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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 12 Dec 1989

Vol. 394 No. 4

Supplementary Estimates, 1989 (Resumed). - Vote 44: Forestry.

I move:

That a supplementary sum not exceeding £942,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of December 1989, for salaries and expenses in connection with Forestry, Timber Processing and Amenities and for payment of certain grants and grants-in-aid.

The Supplementary Estimate is required to fund additional payments related to afforestation by the private sector, net savings on other subheads of the Forestry Vote having been taken into account. Additional expenditure of £1.519 million arises under Subhead D of the Forestry Vote, which provides for grants for afforestation purposes including promotion thereof, while additional expenditure of £136,000 arises under Subhead E, which provides for agency payments relating to private forestry.

Deputies will be aware of this Government's emphasis on forestry as a key national development activity. A fundamental aim of the National Development Plan is to “stimulate the growth needed to reduce unemployment, to raise productivity and to begin to increase per capita income towards average Community levels”. Forestry is an economic activity well suited to contribute to growth, employment and general development. its value as a national investment is that it provides the raw material for a whole industry, creates wealth and employment, diversifies the economic base of rural areas, and provides an alternative and profitable land use for farmers and landowners. The area under forest in Ireland is currently only 6 per cent, compared with an EC average of 24 per cent, and when we consider that the growth rate of Irish forests is particularly good, yielding a third more timber on average than UK forests and that the UK imports more than 90 per cent of its timber requirements and the EC about 50 per cent, the advantages of increased afforestation are abvious.

Forestry has been targeted in the national plan as a major area for development, the stated objective is to increase substantially the area under forest. Our specific aim is to achieve a national annual planting rate of 30,000 hectares by 1993, a doubling of the rate achieved last year. Planting by both the public and private sectors is set to break all records again this year, at a total of 18,400 hectares. Deputies will be aware of the operations of Coillte Teoranta, the State forestry company, in this sphere but it is afforestation by the private sector which is showing the most spectacular expansion and which is particularly the subject of this Supplementary Estimate.

Afforestation by the private sector this year is expected to reach 8,400 hectares, compared to the 6,500 hectares estimated at the beginning of the year. The projected figure itself was an increase on the record planting achieved in 1988 to 5,200 hectares. The significance of this extraordinary achievement by the private sector can be highlighted most dramatically by comparing it with the planting rate in 1981, the year in which the western package grant scheme was first introduced, of only 275 hectares.

Afforestation by the private sector is encouraged and supplemented through grant schemes administered by the Forest Service of my Department as follows: the EC assisted western package, which was launched in October 1981 and revised in 1988. This provides for the payment of grants for the afforestation, that is new planting of land in designated disadvantaged areas throughout the country. Grants are payable at the rate of 85 per cent of approved costs for farmers and 70 per cent for others, subject to a maximum of £800 per hectare. This scheme also provides grants for the construction and reconstruction of forest roads serving privately-owned forestry plantations in disadvantaged areas. The grant payable here is 80 per cent of approved costs subject to a limit of £12 per linear metre. Seventy per cent of all expenditure under the western package is reimbursed by the EC. The forestry development scheme for agricultural holdings, also EC assisted, which covers the afforestation of agricultural land by farmers. Grants are payable at the rate of 80 per cent of approved costs subject to a limit of £550 per hectare for conifers, plus an additional £300 per hectare for broadleaves. EC reimbursement for this scheme is 25 per cent. The grants for private forestry, a State scheme, which is funded solely by the Exchequer and covers the afforestation and reaf-forestation of land throughout the State. Under the last revision of this scheme which took place in November 1987, grants are payable at the rate of £500 per hectare for conifers and there is an additional £300 per hectare for growing broadleaves.

The growing interest in forestry has resulted in an increase in both grant applications and payments and, therefore, in a greater than anticipated expenditure by my Department. The bulk of planting grants in 1989 will be taken up under the western package scheme. Planting under this scheme is expected to be in the region of 7,700 hectares with the remaining 700 hectares taken up equally between the other two schemes. The take-up by farmers is expected to be about 50 per cent with the remainder taken up by individual members of the public and by investment companies. The bulk of the planting is expected to be in counties Mayo, Galway, Clare, Kerry and Tipperary.

