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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 25 Apr 1990

Vol. 397 No. 9

Finance Bill, 1990: Second Stage (Resumed).

Question again proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

I should preface my remarks by saying that times have certainly changed. Deputy Noonan, the main Opposition spokesman, acknowledged that inflation is spiralling down-wards. Deputy Taylor wondered how the fruits of this marvellous growth would be distributed in society while Deputy Rabbitte welcomed what he described as the building boom. This is in stark contrast to the position which obtained a few short years ago.

We are all aware that the last Fine Gael-Labour Government doubled the national debt, that there was a feeling of hopelessness and helplessness not just in the economy generally but among the young and their parents who watched emigration and unemployment figures go through the roof. Yes, times have changed but this is not to say that everything in the garden is rosy or, that we are now in an idyllic position but it would be fair to say that we have advanced considerably from the misery that was being experienced up to the time Fianna Fáil came to power as a minority government in February 1987.

Many critics of the Government argue for quicker movement in the area of taxation. This is but a pipedream. The progress which has been made to date is significant, not least in this Finance Bill. The reduction in the standard rate of income tax to 30 per cent and the reduction in the top rate to 53 per cent are further advances that have been sought for several years in the reform of the taxation system. This Government and the previous one are the only Governments to have made signficant progress in this regard in recent years. The reduction in the standard rate of corporation tax to 40 per cent will be of benefit in terms of job creation in the services sector.

The extension of the period to the year 2010 during which the 10 per cent rate for manufacturing will apply is to be welcomed as also is the extension to 1993 of the period during which the urban renewal package will apply. We welcome, too, the reduction in the standard rate of VAT, the changes in stamp duties to further encourage the development of the financial services sector, the abolition of the 60 per cent rate of capital gains tax and the indexation of capital acquisitions tax.

Deputy Noonan said something startling this evening. He indicated his disappointment that the number of package holidays being taken were down saying that it reflected a slowing of growth in the economy. As late as yesterday evening I was reading a magazine printed by Irish Rail which boasted that over the last number of years there was tremendous growth in the domestic holiday market so far as Irish holidaymakers were concerned. The number of package holidays taken abroad may be down but the number of people taking holidays in Ireland has increased significantly.

The amount of employment created by the private sector over the last number of years could have been greater. It would, however, be unfair to ignore the fact that there has been an improvement in the employment situation and that a constant effort is being made by the Government to create employment wherever possible. The provisions in this Finance Bill will assist this further and I am delighted about that.

Deputy Noonan referred to the Governor of the Central Bank who said that the budget was too soft. The Governor of the Central Bank is, of course, entitled to his opinion. Deputy Taylor would say that the budget was too hard. Somewhere in between there has to be an answer. One cannot say that the budget was too soft and then oppose measures which are aimed at correcting the public finances at every opportunity. One cannot have it both ways. Similarly Deputy Taylor cannot call for vast increases in social welfare and at the same time oppose every reasonable effort to lay a foundation stone of some relevance for the economy. He cannot have it both ways. One cannot criticise the Government for doing something while being unwilling to support the Government when they try to do what is necessary to achieve what one wanted.

It has been a disappointment that with the strengthening of the Irish pound the value of goods in the shops has not come down appreciably. It is wonderful that we are starting to talk about falling prices. Multinational companies and multi-chain supermarkets have, however, more than a commercial obligation, they have a social obligation as well. It is incumbent on them to deal honestly with customers and to charge the prices which should be charged, taking into account the strength of the Irish pound today against other currencies. Not to do so would be amoral and this needs to be brought home to them as a matter of urgency. In an ideal world these retailers would reduce the prices themselves but if they are unwilling to do so the legislation will have to be passed to force them to do what is right.

The low inflation which has been created by the Government is to be greatly welcomed but this could not have happened without the co-operation of the social partners. Co-operation between the social partners and the Government is the ideal way forward, and I hope the Minister and his colleagues will be successful in negotiating a further period of growth with the social partners.

Deputy Noonan painted a picture of gloom and doom in many areas of the economy. This is not reflected on the ground. There is, of course, continuing concern about the level of unemployment and emigration but any fair observer would say that the level of progress by the last two Governments compares favourably with the performance of the earlier Government. That Government had no overall plan. They did not seem to have any ideas or, if they did, they did not appear to be able to implement them. That is probably the reason for the despair the country fell into during their reign.

Opposition Deputies of the left, what I would call the extreme left, often try to polarise Fianna Fáil as a right wing party. We heard it again this evening when Deputy Taylor spoke about the poor and said they were not being treated fairly in the budget or by this Bill which implements the budget. Neither Deputy Taylor nor any other Deputy has a monopoly on concern for the poor. I have no doubt but that Deputy Carey sitting opposite is every bit as concerned about the poor as Deputy Taylor or I. However, one can talk about economic efficiency being balanced by social equity only when one has an economy which has grown sufficiently to enable social equity. Economic efficiency and social equity go together like a horse and carriage. Nothing causes polarisation of society or increasing inequality more than a country which is failing to have growth in its economy and wealth.

This Government have laid the foundation stone in this and previous Bills to enable the poor to share as much as is humanly possible in the growth that has taken place in recent years. It would be remiss of me not to remind Deputy Taylor that much of the major social legislation dealing with the poor since the foundation of this State was introduced by Fianna Fáil. Nobody has a monopoly on concern for the underprivileged.

Having said that, it is wonderful to hear Deputy Taylor admit that the goalposts have changed and that now it is a question of how the cake is to be divided; there was no cake to divide when Labour were in Government between 1982 and 1987. It is wonderful to hear Opposition Deputies speak of growth in this manner and it is of course a wonderful tribute to the Minister for Finance.

I am concerned about descriptions which were used this evening such as business gurus. If there were not business gurus — I assume the word was used disparagingly and I object to it — there would be no business and if there was no business there would be no employment. It would be as well for some people to remember that the business of Government is Government and the business of busness is business. Reference has been made to the fact that there is an antipublic-sector bias and that the public sector companies must be allowed to make independent decisions. I sincerely hope the decisions referred to are not of the ilk which An Post, in their wisdom, reached recently, to close down 300 sub-post offices around the country.

At various stages in the short history of the State rationalisation of State and semi-State services hit rural areas hardest. Small national schools which were at the nerve centre of rural communities were closed down not in the interests of education but in the name of rationalisation. Another semi-State company affected is the one dealing with railways. Railway lines leading through and passing the most breath-taking scenery in the world have been taken up. This was not done in the interests of rural communities which were decimated by emigration but in the holy name of rationalisation. The decision of An Post to close up to 300 sub-post offices around the country was the major element of plans to end financial losses in An Post. They are dangling the carrot in front of proprietors of suboffices in rural areas. This heralds the end of one of the last bastions of rural Ireland. It is wrong and is fundamentally unfair. The rural sub-office is not just a means of communication with the outside world or a convenient place to draw one's old age pension or welfare entitlement; it is a meeting place and a way of life. An Post should pick on someone their own size.

There are other inequities in Irish life which it would be difficult for a city bureaucrat to understand. This is what I will describe as the distance factor. This means that the further you are from the centre the more you pay, even for a simple telephone call. The system of charges applied by Telecom Éireann is a disincentive and a positive disencouragement to industry and business in rural Ireland. There is an urgent need for a more equitable system of charges. I acknowledge that semi-State companies have a commercial obligation but they also have a social obligation and they must not be allowed to make their pound of flesh on the backs of the vulnerable. That has happened far too often in the past and the consequence was a creeping erosion which ultimately robbed Ireland's peripheral regions of its youth. We cannot seriously call upon the EC to give us special status on the grounds of our peripherality if we allow Goliaths like An Post to wield their big stick at our own peripheral regions.

