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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 27 Feb 1990

Vol. 396 No. 3

Adjournment Debate. - Howth Fishermen.

I thank you, a Cheann Comhairle for the opportunity to raise this matter. It is ironic that I do so because in the last few moments I have been advised that in all probability the fishermen in Howth and, indeed, those around the country, may well be able to put to sea tomorrow. Things are looking better. In the event that they cannot, I hope that things will, at least, be brighter for them.

I raised this matter with the Minister for Social Welfare, who is a constituency colleague, on 20 February last and I got a very detailed response indicating that share fishermen should be entitled to benefit if certain normal contributory conditions were satisfied, and if not, then unemployment assistance should be available to them. I regret I have to pursue the matter further tonight because while those might be the views of the Minister, to date they have not been a reflection of reality on the ground because fishermen are not being assisted by his Department. I think there is a logjam problem there that needs to be resolved.

The matter received very extensive and detailed coverage in the Irish Press on 21 February 1990, where the problem of fishermen was coined very well in the phrase that the fishermen were caught and squeezed between the Department of Social Welfare regulations and the weather, or, proverbially, between the devil and the deep blue sea. As share fishermen they are considered to be self-employed and consequently they are told on presentation to the Department's offices that they are not entitled to assistance. When it comes to the issue of benefit it is a question of assessment and investigation. Invariably, when the officials call the fishermen are standing by their nets on the pier in the hope that the weather will turn and they are left in the situation where on the surface it would appear they are gainfully employed or, at least, in preparation of it, and consequently they are not facilitated.

I highlight Howth because, as the second most profitable port in the country and the eighth largest, it is in my constituency. I hope that what I say tonight will be said on behalf of all fishermen. It is estimated that there are currently approximately 1,500 boats tied up in our harbours affecting the lives and incomes of 3,500 fishermen and their families, often young families. In Howth there is a regular fleet of 35 boats, all of which are tied up at present, and between 130 and 150 regular fishermen are currently without income because of the difficulties they face. Fishermen accept that the winter brings with it inclement weather and good fishing. In the past during the lulls in the bad weather they had opportunities to fish but that has not proved to be the case this year. It is estimated that they have managed to snatch ten days fishing and no more since Christmas. Each morning the boats are assembled and the nets put on board before they put out to sea in the hope that the weather will break but each time they have been beaten back.

Credit must be given to the skippers both in Howth and right around the country who have on a voluntary basis provided their crews with contributions to see them through but that money has now dried up. I ask the Minister to address the problem in a practical way. I understand that he met a delegation of the fishermen and their skippers this afternoon who were very pleased with his response. I have been asked to put on record their appreciation of his willingness to meet them, even though he represents their constituency, for acknowledging the difficulties they face and promising to put matters right. If the matter is addressed in this way I ask the Minister to put on record the resolution so that if the problem occurs again there would be no ambiguity or doubts. I, along with the fishermen, have been standing back in the hope that the weather will break and they will not be put to the pin of their collars, a position in which they now find themselves, and that we will have on record a clear resolution to the problem.

I also ask the Minister to consider the question of a back payment. It is acknowledged that share fishermen have done no serious fishing or been in receipt of income since Christmas and that they have been living on borrowed money and handouts since that time.

The final matter I would like to bring to the attention of the Minister who is a constituency colleague of mine, and consequently a representative of the fishermen, concerns the skippers. If a difficulty arises in the agricultural sector, such as flooding or inclement weather which beats down hay or food stocks, there is immediately a clamour in this House for a special EC aid package. I appeal tonight on behalf of the fishermen of Howth and the rest of the country and, in particular their skippers, for some attempt to be made to find funds to relieve the difficulties now facing fishermen and their skippers. It was pointed out to me today that the quarterly repayments on boats amount to upwards of £10,000 and that £250 per week is needed to cover the cost of insurance and the provision of electronic equipment. On top of this skippers have been giving handouts to their crews and families to tide them over this difficult period. An urgent case can be made for a relief package involving EC funds or funds from the coffers of the Department of the Marine for the fishermen. I ask the Minister to join with me in raising this matter on behalf of the fishermen of Howth and the rest of the country with his colleague, the Minister for the Marine, to see if a special package can be provided.

