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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 6 Feb 1990

Vol. 395 No. 3

Private Members' Business. - Confidence in Minister for Health: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann has no confidence in the Minister for Health.

The first thing that should be said in this debate is that it is and must be a matter of regret that any Member of this House should have to stand here to declare that they have no confidence in another Member. It is a matter of regret in a personal sense because I have never been treated in a discourteous manner or in an unpleasant way by the Minister for Health. He has struggled with a difficult and onerous brief and has done so with a degree of personal dignity and courage. Many of the decisions he has implemented were decisions involving collective Cabinet responsibility and in that sense the motion I have moved and the debate that will follow today and tomorrow represents a declaration by many Members of this House that the handling of our health services not alone by the Minister for Health but by the Government and their immediate predecessor has been disastrous.

The Minister for Health was effectively disowned by the Taoiseach during the last general election campaign when he admitted on national radio that he had no idea of the impact of the health cutbacks in the community. In effect what the Taoiseach was saying to the entire community was that as far as he was concerned the crisis in health was the Minister for Health's fault. Either the Minister had not told the Taoiseach about the pain, suffering, and anger caused or else he was falsely reassuring him that all this talk of pain and suffering was just hype and propaganda from the Opposition parties and individuals. That was the message the Taoiseach set out to convey in his notorious radio broadcast in the midst of the last election campaign. The people did not believe it then and they do not believe it now. They do not believe that the crisis in the health services is a figment of my imagination or those of the Members on the Opposition benches. Why should they? In virtually every home there is a story of individual hardship, delay, pain, and inconvenience.

Every Member of this House in regular contact with their constituents can tell a fresh story week in week out about the real crisis that plagues the health services. I could tell this House tonight about the ten years old little girl living in Dublin who needs orthodontic care, but who was told this week that at the present rate of progress through the waiting lists in the Eastern Health Board they will reach her when she is 28 years of age. That makes it an 18 year waiting list. I could tell this House about the middle-aged woman looking after two elderly relatives who developed an eye infection which became so bad that eventually she had to have her eye removed. That woman was sent home within 24 hours of the operation having received no counselling about the traumatic effects of the operation and no back-up to help her cope with the trauma subsequently. The hospital needed the bed for another urgent case. They calculated that since the woman in question had been a nurse in her younger years she would be able to cope.

I could tell this House about people who are getting letters from debt collection agencies hired by health boards to collect the £10 hospital charge which was introduced by the Government from those who did not have it when they came into casualty. There is now a new breed of vulture working on commission extracting money from people who are poor and frightened and who used to believe that they had a right to health care. They do not believe that any more. Even charitable organisations, such as the Society of St. Vincent de Paul, are now reporting to me that in some cases they have given money to people who need it to pay for casualty treatment. I could, as could all of us, tell sensational stories for the duration of this debate, all of which are true. They add up to two things. First, they point to the extent of the failure of this Government to preserve the right to health care. Second, they point to the fact that failure exists in our health services today.

Every Fianna Fáil Deputy and every Progressive Democrats Deputy who will vote in favour of the Minister's position, who will vote against our no confidence motion tomorrow night, know they are supporting a Minister who has failed. At the end of the day this debate is all about the failure of the Minister and his Government to understand certain fundamental things. The first thing he has failed to understand is that access to health care is a basic human right. He is a decent man, a kind and courteous man, but he does not understand it is his job, given by the Oireachtas, to protect that right and to protect it for every citizen in the land regardless of class or income.

The second thing the Minister has failed to understand is that you cannot do the job he is supposed to do without a health policy. This Minister for Health understands and accepts the need for a financial policy. Indeed, he has been one of the most ardent advocates of Fianna Fáil's conversion in recent years to financial rectitude. He has lectured everyone from consultant surgeon to patients' groups about the need for balancing the books, having less debt and smaller borrowings, and about the current budget deficit. No doubt he has lectured the poli-cy-makers in health along the same lines. The consequences have been that the only health policy he has ever followed has been to ask the Department of Finance how much they can afford to give this year and then to force the rights of Irish citizens to fit into whatever parameters the Department of Finance lay down.

The Minister for Health, Deputy O'Hanlon, had a health policy when he was in Opposition. When he was on this side of the House he had a view. Speaking in this House in 1986 he said it would be wrong and unacceptable to have any more cutbacks in health care and that people could die if the then policy was continued. He was talking at the time about a Minister for Health who was attempting to rationalise the service without increasing expenditure but who always refused to agree to cuts in overall health expenditure. The Minister was the former Deputy Barry Desmond.

Deputy O'Hanlon, now Minister for Health, led the campaign of vilification Deputy Desmond had to endure, even though Deputy Desmond never closed a hospital bed without opening another one close by. Recently when Deputy O'Hanlon, Minister for Health, was asked about the campaign he then led, he replied he had done so because Deputy Barry Desmond was too confrontational in his approach and that he would not engage in dialogue; this from the Minister for Health who sent one of his civil servants to sack a health official in Cork Airport, who spent £300,000 of public money to fire one of the foremost consultants from Beaumont Hospital and who last week told me at Question Time that he could not meet the parents of people with a mental handicap. Those are the fundamental things the Minister for Health has failed to grasp about the job he was charged to do. Those are the reasons this House must declare it has lost confidence in him.

At the end of the day it is the Minister for Health and he alone who must carry the responsibility for losing sight of the right of every Irish citizen to enjoy equal access to health care. It is no longer good enough for him or anyone else to argue that our health service can be treated as one might treat a beggar in the street. We cannot approach the provision of health care by saying we will allocate to health what we can afford as if it were throwing loose change out of our pocket. In this sense, while it would be easier to argue that the Minister for Health is a victim of collective Government decisions, that has to be seen from the health perspective as a whole.

The first fundamental role of the Minister for Health is to inform the overall philosophy of the Government. It is abundantly clear that this Minister for Health has failed signally to do just that. Instead, his philosophy has been informed by the Department of Finance and their mandarins, and the rights of our people have been thrown out of the window. In the recent past I published a detailed analysis of the financial repercussions of this philosophy, the philosophy of going cap in hand to the Department of Finance, of telling us what we can afford and then deciding to carve the health services into those parameters. I spelled out in detail the repercussions of this lack of philosophy. The Minister responded by calling this analysis false propaganda without indicating where it was false.

It is essential that we examine and understand the facts and the scale of the financial cutbacks before we begin to have a picture of the damage that has now been done. Before examining and outlining again these facts, I have to point out to the House and to the Minister that the only sources I have used or ever used to assemble the data I have published in statements or referred to in speeches in this House have been official sources. Figures for Exchequer health spending are published annually in the revised Book of Estimates and expressed therein as a percentage of GNP. Figures for spending on individual programmes are published annually in the comprehensive public expenditure programmes. Inflation statistics are made available to anybody who inquires from the CSO, and the figures on the size of our national wealth are available from the same source. The financial statistics I intend to set out are all drawn from official sources and the Minister, therefore, cannot honestly deny their accuracy.

Of course, Ministers use figures to suit themselves. When the Department of Health were asked recently to supply health spending information to a national newspaper for a major article they supplied data which were misleading in the extreme. As a result the figures published by that newspaper reflected total spending on health, including spending by bodies like the VHI and private spending and, as such, are totally unreliable measures of change and cannot be used for comparison. The fact is that Exchequer health spending has been cut by 1 per cent of our GNP since the Fine Gael budget published in 1987. According to the 1988 and 1989 Book of Estimates, health spending was 7 per cent of GNP in 1984, 7 per cent of GNP in 1985, 6.9 per cent of GNP in 1986 and it was cut to 6.6 per cent of GNP in the 1987 Fine Gael budget subsequently adopted by Fianna Fáil, it was 6.3 per cent of GNP in the 1988 budget and 6 per cent of GNP last year. No official figure has been published yet for Exchequer health spending as a proportion of GNP for this year. It is reasonable to assume that health spending will not rise, particularly having regard to the expected increase in GNP itself. The value of 1 per cent of GNP is approximately £190 million. To put it another way, if we were spending the 7 per cent of GNP that we held for so many years up to the end of 1986 we would be spending almost £200 million extra on our health services this year. That is the true dimension of the cut this Minister has visited upon the health services.

The way in which that cut has been reflected in each of the health board programmes and the health programmes between 1986 and 1989 must also be considered. The figures I now intend to read into the record again all come from official sources. I take account of the official increase in the rate of inflation between the end of 1986 and 1989 as being 10.8 per cent. Let us look at where the cuts were made.

In the general hospitals area the total was a 5.3 per cent real cut. For voluntary hospitals it was a 6.1 per cent real cut; for regional hospitals — a real cut of 2.1 per cent; district hospitals — a real cut of 2.8 per cent; county hospitals — a real cut of 6.7 per cent. The ambulance and transport service has been cut by 5 per cent. The services in health board long stay hospitals and homes have been cut by 5.7 per cent. The contribution to patients in private homes has been cut by 10.8 per cent. Capital expenditure has been cut by 20.8 per cent.

Let us look at the community health services area. The total expenditure on community health has been increased by 8.5 per cent. The drug subsidy scheme has enjoyed a massive increase of 46.2 per cent, which accounts for the general increase. Nursing home services were cut by 6.1 per cent; the dental, ophthalmic and aural services, which are facing a crisis, were cut by 10.8 per cent in real terms.

The total expenditure on psychiatric services was cut by 7.1 per cent; the cost of administration was cut by 44 per cent while services were cut by 11.8 per cent. The total expenditure on services for the handicapped was cut by 2 per cent, but there was an increase in the provison for administration and support services of 29.2 per cent. There was an increase in the provision for care in special centres of 4.4 per cent, but provision for care in psychiatric hospitals was cut by 10.8 per cent. The provision for the assessment and care of blind, deaf and otherwise disabled persons was cut by 10.8 per cent; the provision for the rehabilitation services was cut by 10.8 per cent and capital expenditure in this area, which is crying out for residential places for the handicapped, was cut by 76.8 per cent in real terms.

In the community welfare area total expenditure was cut by 3.4 per cent in real terms. Cash allowances and grants were increased by 0.3 per cent but the provision for community social services was cut by 5.6 per cent, by 0.8 per cent for child welfare services and by 10.8 per cent for welfare homes for the aged. That is the litany. It is important to put the statistical facts on the record.

There is a number of points that must be made about the figures before they can be fully understood. Increases in spending on community care are accounted for by the increased expenditure on drugs and the new contractual arrangements for general practitioners within the GMS scheme. However, it is the Government's intention that ultimately the GMS will cost less as a result of the changes that were instituted last year. It must be remembered that the VHI drug refund scheme was abolished so that the increased Exchequer spending does not imply any additional relief for poorer sections of the community. Indeed, although the Minister promised some considerable time ago that he would bring in a replacement drug refund scheme, we have yet to see sight or light of it. Many organisations, in particular the Asthma Society of Ireland, are appealing to him to put in place the reformed drug subsidy scheme, which they were firmly promised last summer. Seven or eight months later, they are still waiting and trying to cope with the horrendous bills involved in treating young children with this condition.

An aspect of community care that has caused a great deal of controversy is the dental, ophthalmic and aural services. The reason is that funding for these services has lagged behind inflation to the tune of 11 per cent.

The services for the elderly have been decimated. It is clear that under such headings as district hospitals, ambulance-transport services, nursing home services and all services relating directly to elderly people, there has been a systematic cutback. I welcome, and I make no bones about it the extra provision announced in the budget for this area and tonight I hope to hear details of where that money is to be spent. The reality is that there are fewer permanent residential places for the elderly as more of our geriatric and county hospitals have closed since 1987. Increasing numbers of people have to remain in the community without a hope of a permanent bed and are dependent on the support services that can be provided. One of the boasts of the last few years has been that whatever else has happened to the health services, the services for the mentally handicapped have been fully protected. The figures show that the opposite is the case. The virtual abolition of any capital expenditure in this area is a direct cause of the present crisis in residential facilities for the mentally handicapped. Facilities for the physically handicapped have been frozen at their present level in cash terms, for three years, after several years of improvement and in real terms that represents a further cut of 11 per cent.

One area not covered in these figures is the area of community protection. The Minister for Health has repeatedly stressed that this is his personal priority. In 1986 we spent a total of £22 million on this area — in 1989 that figure was increased to just £23.5 million — in other words a real cut of 3 per cent when we take account of inflation. That figure accurately describes the Minister's commitment to community protection especially when set aside his decision to abolish the Health Education Bureau and replace it with a bureau operating under the constraints of his own Department.

All of these figures take account of the recent Supplementary Estimate, which injected an extra £33 million into health care but without that injection that picture would be even bleaker. Despite the 1990 Estimate, health spending this year will decline still further as a proportion of our national wealth. All of this financial information, no matter how devastating, is only a part of the picture we must paint. In themselves they only tell one aspect of the story. We must also examine what hospital closures have meant, the consequences of the removal of the beds, the sacking and non-replacement of staff. I have had the opportunity in the past week or so to update the information available on some of these issues.

When I said in my most recent statement that the Minister had closed 20 hospitals he reacted with outrage, "false propaganda,""untrue and malicious," he said. So I put down a parliamentary question to ascertain the Minister's position. I asked him to name each hospital which had been closed. The Minister's answer will surprise many Members of the House. He told me that only a few hospitals had closed under his tenure of office, but 19 hospitals, in his phrase, "had changed roles." Some had been sold to private developers, some were day care centres, some were health clinics and so on but none of them — and this is something that has not yet apparently dawned on the Minister — is still a public hospital.

I have to say that I find it incredible that this Minister is prepared to close hospitals but not prepared to admit it. It is simply unbelievable that the Minister for Health is prepared to hide behind this type of language and to use it not only to defend himself but to accuse others of distorting the facts. In the same parliamentary question I asked the Minister to give an up-to-date account of the bed numbers of our hospitals. He was unable to do so. Since the collation of such statistics is apparently a very complex and time consuming job he said he was not able to provide the answer. I have to say that I find that extraordinary. When I wrote to the health boards, several were able to supply the information immediately and the others promised to supply it as soon as possible. Within the past few days the Southern Health Board said in reply that since 1986 they have had to close 325 acute beds, 171 long-stay beds and 322 psychiatric beds, a total of 818 beds in three years.

The Midland Health Board have lost 508 beds, the Western Health Board 615 beds and the North Eastern Health Board 147 beds but they have recently opened a 64-bed facility for people with a mental handicap. The North Western Health Board have lost 331 beds and 30 per cent of their acute beds are closed for six to eight weeks each year. Those five health boards between them have lost 2,500 beds since the present Minister became Minister for Health. That is the most up-to-date information available. I believe that when the figures for the other health board areas and the major voluntary hospitals are available to me, they will show that the total number of bed closures under the Minister's tenure as Minister for Health is quite alarming.

The final figures to be considered are those relating to staff. There has been a certain amount of controversy about the figures I have used in the past. The Minister has frequently accused his opponents of inflating the figures published. In a statement I issued on 11 January I said to the Minister that he had got rid of 5,212 staff across all areas of activity in the health field. The Minister appears to think this is an over-estimate. Parliamentary replies dated 29 July 1988 and 30 January 1990 yielded the following information: total staff employed in 1986, 62,481; in 1987, 58,091 and in 1988, 56,357. In other words, according to the Minister's own figures, there were 6,124 fewer staff working in the health services at the end of 1989 than there were when the Minister took office. The recitation of these statistics is essential. It is impossible to understand the root of the crisis without appreciating the extent of all these statistics. I might reiterate that all of these statistics have been drawn from official parliamentary questions or from official reports.

However, statistics alone convey only the cold back-drop to the problem. We cannot forget that conditions have been worsened for people who suffer from spina bifida and hydrocephalus, mental handicap or psychiatric illness and to asthmatics, AIDS victims and a host of other particularly vulnerable people. To their suffering must be added the hardship and indignity caused to the elderly and the infirm. What all of these groups have in common is that they are, to a very considerable extent, defenceless. It took a general election to bring home the reality of people's suffering to the politicians who caused it. The politicians who caused this suffering are those who proposed the Health Estimates of the last three years and those who refused to oppose them. For three years, three budgets, and three sets of Estimates, the Labour Party have sought to bring home the extent and depth of this crisis to the previous Government and the other parties who were part of the consensus of the last Dáil. It was not until that Dáil was dissolved and its members started to knock on people's doors, they began to realise that what we had been saying was true.

I find that all the more remarkable, especially given the Taoiseach's extraordinary admission during the campaign that the response of the new Government to the crisis had been so pathetic. It can only be described as even more pathetic in the light of the publication of the document Let's Look Again by the Joint Health Commission of the Catholic Church. That document unequivocally describes health care as a basic human right, so basic a right that there is an explicit obligation on the community to discriminate positively in favour of the poor. This view has been endorsed by the recently published report of the Commission on Health Funding.

In the few minutes remaining to me I want to reflect on the reality of the impact of these cuts. It was important to stitch in the figures for the Minister's attention but the consequences on the ground are being faced by all of us in our clinics, more especially by those unfortunate enough to be dependent on our health services. An example that has struck every Member of this House, that has moved every Member of this House, was the story of Samantha Webb, the 22-year old handicapped woman who was left alone by the death of her mother and the long illness of her father, for whom no place could be found in any of the caring agencies in the Dublin area despite the repeated assurances of the Minister for Health — on one occasion in the debate on mental handicap in this House just prior to Christmas — that there would be a place for all people in that position. After all the publicity, the Minister told us that a place had now been found for Samantha by St. Michael's House and that the risk that she would have to be sent to Monasterevan had been averted.

