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Dáil Éireann debate -
Friday, 19 Dec 1986

Vol. 370 No. 16

Income Tax (Amendment) Bill, 1986: Second and Subsequent Stages.

I move that the Bill be now read a Second Time."

This Bill is being introduced at short notice because it is felt necessary to clarify the position in relation to the definition of income in computing tax liability. In recent days a succession of claims have been submitted to the Revenue Commissioners to the effect that health contributions, the youth employment levy and the income levy are deductible in computing income for the purposes of determining tax liability on that income. This is not the case and never has been the case and to put the issue beyond any doubt, it is considered desirable to introduce legislation at this point.

To put the matter in perspective, if the claims being made were allowed in respect of all taxpayers, the potential revenue loss to the Exchequer, to the country, could be of the order of £360 million. This, of course, is out of the question. As I mentioned earlier, a large number of claims were submitted in recent days. Given this volume of activity and the general uncertainty that has arisen, it was considered appropriate on this occasion to remove quickly any doubts about the legal position at this point. I do not know why the matter should have gathered such momentum in such a short period. There were rumours, apparently, that legislation was being prepared. There was, presumably, a widespread and mistaken belief that somehow claims made in advance of the legislation might be allowable. There is no basis whatever for this belief.

The technical background to the Bill is as follows. Section 110 of the Income Tax Act, 1967, provides that duties or other sums payable or chargeable by virtue of any statute on income which is assessed to tax under Schedule E shall be deductable for income tax purposes. The effect of this was to allow, up to 1973, the deduction for income tax purposes of contributions made under certain statutory pension schemes. The law relating to pension schemes was comprehensively revised in the Finance Act of 1972 and by virtue of section 17 of that Act the contributions under all statutory pension schemes are deductable from income for tax purposes. The present legislation, therefore, does not in any way affect the deductibility of pension contributions for tax purposes. I want to emphasise this.

The 1967 provision which I have just mentioned became redundant following the introduction of the 1972 legislation. The claims to which I have referred, however, attempt to use this 1967 legislation to support a case for allowing against income tax the health contribution and other levies introduced afterwards. There was clearly never any such intention by previous Dála and the intention of previous Dála is what the Bill confirms by removing the relevant part of section 110, with effect from 1973, which was the understanding, in any event in 1972 of what was happening. It has no other effect.

Since the introduction of the health contribution and the levies, the clear and unequivocal understanding has been that these charges fall directly on income. They have been so applied in all instances and taxation policy has been framed on this basis. I am satisfied that all sides of the House are in entire agreement about this and share my view that, in the event of doubt about such a critical issue, it is totally appropriate to confirm the position in legislation, as we are doing today. This legislation will remove any doubt or confusion that has arisen.

I should mention, of course, that the income levy has been terminated in any event with effect from 5 April 1986. The claims being submitted, however, attempt to open the issue of deductibility for income tax purposes for a number of years past. Potentially, several hundred thousand taxpayers are involved. The health contribution and the levies have made a big contribution to the State revenues since their introduction. The health contribution was introduced under the Health Contributions Act of 1979, the youth employment levy is yielding revenue since 1982 and the income levy operated in the period 1983 to April 1986. Over these periods the total revenue yield from these various sources was up to £950 million. Were deductibility to be allowed, it is clear that the revenue loss would be of such an order as to require some fundamental changes in taxation policy. At the end of the day, the average taxpayer would be no better off and in the meantime considerable confusion and difficulty for the continued operation of the many services that depend on the revenue from these levies would be generated.

It is important to recognise that the Government can spend only what they receive on their capacity to spend on various services such as education, youth employment and so forth, depends, among other things, on the amount received from these levies. In this case dealing with levies collected in the past, the money has already been spent on those schemes. There would be great difficulty for everybody if action were not taken in order to clarify the position. That is being done here this morning. On that basis I ask the support of the House for this Bill.

I have seen many reasons advanced over many years by Ministers on the necessity for legislation but I have never heard a Minister say that the reason legislation is introduced is to confound rumours that have been circulating, for which he says there is no basis. I want to quote from what he has just said in introducing this Bill. He said:

I do not know why the matter should have gathered such momentum in such a short period. There were rumours, apparently, that legislation was being prepared. There was, presumably, a widespread and mistaken belief that somehow claims made in advance of the legislation might be allowable. There is no basis whatever for this belief.

