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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 27 Apr 1988

Vol. 379 No. 10

Tobacco (Health Promotion and Protection) Bill, 1988: Second Stage.

I move: "That the Bill be now read a Second time."

The Bill which I have brought before the House today deals with one of the major public health problems of our time. It is a problem which arises from the consumption of a traditional consumer product, tobacco, which itself is the cause of an epidemic of illnesses and premature death. This epidemic is wholly preventable and the Bill is a further measure designed to control and reduce the consumption of tobacco products with a view to diminishing the toll of self-induced illness resulting from these addictive products. My concern with the discomfort, illness and disease suffered by passive smokers is also reflected in the manner in which the Bill is constructed.

Before discussing the detailed provisions of the Bill I feel it is important that the House should be made fully aware of the serious nature of the public health problem caused by smoking. Thirty years ago when smoking had become widely established it was not regarded as a health problem. However, the medical evidence which has accumulated since then is both damning and conclusive.

Smoking is now known to be associated with coronary artery disease, cerebrovascular disease, chronic bronchitis and emphysema, cancer of the bronchus, the lung, the trachea, the mouth, the throat, the pancreas, the bladder and the kidney. Those who promote and support the development of legislation of this type are often described as subjective critics, as being zealous, misguided or working on defective evidence. I would like to put it on the record of this House that the medical evidence worldwide against tobacco smoking is conclusive. The statistics on the effects of smoking on public health in this country are horrifying.

There are over 16,000 deaths each year from smoking related illness in Ireland and it is estimated that as many as 5,000 of these deaths are directly due to smoking. Put another way, 100 Irish people experience premature, and often painful, death every week, directly as a result of tobacco smoking. Thousands of other Irish people suffer from painful and debilitating diseases, such as emphysema and lung cancer, directly as a result of tobacco smoking.

There is also a popular misconception put around by subjective critics or those with vested interests that the people who die or who are disabled as a result of smoking are elderly and would have died anyway. Deaths from smoking related illnesses accounted for 52 per cent of all deaths of those aged 35-64 years in 1982. Smoking is the single most important cause of death in middle age. The damage to public health from tobacco smoking is of epidemic proportions and no Minister for Health could fail to take appropriate action to do all in his power to reduce the resultant toll of illness and death.

Tobacco smoking and its resultant illnesses also impose an enormous strain on the health services. Each year about 480,000 days are spent in hospital as a result of smoking-related illnesses. It is estimated that the hospital cost alone associated with these smoking-related illnesses is in excess of £50 million. The costs of our-patient services, general medical services, disability payments and days lost at work are likely to pose equally high costs to the Exchequer.

The Government have considered all the aspects of the tobacco issue and its implications and decided that public health considerations far outweigh the marginal economic impacts which a gradual reduction in tobacco consumption over a number of years will effect. Smoking is a social habit which directly affects public health, public policy, families and individuals. Many middle-aged adults are cut off in their prime leaving young families.

In addition to self-induced illnesses the medical evidence now indicates that the health effects of smoking also impacts on non-smokers through breathing in air which contains other people's smoke. This is called passive smoking. Until the late seventies researchers felt that this was simply a social nuisance, but they have now shown that it poses significant public health risks. Passive smokers breathe in the smoke that comes from the end of a lit cigarette as well as the smoke exhaled by the smoker. The unfiltered smoke of the smouldering cigarette is more dangerous than that inhaled by the smoker. Exposure to tobacco smoke leads to a rise in pulse rate and blood pressure. People with bronchitis, emphysema, asthma and chronic lung disease are all adversely affected when forced to remain in smoky atmospheres. Those suffering from certain forms of heart disease are vulnerable to any reduction in the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood as happens when they are forced to breathe in a smoky atmosphere. Similarly, people with angina are more prone to suffer attacks when exposed to a smoky atmosphere.

There is emerging evidence of an increased risk of lung cancer for non-smokers who are exposed to passive smoking for many years. The weight of evidence available indicates that about a third of the cases of lung cancer in non-smokers who live with smokers may be attributed to passive smoking. It is also estimated that about a quarter of the cases of lung cancer in non-smokers in general, may result from passive smoking.