What the Minister did not tell us was that a place could be found for Samantha only because one of the St. Michael's House residents died last week. What the Minister did not tell us was that St. Michael's House have 22 other Samantha Webbs on their waiting list, profoundly handicapped adults in desperate need of residential care. What the Minister did not tell us was that St. Michael's House have a priority list of 90 people whose need is almost as great as that of Samantha Webb. What the Minister did not tell us was that the only additional residential accommodation in St. Michael's House since he became Minister for Health was the provision of one hostel capable of accommodating five people.

Neither has the Minister told us that there are 260 severely handicapped adults in the Dublin area with no day service whatsoever available to them and that there are 100 children in the same position. He has not told us that St. Michael's House have lost 36 staff since he assumed office. Neither has his colleague, the Minister for Education, told us that all of the teachers' aides have been removed from the special national schools run by that agency even though those schools are now catering for more severely handicapped pupils than ever before. Neither has the Minister told us that independence training, physiotherapy and speech therapy have almost ceased to exist as part of the services provided by St. Michael's House.

St. Michael's House is only one of the agencies providing services for people with a mental handicap. All of the others have similar tales of crisis management to tell if only there was an ear to listen. If that is his legacy is it any wonder the Minister is afraid to meet the Parents' Association for People with a Mental Handicap?

If we are looking for an indictment of this Minister perhaps it is to be found in the story of the 14 people who travel three times a week from his constituency for urgent kidney dialysis treatment in the already over-crowded and over-worked unit in Beaumont Hospital. His failure to provide a treatment facility in the North Eastern Health Board area — one of only two health board areas where dialysis is not available locally in a special unit — has compounded the severe problems faced by the renal unit in Beaumont Hospital, supposedly the national facility.

The renal unit in Beaumont caters for three types of patients — those who have just been diagnosed, those who are acutely ill from renal failure and those who have just had transplants. It is essential in a unit of that kind that facilities be of the highest standard since every patient in the unit is more than usually prone to infection. For the last two years that unit has housed an average of 41 to 45 patients each night in St. Peter's Ward, which is the designated ward. But St. Peter's Ward has 31 beds only. As a result some patients sleep in the treatment unit on trolleys each night, spending the rest of their days on chairs because there are not sufficient beds for them. The best description that has been coined for the way in which these patients I have just mentioned are being treated was coined by one intimately involved with the unit, a patient himself, who described it as a "battery hen unit".

Perhaps one could find one's best indictment of the Minister in the recent history of just one of our general hospitals. The treatment of the Clare County Hospital in Ennis is typical of that of many other hospitals. In the 1989 General Election both Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael gave a commitment that that hospital would be maintained at a minimum of 100 beds. There are now 78 beds along with a six-bed intensive care unit in that hospital. In 1987 the complement of beds in that hospital was reduced. There is a 26-bed ward closed at present in the hospital. During January 1990 the number of patients was 100 and the average number in a six-bed day care unit during January was 12 to 14. Occupancy in the hospital on selected days in January was as follows: January 1, 112 patients; January 3, 103 patients as well as 15 patients in the six-bed day care unit; January 13, 95 patients as well as 14 patients in the six-bed day care unit; January 21, 95 patients. The health board estimate that it would cost £500,000 per year to reopen the 26-bed ward. The local Fianna Fáil organisation have asked the Minister for Health to provide a 100-bed hospital in Ennis and have sought a meeting with him to pursue this objective but they have not had much luck so far in getting the assistance that is so obviously needed.

When gathering the information I wanted to present to the Minister, I really did not know where to start or end. I have files on every aspect of medicine and they all add up to a litany of dreadful hardship and suffering. It is very hard to encapsulate into 40 minutes here the full degree of that suffering. The last phone call I received from my constituency before I left Wexford this morning was from a mother who had hoped to get her mentally handicapped son who is 31 years old into Dawn House in Wexford, which the Minister opened last week, but unfortunately there is no room for him. When I said I was going up to the Dáil to move this motion tonight she said: "Go get him and tell him the extent of the suffering that is here".

If it was not for the Minister we would not have that hospital in Wexford.

I am afraid the new Deputy from Wexford does not realise that Dawn House was funded exclusively and completely by money collected by the people of Wexford.

Deputy Howlin, please disregard any comment. I will look after that.

I do my best to disregard all the utterances from that Deputy. As far as the Labour Party are concerned, access to a proper health service is a fundamental human right. A majority Labour Government would introduce a comprehensive national health service, phased in over six years. We would switch the main emphasis on health care back to health promotion and illness prevention, to primary care in the community, and we would reduce our level of dependence on institutional health care. We would also set health spending at a fixed proportion of our national wealth so that improvements in the quality and range of health care and related social services would go hand-in-hand with economic growth.

Labour regard a two-tier health service as completely unacceptable. In this connection we regard the development of 600 private beds in our health system at a time when between 4,000 and 5,000 beds are closed down as completely unacceptable. We reject completely the notion that the State can be used to subsidise such a development when it cannot afford to provide basic health services for ordinary people. Access to a high standard of health care and to the maximum protection of human dignity should never be dependent on ability to pay. The legacy of this Minister for Health has been an insult to human dignity.

As I said at the beginning of my speech, I have no reason to believe Deputy O'Hanlon is other than a decent man but he has failed to protect one of the most fundamental rights of all our citizens. Because he has failed and because he has ignored the growing crisis that he and his policies have created, this House has no choice but to declare that it has lost confidence in him.

The refusal by the Minister for Health to acknowledge the extent of the crisis in the health service and his failure to reorganise the delivery of health care are the principal reasons for this vote of no confidence. The deterioration in health care over his period of office has been unacceptable. The waiting lists for public patients for hospital treatment is too long. For most public patients the waiting period for a hip replacement operation is three to four years and for a cataract eye operation it is two years. Statements were made during the election by the Royal Victoria Eye and Ear Hospital in Dublin to the effect that people are going blind because of the length of the waiting list there.

Mentally handicapped adults do not have assured access to full-time residental care when their parents pass on. There is no routine dental service for medical card holders and their dependants. Community care facilities are at best patchy and at worst non-existent in certain parts of the country. Practical examples of this are inadequate care in the home for Alzheimer's patients, a total lack of access to speech therapy particulary for the handicapped, and a total lack of access to occupational therapy services. Old age pensioners with medical cards, under the present Minister for Health, have to do without transport from out-patients clinics at hospitals. They are unable to get dentures on their medical cards and invariably they cannot get financial assistance, despite legal provision for this and statutory obligations on the health boards, if they are in a nursing home.

Over recent months many individual health issues have been highlighted due to a lack of proper care and services. These include the growth in the AIDS epidemic where already 59 people have died. It is reckoned that the number of people HIV positive is doubling every nine months. Yet, when a motion was put down in this House in relation to haemophiliacs, the Minister assured us that within a fortnight, when a particular committee had reported, a national AIDS plan would be put into operation to meet the medical and welfare needs of AIDS patients. Casualty departments are still overcrowded and patients often have to wait several hours before seeing a doctor. There is no national programme for adequate places in workshops or sheltered employment for the physically disabled. Again, the Minister has failed to implement his much promised drugs subsidy scheme after the abolition of the VHI drugs refund scheme. In February last year he promised in this House that by August there would be a drugs subsidy scheme in operation where people could go to their local chemist and would not have to part with any more than £28 per month. A year later that scheme still has not been set up.

All of these different problem areas have been highlighted over the past two years. However, what finally prompted this motion was the crisis in hospitals in the past two months. Seriously ill patients were refused access to hospitals. Others were piled up in corridors open to cross infection. Others were prematurely discharged. The death rate rose in most key hospitals by an average of 60 per cent over this time last year. Specifically the death rates rose over a given period in December by 129 per cent in Limerick Regional Hospital; 92 per cent in Beaumont Hospital, and 84 per cent in St. Vincent's Hospital. No proper explanation has been given for these figures.

The hospital crisis was so severe that what was termed "routine admissions" were cancelled on a widespread basis. Basically, this meant that people who had been waiting months and even years for hospital treatment had, at the last minute, their appointments shelved because their beds had been taken by patients admitted on an accident and emergency basis. My office was inundated with calls particularly relating to Dublin hospitals, especially St. James's Hospital where patients had been told to fast in the first week of January prior to operations and were turned away when they arrived because the operations had been cancelled. I will give one example arising from the chaos when we switched over to the 24 hour accident and emergency admission system. I will quote from one standard letter from the Secretary-Manager of St. Vincent's Hospital to all ward sisters, consultant surgeons and physicians, dated 12 December 1989.

We regret that once again we shall have to ask you to co-operate with the decision we are forced to make today, i.e. to cancel elective admissions for the present.

This measure is essential because there are 28 `extra' beds in position today ... Requests for urgent admissions, when the crisis abates, should be channelled through this office until further notice.

"Until further notice" in some cases meant until the third week in January. This was simply unacceptable. Some of the cases outlined in the media and elsewhere has been unacceptable in terms of patients' rights. Even more deplorable in the midst of this crisis was the Minister's response. The Minister kept referring to aeroplane crashes and the unpredictability of a flu epidemic. This is despite the fact that as far back as November, there was a rampant flu epidemic in Britain and Northern Ireland and medical laboratories here were predicting a similar occurrence here. When it came, neither vaccines nor beds were available in sufficient supply. The Minister for Health has consistently sought not to recognise the extent of this problem but rather to accuse politicians, consultants, doctors, nurses and the media of being hysterical and alarmist.

I could quote many cases, some of them referred to by Deputy Howlin, in relation to the hospital panic we saw but I will give examples of two which landed on my desk one day. These cases arose on 22 and 23 December and they bear testimony to the situation I refer to. When the debate is over I will forward this correspondence to the Minister so that he can have an inquiry into each case. The first case relates to a family who were particularly concerned about the treatment of their mother. I will give an outline of what happened in this case by reading extracts from a letter.

On Friday 22nd December, our mother .. was discharged from your hospital ... When I arrived to collect her, she appeared to be extremely unwell, but I was assured ... that the doctor ... had examined her and that she was physically perfectly well and only depressed. I brought my mother home to my house where she was to spend Christmas. She was unable to sit up straight in my car and had to be helped up the steps of my house and up to bed where she remained. My sister and I watched over her that day and night as she appeared so ill. She was unable to eat and we had great difficulty in getting her to take any liquid. She was both delirious and incontinent. Her breathing was very distressed and although she had not the energy to cough a lot of green matter emanated from her mouth. We hoped by morning that she would improve but in fact she had deteriorated.

Then on 23 December the GP was called. But while waiting for him the woman involved became so concerned about the condition of her mother that she called an ambulance. Just before the ambulance arrived her GP also came and agreed that the mother's condition was so critical that it was best to allow the ambulance to take her to casualty as soon as possible. She was taken to the casualty department at 3.30 p.m. At 6.30 p.m. the family were told that their mother was being admitted to a ward. At 7 p.m. the family called to the ward and were told that the ward was expecting their mother any minute but that she was still in casualty. They went down to casualty where they spoke with a number of doctors who at first appeared sympathetic. About 9 p.m. the mother was examined by another doctor and while this examination took place the old lady was too weak to sit up without assistance. She was very ill, being extremely dehydrated, not having had anything to drink for 48 hours. The doctor said that she was not ill enough to warrant admission.

My sister-in-law offered that our family would look after my mother throughout the night in casualty but at least she would be within the reach of "expert" help.

This was rejected. They eventually had to put their mother into a wheelchair as she was too weak to stand and lift her into the back of a car. She spent another bad night with her breathing even more distressed, steadily getting weaker. Earlier that morning — Christmas Eve — she contacted her GP who was astonished to learn that she had been refused admission to hospital and tried another hospital. An hour later she was brought to St. James's Hospital and after being examined she was immediately transferred to intensive care where she died two days later from pneumonia.

I enclose a copy of her death certificate...

This situation is totally unacceptable and the family were horrified.

Our family has no doubt that had my mother never been discharged or at least readmitted and given the necessary physiotherapy treatment while she was a tiny bit stronger, she would be alive today.

Lest the House think that was an isolated case, on the same night 22 December in another Dublin hospital a lady from Fingal Street in Dublin 8 was knocked down by a motorbike at 5.30 p.m. at Dolphin's Barn. She was taken to a hospital and sent home in a paid taxi at 11 p.m. in agonising pain which she suffered throughout the night. An ambulance was called the next day and she was taken back to the hospital. The X-ray from the previous night had been mislaid and a second set of X-rays revealed fractured shoulders and toes plus bruises. Subsequently she was kept in hospital in plaster until the end of January.

In both those cases the outcome was horrific and the subsequent medical diagnosis was death or that the patient needed urgent care. That is but a sample of the cases I have been hearing of. Since the flu epidemic, we have seen two alarming examples of how seriously the Minister is out of touch with the situation. Firstly, I refer to the announcement last week by senior cardiac surgeons that they were cutting by half the level of heart operations in the Mater Hospital for public patients because there were only 25 beds available and they were not prepared to discharge patients prematurely.

So that it will not appear that we are jumping in on this vote of no confidence as some sort of cynical political exercise, I will refer to what the Minister said in Dáil debates since I have represented Fine Gael on health, putting forward Private Members' motions. On 25 October 1988 the Minister said that he rejected utterly the suggestion that there was a problem about the quality of health care in this country. The Minister then sought to mislead the public in an interview in the Irish Independent on Monday 29 January when he said in relation to the waiting lists:

I accept there are waiting lists and the length of some of them is unacceptable to me but we have been addressing this with £15 million extra we put into the service last year.

I find it difficult to reconcile this extra money that the Minister has been allocating with what the Minister said in this House at columns 810 and 811 on 20 July when moving the Supplementary Estimate for £15 million.

The additional resources are being allocated as follows: (a) introduction of sectoral accident and emergency service in the Eastern Health Board area: £1.5 million; (b) operations this year to reduce waiting lists, with priority ear, nose, throat and hip replacement operations: £1.7 million:

The other £9 million went simply towards the cessation of planned bed closures, restoration of bed-weeks already lost through summer closures and the opening of additional beds. The Minister did not allocate £15 million to deal with the waiting lists but only a paltry £1.7 million. The Minister said at column 681 of the Official Report of 15 November 1989:

We have an excellent service with essential treatment at the highest level available on demand and most elective treatment available within a reasonable time frame.

Let us look at this reasonable time frame and at what Doctors Neligan and Wood had to say in relation to the matter. They were not prepared to discharge patients before the necessary ten-day period had elapsed. I will give the instance and the name of a patient who had a heart by-pass operation as a public patient in the Mater Hospital on 4 January. He was sent to St. Vincent's on 7 January, only to be sent on 11 January to a corridor in St. Luke's Hospital in Kilkenny. Cardiac surgeons were put in the impossible situation where they either had to discharge people prematurely or reduce the number of operations, and the Minister says that operations are available within a reasonable time frame. There are 600 patients on that waiting list for heart treatment. At two per week one can quickly work out how long it would take to get through the waiting list.

This applies not just in heart surgery. Deputy Joe Doyle brought to my attention the case of a lady in Ringsend who was awaiting admission to the Adelaide Hospital. In correspondence the Minister's former secretary at the Department, Deputy Flanagan, has clearly outlined the fact that this lady needs urgent admission to the Adelaide Hospital but that she will not be admitted for months and perhaps years. This is a totally unacceptable situation.

We have seen adults with mental handicap whose parents or family circumstances have broken down, who had to depend on health care workers to provide night time accommodation for them. This is despite the fact that repeatedly in the Dáil the Minister has given assurances that the problems of hospital waiting lists and residential care for the mentally handicapped were looked after.

I should like to quote what the Minister said on 5 December in relation to residential places for the mentally handicapped:

This will ensure that when parents are no longer living there is the assurance that he or she will be cared for in a setting by people who are understanding of their particular needs. I believe that this is simply not an ideal but is, in fact, the practice in every case ..

The Minister went on to say:

I am unaware — in fact I could not envisage a situation — where if the parents or a parent died or something happened suddenly that a mentally handicapped child or adult would not be looked after.

On 31 January a statement was made by the manager of St. Michael's House, Mr. Moloney, in relation to Samantha Webb:

It used to be the case that a parent had to die for a child to get a residential place but that is not enough any more. There are two places coming up soon but they will go to people worse off than Samantha, if you can imagine that.

Is it any wonder that the Minister is short on credibility when his own statements have no substance? However, it is never enough simply to criticise. Fine Gael have consistently, over recent years, put forward an alternative strategy to reorganise the health service. Last September, this policy was strongly vindicated by the recommendations of the Health Commission. Their singular most significant recommendation was the need to change the present administrative structure. I should like to briefly quote from page 15 and the summary of their conclusions:

The kernel of the Commission's conclusion is that the solution to the problem facing the Irish health services does not lie primarily in the system of funding but rather in the way that services are planned, organised and delivered. The present administrative structures have a number of weaknesses. They confuse political and executive functions, undermining both. They fail to achieve a proper balance between national and local decision-making. The decision-making process does not provide a sufficient role for information and evaluation. Accountability within the structure is inadequate; there is insufficient integration of related services and the interests of individual patients and clients are not adequately represented.