The Minister is telling us this morning that even if this legislation were not introduced the position would still be quite clear and secure as far as the Revenue and the liability to tax on these levies are concerned. He is introducing the legislation because of rumours that have been circulating. It is important, of course, always to reassure public opinion whenever we can. I note that the estimates as to the revenue implications vary in today's newspapers, depending on which one you read. The Irish Independent puts the figure at £250 million, The Cork Examiner at £500 million. The Irish Press at £250 million. The Minister has put the figure at £360 million. It is as well to be precise. The Minister has not satisfied us as to the necessity for this legislation and the manner in which it was introduced gives rise to very considerable reservations and anxieties on our part.

The trend in the House in recent times has been for emergency legislation to be introduced which has not been properly considered. It is not surprising that at a later stage loopholes and gaps are found in it. I have not properly considered the implications of this legislation because I only became aware of it this morning. I was in Carrickmacross and, because of road conditions, I only had a half an hour to examine the implications of the Bill. It is evident that the consideration we will give to this in an hour is totally and utterly inadequate. The trend in recent times has been to pass legislation quickly. The Bill ratifying the European Act did not get full consideration, the extradition Bill was not completed, the same applies to emergency legislation introduced by the Minister for Justice to cover problems in relation to summonses and to two Bills passed yesterday without debate. It is not surprising that I cannot remember their titles since there was no debate. This is outrageous, especially from a Minister who adopted as his fundamental priority reform of the procedures of the House.

The Deputy should stick to the Bill.

I heard the Minister crowing on the radio yesterday morning about the number of Bills that had been passed but he did not say that there was no real consideration of most of them. We cannot discharge our responsibility if there is not a full debate.

The Minister said that this legislation is necessary and we will assume this is so. However, fundamental issues remain to be answered. The Minister proposes to amend the Income Tax Act, 1967, by omitting the words "duties or other sums payable or chargeable by virtue of any statute where the same have been really and bona fide paid and borne by the party to be charged". Is the Minister satisfied that in sealing off this loophole in respect of the health contributions, youth employment and income levies, he is also excluding allowances that are properly deductible under other statutes which I have not had the opportunity of considering? For example, PRSI contributions could be affected although they are properly deductible. I should like to have clarification and assurance from the Minister that during the course of the hasty preparation of the Bill they considered that aspect. Is this the right way to achieve the Minister's purpose?

Section 6 of the Finance Act, 1979, says that in relation to the year 1979-80, or any subsequent year of assessment, subsections (3), (5) and (6) of sections 224 of the Income Tax Act, 1967, shall not apply or have effect. Subsection (1) (b), says that no relief or deduction under any provisions of the Income Tax Act shall be given or allowed in respect of any contributions paid under the Social Welfare Acts, 1952 to 1979, by a person as an employed contributor or as a voluntary contributor. Would it not have been more appropriate for the Minister to have introduced an amendment to that section of the 1979 Act to include, within the exclusion from relief or contributions paid under the youth employment, health contributions and income levies? It would have been a tidier and a better way to ensure that this would have been achieved.

The Government have had an inclination to introduce new levies for revenue purposes, they did so in 1979, 1982 and 1983 and, on each occasion, they should have made appropriate provision under section 6 to exclude them. However, that was not done, instead we got more gobbledegook in Finance Acts over the last four years than any parliament has ever been subjected to. They introduced new sections, subsections and amendments to seal off loopholes which might have been in legislation that has been introduced. We never knew when we were addressing the issue which the Minister proposed to adopt as the amendments came fast and furiously. It is no wonder that there are rumours, confusion and doubt. There has also been a lot of activity in finance houses in Dublin and elsewhere and customers have incurred extra expenditure in getting professional advice from accountants in dealing with this matter which the Minister says is not a problem. If that is so, why are we rushing this through in an hour? I repeat that a better way would have been to amend existing legislation, particularly the Finance Act, 1979. The Minister should have been careful when drafting the section we have before us and ensured that we will not exclude properly claimable relief under the PRSI contribution.

I want to say a few words about these levies. The Minister mentioned the total amount of £950 million. Whether the sum involved is £360 million or another figure which was mentioned in this morning's papers, it is obvious that we could not cope with such a loss of revenue because of the current state of the economy and the budget deficit.

The Deputy quoted section 6 of the 1979 Act. What is the full title please?

