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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 18 Nov 1986

Vol. 369 No. 11

Adjournment Debate. - County Limerick Farmer's Hunger Strike.

I am very grateful for the opportunity to raise this matter which has been the cause of great concern to a good number of my constituents in Doon, County Limerick. Last night there was a huge meeting there attended by about 400 people led by the clergy and community leaders. A motion was passed unanimously, which I undertook to convey to the House, calling on the Minister for Justice to transfer forthwith, without prejudice, on humanitarian grounds Michael Fitzgerald, Reenavanna, Doon, from Loughan House to Limerick Prison because of the danger to his health arising from his present hunger and thirst strike.

I am delighted to hear, as I am sure the people in Doon are, that Mr. Fitzgerald has agreed to come off his thirst strike after 20 days and apparently will now take some milk. Last night's meeting was very calm and balanced and it was recognised that Mr. Fitzgerald's record in this matter was not without blame in that he allegedly refused to have his herd tested by a departmental veterinary surgeon. Neither I nor anybody else in the community would endorse non-compliance with the law. While we are naturally relieved that Mr. Fitzgerald has agreed to come off his thirst strike — I wish to express my appreciation and that of the community to the Minister for Justice for agreeing to transfer him to Limerick near his friends and neighbours where he may be more amenable to approaches from them — nonetheless it is a matter of grave concern that, because he feels so strongly he has been wronged, he is prepared to continue his hunger strike and indeed to lay down his life because of the level of his conviction. I do not want to use emotive language but he maintains that he came off the hunger strike on two previous occasions under some understandings — I do not know what they were — which were not honoured. The very strong unanimous feeling at the meeting last night was that if some solution is not found to the present basic problem, he will continue the hunger strike causing danger to his life.

I will read the statement issued to the meeting last night outlining some of Mr. Fitzgerald's problems as he sees them. Apparently, his herd was tested under the TB scheme in September 1982 by Mr. O'Neill of Cappamore and declared clear. Cards are available as proof of this. Mr. Fitzgerald claims that all his problems arise from that. He made verbal application for a herd test and change of veterinary surgeon in September 1983 from Mr. O'Neill to a Mr. O'Driscoll, Doon. Mr. Fitzgerald contacted Mr. O'Driscoll on numerous occasions between September 1983 and July 1984 about testing his cattle. Mr. O'Driscoll informed him that he had not received authorisation from the Department. Mr. Fitzgerald believes that departmental officers were wrongly applying the restricted herd rules to him and were insisting on a Department test before a change of veterinary surgeon.

Mr. Fitzgerald stated that he had no dispute with Mr. O'Neill but, as Mr. O'Driscoll was doing his private work, it was more practical for him to do the work under the TB scheme also. Mr. Fitzgerald was prosecuted and sentenced to 12 months in jail or a £1,000 fine for refusing to have his herd tested. He was arrested and taken to Cork jail on 18 July 1984. He then went on hunger strike and was released after 14 days. On Saturday and Sunday, 21 and 22 July 1984 — this is the nub of the problem as he and the community see it — while he was in prison his herd was rounded up and 96 cattle were removed by a number of veterinary officers and gardaí. No factory or office was open on Saturday and Sunday so it is hard to understand why they were removed on those dates. The departmental officials state that they removed 89 cattle; the factory state that they received 86 cattle — a shortfall of ten from the 96 on his lands. There was no representative of Mr. Fitzgerald present to ensure that proper procedures were adhered to.

The total herd was slaughtered even though only a small percentage was infected and, if he had been allowed to test them when he requested it six months earlier, he might not have had any reactors. A sum of £8,331 was lodged to his account in the Allied Irish Bank, Doon, County Limerick, as compensation for his cattle. To date he has not received an offer of further compensation and he has not been requested to sign any documents. Newspaper reports suggest that a sum of £27,000 to £34,000 is available to him. He and the community want to know why this sum was not offered to him or why he does not qualify to receive it if that is the case.

The Department closed down his farm and removed his stock. They have not, to date, notified him that he can restock, depriving him of his livelihood since July 1984. On his release from Cork prison he continued to protest that he had been unfairly treated for the following reasons: (1) refusing to allow him to change his veterinary surgeon and to test his cattle to enable him to sell; (2) statements in court that he was refusing to test his cattle when the same officers knew that he had applied for a test and a change of veterinary surgeon; (3) he alleges wrongful imprisonment; (4) closing down and slaughter of his herd and alleged irregularities between the number of cattle he had and the number admitted to the factory; (5) inadequate compensation for his herd — £8,331 for 96 cattle; and (6) he was deprived of his right to farm his land.