They go on to clearly define the need to set up an alternative approach, the need to set up a national executive health agency, a system of evaluation, to define the roles of the hospitals and the different constituent structures and to set up an independent appeals mechanism so that patients and clients can get their rights. What happened? The Minister, having kicked to touch for two years, said he could not make any decision about the long term reorganisation of the health service until he received the report. What did he do? He did not issue a statement either for or against the recommendations and said he would ask for everybody's opinion on the report. We fundamentally believe that until the delivery of our health care service is taken out of the Department of Health and put into a semi-State organisation which will professionally manage all aspects of health care, we will not see an improvement in the standard of our health care services. The role of the Minister and the Department should simply be to establish minimum legal rights for patients, an appeal system for consumer dissatisfaction, an overall policy role, total authority over funding and a legislative role.

The day to day delivery of health care should be put into a professional executive agency, a bord sláinte, similar to the relationship between the NHS and the Department of Health and Social Security in Britain. At present, the Department of Health try to oversee the day to day management of health boards, voluntary public hospitals, voluntary organisations which provide mainline health services and other bodies covering everything from the Health Research Board to the National Rehabilitation Board. Such a board could bring a professionalism and competence that is sadly lacking in our current health services. They would immediately identify savings and reinvest this money in the front line of health care where extra resources are needed. I should like to give examples of where practical savings can be made.

Fine Gael believe that up to £28 million could be saved on our drugs bill by renegotiating in a commercial fashion the way we purchase drugs. Our drugs bill in 1989 was £165 million. Of this, £125 million related to general practitioners prescribing and £40 million through hospitals.

There are two types of basic drugs. Branded drugs have a patent life of maybe ten to 14 years. No one else can produce that medical compound except the company with the patent. However, when the lifetime of the patent is ended, anyone can produce that identical medical compound provided they get a licence from the National Drugs Advisory Board. This does not mean that they will produce a "yellow pack", a thrift or a St. Bernard equivalent of the drug, they must produce the identical medical compound of exactly the same quality. Generic drugs — or branded equivalents as they are called because they usually have a brand name — are 30 per cent cheaper than the branded product.

What do we find when we look at our drugs expenditure of £165 million? Up to £96 million was on branded drugs which could have been substituted by generics or branded equivalents. A 30 per cent saving on £96 million is £28 million. The present deal which the Department of Health negotiated with the Federation of Irish Chemical Industries expires next July and it is vital that the Minister and the Government act to ensure much better value for money. This will not only bring about more Irish jobs — because there is a substantial generic chemical industry in Ireland — it will bring the price of branded drugs down. We must move from being linked to UK prices because they are simply out of line with those on the Continent. This is a clear example of where a lack of a commercial modern professional approach is costing patients and staff vital resources that are so urgently needed in the areas of geriatric care and mental handicap.

A semi-State body would quickly establish non health areas that are at present administered by our health service which is unnecessary and simply amounts to administrative duplication. We have throughout the country a network of community welfare officers and income maintenance through supplementary welfare allowance, disabled person's maintenance allowance and so on, which would more effectively be administered by the Department of Social Welfare with their network of social welfare officers. Similarly, we have a dual structure of optical and dental treatment schemes whereby currently medical card holders or the 40 per cent of the population who are poorest get nothing effectively, whereas some company directors and bank managers can have free dental care under the PRSI scheme. We need to take all treatment benefit schemes and place them under the Department of Health. This reorganisation would save money and provide a better service.

The Minister has often said that the cheapest and simplest form of medical care is at the primary level of the general practitioners' surgery. This is, of course, correct yet, when we look at areas like Tallaght and Clondalkin — I visited Tallaght last week, an area with a population of 80,000 people — we find that general practitioners there have to refer all their patients into city-based hospitals in order to obtain the most basic of diagnostic services such as X-ray facilities, blood tests and physiotherapy.

Why can the Minister not put in place in the local health clinic at Tallaght, and at community care level generally, these facilities available directly to general practitioners instead of having to refer every patient to our over-stretched hospitals such as St. James's? We need to radically review our medical management to build up and strengthen general practice, including such work as ECGS, on a quick and more effective basis. There is no use in telling the people of Tallaght that they will have to wait. We must bear in mind that the people there have to take two and three children on a chaotic public transport system to the city hospitals. Are we telling them that they will have to wait until 1993 before the Tallaght hospital will be built?

The Minister also consistently points to the high proportion of our health expenditure that is absorbed by our hospitals. What has he done to streamline expenditure on our hospital system other than to apply cash limits which are based on nothing more than last year's expenditure of money for each hospital? Let us take two hospitals with a budget of £10 million. One hospital may achieve savings and have an outturn of £9.9 million while the other may go over budget and spend £11 million. In effect, what the Minister is doing by cutting them both by 3 per cent is saying to the good manager, "Do not achieve any more savings or I will penalise you", and he is condoning the budget of the hospital that over-spent. We do not have a national hospital plan setting out the exact requirements, in conjunction with Comhairle na nOspidéal, of tertiary services, regional services and county surgical and medical facilities. We need a national network of community hospitals that will provide low technology hospital care to relieve the pressure on expensive acute hospital beds which can cost up to £1,500 per week.

It is those hospitals, such as former district hospitals, fever hospitals and sanitoriums, that have been taken out of the system in the past three years and were so sadly lacking to deal with the recent requirements of the elderly at risk. Combined with this national hospital plan we need clinical budgeting which will link the level of money issued to a hospital to the level of output or treatment it is to provide on a reasonable basis of costings, for example, £3,500 for a hip replacement operation. At the moment, we do not have enough basic information in place to make assessments as to which hospitals are giving better value for money.

The third piece of reorganisation that is necessary in relation to hospitals is the internal management of each hospital. We have a lack of professionalism and training here. All the elements of hospital accommodation, catering, heating, laundry services, and purchasing, require the most up-to-date techniques as well as an input from clinicians to ensure the best use of resources. There is no coherent policy by the Minister, or his Department, to put in place such a strategy for our hospitals.

The Minister must deal with the inequalities in relation to hospital treatment. It has been clearly pointed out in the health commission's report that the common contract for hospital consultants is a factor in this. We need more consultant appointments in our hospitals especially in relation to certain specialities, and we need a greater full-time public sector commitment. I believe there is a willingness by consultants to enter into meaningful discussions to ensure that our waiting lists are eliminated. Yet, the Minister has not put in place any genuine proposals to get to grips with this situation.

It is interesting to note that in the costings of many aspects of health care in relation to hospitals the difference between the cost of five day care hospitals on a Monday to Friday basis and seven day hospital care is almost double. We need to radically examine what elective treatments can be carried out on a five day basis by simply reorganising the timetables of consultants and hospital staff. This, of course, is separate to the ongoing seven day 24-hour need for accident/emergency admissions and care.

The Minister has often referred to the future cost of the health service with the developments of new technology and the impossibility of funding these welcome developments. It is regrettable that the Minister has taken no steps to consider how the EC level, or even with bilateral arrangements with health services abroad, such as Britain, we could pool our resources to develop the latest high technology expertise so that operations such as liver transplants would be freely available here. Tragically, every liver transplant operation here has been unsuccessful. For a country of our size this is the only logical way to proceed on a rational basis.

In relation to community care, we need to recognise the particular needs of the elderly. The number of people over 65 years will increase by 7.4 per cent between the 20-year period of 1981 to the year 2001. Within those figures the age group over 75 years will rise by more than 20 per cent and over 80 years will rise by 28 per cent. We need to now plan for their needs. An excellent report, The Years Ahead, produced by a group under the chairmanship of Mr. Robbins, a former Assistant Secretary of the Department, documented what we need to do. That report stated that there are three target groups, the elderly who live alone in the community, those with their own family relatives who are trying to cope, and, thirdly, those who require residential care. The report stated that we need to put in place sheltered housing for those who live alone. It should be in a central location that will have the backup of meals-on-wheels, that will link in with a proper security system and will give them specialist services such as chiropody.

Nothing is happening at local level between local authorities and health boards to prepare such a programme of sheltered housing. We continue to have the minimalist approach to assistance and allowances to the elderly and those being cared for in their homes. The prescribed relatives' allowance is so restrictive that one cannot get it if one is a married woman of if one has any other income. I have no doubt that old age pensioners will lose their free electricity allowance and their telephone rental allowance if a son or daughter goes to live with them to care for them on a full-time basis. We do not have a positive plan to care for the elderly in their home environment. We need now to establish a uniform system of geriatric assessment committees, geriatric departments in acute hospitals and uniform adequate levels of residential care throughout the country. It is estimated that 4 per cent of the elderly require residential care. The present crazy ad hoc system of subventions to nursing homes is unacceptable and is causing deep distress to many patients and elderly people.

Unless there is a coherent strategy to deal in this way with the elderly living alone in the community, living at home with their families, or requiring residential care, every winter will be like the present one, where elderly people at risk will require hospitalisation and it simply will not be available to them adequately. I issue that warning to the Minister.

Any semblance of a coherent preventative health policy is absent from the present Minister, apart from a few photo opportunities of exercises with models. I regret there was no increase in the taxation on cigarettes in this year's budget, and I would specifically like to see a proportion of proceeds of tax revenue from tobacco used to promote the availability to all of free bi-annual health checkups to highlight individual ill-health, earlier diagnosis, and effective screening.

Our hospital admission system has a number of increasing problems. We have moved from one situation where people have died on trolleys due to lack of beds, to the other where accident/emergency admissions have completely closed down routine admission departments and caused mass cancellation of appointments. At the present time in Dublin a general practitioner can no longer refer in a patient directly to a hospital bed. Instead, they must go through the accident/emergency system only to have their patients seen by a doctor who is many years junior in experience and in qualifications to the non-consultant hospital doctor. The Minister must immediately arrange for more senior doctors to be appointed to oversee the admission systems to our Dublin hospitals. This must include a system whereby general practitioners can obtain immediate access for seriously ill patients into hospital. Ongoing monitoring of patients should take place in casualty to ascertain the delays in seeing doctors, and flexible arrangements should be put in place so that we will not have the farce we had in Ennis and Kilkenny hospitals where people were piled up in corridors at a time when in the same building there were locked wards and empty beds.

This motion is not, as the Minister would like to present it, a cynical political exercise. It is the culmination of almost three years of frustration by the general public in relation to our health services. This frustration has centred on an essential inequality of access to health care, which is unfair and worsening. As I have outlined, for a public patient in need of a serious operation the time when this will be performed, and one's access to hospital is dependent on whether one is a member of the VHI. Fundamental to the beliefs of my party is the fact that there should be equality of access to hospital care. There should be equality of access to dental care. That system has broken down. If I wished to be purely party political I could remind the Minister that when he was in Opposition he orchestrated a campaign throughout the country during which slogans were put on hoardings that health cuts hurt the old, the sick and the handicapped. He was the one who, with the present Taoiseach, ensured that Fianna Fáil dominated and controlled the health boards and ensured that any reasonable, rational curtailment of expenditure put forward by the then Minister was not met. They ran up huge deficits. Fianna Fáil majorities on the health boards made those decisions and frustrated the then Government.

This has no useful purpose. Instead we must refocus on the needs of the people we all seek to serve. I greatly regret that the only real response the Minister and the Government have made to this motion has been to concoct a secret, localised backstreet deal with Deputy Fahey to secure his vote and the Minister's survival. It is similar to the deal which took place last June in the discussions with Deputy Foxe. Like the Fahey deal, they will be seen to be strictly short-term and meaningless. The net effect is to demoralise further those working in the front line of health care as they see the only way to obtain change is through political blackmail and political expediency.

This Minister for Health, and more especially this Cabinet, have not learned the lessons of the last general election. They have ignored the chorus of concern from all involved in the health sector and are simply content to rely on short-term meagre responses. If the Minister continues to ignore the medium term changes that are required in the health service and fails to have any vision of where the health services will be throughout the nineties, the position will only deteriorate further. In other countries, given such unprecedented concern over health services, the Minister would feel obliged to take the only honourable course open to him and resign. Given his stubborn refusal to consider this, I call on Deputies on this side of the House to pass their verdict on this Minister's performance and support the motion.

I listened to the two Deputies from Wexford, both from the same constituency and spokespersons for health for their respective parties. Listening to them during the past year or two, it seems they are dreaming that some day there will be again a Fine Gael-Labour Coalition. They recognise that both of them cannot be Minister for Health and they will have to try to upstage each other in the meantime to see which will win out.

I was in Wexford on Friday last and visited the hospital there. I was very impressed by the caring and dedicated staff and the very high quality and level of service provided there. I met only one complaint, to the effect that their two Deputies are running around the country chasing hares and neither has ever stood up in this House and said a word about the excellent service available in Wexford or acknowledged that although Deputy Garret FitzGerald when Taoiseach went to Wexford and promised to start building the hospital in 1986 they had to wait until this Government came to power. I allocated the money so that Wexford hospital could start and I was very glad to see the progress which has been made.

Barry Desmond provided that money.

I understand that a member of The Workers' Party will speak after me. I do not know whether Deputy De Rossa will lead for them, but I am sure he will have informed his spokesman, based on his new-found European experience, that the other European countries are facing the same difficulties we faced in the health services in trying to fund an ever-increasing demand. I am sure he will tell his spokesmen that the 'flu epidemic which has spread across Europe caused exactly the same problems and was dealt with in exactly the same way as it was dealt with here.

Deputy Yates referred to two patients whose cases he wished to have investigated. I am surprised that he has not sent me the letters before now but I will be very glad to investigate those cases. The significant point, which Deputy Yates himself has made, is that the decisions were made on the basis of medical assessment, not for any other reason.

In the past few months some Members of the Opposition have proved that it is very easy to become popular on the health issue by following a few simple rules. They start making outlandish claims. We have plenty of them tonight which will be dealt with either by me or one of my colleagues. There have been claims about numbers of people sneaking into hospital beds through casualty wards. Never mind if the claim is true or not — by the time the facts are discovered the moving finger that writes the headlines will have moved on. They exploit any old person, any sick person, any handicapped person whose story can be peddled.

Disgraceful.

They blame everything on cutbacks, even if their own party has spent years baying for cutbacks and even if the particular problem has nothing at all to do with cutbacks. Talk about inefficiency makes the speaker sound wise and he will never have to prove anything specific.

Health cuts hurt the old, the sick and the young.

Getting popular on the back of the health issue has been easy for Opposition spokesmen who lash the hardworking, highly educated, highly professional doctors and nurses of this country as providing a Third World health service. This is a desperate slur on the very caring professionals in our health services. That happened last seek. It was said by the Whip of a party who would see themselves as an alternative Government.

It is true. There is one nurse per 58 patients.

Of course, simple solutions help too, like throwing more borrowed money at the problem.

Let us have an orderly debate.

Deputies will be greatly helped, if they go down this road, by the immediacy of radio and television. One can pour forth any amount of stories and by the time the facts are available to contradict these claims the programme has moved on. Deputy Yates can go on a television programme and state that 56 out of 57 patients in the diabetic unit in Beaumont Hospital had come in through the accident and emergency unit. The Minister would not have an answer to that.

It was the Mater.

The Minister would not have an answer because it is not true. By the time the diabetic consultant in Beaumont has angrily denied the claim Deputy Yates is no longer on prime time television and he can murmur apologetically in this House that he must have got the name of the hospital a bit wrong.

I openly admitted it. It was the Mater Hospital.

If I were cynical I would be amused by this or resigned to it but unfortunately I am not cynical. I am genuinely sickened by the instant reputations being built on a pretence of concern. It is all wrong to trot out simple answers to one of the most complex and difficult issues facing all developed nations at this time.

I am not cynical because when I address the House today I am not just talking about a ministerial portfolio; I am talking about my life's work, my life's commitment. When I qualified I spent three years in hospital practice. I went into general practice in 1963, believing I had completed my medical education. In fact it was only beginning because my patients started to educate me. Every day in my surgery my patients taught me lessons that have added up to a set of essential principles for me.

My patients taught me that treatment is not the first thing sick people need. The first thing sick people need is someone to listen with respect and sensitivity.

Does that happen in the casualty wards — people listening with sensitivity?

Have a bit of manners.

Deputy Shatter, Deputies Howlin and Yates were allowed to make their opening contributions devoid of any interruption whatsoever.

Not so. I was heckled.

Deputy Howlin, you made your speech without interruption.

That is not so.

Deputy Howlin, I insist that the Minister be allowed to make his speech without interruption.

It might be appropriate for Deputy Shatter, Deputy Dukes and Deputy Yates that my patients taught me that fear sickens people and makes them less able to cope. Knowing what is going on and when one is to be treated is vital. They taught me that the word "home" has a warm significance for Irish people, something it does not have to quite the same extent in other countries. Irish people settle. They do not move home that much, on average. When they are sick, disabled or handicapped or just old they want to be cared for in their own home as long as possible. I believe that is a basic human need. My patients have taught me that efficiency is important but that the patient must always come first. They taught me that family support prevents illness and supports those who get sick and that since no system in the world can replace that support the State should always seek to make it possible. My patients taught me that old people are a valuable precious resource and that a decent society cares for its older people. It does not just warehouse them. They taught me that information is the essential factor in preventive medicine.

The Minister is a slow learner.

Deputy Higgins should restrain himself.

Given the information, most people do a good job of managing their lifestyle, so getting health information to people is vital. My patients taught me trust. People do not wake a GP up at 3 a.m. for nothing. There is always a reason. There is always a need. Above all, I learned to admire my patients for their courage in the face of pain, diminution and death and for their serenity in the face of random disaster.