The Finance Act, 1979, section 6. I have the highest regard for the Minister's advisers but I wonder if anybody, including the Minister's advisers, had an opportunity in the short time available to consider the implications of what we are doing here this morning.

It would be horrific if the sum mentioned by the Minister were lost to the Exchequer. I am as conscious of that as the Minister, and we on this side of the House become more conscious of it every day as we face the prospect of trying to unravel the twisted, complex net which has been woven by this Government over the years, the extra burden of expenditure which will be passed to the next Government and the budget deficit facing the next Government. We on this side of the House always act responsibily and we will act particularly responsibly now because we know we will have to grapple with this problem very soon.

The Government collect approximately £80 million each year on each levy, particularly the income levy and the youth employment levy. I do not believe the people who now want to reclaim their tax would have any objections to paying the youth employment levy if they saw some results in terms of youth employment, but they have not. Despite the imposition of this levy we do not see youth employment growing, but rather youth unemployment growing at an unacceptable rate, and youth emigration adds to the problem. This is what the taxpayers are concerned about. They see their contributions have been to no avail. It is not surprising that the PAYE sector, those who have borne the brunt of the burden, feel totally and utterly deceived and angered by the Government's failure to create employment, the reason why this levy was deducted from their salaries.

I want to deal now with the justice of the issue. Now that this has come to a head does the Minister consider it fair to have no allowances in respect of tax liability in the normal course, in other words, that these levies are being deducted from gross salary, not net salary?

I am not an enthusiast for levies——

But the Minister could have done something about it.

The Government have removed the income levy. It is fair to say that levies in general complicate the tax system because there are two bases for change. The aim should be to move towards simplicity in the system.

Are we having a Second Stage debate?

We are on Second Stage. This morning the House agreed to conclude this business in an hour. The Deputy should bear that in mind and give other Deputies a chance to contribute.

I will be as brief as possible in order to allow other Deputies to speak, but it is not reasonable to expect that we can do our job satisfactorily in the time available to us. Is it fair, particularly in respect of the PAYE sector who have been grossly over-burdened by this Government, that these levies should be deducted from gross income and that income tax be paid at such a high rate? It is not always easy to ascertain gross income of other sectors, professional or self-employed, but it is very easy to put a fix on the PAYE sector. I acknowledge that the income levy has gone for this year, although £30 million has been collected from this levy this year as distinct from £80 million that would be collected in a full year.

It is only right that we have a statement from the Minister about what he considers to be fair and equitable in terms of the application of these levies. People who have already paid income tax are subjected to levies as if this were a net income on a par with that enjoyed by others. In conclusion, it is totally unsatisfactory that we should be asked to introduce this legislation in response to what the Minister called rumours. If these rumours are unfounded, we should not be here and if there is a foundation we should have more time to consider this legislation, even if it means coming back next week or sitting longer hours. I cannot understand why this point was not brought to the Minister's attention last week, or the week before, when we could have adjusted our business to have a proper debate on this very important matter. I have done the best I can in the time available and I hope the Minister will be able to give a satisfactory reply to the precise questions I raised.

Nothing declares as clearly as this legislation does the stamp of this Government, of the Fianna Fáil Party and of the Progressive Democrats when we see this legislation being rushed through in one hour on the last day of this Dáil session, probably the last day of this Dáil, at a time when tax avoidance is on such a massive scale. There have been massive marches about tax avoidance as well as tax evasion for the past decade. The Commission on Taxation addressed themselves to tax avoidance, the complexity of the taxation system and the need to reform that system to ensure that deliberate tax avoidance does not take place.

There is a huge scale of tax avoidance and it is greatly in excess of the figure of £360 million that the Minister mentioned. That is an unbelievable figure which the Minister pulled out of the hat. He said that if claims made were allowed in respect of all taxpayers it would be of the order of £360 million. How could it be allowed in respect of all taxpayers when all taxpayers are not paying the health levy, the youth employment levy, and the income levy when it was in force? There are only a certain number of taxpayers paying these levies week by week and they are the PAYE taxpayers. If they were paying accountants the same as self-employed farmers and corporations they would have discovered this loophole in 1973 or 1974, whenever the first levies were introduced. Just because they have now discovered the loophole the Minister, with the full assent of the Fianna Fáil Party and of the Progressive Democrats, can immediately introduce legislation to close this loophole. There is no precedent for that. Usually a Minister waits until the next Finance Bill to try to close whatever loopholes can be closed. Most of the loopholes are never closed. In this case it is not a loophole, it is plain justice.