My Department now operate various promotional and educational measures to increase awareness of the benefits and techniques of forestry. For example, my Department are liaising with Teagasc in the promotion of forestry among farmers, which includes participation in public meetings and field days to increase farmers' awareness of the attractiveness of forestry as an investment. The Department are also involved in courses at the agricultural colleges to introduce young farmers to the concept of forestry on the farm. In addition, forestry promotional stands are erected at various events such as the Spring Show and the National Ploughing Championship.

The development of private forestry is also greatly assisted by the services of private forestry contracting and investment companies, several of which have emerged in recent years. These companies bring afforestation within the reach of those who may not have the knowledge, skills or facilities to undertake forestry projects themselves. A full range of services is provided by these companies, from the selection and purchase of suitable sites up to the ongoing management of the established forests and the provision of financial services. Among the financial services on offer is a forestry fund, for investors who prefer to spread their investment over a mix of new planting and semi-mature woodlands, and bridging facilities for the capital-intensive forest establishment pending the receipt of grants. Facilities such as these have encouraged increased private investment in forestry.

Significant developments have also taken place in recent years in the area of silviculture. Most important has been the realisation that land quality is of prime importance in the choice of ground for planting. There is an increasing appreciation that altitude and exposure have negative influences on the growth potential and quality of trees grown for commercial purposes. There has been a gradual movement from the more exposed sites to enclosed lands which are marginal for agriculture, but which can give attractive returns for forestry. Ground preparation techniques such as mounding, mole draining and ripping have greatly enhanced tree stability and windthrow can be significantly reduced by such treatment.

There is a growing awareness of the interaction, both positive and negative, between forestry and the environment. The harmony between the two, which must be maintained, is reflected in the particular duties placed on Coillte Teoranta in the Forestry Act, 1988, to have due regard to the environmental and amenity consequences of their operations and in the grant schemes for the private sector which make compatibility with the environment an essential consideration.

The expansion of forestry has led in particular to recent concern about its effects on water quality for trout and salmon. I am happy to say that, following extensive discussions between representatives of my Department, the Department of the Marine, the Central Fisheries Board, Coillte Teoranta and the Irish Timber Growers Association, much progress has been made in developing guidelines for afforestation, particularly in sensitive areas. I hope to announce these in the new year, and to make their application mandatory for grant purposes: I expect that this will go a long way to alleviate fears on this matter. The guidelines aim to reduce the interaction between forestry and fisheries to the minimum consistent with the development of both these important resources to their optimum potential.

The Forest Service also operate a free technical advisory service for the private sector on forest establishment, management, protection and road construction. This work and the inspection of planted areas is currently undertaken by Coillte Teoranta on an agency basis. Payments to Coillte Teoranta are made from subhead E, and expenditure from this subhead in 1989 is also likely to exceed the original allocation because of the increased number of applications for technical advice and planting grants and the additional costs to Coillte Teoranta of dealing with same.

While the advisory and inspection service has been provided by my Department free of charge up to now, certain charges are to be introduced in 1990. These will apply only where inspections for grants have to be repeated because the original plantation was not up to standard, and where advice on a management plan for a forest is given before a felling licence is issued. The fees to apply are £10 per hectare for repeat visits and £20 per hour for advice related to felling licences, and it is envisaged that these will realise a total of £20,000 in 1990.

Continued expansion by the private sector will play an important part in achieving the targets set in the national plan, and I confidently expect that with the continued support of the advisory and grant schemes, planting by that sector alone can reach 15,000 hectares by 1993.

The further net allocation of £942,000 to private forestry in 1989 will bring the total expenditure in this area this year to £5.631 million. This level of expenditure will generate £2.746 million in EC funding as well as employment in forest establishment, private nurseries and private forestry contracting companies. In the longer term, the resulting increased level of afforestation will lead to an increase in domestic timber production, with the accompanying employment and economic benefits.

With the permission of the Chair I should like to give two minutes of my time to Deputy Deenihan.

The Deputy's generosity has to be in accord with the wishes of the House. Does the House agree to that? Agreed.

Deputy Deenihan must have something very important to say when he is looking for two minutes. When the Bill establishing Coillte Teoranta was going through the House we were given to understand that adequate finance had been set aside to cover all eventualities. It appears that the money sought by the Minister tonight is to cover the cost of increased planting by the private sector. I do not think we can object to that allocation. There has been disquiet in the private sector because of the competition Coillte Teoranta engage in. I was glad the Minister on Thursday announced that as far as private planting was concerned he was re-absorbing into the Department those who are carrying out the inspections for Coillte Teoranta. I should like to compliment him on that move because there were doubts about the intentions of some of the foresters although I do not think that was fair to them.