I was learning these lessons nearly 30 years ago and seeing important patterns emerging. It was clear, for example, even that far back, that mentally handicapped children were going to live longer than had been the case up to then and that they would require care that did not exist at the time. I was an early member of an association working for the mentally handicapped.

The reason I got into politics was that I could sense we were on the verge of massive change in health care and I wanted to make sure that the health service reflected what I was learning from my patients. Yes, I had other concerns. There were other political issues I was interested in but health was always at the forefront.

I brought into politics with me a clear vision of the health service I believed was right for this country. What I wanted — and what I am now beginning to get into place — is a health service that starts with respect for the patient.

God help us.

Patients are entitled to expect equity in the way they are treated. Patients are entitled to expect to be treated as consumers.

Patients are entitled to information. Patients are entitled to appeals systems which allow them to have wrongs righted. What I wanted — and am now getting into place — is a health service where quality of care to the patient is the guiding principle for delivery of service. What I wanted was an efficient health service, where money goes to those who deliver, where structures actually serve needs, and where all of this is measured, not guessed at. What I wanted was a health service which built on the great caring traditions of Ireland — the family traditions, the religious order traditions — and added in the realities of business efficiency and value for taxpayers' money.

The health service for the coming decades has to be a network of services, not a series of independent empires. It has to be high-tech, yes, but it must also major on community management of health problems. It has to be devoted to cure, yes, but it must also concentrate on care, so that the chronically ill or handicapped get the best quality of life possible. It has to run along two parallel imperatives: the patient comes first and cost effective efficiency is essential.

When I became Minister for Health I started on the process of bringing my vision into reality. I did it because it was the right thing to do. I stopped the irresponsible overspending in the health service. I rescued a service that was sinking deeper into debt. It was sinking deeper into debt as a result of the policies being pursued by the Fine Gael-Labour Government of the day who were overspending.

Who controls the health boards?

I did it by rationalising acute hospitals, protecting key services and directing resources to the most appropriate providers of care as finance became available. The end result has been three years of sustained hostile reaction fanned by the political parties on the other side who had been calling for precisely the same action I took, but while I was taking all of that reaction, I never lost sight of where I wanted to take the health service. In 1987 I established the Commission on Health Funding under the chairmanship of Dr. Miriam Hederman-O'Brien to report to me on the most appropriate method of financing the health services.

Much of the commission's analyses confirmed my own beliefs which indicate that the way forward has to be based on a number of key principles. The overriding principle is to provide a comprehensive equitable and efficient health care system based on prevention, diagnosis, treatment, management and rehabilitation. The focus is to be on the patient at all times. There will be a practical rather than an ideological approach to organisational structures: any changes in structures will take account of the needs of patients and of the strengths and traditions of individual organisations within an overall framework for delivery of services. It must also reflect the interests of the patient, the people who deliver the services and the taxpayer. Particular emphasis will be placed on developing primary health care so that patients are dealt with at the level appropriate to their need. Better information on health needs and the performance and costs of individual services and institutions will be generated for policy formulation and management. A high quality management will be sustained and developed as a tool for the achievement of a better service. Accountability for the use of resources in accordance with service requirements will be strengthened.

I am now going to outline an action programme for 1990 and beyond based on these key principles and starting with two significant initiatives which are being put into place this week.

Both will produce results within the Dáil session and allow me to bring more detailed and specific plans to Government before the summer recess.

These two initiatives are being headed by people with proven track records. Mr. Noel Fox, who has been instrumental in the successful re-positioning of the voluntary health insurance, is to conduct an immediate efficiency review of acute hospitals.

It is like cutting back services to people.

It is intended that this review will be carried out in conjunction with the efficiency audit group established by the Government to examine the workings and practices of public service organisations or agencies as part of their drive to improve efficiency.

Another committee, No. 26.

Mr. Fox's task is to identify what hospitals have a highly efficient practice in place and to make sure that that efficient caring practice becomes general, not specific to one particular hospital. That is why Mr. Fox's group is moving in immediately and with a tight brief and a deadline. I will be bringing a report, based on what Mr. Fox recommends to Government before the Dáil recess, a report leading to policy, leading to action. Mr. David Kennedy will head up a Dublin hospital's initiative to examine admissions policy, out-patients arrangements and discharge arrangements for patients needing longer term support outside the hospital.

Does the Minister not know what arrangements there are at present?

Hospitals, in my vision of the health service, are part of a tightly integrated network of care. It is doubtful that this network of care will happen accidentally or simply because the Department of Health say it must. Mr. Kennedy will be ensuring that it does. He will indicate not just what should be done but how it should be done. He will be heading up an action group and the result of his work will be included in the wider documentation going to Government in this Dáil session. What I will be going to Government with will be realistic, unlike some of the wild notions Deputy Yates and others have been floating.

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Essentially, what they are looking for is the concept of a standby hospital. If Deputy Yates has his way every area would have its own hospital plus a standby hospital filled with empty beds so that when the worst 'flu in 20 years strikes you will not have to push beds together or anything awkward like that. You have a hospital full of empty beds and unused staff just waiting for the call. That is what the Opposition have been advocating over the last two months.

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But then Deputy Yates does not have to develop serious responses to emerging situations, as I have. Let me give the House one example of a situation that had to be coped with, over here in the real word. Our acute services came under unusual pressure as a result of 'flu and respiratory disease in December and January last. I acknowledge that this exceptional activity involved our hospital services in a very substantial additional cost just at the time when, in the normal course of events, they would have planned to reduce activity in line with normal seasonal patterns. As a result, their expenditure planning, both for 1989 and 1990 have been significantly affected. I want to state here and now that the agreed cost of this additional activity will be met by my Department in such a way that it will not intrude on the services which they would have planned to provide in 1990. In addition I will ensure that at a minimum, the overall level of hospital activity in the latter part of 1989 including the special initiative on waiting lists, will be continued through 1990 and that includes the substantial number of beds that were opened throughout 1989.

There were times this week when it struck me that Deputy Yates should have been in the film business, he was releasing so many trailers in advance of the real show. One of the trailers was a big statement — which he repeated here tonight — about saving millions by switching over to generic drugs. Of course Deputy Yates, in coming up with this instant solution, does not have to take into consideration patients' rights and the right of doctors to prescribe what they see fit for their patients. There is no immediate saving of £28 million to be made by the use of generics. It is a wild claim based on a half understanding.

When a drug has been around for a while, its patent expires and companies, apart from the manufacturer who first developed it, can then produce it and sell it. So, one can buy aspirin under a brand name, or buy plain aspirin. Generics are cheaper. Yes, we must have savings in our drugs bill. That is why I gave the Federation of Irish Chemical Industries 12 months' notice that I was terminating the agreement with them on drug prices, the agreement developed by the then Minister for Health, Deputy Barry Desmond.

I do not think we get good enough value and I will make sure we get better value. We have already achieved substantial savings on our drug bill. We have brought the spending under control, partly by the increased use of generics. I have always advised my medical colleagues of the need for responsible prescribing and encouraged them to use generic products where their efficiency is of equal value to the patient. The Department will be issuing a drug formulary to all doctors in practice which will include information on generics among other things. I will be getting the doctors to agree to the idea that these actions can and should yield savings. This is expressed in the drugs formulary which will be handed to the doctors soon.

The claims of Deputy Yates about the scope of savings of £28 million on drug costs which can be spent in other parts of the service are simplistic and display little understanding of what influences costs. Such claims take no account of the growing numbers of expensive but therapeutically benefical drugs that have come on the market in recent times. Deputies will be familiar with a number of examples themselves, such as AZT used in the control of AIDs. At present, AZT treatment is costing one Dublin hospital about £180,000 per year, for a total of just 60 patients. Evidence is growing that the drug may also be of therapeutic benefit for a further 160 AIDs patients who are at a different stage of development of the condition. This would obviously increase the costs further.

There is a growing number of other examples of highly expensive life-saving drugs which have become available recently. An increasing number are on the GMS list and others are supplied in public hospitals. Examples include drugs used after organ transplants. Now it is recommended that a very expensive drug, some brands costing £300,000 per injection, should be given to everybody who suffers a heart attack. In addition there are drugs for cancer, mostly confined to hospitals until recently, which have been added to the GMS list.

These products are generally patent-protected and not, therefore, subject to price competition. As a result they are often extremely costly. The crucial issue, however, is that without their use many patients would die. Once the drugs are available there is an understandable public expectation that they will be made available to those in need of them. I would be interested to hear Deputy Yates's views on how we should approach this issue. Are we to put savings in drugs costs before patients' lives? In this environment of expensive, life-saving drugs and other preparations it is difficult to understand how he can expect to achieve an immediate saving of £28 million.

Certainly there is scope for further control of drug costs. It is essential that we do not achieve this at the expense of patient care. I will continue to seek out methods of controlling expenditure but it must be consistent with the welfare of patients. This aspect of drug costs is part of an approach to the health service which frightens and appals me every time I see it raised by the Deputy. It is an empty inhuman mechanistic approach which starts with balance sheets and sees patients as units: as if the health service were just a variation on the ESB or of an Bord Telecom. A telephone is the same on Valentia Island as it is in Wexford or in the centre of Dublin. The health services are not. They are complex and must respond to the needs in particular areas.

On this issue, since so much has been made of it, I would like to explain to the House just one of the realities about generics which is being ignored. Generics can only be developed when a product has been around for a decade or so. The generic option simply does not exist in relation to the more expensive new drugs. One of the drugs used for AIDs patients costs £4,000 per year per patient. There are many newer drugs which are both expensive and necessary and cannot be substituted by generics.

Patients are looking for a health service that treats them with respect, that listens sensitively to patients and responds to real need. That is the kind of health service I want to build for the nineties and tonight I am announcing substantial steps towards it. This action will see an effective appointments system established in all major hospitals to reduce delays in all out-patient departments. Appointments will be spread throughout the working day so that patients will not have to wait around in hospitals unnecessarily. I will be requiring hospitals, within weeks, to submit for my approval a hospital code of conduct covering the information to be given to patients before, during and after treatment and visiting arrangements and amenities for patients and their relatives. This will lead quickly to a national patients' charter. My Department will be sitting down immediately with health service managements to set up a patient feed-back mechanism within each hospital, so that quality assurance and good communication are built into every aspect of their operations.

Outside of the hospitals themselves I am immediately setting up a formal appeals procedure on eligibility for medical cards under section 47 of the Health Act, 1970, so that people who do not feel they have got what they are entitled to can have their problems addressed.

One of the difficulties about coping with the hidden health revolution, and about getting value for money spent on health, is that we do not have enough of the right kind of information. We do not have full information on epidemiology. We do not have full information on services. I am not saying that this information does not exist. Of course it exists; but it exists in pockets isolated from each other and is, therefore, of little use. If one is running a hospital and one knows a patient needs further care, one may not have the information at the flick of a button as to the appropriate place to send the patient and the mechanics of transfer. Another example is that if an irresponsible person with a vested interest, political or otherwise, makes an inaccurate claim about over-crowding, the Department of Health may take hours or days tracking down the facts, whereas they should be accessible within minutes.

That will change. I would add that one of the reasons for the delay in computerising the system is that when the Fine Gael-Labour Coalition were in Government they insisted that the system then in existence was archaic. Deputy Yates referred to the establishment of committees. I am not an expert in computers, and I make no apology for establishing a committee which reported to me in six weeks. I adopted their proposals on the best way forward in computerisation and I am glad to say we are making very successful progress in that regard. An essential element of my programme for the computerisation of the health services is the radical upgrading of the information systems nationally and at local health board and hospital level. The right information will be gathered, analysed and applied to what goes on and where in the health services.

If the new health service is to work it must be operated by highly skilled managers. To improve management throughout our health service I will be taking three actions: I am allowing for the appointment of additional specialist managers in a number of key areas — recently we appointed one in Cork Regional hospital; I am providing more training support for existing managers, including placement abroad, if necessary, in centres of excellence; I will be putting management training at the disposal of hospital consultants and senior nursing staffs.

Accountability for money spent must be improved dramatically. This may require changes in the terms and conditions of staff. In particular, I want to strengthen the management role and corporate responsibility of consultant and medical staff. Consultants are not outsiders putting people into hospital beds and fighting for space. They are insiders who must see themselves as part of a team and who must see the care of their patient as requiring a balance of short-term and long-term services. In the immediate future I will be asking a number of hospitals, on a pilot basis, to budget departmentally so that clinicians and hospital managements will be able to review the cost effectiveness of existing practices on a sound basis.

All of what I have announced will give us the capacity to manage resources more efficiently. It will not do, as Deputy Yates makes out, to approach health and health spending as if one were pushing 5p coins into a meter to get a certain number of units of electricity. It cannot be systemised like that. We must fund hospitals on throughout, on delivery, rather than just on the basis of what they got the last time around. One would not run a business that way; in order to provide the best care for patients, health must be run as a business. As the man on whose desk the buck stops, I must be able to ask what we are paying, what we are getting and if we could do better, and I must get precise answers.

It is only with those precise answers that I can allay the real fears of people, deliberately whipped up by some Members of this House, about the level and kind of service they will get if they are ill. Let us be accurate; it is a long time since people felt so unsure of their health service. People in Ireland are not alone in that. Much richer countries than ours have spent billions of pounds more than we have but with poorer results in terms of life expectancy and the cost of treatment to an individual. We, on the other hand, have taken a situation which was out of control when we came into Government in 1987 and halted the slide. As a Government we have addressed all of these problems continuously throughout a three-year period, coping with the immediate problems and setting down guidelines for the future while at the same time coping with endless untruths coming from the Opposition. Yet more of these untruths surfaced on today's "Morning Ireland" programme; there were five untruths in four minutes by Deputy Yates.

I have a letter from the administrator of the Eye and Ear Hospital——

One of these untruths was that people may go permanently blind waiting for cataract operations. What does that sort of untruth do for people? It is not true that anybody went permanently blind while waiting for a cataract operation. It did not happen in any part of the country and to suggest that it did is totally irresponsible and very cruel.

I have a letter——

May I remind Deputy Yates and Deputy Connor——

They are very quiet.

——that this is a debate and not a series of interruptions. If either Deputy interrupts again I shall have to speak to him. The Minister to continue without interruption from any side.

Very substantial progress has been made in recent years in providing a modern base from which to deliver health care. Our acute hospital development programme has given us some of the most modern facilities in Europe, while the provision of modern residential and day care centres has had an equally important impact on the other care programmes. The Government are preparing a five year capital programme, the main objectives of which will be to ensure that the physical infrastructure is in place to meet the service goals which we have set ourselves, while ensuring that the fabric of existing services is maintained. It is no less important for health care that we should be in a position to replace equipment which is coming to the end of its useful life, than that we should have fine new buildings. The details of this programme will be finalised over the coming months, with immediate attention to those needs which are creating difficulty in delivering an adequate or efficient service to patients.

Recent publicity about the needs of the health services focused almost exclusively on acute hospitals. There are pressures and particular problems in this sector but I must shape our health services in a balanced way. One of the principal deficiencies of health care policy over many years has been the relative lack of investment in community care services. That is not going to continue. A major indication of the Government's serious intent in this regard for the future was contained in the budget. The Minister for Finance announced the provision of significant additional sums for key areas in the community care programme: services for the elderly, dental services and services for the mentally handicapped. The practical impact of these increased allocations are as follows.

The report of the Working Party on Services for the Elderly, The Years Ahead, stressed the importance of community services in providing care for the elderly in the most appropriate setting, with access to acute hospitals and nursing units as necessary. The recent 'flu epidemic further highlighted the need for convalescent, nursing and home care services so that patients can, whenever possible, be treated at home and, if admitted to hospital, can be discharged quickly to a safe, caring and curing environment.

The additional allocation of £5 million to services for the elderly and the manner in which it is to be spent, demonstrates the Government's commitment to the improvement of services to meet these needs. Half of the £5 million will be allocated to help strengthen home care, including home nursing and home help support. The additional funding will provide for more than 10,000 additional home nursing weeks. It will also enable 3,000 elderly people to receive substantially increased home help support. This money will be allocated to each health board on the basis of its proportion of the elderly population.

A sum of £2 million has been allocated to provide more facilities for increased day care, short-term and long-stay care for the elderly, and the improved treatment of respiratory disorders. Five hundred thousand pounds has been allocated for additional nursing home places for the relief of families who are caring for heavily dependent elderly people at home. The main funding will be directed to the Eastern Health Board area where there have been particular shortfalls due to a sharp increase in the numbers of the heavily dependent elderly. The increased funding will enable up to an additional 240 people in a year to be assisted for a period of six months.

In the context of the care of the elderly, I must also mention that the prescribed relative's allowance, which is administered by my colleague, the Minister for Social Welfare, Deputy Michael Woods, will be replaced by a new carers' allowance worth £45 a week to be introduced next October. This will provide more effective support for those caring for their elderly relatives, and will complement the improvements being made to the various support services in the health area.

The Government have been aware for some time of the inadequacies of the dental service being provided by the health boards for eligible persons. The Government have now decided to make an additional £3 million available to the health board dental service in order to bring about an improvement in services for eligible adults and children to treat more priority orthodontic cases. As the House knows, we made an extra £300,000 available last year for urgent orthodontic cases.

The health boards will be given a degree of autonomy with regard to the measures they take to improve services for the elderly and dental services. However, each board will be required to lay down and achieve targets to ensure that the best possible use is made of the additional funds now being provided.

I mentioned that I have been interested in the needs of the mental handicapped for many years. Things have changed during those years.

They have got worse.

