Skip to main content
Normal View

Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 23 Feb 1988

Vol. 378 No. 3

Insurance Costs: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann calls on the Ministers for Industry and Commerce, Justice, Environment and Labour to jointly set a timetable of actions to reduce insurance costs over the next eighteen months and in the light of these actions to obtain the agreement of the insurance companies to appropriate reductions in the insurance premia that would otherwise be charged to the public.

Fine Gael are deeply concerned at the high cost of insurance in Ireland. It is a heavy burden for motorists, especially for young drivers. It is even more serious for employment. Many firms find the cost of employers' and public liability insurance prohibitive. It affects their prospects for survival.

Insurance costs are influenced by a range of factors which are the responsibility of many Government Departments and agencies. This dispersion is part of the problem. Our motion seeks an agreed action plan which will force them all to give the reduction of insurance costs a high priority. Our motion also insists that the insurance companies respond to the improved environment by definite reductions in the premia charged.

The features in the insurance industry that need to be addressed fall into a number of categories: (i) Cost; (ii) Availability; (iii) Competition; (iv) Safe Practice. There are many things that have contributed to the high and escalating costs of insurance in Ireland. For example: The Motor Insurance Bureau of Ireland (MIBI) is paying out £18 million — equivalent to £20 on the typical insured driver — in personal injury claims to the victims of uninsured drivers. It is claimed that up to 20-25 per cent of drivers are uninsured. The MIBI payments cover only part of the costs of uninsured driving. The cost of damage to property has to be met from insurance premia, and many innocent victims suffer loss with no compensation.

The legal costs of wrangling over liability absorb 20 per cent of the total claims paid out by insurance companies, which is never received by the victims being compensated.

Vehicle defects caused or contributed to one in 12 motor accidents. An exercise by the Garda in 1986 checking vehicles over four days, identified 261 vehicle defects. Of these, 192 drivers carried out the necessary repairs on request.

The cost of insurance is contributed to by the fact that the public have become "claim conscious". We are told that the frequency of whiplash claims in Ireland exceeds that in the UK several times over. The uncompetitive state of the insurance industry is also pushing up costs. The court settlements for injuries have been very high.

Another aspect of the insurance industry which should be addressed is availability. Difficulty in getting insurance at any sort of bearable cost is becoming very common. In some businesses it is virtually impossible for employers to get cover for employers' liability and public liability. More and more employers are being forced to operate without any insurance. This is a frightening development, when one considers the plight of victims of industrial accidents. There is no agreement with the insurance industry for dealing with "declined cases" for employers' insurance.

Voluntary and sports organisations have found that it is impossible to proceed with some of their normal events because the terms recently quoted for insurance cover are entirely beyond what a non-profitmaking body could face. The "declined cases" agreement with motor insurers has coped with many of the problems of availability of insurance for drivers. However, the system is too bureaucratic and it is often difficult for drivers to get the five written refusals from companies which is usually required. This needs to be streamlined. Lack of competition is clearly contributing to high costs of motor and other insurance. The growth in management expenses has averaged over 20 per cent per annum in recent years, about 1.75 times the rate of inflation.

There is huge variation in efficiency within the industry. Among the large motor insurers, general expenses range from 8 per cent to 20 per cent of gross premium income — equivalent to a range from £25 to £60 on a typical policy. This means some companies are unprepared for competition, and their clients are bearing excessive costs. Management expenses of insurers in the UK are less than two-thirds of those in Ireland. That indicates inefficiency and lack of competition in the Irish industry.

The Government have probably been over-generous to the industry in the length of time they have negotiated for transition to full freedom of competition in this area. The industry might have been asked, and should have been asked, to bear full EC competition at an earlier date. I recognise the Government went to great efforts to protect the insurers from EC competition in this regard but I wonder if the insurers are responding in kind to the Government's concern and if they are maintaining management expenses that are above the norm. If they are not responding by offering the type of recognition, for instance, to young drivers with a safe driving record, do they deserve the protection of the Government from the full rigours of EC competition law? After all, EC law is there only to protect the consumer. There is a direct conflict of interest between the consumer here and the insurer here. Bringing in foreign competition will tend to reduce the cost to the consumer. One wonders about the wisdom of the decision taken by the Government in that regard.

Along with improved efficiency, there is also a need for better services to the customer. There are many areas for improvement. There should be much more access for the consumer to information about the term of his policy, the structure of premiums and the level of commission and service charges so that the consumer can shop around freely. A code of practice should be introduced for brokers and agents to protect consumers from unfair selling practices; the industry should appoint an insurance ombudsman, to provide a simple mechanism for settling complaints by clients about their treatment by insurers, a scheme that has been both cheap and highly effective in the UK; and insurance practices that unfairly victimise particular groups, for example, disabled drivers still face a 10 per cent loading that has no actuarial foundation whatever. Even more unjust, victims of untraced drivers receive much lower compensation for personal injury than do victims of uninsured drivers, yet the injury has been the same. This practice has no logical foundation.

Fine Gael favour the legislation to abolish juries in civil actions. They urge the Government to treat this legislation as a high priority and to have it in law immediately. When we published our insurance discussion document last August there was a spate of commentary and media interviews from the Minister of State and other Government spokesmen promising all sorts of action about the insurance industry. I have no doubt about the Minister's good intentions, but he might recognise that announcing something does not make it happen. You can announce something as often as you like but it has not actually happened until it happens. In the case of getting rid of juries in civil actions that Bill is stalled at Committee Stage still and is no further on than it was when the Minister of State made so much about it in the way of the Fine Gael discussion document being published.

The operation of a new system in regard to jury trials should be closely monitored so as to ensure that it does achieve the promised cost savings, and that these are passed on in the form of reduced premia.

Fine Gael also favour further reforms, within the courts system, which would help reduce insurance costs. These include: the introduction of a book of quantum of damages to guide judges in making awards and to standardise the level of awards. This would reduce the recourse to court hearings as levels of damages likely to be obtained would be determinable in advance. One must recognise that damages in a particular case will vary. The loss of a limb or a faculty will have different effects on different people depending on their work. There should be regular conferences of judges to assist in achieving uniformity of treatment of compensation claims.

Fine Gael would also wish to see all restrictive rules in regard to legal representation removed if these have the effect of unjustifiably increasing costs to clients. The two senior rule is not the only instance of restrictive practices in the legal profession. I look forward to the report of the Fair Trade Commission on the matter, which I commissioned as Minister.

Fine Gael believe that there is scope for more preliminary meetings, with or without legal representation, of parties involved in insurance claims to reduce the frequency of recourse to court action. A forum should be established, with an independent chairman, by the insurance companies themselves to exploit such opportunities for preliminary meetings with a view to eliminating litigation.