All Members would like to see a breakthrough in regard to forestry. Lip-service has been paid by all sides of the House to that sector. We have heard a lot of talk about its potential and in the most recent national plan there were excessive employment projections. The Taoiseach described that document as an historic publication but in his view all documents produced by the Government are historic. I hope the Minister for Energy does not make any historic leaps between now and the summer.

The Deputy can relax.

Unlike the Taoiseach, the Minister has not claimed that 300 jobs will be created by Coillte Teoranta in the lifetime of the national plan. Most people were amazed to hear that Coillte Teoranta would be creating 300 jobs. I do not think that figure will stand up. I accept that the Government, anxious to project the best image, engaged in a big PR exercise on the publication of the national plan. At that time figures were plucked from the sky but that did not do justice to anybody, least of all to this fledgling industry.

On many occasions I appealed to the Minister to request Coillte Teoranta to promote a semi-mature timber market. My reason for doing so was because Coillte Teoranta, and the private sector, would benefit from such a move. In particular, the farmers would be encouraged to get involved in forestry. I am disappointed that Coillte Teoranta have not made any great strides in regard to semi-mature timber. In fact, the Minister has told us that Coillte Teoranta intend dropping the idea of selling semi-mature timber. That would be a retrograde step and I hope it does not take place. Money will not be attracted into forestry unless people can dispose of the asset after a certain number of years and do not have to wait until the end of the cycle. The Minister should bear in mind that the money being used is mainly from pension funds. If it is not used for the development of forestry it will be invested abroad.

We should encourage people to get involved in planting marginal land. The Minister did not mention in his speech compensation repayments to farmers. Will he consider increasing the limit of compensation amounts to £10,000 in an effort to make this a more attractive scheme? That limit should apply to all timbers. We must set targets. I leave it to the Minister to distinguish between the different types of land, whether it is marginal or bogland. I had hoped the Minister would announce a more progressive scheme to attract private investment in forestry. I am pleased that that activity has been successful but it is important that we encourage more private investment. Farmers and co-ops are getting involved in forestry and I understand that Avonmore have planted up to 2,000 acres. Other southern co-ops are anxious to get involved and that represents a progressive move.

We must at all times be aware of the environmental difficulties involved in forestry. There should be liaison in regard to this between the Department of the Environment and local authorities. In the course of his speech, the Minister outlined the authorities involved in the protection of our waters but he neglected to mention the Department of the Environment or the local authorities. Reference is made to his Department, the Department of the Marine, the Central Fisheries Board, Coillte Teoranta and Irish Timber Growers but no reference is made to the Department of the Environment or the local authorities. It is my experience that local authorities in putting together their county plan need guidelines. The Forestry Department have the resources to get in touch with the Department of the Environment and county councils to see how the afforestation programme can progress.

I intervene to advise Deputy Carey that some two minutes now remain of the time available to him. I understood he wanted to give two minutes of his time to another Deputy.

I have two minutes left.

No, inclusive of the time he hopes to give to the Deputy. If he going to concede two minutes he should give it to the Deputy concerned now.

In any case I have given the Minister enough food for thought.

In relation to conifers, I agree with the Minister when he says we have made great progress, but in relation to broad-leaf and deciduous trees I must agree with him because we have made no progress at all. In fact, there has been widescale destruction of our deciduous forests. As far as I can see, there is a very lax conservation policy in this area.

In the limited time available to me I wish to ask the Minister to outline his Department's policy on the proposed sale by Coillte Teoranta of Ballyseedy Wood in County Kerry. This is a very shortsighted decision, as this wood is now more than 200 years old and there are 80 acres of deciduous trees and over 60 oak trees there. I understand the Taoiseach has a personal interest in the preservation of these trees. There are several species of tree in this wood which should be kept in public ownership.

I appeal to the Minister to ensure that this wood is not sold to private enterprise to be cleared away but rather developed as an amenity for the local people in north Kerry as it is now the only remaining deciduous wood there, an area which was very heavily clad with broadleaf trees in the past. It could be developed for various educational and wildlife purposes. I would appreciate it if the Minister in his reply would dwell for a moment on the preservation of Ballyseedy Wood and on his policy on the development of the broad-leaf tree population.