What the Minister is imposing here will be found to be unconstitutional. The Minister is preventing tax deduction on four separate taxes on a person's gross income. If you have a gross income of £200 you pay the health levy, the youth employment levy and the income levy on that £200. Income tax is also paid on that gross income, which you do not have by the time the levies are deducted. If a PAYE taxpayer — there are few of them with sufficient money — brought these type of cases to court the whole PAYE system would be found to be unconstitutional. A person works the appropriate hours, does the appropriate job and should be paid a salary into his hand. It is up to people if they wish to evade paying tax, as it is for others. If they are caught, they go to jail for it. The PAYE taxpayers do not get the appropriate wage into their hands for the job they do. If that is found to be unconstitutional it would bring this Government and any future Government to a halt. If the PAYE taxpayers did the same as farmers and others who have found the tax system unconstitutional, it would bring the whole system down around our ears.

The Minister has shown total discrimination in this regard. He referred to the importance of these levies and said that the services would not be able to continue if the levies did not exist. The levies bring in £950 million and the services depend on these levies. The health services depend on the health levies being brought in. Unfortunately, the health levies are not brought in. The Minister quoted a figure of £41 million for health levies which are not collected. Youth employment levies are also not being collected and therefore the services are being interrupted, in the Minister's words, because of the lack of payment of these levies.

The income levy is now gone. The only people who regularly pay every penny of these levies are the PAYE workers. A number of these workers have realised that they should have been deducting the health levy, the youth employment levy and the income levy from their income before tax they began to claim, which they are quite rightly entitled to do. It is an extraordinary indictment of all the other parties in this House that this legislation is allowed to be brought in with the consent of the Whips and rushed through within one hour. It will prevent the PAYE workers from exercising their constitutional and just rights in having these amounts deductible before income tax payment.

It has nothing to do with the Constitution.

It has not been tested yet but if it was, it would be found to be unconstitutional, and a deprivation of rights. It is amazing that the Minister does not protect his Exchequer from other tax evasion. A week or ten days ago the Minister admitted for the first time that the amount or collectable outstanding taxes is £624 million. Prior to this Ministers for Finance always denied that such collectable amounts of taxes existed. Whether or not the Minister will ever be able to collect those taxes or whether he will have the guts to follow it through in Cabinet when he meets with opposition, I do not know. There are also health levies, youth employment levies and income levies which are still not collected. Even the figure of £360 million that the Minister gave fades when faced with those figures. There is little that can be said or done at this stage.

Only two Deputies in the House objected this morning to the short time allotted for this Bill. There was apparent agreement by Deputy O'Kennedy who asked if it is fair. I am sure he agreed to the Minister rushing through this Bill because if there is an election in the meantime he will be the one who will have to bring in a Finance Bill. His thinking is exactly on the same lines as that of the Minister for Finance, Deputy Bruton, as also is Deputy O'Malley's. They say that these people should not be allowed to get away with this. It is all right for those who have property to get away without paying property tax from which only £1 million a year has been collected, the lowest in Europe. The Government's commitment when they came to office in 1982 was to bring in £100 million in capital taxes. That has not been achieved. They are taking more and more money from the same group of people. The making of social welfare deductions from those on the lowest pay levels just before Christmas is an indication of the attitude of the Government; they think they can take it from people at the bottom of the pile but never from those on the top of the pile. I do not have the 1967 Act with me but I wonder where the words the Minister proposes to delete are. I understand from the Explanatory Memorandum that the new section re-enacts the original with certain words omitted. Where are those words in the Act? The explanatory memorandum does not make it clear?

In section 110 (1), lines 30, 31, 32 and 33. They occur after subsection (c).

I speak very much with tongue in cheek when I make contributions in the House on legislation like this. One part of my brain likes to see the Revenue Commissioners being caught by some astute accountant or tax adviser who has discovered a loophole. Such a discovery may help to justify the existence of accountants and solicitors. One side of me, having been a poacher and on the other side of the Revenue fence for years, likes to see them being caught out but on the other hand I recognise in my role as a politician that any Minister for Finance would have to bring in amending legislation like this to rectify defects in legislation. Otherwise the loss to the Exchequer would be enormous.

The Revenue Commissioners have always had one great advantage over the taxpayers in that if the rules go against them they can change them. If a taxpayer in an avoidance case can use a loophole to minimise his tax liability and win appeals through to the High Court, the Revenue Commissioners can change the rules. They will always win.