Furthermore, I favour the introduction of formal pre-trial procedures to reduce the costs arising at court hearings themselves. The changes here could be along the following lines. The Master of the High Court should be mandated to introduce a system of pre-trial directions on the following matters: (1) the introduction of certain routine evidence, such as Garda statements and sketch plans; (2) agreement on medical, actuarial, engineering and other reports so as to crystalise any area of non-agreement; (3) furnishing and/or exchange of certain witness statements in advance similar to that which applies under section 21 of the Criminal Justice Act, 1984; (4) agreement on maps and photographs and certain exhibits and their admission in evidence.

I understand that, in recent times and on an informal basis, improvements in practice in these matters have been effected. The Supreme Court itself has indicated that account should be taken of failure to exchange information when cases do come to a hearing. An additional number of High Court judges should be appointed in order to eliminate any delays in hearing cases. The jurisdiction of lower courts should be increased in order to arrange for the settlement of cases in a less costly fashion in those courts rather than in the higher courts. The District Court limit should be increased from £2,500 to £5,000 and the Circuit Court limit from £15,000 to £30,000.

Damages awarded in cases of motor and employers' liability should be reduced in respect of the amount of any other compensation being paid to the victim, on the basis of the accident, either under statutory social insurance schemes or sick pay schemes.

The courts should also have the option of awarding annuities rather than lump sum damages to victims. This might well be a more appropriate form of compensation for many victims, while limiting benefits to victims and/or to immediate dependants which does not necessarily happen in the case of a lump sum. I would like to mention at this stage that I propose to allocate the last ten minutes of my time to Deputy Ivan Yates.

The Deputy may do that with the agreement of the House. Agreed.

The level of enforcement of safety regulations, and their scope, leaves much to be desired. Fine Gael believe that industrial safety law should be extended to all places of employment, rather than confined to about 20 per cent of these places, as at the moment. Fine Gael believe that the insurance industry should be prepared to contribute towards the cost of additional inspectors to ensure adequate enforcement of this legislation. We also believe that where an employer has introduced an improved system of safety procedures within his premises there should be an automatic right to a discount from the insurance company reflecting this improved safety prospect. It is not acceptable that the insurance company should wait for the actual claim record to show a decline before financially recognising the adoption of new, improved safety procedures in a place of work. Without an up-front financial incentive many employers will fail to spend money on better safety procedures and ultimately they rather than the insurance industry will be the losers from that.

Fine Gael believe that there are many actions that can be taken to improve road safety. Road accidents are themselves the immediate cause of high motor insurance premia. The high road accident record of younger drivers, in particular, is the reason for especially high insurance premia for young drivers. Any action taken to improve road safety, therefore, either for the generality of drivers or for young drivers in particular, will result in reduced insurance premia for motorists, both young and old.

The following measures should be taken to improve road safety, and thereby reduce insurance claims: (a) The introduction of a "restricted driving" system, similar to that which operates in Northern Ireland. Under such a system drivers would have certain restrictions placed on their ability to drive for the first two years after they have qualified for a full licence. Restrictions might include speed of driving, driving at peak accident hours, and a more strict blood alcohol level; (b) There should be a requirement to undertake "off the road" lessons at a registered driving school before issuance of even a provisional licence. At the moment people can obtain a provisional licence without any lessons whatever and have relative freedom to go on to the road after obtaining such a licence.

Fine Gael believe that the system of enforcement of road safety rules can be improved also by: (1) introducing on the spot fines for non-use of safety belts, and driving vehicles which have obvious dangerous faults; (2) extending to traffic wardens the power to detect incidents of obvious vehicle faults in vehicles parked in a traffic control zone; (3) introducing a system whereby motor cars belonging to uninsured drivers could be impounded. This is a substitute for the imposition of fines, many of which have proved extremely difficult and costly to collect. Mandatory disqualification from driving, save in very special circumstances, for a certain period might also be considered as a penalty for driving without insurance; (4) the introduction of a points system on people's driving licences whereby they would lose points as a result of a series of minor traffic infractions; an accumulation of minor traffic infractions, over a period, if it exceeded a certain amount, could therefore lead to the loss of a driving licence; (5) the introduction of automatic retesting of drivers after conviction for drunken or dangerous driving before they are entitled to resume driving with a full driving licence; (6) a concerted Garda enforcement and TV advertising campaign should be initiated to stamp out uninsured driving. Public attitudes to uninsured driving need to be changed. A concerted campaign, over a set period, combining advertising and enforcement is likely to have the maximum effect in permanently changing public attitudes and practice.

These improvements may sound somewhat radical, but it is fair to say that road safety lapses are the cause firstly of an immense number of deaths and injuries. Secondly, they are the cause of high motor insurance premia. Any measures, however radical, that improve road safety are going to be reflected very quickly, I hope, in reduced motor insurance premia, hence the need to think about some of the rather radical measures I have proposed just now. The insurance industry must give immediate financial recognition, in the form of reduced insurance premia, to those who adopt good safety practices. It cannot wait for the claims record to improve before granting such recognition; otherwise the measures will never be adopted.

The Government should put pressure on the insurance industry to adopt the following measures in this regard. First, they should introduce a system of no claim bonuses for employers liability and public liability insurance which does not exist at present. Secondly, they should introduce an "excess claims scheme" under which those being insured could obtain a lower premium if they undertook, under the terms of the insurance contract, to meet out of their own pocket claims below a certain amount without recourse to the insurance policy. Thirdly, where a firm undertake agreed safety procedures within their premises they should be given the automatic right to a reduced premium. Fourthly, there should be a discount of 5 per cent per year for young drivers who have accident free driving under the insurance policy of their parents or other adult relative. Fifthly, there should be a 20 per cent discount on the insurance premium for young drivers who have undertaken an advanced driving test. Sixthly, where older cars have been subjected to a specialised MOT type test, there should be a discount on the premium that would otherwise be charged for older cars, if such a charge is made.

In order to eliminate the possibility of multiple claims in respect of the same injury, the insurance industry should compile a central computerised register of individuals and motor vehicles in respect of which claims have been granted. There is evidence that a number of people are claiming to have received the same injury a number of times and they are, because of the lack of ability to trace the different claims in respect of different accidents, paid more than once in respect of the same accident. It is the same injury even though they claim it was caused on a number of occasions. There should also be a liaison in this regard between the insurance industry and the Department of Social Welfare to eliminate the possibility of multiple claims.