Smoking is now a minority habit. Two thirds of the Irish adult popultion choose not to smoke. In addition, research has shown that almost half of those that continue to smoke admire those that do not smoke; feel that smoking is a dirty habit and that the rewards of smoking do not justify the costs. The research has also shown that almost half of smokers cannot break their addiction despite having negative attitudes to smoking and being aware of its harmful effects. Three-quarters of smokers indicated that they would like to smoke less and over half of all current smokers expressed a moderate to strong wish to give up smoking. Smoking is highly addictive and once you have become a smoker it is difficult to give up, even if you want to.

The actions which I am therefore proposing in the Bill support the wishes of the majority of smokers and non-smokers alike. The tobacco industry and the pro-smoking interests cannot present themselves as the sole representatives of the smoking population when over half of that population have indicated a desire to overcome their addiction. Recent research has also shown that 56 per cent of Irish smokers strongly agree that smoking should be confined to special smoking areas. The controls on public smoking contained in the Bill therefore represent the majority wish of smokers as well as non-smokers and there is not a majority of public opinion to support the argument that smokers should be free to smoke everywhere.

On 11 February the European Parliament adopted a resolution which welcomed the measure taken by various member states to introduce a smoking ban in public places and called on other countries to follow suit with a view to the complete prohibition of smoking, both in public buildings and in enclosed spaces which are open to the public.

The European Communities Europe Against Cancer programme has also targeted the reduction of tobacco consumption as the main priority in reducing the high levels of morbidity and mortality from cancer, in the EC. The programme was debated by an EC Council of Health Ministers in May 1987 which I attended, and there is widespread support amongst the member states for initiative aimed at reducing the incidence of cancer in the Community. Under the Europe Against Cancer programme, the Euopean Commission, by the end of this year, will be submitting to the council a proposal for the control of tobacco smoking in public places. The contents of the Bill are therefore in line with developments in the European Community generally. They are also in line with international developments.

By 1982, 31 countries had enacted legislation restricting smoking in public places. This number has increased continually since then. More than 80 per cent of the states in the USA make it illegal to smoke in certain places or mandate that smokers be segregated from non-smokers. In Belgium, for example, smoking is restricted in public transport, public buildings, hospitals and other health institutions, schools, theatres and cinemas. In this country the voluntary prohibitions on smoking on the DART services, introduced some years ago, and the more recent introduction of smoke-free bus services by Dublin Bus has indicated the popularity of these controls and the willingness of the public to abide by them. With little or no enforcement, an environment has been created overnight on the DART and Dublin buses which respects the rights of the non-smoker and, more importantly, it has been accepted by the smoker. It is heartening to see that once the conditions are provided the result required is actually attained.

The control of smoking in public places is also in keeping with developments in health policy. Shortly after taking up office I announced the establishment of a health promotion unit in my Department and the establishment of an advisory council on health promotion. The development of an emphasis on health promotion is an attempt to create, through public policy, an environment which is protective of, and conducive to, healthy living. The control on smoking in public places is the type of action which makes the healthy choice the easy one for the smoker and protects the health of non-smokers. It is the type of action which will be increasingly necessary if we are to reduce the enormous burden of preventable illness here.

The Bill, as drafted, is an enabling piece of legislation which gives the Minister for Health power to make regulations to prohibit or restrict smoking in a variety of public places. The places which are designated in the Bill are those in which there is a high level of public support for smoking control. They are all enclosed public places which smokers and non-smokers are forced to share. The discretionary power to prohibit or restrict smoking will allow me to consider the nature of the areas concerned and the duration of stay in them, before drafting my specific controls. In view of the growing evidence of the health risks of passive smoking it is imperative that the Minister for Health should retain the power to prohibit smoking totally in any area where he feels that the public health risks are unacceptable. An example that readily springs to mind in this respect is the maternity wards of hospitals.