In conclusion I thank you, a Cheann Comhairle, for allowing me to raise this matter and I thank the Minister for taking it so late in the evening.

I can assure the House that I am very well aware of the problems faced by our fishermen, of the very real personal dangers which they face at sea in stormy weather, of the anxieties which their families must endure at such times and of the fact that prolonged inclement weather of a type which precludes fishing in reasonable safety, can have a detrimental effect on the incomes on which they and their families depend.

The special position of our fishermen is recognised under social welfare legislation. As I explained on 20 February 1990 in a written reply to a parliamentary question, a wholetime share fisherman can qualify for payment of unemployment benefit provided he satisfies the appropriate contribution conditions and can show that he is available for employment by not being engaged during the day or the days for which payment is claimed, in work associated with his fishing, e.g., maintenance of boat and/or fishing gear. Also, part-time fishermen and whole-time share fishermen who do not qualify for unemployment benefit may claim unemployment assistance. Thus, fishermen as a group are catered for under the social welfare Acts.

As the Deputy may know, I had already arranged to meet a delegation of the Howth Fishermens' Association this afternoon to discuss the situation they are experiencing. I was impressed by the manner in which they described their special problems and difficulties. From my own point of view the meeting was very useful in that they provided me with a first-hand account of these difficulties. At the end of the meeting, they told me that what I had to say was of great benefit to them and would resolve their present difficulties.

During the meeting I learned that in general boatowners had been in a position up to last week to give assistance to their deckhands but that, from this week, this no longer applies. I have made arrangements for the association to supply my Department tomorrow with full particulars of deckhands with exceptional needs so that special arrangements can be made to provide immediate relief.

I would like at this point to advert to the PRSI contribution liability for share fishermen. In 1986 a High Court judgement ruled, in the case of a particular fishing vessel, that share fishermen did not come within the PAYE system. As a result, there has been some confusion about the PRSI aspect. The legal position is, however, that share fishermen are insurable as employees under the social welfare Acts.

In November last, I made regulations which introduced special procedures for the collection and recording of PRSI contributions in respect of share fishermen. At the same time my Department circularised some 2,000 boatowners-skippers concerning the arrangements and asked them to complete a questionnaire regarding their share fishing operations. I regret to say, however, that the response so far has been very disappointing. Only some 50 boatowners have to date responded to the effect that they engage share fishermen. An advertising compaign is underway to encourage more boatowners to respond. An advertisement has been placed in the current issue of the Irish Skipper. I would urge all boatowners to respond without delay so that PRSI contributions can be collected from a current date. It is only if the boatowners, as employers, make the appropriate PRSI payments that the ongoing entitlement of their employees to social welfare benefits, which depend on PRSI contributions, can be protected.

I trust that those of our fishermen who are in need will avail of their entitlements under the social welfare system and that what I have said will have removed any confusion that may have existed about the liability of boatowners, as employers under the social welfare Acts, to collect and return PRSI in respect of their share fishermen. If the employers concerned now commence making these returns, share fishermen, will be able to avail of their entitlements to unemployment benefit in the future and problems of this kind will not arise again.

I have noted what the Deputy has said in connection with the other difficulties facing fishermen at present, such as the repayments on heavy loans. I gave an undertaking to the delegation I met today to refer that matter to the Minister for the Marine.

May I make one brief point?

Normally, the Minister's reply would conclude the debate as the Deputy appreciates.

I ask the Minister to pay particular attention to my request to him to consider the question of back pay. As the Minister mentioned, the skippers have been providing assistance in recent weeks. However, the crewmen will be expected to repay this money in due course. The Minister may not have been clear on that point.

In relation to the question of back pay, an assessment of means would have to be carried out. The fishermen I met today want something to be done immediately. We have arranged to take some action tomorrow. I told them that the question of back pay can be examined but an assessment of means would have to be carreid out.

The Dáil adjourned at 11 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Wednesday, 28 February 1990.

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