The cost of public liability insurance has been increased in recent times because the law has developed in a way that widens the grounds on which damages can be claimed against property holders where an outsider has entered on their premises and suffered an accident. Increasingly, property holders can suffer claims against them even though they have no culpability or negligence. Fine Gael suggest that the law be amended and clarified so that such claims would be reduced, if not eliminated, to take account of the following factors: first, whether the owner had consented to the presence of the outsider on his premises or to the activities being undertaken there which led to the accident and, secondly, that the claim should be reduced in respect of any negligence on the part of the outsider which contributed to the accident. This seems to be common sense but does not seem to be the law at present.

Fine Gael believe that the adoption of the measures I have outlined in this speech would reduce insurance premia considerably. The following are examples of the type of cost reductions which would be likely to follow: first, the abolition of the three counsel practice which could save 2 per cent of total claims costs, or £5 million in 1987 prices; secondly, less recourse to expensive court actions and greater consistency in awards which could save at least 5 per cent in total claims costs, or £12 million in 1987 prices; thirdly, the reduction in Irish management expenses to UK levels which would save £15 million in 1987 prices — that is the insurance industry's contribution — and, fourthly, if even a modest 5 per cent reduction in road accidents occurred as a result of the series of measures I have outlined, £12 million savings in claims at 1987 prices would be achieved. Lastly, there would be likely to be a reduction in uninsured driving from its present estimated level of 20 per cent to 5 per cent, at least thereby saving £20 million.

Overall, therefore, the measures I have proposed would knock £65 million off motor premiums, a saving of 20 per cent. This would be worth £80 on a typical motor insurance premium. Besides this benefit of cash in the pocket, a fairer system of insurance would be achieved and the harrowing pain and suffering of victims of motor accidents would be reduced.

It is important to stress that this Dáil motion is directed both at the Government and the insurance companies. To the Government I say: "I know that over the past 12 months you have given repeated lip service to measures of the kind advocated in this speech. It is time to stop talking and actually implement them." To the insurance companies I say: "Make sure that the measures you have sought, and which this motion advocates, actually result in real reductions in premia to the public." If the insurance companies simply absorb all of these measures and say "Thank you very much" but do not give any tangible and visible recognition of the effect of these measures in the form of reduced premia then the credibility of this entire exercise will be diminished.

I am glad to have had the opportunity of bringing forward in the House these detailed proposals for the reduction in insurance costs. I think the House will agree that my proposals represent a comprehensive package to deal with this problem. They require action by the Department of Justice in regard to court costs, action by the Department of the Environment in regard to road safety, action by the Department of Labour in regard to industrial safety and action by the Department of Industry and Commerce in regard to ensuring that the insurance companies pass these benefits on to the consumer. I think it is fair to say that this will happen only if the reduction in insurance costs is put on the top of the agenda of the Ministers responsible for each of those Departments. The Minister for Industry and Commerce, or his Minister of State, who are regularly wheeled out at insurance functions and other functions when insurance costs are discussed to talk about the subject have an undoubted political interest in ensuring a reduction in insurance premia. Nobody doubts their interest in the matter. The problem is getting the other Departments who have other priorities, whether it be housing in the case of the Department of the Environment, labour relations, law or employment in the case of the Department of Labour or security in the case of the Department of Justice, to give the same priority to the reduction of insurance costs.

It is extremely important that the House should pass the motion before it tonight because it will be saying thereby to all Government Departments involved — and I hope Ministers from other Departments will contribute to this debate, other than the Minister of State, Deputy Brennan —"put this item on the top of your agenda, have all of the measures implemented within the next 18 months and insist that the insurance companies pass on the benefits in reduced premia".

I should like to thank Deputy Bruton for having allocated some of his time to me. There is no doubt that in his speech, Deputy Bruton put forward the most comprehensive series of specific recommendations to reduce insurance premiums in this country that any political party had previously put forward. If the Minister or the Government simply implemented them, we would be able to move away from this crisis — because this problem is a crisis.

Even a summary look at the statistics of the Irish insurance industry will show the type of problem we are dealing with. I will quote three simple figures. Domestic gross premium income in Ireland went up from £377 million in 1980 to £897 million in 1986, that is, from under £400 million to almost £900 million in the space of six years. Over the same period from 1981, claims outstanding in 1980 funded by Irish insurance were £11.5 million and at the end of 1986 they were £55.5 million. Each year they have shown a staggering increase. The third statistic relates to the losses in the insurance sector. Property insurance and liability insurance have shown a steady loss over that period, reaching a high in 1983 of £97.1 million.

Of course, the consequences of this crisis are very clear. People in business cannot get insurance cover. Young people are finding it impossible to get a reasonable quotation for motor insurance. In the inner city areas we have restricted cover, or cover is refused because of the high level of crime. There is no doubt that, in trying to expand and maintain employment, employers are having huge difficulties with employers' liability insurance. Many employees went to work today who do not have insurance cover in the event of an accident, simply because it is prohibitively expensive. We have these problems, particularly in the construction industry. I know that Wexford County Council, for the first time this year in their Estimates, decided to cover their own insurance up to a certain level because they could not afford to pay the premium.

The history of this problem is varied. We have seen a huge explosion in the level of claims. For example, employers' liability claims shot up 35 per cent between 1979 and 1983. At the same time the workforce was reduced by 20,000. I do not believe that the work place in Ireland was more unsafe to such a level over that period. However, there is no doubt that people are more claims conscious and there is a tendency to move to what is perceived as the gravy train of claims. The level and volume of claims are a major problem. Another major problem is the insurance industry itself. In 1976 with the EC Non-Life Establishment Directive, 18 foreign insurance companies came into Ireland. There was very intensive competition. They did not get their portfolios in order and then they found they have huge losses because they had undercut each other excessively. We saw the collapse of ICI and PMPA subsequently as a result of these heavy losses. The insurance industry have a lot to answer for in the way they tried to deal with the situation in the late seventies.

The solution is quite clear cut and Deputy Bruton has outlined in some detail what needs to be done. I would like to reiterate some of the points he raised. There is no doubt that somewhere between 15 per cent and 20 per cent of the cost of claims paid out by insurance companies in this country goes on legal expenses despite the fact that only 4 per cent of claims are actually heard in court. Why are the legal costs so high? It is because we have the most archaic, inefficient, slow and out-dated courts and settlement system in Europe.

In the Joint Committee on Small Businesses — and this is not a point that Fine Gael have emphasised because it is a more long term point — we studied most of the developed countries in the western world and found in relation to the settlement of employers' liability claims that there was compulsory insurance for employers' liability and the insurance schemes were either funded through the State or by a private insurance company and were run on a no-faults basis. In other words, if someone fell off a ladder and broke his neck or arm, it did not matter whose fault it was and he drew compensation for that injury. In almost all countries compensation levels are set by a tribunal or on a workman's compensation system as it is commonly called. The advantages of that system are that you can say to the unions and those at work that everybody will be covered and you can say to the employers they will have a reasonable, quick, fair and cheap settlement that will be fair to all. I believe that would be equitable to all employees and would provide adjustable premiums for higher risk categories of employment and would, more essentially, widen the insurance pool of premium income to ensure that the burden is spread across the whole sector.