Mentally handicapped people are living longer and require services longer. Some adults are occupying places which otherwise would be available for children. These children need access to services to promote their development and to prevent them developing secondary disabilities.

The needs of the mentally handicapped can be better met by the more co-ordinated approach to the delivery of care now being adopted. The regional co-ordination committees, which include the main providers of mental handicap services, both statutory and voluntary, in each region have been asked to agree plans for the development of services over the next five years. Pending the receipt of this plan priority is to be given to persons who have either no service or an inadequate one. The Government have made an additional £2 million available to meet the most urgent needs. This money will provide additional places in full-time residential care, in respite care, day care and expanded family support services, all in 1990.

The measures announced in the budget represent the beginning of a programme of action in those areas over the coming years to boost our community services. I have been concerned for many years about the organisation of general practice in Dublin and I intend to take steps to strengthen the contribution of general practice to the care of patients, especially for service outside normal hours. Better organisation can mean that patients who do not need acute hospital care will not burden the accident and emergency departments of our hospitals. I have already initiated discussions on this issue with representatives of general practitioners, both the Irish Medical Organisation and the College of General Practitioners.

The measures I have outlined tonight represent, at least in part, a response to the report of the Commission on Health Funding. A further element of the Government's response will be made clear when, before the summer recess, we announce decisions on the future administrative arrangements for the health services. Further decisions on the funding and eligibility issues covered in the commission's report will be announced when the Government have had an opportunity to consider the review body report on the conditions of employment of consultants. The Gleeson report will be directly relevant to the Government's consideration of the organisation of hospital services.

The debate over the past few weeks has been awash with untruths, frighteners and unchecked claims. Tonight, I am laying before the House a wide-ranging strategy including a commitment to maintain through 1990 overall hospital activity including the special initiative on waiting lists in the latter half of 1989; an outline of precisely how the £10 million allocated in the budget to community care will be spent and a commitment to further development in this area; a major initiative on efficiency in the health service to be headed by Noel Fox; an initiative on Dublin hospital services to be headed by David Kennedy; a radical new approach to patient care, with appointment systems in all hospitals; a patient consumer care plan for all agencies; an appeals system for medical card cases; a clear commitment to a five year capital programme to implement policy and replace equipment, and information systems will be greatly improved and management development stepped up.

Two further major announcements will be made shortly and decisions on structures will be made before the summer recess. Following the Gleeson report I will be making further announcements on eligibility, the public/private mix and the consultants' contracts.

I have now put the health services on course for the nineties. This does not mean there will not be problems, but if we deal with them in an honest and realistic way as opposed to using opportunism as has been the case in recent weeks we can provide the people with a first-class health service.

It is important to note at this point following the Minister's speech while it is all right in a debate to declare that everybody else is telling lies or untruths, as the Minister kindly framed it and that there is no basis to the claims being made by the Opposition parties about the health services it is contradictory at the same time to announce a series of measures to deal with a crisis which he claims does not exist. Nevertheless this is par for the course in debates in this House.

It is a very serious step for any party to table a vote of no confidence and it is one which should not be taken lightly. As far back as the summer of 1987 The Workers' Party tabled a motion of no confidence in the Minister for Health. The same person fills that position now when it first became clear to us that the basic underlying principle of his policy was to put balancing the books first and the quality of the health service and the welfare of patients second. We are glad, of course, that the other Opposition parties have now come to the same conclusion, are accepting this position and that there is full support on the Opposition Benches for calling on the Minister to resign.

While the motion of no confidence is directed specifically against the Minister for Health, Deputy O'Hanlon, what is at issue are the Government's health policies. It must be remembered that the Minister is implementing Government policies and that all members of the Cabinet, both Fianna Fáil and Progressive Democrats, bear responsibility for the suffering caused by these policies. The Taoiseach as leader of the Government has a particular responsibility for Government policy in each and every area, including health. During the last general election campaign he claimed to have been unaware of the strength of public feeling about the health cuts. He cannot now claim to be unaware of the suffering and the stress caused to so many patients in recent months. The only conclusion that can be drawn is that he does not care.

It must also be pointed out that the health cuts are not a new phenomenon. Every Government since 1982 have cut back on health. While I welcome the fact that Fine Gael have discovered at last the damage the health cuts can do, it has to be pointed out that the crisis in the hospital service which came to a head over the Christmas period was an inevitable consequence of the inadequate funding for health since 1987 and 1988 which Fine Gael supported. The old, the sick and the handicapped have been paying the price of Deputy Dukes' Tallaght strategy which effectively gave Fianna Fáil a blank cheque to implement widespread cutbacks in the health service and other areas.

There are a number of extraordinary aspects to the Minister's performance in recent months. One was his suggestion that the recent problems were attributable to the outbreak of flu. Underlying the Minister's approach was a suggestion that the Government had reduced the overall number of hospital beds because they could not tolerate beds lying empty and unused for most of the year. The hospital service has to be designed to cope not simply with summer conditions when the level of illness is lower but also with winter conditions when health problems are at their worst. This is like saying we do not need a comprehensive fire brigade service because only occasionally do we have major fires. The recent relatively minor flu epidemic led to such chaos in our hospitals that a major epidemic would obviously lead to total chaos. Another extraordinary aspect of the Minister's performance was his attempt to deny any crisis existed and his refusal to listen to the advice of the professionals, the doctors and nurses, who are working in the service. As a medical doctor himself, the Minister should realise that they are the people best placed to know what is going on. There was an unpleasant example of this recently when the Minister publicly contradicted the version of events given by a nurses' representative at University Hospital, Galway. This is management by bluster and a King Canute approach to health policy: if one repeats often enough it might come to pass, but wave after wave of crisis in the public health service is beginning to lap around the Minister's feet. He can repeat as often as he likes that there is no crisis but the professionals who work in the health service and the community who depend upon it have hard experience that the opposite is the case.

My implied criticism of the Minister's reliance on the influence of administrators in these matters does not mean that I go along with the school of thought that argues that the only thing wrong with the service is that there are too many administrators and too few professionals. It is a convenient vehicle for those in the House who do not oppose health cuts as such, and indeed who may have implemented them with relish when their own party was wielding the axe. This school of thought has some adherents who believe there were no cuts before 1987 or if there were they did little damage. It is this which gives rise to the special pleading involved in the attack on clerical and administrative staff in the service. It is a means of being for the cuts while pretending to be against the effects of those cuts but it will not wash. It is as crude as it is uninformed about what has contributed to the current crisis. This does not mean a major and well planned reorganisation of the service is not necessary but if we should have learned one thing in recent years it is that you must draw up the plan first and make the jobs fit the plan. What has been happening steadily in recent years is a strategy of management by cuts and redundancies — implement the cuts and encourage people to leave the service by offering them redundancy and then tailor the service around what is left.

The Workers' Party have never suggested that additional spending on its own will bring a better health service but, combined with a restructuring of the service, additional funding can give the people the quality and range of services they need. The proportion of gross national product we spend on health has been steadily declining and unless there is a commitment to bring the level of spending back up in a planned and phased way the problems will remain. Health spending in 1983 accounted for 7.61 per cent of gross national product but gradually it was brought down to 7.1 per cent in 1986. It had declined to 6.6 per cent in 1987, to 6.24 per cent in 1988 and by 1989 it was down to 5.72 per cent. This year's figure will be roughly the same as last year.

Average spending on health in OECD countries is about 8 per cent of gross national product. Spending on health in this country must be brought up in a steady but phased way to this level. Even with this increase there will, of course, be a need to control expenditure and plan the most efficient use of our resources, not least because the demand for health services will grow and change as the age structure of our population changes with the proportion of elderly people increasing. On that point it must be made very clear to the Minister that there is a very serious crisis in the geriatric services. Today it was brought to my attention that an 89 year-old man was discharged prematurely in the view of his family from St. James's Hospital; he is now a patient in Peamount Hospital suffering from incipient Alzheimer's disease and severe respiratory problems. This man needs institutional care but this is not available. Peamount Hospital has made it clear that it will not be able to keep this man any longer than the day when they regard him as sufficiently recovered when they will release him to go home. His family simply cannot care for him and there is no institutional care available for him.

Control is also necessary because of the exceptional level of inflation in health costs due to the advent of high technology methods of investigation and treatment. The experience all over the world, including Ireland, has been that cost inflation within the health service has outstripped the general level of inflation. This is a further reason that the impact of the cutbacks has been even more severe than would have been the case if demand had remained constant and cost inflation in health was of the average for the general economy.

The people expect, and indeed have a right to expect, a health care system which is capable of giving them the best possible standard of care when they are ill. That expectation is an expression of their collective concern not just for themselves and their immediate family but for families and the community in general. It is an expression of that collective concern which is the opposite of the Thatcherite approach which has been adopted by the Government in relation to the health services and which seems to promote the idea that the individual who can afford to buy health care is entitled to a greater level of care and a greater quality of care.

To achieve the kind of care people require needs very exact planning and the allocation of resources where they will benefit most people. In this context the distortions brought into the health system by the mix of public and private are of central importance and will have to be addressed. There is hope at least in the sense that the Minister has said here tonight he intends to look at that problem.

It has now been recognised, even in the United States, that the market and price mechanisms do not make health care delivery systems efficient. Health care costs are escalating even faster in the US than they are here. The two-tier health system is not only morally repugnant, it is wasteful. Fifty six per cent of all health spending goes on acute general hospital services. While demand for these services is determined largely by the genuine needs of people, it is heavily influenced by the referral policies of the GPs and by the admission policies of the consultant hospital doctors. Therefore, the quality of the professionalism of doctors and the economic relationship they have with their patients is of central importance in managing an efficient and humane hospital service.

The Minister has done nothing to alter the consultants' common contract to make more efficient use of the hospital services. At the same time he has introduced a new contract for GPs which encourages earlier and more referrals to hospital care. As a result of the way in which their common contract is framed, consultants as a group have an interest in making access to their services difficult and sometimes undignified for public patients, thus forcing them into the private sphere. Of course there are individual exceptions, but the brutal fact is that it is not in the consultants' collective economic interest to improve access and care for public patients. This must be changed by changing their contract in the following way. Consultants with public patients should see and treat all patients, public or private, in the same manner, that is in the same room or outpatients' department, under the same conditions and from the same waiting lists. It should be a breach of their contract to do otherwise. The publicly appointed consultants should be allowed to practise publicly or privately only in those hospitals in which they have public appointments. The consultants should be paid a portion of their salary for their public work on a merit or productivity basis through the VHI.

In order to make these changes feasible it will be necessary to appoint more specialists, particularly in the specialties where most delays exist such as orthopaedics, cardiac surgery etc., and their should be a pro rata increase in the number of non-consultant hospital doctors.

When the new contract for GPs was introduced, changing the system of payments in respect of medical card holders from a fee per item to a capitation system of payment, the Minister promised that new protocols would be drawn up covering the investigation of people prior to their admission to hospital. The aim would have been to save people from having to go to hospital for tests that could just as easily be done outside. This has not been done. When the new GP contract was introduced we warned that unless the change in the system of payment was made as part of an improved, comprehensive general practitioner service which would be free at the point of delivery, it would lead to the development of a two-tier GP service with more frequent referrals of medical card holders to hospitals. This is clearly what has happened and I have no doubt that the change in the system of payment contributed to the chaos in hospitals over the Christmas period. The indisputable fact is that there is now an economic incentive for doctors to lavish more attention on private patients and less on medical card holders. With the outbreak of influenza over Christmas many doctors were simply swamped with calls and they found it made economic sense for them to refer medical card holders to hospital sooner than would normally be the case. This not only freed them of the obligation to look after medical card holders who were ill but meant they had more time for their lucrative private patients. To ignore the impact of a change in the system for payment of GPs on the admission levels to hospitals is burying our heads in the sand.

When the new contract was introduced we were also told that a drugs formulary would be established to reduce the overall cost of drugs. This has not yet been done despite the announcement by the Minister here again tonight, an announcement which has been made on numerous occasions in this House in reply to questions which I put down to the Minister for Health during the last three years. We had it announced again here tonight that a list would be circulated to doctors and specialists. We were also told that a new contract would result in a reduction in the level of expenditure on drugs. The argument was that as GPs were likely to see their patients less often than under the free for item system, the level of drugs prescribed would go down. This has not happened. Medical card holders on long term drugs who previously had to go to their GP every month to get their prescriptions renewed are now being supplied with prescriptions for up to three months at a time. Successive surveys have shown that our drug prices are among the highest in Europe, yet no Government appear willing to tackle the profiteering of the drug companies. The cost of drugs is the biggest single element in the GMS bill. This is an area where savings could and should be made without diminishing the standard of patient care.

In relation to the cost of drugs and the drugs formulary, why have this Government and, indeed, other Governments been unwilling to tackle the vested interests of the drug industry? In the short period I spent on the Eastern Health Board there was very strong opposition from the drugs companies to the introduction of a drugs formulary or the use of generic drugs. By tackling that area this Government could be doing a service for the health services and for the people who have to avail of them, not only patients who have to go to doctors but people who simply go to a chemist to buy drugs.

Successive Governments have preached the virtues of community care as an alternative to institutional treatment but they have failed to provide the resources to allow this to become a reality. Running down institutional care without providing the necessary additional resources to develop community care, is, as we have seen, a recipe for chaos, and for suffering and distress for patients. The report Planning for the Future pointed out that the introduction of community care would be more costly, certainly in the short term, because both institutional care and community care in many cases would have to run side by side until adequate community care services were in place. Of course, community care can be more expensive than institutional care because you are relying far more on the services of nurses and other specialists out travelling around the community in order to deal with people in their homes. This was to be of particular value in the reorganisation of the psychiatric services and care of people with mental handicap, yet five years after the publication of the report Planning for the Future the alternative community care services are nowhere near as developed as they should be. This is almost entirely a question of resources, especially capital resources, to open up new community based facilities. The Minister may believe community care can be provided on the cheap. Indeed, some feel it is the main impetus behind the move to deinstitutionalise the health services.

As an example of the kind of short range planning involved in this area of community care, there is a site in Finglas West at the end of Mellowes Road and Mellowes Avenue which the health board have had in their possession for many years and which they declared was required for a day care centre for the elderly and mentally handicapped. It still lies idle but the health board are in the process of handing the site back to the corporation because they do not have the finances to develop it. Presumably the corporation will use it as a park or to provide private housing or whatever. Certainly it will not be used to build a care centre for the elderly or the handicapped in area 6 of the Eastern Health Board.

In advance of the closure of the Victorian psychiatric hospitals alternatives should be put in place but this area is being dealt with on a hand to mouth basis mainly because health boards do not have the resources to do otherwise. The same principles apply in relation to the general hospital services. If we want to ease the strain on hospital services, our community care facilities must be developed. It is no good wishing for them, the resources must be allocated to provide them. We welcome the increase in the carer's allowance announced in the budget, but the money provided for the care of the elderly in the community is far from adequate. What we need is a substantial increase in the numbers of public health nurses, home helps, health visitors, domiciliary physiotherapists and occupational therapists, etc. Indeed, I would remind the Taoiseach and the Minister for Health of the submission made by the Irish Nurses Organisation, which pointed out that there were 120 unfilled vacancies in the community nursing service. To what extent will the allocation, announced in the budget and to which the Minister for Health referred tonight, cover the vacancies that need to be filled in that area?

The dominant feature of our health services over recent decades has been the absence of long-term planning and the extent to which crucial decisions were made on an ad hoc basis. During the seventies, the services were expanded on an ad hoc basis and during the past decade they have been cut back on an ad hoc basis — a particular example of this is the question of staffing. Over the past ten years, Governments have put a great deal of effort and imagination into the destruction of the services, which cannot be reversed overnight. We are now paying the price for this sustained assault on the health services and particularly for the strategy of deliberately driving staff out of the service. It is now practically impossible to get temporary nurses in the way it once was. They have either emigrated or are unwilling to put up with the pressures of work in a service that has been brought to its knees by cutbacks. Last year the largest general hospital in the State, St. James's, advertised for temporary nurses and received only 30 replies. The new hospital in Castlebar is having difficulty filling the posts necessary to bring it up to full operational level. You rarely meet a nurse nowadays who will not tell you that the job he or she once loved has now become a souldestroying drudge. The pool of available nurses has been drained by the cumulative effects of years of cuts. Irish nurses are staffing wards from London to Los Angeles, whereas at home we have a nursing shortage, for which Government policy is directly responsible. This is not an overnight achievement. The demoralisation of nursing and other professionals is the result of years of destructive policies which this Minister and his predecessors implemented. In addition, the health workers are sick and tired of patronising compliments about their dedication to duty. Many of them are past the point where dedication can enable them to provide the level of service they wish to provide.

The legacy of the Minister, Deputy O'Hanlon's term of office of implementing for almost three years Deputy Haughey's policies in the hospital sector, is that overcrowded wards, beds on corridors and long queues have become the norm.

Will the Deputy please refer to "the Taoiseach" and not "Deputy Haughey".

Gabh mo leithscéal. The immediate shortcomings in the hospital services which have been so evident this winter must be addressed by the rapid provision of additional cash resources and staff to end the queues and thus ensure that everybody who needs a hospital bed will get one. However, if we do nothing else we will simply be faced with the same problems next winter or at some point in the future.

We must start the process of a fundamental restructuring of the health service. We must increase the percentage of GNP spent on health, there is no other way. We must end the distortions between public and private health care. We must alter the consultants' common contract and appoint more consultant and non-consultant hospital doctors.