The speech of Deputy Rabbitte was a revelation. He acknowledged the boom in the construction industry and unquestionably there has been a substantial improvement in the construction sector as a result of Government policies. Without doubt the construction industry is going through one of its better periods, having been years in the doldrums in the early eighties. Indeed there was a belief that it could not come back but back it has come. I understand it was a former Taoiseach, Seán Lemass, who said he could tell the state of the economy by the number of bags of cement sold in a given year. Unquestionably there has been a substantial improvement in this area and that improvement has been transferred in particular to the tourist industry. It has to be remembered that throughout the early eighties, during the period of the Fine Gael Coalition Government, not only was tourism stagnating but it was showing a slight decline in this country at a time when it was increasing all over the world. Projections at that time foretold a 95 per cent increase in tourism but Ireland's share of the market stagnated or declined and that was a great pity. It is marvellous that this Government and the previous Government changed the policy and went into the marketplace to sell rather than hide behind telephones in semi-State offices.

I have watched the growth in my own constituency which is considerd to be the primary tourist resort in this country. New hotels have been erected in Killarney; millions of pounds are being invested in a hotel in Kenmare; in their first venture into northern Europe, Club-Med and Ryanair are investing £5 million in Waterville; domestic holidays, as I have already said, have increased; new golf courses are proposed at Killarney, Killorglin and Castlegregory; and the Cork-Swansea ferry has returned. There has been a substantial advance in this industry. The best year ever in Irish tourism was 1989. Never before was such a large number of tourists seen in the country. It is an outstanding tribute to the Government and to all those involved in the industry that this should have happened when it was believed that it could not be done. Many of the things which people believed could not be done have been achieved by this Government.

Perhaps one of the most innovative and imaginative approaches of this Government and the previous Government was their investment in regional airports. Few would have believed a short few years ago that many of these airports would become the success that they ultimately became. Even what was described by an Opposition Deputy, who was then a Minister, as a foggy bog has become one of the leading airports in the country. The Government gave a grant of £1.25 million towards Farranfore Airport, which lay dormant for years, and that amount was quickly matched by the business community in County Kerry. Between June and December 1989, 49,000 passengers passed through the terminals at Farranfore and projections for 1990 are that 100,000 passengers will pass through the terminals there. Is this not what one could only describe as a metamorphosis of gigantic proportions? It is symbolic of the success of this Government in so many areas of our national life. I would like to call on the Government to provide the airport company with the necessary structural funds to enable them to make Farranfore an international airport. An airport which only housed hang gliders could become a national airport in less than three years and that is a remarkable performance. When planes are flying in and out of Farranfore to every European City, even Deputy Carey would be welcome to utilise the facility.

The integrated rural development programme was the most innovative ever to emanate from the Department of Agriculture and Food. It, like everything else, requires funding and I sincerely hope that at the next available opportunity a Finance Bill will provide for such funding. There is a possibility of the rejuvenation of rural communities, especially those on the periphery, but funding is required to enable it to be successful.

Possibly the best type of industry for rural Ireland is in the financial services area. I compliment the Minister for Finance on making Killorglin, a small town in my constituency, arguably the headquarters of the Irish technological industry. The decentralisation of the prize bonds to the Foreign Exchange Company of Ireland based in Killorglin, County Kerry, led to the creation of many jobs in three separate small towns in the region.

Financial service industries are not dependent on transport because communications are now far easier due to the introduction of fibre optic cable in places like County Kerry. Half the installation there has already been completed. I would encourage the development of that kind of industry in the west. It is the answer to many of the unemployment problems and I would strongly urge the Minister to continue the wonderful work he has done in this area by providing the necessary infrastructure and encouraging the IDA to site these types of industry in areas which are far from the centre.

I now refer to the submission by the ICMSA regarding the tax allowance for farm families. The ICMSA argue that the Government decision to propose a current year basis of assessment for farmers and other self-employed people removes the justification put forward in 1980 when the PAYE allowance was introduced. The then Minister stated that the purpose of the PAYE allowance was to take account of the fact that the self-employed generally have the advantage of paying tax on the basis of the previous year. They point out that the Commission on Taxation recommended that when all taxpayers were brought on to a current year basis of assessment taxpayers should receive the same overall personal allowances regardless of the schedule under which they are assessed. On behalf of farm families I would urge the Minister to ensure that an appropriate amendment is adopted in this Bill to cater for farm families. It would be an advantage to them and it would appear to be equitable and fair that they should be treated in this manner.

Emigration is still a very serious problem. While the figures have fallen since the period in office of the Fine Gael-Labour Coalition Government, there is a lot to be done. I have received complaints from young Irish people seeking American visas during the past year or more. These complaints, if true, need to be addressed. Some young people say that they are not being treated courteously when they apply for visas, or rather when the interviewing process takes place. They say that the interviewing at times appears to take the form of interrogation. People who wish to emigrate voluntarily or involuntarily or who wish to take holidays in the United States are entitled to be treated with dignity at all times. Human dignity must always be respected. If the complaints are true I sincerely hope the necessary action will be taken by the appropriate authorities to ensure that young Irish people are treated with the dignity they unquestionably deserve.

There is a need for greater incentives for those working in the public sector. For several years there has been a brain drain from the public sector and very often people with the very best talent move to the private sector, with consequent loss to the State. Some system will have to be introduced which will ensure that initiative, imagination and ability are recognised. That is in the interests of the State and of people.

Finally, I refer to the taxation of wards of court. I understand there are about 110 such people in the country, many of whom are greatly disabled. Is it fair that people in this position should have their profits taxed in the same manner as able bodied people? I believe it is not and that their plight should be looked at sympathetically by the Government.

We cannot say that everything in the garden is absolutely rosy but certainly things are beginning to bloom.

I have listened to wide ranging addresses from various people and ideologically there is not much difference between Deputies on any side, even the people on my right who were concerning Deputy O'Donoghue, the alleged left. There is not much between any of us about the conduct of affairs. It is really a matter of a certain amount of begrudgery about who should have this or who should have that. I regret it is not acknowledged that there is a certain amount of agreement on which we should be building.

Deputies opposite are trumpeting the successes they have achieved during their period in office. The big problem is that we have 250,000 people unemployed. The motivation behind any Finance Bill is to achieve huge reductions in the numbers of unemployed. Jobs are the most important aspect of young life and of family life. The Bill contains some provisions with which I agree but there is not enough emphasis on the creation of employment. There may not be a simple solution but the Minister should make a greater commentary on the problem. I was admonished during the budget debate for saying that there is too much of a drag towards Dublin. Every economic activity has to be brought to Dublin. Take, for example, a major part of this Bill, the financial services. Deputy Noonan rightly referred to the Governor of the Central Bank who when he was secretary of the Department of Finance resisted totally the idea of legislation for offshore banking and financial services, yet when he moved to the Central Bank he was amenable and at the Taoiseach's request he encouraged the establishment of financial services in the centre of Dublin near the Custom House Docks site. As far as I am concerned Irish people want to see a level playing pitch whether in County Clare or in Dublin. In this Finance Bill I do not see any levelling of the pitch.