Under the provisions of the Bill the owner, manager or person in charge of the public places in question has the primary responsibility for enforcing the controls on smoking. In the event that individual smokers fail to comply with the restrictions they can be fined a sum not exceeding £100. However, I would expect, on the basis of existing controls on smoking that there will not be any great difficulty in getting public co-operation with regard to these controls. In the event that prosecutions are necessary regarding the enforcement of these controls, I have made it an express provision of the Bill that it will be a defence for the owner or manager of the public place to show that they had taken all reasonable steps to ensure that the prohibitions or restrictions were enforced.

In addition to controls in public places I have included a number of other provisions which are necessary to update the law in relation to tobacco. Under section 3 of the Bill, I have updated the law on the sale of cigarettes to children. At present it is an offence to sell cigarettes to persons under 16, under the Children Act, 1908. However, the provisions of that Act, allowing for a maximum fine of £2 are well out of date.

Research has shown that smoking among schoolchildren is a significant problem. One study of Irish adolescents between 11 and 13 years of age found that 49 per cent experimented with smoking. The earlier a person begins smoking the greater the damage to health. The evidence indicates that if people had not started smoking in their adolescent and teenage years they are very unlikely to begin in adult life. The evidence indicated that we need to take a strong stand on teenage smoking and the provisions of section 3 of the Bill are designed to have this effect. I will be referring to under-age smoking again when dealing with section 6. Under section 3 any person who sells or makes available tobacco products to children will be liable to a fine not exceeding £500. Highly addictive products such as tobacco should not be made available to children under any pretext and the Bill has been drafted accordingly.

Since young people often purchase cigarettes from automatic vending machines section 3 (2) of the Bill is drafted to ensure that these machines are properly supervised. This is a common international response to this problem. In Canada a legal duty is imposed on the person in charge of a vending machine to make sure it is not used by children. Similarly, in Finland the sale of tobacco products from vending machines is permitted only where the machine is under supervision. Cyprus has banned vending machines altogether.

Section 4 of the Bill also deals with restricting the access of children to cigarettes. Under the old maximum prices orders for cigarettes, it was illegal to sell cigarettes singly. However, the previous Government removed this provision when they abolished the relevant maximum prices order. My Department consistently receive complaints about unscrupulous shopkeepers who break packages of cigarettes and sell them singly. Single cigarettes are a particular attraction to children with limited money and a desire to experiment with cigarettes. The provisions of section 4 of the Bill will outlaw this undesirable practice and should restrict further the current access of children to these addictive, carcinogenic products.

Section 5 of the Bill gives the Minister for Health the power to determine what additives are used in tobacco products and to prohibit specific additives which he thinks are particularly injurious to health. At present a voluntary agreement exists between my Department and the Irish tobacco manufacturers which achieves the objectives of section 5 of the Bill. However, this agreement does not extend to importers of tobacco products and the statutory provisions set out in section 5 will ensure that the Minister can treat imported and Irish manufactured products similarly. With the drive towards low tar cigarettes and the development of tobacco technology, an ever-growing list of additives and tobacco substitutes are being used in tobacco products. It is imperative that the Minister for Health should have statutory power to control these additives in the interest of public health, just as statutory powers exist in relation to the use of additives in foodstuffs.

Section 6 of the Bill deals with the evergrowing range of products known as oral smokless tobacco products. These are a range of tobacco products largely developed in the USA and Scandinavia which are designed to be used by being placed in the mouth and sucked or chewed. These products contain high levels of nicotine and this is absorbed through the mouth. They are highly addictive and are often marketed at people who wish to give up smoking but who cannot break their addiction. The section is thus preventative in this context and further strengthens our controls over under-age smoking contained in section 3.

The World Health Organisation has stated that smokeless tobacco is not a safe alternative to cigarettes. The World Health Organisation's International Agency for Research on Cancer has extensively reviewed these products and has reported that there is sufficient evidence that the oral use of both chewing and sucking tobaccos is carcinogenic to humans. A group of experts meeting under the aegis of the World Health Organisation in June 1987 called for a pre-emptive ban on smokeless tobacco, wherever possible, to prevent a new public health epidemic from a new form of tobacco use. The use of certain forms of smokeless tobacco has been prohibited in Hong Kong, Israel and New Zealand. The UK Government have now announced their intention to ban certain smokeless tobacco products under the Consumer Protection Act. The federal government in Australia have also announced a similar intention.