At present, the general practitioner service represents the worst of all possible worlds with a capitation system for medical card holders and a fee per item for private patients. We must set about providing a comprehensive general practitioner service which will be free at the point of delivery for the entire population. We must tackle the vested interests in the drugs industry and establish a national drugs formulary. We must provide additional resources to deal with the problems of the mentally handicapped. Never again should we have to face the problems which Samantha Webb faced last week when she had nowhere to live. I urge the Minister to take on board what the Opposition Deputies are saying tonight and what they will say tomorrow night.

It would be foolhardy and politically dishonest of me to suggest all is well in the health service. The evidence that things are not right is there for all to see — endless hospital waiting lists, closed wards, beds on corridors, depleted staff numbers, overworked nurses and doctors and a general crisis in morale that is most depressing. Key decisions affecting clinical medicine are no longer being taken by clinicians but by an army of bureaucrats who have taken over the running of the health service and they are now taking clinical decisions away from the doctors. We are seeing casualty departments swamped by patients trying to jump the admission queues. This is the reality. The casualty departments are swamped by referrals by the general practitioners as this appears to be the only way the general practitioners can get their patients into hospital. They are also swamped by patients, many of whom complain that they are unable to see their family doctor in the evenings because of the terms of the new GMS contract.

Resign from the party. The situation is terrible.

Let the Deputy hear me out and then he can pass judgment on what I have said.

There is always a turnaround.

Have you disposed of your party.

If the motion is successful the Deputy might get promoted.

If the Deputies bear with me, I might cast some light on the subject.

It is your last chance.

The Workers' Party——

Deputy Mac Giolla, I will give to Deputy O'Connell the same right of audience as I gave to your representative, Proinsias De Rossa. I am surprised that you would interrupt this very important debate.

The Taoiseach is trying to provoke me.

You will have to contain such provocation, otherwise we will have to apply the laws that govern the debate in this House.

The Chair had now better travel to the Government side as there is as much discord coming from that side.

I must say to Deputy McCartan, fan go bhfeice tú. If disorder continues, Deputy O'Connell will get injury time.

It was unfortunate that while measures were being taken to prune the health service, general practitioners were switched from a fee per item to a capitation system. The result was that doctors were not being paid for seeing patients after hours. In fact, the out of hours fees for seeing a patient were not being paid until after 10 p.m. Doctors, like the rest of society, believe their surgeries should end at 5 p.m. or 6 p.m and we would all agree that there is nothing unreasonable about that. Under the terms of the new contract, the general practitioner is expected to call out and visit medical card patients for nothing between 5 p.m. and 10 p.m., because according to the Department of Health, visits do not rate as emergencies unless they occur after 10 p.m. The problem is that patients who are unable to contact their general practitioners between 5 p.m. and 10 p.m. are ending up in casualty departments thus throwing an extra strain on the hospital service and costing a damn sight more than the emergency fee that would be paid to the general practitioner. I say that a review of the contract is needed urgently and I suggest a compromise providing for an emergency fee payment after 7 p.m. and over the weekends. In fact, this could be the immediate answer.

While I am on the subject of the doctors' contract — I have no vested interest in it and I want to make that very clear — I suggest that the Minister might give an incentive to general practitioners to carry out more clinical tests in their own surgeries to obviate referrals to hospital for tests. There must be some alternative to the present iniquitous practice of all general practitioner referrals to hospitals having first to been seen at casualty Departments.

Hear, hear.

It is demeaning to an experienced family doctor and it clogs the casualty service.

The Minister has said that more money is being pumped into the health services this year. If I remember correctly he said that the health budget for 1990 would be increased by 8 per cent over the original provision for 1989. Yes, he is right there but, on my calculations, it represents an increase of 4 per cent on the outturn for 1989. This is where the confusion arises. I ask the Minister to please clarify the matter, to inform the House of the net increase in the health service allocation for 1990, as many figures have been bandied about.

The Government's decision to give an extra £10 million to the health services, announced in the budget, is to be welcomed, especially their decision to give £2 million extra for mental handicap. I hope this money will go towards the provision of 70 extra residential places and 200 extra respite places in the Eastern Health Board area with an equivalent number in the remainder of the country. We were all moved by the march of the parents of mentally handicapped children, understand their plight and share their concern. The biggest worry of parents of mentally handicapped children at present is that there may be nobody to care for them after their parents' death. This is a real fear and it is incumbent on the Minister to reassure parents on this point.

The Government's decision to give an extra £2.5 million for home help nursing care was a good move and will go a long way toward relieving the pressure on hospital beds by the elderly, in effect bringing about a considerable saving in our health services.

By the same token an extra £3 million being allocated to the dental service is a sensible one. In this area more needs to be done. We must recruit more dentists into the public dental service. What we need is legislation to provide for a compulsory intern year for all newly qualified dentists who would spend that year in the public dental service, relieving the waiting lists and repaying the State what has been spent on their education and training. There is also need for the introduction of dental therapists who could be trained in two years. This would be an innovation and has been tried successfully in many other countries. It would ease the pressure on dental surgeons and help reduce waiting lists. At the same time it would go a long way toward reducing dental care costs especially in the public service.

As a matter of urgency we need to recruit more orthodontic surgeons into the public dental service and arrange for training of more of them. As the House will be aware, the cost of dental treatment, particularly of an orthodontic nature, has become prohibitive, with as much as £1,000 being asked for uncomplicated orthodontic procedures. That is a considerable sum of money. What is so very important is that children requiring orthodontic treatment should have it available to them in time to prevent permanent abnormalities and deformities. That is why it is so important that urgent action be taken.

I know the health service is far from ideal, I know a lot more needs to be done, I know the public are dissatisfied and I know their expectations are very high but I honestly believe the Government are making a brave and determined effort to improve the service. I am delighted the Taoiseach is present for this debate. I know he made a dynamic impact on health when he was Minister for Health. I saw evidence of that when I was in Opposition. Indeed, I praised him for the great efforts he made in the health services.

We must face up to the fact that we have finite resources. That is why I question the motion before the House. It seeks to condemn the Minister for Health and calls for his resignation. Assuming the Opposition succeed, assuming the Government are defeated on the motion, what then? Would we get anything different? Assuming Deputy Yates — for whom I have the greatest regard and respect — were Minister for Health tomorrow, would he wave the magic wand to solve all of the present health services problems? Would he eliminate all the waiting lists? Would he open up all the wards and, more importantly, would he put a figure on the funding he would require to carry out this gigantic task? Would Deputy Howlin have an instant solution to the so-called health crisis? Remember his colleague, former Deputy Barry Desmond, was in an unenviable position as Minister for Health for almost five years. He was a beleagured Minister, a national hate figure. Why? — because he tried to come to terms with the economic realities of health.

The question I am posing is: would the position be very different with another Minister for Health, I am afraid not; with the exception of some minor policy changes the position would be very much the same — insufficient funds trying to cope with ever-escalating health costs. We must remember that soaring health costs are not unique to this country; they are a worldwide phenomenon. Britain has introduced major health reforms in their national health service in an attempt to curb costs. Australia has undertaken a major overhaul of their health service because of rising costs. It is important to put this matter into proper perspective. The health service is an ever-developing one with advances and breakthroughs taking place at a phenomenal pace.

Let us take a look at the budget — £1,300 million is being provided — a not insignificant sum although the Opposition will argue that this represents a smaller proportion of GNP than when they were in power. Be that as it may, it is not an insignificant sum. Remember, besides trying to cope with normal health services such as primary care, preventive medicine, geriatric and psychiatric care, paediatrics, mental handicap and so on, it is also trying to stretch resources to meet the cost of medical advances and breakthroughs. High technology medicine is now the order of the day. Precedures unheard of ten to 15 years ago are now commonplace.

Take the example of a patient with arthritis of the hips and knees, a condition which until recently was accepted as the inevitable degenerative consequence of advancing years. It is now seen as a treatable condition but with availability of treatment comes demand. Replacement by steel or acryllic joints renders patients mobile again and pain-free, but what is the cost? We never consider the cost. Let us examine the cost. One may well ask: who wants to talk about cost particularly when a patient is well. Last year almost £10 million was spent on 2,000 artificial hip operations, representing an average of £3,600 per hip joint replacement. That is a lot of money but why should patients not have such replacement operations?

Let us take the example of a patient with increasing chest pain and invalidism, a feature of progressive coronary artery disease. There was a time such patients were told to put a tablet under the tongue, being reassured that they would be all right once they remained at home and never moved out. This disability is no longer acceptable. A patient can be whisked into hospital, the chest opened, the diseased heart vessel by-passed rendering the patient mobile again and pain-free. What is the cost in that case? It amounts to £5,000 for every operation and over 900 such operations were carried out here last year. If the heart becomes more and more diseased then a replacement becomes possible. We now have the heart transplant which is commonplace according to cardiac surgeon, Mr. Maurice Nelligan, but it is a costly burden on the health service — £14,000 — and that does not take into account that very expensive drug — cytospora — which is absolutely necessary to prevent rejection of the transplanted organ.

Kidney transplants are now regarded as commonplace procedures, so commonplace we do not mention them any more. But what may not be known is that the cost of kidney transplant is £10,000 and there were over 100 transplants carried out in this country last year. Besides kidney transplants, a patient while awaiting a kidney transplant must have renal dialysis, must go into hospital overnight and be treated. What is the cost of such treatment? It amounted to £9 million last year to treat 600 patients before having kidney transplants.

Liver transplants can restore dying patients to normal active life. The Tánaiste is a classic example. There have been a number of bone marrow transplants at a cost of £25,000 each but no-one talks about cost. All we talk about is availability. It is a great tribute to our country and to the health service that we were able to carry out 20 of these transplants last year. What about the cost, one may exclaim, a life has been saved. I agree, but because resources are limited some other aspect of the health service may be jeopardised to pay this extra cost.

There are now diagnostic procedures, ultra-sound, CAT scans, nuclear magnetic resonance and cardiac catheterisation, new sophisticated procedures which facilitate more accurate diagnosis but they cost the earth. More sophisticated and expensive procedures are coming onstream almost daily. As I have said over and over again, availability creates demand. The more the high technology procedures become available, the greater the demand for them. When the public see these items on television they wonder why they cannot have access to them. Expectations are very high and why should they not be so but all these things cost money. With the rate of advances and breakthroughs in medicine, I can foresee that health costs could outstrip the gross national product in the not too distant future.

At the same time doctors are facing an increasingly litigious public. We have witnessed a spate of court cases in recent times and read of the colossal compensation that was awarded in each case. What is the implication of that? If a doctor makes the slightest error he will be made pay for it. I am not taking issue with that. What I am saying is that doctors have been forced to protect themselves against litigation. How do they do that? There is no room any more for a speculative diagnosis. A diagnosis must be accurate and the doctor must utilise the most sophisticated tests available to assist the diagnosis, costly tests which further burden the health service and increase costs. Medicine is a costly business and is getting more costly by the day.

At the risk of boring Deputies further I will try to explain one point. As everybody knows, a heart attack is caused by blockage of a blood vessel in the heart muscle, generally by a blood clot. In half the cases, death occurs in the first two hours. Recent research has shown that with a new type of drug called a thrombolitic drug or, to the general public, a clot buster, if given by injection in the first few hours of the heart attack, the clot can be dissolved and the patient can be saved. Let us remember that heart attacks account for one-third of all deaths in the country. Over 10,000 deaths occur from heart attacks every year. This thrombolisis, the dissolving of the clot, must be the most significant and exciting development in the treatment of heart attacks. When treatment is given in time, mortality can be halved.

Millions of pounds have gone into the research and development of this type of drug and it is now available to the GP at a cost of almost £1,000 per injection but it may save a life. The question I am posing is, when confronted with a heart attack case does the GP tell the relatives in advance that the life-saving injection he is about to administer will cost £1,000 or does he take a chance, give the injection and hope to recoup the cost from the patient later or perhaps from the Department of Health or the health board? Can you imagine the doctor's dilemma in that situation? Will the Department of Health or the Eastern Health Board, in the case of Dublin, pick up the tab? I mention this to give some idea of the ever-increasing costs of the medical service and of medical advances.

I may have strayed from the motion but I am trying to point out that the blame does not lie with the Minister for Health. The Minister does not stand indicted before the Dáil and the public. He is faced with agonising choices, with so many demands on the finite resources at his disposal. I would say he is the whipping boy of the public. Deputy Ivan Yates, were he in the same position tomorrow, would be faced with the same agonising choices. Where do we get the money to meet these ever-increasing costs? I foresaw this problem some years ago and called for a national debate on the whole subject of health service costs, priorities and the ethical questions involved. There are serious ethical questions involved here. The problem arises in that the budget for geriatric, psychiatric and mental handicap care, the so-called Cinderellas of the health service, may become more and more curtailed as more high technology medicine devours increasingly more of the finite health budget.

As I have said, the Minister, Deputy Rory O'Hanlon, does not stand indicted before us tonight, nor do the Government but we as a Parliament do. We stand indicted before the public for failing to address this problem, for failing to spell out the escalating costs of high technology medicine, for failing to educate the public on the need to establish priorities within the health service and for failing to ascertain what kind of health service the public require and how it should be financed.

The report of the Commission on Health Funding was published some time ago. It would be more appropriate if we were given Dáil time this evening and tomorrow to debate that report, to see if it provides an answer to our problem, rather than giving time to this motion. I hope the Minister will seek Government time for a Dáil debate on the health funding report. He can only benefit from having such a debate because everyone here has a very constructive role to play and a very valuable contribution to make. I was delighted to hear Deputy Howlin, Deputy De Rossa and Deputy Allen because I learned a lot from them. We can all learn.

Highlighting inadequacies leads to much being done. I would like the Minister to remember that the Department of Health do not have a monopoly of wisdom on this matter. Having said that, I believe we are going to see a major transformation in the health services in the years to come. If we are to control costs and ease the pressure on hospital beds, we will have to put much greater emphasis on preventive medicine and encourage a healthier lifestyle. It will be a slow process and we can expect no dramatic changes overnight but the sooner we start the better.

There is no doubt that were we to completely ban cigarette smoking we would save the country over £30 million a year in hospital bills alone in respect of such conditions as bronchitis, emphysema, lung cancer and coronary artery disease. The evidence establishing a link between these diseases which result in more than 10,000 deaths each year and cigarette smoking is overwhelming. For that reason I was surprised and rather disappointed that the Minister for Finance chose not to put an extra tax or levy on the old reliables, as he calls them. A further tax or levy of 6p on a packet of cigarettes would yield a further £15 million which could be applied to the health services, besides dealing a further blow to active smokers who are polluting our atmosphere, damaging their own health and putting a further strain on the health services and on hospital beds. A new healthier lifestyle is coming very much into vogue. There are more and more low fat, low cholesteral diets in use, there is greater emphasis on exercise, on stress control and more and more sensible people are giving up cigarettes. This sensible lifestyle will lessen the strain on our health services. We should try to accelerate this process.

Preventive medicine will assume greater importance as medical knowledge expands. While I see doctors in the forefront in preventive medicine, other health personnel will be mobilised in the campaign to encourage healthier lifestyles. This would be a very worthwhile innovation in the health services.

I interrupt the Deputy merely to inform him that four minutes now remain of the time allotted to him.

The present structure of the health service is unwieldly and archaic. We must have the political courage to change, to end the bureaucratic control, to streamline the services and if necessary hand over financial control and operation of the hospital services to an independent insurance agency such as the VHI who would trim the fat and streamline the service. That would result in savings and a better health service. There is scope for improvement but the answer does not lie with relentlessly pouring in money. We need vision, imagination and the political will to meet the challenge, and I feel sure the Minister will respond.

I would like all parties in the House to be involved. I would like to see set up an all-party Dáil Committee to examine all aspects of the health services. Such a body could invite submissions from the public and report within a reasonable time and its recommendations could be debated in the Dáil. If we do that we will see the type of health service that the public want and will pay for because in the final analysis it is the taxpayer who will foot the bill.

I commend Deputy O'Connell on his contribution. It was well informed and well researched. The Deputy stated the facts as we all know them to be in the hospitals and for patients in the community. The Deputy has had a welcome conciliatory role in the debate. I hope that at the end of the day after the justifiable anger and criticism from this side of the House, we will be able to come together and play a role in determining how the funding of the health services is to be spent and where the emphasis should be in the future.

I agree with Deputy O'Connell in relation to preventive medicine and the kind of savings that could be made if we could stop people smoking or reduce the trend considerably. People who are trying desperately to give up smoking will say that they wish smoking was made more difficult for them, that it was illegal in public places and so on. I agree with the Deputy's suggestion that the Minister for Finance missed an opportunity in the budget for putting cigarettes outside the reach of some people who would like to stop smoking.

In a debate like this there can be tedious repetition as speakers reiterate similar facts. I have listened from the start of the debate this evening and that is what has happened. The whole issue could take on a sort of fictional dimension and one might be excused for asking are all these cases fabricated and are things really as bad as they are portrayed. We know it is not fiction. The problems and the disarray are real. The discomfort and distress is being felt by people up and down the country. Turning a deaf ear and denying the reality of statistics, as the Minister has done again and again in this House and to the media, conveys the impression that he does not care what happens or that he cannot cope with the complexity and size of the problem which has developed in the last three years. The latter I feel sure is closer to the truth.