In relation to the financial services there is greater emphasis on the success of the Dublin Docks site. I was reading documents which the Minister liked to give us when he was on this side of the House. Frequently he would throw them over to the former Minister for Finance, Deputy Dukes. He used to say: "I see in the CII newsletter so and so of such a date". The Minister enjoyed doing that. I have read some of the contributions in recent weeks to the CII newsletter and they are talking about the great success of the Custom House Docks site. They have forgotten that we have a little place in Shannon from where the original idea came. Offshore banking originated in Shannon. We had been knocking on the door of the Department of Finance for many years. Were it not for Deputy Noonan, Limerick East, I am sure financial services would never have taken off. I do not know whether this is adverted to in former Minister Hussey's book but Deputy Noonan, contrary to the wishes of the majority of the previous Coalition Government, brought in the legislation for financial services and made it available in Shannon. At that stage we were behind in trying to set up financial services because all over the UK they had been trying to set them up. The Taoiseach, in his wisdom, felt that since Dublin is a capital city, this had a greater chance of success in Dublin. Therefore we will move financial services from Shannon to Dublin where it will be of no consequence. We can still keep Shannon going and we will have Dublin going and everything will be all right.

(Carlow-Kilkenny): And Knock.

It is not true because Mr. Hely-Hutchinson, Chief Executive, Bank of Ireland, went down there to a major conference where he made a long speech about financial services. He was all in favour of the Custom House Docks site and he gave warnings that the financial services area should be controlled, that people should get greater encouragement and that there should not be total dependence on tax incentives. I suppose there should not. Mr. Hely-Hutchinson does not seem to know we have financial services in Shannon Airport. I ask the Minister, if a slice of Longford was taken to Dublin would he resist it? I am sure he would. He certainly would not accept it. That has not happened. As far as this Finance Bill is concerned it is the same thing again, we have the financial services where great emphasis is put on the success of Dublin but the poor boys in the country can take the crumbs from the table and that is it.

The Clare Champion.

It will make more than that by the time I will have finished with it. Not only that but all speakers on that side of the House are talking about the huge increase in tourism and how great it has been for the country. The Minister for Tourism and Transport when he contributed to the budget debate on 1 February 1990, at column 556 of the Official Report said:

I am pleased to report that the two sectors — transport and tourism — for which I have responsibility have continued to play their part in the growth of the economy.

Everything has been a great success since he came to office. He was able to report that to the House while we still had the sole transatlantic rights for Shannon Airport. In recent days he has decided that he will open up the economy in the interests of tourism and he will deny an area in the south-west which had delivered the goods to the west for the last 47 years by taking away our only protection. The Minister, with sleight-of-hand, conceded to the Dublin lobby and gave away charter flights to Cork, Dublin and Knock.

He knew very well that it would not be too long before the Dublin lobby would have some say. They will not stand idly by and see Knock having their rights, Cork having rights and Shannot having other rights while they do not have any rights. Now the Dublin lobby are busy; the Dublin lobby do not want to get full charters but rather week-end charters. The Minister for Finance will probably facilitate them in this Bill in some way or other where there will be a business expansion scheme that will be helpful to these people in the hotels, and naturally there will not be any losses in the west. As the Taoiseach assured us in Ennis a few days ago we have no problems in Shannon. He said: "Do not worry, you are all right".

I am very disappointed.

An Leas Cheann Comhairle

I know the Deputy well enough to realise that he has the capacity to relate his remarks to the Finance Bill.

(Limerick East): Jacuzzi is under the BES scheme.

I do not want to go into the seedy details. There are enough seedy details concerning the Irish public at present about what is going on.

If it is relevant to the Bill we will accept it.

I am not saying that is an encouragement for charter week-ends in Dublin.

The Deputy is obviously in favour of that.

The pitch is not level. If it does not relate to Dublin it does not relate at all. As far as I am concerned this Finance Bill will contribute further to the long-term economic desert in the west. That is what is facing us. The Minister came in here today and said nothing about Structural Funds or whether he had revised the figures he had produced and which were to be the basis of our future for 1992 and 1993. I heard on the radio today that there would be a link from Dundalk to Wexford and there will be two ring roads where one can go to the left or to the right around Dublin. I know that will happen. Dublin needs that and that is where the growth will be. The Minister told us today that there has been great growth; of course there has been great growth in Dublin. Go to other parts of the country and see if there is great growth.

In the building industry where is this great growth outside of Dublin? Is it in Limerick? Certainly the builders I met at a function the other night did not say the growth was in Limerick. I know there is some activity in Limerick city where the legislation is being applied for designated areas. In fact, the Minister has extended the lifetime of the designated areas but he should also have said that he would do something about controlling the designated areas. I would like to see the Department of Finance taking an active part in seeing what goes on in the designated areas. In my constituency in Ennis we have made an application for a designated area but, of course, it has been continually refused. However, in some midland towns one individual gets his whole property included as a designated area for urban renewal. I do not know who that individual is but he is very lucky. I do not know whether it is in Portlaoise or Tullamore.

It is not Longford, anyway.

(Limerick East): And his property is outside the town.

That is unfortunate now. In the spirit of the thing the Minister wanted to create employment but this is an out and out abuse. In the city of Limerick there is no revision of the areas that are supposed to be in the designated area. I do not know what hand the Minister for Industry and Commerce has in this, but the Department of Finance and the Department of the Environment should put their heads together to see that there is proper developments. Nobody objects to this scheme. After all, it was introduced by Fine Gael Ministers, but it is not right to see one individual having so much influence on whichever Department it is, whether Finance or the Environment, that he is able to get his own property in to the exclusion of others. Developments are taking place, where one side of the town is taking it at the expense of the other. I do not accept that is the right way to go about it either.

When the Minister is accepting ideas from his advisers I think he overlooks the fact that they are all Dublin-based themselves. While he is encouraging people to decentralise and so on, I do not think sufficient has been done in this regard. The Minister is a countryman like myself and he has to go back to a rural constituency to be re-elected.

I would like to see him putting into his Bill a provision to look after the farmers as Deputy Noonan requested earlier today. The ICMSA have made representations about how they want to be treated. I have sympathy with their case and the Minister should consider some amendment on Committee Stage of the Bill. I do not know whether the Minister is aware that Departments to whom he is giving money to give to farmers are holding on to it. That is the only logical explanation I can give for the delay in headage payments for instance, or is it that the Department of Finance have learned from Dunnes Stores or such people that delayed payment is a good system to have because you make a certain saving in one year at the expense of someone else? In this instance you are making six months' saving at the expense of small farmers in the West.

(Limerick East): Six months' credit.

It is six months' credit. People come to me screaming they are destitute and poor and have nothing, and the Minister for Finance is being blamed by the Department of Agriculture and Food for the delayed payments policy. The number of people processing the files is so small that they are not going to release the money. It is a matter of "take your place in the queue". I spoke with a fellow yesterday who is owed £13,000 and the documents have all been passed since sometime early in January and the good people in Cavan told him yesterday he would be lucky if he was paid in June or July.

That is not correct.

That is what the man was told.

I have no overnight money from them.

We are not looking for overnight money but a reasonable system. A month's credit is good but the two months or six months the Minister is operating on is hardly cricket. Small farmers in Longford are in the same situation.

(Interruptions.)