In 1985, when it was first proposed to import some of the new smokeless tobacco products into this country, the then Minister for Health made an order prohibiting their importation under the Health Act, 1947. This order was subsequently challenged in the High Court and in a judgment delivered in September 1987, Mr. Justice Hamilton found the order to be ultra vires the power of the Minister under the Health Act, 1947. The public health basis for the order was not an issue in the judgment.

Section 6 of the Bill currently before the House is intended to restore the effect and intention of the previous order and to ensure that no other smokeless tobacco products can be promoted in this country. To allow forms of nicotine addiction which are not yet established in the country to be promoted, particularly to our young people, would be irresponsible of me as Minister for Health. To allow new products and products not widely used, which are known cacinogens, to be marketed would be indefensible.

The remaining provisions of the Bill are of a more technical and routine nature, providing for the enforcement of the Bill. Section 9 of the Bill is included to amend the procedures whereby summary proceedings may be brought under the Tobacco Products (Control of Advertising, Sponsorship and Sales Promotion) Act, 1978. The revised section will make it easier to take summary proceedings under that Act. Sections 10, 12 and 13 are standard provisions and section 11 simply repeals the relevant sections of the Children Act, 1908, which will be replaced by section 3 of this Bill.

In conclusion, I would reiterate that I am bringing this smoking control legislation before the House as major public health legislation. The smoking controls proposed in the Bill are designed to minimise the risks of passive or involuntary smoking and to provide a healthier smoke-free environment. They will also help to deter young people from smoking by conveying the idea that non-smoking is the normal majority behaviour. They will provide support to the majority of smokers who wish to stop smoking and who want smoking to be confined to special smoking areas. Finally, they will enact a type of smoking control that has wide public support among smokers and non-smokers alike.

The restrictions on the sale of cigarettes to children are the minimum necessary to counter the increasing prevalence of smoking among school children, particularly young girls. The prohibition on the manufacture or sale of oral smokeless tobacco products is in line with international developments. It is a vital initiative if we are to ensure that the damage wrought to the present generation by tobacco products is not visited on the coming generations through new tobacco products.

In view of the fact that tobacco smoking is the largest single cause of ill health and premature death and that this Bill is designed as a major advance in tackling the problem, I commend it to the House.

Fine Gael welcome and support the provisions of this Bill which are very much in line with their commitment to preventive health programmes as being a major focus on future health policy. However, in the context of combating cancer and of smoking in particular, this Bill is perhaps a token effort because the Government are cutting back on all the major areas which need development in the area of health promotion.

The Minister has the gall to refer to developments in the health education promotion area which he still pretends to present to the House as an improvement in the situation although, clearly, in the past year there has been a disimprovement in investment and concentration on health education. We are also concerned that opportunities in relation to taxation were inadequately availed of in the context of discouraging people from smoking.

However, the Bill is welcome in that it strengthens the laws against smoking. It gives a political lead and indicates the seriousness with which we view smoking as a contributory to ill health. The Minister gave a good deal of detail on the impact smoking has on the health of the nation, in all the nations of western Europe and indeed anywhere where smoking is prevalent. The Department's document published early in 1987 declared that smoking is a major cause of premature mortality and morbidity. It estimated that 5,000 deaths per year are attributable to it, a shocking figure, yet despite all our efforts public understanding of how much damage they are doing to themselves on a health basis and how much damage we are doing to our economy in the context of the cost of coping with diseases resulting from smoking is still inadequate.

I welcome this Bill as a statement to the public that we politicians view this matter so seriously that we wish to give a lead in this way and to declare that smoke free public areas are what we should see as the norm for the future. We do so because of the very real health damages and risks a smoking environment provides. In that context the Bill is relatively unambiguous; it makes non-smoking the norm and ultimately the aim is to eliminate the smoking habit as far as possible.

