.

I would like to know how this co-operative is to be financed. Will it be to the tune of £1 million as promised by the Government some time ago which subsequently was reduced to £100,000? What is the present situation? Will there be a contribution from the growers and so on? In other words, what is their composition, how will they be financed and what will be their role in the future? Will that be determined by the co-operative themselves or by the Minister and his Department? In setting up this potato co-operative it is imperative that they be supported positively, financially and otherwise, by the Minister and the Department to ensure that they will be sustainable, that they will not fall by the wayside as other co-operatives have done in years past.

The subject matter of this Bill, that is the registration of potato growers and packers, should go hand in hand with the setting up of a properly structured and representative potato and marketing co-operative as I have just outlined. The Minister made reference to the type and variety of potatoes. In a number of areas we can improve the yield of potatoes which in some instances is very low. There is the question of late sowing and secondary growth of potatoes, thus reducing quality. Here the officials who will be available within the Department to implement this Bill must work very closely with the officers of ACOT. That closeness may not have been as good as it should have been in the past and I hope there will be improvement there in the future and that a closer working relationship between the officers who will be implementing the provisions of this Bill and the ACOT expertise will develop. If we have a proper structure, potatoes can yield profitable margins.

I spoke earlier about setting up a frozen chip factory involving farmer equity and production under firm contracts — that must be emphasised. There is need also for expansion of the seed potato sector in the home market and particularly the export market for which we have some very suitable varieties available. As the Minister indicated, it is absolutely necessary to increase yields of potatoes, and every encouragement should be given towards this end. The reaction to potato imports has sparked off the setting up of potato co-operatives as I have indicated. That was one of the reasons behind the setting up of this potato co-operative and the encouragement thereof by interested groups, primarily the producers. It is to be hoped that this co-operative will form a sound foundation for the marketing of horticultural products in general in the future. Again I want to impress on the Minister that he must encourage in a positive way the setting up of this co-operative.

This is only a start. The test will be shareholding funds that must be raised to build proper storage, grading and handling facilities. Of course, we will start from a very low base and perhaps the funds required will be large. I ask the Minister to provide by way of a significant contribution from FEOGA grants, his Department, the small industries section of the IDA and SFADCo, funds for the purchase of machinery and so on. I am glad to say that the IDA have already shown interest in this area. It is important also that professionalism and expertise in agriculture be made available to give this development full support. If this is successful for the grading and marketing of potatoes the same principle will follow for other horticultural co-operatives, and other ancillary developments will be possible.

All possible advice should be made available by ACOT, and there must be close working arrangements between the Department and ACOT advisers. The advisory programme must focus on two major shortcomings which are evident at present at consumer level. One is mechanical damage to potatoes and the other is disease. Perhaps we should involve An Foras Talúntais in carrying out research into the type of machine that should be used in the grading of potatoes with the aim of obviating mechanical damage. Also we should look at the whole area of potato disease and attack it, as we can provided we have the proper motivation.

As this Bill implies, the Minister will introduce regulations for the proper grading and packaging of potatoes. I ask initially for consideration and understanding from his officials towards the farmers to ensure satisfactory progress here. I hope that the Minister when replying will give us some indication of the type of regulations that will be introduced under section 5. A Bill without teeth, without some substance, will not be very effective. There may be some thinking in the Department at present with regard to the introduction of the regulations under section 5 to be laid before each House of the Oireachtas from time to time, and it is necessary to know at this stage what that thinking is.

Debate adjourned.
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