If they are not I want to know why there is discrimination against County Clare. I was very interested to hear Deputy O'Donoghue talking about the 300 rural post offices being the backbone to the economy. A few minutes before that he was talking about the great action and the hard decisions this Government took and how they would stand behind hard and really tough decisions. The rural post offices brought to my mind another case where the bias is definitely towards Dublin. As long as the cuts are not in Dublin it is all right. The taxpayers come from all over. They are in a central pool. In each of the rural constituencies outside Dublin we have such things as local charges. We pay water charges in my constituency. Deputy Noonan pays them in Limerick. They are paid in Sligo and by the Minister in his constituency, yet in Dublin no water charges are paid. Who is paying for these water charges? Down along the line the taxpayer is paying because either Dublin Corporation are not utilising their funds properly and do not need some of the subventions they get or Dublin Corporation have let people go and we are paying for it directly out of the social welfare fund. It is either one way or the other, but it is because of the lack of moral courage on the part either of the Minister or his Government who promised at the last election to abolish charges. Everybody said that when Fianna Fáil got back to power charges would be gone, but, totally inconsistent, the Minister goes in — he is consistent in one thing; as long as Dublin is not touched he will agree — and the rural fellows can pay water charges but the Dublin fellows need not do it at all.

The Minister has not explained how exactly he arrived at the balance he reached in distributing the Structural Funds. Why has the east to get the greater amount? Why have we in the west to suffer totally? I imagine if the Minister wants to level the pitch he will have to have a review of how the funds are allocated. In the mid-west region with the new policy now being conducted by the Minister for Transport and Tourism we want a review of the Structural Funds. We want new, bigger, better funds to compensate us for the loss in principle of Shannon as the sole trans-Atlantic airport. If that is not done the Minister will add to our problems. While some people have great faith in the resilience of the people in Shannon to survive, this Minister owes it to us to make some effort to correct the imbalance.

One aspect of this debate about economic balance is that people seem to ignore the various regions in this country, that all regions cannot have the same prospects and cannot depend totally on the same economic mix. While we in the west and in the mid-west in particular enjoyed a certain advantage-we got the American tourists first — I do not think Dublin lobbyists are entitled to describe that as a restrictive practice. I hope the Minister will keep that in mind when having this review of the Structural Funds.

I should now like to say something nice about the Minister. His decision to extend the tax filing date from 31 December to 31 January of the following year is to be welcomed. The old deadline came at an inappropriate time of the year because it coincided with the busy time for traders who found difficulty in taking advantage of the Christmas rush business and having to comply with the provision that they should have their returns filled in. I compliment the Minister on this move. The new date is more realistic. The month of January tends to be quiet in terms of trading and the Minister's decision removes an element of hardship which I have no doubt was not intended when the original provision was passed.

I am concerned about the decision to redefine the definition of manufacturing for the purposes of the corporation tax rate of 10 per cent. The proposals will, undoubtedly, result in great hardship for a number of businesses which have benefited under the existing scheme. It will have an inflationary effect because some businesses will pass on the extra cost. In fact, some businesses may go to the wall. The Minister did not respond to the suggestion that he should take into account the types of businesses involved. Did he review the position of the service industries as distinct from the manufacturing industries? Will he consider an averaging of the figures involved? Will he consider revising the 10 per cent rate leading to a greater averaging of the tax rates? I do not know if that will be possible or the amount of money that would be involved.

I should like to make an appeal on behalf of sub-contractors. There is an anomaly in tax legislation with regard to provisions which relate to appeals by people who are denied a sub-contractor's number. The final arbiter is a tax inspector and provision is not made for appeal to an appeals commissioner. That is very unfortunate as many people who make application for a sub-contractor's number do so because they are compelled by market forces. Many employers are not prepared to take on certain trades because of the nature of work. For instance, these people often work on their own away from supervision, particularly the supervision of the employer. They are forced to accept full responsibility for their own work and there is always a stipulation that the labour will be supplied by the sub-contractor rather than the employer. These traders when they apply for sub-contractors' numbers find that the inspectors take a very strict interpretation of the provision. I do not know if the Department have received complaints about this but I am aware of difficulties in regard to this in my constituency.

There is a very uneven application of the interpretation of the statute as between different tax districts. I am not asking for a diminution of the rules of issuing sub-contractor certificates but an appeals commissioner would be a more objective person in assessing applications than a tax inspector. These sub-contractors face an element of hardship which is seldom highlighted because they tend to be persons who are not members of an organised body. I understand that representations have been made by the accountancy body and that they agree with the plea I have made to the Minister. The Minister should review this matter.

Like Deputy Noonan I would like to see a consolidation of legislation. I should like to refer to section 8 which deals with lump sum payments. In my experience lump sum payments have caused great difficulties with Departments and tax inspectors. There is a long delay in the processing of applications for refunds and I should like to ask the Minister to give further thought to his proposal in regard to them. It may be that all that is needed is for the Minister to explain his intentions but my reading is that he will be making things more difficult.

I am disappointed that the Minister has not introduced a system to help the stamp duty review which was called for by the farming bodies. Under the previous scheme there was stamp duty relief for transfers from fathers to sons and I should like to ask the Minister to consider introducing an interest free instalment arrangement over a number of years. I accept that there is a 50 per cent reduction for such transactions but young farmers involved in the transfer of holdings need all the money they can get. I have no doubt that agreement could be reached on a scheme.

I should like to ask the Minister to consider semi-mature forests for exemption from stamp duty. People who are promoting the extension of forestry have made representations to me in regard to that. The Government have told us on many occasions that they are anxious to develop our forests. Semi-mature forests are vital if we are to have a continuation of the enormous amount of interest in forestry by the private sector. The change I have suggested will encourage farmers to get involved. It takes a long time for one to see a return on investment in forestry but if we had a system of mobility under which semi-mature forests would be exempt, or partially exempt, we would be moving in the right direction.

I should like to make an appeal to the Minister on behalf of the poor. In particular, I should like to ask the Minister to reconsider the overseas aid allocation. I am disappointed that that allocation is reduced each year. I do not think we are asking the Exchequer to make a great sacrifice in regard to overseas aid. We will have the Telethon shortly in an effort to raise funds for our poor people and that is laudable, but at the same time our overseas allocation is derisory. It should be improved. I agree with Deputy O'Donoghue that the Minister has disappointed in the budget in not providing sufficient funds for the immediate improvement of schemes devised under the integrated rural development programme. That programme in other countries, such as Germany, has flourished and it is sad to say that in the West finance is not being provided to get some of those pilot schemes off the ground. Many of the schemes that have been prepared are worthy of support.

While this country has seen tremendous improvement in its fortunes since last June when the country once more chose a Fianna fáil led Government, the framework for this revival was laid in 1987 when the people voted out the previous Fine Gael — Labour Coalition. Since last June the Government have grown in popularity because they have gone about tackling the serious economic problems that we faced. The Irish economy has continued to respond to strong fiscal medicine. For too long a stop-go cycle has characterised Ireland's economic history. There is now an opportunity for sustained growth, certainly in the medium term. Gross national product grew by about 4 per cent in 1989, which was higher than has been predicted, and, indeed, most forecasts suggest that GNP would be maintained above the 4 per cent mark up to 1993.

The drop in the borrowing requirements were achieved by public expenditure cuts which at times were politically costly. However, the Government, and their predecessor, did not flinch from pursuing this line of fiscal rectitude as its need was clearly seen. As in the past, the Fianna Fáil Party saw that the well being of the country was of paramount importance.