This is one of a line of measures against smoking which commenced in 1979 with restriction on advertising, health warnings on packages, controlling advertising in relation to sponsored events and the prohibition on use of gifts to encourage people to take up smoking. The Bill is a welcome extra addition particularly because it deals not just with direct smoking but with passive smoking which is seen lately as a major area of concern where smokers are influencing the health, life expectancy and quality of life of people who do not participate in smoking. The Minister outlined, and I emphasise in the context of the Fine Gael view in relation to smoking, that there is still inadequate appreciation of just how serious a health risk it is. In the medical field many people who have tried to draw attention to it do not underestimate the enormous task facing them. One of our prominent cardiologists, Dr. Risteard Mulcahy, in an article in the Sunday Tribune earlier this year referred at length to the links between smoking and heart disease in the strongest possible terms. He said that to him smoking is the single greatest evil affecting the Irish population, that if you ban smoking you save thousands of lives and you will also free the funds being spent on the awful effects of smoking. He emphasised that there is a powerful lobby that affects the ordinary man in the street who is slow to accept and to change and needs all the leadership we can give to ensure that people break away from habits that are endangering them. It is not very sexy to talk about giving up smoking, it is seen as a boring, “do goodish” type of attitude, but it is very important for those who have responsibility in the health area to put forward the facts and issues constantly and seek to counter the enormous economic lobby from maintaining the smoking habit. Also it is important to try to bring the tobacco industry — consider its size — with us as far as we can, encourage them to diversify and give them incentives to find new areas to turn their energies and surplus investment capital to, if we are serious about seeing in the future a society in which smoking becomes less and less the norm and ultimately disappears.

Dr. Mulcahy suggested that we have absolute proof that smoking is killing 6,000 to 7,000 people a year and he indicated figures even in excess of that to which the Department had put their name in the document I have referred to. The task we have as legislators or people trying to direct public opinion and habits is underlined by the fact that the number of deaths caused by Sellafield arouses a great deal more public interest and concern than the absolutely proven, now undeniable fact that 5,000 to 6,000 deaths in this country are related to cancer. Dr. Mulcahy made this point. This indicates the extent of the task we have in educating people to act in an area directly under their control which would have a major impact on public health and public health spending.

In European terms the OECD report on finance and delivering of healthcare services backs up these findings in that it indicates that the four major causes of death are diseases of the circulatory system, cancer, external causes and diseases of the respiratory system. In all the countries covered by the OECD report cancer is one of the major causes of death and smoking, of course, is very closely related to that. It is often difficult to measure the impact of health services and so on, but in the area of mortality that is one of the measures by which we can judge the importance of any element or factors influencing the health of our nation and it is an absolute, incontrovertible fact that smoking is a major cause of illness in our society. Incidence of diseases caused directly by smoking — cancer of the lung and lung diseases of the respiratory system which the Minister referred to — is now being intensified by passive smoking which people who are themselves non-smokers are being exposed to as a result of other people smoking in their vicinity.

The direct effects of mainstream smoking on persons who smoke were emphasised by Dr. Luke Clancy in his study in the Irish Medical News of 10 April 1987 when he said, urging strict implementation of EC rules for the elimination of cigarette smoking, that more than 90 per cent of patients with lung cancer are smokers. In relation to passive smoking which this Bill tackles, again there is a great deal of documentation to indicate that the indirect effects are very substantial. In an article by Mr. Phillip Whidden published by ANSR, Edinburgh, Scotland in November 1987 he points out that sidestream smoking, as he calls it, has an effect quite different from mainstream smoking and that it is very serious indeed; it is the most dangerous type of indoor air pollution for non-smokers. Direct smokers also breathe smoke from nearby smokers.

Tobacco smoking can give non-smokers sore eyes, headaches, itching, sneezing, running of the nose, stuffiness, coughs, upset stomachs, dizziness, sore throats, wheezing and hoarseness. I have reason to know that it also causes special pain to wearers of contact lenses and can cause particular difficulties for them. Some chemicals produce smoke which is poisonous and more than 50 chemicals cause cancers. The fact that smoke is carcinogenic is the main reason we seek to discourage or control this practice in public areas. Tobacco smoke is 90 times more powerful in bringing on lung cancer in non-smoking desk workers than asbestos, which is virtually banned from all working environments.