In 1984, a review group was set up to examine how the State could maximise its return from State forests as they matured. That review group reported to a former Minister, the former Deputy Paddy O'Toole, in late 1985. I succeeded him in that Department in 1986 and had the honour and great pleasure of putting into effect the proposals of the review group. Unfortunately, it was not possible for me to set up a national forestry enterprise but I am glad to say that the new Government took on board the policy we had adopted and brought forward legislation to create the new semi-State body, Coillte Teoranta, to continue the work formerly done by the Department of Forestry in pursuit of their policy of afforestation and the development of forestry.

It was proposed at that time that State forestry should be run on commercial lines by a semi-State company. I am glad to say that that Government introduced that Bill and have since set up Coillte Teoranta. It was envisaged in the Green Paper that Coillte Teoranta would have responsibility for private forestry but I am afraid that this has not been the case. It was always envisaged that Coillte Teoranta would be charged with the responsibility to progress the objectives of private forestry and that funds would be made available to them. I am disappointed that the Minister has kept this function within his own Department and is making the arrangements for an expansion of private forestry.

My concern is heightened slightly by what the Minister said in his speech. He indicated that planting, by both the public and private sectors, is set to break all records this year at 18,400 hectares. He pointed out that Deputies will be aware of the operations of Coillte Teoranta, the State forestry company, in this sphere, but that it is afforestation by the private sector which is showing the most spectacular expansion and is the subject of this supplementary Estimate. I am aware that we are confined to speaking about the private sector, but in the limited time available to me I would like to point out that I would not like to see State forestry being handed over to private enterprise. While it was always intended that Coillte Teoranta would play the leading role in continuing the afforestation programme on behalf of the State, it was never intended that this role would be transferred to the private sector.

It was envisaged in the Green Paper that grants available from the EC to encourage private planting would present Coillte Teoranta with an opportunity to exploit the position. This is certainly happening at present but I hope the Minister can assure us and those working in the forestry plantations around the country that they are not going to be subsumed in the future by private forestry enterprises. These are the people who created this industry and the fruits of their labours will result in huge dividends during the next ten years or so. We would not like to see these plantations being handed over to private enterprise for exploitation and profit. The afforestation programme began in 1946 and we want to see the benefits of this programme, the proceeds from the sale of mature timber and the expansion of public forestry go to the people of this country.

The expansion of private forestry must be welcomed. It was envisaged that there would be such expansion in the document of the review group presented to the then Minister Deputy O'Toole. It was also envisaged that 24,000 hectares would be planted by 1991. The Minister has indicated that we are on line to reach that target and perhaps exceed it, but he was not in a position to indicate what inducements and grants are now available not only from his Department but also from the EC.

We will not have time this evening to outline our attitude on this matter but perhaps we will have an opportunity in the coming year to have a full debate on this important sector of the economy. The Minister indicated that private forestry contracting is taking over an increasingly larger part of the work being done in areas where private forestry is being assisted and serviced. To my knowledge the rates and conditions prevailing in private forestry contracting operations bear no resemblance to those prevailing in the forests run by the Department of Forestry. I am particularly concerned about the numbers of people from the black economy employed in this area. I recently asked the Minister for Social Welfare about this and I understand that certain changes are being made in the new year that will try to combat the amount of black economy employment being used. The fact that people are working in the black economy does not simply mean that people are drawing pay and social welfare at the same time; it means that these contractors are being subsidised by the Department of Social Welfare. People drawn into this type of employment are drawn in because of the low rates of social welfare. It also means that the rates of pay and the conditions that prevail in some private employment should be discouraged. A social welfare subsidy should not be used by them to attract people into private contracting arrangements.

The Minister referred to concern about the environment and particularly to the planting of conifers. We know that 96 per cent of all planting has been of conifers and only 4 per cent has been of broad-leaf varieties. I hope there will be some stipulation relating to private planting which will lead to an increase in the planting of broadleaf trees. The planting of such trees should be encouraged particularly along boundaries. Broadleaf planting should be encouraged not just from the scenic aspect — many plantations are in areas frequented by tourists — but because it is necessary to preserve the appearance of forest plantations and to ensure that the great forests of broad-leaf trees we had in Wicklow such as Coolattin oak forest, are replanted. The private sector has a responsibility since they are now getting great benefits from the grants to ensure that broadleaf planting is included in the acreage they are planting.