It has always been accepted under an old English case, ruled by Lord Denning, that the taxpayer is entitled to use every legal means available to him to hold on to his money and other effects. Over the years people have been successful when using loopholes in various Acts to minimise their tax liability. However, another development has occurred following a decision in the UK two years ago, Furnace v. Dawson. In that case the Law Lords gave a whole new interpretation regarding avoidance. It was their ruling that a person cannot use a scheme that is artificially contrived to ensure that he gets the benefits. They held that an artificially contrived scheme was no longer accepted. Up to that it was the spirit of the law that was accepted but in that case it was held for the first time ever that although an applicant may be technically correct in his case he cannot use a defect in legislation to avoid paying tax. That has caused many tax advisers many sleepless nights because it represents a major change in their laws.

The Revenue Commissioners have followed suit and are involved in a case before the courts at present. They are testing a case, brought by a number of taxpayers who produced a scheme to legally avoid paying tax, on the basis of the UK decision. It will be interesting to see how our courts rule on that. It will be a precedent case and an interesting one if one is to go by decisions handed down in recent weeks regarding summonses and so on. However, the Revenue set the rules and if they are caught with their pants down on a provision in legislation that should be it, if it benefits the taxpayer. The UK decision is an interesting one but I hope a similar decision does not follow here.

I am aware of the views of the Minister in regard to levies and I agree with them. They are what I call "excuse me taxes". They may be called residential property tax, health contribution levies or youth employment levies but they are just another name for direct taxation. They are introduced by Governments who do not want to call them PAYE or direct taxation. In reality the money is going into the same big bucket. However, when such "excuse me taxes" are introduced the Revenue are liable to run into difficulties like this. I am not blaming the present Minister for these taxes, many Governments have dreamed up different names to get more money out of the same pot, but I hope some future Government will do away with them. The represent another form of taxation and I cannot understand why we do not call a spade a spade. Had those levies been collected under the PRSI system rather than given another name there would not have been any difficulty. The Act clearly states that social welfare reductions will not fall into the category of a levy. That is another reason why we should do away with those "excuse me taxes".

It is wrong to advise the punters, those in the PAYE system, that they will get a lot of money back. They may get their money back but if the Exchequer loses so much money it will have to be collected in another way from the same group of people immediately. If there is a repayment the money will have to be collected under another guise. I have not studied the legislation in any great depth but it is obvious that as the Revenue Commissioners have acted with such haste they agree that there is a loophole in the legislation. The case may be fought in the courts but it strikes me as definite that the Department of Finance, and the Revenue Commissioners, consider that they are skating on very thin ice and will not be able to defend the claim successfully. Obviously, the Revenue Commissioners agree that there is a loophole obtaining here. The Minister has said that there is no need to worry about it at all but the reality in the higher echelons of the Revenue Commissioners must be that they recognise that somebody slipped up — I know this happens all the time in tax legislation — but there is that loophole there.

I am doubtful about the retrospection principle involved, in other words, I question whether it can be made retrospective to 1973. I question this type of retrospective tax legislation. I am doubtful that it will withstand all claims; people have made claims in the last few days. I am doubtful that a Bill passed today can be back-dated to override the legislation that obtained to date. It would be a totally new principle. In fairness to successive Ministers for Finance and the Revenue Commissioners, on very rare occasions only have there been tax amending Bills whose provisions were retrospective. They have always become effective from the date they were passed and closed the loophole from then on. Very seldom have they gone back over a long period to close off such loopholes. Indeed I do not think it can be done successfully. There have been various other loopholes people have used which have not come to the attention of the public as has this one. In every Finance Act coming before this House there are sections — perhaps not so obvious to the general public — closing off loopholes that some taxpayer has successfully exploited. In every Finance Act there would be three or four such sections closing off loopholes that somebody has already exploited.

But the provisions of this Bill appear to be retrospective and to say: "from that date you cannot successfully claim". That is a totally new principle being adopted by the Revenue Commissioners. I can readily see why because, as I said earlier, if these claims were successful it would throw matters into a state of total confusion.

In replying perhaps the Minister would say whether that can be done, for a start, and, second, if it is correct to do so. I would not have thought there was any great need to panic about the introduction of this Bill but for the difficulties that might be created in the short term. If people succeeded in exploiting such loopholes I could foresee the Minister for Finance including a provision in the next Finance Act that any gains arising to any taxpayer on foot of such exploitation would be taxed at some rate, say, next year or whenever, in the next Finance Act.