Mr. Fitzgerald picketed the Department of Agriculture offices and the homes of local officers. An injunction was granted restraining him from picketing but he continued to do so. He was arrested and placed in Limerick jail for contempt of court. He went on hunger strike on admission and he is now in his 20th day. He has ignored the pleadings of his family and many friends to come off the hunger strike. He states that the Department of Agriculture or the Garda have done nothing to solve his grievances since his release from jail in 1984. I understand there is an agreement between the veterinary unions and the Department that no change of veterinary surgeon will be allowed if the farmer was assigned the veterinary surgeon without the Department doing the test in between. Apparently, Mr. Fitzgerald contends that this was not explained to him and that he was not aware of such a condition.

I further understand that the Minister has discretion in the withholding of grants amounting in his case to £27,000 to £34,000. Everybody is at a loss to understand the secrecy surrounding the payment of these grants to him. This was the major worry, after the hunger strike, which exercised the minds of the community last night — whether he would be given a proper level of compensation for his cattle. Part of the lands and stock belonged to his brother who resides in England and he was also at a considerable loss. It is obvious from what we were told last night that he does intend to continue with his hunger strike. While nobody doubts ab initio he was wrong not to have his herd tested and I would be the first to criticise anybody who would endanger public health by not having their herd tested, nonetheless a stop clock is right twice in 24 hours. I will not say that there is fault on both sides but there is confusion. The reason why I have raised this matter is in the hope we will get some clarification as to how Mr. Fitzgerald might proceed in a proper, normal legal way to recover any losses he may have incurred in the matter.

The questions I was asked to put on behalf of the community last night and vicariously on his behalf, were (i) the number of cattle loaded at Michael Fitzgerald's premises on the dates I have mentioned; (ii) was an official or inspector from the Department present to supervise the loading? It is the understanding of the community that it is a requirement of the Department that an inspector be present at that particular time: and (iii) the number of cattle received at the factory and, equally, if there was a departmental inspector present at that time also. Hunger strikes are not new to Doon in County Limerick. They go back over the last 150 years. That consciousness is very strong in Doon. I will not go down that road. I put it to the House that any person who is prepared to undergo a 20 days hunger and thirst strike in the belief he is right must have his case looked at.

My own profession are in the business of solving problems. I put forward a possible solution to the problem at the meeting last night which was that some type of inquiry be held, not necessarily a public inquiry as I am afraid to mention such an inquiry after the Kerry Babies Tribunal which cost the State so much and out of which so little was gained. Positing the idea of a public inquiry may allow Mr. Fitzgerald to come off his hunger and thirst strike. Again, I express my appreciation that he has been transferred back to Limerick. That is a definite improvement over the last 24 hours. I am grateful to the Minister for that. As I pointed out to the meeting last night, if both the Department and Mr. Fitzgerald maintain that they are correct, neither should have anything to fear by an impartial public inquiry. The truth cannot contradict itself. Somebody must be wrong and I do not care who. As a result of such an inquiry — this inquiry could be carried out by somebody such as Mr. Con Murphy, the well known media and rights commissioner, who has knowledge and experience of farming-related matters and a background in the area—we might get to the position where we could establish what happened the ten cattle for whom this man is prepared to lay down his life. He feels very strongly that he has been wronged. Somebody took the cattle belonging to him. While we would all accept that he did not behave properly in accordance with legal procedures from the outset, nonetheless he does have a major sense of grievance. In the interests of common sense and humanity some modus operandi should be arrived at. I would ask for guidance as to how best this could be done.

I put down a Private Notice Question this morning when it appeared that the situation had become very serious so far as this man's health is concerned, perhaps even his life in the circumstances. The question was to ask the Minister for Justice if he would take immediate steps to transfer Mr. Fitzgerald from Loughan House Prison to Limerick Prison. Happily, he has now agreed to do that. The Minister is perfectly right and I was justified in putting down the question this morning. The question was disallowed for the reason that what I had asked for had happened. I accept that the Minister for Justice has made his contribution in so far as he can. He has limited opportunities in this matter. This is a civil matter. Mr. Fitzgerald is in prison on foot of civil orders in civil proceedings. It is not a criminal matter and the Minister for Justice has no jurisdiction to release him, which he would have if it were a criminal matter. Now that Mr. Fitzgerald is on his way back to Limerick I would hope he will now desist from his hunger and thirst strike to enable some kind of discussions to take place with a view to alleviating his grievances and problems.

He does have a very serious problem. He was a relatively substantial farmer. He owned 96 cattle. He now owns nothing. He has very little apart from his land and a very small amount of money. Mr. Fitzgerald does suffer from a deep sense of grievance and feels he has been deprived of a great deal of money. He attributes his problems in this respect to the Department of Agriculture especially for the way in which they enforced the regulations. I do not think anyone would deny, even Mr. Fitzgerald, that he was in serious breach of the animal health regulations. I do not condone that but at the same time I do not think, with a man who has a well developed and deep sense of grievance in regard to this matter, that the Department of Agriculture are right to take an entirely legalistic or bureaucratic approach to the matter as the problem may well start again if they do. It would be unreasonable of them if they were to do that. They will have to see it from this unfortunate man's point of view and try to come some of the way to meeting him in this regard.