It is in the nature of politics to campaign for debating time to highlight Government inaction or omission and that happened last week. It was unfortunate, but it was necessary to get this debating time and we have to recognise that it flushed out a number of initiatives from the Minister as per his speech. The proposals the Minister has made cannot be taken too seriously, but I will not demean them either. We have to hold our counsel and see what difference they will make and see how fast they will be proceeded with.

What is most unacceptable and even distressing are the lengths to which groups in our community have to go to get justice. Why should an unfortunate group like the parents of mentally handicapped people have to organise public meetings to which they must bring their mentally handicapped children. It must be very upsetting and humiliating for them to have to do this, to stand and say "look at our deformity; look at our children; look at our needs; we need help." Neither this nor any other area should be a contest between the weak and the powerful as represented by the Government, the Department and the Minister. This was also the case in the campaign by the haemophiliacs. The Minister for Health ignored all attempts to have a reasonable and rational debate on an issue that had been accepted as just in other countries and he allowed the matter to come to a head with a Dáil defeat and a subsequent general election. That was totally inexcusable when one looks at the justice of the case.

The Minister's performance on that issue tells a great deal about the Minister's style. The Minister seems to believe that his way is the only way, that his decisions are absolute and correct. The Minister will not entertain counterargument to upset his policies even when they involve distress and suffering for the old and sick. The Minister's reputation for dealing with the problems is not good and we must accept that there is more than a hint of the king with no clothes about his administrative approach.

About eight months ago people were hoping for great changes. That was after the radio programme, prior to the election, when the Taoiseach, Deputy Haughey, admitted with incredible candour that he did not know quite how bad the health service was or that it was in such chaos. If the issue were not so serious and the confession not raise such fundamental questions it would have been rather touching to hear a Taoiseach, and such a seasoned politician, being so frank on a radio programme. That alone begs the question: what kind of representations were being made at the Cabinet table for the maintenance of the health services? Did the Taoiseach not hear the firm arguments that the budget for the health services should be maintained against cutbacks or economies in our hospitals? We have to deduce that he obviously did not hear them. Many people expected changes after the election and thought we would see a totally different approach which would be dynamic and effective. However, there was only an inadequate package which was too little and too late to make any real difference to the problem.

There has been a fire brigade action on a service which is barely adequate to cope with health needs and there has been no planning or development on a whole range of issues. They have all been stressed tonight. I refer to issues such as residential care for the elderly which is a crucial problem. There are families all over the country who need to get their elderly relatives into residential care but who are unable to do so because of lack of space, sub-standard accommodation, homes being too costly or because they are not entitled to subsidies to help them with the cost.

We need a network of community care centres to embrace the numerous social and health issues at local level. We are wonderful at paying lip-service to community care, the need for more community services, a larger number of public health nurses and psychiatric services at local level but we are very poor at following up with the strategic planning and the funding which these need.

An urgent plan of action is necessary for the physically handicapped to provide residential care on a regional basis. This is an issue which comes up again and again. Last week the case of Samantha Webb classically illustrated the impotence of services for residential adult mental handicap needs. That case focused attention on the problems better than 20 street protests would have done. That is exactly the kind of problem that the association PAM, the Parents for Mental Handicap, were trying to say. Some parents told us, when we had our meeting at the Mansion House not long ago, that they lived in dread of dying because they knew there would be no one to care for their child. This is exactly what happened to Samantha Webb as her mother died worried and uncertain about future care for her daughter. This is not good enough in any country that claims to have a caring philosophy in relation to the weak and the disadvantaged. It is certainly not good enough in a society which has emphatically ruled against abortion. Should we not match that decision with services that are second to none for those both with mental or physical defects? Is the treatment of our handicapped minority anything but discouraging and distressing? Certainly it reneges on many of the commitments given during the constitutional amendment debate on abortion.

We all know case histories which bear out the facts. Everyone in politics could paper their office walls with representations and submissions. I have received numerous letters and requests from people writing to tell me their problems. However, I will not use my time tonight to deal with them. I will give one example, a letter from an old lady in my constituency which arrived this morning. I want to make sure that the Minister knows her views. It reads:

I am an elderly widow, 78 years, a semi-invalid, who had occasion to be hospitalised from 19-26 January last due to serious lung infection with breathing problems. I had to spend almost five hours in the casualty department of St. Vincent's Hospital before I got a bed in a ward. I think the treatment of the elderly is disgraceful. My GP told me I had no hope of being admitted except through casualty even though I am in the VHI, plan D, the premium for which I can ill-afford to pay. I get no handouts from the Government. I live on a very small income. I just dread to think of the next time I will need treatment. Is this the way our caring Dr. O'Hanlon looks after the elderly?

I had never heard from this women before but I rang her and told her that I would put the matter before the Minister in the debate tonight. She told me that when she went into St. Vincent's Hospital she was bewildered. Old people do not understand why the health service, which is supposed to be so advanced, does not treat them better. This was not the case 20 or 25 years ago. At that time you went to your doctor if you were ill, the doctor telephoned to get a bed in a hospital and you went in for treatment. This woman does not understand why she was so badly treated. She told me that when she went into the hospital that weekend there were three wards vacant which the nurses said they were not allowed to use. This defies all logic.

I know that St. Vincent's is an excellent hospital and only the highest praise must go to those employed there. However, they are working against unfair odds with one hand tied behind their backs. The Minister indicated in his speech that some people were trying to slither into hospital by the back door by going through casualty. He seems to have the idea that patients are trying to put one over on him and the hospitals. I can assure him that this is not the case. All over the country GPs are recommending to people that they should go through casualty. There is something grievously wrong when doctors cannot telephone a hospital and get a bed for a patient to be treated. The Minister cannot say there is something devious about this when it is happening all the time. Genuinely ill people should be graciously and speedily admitted to hospital to get badly needed care. The lady to whom I referred should not have felt beholden to anyone for getting into hospital. Cutbacks, bad budgeting, poor planning or management are perpetuating the situation.

The Asthmatic Society of Ireland also wrote to me. The Minister has been informed of the details and I am sure he knows they are seeking action on a measure which he promised in a speech a year ago. The promise was in relation to a drugs subsidy scheme in January 1989 but it has not been heard of since. When will this scheme be introduced? Will the Minister communicate his decision to us and to the society who say they are tired of telephoning and writing to the Department? The scheme would mean that they would get a subsidy on the huge bills, which can be up to £200 per month, on medication. Will the Minister indicate a date for putting that scheme into effect?

The Minister said there are not any patients waiting to get into hospital——

I did not say that.

That is the impression the Minister gave.

An impression is a different matter.

Does the Minister accept that there are long queues of people waiting to get into hospital?

Of course I accept it.

I do not know the Minister's priorities. Does he feel that people should be close to death before they get into hospital and are not entitled to ordinary operations such as the removal of a gall bladder or treatment for a heart condition as in the case of a 23 year old? These matters came to my attention and I know there are people in that category waiting to get treatment. I do not campaign for complaints, they come to me. Can we not get the truth about fundamental issues like this?

Would the Minister consider it a good idea to appoint a health ombudsman? We should consider either a separate agent or make the present Ombudsman responsible. A case was made for such an appointment last year by Deputy Mary Harney in the course of a Bill introduced into the House. I was not a Member of the Dáil at that time but the suggestion she made in the course of the debate made a lot of sense. There are good reasons for such an appointment particularly in view of the conflict that has emerged in this debate. The Opposition put forward their complaints and the Minister denied them. For that reason there is a need for an independent person, or body, to sit in judgment on such complaints and, if necessary, make recommendations.

In the course of that debate, as reported at column 902 of the Official Report of 23 May 1989 Deputy Harney stated:

The Bill aims to provide for the creation of a health ombudsman to investigate the provision of medical and surgical services in public hospitals. We have deliberately modelled the Bill on the Ombudsman Act, 1980 but there are a number of important differences. First, the sole function of the health ombudsman is to investigate complaints by or on behalf of persons with either full or partial eligibility under the Health Acts or who have policies of insurance with the VHI or who are the holders of health insurance licences in relation to the provisions of administration by a public hospital or health board.

The objective of this Bill, therefore, is to provide some independent arbitrator for patients using hospitals and to provide a check against improper or wasteful decisions of the hospital or health board bureaucrats. I am not saying that such an appointment would be the answer to all our problems but it would fill a need. It is important that we get to the truth between the arguments that are flying hither and tither in this debate. Fine Gael, represented by Deputy Yates, welcomed the initiative by Deputy Harney and described it as an effort to ensure that there would be accountability. An ombudsman, working independently, would be able to identify genuine complaints as distinct from spurious accusations.

The Minister's proposals to deal with the problems in the health services deserve a guarded welcome. We will watch their development with interest. The Minister should identify the needs in the health services. Deputy O'Connell outlined the expensive health care services that are available. Five years ago we would not have thought of heart transplants, open heart surgery or liver transplants. They are expensive procedures but at the end of the day one must ask, "what price a life; what price to feel well"? The developments in medical science have been tremendous in recent years. It is the Minister's responsibility to decide on how we should use the new technology. We cannot say we do not want high tech surgery, that we should continue as before. I do not think we should say that we cannot afford to give a patient a liver or a heart. We must consider all advances, look at intermediate reliefs and adopt creative ways to deal with our health needs which do not rely entirely on high tech institutions and expensive hospitals. Such facilities are not necessary in all cases.

I should like to refer to two hospitals which are providing an important service and in recent years have been fulfilling a vital role. I am referring to Hume Street Hospital, which is dear to my heart, and Baggot Street Hospital. The Hume Street Hospital gives a very cost effective service for patients with Psoriasis. It keeps patients out of hospital by providing a day care service for more than 100 patients needing treatment. Those patients go to the hospital early in the morning and leave at night. The hospital also has 26 five day beds. It provides those services for a little more than £1 million annually. That is an example of what can be done and is an indication of the direction in which we should be moving. We should use existing hospitals as a type of community support. Most of us want people to be able to stay at home but at the same time obtain a premium health service.

A very exciting programme is in place at Baggot Street Hospital. The Eastern Health Board took over that hospital and have given it new life. At present a variety of services are centred in the hospital and are operating out of it in the community. There are 35 beds for geriatrics on a residential basis and from 15 to 25 beds for respite care. Those beds are vital and are in constant use. There is also a mental health clinic, an adult psychiatric clinic, a dental service, physiotherapy, and an AIDS drop-in centre. It is wonderful to know that that old hospital which could easily have gone the way of the other city hospitals which were closed has found new life and is providing such a worthwhile service in the community. The hospital is providing community services for as wide an area from Baggot Street to Dún Laoghaire. It operates with GP cover by seven GPs in its immediate community care area. That means there is not a necessity for a resident doctor. The GPs concerned have access to the beds and to the services. That work is provided for a little more than £1 million annually. We should give deep consideration to such examples. I would love to think that we could utilise other hospitals and provide the same type of constructive services.

The debate has been acrimonious, and rightly so, because there is a great deal of pent-up frustration and anger about the health services. It is our duty to highlight complaints and to urge the Minister to take action to improve our health services. It is my wish that following the debate we will have a service that will satisfy the 78 year old lady I referred to, the parents of handicapped children, the old and those who need community care. I hope we will not be back again flogging the same horse, making the same complaints and getting more frustrated about our health services. We need to look at access to hospital beds, community care development, services for the mentally handicapped and intermediate hospital care like that provided by Baggot Street Hospital. We all want a more effective service and we must play our part in trying to end the suffering and the difficulties that exist.

At the outset I should like to state that it saddens me to think we are debating the issue of no confidence in our health services and in the Minister for Health. It saddened me to witness the depths to which the Opposition, particularly the Fine Gael Party, descended in recent weeks. I am upset that this issue was brought forward following a lot of petty squabbling by people who are supposed to be intelligent and mature. At times I have admired the contributions of Opposition members. I feel quite nauseated that a group who claim to be the principal Opposition party and whose Leader casts himself in the role of Leader of the Opposition should seize upon the health services in what Deputy Dukes referred to as a legitimate parliamentary tactic. Did they really have all-party consent for this tactic? For some time Fine Gael have tried to put themselves forward as the custodians of the ill and the elderly, but some of their behaviour on this issue has bordered on the shameful. Their attitude of childish stubbornness, scaremongering and sensationalism has shown them to be what they really are — people who are trying to make political gain at any cost.

Very many people, especially elderly people, have been terrified at the prospect of becoming ill when they have heard the grossly misleading statements made by Deputy Yates and others. The Minister has already refuted those unfounded allegations but it is known that the scare headline has a tendency to stick in people's minds even when the story in question has been shown to be totally untrue. The scaremongering has continued tonight. Death certificates and letters from elderly people have been produced. These relate to isolated incidents I see every month of the year, not just during a flu epidemic. As a doctor I would have been appalled if some of these allegations had proved to be true and if I had experienced anything of the kind I would hope that my political allegiance would not have silenced my protest.

I suspect that Fine Gael have been less than concerned about the health service than about desperately looking for an opportunity to inflict political embarrassment on the Government who have earned international acclaim for the manner in which they have transformed our economy in a very short time.

It is true that a flu epidemic causes problems and numerous hospital admissions occur. The Opposition helped to create that crisis in relation to beds and hospitals. If it had been left to the general practitioners we could have managed and controlled the influx of people to beds in hospitals. The scaremongering tactics of the Opposition and comments from politicians and from some hospital personnel in the media heightened the public sense of panic on a daily basis, with the result that many went directly to casualty departments where casualty officers, medically and legally constrained, would find it very difficult to refuse admission. Scaremongering actions led people to rush to casualty.

People are sent there by GPs who cannot get them into hospital.

I blame these tactics to a large extent for the panic which was caused. It irritates me to see people like that take advantage in order to make political capital. Their tactics did not take into consideration the demoralising effects on doctors, nurses and hospital personnel, all of whom are being accused of not being able to manage the work they are supposed to do. My profession have been insulted by being accused of turning away people at hospital doors. Doctors have been insulted by claims that people died as a result of decisions not to admit them. It is always a doctor who makes a decision if a patient is not admitted to hospital and that doctor takes responsibility, not the health service.

This motion is one of no confidence in our health service and in our Minister, Deputy O'Hanlon. Perhaps on this occasion I have a slight advantage. I was in the front line during this epidemic. As an individual and as a doctor and one who is quite prepared to give honour where honour is due on any side of the House and one who will not be afraid to castigate where necessary, I have every confidence in our Minister, his officials and the health service. I deplore the methods employed by the Opposition parties acting as they did on the emotional issue of health. This is not because they are concerned with the health of the people — their treatment of Deputy O'Kennedy demonstrates this — but for purely political gain in the forthcoming 1993 election.

Make a note of that.

Were it not for the going out of office of Fine Gael in 1987 we would scarcely have a bandage, let alone be in a position to provide £1.4 billion for the health service. That is a lot of money but not satisfied with the mess they left us in 1987, Fine Gael and other Opposition parties last week did their level best to organise the defeat of the Government on the budget proposals. As Deputy O'Connell has said, what would they have done had we been defeated? Have they made any concrete proposals tonight? All we have heard is criticism. Had they succeeded we would have had an immediate general election and risked financial instability and loss of confidence. One of the possible casualties would have been the very health service about which Deputy Yates and his friends now claim to be so concerned.

We are all aware of the almost unanimous disgust with which the national press viewed the behaviour of Fine Gael in recent weeks. In case anyone should think that this opinion has its sole origin in Metropolitan sophistication, perhaps it would be no harm to record some views from the far north-west. The editorial in the Donegal Democrat of 2 February stated that some of the behaviour bordered on shamefulness, as for instance not to pair in the Dáil for the hospitalised Minister for Agriculture, whose illness can well be described as an outcome of physically overtaxing endeavour in the discharge of his ministerial duties here and in Brussels. The editorial continued that for some time past Fine Gael have been assailing the Government for inaction on the troubled state of the health services. The Labour Party are likewise on the trail to notice on a similar issue, seeking a Dáil vote of no confidence in the Minister for Health. The Government agreed to have the problem of health administration subjected to a special debate towards the end of February. The Fine Gael Leader, Deputy Dukes, seeking to make a mountain out of a molehill, declared that a state of emergency exists in the health services and that there is urgent need for consideration and action. There may be grounds for suggestions of precariousness but how unbecoming it is to the status of the second largest party in the State to have the problem made a matter of sensationalism, as if the whole structure of the health administration is on the verge of collapse.

Three years ago a child of ten would have known that speedy and radical action was urgently needed in order to save the economy and with it all our social services, including health, from collapse.

Despite a false campaign on the health cuts.

At that time I had no intention of ever becoming involved or of becoming a parliamentary candidate in 1987 so I observed these developments purely as a concerned citizen and as a medical practitioner.

The Deputy put up Fianna Fáil posters.

Deputy McDaid is a relatively new Deputy, Deputy Howlin should show him the consideration he deserves. No interruptions from any side please.

Massive cuts in public expenditure were introduced right across the board. These had to include the health services. I noted the manner in which Fine Gael ostensibly gave full support to these cuts. I also noted their devotion to the cause of the canonisation of Deputy Dukes on foot of what I would call the miracle of Tallaght. I, too, at the time was taken in and was tempted to join in the prayers until I heard a comment from a well known Fine Gael supporter who said that if he was within an ass's roar of Fianna Fáil in the opinion polls, the Tallaght strategy would disappear in the morning. The fact was that this allegedly noble gesture was making a virtue of what was then regarded by Fine Gael as a necessity. The electorate were not as innocent as I had been. The votes did not materialise and so the strategy was abandoned.