There has also been a reorganisation and tighening of the tax collection regime. Standard tax rates were cut in 1989 for the first time in many years and this was continued in the 1990 budget as outlined in the Finance Bill before us. The Government have pledged that income tax will continue to fall over the next couple of years — up to 1992 — to two rates of 25 per cent and 48 per cent. It is indeed a remarkable achievement to have brought about a reduction in income tax rates over the past three years and to be in a position to confidently predict that this will continue over the next couple of years despite the problems the country faced because of over-borrowing in the past and the over-use of current budget deficits.

The trade picture has never been brighter. Exports last year were in excess of £14 billion which was £2 billion greater than the record achieved the previous year. There are signs that the return of economic confidence has led to a rapid rise in imports. While a considerable portion of imports are plant and machinery to feed new industrial investment, there has also been a great surge in consumer spending. For instance, new car registrations in the first six months of 1989 were up by about 20 per cent on the previous year and that increase has continued into 1990.

The Government's Programme for National Recovery involving unions and industry in wide-ranging pay agreements tied to an overall economic programme has worked well. Over the past two years, there have been fewer strikes than at virtually any time in our history. I am saying that in the full knowledge that there is an extremely serious dispute in my own constituency which has been ongoing for the past three weeks. I refer, of course, to the unfortunate situation at Waterford Glass which has very serious implications for Waterford city and for Dungarvan. I hope, in line with the general mood of confidence and prosperity that now abounds throughout the length and breadth of this country, that this impasse can be quickly settled to the mutual benefit of all concerned. Not only would lasting problems at Waterford Glass be to the detriment of Waterford city and county but also to the country as a whole, as ongoing problems there would reflect far and wide.

This growing popular perception of better economic times also brings its own problems. The pace of pay claims is likely to quicken as a result and a property boom in Dublin and growing consumer spending has forced interest rates up although they are still well below UK levels. Previously when we complained about interest rates rising here, we were traditionally three or four points ahead of the British rates but now the boot is on the other foot and we are that three or four points below. It looks as if we will maintain that position.

Ireland has also successfully fought the inflation battle. From an annual rate of nearly 20 per cent in 1980 it went down to around 3 per cent last year. The deflationary measures contained in this year's Finance Bill should ensure that a similar performance is again achieved in 1990. The punt has maintained its value within the European monetary system and there is growing maturity and confidence in the Dublin money market.

While Fianna Fáil have pulled this country back from the economic brink, several major problems remain. Because we are such a small country, any significant slow-down in the outside economy could have a detrimental effect on growth prospects. A downturn in the UK which still accounts for approximately one-third of total Irish exports could cause us some problems. The national debt at £25 billion is still too high but because of the economic progress that has been achieved over the past three years, this Government have succeeded in stabilising that debt. However, this debt still eats up a large slice of the economic cake and debt servicing is still costing about £40 per week for every worker in the country. That is the reason, even though our public finances are improving faster than might have been expected, that there can be no let up on Government policy, we cannot dispense with expenditure restraints and engage in a spending spree.

Public sector spending has been the traditional engine of Irish economic growth. The State is now disengaging itself from many areas of economic activity and it is up to the private sector to invest in this more favourable climate which we have been able to create over the past three years. While there has been tremendous success on most fronts, the one disappointment was that the number of unemployed was not falling as rapidly as one would have liked. It is still the biggest problem facing us although the figures for March of this year were a great encouragement when almost 9,000 people were taken off the unemployment register. I believe this is the result of the better economic climate that has been created and while it has taken a little bit longer to reflect itself than we might have hoped, it bears out a report which I read recently in a national newspaper which said that the number of positions being advertised through the media had increased over the past couple of months in comparison with previous periods. It is a significant increase reflected in falling unemployment. This is a sure sign that there are jobs out there to be picked up and I look forward with confidence to this unemployment figure falling even more over the coming months and throughout the rest of 1990.

In the run-up to 1992, Ireland is likely to receive more than £3 billion from EC Structural Funds. This money is vital to the development of Ireland's infrastructure. In particular, the roads system urgently needs development and repair. A private sector investment is vital to maximise the take from Brussels and ensure future development and I am pleased to note that, by and large, private sector investment appears to be there to match Government funding.

It is fair to say that over the past three years the Government have created a sound foundation for economic progress in the 1990s. We are now in a strong position to face the challenges of 1992. For this country it was important that our tenure as President of the EC for six months should have some credibility. This credibility would not be there if our economy was to continue along its merry way as it did prior to 1987. Thankfully, the new-found confidence the past three years have engendered in this country, has also been reflected in our Presidency of the EC and indeed, not only has our Presidency been a credible one but, it played, and is playing, a most important role in the future development of Europe.

No matter what changes are taking place, we must always have one eye on the performance of the agricultural section as it is so important to the economy of this island. The EC's Common Agricultural Policy has been undergoing substantial reform during much of the 1980s. The EC's agenda for 1992, which includes expansion of the Social Fund, marks a further major change in the policy environment. With the assistance of the Structural Funds, the Community is increasingly focusing on the issue of rural development.

The increasing public concern with environment matters and with food quality would also influence policy towards agriculture and food during the nineties. At an international level the current round of GATT negotiations may have a major influence on the future of Irish and European agriculture.

Nineteen eighty nine was another good year for Irish agriculture. The Central Statistics Office estimated in December that income from self-employment and other trading had risen by 5.2 per cent in 1989 thus consolidating the increases in income which had occurred over the previous two years. Within this overall increase in income, gross agricultural output increased by 5.5 per cent. On a sectoral basis, dairying had a very good year with milk prices about 11 per cent higher than in 1988. The national quota has been increased by virtue of the additional Mulder quota and an additional 11 million gallons which the EC Council agreed on in order to permit an increase in the quotas of specified categories of milk producers.

These improvements would not have happened if Ireland had continued with its pre-1987 strategy. Thankfully that was changed and the rural community and the country as a whole have benefited as a result. In February 1989, when the EC agreed on a major review of the beef régime, the special position of the beef industry in the Irish economy was accepted by the EC. This special position was subsequently acknowledged by the Commission.

The sheep sector had another good year in 1989. The pig sector also had a good year and, while there is room for improvement, for the second year in succession the cereals sector maintained a relatively satisfactory level of output and return. These successes would not have been recorded were it not for the favourable climate that was created at home.

Because of the advances that have been made in the economy over the last three years, real increases have been applied to the less well off in our community through increased social welfare payments. The total value of the package for those on social welfare, or at work on low pay will be £216 million in a full year. This will bring total social welfare expenditure in 1990 to £2,764 million, which is its highest ever figure.

Some of the main social welfare provisions in 1990 are as follows. There will be an across the board increase of 5 per cent in all payments, including child benefit. This is well ahead of the expected inflation rate of just over 3 per cent for 1990. This is a further indication of the Government's policy of getting to grips with the poverty problem. A major initiative is also being launched to relieve people on low earnings of liability for PRSI while preserving their entitlements. This is a very important move. There will also be substantial improvements in the tax exemption level for people at work on low pay.

One of the most important advances made in the social welfare area has been the increase and streamlining of payments in respect of child dependants. The child dependant payment will be paid up to age 20 in respect of all long-term recipients as a further step towards age 21. These payments are already paid up to the age of 21 in respect of widows and other lone parents. These increases will mean that a couple on long-term unemployment assistance with two children will receive £105 per week while a couple with four children will receive £127 per week and a couple on short-term unemployment assistance or supplementary allowance with four children will receive £120 per week. These are real meaningful increases which will substantially relieve the burden on many families.