Dr. Ken Whitaker has described the bovine TB eradication scheme in this country as perhaps the greatest scandal ever in the Irish public administration and the greatest waste of money. I am sure Dr. Whitaker is right but the Department of Agriculture are trying to make up for a couple of decades of lax administration in regard to a few people of whom Mr. Fitzgerald is one. I had two long discussions with an official of the Department of Agriculture on the matter yesterday. He has very courteous and explained the matter in full to me as they saw it. They feel legally they are right to refuse him the money which he feels he is entitled to. I do not doubt that legally they are within their rights to do this, but in my view their rights are only legal rights. When one comes up against a man who has a clear sense of grievance — he may be a fairly obstinate man in this respect and inclined to go to great lengths to try to achieve his rights as he sees them — I do not think it is right to push one's legal rights as a Department entirely against him. Some effort should be made by the authorities to meet him reasonably and fairly.

Mr. S. Byrne rose.

I cannot permit the Deputy to intervene in the debate.

I should like to express my support for the case made by my colleagues and ask the Minister to do what he can to sort out this sorry mess.

I have every respect for the case that has been made this evening by Deputies Prendergast and O'Malley to show their concern in this matter. I am perfectly aware that there is concern about this case. Indeed, I have been aware of the case for some time and I was the recipient of expressions of concern by my colleague. Deputy O'Donnell, who rang me at my home on Saturday night. I must say that I feel rather uncomfortable, to say the least of it, in being in the House discussing the personal affairs of a person who has been entrusted to my care by the courts. The person in question is now in prison for contempt of court, a point the House might wish to bear in mind during its consideration of the case. I am happy to be able to say to the House that, following consultations with his legal advisers, the person in question earlier this evening agreed to resume taking liquids, milk.

I am glad to hear that. I was up there last Sunday with him and I was afraid he was going to kill himself.

We might conclude in this event that he is taking food again, milk being a very complete food. Following that decision on his part I have been in a position to move him to Limerick Prison and he was transferred there this evening.

My only function in the matter is to provide for the carrying out of the order of the court which is that he be lodged in prison until such time as he purges his contempt. The substantive issues in the case which have been illustrated, not completely described, by Deputy Prendergast and Deputy O'Malley are a matter for the Minister for Agriculture. I will not attempt to go into that matter except to point out, in response to Deputy Prendergast's suggestion that there should be some type of inquiry, that the matter has already been the subject on several occasions of that form of sworn public inquiry which takes the form of a court hearing. The House should be a little reluctant to go behind the findings of the courts in cases like this.

Deputy Prendergast asked for advice as to how the case might be processed from here or how the person in question might go further. It is not our function in the House to give legal advice but I should like to point out that a change has been brought about in this matter following consultations by the person in question with his legal advisers. It seems to me that that might be a course he could usefully follow again. The final point I should like to make is to urge any and all persons who have any influence with the person in question to get him to desist from the course he is taking at the moment which is not related in any way to his being in prison or to the circumstances of his going there. Those people should use their influence with him to try to get him to stop using an instrument which I have to say is totally disproportionate and out of place in a discussion of this kind. I do not think it would be useful for me to say anything further than that.

Get somebody to pay him for his cattle.

Deputy Wilson seems to have very little else in mind other than to create mischief here this evening.

That is an unfair remark. The person concerned is closely connected with my constituency and he was in my constituency up to today.

There are a great many people in the Deputy's constituency involuntarily.

There are some very close people who are related to him. He is owed money and there are cattle missing. This is a disgrace.

I am not going to go into the substantive issues of this case.

Where are the lost cattle? The Minister will not impress me and he is not impressing very many others.

I am not going to go into those issues in response to remarks that can only have been made in total ignorance of the circumstances. I nearly called Deputy Wilson leather lungs, but I got into trouble here on another occasion for doing that. He is giving a fair example of that particular ability tonight.

The Minister may be as offensive as he likes but nobody gives him any heed any more. The Minister should get his fellow Minister to pay for the cattle and locate the ones that have been stolen.

I will adjourn the House if this does not cease.

The substantive issues in this case are for another Minister. I am concerned for the well being of this person and, indeed, all others who are entrusted into my care. I should like to ask all those who have any influence in this matter to bring it to bear in a way that will prevent a repetition of this most unfortunate occurrence.

The Dáil adjourned at 11 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Wednesday, 19 November 1986.

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