I believe that, in the long term the whole area of international developments — and I point in particular to the Swedish no-faults system of worker compensation — is something we will have to look at. If increases in premiums for employers' liability insurance go unchecked, there will be a further cost in jobs. As we have seen, the priority in industry today is how to reduce the labour force and to get labour costs down. This is one of the reasons, together with employers' PRSI, why people cannot afford to bear this continuing overhead.

Juries are undoubtedly erratic. Jury cases in terms of civil liability actions take longer and there is no doubt that the British system, the Kemp and Kemp settlement system where it is so much for an arm and so much for a leg and where there is a set precedent for a certain type of claim, is a much better system. A judge sitting alone would surely give far greater uniformity or greater consistency. As Deputy Bruton outlined in his speech this would result in a decrease in the volume payment of claims. I think it would be essentially fairer. Because of the highest common denominator factor, if someone gets a very big claim from a jury, all out of court settlements are based on that claim. This involves a cost to the insured community who are paying for that particular claim and it sets a norm which can be unduly unacceptable.

I ask the Minister to give a commitment tonight as to when the Courts Bill abolishing juries in civil liability High Court cases will be ready. I know it is a matter for the Minister for Justice but in the Joint Committee on Small Businesses one of the problems we found was that everybody blamed and referred things to everybody else and nobody said he would take responsibility for this or would ensure that the Government would act in one direction to get all the different segments of legislation together. I hope the Minister will give a specific commitment to deal with that point.

I welcome the decision by the Bar Council in conjunction with the Government to abolish the three counsel rule. This was entirely unacceptable and was a grossly restrictive practice which should never have been tolerated. I hope the same type of developments will take place with regard to pre-trial procedures. That would mean getting the medical evidence, the technical engineering evidence, out of the way so that £5,000 a day would not be spent hearing evidence in court which could have been done in an agreed fashion beforehand.

I believe also that the administrative overheads of the Irish insurance sector are too high. Technology presents new opportunities to the sector to cut costs as they have done in other countries. I am also concerned that brokers are paid on a percentage basis for their commission. That gives them a vested interest, although they would be the first to say the opposite is the case, in higher premiums. If a set table of fees was paid, irrespective of the scale of the premium, we might get premiums down more directly.

I want to stress to the Minister the urgent need to ensure that the problem is dealt with. Like many other problems in this country, we feel that once we have verbalised it we have solved it when, in fact, the problem is still there and everybody is agreed on what should be done but nothing has taken place. There is an urgent need to implement all the recommendations of the Barrington commission report of 1983 with regard to safety at work. There is no doubt that proper training and education have not been put into this whole area. Such is the seriousness with which we should take this matter and — I ask the Minister to take this matter up with the Minister for Labour — that in the workforce breaches of any safety code should be a disciplinary offence. It is extremely important, and the employees' interest, that safety is taken seriously and that we have the proper type of implementation of the framework legislation already set up.

In conclusion I think this motion is important, provided the Government act on it. There is a set agenda outlined in detail in Deputy Bruton's speech and outlined in detail in the Fine Gael discussion document whereby decisions are simply required to implement what is an agreed agenda for action in this area. By any European comparison the difference between Irish insurance costs and those of our competitor countries is unacceptable. We will have to take on vested interests within the insurance industry and vested interests in the legal system, who are well represented in this House, to ensure that the public respond in terms of safety. There should be new regulations for motor safety.

I commend the motion to the House. I hope the interest which the Government are showing in this motion will not be limited to these two days of debate but will extend to real action over the next year and a half and that we will see a reduction in premiums very rapidly.

The motion before the House is as follows:

That Dáil Éireann calls on the Ministers for Industry and Commerce, Justice, Environment and Labour to jointly set a timetable of actions to reduce insurance costs over the next 18 months and in the light of these actions to obtain the agreement of the Insurance Companies to appropriate reductions in the insurance premia that would otherwise be charged to the public.

I want to say at the outset that I have no difficulty in accepting that motion. The view of everybody in this House must be that insurance costs are too high. They are one element of industrial costs in this country that have gone way out of line. I took it as one of my priorities, when coming in as Minister for Industry and Commerce, to attack the whole area of input costs into industry, recognising that the uncompetitive situation in which this economy had found itself was a major contributor to the loss of jobs — and very serious losses there have been in the past number of years.

I shall go through the various initiatives we have taken and try to deal with the various positions with reference to other Departments. Deputy Yates and Deputy Bruton recognise that we are only one Department — unfortunately, with the least clout in the areas in which action needs to be taken. Nevertheless, we have, on behalf of the Government, a very strong vested interest in seeing that this problem is tackled and that those costs are brought down. There is widespread agreement, not alone in this House but throughout the country, that the cost of insurance in this country is too high and has been so for far too long. It is also generally accepted that the high cost of insurance is directly related to the number and level of claims, the underwriting losses sustained by insurers and the enormous expenses which arise when the courts are involved. Let me state at the outset that I am committed to tackling the heavy cost burden which high insurance premia impose on both industrial and household budgets. The cost of insurance must be reduced. The Government in their Programme for National Recovery pointed out that Irish liability insurance rates place many Irish firms at a cost disadvantage, particularly in comparison with their UK competitors, and went on to state:

The Government will move quickly to facilitate a reduction in costs by proceeding with legislation to abolish juries in personal injuries cases, by introducing legislation to give effect to the main recommendations of the Barrington Commission of Inquiry on Safety, Health and Welfare at Work and by promoting the introduction of safety audit arrangements by insurance companies. The scope for promoting the publication of a Book of Quantum of Damages, for introducing a pre-trial procedure system and reducing the level of legal representation in the Superior Courts to help reduce legal costs will also be examined.

The reduction of high insurance costs is part and parcel of the Government's overall plan to bring about a decrease in industrial costs, and to improve the cost environment for insurance generally.

I will deal later with the specific measures which have been taken or are in the pipeline in order to bring about such reductions. However, I want to dwell for a short time on the role of the Minister for Industry and Commerce in relation to insurance and on the problems facing the insurance market in the State. It must be emphasised that the basic role of the Minister laid down both by national and Community law is one of supervision of insurers in order to ensure that they are capable of meeting their liabilities and that they are solvent and remain solvent. It is not the Minister's function to tell insurers how to run their businesses, or to interfere with their right to accept or reject risks, to dictate the terms applicable to any insurance policy, or to interfere in their right to charge realistic premiums in the light of their underwriting experience.