I am pleased that the Government are conscious of the position of individuals on low pay who had their net take home pay reduced by the deduction of PRSI contributions. The payment of such contributions can be a heavy imposition on those below the poverty line. Moreover, PRSI contributions penalise those who are willing to take up low paid employment rather than remain on social welfare. This problem has been tackled by exempting low paid workers from PRSI contributions, which will not affect their entitlement to social insurance benefits.

We can now clearly identify, not on the basis of theory but on the basis of experience, the unduly high level of personal taxation as a specific impediment to the creation of employment. It is the reason some of our most talented and able people who would naturally generate enterprise here decide to go abroad and pursue their careers there. It is for this reason that taxation had to be reduced. The burden was lowered in 1988, lowered further in 1989 and reduced again through the provisions in the 1990 Finance Bill.

Looking back, it is absolutely clear that one of the main factors depressing our economy during the eighties was the continual increase in taxes of all kinds. High tax levels removed the incentive to work and encouraged emigration. In this regard the 1989 budget will be seen as a watershed and the year in which the demolition of the high tax régime began. The standard rate of tax was reduced from 35 to 32 per cent and is now being reduced further to 30 per cent while the highest rate was reduced from 58 to 56 per cent and is being reduced again to 53 per cent. As a result of the enormous improvements in the economy since 1987, the 25 per cent standard rate of tax has become feasible as a target by 1993 with the top rate target of 48 per cent also being eminently achievable.

While much is always made of any reduction in the rates of income tax paid, I believe that the measures taken in the very first section of this Bill are an even more important element in the reduction of income tax. The widening of the income tax bands slows down a person's rise into the higher tax backets. In the case of married persons, the general exemption limit is being increased from £6,000 to £6,500. This move has to be warmly welcomed. People do not realise the important part this move plays in the income tax scenario. The reduction in the rates of income tax and the widening of the exemption limits has meant that real extra money has been put in the pockets of the PAYE workers.

Sections 10 to 23 form an important part of the Finance Bill because of the changes that are made in the basis of assessment. When the proposals as outlined in this Bill are implemented, it will mean that in future all incomes will be charged a tax on the basis of the income of the year of assessment. Up to now some sources of income have been taxed on the basis of the previous year's assessment — these include business profits for trades and professions, foreign income not already taxed in Ireland and rents and incomes from any employment not subject to PAYE. This Bill is effectively moving all of these categories on to the current year's assessment. It will mean that the taxpayer's liability will be finalised on the basis of one return of income to be submitted after the end of the tax year when all the details relating to that year are known. This will bring greater efficiency and certainty to the system, equalise the tax burden and will mean that the advantage sole traders, etc., enjoyed over the PAYE sector heretofore will be abolished.

The new provisions will further mean that the tax office will not need to contact the taxpayer or his or her tax adviser as often as before to finalise his or her tax affairs and there will be no need to reopen the preceding year's figures. This, in turn, will mean less of a compliance burden for taxpayers and their advisers, a greater efficiency in and, therefore, a better service from the tax office.

The provisions outlined in sections 25 and 26, which provide for the extension from 31 May 1991 to 31 May 1993 of the time limits applying to qualifying expenditure for the purpose of the urban renewal reliefs, are very important particularly to my constituency of Waterford. The area which was designated in Waterford city a number of years ago has been transformed because of the tax breaks which applied to that area. The biggest development in the urban renewal area in Waterford is a major £20 million shopping centre. That development should and would have been finished some time ago were it not for the problems which arose because of the many important archaeological finds that were made on that site. Obviously these digs delayed the building work considerably and if the completion date had not been extended, it would have had grave implications for Waterford.

Because of the provisions in these sections this means that Waterford will benefit two-fold. First, there is the major economic benefit of providing such a large shopping centre which is going to generate something in the region of 400-500 jobs. It will also make Waterford an even more attractive city, thereby generating an extra through-flow of people with the obvious spin-off benefits that will bring. Second, because of the archaeological find a new heritage centre has already been opened in Waterford which displays many of the items that were unearthed. This is proving to be extremely successful and obviously helps the drive that is on at present to bring more tourists into the area.

While the whole concept of the business expansion scheme has been a good one, and indeed has provided much needed equity capital for a wide range of business ventures, there is nevertheless no doubt that many creative accountants have been able in the past to get projects approved under this scheme that were never really intended to be included. The spirit of the business expansion scheme was being ruined by the application of the strict legalities of the scheme. There is very little point in giving investors a surefire way of putting up money with absolutely no risk attached to it. This had to be changed, and thankfully it was under this Bill. I am sure everybody will welcome the provisions in this Part of the Bill.

I was gratified to hear Opposition spokesmen welcome these changes. Other provisions contained in this Finance Bill to be welcomed include the new subsection which provides that the production of a film on a commercial basis will be treated as the manufacture of goods provided that not less than 75 per cent of the work on this production is carried out in this State. Classifying this procedure as manufacturing, means it attracts corporation tax at a rate of 10 per cent. This should be of tremendous benefit to our film industry and demonstrates that the Government are prepared to play their part in promoting the film industry following on their recent tremendous success. Also welcome is the section which provides tax relief on donations made by companies to the Trust for Community Initiative. A company which makes a gift to the trust will be entitled to treat the payment as a trading expense or as an expense of management, as appropriate. Obviously this action will encourage such donations.

The provisions contained in sections 59 to 70 are not only an important element of this Bill but also indicative of the general thrust of Government policy. Accelerated annual capital allowances are being reduced which has the effect of endeavouring to shift the emphasis from machinery to people. In recent years, investors have been encouraged to invest in machinery to the detriment of the labour force. There were always penalties associated with employing people but tax breaks if one employed machinery instead. At the end of the day this has cost the Government in terms of revenue. There has also been a social cost. Hopefully these provisions will encourage investors to invest once more in labour rather than machinery which would go a long way to reducing unemployment figures also.

While some manufacturing entities may view this as a retrograde step, they are more than compensated by the extension of the 10 per cent corporation tax régime to the year 2010. Many people may feel this has been an imprudent move. There may be others who think that, as we are still ten years away from the year 2000, it is very early to take such a decision. However, such a decision was necessary. An indication had to be given to the manufacturing sector of what would happen. We must remember that current management thinking dictates that corporate plans be prepared ten years in advance rather than three to five years which was the position heretofore. Obviously, industry had to know what was happening. Hence the taking of the decision at this time.

While a 10 per cent corporation tax figure is quite low it must be weighed against its attendant benefits. There is no doubt that it is an attraction to foreign investors to be able to set up a manufacturing plant here, knowing that our tax concessions are so beneficial. Were we to frighten off such investors it would leave very little hope for those people at present unemployed. There is no doubt that, with new cheap labour markets opening up throughout Eastern Europe, we are going to have to fight even harder in ensuing years to attract investment here. We must remember that the first thing any investor will ascertain is what return he will get on his capital. If he is not going to get sufficient return here, obviously, he will go elsewhere. That is why it is imperative that the 10 per cent rate remains. International factors will render the future difficult enough for us without us adding to our difficulties by effectively shooting ourselves in the foot. In ten years time we may be able to lift this rate of corporation tax. Certainly we cannot tamper with it at present.