Fianna Fáil lost seats, we won seats.

I would remind these lapsed patriots that if the so-called Tallaght strategy was right in 1987 it should still be right today because we have still some way to go before we reach the stage where money is no obstacle where health is concerned. For Deputy Yates to suggest, on the one hand, that lack of extra expenditure is not at the root of the problem and then to pinpoint areas which could only be improved by increased funding merely highlights the double standards of the Fine Gael case. Deputy Howlin in his address came up with a number of points, most of them in my opinion, were all statistics. Deputy Howlin tends to have a lot of time for figures and such things this year. I must remind him that it is very easy for minority parties to talk here on these issues. I do not think they have a sense of responsibility. An Oxford dictionary definition of minority on a political matter should probably be irresponsibility. I should loathe the day when anything like that or the type of attitude adopted by minority parties would come across in my health service.

Deputy Yates also made the point about cataracts and talked of people going blind. I have never witnessed anybody going blind as a result of a long-term cataract, it is not physiologically possible. The Deputy also made certain points about drugs, using generic names etc. and talked of the money that could be saved in that way but, as the Minister pointed out, medical science is progressing every day, new drugs and new generic names are coming on the market all the time and any saving that is made is automatically diverted to these areas. Deputy O'Connell mentioned a number of these expensive drugs. We have to use them in certain instances. I have often given a lecture on drugs from this viewpoint. Generic names are fine but they are being used and medical science will continue to produce new drugs, possibly on a weekly basis, so that we will always have to use money in this way.

As one who has worked as a medical practitioner for more than 12 years and in surgical before that I think the House will accept that I have some knowledge of the matters being discussed in this debate. I come from a county that has always had to fight hard for its fair share from the national coffers and the fight was usually a lost cause in those unfortunate times when Fine Gael were in power. I am reminded of a period when, as a house officer in what was then known as the County Hospital in Letterkenny, we were in dire need of massive upgrading of facilities so that we could come even remotely close to what would have been regarded as normal in most parts of the country. The then Fine Gael-Labour Coalition refused point blank to allocate a single penny towards the hospital even though Donegal people had to travel to Dublin and elsewhere for a whole range of treatments. Furthermore, a deputation at that time were told it would be several years before anything could be done. Within nine months of this refusal, Fianna Fáil were returned to power and the new Minister for Health at that time, now the Taoiseach, Deputy Haughey, promptly provided £10 million for the extension and upgrading of what is now Letterkenny General Hospital. He also provided community health services for the county. I am certain that Fine Gael would have regarded this expenditure as a national scandal just as they described similar funding to Knock airport. This was, of course, just part of a massive hospital programme which Fianna Fáil initiated and which is continuing under the present Minister.

I have had experience, too, of members of minority parties standing up at county council meetings and making the accusation that the hospital I have worked in has been downgraded to an extent that is irritating and nauseating. The position is that from 1981 to 1989 the number of inpatients treated in the medical department there increased from 2,400 to 3,500, an increase of 46 per cent. A third surgeon was appointed in January 1989. This increased greatly surgical activity at the hospital resulting in 473 extra general surgical operations being performed in 1989 compared with 1988.

Our paediatric and neo-natal service has been developed following the appointment of a second consultant paediatrician in 1984, and a registrar in 1989 with the result that the number of transfers of neo-natal and paediatric patients from our far north west to other hospitals has dropped by over 70 per cent since the early eighties. The number of patients treated in the casualty Department increased from 8,000 in 1981 to 14,700 in 1989, an increase iof 83 per cent.

Statistics.

The range and depth of pathology services provided in the hospital laboratory has increased during the past decade to the extent that less than 1 per cent of the workload from Donegal is now sent to extern laboratories. Arrangements have been agreed with Altnagelvin for access to a CAT scanning system. A renal unit was opened in 1985 to provide free treatment for a week for a maximum of six patients. Up to that time such patients had to travel all the way, two to three times a week, to Dublin hospitals. A surgical day ward was opened at the hospital in 1987 and there is a major increase in gastrostomies — 113 per cent. In addition, a dermatology service is being provided. Of course we could do with more but that is not to say that the medical service is static.

How can Deputy Yates say that we need more centralisation? Are we to have all roads leading to Dublin hospitals though Dublin hospitals are really national hospitals? They ought to be complimented on the way in which they care for the rest of the country. What is the point in all roads leading to Dublin if, as the Deputy says, the corridors are blocked? We could do with a little more decentralisation. Other procedures such as TURs and a certain amount of ENT could well be done in rural hospitals.

In the recent period during which the Opposition claimed that the hospital service was on the verge of collapse I was not aware of a single case where anyone in need of treatment in Donegal was denied access to hospital. This was due to proper management of the hospitals. Perhaps, therefore, the hospitals quoted by the Deputy ought to look at their management structures before they make such outlandish claims. During a meeting I had last evening with the administrator at Letterkenny hospital he described the type of management that exists there. I will not bore the House with the details but it is a credit to them that we did not have any uproar in our hospital during the Christmas period and I do not think we had any less of an epidemic than was the case elsewhere.

Such access to hospitals would have been virtually impossible had Fine Gael and their erstwhile partners remained in office during all of the years. A similar story could be related by certain people from Counties Mayo, Cavan, Galway and Waterford and from many other parts of the country where facilities, second to none, are now available, thanks entirely to successive Fianna Fáil Ministers for Health. In Dublin the replacement of ancient hospitals by such magnificent additions as Beaumont Hospital and the new Mater Hospital are testimony to what I have said. This programme is continuing apace.

The Government, which my party now lead, are no less committed to the task of constant improvement in this whole area but we should occasionally pause and reflect on just what we have achieved in providing health services for our citizens. None of us can yet be satisfied with how far we have gone, but let us contrast our situation with that of the richest nation in the world, the United States. We have all heard the harrowing stories of people actually becoming bankrupt in that magnificent country as a result of a brief stay in an American hospital. Only two weeks ago, I read of President Bush's budget proposal which plans to pay for the Star Wars defence system by cutting medical care for the elderly and other social programmes. Compare this with our budget which once again showed our concern for our senior citizens.

I would like, at this stage, to take the opportunity to refute some of the accusations that have been made in the House here tonight. In my own health board, we can see the Government's commitment to the development and improvement of the health service. My area also encompasses Sligo and Letterkenny. In the north-west work is well underway on the construction of a new eight storey extension to Sligo General Hospital which will provide excellent new accommodation for wards, operating theatres, X-Ray, out-patient and physiotherapy departments. The equipping of some departments in the extension has already begun. Work on the eight storey block will be completed by January 1991 and it will take a further two-and-a-half years to complete stage 2 of the project which involves renovation of existing accommodation. The total cost of this project in Sligo, in the north-western region, will be £37 million. The new extension will ensure that the north-west has an excellent modern service with the most up-to-date technology including a CAT scanner.

The Minister has also approved two additional orthopaedic consultants for the North-Western Health Board last year. These consultants will have an important impact on waiting lists in orthopaedics in the north-west and one of these consultants will do trauma work at Letterkenny hospital. These two consultants represent a 50 per cent increase in orthopaedic consultant staffing in the north-west. The Government are steadily improving the health service in my region to the highest standard.

Opposition Deputies tell us that they care about the elderly. There was a time when we had a rural dispensing scheme. In February 1987, the Fine Gael Government terminated the rural dispensing scheme. Under that scheme drugs, medicines and appliances were provided through retail pharmacies. In most cases the doctor gave the complete prescription form to the patient who took it to the pharmacy that had an agreement with the health boards, and in rural areas where a doctor had a centre or practice three miles or more from the nearest retail pharmacy participating in the scheme, the doctor dispensed for those patients services from that centre who opted to have their medicines dispensed by him or her. Fine Gael got rid of that scheme, causing elderly patients the problems and expense of getting buses to go to the towns, and then they talk about caring for the elderly. I wonder what their answer to it would be now? The doctor normally would dispense the medicines provided through a stock order given to the local pharmacy participating in the scheme. The abolition of this scheme caused severe hardship and a lot of distress to patients throughout rural Ireland who depended on the scheme to maintain their health. The saving the Opposition hope to make by abolishing that scheme was less than £3 million. This cutback, had it gone ahead, would have caused distress to over 146,000 people. When the present Minister came into office he had the matter reviewed and the scheme was restored with effect from July 1987.

In regard to services for the elderly, the health board recently introduced home care schemes for the terminally ill which provides nursing support for the sick in their homes. With present-day technology we can treat patients at home and make their own bedroom their hospital bed. In Donegal, for example, 300 patients die from cancer every year and 200 of them die in hospital. If I were to ask any of the Deputies in this House where they would like to die, I would say that every single one would say that they would rather die at home among the people who knew and cared for them all their life. No matter how good all hospital services and doctors and nurses, people prefer their own homes. With proper community care, the services can be provided to enable people to stay at home, so that elderly people can die in their own homes instead of, as the Opposition members phrase it, taking up hospital beds.

The Government have increased substantially the level of funding for the mentally handicapped. This is a very emotional issue. I saw the mentally handicapped on television and my heart went out to them. I am glad the Government have acted. I know the Minister will continue to act to help the services for the mentally handicapped. We have much to be proud of in our health services. It is no tribute to the quality of our hospitals, nurses and doctors to engage in the scaremongering of recent weeks. I do not deny there are several areas that I would like to see improved and I will never hesitate to remind the Minister of these in the fully knowledge that they will be dealt with as expeditiously as our resources allow.

It goes without saying that some of these areas have been the victims of the necessary cost-cutting exercise of recent years. I sincerely hope that funds can be reallocated in such a way as to rectify this. I refer to such areas as speech and occupational therapy and stroke cases. The personnel are simply not available at this time to enable patients to receive the treatment which could mean the difference between permanent disablement and recovery. I refer also to the cardiac unit of the Mater Hospital where a small team of surgeons have been performing heroic deeds in recent years. It was distressing to read this team had to make a medical decision to reduce the intake of patients because they regarded it as necessary that patients should have a longer period of recovery. It is not true, as was stated, that these people were sent home; they have always been sent back to the referring hospitals. Nevertheless, the surgical team's judgment was that they should remain now in the Mater and that judgment must be respected. It is unfortunate that the two people concerned in the complaints did not go initially to the Minister rather than to the media. I now appeal with confidence to the Minister to look into this very serious area of medicine without delay.

We are all conscious of the desirability of addressing the problem of what is perceived to be a two-tier health system so that no one is seen to be less deserving than others where health care is concerned. This is something which has not been achieved anywhere in the world that I am aware of. Indeed, in our situation, many would say that we now have a three-tier system with the arrival of the super-private clinics. Everyone should feel that he or she is a private patient as distinct from the super-private which is another matter entirely.

A Cheann Comhairle, I thank you for your patience. I have not said everything I wanted to say but I would like to assure the Minister of my complete confidence in him. I have mentioned some of the matters of concern to me because I know he is anxious to listen to any suggestion which might assist him in his determination to achieve the goal to which he is totally committed and which I am sure he will achieve, namely, a health service that is second to none and one of which we can be proud.

First, I ask for your permision, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle, subject to the agreement of the Whips tomorrow, to share my time with Deputy Higgins and Deputy Taylor-Quinn.

I appreciate the Deputy's intention but I have to remind him of an agreement reached earlier on in respect of dividing time which was that it would be dealt with tomorrow. The Deputy has given me notice of what he wishes to do and that will be noted.

It gives me no joy to have to take part in this debate tonight, especially when it is a vote of no confidence in the Minister for Health who comes from my constituency. However, my silence could have been taken that all is well in the constituency of Cavan-Monaghan and there might be some good reason the Minister for Health is not fully aware of the problems which confront our health service. If I did not contribute to the debate I would be sadly lacking in my duty to the people who elected me to this House in the first instance and secondly to the families and friends of the sick, the aged and the handicapped who had been in touch with me in increasing numbers over the past number of weeks. Before I go into this matter in detail and, in particular, a case which came to my notice over the weekend, I should like to comment on a couple of issues.

I was disappointed at the Minister for Health's opening, unscripted and throwaway remarks when he attacked our spokesperson, Deputy Yates, for bringing this matter to the floor of the House and accused him of climbing on the backs of the handicapped and the sick in an effort to get cheap headlines. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Minister's remarks were uncalled for and have done nothing to add to the debate. I have not come into this House to make alarming statements or in an effort to create any annoyance among the people who are suffering. I will stand over the facts I put before the House and I hope we can all benefit from this discussion.

It is noticeable that the Government have thought it necessary to bring in qualified medical members of their party to contribute to this debate, for example, the Minister for Health, Deputy O'Hanlon, who is a former GP, the right honourable Deputy O'Connell who gave us a lecture——

Does the Deputy think the Minister has no right to speak?

I am sure the non-medical people on the Government benches——

Does the Deputy think I should not have spoken?

I did not interrupt the Minister when he was speaking——

I wish to inform Deputy Boylan that if anybody continues to interrupt him I will take the appropriate action. I thought this was a friendly dialogue between the Cavan-Monaghan representative, but even if it is it cannot continue.

We got a lecture from Deputy O'Connell on high-tech modern medical developments. I believe the advancements which are taking place in, for instance, the Blackrock Clinic will be of little benefit to medical card holders or those in the middle income group who will not be able to avail of them.

Of course they will.

These benefits are available to people in the higher income group and those who have contacts and can get into the hospital overnight.

The third speaker on the Government's side, Deputy McDaid, accused us of belittling his profession. Nothing could be further from the truth. Nobody has a higher regard for the medical profession than I have. The yardstick I use for this is the dedication I have seen by members of that profession in my constituency who are prepared to work over and above their normal hours of duty because our hospitals are understaffed. Within the past ten days nurses have broken down and cried in my presence because they are overworked and over-stressed. These nurses are over-stressed because they have been put in the unenviable position of having been asked to do the dirty work of putting patients out of hospital before they are able to leave.

I want to refer to the case of a 93 year old lady who is in Cavan General Hospital. This woman's friends are reluctant to call in to the hospital to see her because of the pressure being exerted on them to take her out of the hospital before she is able to be taken out. It is not good enough to expect that a 93 year old lady should have to go back to her home which is unheated and to depend on her neighbours. In another case an 85 year old lady who received a hip replacement operation in Navan Hospital was transferred to Cavan General Hospital and even though she is bed-ridden extreme pressure has been put on her friends to take her home. If it takes both nursing and lay staff in the hospital to move this lady from her bed into a chair every day, how can we expect that type of service to be provided in her home? I am sure the Minister will accept that the community care service is practically nil. This is no reflection on the district nurses who are overworked and who have to cope in addition with the old problem, which I will continue to highlight and which is relevant to this debate, of having to travel from house to house on bad roads in the provision of community care services. I know of a number of houses which are inaccessible because of the condition of the roads.

What influenced me finally to make a statement here tonight was the removal within the past ten days of extra beds which were assembled in Cavan General Hospital. I think a total of 35 beds are generally provided in the hospital for middle-aged to elderly people but because of the cramped conditions and pressure the good nursing staff in the hospital for whom I have the highest regard assembled a number of extra beds in a ward which is heated but unused. I have been told that officials from the North Eastern Health Board who visited the hospital demanded that those beds be taken down and the ward locked. Is that the kind of medical care and service we should be providing in this day and age? Extreme pressure has been put on the staff working in that hospital.

At present every one of the 254 beds in St. Phelim's Nursing Home are full. The only way in which one can get an elderly person into that hospital is when some poor unfortunate person in it dies. There are patients in the hospital from the ages of 50 to 104 years. The fact that there are so many elderly patients in the hospital is an indication of the tremendous service being provided by the nursing staff. Deputy McDaid, Deputy O'Connell and the Minister referred to the flu epidemic. I do not believe this flu epedemic has created any crisis. Our older population are living longer. At present there are 254 beds in St. Phelim's Hospital whereas five years ago there were 310 beds. I accept that the reason for the cutback in the number of beds was safety — beds had to be taken away to leave the passages free for fire exits — but no extra provision has been made even though there are 60 fewer beds in the hospital.

Deputy McDaid said we are accusing and attacking the Government without putting forward any constructive proposals. I want to put forward a constructive proposal here tonight. The Minister should set up a 20-bed geriatric assessment unit in Cavan General Hospital. I am not the only one who has put forward this proposal. Some people on the Government benches may say that as a non-medical person I am not qualified to talk on this matter but I have spoken to the staff who care for these old people and they have said that rather than have patients going directly into the nursing home they should be sent first to the general hospital where their condition can be assessed and the necessary treatment prescribed. If necessary they could then be kept on in the geriatric unit in the general hospital until such time as a vacancy occurs in St. Phelim's Hospital.

Unfortunately because of emigration and other reasons many young people who would have looked after their elderly relatives cannot do so and these elderly people have to depend on their friends and neighbours. I instance the case of an elderly man who following a serious accident was admitted to Beaumont Hospital in Dublin where he has received all the medical treatment that can be given to him. He is now in need of full-time nursing care. As he is not from the Eastern Health Board area they are anxious that he be transferred from Beaumont. He cannot be admitted to Cavan General Hospital and no place is available for him in St. Phelim's Hospital. This unfortunate man after a lifetime of service to this country now finds that he has nowhere to go and no one wants him.

Is he not in Beaumont?

These are not alarming statements, they are facts. Let me now turn to the other end of the age structure, small babies and children. We were assured that with the establishment of Cavan General Hospital our problems would be solved and a marvellous service would be provided for the community.

Debate adjourned.
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