The year 1991 is the centenary of the death of Charles Stewart Parnell and his home was in Avondale. The Minister had the pleasure recently of visiting us down there and he saw the wonderful timber operation there. This has been the headquarters for the Wicklow area in relation to planting. County Wicklow which has the highest percentage of planting by comparison with any county is near the city of Dublin. I would ask the Minister to take the opportunity to celebrate 1991 by establishing the headquarters of Coillte Teoranta either at Avondale or at some other place in Wicklow.

Well done, Deputy.

We certainly deserve that. Our forestry service started in Wicklow, it expanded there and most of the foresters learned their trade there. The Minister could do no better than to celebrate that centenary by setting up the headquarters of Coillte Teoranta in County Wicklow, and hopefully at Avondale.

Good try.

There is a lot in the Estimate and in the Minister's contribution which I welcome, including the Minister's pronunciation of Coillte Teoranta. I thought I was alone in my pronunciation of it.

I accept that this Estimate relates to additional money for private forestry. I am in favour of the development of private afforestation expecially having regard to the failure of successive Governments to exploit the natural advantage we have for forestry development. As Deputy Kavanagh said, there is detectable in the Minister's address the suggestion that notwithstanding the purpose of Coillte Teoranta and the debate that surrounded its establishment, private afforestation is gradually getting into the ascendancy. It is natural to expect a considerable improvement in performance when one looks at the very generous grants available for private afforestation. That is not to suggest that this should not be done because we are still at a figure of 5 per cent afforestation as compared to an EC average of about 24 per cent. We have a long way to go but, as Deputy Kavanagh said, we would not like Coillte Teoranta and public afforestation to become the poor relation of the forestry programme.

It is remarkable that in 1948 a White Paper was published on this question which proposed a target of 10,000 hectares of new plantations per annum and now approaching 1990 we have still only achieved about half that rate. Since Coillte Teoranta was only established at the beginning of this year it is too early to make an assessment but there is a suggestion that the greater emphasis in Government policy is now on private forestry rather than on State forestry.

The question raised by the progress to which the Minister referred relates to the development of an integrated wood industry here as a result of the improvement in the figures. I am aware from Question Time recently that the Minister is about to announce that a pulp mill will be located somewhere in the country and that negotiations are at an advanced stage with the IDA. I am directly interested in that, and not only because of the opportunity it provides us to avail of the increased significance of forestry. A sum of £298 million was the 1987 figure that we spent on imported paper, therefore the establishment of a pulp mill gives us an opportunity for import substitution. If the Minister is about to announce the establishment of a pulp mill, hopefully downstream development from that would be the establishment of a paper mill. I certainly have a very direct concern about that because of the closure of the last paper-making facility at Clondalkin where the mill, the equipment and the plant is in perfect working order, where the workforce have been idle since its closure, and the Minister for Industry and Commerce is due on Thursday to meet with the works committee from that plant. I hope that what we are viewing here is the possibility of the revival of the paper-making industry in this country and that that will include in the Minister's grand design the reopening of Clondalkin paper mills.

The Minister referred to the development of private forestry which he says is also greatly assisted by the services of private forestry contracting and investing companies. Indeed, several such companies have emerged in recent years, raising serious questions about the monitoring of the generous grants that are available for private afforestation and about the abuse of the taxation measures that apply to all other workers. There is and always has been a serious black economy problem in the forestry industry and because of the nature of the operations it is very difficult at any given time to quantify this. In the early days of the industry, for example, this major scope for evasion operated in the timber harvesting area. The system was that the Department of Forestry, as they then were, sold their timber standing and the purchaser hired a contractor. The contractor and his casual labour operated mostly in the black economy. The amount of timer being sold by the forest service is increasing rapidly and this system of purchaser harvesting is increasing on a pro rata basis, hence the black economy operators are an expanding category.