Reductions in capital gains tax, customs and excise duties and VAT are all to be warmly welcomed. This first step towards the harmonisation of taxes, looking forward to 1992, was necessary. The most significant decrease has been the 2 per cent reduction in VAT which has meant reduction in household goods, both durable and non-durable, electrical and non-electrical, consumables such as wine, beer spirits, goods for personal use, sport and recreational goods, educational goods, religious goods, building materials, marine goods, medical goods, agricultural goods, office equipment and stationery, clothing materials and equipment, packaging, services, and other miscellaneous items including motor vehicles, petrol, bicycles, and so on. In short, almost anything one cares to name has been reduced in price because of the VAT provisions outlined. I look forward to further VAT reductions in ensuing years.

It has become evident that the path we have been pursuing over the last three years, most certainly is the correct one. It would be very easy for us to fall back into our old bad habits, that is demanding lower taxes while at the same time seeking higher public spending. Employment has been responding to the new and better conditions created. This response appears to have been accelerated of late and should continue into the future. The general well-being and morale of our people is high at present. This Bill and its provisions ensure a continuation of the sound basis on which that morale was generated. This is an excellent start to the 1990s. Indeed it is a decade to which we can now look with increasing confidence.

(Carlow-Kilkenny): Níl sé ar intinn agam óráid ró-fhada a thabhairt anocht ach ba mhaith liom cúpla focal a rá faoi na hábhair atá sa Bhille seo agus b'fhéidir ábhair nach bhfuil ann. Tá súil agam go n-éireoidh leis an gcáinaisnéis seo, mar tá scamaill — agus guím nach scamaill mhóra iad — ag druidim i dtreo na tíre seo. Ní dóigh liom go mbeidh saol na bhfeirmeoirí sa bhliain atá le teacht chomh maith agus a bhí sa bhliain atá caite. Ó thaobh bainne de ní féidir a rá go bhfuil saol iontach ag teacht chucu.

(Cuir isteach.)

(Carlow-Kilkenny): Tá súil agam nach mbeidh sé sin ceart. Sin mar atá á rá agam. Freisin, ní dóigh liom go mbeidh saol ró-mhaith ag na daoine a fuair airgead ar iasacht os rud é go bhfuil na rátaí úis ag éirí, agus ní thiocfaidh an dá Ghearmáin le chéile gan cur isteach ar an dtír. B'fhéidir nach dtarlóidh na rudaí sin ach tá an baol sin ann. Tá súil agam go mbeidh an cháinaisnéis seo on target ag deireadh na bliana.

(Carlow-Kilkenny): Bhí Fianna Fáil ullamh i gcónaí ach ní dhéanfaidh sé sin maitheas ar bith.

I have heard some very confident statements by people on the Government side of the House. Confidence is a wonderful thing provided one does not have to suffer later on its account. I have also heard Government speakers talk about the present state of our economy, how good it is and what the Government have done in bringing that about. I give credit to them for everything good they have done. Nonetheless I contend it is somewhat small-minded not to acknowledge that the Coalition Government of Deputy Garret FitzGerald set the scene for this recovery. To talk about inflation having been reduced, not paying the slightest attention to the fact that it was at 21 per cent when the Coalition Government of Deputy FitzGerald assumed office and at something of the order of 4 per cent when they left office, surely is closing one's eyes to reality? While one can adopt a very confident line in speeches one must also give credit where it is due. Cothrom na Féinne has always been important. There could be no improvement in the economy without first reducing the rate of inflation but with inflation going through the roof how one could ask for wage restraint or keep down the cost of living?

Reference has been made to the improvement in our exports and balance of payments but the first improvements were brought about by the Coalition Government under Deputy Garret FitzGerald. There is no point in Deputies getting up in this House to repeat nothing happened until this Government took over; nothing would have happened if the ground work had not been done. Indeed much more might have happened if the Government when in Opposition had adopted a much more realistic approach and had not told the people then that there was no need for cutbacks and that the Government of the day were trying to screw them into the ground. There has been an improvement in the economy and I welcome it but we should give credit to all sides.

Turning to the Finance Bill itself, it is time we introduced equality in the taxation system. In all my time in politics I have found that nothing has led to more divisions in society than the structure of the taxation system. People will always feel they are paying too much tax and that some sections are not paying their fair share. I welcome the proposal that the self-employed be taxed on a current year basis. I believe they could make a very good case, as one farming organisation has done, for receiving the £800 allowance which PAYE taxpayers receive. Why should one section of the community receive an allowance while another does not? I urge the Minister to consider introducing an amendment on Committee Stage which would make this allowance available to all taxpayers. Failure to do so will lead to further divisions as both the self-employed and farmers will feel that they are being discriminated against. The self-employed also have their grievances and we should do everything in our power to change the system so that the PAYE taxpayers, the self-employed and farmers will not feel the others are getting away with murder. The first step we should take is to make the allowances which are available to PAYE taxpayers available to the self-employed and the allowances which are available to the self-employed available to PAYE taxpayers.

Nowhere are the divisions more apparent than when it comes to applications for third level grants. PAYE taxpayers have to produce their P60 form and if they are found to be £5 over the limit no grant will be paid. Divisions are caused when they see children of self-employed people receive grants. The reason for this is that the self-employed can list expenses which PAYE taxpayers are unable to claim for. Admittedly, some of these expenses are legitimate but they are simply complying with the system as laid down. It is about time that both the self-employed and PAYE taxpayers received the same allowances. It is grossly unfair that a family should have to pay to put their child through third level while knowing that a child of self-employed parents is receiving a grant, although we cannot conclude that each self-employed person or farmer with many acres of land is doing well. Given the performance of the beef sector during the past year, it is easy to see why the children of farmers qualify for third level grants. This is a question the Minister for Finance and the Minister for Education must tackle. They must sit down together to decide what is allowable.

In my own county there is a dispute as to whether the children of certain self-employed persons are entitled to receive third level grants. The academic year is almost complete, yet this dispute is still going on. It is obvious the Department have passed the buck to the officials in the county councils who say they are complying with the regulations as laid down. It is criminal that this dispute has not been settled given that the students will leave college at the end of May. This should be tackled as a matter of urgency and we should ensure that this is the last year in which a row will take place over who is entitled to receive third level grants.

We are not being fair to parents who have to submit their accounts in allowing this dispute to continue. Some have been asked to give a breakdown of the figures and, as I say, a year has gone by and they still do not know whether their children will receive a grant. Some of the students do not know if they will be able to return to college for a second year as they are not sure if their parents can afford to send them there. Many of them went to college on the understanding they would receive the grant. I hope the Minister will tackle this matter and make reference to it when replying. Decisions are made on the basis of the information contained in the P60 form and, therefore, we must achieve a balance and ensure people do not end up feeling aggrieved.

In his speech the Minister made reference to mortgage relief and defended his positon by stating that those paying mortgages have benefited from the reductions in income tax. I do not accept this argument because we have to bear in mind that many people took out mortgages when the rate was four percentage points lower and at a time when they were well able to meet their repayments. However, they now find they are unable to meet repayments while obtaining 80 per cent relief. We are not being fair to these people who, by taking out mortgages, have eased the pressure on the Government to provide housing. As we are all aware, house building by local authorities has become a thing of the past. I am not aware of the position in Dublin but on average Carlow County Council used to build 55 houses per year but this year we are going to build 14. The waiting list is getting longer and longer and this is why people should be encouraged to take out mortgages. The Minister missed a golden opportunity to increase the amount of relief available and grant 100 per cent relief on interest paid on mortgages. He should have grasped the nettle and done so. The Minister indicated they have benefited from the reduction in income tax but he should remember they are not the only ones who have benefited. They are not the only ones who are gaining as a result of the reduction in income tax but they have certainly stuck their necks out by trying to build their own houses and we should acknowledge that.