However, insurers do have certain duties. These duties lie in co-operating in the measures taken by the State and the Community and in the provision of their services without undue selectivity in the acceptance of risks. It is a further concern that insurance should be provided efficiently and at reasonable cost. The cost of insurance cover has increased steeply in recent years. Many of the influencing factors are undoubtedly outside the control of insurers. However, I expect insurance companies to control those factors within their ambit, so that inefficiencies in the insurance sector do not give rise to costs which have to be borne by the community as a whole and by business in the highly competitive internationally traded sectors.

Insurers are subject to very strict supervision rules and are required to maintain various categories of reserves in respect of claims which have been notified but not yet settled, claims which have arisen which are due to be notified and claims which arise in the unexpired part of the period at the financial period end of the insurance company. The insurer must then use premium income to pay overheads and to meet due payments on claims. The balance of the premium income received represents the underwriting profit or loss. In addition to these requirements, the company are also obliged to maintain solvency requirements. Insurance companies are, therefore, subject to more stringent financial requirements than is the case with commercial enterprises in general. Insurers may legitimately require certain categories which represent a higher than average level of risk to pay higher than average premiums provided there is evidence to substantiate such loadings.

Consumers are more interested, not in the supervisory aspects of insurance, except when crises arise, but in the issues of cost and availability of insurance, particularly in the motor and liability classes. I recognise that there are problems in these areas. The reasons for these difficulties are almost wholly outside my direct power of control. We should, however, be aware that increased claims consciousness and a more litigious environment have a direct adverse effect on insurance costs. The greater awareness of many citizens in claiming their full rights and entitlements to compensation under the law has meant that many more claims are made nowadays in respect of events which ten or 20 years ago would not have attracted such claims. Undoubtedly, as citizens we value these rights and we would resist efforts to curtail their exercise.

The inter-departmental committee on liability insurance, which were set up some time ago, have already reported to Government with recommendations on a list of measures which could bring about a reduction in insurance costs. I would like to outline the rationalisation measures already taken and those in train in relation to personal injury cases and the high costs associated therewith.

Action is being taken now to change our court and legal procedures. The most important measure is the abolition of juries in civil injury cases. This is a matter primarily for the Minister for Justice. The Government have already approved the amendment of the Courts Bill, 1986 to provide for: (i), the abolition of juries in personal injury cases, with effect from 31 July, 1988 and, (ii), certain pending High Court cases to be remitted where suitable to the Circuit Court after the Bill comes into effect.

With regard to juries, it is understandable that ordinary jury members when deciding the level of awards in personal injury cases, (i), do not link the level of the award to the high cost of their own insurance; (ii), have a natural sympathy for plaintiffs and tend to discount any contributory negligence; (iii), perceive insurance companies as rich and well capable of paying up and, (iv), think that they could be a plaintiff some day.

It is also likely that trial by a judge sitting alone will of itself restore the correct position regarding the burden of proof. In other words, judges are more likely than juries to stick closely to the precise law in relation to the "duty of care" which one person owes to another, to sift evidence carefully and to make realistic deductions from awards for contributory negligence. It is expected that, following the abolition of juries, judgments will revert to taking closer account of contributory negligence which, in turn, will lead to a reduction in the level of damages awarded.

The abolition of juries in personal injury cases should also lead to, (a), more consistent and predictable awards, but not lower awards in every case, which would provide a more reliable framework for insurers to estimate outstanding claims — thus reducing their costs; (b) earlier settlement of cases and more consistent and predictable out of court settlements thus facilitating better scheduling of court business and shorter trials; (c) lower legal costs and in particular much less justification for the engagement of more than one counsel in a particular case; (d) more successful challenges to spurious claims.

The abolition of juries is not a panacea but it is an important step to controlling claims costs.

The Irish Insurance Federation have given a commitment to me that, — and I quote ——

when the Courts Bill 1986 is enacted by the Dáil, IIF members will agree to introduce a special no-claim bonus for drivers who have been named on one of their existing motor insurance policies, subject to the following conditions. The driver must: — hold a full driving licence for at least one year;

——have been named on the policy for at least two years;

—not have had any claims or driving convictions.

Subject to meeting the foregoing conditions, companies would grant the person involved a special discount equivalent to at least point 1 on their normal bonus scale which in practice would represent a discount of between 10 per cent — 20 per cent of the premium which would otherwise be payable. This is a very real and immediate benefit which will be available to young drivers later this year.

In addition to this specific commitment in relation to young drivers, insurers have stated publicly that whatever general savings accrue as a result of the abolition of juries will be passed on to policyholders. Even if award levels only cease to spiral and premiums stabilise at current levels, a significant real saving for policyholders will have been achieved. Insurance industry sources have estimated that a reduction of at least 10 per cent in insurance premium levels could be the eventual outcome following the abolition of juries. These savings will be passed onto policyholders. I am not saying it here in the House but I am satisfied that that will be the eventual situation. But it is important that the Government take their actions first and then demand the appropriate reductions from the insurance industry.

The Government are also pressing ahead with plans to establish a book of quantum of damages. A judge, sitting alone, with the help of a book of quantum of damages, is much more likely to deliver consistent judgment on award levels. I know that the Minister for Justice has initiated discussions with relevant parties with a view to involving private sources in the matter as happens in the United Kingdom. I would also hope that judges, when they start deciding these cases, will consult among themselves with the aim of fostering consistency of awards.

A further measure to reduce costs is the introduction of a pre-trial procedure system in personal injury cases to shorten trial times. Provisions along these lines are contained in the proposed Court and Court Officers Bill which is currently awaiting the views of the Attorney General. This Bill contains provisions which will increase the jurisdiction of the Master of the High Court and enable him to deal with a range of matters that at present must be dealt with by judges in court. It is also proposed to confer further jurisdiction on the master by rules of court. One effect of this will be that a system of pre-trial procedures may be introduced by rules of court which would provide that, before a case could be put down for trial, the master would conduct a preliminary hearing with a view to having subsidiary issues arising in the case settled, thus shortening trials. Any streamlining of the legal system which reduces costs must be welcomed.

While welcoming the recent voluntary decision of the Bar Council to reduce the number of counsel appearing in personal injury cases, the Government have decided to go further and give the Minister for Justice the power to limit the number of counsel in such cases. The norm in personal injury cases will be one except where the court certifies that a second, or in exceptional cases and for reasons stated, a third counsel is warranted. It is to be expected that cases requiring more than one counsel would be extremely rare, as most civil injury cases turn on matters of fact rather than detailed points of law. The legal costs of hearing claims can frequently be up to 40 per cent of the award. It stands to reason that the passage of the Courts Bill, accompanied by the reduction in the number of legal personnel involved, will lead to substantial reductions in costs and will lead ultimately to lower premia overall.