One of the most worrying elements is the effect of smoking on children. All women in our maternity hospitals are warned that smoking can have effects on the unborn child. Children of smokers are born smaller and have a greater number of handicaps and deformities. These are not scare statistics. They are the results of scientific surveys. The fact that this information is available but that people have not adequately changed their behaviour indicates the enormity of the task we face. The Minister needs all our support in implementing the broad spirit of this Bill, but there are many other measures we should also like to see.

People with allergies can experience severe problems in the company of smokers. Passive smokers are more likely to die from heart disease than non-smokers who do not spend time in a smoke-filled environment. The effect of passive smoking is not absolutely established scientifically but evidence that it is a very serious problem is growing steadily and will continue to pile up over the years. It stands to reason that passive smoking must have a major impact on health. In one European country compensation has been awarded to a widow whose husband died of lung cancer having worked for years in an office with smokers. It was accepted by the court that this had an effect on the contraction of lung cancer and its development. The Minister is addressing the question of passive smoking and we welcome the provision to control smoking in specified public areas.

The Minister rightly identified under-age smoking as an important area of concern. I welcome the provisions relating to this problem. However, it is extremely important if this Bill is to have an impact that there should be a major public information programme aimed at young people. The Irish Cancer Society have a programme aimed at the nine to 11-year-olds in association with the Health Education Bureau. I hope the Minister will confirm that this remains a priority and will be expanded. People need access to full informatioin. Those of us who are reading these documents daily would need to be witless not to succumb to the evidence presented to us but many people do not have access to this information. We must bring home to people the reality of the effects of smoking.

I am concerned that this Bill will be merely a token gesture in the European campaign against cancer. It is easy to bring in such legislation at a time of cutbacks since there is no cost to the State but if we are to effect a change in the utilisation of tobacco we must embark on a serious campaign which will reach out to people in the public education area. It is regrettable that educational programmes in life skills seem to have disappeared from the Minister for Education's agenda. The Minister for Health could have worked very closely with the Minister for Education to ensure that a good deal of time was given to the question of diet and healthy lifestyles. The Minister might confirm that this programme is being maintained and outline whether he intends to back up this legislation with a programme aimed particularly at youngsters. Without such a programme this Bill will have a very limited effect. I hope the Minister will give a positive response, although information recently gleaned at Question Time regarding the level of personnel and resources in the health education area shows that there has been a drastic reduction in activity.

I referred earlier to the question of taxation. All the European programmes recommend that taxation measures should be used to create an anti-smoking environment. It was extraordinary that petrol was singled out in the last budget for the greatest imposition of tax while cigarettes got off relatively lightly. This was in the context of a European consensus regarding the taxation of cigarettes and a national recognition that there is a health aspect to cigarette taxation. It is surprising that the Government did not choose to be clearer in the message they were signalling. Economic factors have an impact on the level of smoking and this was a missed opportunity. Progressive taxation should be a factor in creating an anti-smoking environment. It is certainly an unusual situation for the Minister that people are offering to find ways of raising money. I did not get a satisfactory response at the time as to why the Minister chose this balance of taxes and as to why the Department of Health do not see this approach as an important element in discouraging smoking, and I would like the Minister to respond to that on Second Stage.

Another important area is in regard to treatment programmes. People who have become addicted to cigarettes and nicotine are as addicted as persons on other drugs. Professor Risteard Mulcahy, in the article I referred to earlier, outlined how an intensive treatment programme is necessary to break people from the habit and said that they suffer quite serious withdrawal symptoms. I wonder if the Minister has anything to say about this. I know it is not directly related to the Bill, but it is an important element of dealing effectively with the problem. The Minister himself outlined that many people are anxious to break the habit, and even when they are convinced they find it difficult and need help to do so. So legislation of this kind can only be part of a broad package, and I would be concerned to ensure that all elements are making progress at the same time.

I would also be interested to see what other areas of the general campaign against cancer the Minister plans to deal with. I accept that that is probably not appropriate to this Bill, but I hope the Minister will let us know in due course of the other initiatives he proposes to take to participate in the European campaign against cancer which is due to be up and under way by 1989, which is quite close.