I should like to have a long discussion some time with Deputy Mac Giolla in regard to his attitude as outlined in the House this morning. I have heard him speak on many occasions of tax avoidance and evasion, when he was always against. He kept saying that what was sauce for the goose was sauce for the gander.

It is not sauce for the gander, it has stopped here.

But now, in order to defend his PAYE constituency——

Sexism, that.

He cannot have it both ways; if he is against it for one, then he is against if for all. At least I am consistent about its application whatever way I may put it. Deputy Mac Giolla appears to have two separate areas in his mind — the PAYE constituency and the other constituency.

The Deputy should be consistent at least.

Deputy Mac Giolla was not consistent because he is against it when it comes this way. The Deputy spoke about arrears of tax and so on.

It is amazing to note the speed with which the Department of Finance can move when some obvious loophole appears. I only wish that in the other areas of our economy where social legislation is needed Ministers for Finance could act as speedily.

I should like to thank the House for its consideration of this Bill. Deputy Mac Giolla raised concerns about tax evasion. I want to assure him that I share his concern and those of other Deputies about tax evasion. It was for that reason that I made a very comprehensive statement outlining the measures already in place and a number of others under consideration by the Government to deal with the problem of tax evasion. There is no doubt that the unacceptability of the present high levels of taxation faced by so many compliant taxpayers, both in the PAYE area and among the self-employed, is accentuated by the fact that they see other people avoiding their due responsibilities. There should not be any partisan argument advanced in this House about the need to stamp out tax evasion.

Deputy O'Kennedy asked whether I am satisfied that I am not also excluding allowances properly deductible under other Statutes. I can give Deputy O'Kennedy the categorical assurance on this point — it has been looked into very carefully and no legitimate allowances or deductions will be affected.

That categorical assurance is fine from the Minister on his feet but, what about in terms of the interpretation of the law as it stands? I think the Minister will find that people will have other views on that.

This matter has been considered by people with a very high level of expertise in this matter. That is the basis on which the assurance is given.

Of course the point should be made in general that if these levies were to be deductible, if one was to raise the same amount of money, one would have to have a much higher rate of levy. Therefore it is six of one and half a dozen of the other as to which way it is done. Equally, to take the matter further, if there were not to be levies at all — which would make for a simpler tax system, something I would favour in general — the rates of income tax would have to be higher if the same amount of money was to be raised from income tax. Now, of course, if one were to raise it in some other way, if one could, that might not necessarily be the case. There are not that many ways of raising taxation. The problem, at this point in our history, is that, as a nation, we are spending more than we should be spending.

An interesting point was raised by Deputy O'Kennedy, who suggested that this matter might have been dealt with by extending the items listed in section 6 of the Finance Act of 1979 rather than the approach that is being taken. I am advised that, while that is an alternative avenue that could have been pursued, it is not one that offers any better way of dealing with the problem than the way in which it is being dealt with. Nor am I saying that it is necessarily a worse way, it is just another way of achieving the same result and the one we have chosen is the one we have chosen.

Deputy McCreevy raised a question in regard to retrospection. As I understand it, the limitation which exists in general practice on retrospection in legislation enacted by the Dáil or Parliament, and Parliaments in general, is to the effect that no change in income tax or tax legislation should be introduced which would impose a tax charge on a taxpayer for a previous year, being a charge of which he was unaware at that time or deny him a relief for an earlier year, being a relief to which he thought he had full entitlement at that time. As we all know, it was universally believed that there was no deductibility of contributions in respect of these levies. Therefore, there is no question of retrospectively denying anyone anything they thought they had at the time. Therefore, the principle, if you like, against retrospective legislation does not arise in this case.

It is now 2 o'clock. As agreed on the Order of Business this morning I must now put the question.

Question put: "That the Bill is hereby read a Second Time, that the Bill is hereby agreed to in Committee, is reported to the House on Fourth Stage, is hereby completed and is hereby passed". Is that agreed?

Will those who are demanding a division please rise?

Deputies Mac Giolla and De Rossa rose.

Question put and declared carried.

In accordance with Standing Orders the names of those dissenting will be entered in the Journal of the Proceedings of the Dáil.

This Bill is certified a Money Bill in accordance with Article 22 of the Constitution.

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