Deputy Kavanagh referred to another source of black economy labour that began to emerge in forestry in the early eighties when the Department began to put their work out to contract and reduce their own permanent workforce. This trend is continuing, on my information, at an accelerating pace and with it a new category of black economy contractors who are paid by the State. We can now identify a third category who have emerged. These are contractors who are engaged in a heavily subsidised sector of private afforestation and this trend by all appearances is set to continue. Studies have been done which I recommend to the Minister on this aspect of evasion and availing of the black economy. For example, the trade unions involved have produced such a study and have drawn attention to a number of points. They have drawn attention to the fact that the workforce do not work in their home areas but are absent on specific days of the week. They use names and aliases such as "John Smith", which abound; there is a big turnover of staff: they are anxious to work on Saturdays and, as Deputy Kavanagh said, they work for a pay rate which is normally not viable. The Minister for Social Welfare himself instanced this industry as an area where these practices are rife. The Committee of Public Accounts have recently drawn attention to the matter. The Programme for National Recovery includes a clause committing the partners to ensure the eradication of the black economy from the growing forestry industry, and a number of reports have been prepared on it.

By way of positive recommendation I suggest to the Minister that the withholding tax system be introduced for all contractors and subcontractors in the absence of a tax clearance certificate. The level at which the withholding tax should be set is a matter for debate. Secondly, a certified statement including the names, home addresses, RSI numbers and amounts paid should be obtained for contractors, subcontractors and employees in all cases, and finally the Department of Social Welfare and the Revenue Commissioners should be notified by the forestry service of all available information as a matter of routine.

I thank all the Deputies who spoke in the debate and raised a number of interesting points. I assure them that I welcome the support which is so evident from every side of the House for the Government's plans to expand afforestation rapidly in both the public and private sectors. Deputies raised a number of issues and in the short time available to me I will try to reply to some of the points mentioned.

Deputy Carey said he hoped I would have some progressive plans to announce here tonight. I am sorry I am not ready to announce them tonight, but I hope to be in a position to announce the details of the new expanded scheme of private grants early in the new year. The compensation which will involve a new premium payment for farmers to replace the present compensatory headage payments scheme which he referred to and the compensatory payments for forestry are under review at present and with EC agreement — which I expect shortly because there is to be a crucial meeting relating to that on 18 December — I shall be in a position to make final arrangements prior to an announcement. The new proposals I have designed which are going for final approval before the Commission will be available to farmers throughout the country. The Deputy knows the advantages to those who reside in the disadvantaged areas.

That is very satisfactory.

They will provide a major boost to farm forestry in the coming years and will become a very important part of rural life and a major source of income to those we are so anxious to ensure will continue to live in the rural areas and maintain levels of rural communities.

In my opening speech I referred to the extensive liaison between a number of public authorities in regard to some questions that had arisen about the effect on fishing waters with reference to salmon trout. My exclusion of any reference to local authorities should not be taken as an implication that they are not consulted. Of course they are consulted very extensively, as indeed are the OPW in regard to private afforestation proposals. The views of both those bodies are taken into account by me before any decision is made in regard to approving private grant applications, and the terms of county development plans are monitored carefully by officals and ultimately by myself before making any decisions. Therefore, there is a very high level of liaison between local authorities and my Department in regard to matters affecting plans for private afforestation and public afforestation.

Deputy Deenihan raised the question of Ballyseedy Wood. I am very familiar with the concern expressed in the Kerry area in regard to this and have already discussed it with a number of Deputies from that constituency. I assure the House that if any proposal is finally made in regard to the sale of the wood or any part of it it would require a licence from my Department. To date I have received no such licence application although I know the matter is under consideration by Coillte Teoranta. If and when I receive an application I will consider it very carefully as to what is the correct action to be taken, that is if a felling application is ever lodged with regard to Ballyseedy. Whatever fears Deputy Deenihan may have in regard to that I would like to ease them somewhat by saying I am keeping a very watchful eye on the developments in regard to that wood.

I assure Deputy Kavanagh regarding the establishment of Coillte Teoranta that it was not the intention at the time the Bill was introduced that they would take control of private forestry. They have an important role to play in expanding the public forestry sector. The Government's policy is to see rapid expansion in both areas but the Deputy will recognise the historical fact that there has been up to recent years very little private forestry undertaken here and it has a long way to go to catch up with public forestry. The intention during the term of the Government's plan is to increase public forestry to 15,000 hectares per annum and to bring private forestry up to that level. Therefore, to achieve the Government's targets private forestry has to proceed in leaps and bounds whereas the public forestry section making steady but substantial progress annually can arrive at the targeted figure of 30,000 hectares, which will be a remarkable development in such a short time.