In relation to the Bill itself, section 3 deals with the question of establishing that it shall be a defence to have taken all reasonable steps. Could the Minister indicate what sort of steps would be likely to be accepted as reasonable, because obviously if this area is woolly it will affect the impact of the Bill. I am also a little concerned in that I had hoped that the Minister in opening this debate would have been more forthcoming as to where he was thinking of using the powers conferred on him initially, since this is essentially an enabling Bill. He did indicate that this was the practice in other countries but that his own thinking was at an early stage. I hope that by the end of Second Stage he might be in a position to let us know in what way he proposes to use these measures, because I am sure he was not seeking them without some intent to use them.

On the control of vending machines, they are often in foyers and uncontrolled areas. Is it the Minister's intention that as a result of this, vending machines would have to be in a supervised area and that if a person under 16 or 18 can be proven to have bought cigarettes from a vending machine the owner will be responsible and could be charged with an offence? Perhaps the Minister would indicate how he sees this working, as a number of Deputies have said that these machines would be unsupervisable in reality.

Section 4 may be too broad in stating that any person who offers to sell or make available to a person cigarettes otherwise than in packets of ten or more shall be guilty of an offence. I agree with the spirit of that. It is right to close off that loophole; it is entirely wrong that youngsters should have access to single cigarettes which makes it easier for them to develop a habit. However, the use of the phrase "or makes available" could be interpreted to mean anybody who offers a cigarette to somebody else or could include the practice at receptions and dinners of putting a packet of two cigarettes by every place. If this were simply confined to selling, that problem would be dealt with. It is in the area of selling to youngsters that most of the problems are occurring. Perhaps the Minister will look at that section.

In relation to regulations — and this is a debate we have on nearly every piece of legislation — I believe that confirmation of any regulation should require active confirmation by the House rather than allowing the regulation to pass unless it is annulled. Regulations under this Bill would have wide public impact and they should get active confirmation here in the House.

Having raised those relatively minor matters I would like to welcome the Bill as another weapon in the fight to promote healthier habits and greater understanding of the impact of smoking not just on the smokers but on those around and about. It is a huge task. Legislation alone will not do it. It is exceedingly important that the health promotion area of the Department takes this on in an enthusiastic way and that greater resources are allocated for it next year so that we can participate in a very full way in the European campaign against cancer and comply with as many as possible of the proposals in that campaign so that we can see serious progress in relation to the disease which, by the Minister's own admission, is causing 5,000 to 6,000 deaths in this country every year.

On behalf of the Progressive Democrats I would like to welcome the Bill the Minister has brought before the House and offer our congratulations to the Minister for taking this initiative. When one thinks of the generations of smokers who have struggled trying to break the habit knowing full well that it was doing damage to their own personal health, it seems strange that it has taken so long for legislation of this type to be brought before Dáil Éireann. It is very late in the day as the consensus among scientific experts was arrived at many years ago that smoking very positively affected people's health. The staggering statistics that the Minister has repeated here in the House today and the fact that we continue to condone smoking on such a large scale in our society, are a terrible indictment of our society.

All of us in public life have a duty to do whatever we can to reduce the amount of smoking in our community, to assist, to comfort and to aid those who have been smoking for a long period. We have a duty to encourage them to give it up and to find ways in which they can be assisted. The prevention of smoking as proposed in the Bill will assist to a limited extent but the Bill is lacking on other areas. The Minister has not come forward in his speech or in the Bill with positive proposals as to how he can help those who are already hooked on the habit to break it. It is essential that measures, such as these, be introduced and that every effort be made to discourage the new habit being formed among the youth of our country.

In the area of primary prevention, it is necessary to persuade people to take more responsibility for their own health. Health, as we know, is costing the tax-payers vast sums of money. Massive deductions are made from pay packets, weekly and monthly, to sustain the health services which have been built up in this country. We have had long debates during the past year or so about the cost of health and the cost effectiveness of the expenditure in the health area. Much greater emphasis must be placed on each individual's duty and responsibility for their own personal lifestyle, resulting in better health for themselves.

It is essential that the message be got across effectively about the need for increased physical activity, control of diet, control of weight, avoidance of smoking — which is the subject we are discussing today — and, of course, the control of alcohol consumption. If greater responsibility was taken in these areas by each individual in our society, our health bill and our tax burden, arising from health costs, would be very sub-stantially reduced and we would have a much happier and healthier community.