As regards the question of whether the assessment of damages could be done by a tribunal on an informal basis, the possible option of introducing a damages tribunal to determine personal injuries cases, as an alternative to the present arrangements for dealing with these cases, was considered but was rejected when proposals to modify the right to jury trial were being considered by the then Government in July 1985. Constitutional difficulties could arise in connection with any proposal to remove personal injury cases from the courts. The introduction of damages tribunals has been rejected also in Britain following examination by the Law Commission, and by the Royal Commission on Civil Liability and Compensation for Personal Injury — the Pearson Commission — in 1978. A damages tribunal which was introduced in Western Australia in 1967 was subsequently disbanded.

The Government are proceeding with a set of measures designed to bring about real improvements in the whole area of insurance and any further desirable changes, including changes to the legal system will be actively considered then.

The Inter-Departmental Committee on Liability Insurance have put forward certain recommendations to the Government in relation to safety and health at work in order to give effect to the main recommendations of the Barrington Commission of Inquiry on these matters. The Minister for Labour will shortly be submitting the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Bill to Government for approval. Again, there is a commitment in our Programme for National Recovery to introduce the necessary legislation in this area.

Consideration is also being given to expanding the proposed Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Bill to provide that safety policy statements and safety policy codes may be taken into account in establishing negligence in civil personal injuries cases as well as in criminal proceedings, subject to the advice of the Attorney General in the matter. I see the formulation of safety policy statements as bringing about some measure of predictability and objectivity in this area. It is inevitable, of course, that an employer's failure to achieve an objective stated in a safety statement may be regarded as a prima facie breach of duty. This is exactly the purpose of these safety statements as I see them, namely, to clearly set out the duties of all parties in the workplace. Insurance companies could then, if they wished, make it a condition of cover that the employer complied with his duties as set out in the safety statement. The concept would also bring about greater predictability, reinforce fault as the basis of liability and make it easier for the parties or the courts to apportion liability. As regards codes of practice which would consist of authoritative documents drawn up by experts and evaluated for approval by the proposed authority, the parliamentary draftsman is considering the issues involved in including a reference to civil personal injuries cases in the Bill.

If the general environment in which insurance companies operate can be improved, problems of cost and availability will diminish. With regard to employers and public liability insurance there is much that firms can do for themselves such as securing their premises from accidents, fire, theft, etc. Insurance companies take improved risk management by firms into account in reaching underwriting decisions on the availability of cover and its cost. Most companies employ risk control surveyors who conduct surveys on various aspects of safety control as well as providing a loss prevention service. Therefore, the onus must be placed on employers to provide adequate information to employees concerning the potential risks connected with their workplace and on the preventive measures to be observed by workers. The enactment of the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Bill, and the provision of safety policy statements and codes, should be of considerable benefit in improving matters in this area.

I would now like to address the vexed question of motor insurance. This has been an area of public concern and controversy for a considerable length of time. The high cost of motor insurance is frequently cited as a reason why some motorists disregard their compulsory duty to insure. The cost of motor insurance is high because: (a) accident numbers are high; (b) numbers of claims are high; (c) awards are high; (d) costs of claims are high; and (e) uninsured drivers are adding substantially to each premium.

While costs remain high, premia will also remain high. Insurance companies are not providing social services. They are commercial operations which must make money to survive. They must, therefore, charge economic premia if they are to remain solvent and be able to meet their liabilities to policyholders and third parties.

It is frequently suggested to me that as a means of reducing premia, the State should establish an insurance company which could charge lower premiums and allegedly make a fortune because every insuring member of the public would be obliged to seek insurance from it. This is just not feasible. If it were possible to slash premia and make a satisfactory return on capital, some insurance company would have done it by now. A Stateowned company would have to follow the same underwriting principles as the rest of the market, that is, take in sufficient premia to pay all claims. The existing companies have not managed to achieve this in recent years.

I would point out that since 1978 the motor insurance industry has failed to meet underwriting breakeven and has had to rely on its investment income to remain buoyant. So the question of unwarranted levels of motor insurance premia does not arise and the fact remains that insurance premia are necessarily high to meet the high cost of claims.

The cost and availability of insurance for young drivers is the most frequently discussed area of motor insurance. Insurance companies vary in their definition of "young" but generally it is taken to mean under 25s. The cost of motor insurance for young drivers is higher than for other classes because of the higher risk involved. A 1982 report on motor insurance calculated that while the average gross premium per car insured for the under 25 age group was 62 per cent higher than that charged for the 30-69 age group the claims paid and outstanding were 200 per cent higher for under 25s.

At present policyholders earn a no-claims bonus as a reward for claims free driving. Young drivers tend not to be policyholders and therefore do not earn a no-claims bonus. Many young drivers have several years of claims-free driving as drivers on their parents' policy, when they first take out insurance in their own name. Many of them get no credit for this. As I have already stated, they will reap an immediate benefit once the Courts Bill is enacted.

In addition to this, a number of insurance companies have already introduced more competitive rates for young drivers, in anticipation of the more favourable environment which the enactment of the Courts Bill will bring. One company, in particular, has capped the rates for young drivers and is providing cover for £850 for young drivers in the Dublin area and £700 elsewhere. This is the maximum charge. One company has already taken the lead as a result of discussions in the Department with myself and Deputy Séamus Brennan and I would have thought that others would follow. If all of the market followed this lead there would be more competition and younger drivers would benefit enormously. Obviously some companies are waiting for the implementation of the Courts Bill.

Availability of cover is not a problem for any age group of drivers. Cover is always available, if necessary via the declined cases agreement. This agreement provides that where an individual is refused cover by five insurance companies, cover will be arranged unless it would be contrary to the public interest to do so. Standard refusal forms have been agreed by the industry which should streamline the process further. No case in recent times has been referred to the Declined Cases Committee solely on the basis of age. The vast majority of individuals who are refused cover have been convicted of some offence under the Road Traffic Acts or have had an accident. I should point out that there are those who state that insurance cover is not available when what they really mean is that cover is not available at a price they like. We would all like to pay less for motor insurance. Very few people "like" their insurance premia. But most law abiding citizens realise that they must pay insurance premia regardless of whether they like them. When we get to the stage when everyone pays their correct premium, maybe we will all like our premium better.

One idea which has been proposed on a number of occasions is funding the present system of motor insurance by means of a tax on petrol. Proponents of the petrol tax system argue that as no one could escape the insurance net problem of uninsured driving and the inequity whereby insured drivers effectively subsidise uninsured drivers would be eliminated. It would also ensure that people pay only in relation to mileage driven and road usage. While this is undoubtedly true, there would also be disadvantages. A tax on petrol would place the Government in the role of collector of insurance premia. It would be administratively complex and would be very difficult to police in Border areas. It would add considerably to the existing differential between the price of a gallon of petrol in the Republic and Northern Ireland.