There is no doubt that the lead role in all this continues to rest with Coillte Teoranta and I hope the Deputy will continue to give his full support to what we are doing. I compliment him on the important role he played in preparing the way for the kind of developments now taking place in his own county. I note also what he said about the upcoming anniversary of Charles Stewart Parnell. Although the suggestion he made may not be the way in which that major event will be recognised, I agree it is important that it should be recognised in a special way and I am anxious that my Department should play a leading role and make a contribution towards ensuring that the event is properly recognised and suitable arrangements are made to celebrate the anniversary.

The Minister is not ruling out my suggestion.

Forestry activity in this country is very decentralised. It employs 2,500 people, of whom perhaps 90 per cent reside in scattered locations throughout almost all counties. This is a Department which is in effect decentralised already and all that remains in Dublin is the headquarters staff. It is planned to relocate part of this staff elsewhere, closer to the action on the ground. The Deputy will accept the continuing need to retain a cadre at an office in Dublin, but it will be very small compared to the overall numbers employed.

Reference was made by Deputy Rabbitte to the proposed pulpwood factory and I take the point he was making. We are not free agents in regard to the exact product to be manufactured. A number of interested companies have been in discussion with the IDA. The Department of Energy and Coillte Teoranta have been to the forefront in advising on the proposals. We are not at the stage where any firm decisions can be made. So far three serious proposals are under consideration.

The Minister will keep the west awake.

Whatever is best for the forestry industry and for the country will be the determining factor in regard to the type of industry eventually chosen and its location. If there are very heavy investors coming in from outside, as is the case, they will have a very important say as to where they want to locate their industry. As far as my personal preference is concerned, I am anxious to try to establish a pulpwood industry in the north-west where we see large sources of supply coming on-stream in the years ahead. That would be the most advantageous location from the State's point of view if everything else falls into place. We are not in a position yet to make that decision.

There has been a dramatic increase in private afforestation, representing an increase of 60 per cent on the 1988 figure. This indicates the success of the Government's effort to promote investment in forestry. The bulk of investment to date has been in the public sector, resulting in the current position where some 85 per cent or 350,000 hectares of the forest area of Ireland is in public ownership. While the contribution by the public sector will continue to be significant, the balance between public and private is changing rapidly and we can look forward to an ever-increasing contribution from the private sector. It is particularly heartening to note that farmers are accounting for almost half of private planting, a fact which I do not think is generally known. There is an impression that many large companies have made heavy investments and that private planting is in the hands of a few small companies. That is not the position. A very substantial number of medium and small farmers have availed of the attractive grants. Almost half of the private planting this year was undertaken by farmers who of necessity were planting smaller areas. I hope that with the greatly increased range of grants to be announced early in January the number will increase very substantially. The programme is supported by the IFA and the ICMSA and we are in close liaison with both organisations. We recognise their assistance and advice and thank them for their encouragement and for the dissemination of information to their members, which has largely resulted in this increased uptake by farmers.

The new schemes are based on eight new regulations comprising the Community Forestry Action Programme which came into effect on 18 June, following adoption by the EC Council of Ministers. These regulations represent for the first time a real EC forestry policy with significant funding. During the past few months my Department have been pressing ahead with the adaptation of Ireland's forestry policies in the light of these new regulations.

What about the 300 extra jobs to be created?

Our plan involves the creation of 2,000 extra jobs.

Is that 2,000 net or gross?

An increase of 2,000.

The Taoiseach said when he met the chief executives of State companies that several hundred additional jobs——

We cannot send for the deck of cards and have a fireside chat about this. The Minister to conclude.

The Taoiseach made an historic announcement of 300 jobs.

I hope to exceed that very substantially in the period of this plan. I have the full support of the Taoiseach. His interest, help and support for the forestry programme has been quite remarkable and the amount we have succeeded in getting through the Structural Funds has been largely due to the active role played by the Taoiseach. This has guaranteed the future success of the afforestation programme. An operation programme proposing to implement many of the new measures has been submitted to Brussels and is being negotiated.

As well as creating 2,000 new jobs in forestry in rural areas, the programme will increase the annual supply of wood raw material for industry from 1.5 million cubic metres in 1989 to 2 million cubic metres in 1993 and contribute to the diversification of the rural economy, providing farmers with an alternative line of production and thereby improving the farm structure. We should, therefore, see further expansion in forestry next year and in the following years from the EC funding. I would be grateful for the support of the House for the Estimate.

Vote put and agreed to.
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