The research which has been carried out has shown very conclusively that the single most compelling fact is the absolute havoc being created for the health of this nation by cigarette smoking. It has taken the medical profession some time to arrive at that broad consensus. Despite the near unanimity among the majority of medical experts, we still find the vested interests — the tobacco companies — spending vast sums of money employing the scientists to try to disprove the proof that has been brought forward by medical science about the damage that has been caused.

I have before me a document which was circulated to Members of this House — certainly to the health spokespersons — by the Irish Tobacco Manufacturers Advisory Committee. All the arguments contained therein seek to disprove or discredit the scientific judgment made about the bad effect that cigarette smoking has on people's health. As one who smoked very heavily for many years I would not need to open the first page in that type of scientific document to prove to myself that it is damaging to people's health. Anybody who has smoked is well aware of the effect it has on their own personal health. From my own former lifestyle I am aware of the damage it can do to one's health.

For too long our health policy has been geared towards spending huge sums of money on curing illness and not nearly enough is spent on prevention and advising people on how to remain healthy, stay away from hospitals and stay away from the need for expensive medical treatment. It is only in recent times that the Department of Health have begun to put the thrust in that direction. When one looks at it logically one wonders why this thinking took so long to emerge among the experts. It is clear that any investment in positive health is a good investment in the long term because it will reduce the need for an expensive and an elaborate health support system which we have here.

It is a tragedy that Ireland has one of the highest levels in the world of heart disease, strokes, cancer — especially lung cancer — and of bronchitis. These four illnesses, I understand, impose the greatest financial burden on our State, yet most of those illnesses are relatively easily prevented. Smokers get three times as many heart attacks as non-smokers. That is a true statement and a very sad fact, that it has that terrible effect on people's lives. Yet, because of the social attitude to smoking here we have been very lackadaisical in the steps and measures we have taken to discourage smoking in our society.

Great credit is due to the Minister's predecessor, Deputy Desmond, who took a tough stand on the issue. I compliment the Minister, Deputy O'Hanlon, on the steps he is taking now because the vested interests are strong and are fairly active. I know there are many people employed in the tobacco manufacturing industry who are very concerned about their own employment. The desire to protect people's jobs should not influence in any way Government measures to improve the health of this nation. There is an obvious responsibility and duty on the Government to promote a healthy community. In promoting a non-smoking policy, there is an obligation and a duty to support those who, up to now, have traditionally had employment in that industry. The Government should actively get involved in assisting in redeployment for those people. That would be good national policy rather than leave them to the vagaries of the open market place. I have no doubt that with a postive approach by Government and progressive legislation such as we see here introduced and expanded, that in 20 years there will be very few people smoking in this country. It is a worldwide problem in the western world.

Despite the success and the realisation on the part of so many adults on the need to stop smoking, there is evidence of increased smoking by young children. The age at which they start smoking is getting lower and lower and more and more of them are smoking. A sad fact is that a large number of schoolgirls are now smoking. I am pleased the Minister has mentioned that in his contribution. With all the scientific evidence which is available, it is tragic that so many young schoolgirls are taking up the smoking habit. Obviously, there is need for a very strong and positive policy to be applied and aimed at those young people to inform, advise and to encourage them not to persist with this habit and for those who have not started not to take it up. It would need to be pitched at a very low age grouping.

Much of this comes from the example which the young people get from their own parents. The duty does not rest merely with the Department of Health or the Minister for Health; it lies especially with parents. The teachers have a role to play but the primary obligation rests with parents to ensure that they do not cultivate in their own children this habit or encourage it in any way. That example will achieve most success. Recent scientific evidence of the damage to people's health from passive smoking, of a non-smoker being present in an area where somebody else is smoking, is a matter of very grave concern. It has led primarily to the Bill before us. I expect that the House will pass this Bill unanimously, although there may be need for some minor amendments to the sections as proposed. But the Bill will not be of any use without the regulations it enables the Minister to make. I hope that we shall not see too long a delay between the passing of the Bill and the introduction of the regulations and their rigid enforcement.

Debate adjourned.
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