The discrepancy in price would provide an incentive for people in the Border areas to purchase their petrol north of the Border and could give rise to serious large scale smuggling operations. Additional policing of the Border and possible monitoring of individual retail petrol outlets would be necessary.

The idea of a tax on petrol is put forward as being a more equitable system. This is questionable in that it does not differentiate between the careless and careful driver. Under the present system, the careful driver qualifies for a no-claims bonus. The incentive to drive carefully or indeed to finance minor damages in order to preserve a no-claims bonus would be removed under the proposed new system. The element of equity introduced by having everyone included in the insurance net would be diminished by (a) the non-differentiation in the cost of premia between the more careful and careless driver, and, (b) the extent to which cross-Border smuggling is practised.

Estimates of the number of uninsured drivers are many and varied. The most common figure in recent times is 10 per cent, or maybe less of all drivers based on a preliminary roadside survey carried out by the Garda in April 1987. We can only refer to the number of prosecutions for uninsured driving — 73,625 in 1986.

The introduction of windscreen insurance discs in July 1986 was part of a continuing campaign to reduce the incidence of uninsured driving and to improve the insurance environment generally. The disc was not seen as the solution to the problem of uninsured driving but rather as an additional enforcement measure which would operate in conjunction with Garda checks on insurance certificates. The introduction of the insurance disc is undoubtedly a help to gardaí in identifying uninsured drivers.

The Road Traffic (Amendment) Act, 1984, provided for higher penalties for offences under the road traffic code including a maximum fine of £1,000 for uninsured driving and a mandatory disqualification of one year for second or subsequent insurance offences within three years.

At present there are no minimum fines for insurance offences under the Road Traffic Acts, though the PAC report had recommended a minimum fine of £100 for uninsured driving generally and a minimum fine of £350 in the case of a deliberate offence. I am currently investigating the possibility of introducing minimum fines. The level of fines being imposed in the Dublin Metropolitan District is being monitored and it appears that the maximum fine is imposed rarely in respect of insurance offences. Indeed the current average level of fine is a fraction of the maximum level of fine.

I am anxious that everything possible should be done to deter as many people as possible from driving uninsured and I am doubtful if the current level of fines possesses the required deterrent effect. I have, therefore, taken up the matter of minimum fines with my colleagues, the Ministers for the Environment and Justice.

There are no easy solutions to the problems of high cost and the difficulties some are experiencing in obtaining insurance. It is clear that the problems are a symptom of multiplicity of diseases and that insurance costs are directly related to the level and cost of claims occurring. For example, in motor insurance a large element of the cost must be attributed to the irresponsible attitudes of many motorists to driving and to the law. In the workplace, an improved attitude to safety by both employers and employees is needed in order to reduce the number of accidents giving rise to claims. Wielding the big stick and issuing directions to insurers to take on risks they do not want, at premia they cannot afford to charge is not the answer. Putting provisions in law to make it obligatory to quote for certain classes of business will drive up the cost so that the very worst risks can be provided for and quite probably result in fewer insurers wishing to compete here.

The Government have already put in train significant measures to tackle the problems of high cost and availability of insurance and we will be pressing ahead with further measures to facilitate the elimination of these problems.

I do not expect the environment in which insurance companies operate to change overnight. However, the actions already initiated by the Government, such as the abolition of juries in personal injury cases and the rationalisation of legal representation, have already produced assurances from the industry that real reductions in premia will follow once the improved framework gets underway.

The next year will see concerted action on the part of this Government to reduce insurance costs. The Minister for Justice will be tackling the sometimes exorbitant insurance awards, by abolishing juries in insurance cases through the Courts Bill. Action will also be taken to cut the quite outlandish legal costs involved in insurance claims which can amount to as much as a quarter of the total claim award.

The Minister for Labour will be promoting radical new legislation in the area of occupational health and safety at work which will have a beneficial impact on accidents and claims.

The Minister for the Environment will be bringing forward measures in the Road Traffic (Amendment) Bill to tackle the issues of uninsured, drunken and dangerous driving. These measures will include a reduction in the blood/alcohol level and the impounding of vehicles in certain circumstances. The Minister will be participating in this debate tomorrow night and will give full details of the measures he is undertaking.

All of these measures will prove that this Government are doing their part to improve the overall environment in which insurance companies operate. I can assure the House that I will be making sure that insurance companies play their part in this process also by passing on the benefits to consumers.

I have scanned the remarks of Deputy John Bruton and have taken note of the points raised by Deputy Yates. I have an open mind on this matter. Any suggestions that are feasible, constructive and can contribute to reducing insurance costs, in whatever sector, will be considered and, if considered practical, put into operation. I can give the House an undertaking to examine every practical proposal advanced when we shall ascertain whether it is capable of implementation.

I move amendment No. 1 to add to the motion:

"and calls in particular for the early reintroduction and passage of the Courts Bill 1986 to abolish juries in civil cases, a reduction in the number of lawyers in such cases, a simplification and speeding up of the procedures in such cases and consideration of whether the assessment of damages could be done by a tribunal on an informal basis, as in the Stardust and criminal injury cases, rather than by a Court."

The Progressive Democrats welcome the opportunity afforded to discuss this matter this evening. We found no problems at all with the Fine Gael motion. We sought merely to tease out in a more specific way points that have been covered on all sides of the House.

I accept the Minister's contention that insurance companies are commercial bodies and must be viable. With that in mind, one cannot expect them to charge premiums which would result in their being underfunded or which would place them in serious financial difficulty.

I question the whole aspect of insurance cover and premiums in respect of young drivers in this country. We must view this whole area in a more enlightened and educated way. For example, in the issuing of driving licences here we adopt an approach radically different from that of other countries. For example, in continental countries the issuing of a driving licence has a significant impact on its recipient. In continental countries one does not undertake one simple driving test but rather a series in very specific conditions, such as daytime driving, night-time driving, driving on wet or icy roads, all of which tend to emphasise the importance of that person being issued a driving licence, and his responsibility to his fellowman in his usage of the roads. The Minister could well examine this area — I recognise that it does not come directly within his responsibility — ensuring a more responsible attitude on the part of young applicants for driving licences.

With regard to the fines imposed on those found to be driving while uninsured it should be remembered that here people who are caught on drunken driving charges automatically lose their licences. I consider the driving of vehicles without insurance cover to be a crime of equal seriousness to that of drunken driving. I see no reason that somebody driving without insurance cover should not automatically lose their licence for 12 months, even on a first conviction, as is the case in regard to drunken driving. I know that the high cost of insurance cover here tends to lead to this lack of cover on the part of some individuals. Deputy John Bruton alluded to this matter in the course of his remarks. I would agree with him that the deterrent to driving without insurance is not sufficient. I noted that the Minister questioned the adequacy of the fines obtaining. It is my belief that young people are fully aware of the implications of driving a car while drunk. Equally they should be aware of the consequences of driving vehicles without insurance cover. It is my belief that the latter is not registering with them and I think it should be made to. We should consider whether our approach to the granting of licences is correct and question whether the penalties imposed for driving without insurance cover are adequate or sufficient to act as a deterrent to this practice. I believe the fines are not sufficiently severe. I believe they should be on a par with those imposed for drunken driving.

There has been unanimous recommendation for the early reintroduction of the Courts Bill 1986. The whole question of insurance centres on the provisions of that Bill. There is no doubt but that the abolition of the juries system is tremendously important in this respect. One of the major contributing factors to the high cost of insurance premiums is the exorbitant jury awards. Therefore it is of great importance that the jury system be abolished as soon as possible and the Courts Bill affords that opportunity. We have listened for too long to various arguments advanced in this area. While we have identified the problem we have not tackled it. We should remember that insurance affects every aspect of every citizen's life in some way or other; there is not a citizen who has not some direct involvement in some form of insurance. The need to do something about it has been bubbling under the surface for some time but has now come to a head. I am glad the Government have recognised the need to take urgent action in this respect.

I was surprised that the Minister did not refer to product liability insurance particularly as it will be affected by the EC Directive in this regard, which I understand will come into effect here in July next. The provisions of that directive would have a crucifying effect on manufacturers here while there is still a jury system being operated. Premiums will go absolutely through the roof. It should be noted that we are the only country of the Twelve with a jury system in this area. If our manufacturing industry is to be forced to accept this product liability they will find they will be unable to afford premiums for the requisite cover, bearing in mind that awards could be outlandish. It is my contention that the jury system mitigates totally against this product liability cover. This liability cover means that a manufacturer can be sued directly by the end user of his product. This means that all of those involved in the distribution, handling or sale of that product are implicated. Even were I to purchase a product and hand it on to somebody as a gift, if they, as a result, are caused injury they can sue its manufacturer directly. From my discussions with such manufacturers they have made it quite clear that if the provisions of the Courts Bill are not in operation, while the jury system still obtains, this product liability cover will cost them jobs, they will simply be unable to afford the premiums in addition to those already obtaining in this area. At a time when the Government are talking about job creation — and all of us on this side of the House recognise only too well the need for such — while we can encourage core businesses to expand it is becoming more obvious that, as technology takes over, the real spin-off in terms of jobs may well come from the service industries.

One of the main deterrents to young, enterprising entrepreneurs trying to set up a business is the high cost of public liability insurance. Scores of people have come to me about this problem because, on the one hand, the Government are encouraging enterprise in this area — many schemes are in operation to do something about it — but, on the other, there is the big stumbling block of public liability insurance. There is no problem in getting a quote but some of them are just beyond belief and are not relevant to the cost of setting up the business.

This problem must be looked at in regard to the manufacturing industry because, in relation to progress in this area, there is an inter-reaction and you cannot isolate certain factors, take them out when it is time to discuss them and then put them back again, which is what we have been doing for far too long. The question of insurance has an impact right across the board, it is not just relevant to one specific area or sector. It has a huge impact and we must do something about it. In regard to public liability insurance, certain companies have viable schemes which are capable of offering real employment but the problem is the development of their businesses because they are caught before they start with the cost of insurance.

The Minister said that there should be an incentive scheme for those in business who have shown a good track record. I agree, but it is only one of many factors necessary. There must be an incentive for companies to improve their standards of operation in many of the factories, safety guidelines in particular, which, in some instances, are adhered to at the very lowest levels. Some companies have been innovative in enhancing safety measures in factories and it would be in the interest of the insurance companies to show the manufacturing companies that those who are prepared to invest in the safety of their workers and the future of their plant — and who have an excellent track record in regard to claims — will receive benefits. If insurance companies offer these incentives, matters would improve because it would be in the interest of the employees to improve personal standards of safety in the factory. It would also be in the interests of the companies instead of penalising them and making them incapable of expanding.

In regard to motor insurance, the Minister outlined a number of points when he mentioned the high number of claims and the cost of awards and he said that uninsured drivers are adding substantially to the cost of each premium. We know what causes the problems but what will we do about them? I support the idea of a book of quantum of damages mentioned by Deputy John Bruton and the Minister because it operates in other countries. If a codified system is evolved by the legal profession it will lay down the guidelines by which awards can be made. One obviously recognises that the loss of an arm or leg may not be as much of a disability to some people as to others. The same compensation will not apply because one would have to take into account whether the person was an old age pensioner, a breadwinner or a young person. However, one can certainly set down the outline of what guidelines should be, including the minimum and maximum awards. This would have the effect of speeding up the whole process by which claims and litigation are processed. The removal of the jury system will, inevitably, bring about that procedure and it should be encouraged.

We also proposed some kind of a tribunal system which should also be able to operate in this area. For example, after the Stardust tragedy not a single claim was met for four and a half years. Hardship was caused to many people who had suffered serious injuries and who were in great financial difficulties. They were entitled to compensation and a decent life. When the tribunal was set up it took only three months to process over 200 of these claims. There is certainly room, in certain instances, for a tribunal system where the people involved do not have to go before a court with all the fears that brings in terms of judges and barristers in wigs, solicitors and so on. They should be able to go to a room where a judge and perhaps a barrister can simply assess the injuries, what caused them and the appropriate compensation. In some instances they have processed a claim from start to finish in 24 hours. We certainly should look at a tribunal system on an informal basis. I am not suggesting that it should be the norm but the option should be there as it would be very helpful to the people involved. The development of a book of quantum of damages would also help to speed up matters at tribunal level and the Progressive Democrats favour this approach.

The development of a book of quantum of damages raises another question mark. However, it should come into operation over a very short period because if you abolish the jury system you must have some other mechanism in place to achieve the end result. I know it will take time but the object of the exercise is to achieve lower insurance costs. All factors must be taken into consideration in this area. I am disappointed that the Minister did not say when he expects to bring forward the Courts Bill, 1986, as the whole debate hinges on this. None of the measures to which we referred will come into effect until the Courts Bill is passed by the House. That is the first obvious step the Government can take and it is why we included it in our amendment as we wanted to be specific in the steps we want to see taken. Indeed, the majority of Members support the Bill.

Debate adjourned.
Top
Share