The whole question of covenant payments needs to be looked at. It is confined to 5 per cent of the parents' salary. There is no limit on other people. The very people who need these covenants, because they could not get third level grants perhaps, are the people with two children in university. If one pays for one child the 5 per cent limit is used up. I do not know why this 5 per cent limit is put on parents and I suppose it does not take a great genius to see a way around it. For that reason the fairest thing would be to remove the 5 per cent limit on deeds of covenant where parents are concerned. If one pays for one's children in university and one does not get tax relief on that, a covenant at least gives one a break. It is grossly unfair to taxpayers that they are paying out money for university fees and cannot get any relief if they have already paid 5 per cent of their income in one deed of covenant. It can be got around easily. People should not be forced to abuse the system. I hope the Minister will reconsider that for Committee Stage.

I was very disappointed because of all the hype beforehand about the threshold levels for inheritance tax. It is very hard to understand how limits set up 15 years ago have not changed. The fact that it is being index-linked for this year proves that it was too low. It has been argued that a person who gets a farm worth £200,000 is very lucky but if he has not got the money to pay the tax and has to start selling the land, it is rather like being left a jumbo jet and not being able to use it for want of the price of the petrol to run it. A person who inherits a huge hotel, if it is his livelihood, has to have the money to back it. We cannot compete in Europe and expect young farmers to go into debt as soon as they get a farm where instead of investing money in the land they have to borrow money. The same applies in business. It looks very glamorous to see a person taking over a big business but there are so many overheads that if they are clobbered straight away with a bill for £50,000 they are off to a bad start. The inheritance tax should have been index-linked from the time it was set up because it was not set up at a certain level in the seventies just for the sake of it. It should be index-linked right along and then we could start off with this year as the base and keep adding on from here. Otherwise people will be in difficulty. The official response from Revenue seems to be that before a person inherited land they did not have that much land and therefore, they could sell some of it to pay the tax. However, farms are not just sold off in pieces. Neither can one sell off part of a shop. If one is giving employment and producing goods that should be enough.

Reference has been made to some of the allowances being given. I was appalled to find that so many widows have found their widows pension reduced by 3 per cent because of PRSI payments. This has not gone down very well. They are getting almost nothing because I believe the extra benefit is half disability benefit. It is amazing that when somebody loses a partner, instead of getting extra help they are suddenly left on their own and will not even get a married person's allowance. I cannot see why a person who has to take on the running of a family on their own should suffer. Should we not be giving further help because that person more than likely will have to pay someone to come in and mind the children? Would it not be more in our line to give them an extra allowance to help them to get over their difficulties than to clobber them by reducing them to an in-between status between being single and being married when it comes to allowances, in this case putting a 3 per cent tax on them for PRSI which will be of very little benefit to them. During the budget debate I said I was interested in seeing what PRSI payments public servants will have to pay. I predicted that it might put the cat among the pigeons later on. I do not know what progress has been made on the matter but we will be lucky to get away with 3 per cent.

Reference has been made to the growth of the economy and how well we are doing. It was said we had an increase of 13,000 jobs last year. I am beginning to wonder if we are like Alice in Wonderland or Rip Van Winkle just waking up. Does this labour force survey mean that all that was done previously was done the wrong way? Where did all these jobs come from? If people are emigrating at the rate they are, how could we possibily be creating these jobs? Unemployment is staying as it is; emigration is increasing. I suppose if we did not have FÁS schemes and other temporary jobs we would have far more unemployed. Women are certainly being taken off the unemployment list because no matter how they try to prove they are looking for work they are being told that they are not making a proper effort. We have an artificial cutting down of the unemployment figures. We have a growth of a mythical 13,000 jobs. I would like to know what exactly is happening in this area.

Deputy Carey mentioned delays in headage payments and so on. It must be policy to delay payments. Certainly there is no defence this year. Things are chaotic. Payments that were always made before Christmas were not going out until February.

Decentralisation is to be welcomed but it does not look as if the decentralisation that took place in the past few years has been very successful or that the transfer to Cavan brought about greater efficiency. It seems enough people did not go or if they did their goods and chattels were lost in the train somewhere. The whole thing was chaotic as far as I can see. At one stage they could not even answer the telephones here in Dublin because they were making such an effort to get the payments out. That should never happen. I do not know how farmers put up with that. Would any of us do without our salaries? That is what it boils down to. Headage payments and sheep subsidies were all due. Farmers also have arrangements with banks and with their own families and they suddenly find that there are delays of a few weeks and then another few weeks. These things should not happen. The numbers may vary up or down but there is a standard payment and it should not cause any great hassle.

Urban renewal has been mentioned and I welcome it as long as it does not cause a complete imbalance in a town. If the old part of a town is not renewed but rather a new shopping centre is opened in a different part of the town, it is just bringing business from one part of the town to another. It gives unequal advantage to new businesses which may last a few years during which they have special rates of tax and so on and might then go out of business while the long established businesses that might be there for 100 years will have to compete with them. There will not be a level playing pitch because these established businesses will be at a disadvantage straight away. With urban renewal we should ensure that the old parts of towns are brought up to date and people are encouraged to renovate derelict sites and repair old buildings. I would welcome that but I am concerned that it might cause havoc in a town.

I hope, as I have said, that the hiccup as regards income will only be temporary and that the country will benefit at the end of the year. I hope the Minister will consider some of the matters I have raised, in particular equality in taxation, widows' rights, inheritance tax levels and the question of giving allowances to the self employed equal to those given to the PAYE sector.

I would like to congratulate the Minister for Finance on bringing forward this very impressive legislation. The purpose of the Bill, as we all know, is to give effect to the various provisions of the budget of 1990. Included also are a number of very detailed changes in our elaborate system of tax law. The various provisions in the Bill will come to be dealt with at Committee Stage. Looking through the Bill one cannot but be impressed by the great amount of detailed work which went into its preparation and I think it is only right that we in this House should acknowledge the competence and professionalism of the various sections of the public service which helped the Minister to bring the Bill forward.

My congratulations to the Minister apply also, of course, to the budget which he introduced in this House on 31 January 1990.

I think therefore that in commenting at this Second Reading Stage on the Bill it would be well to recall to the House some of the broad points of policy for the future and reports on the budgetary results of the past three years which the Minister gave us on budget day. Budget 1990 and the Finance Bill 1990 are important steps on the way to achieving the objectives of the Programme for National Recovery and the National Development Plan.

Two of the greatest problems which the Government have to contend with are the high levels of unemployment and the great difficulties of people at lower levels of income. It is generally agreed that the first step in dealing with these two major problems of unemployment and lower income is the putting in order of the public finances. The area of public finances has been very efficiently managed over the years since 1987. That management has brought around a greatly strengthened confidence in the economy of this country not only within the country itself but within the many places in Europe and outside of Europe where decisions can be made which would be of benefit or of disadvantage to us depending on the view taken of how we are managing our affairs.

Under this broad heading of control of the public finances there are two major barometers of progress. One is the rate of inflation and the other our own internal costs which affect every aspect of our economy. Keeping costs at competitive levels is all important. That importance grows as we approach the increased economic integration within the European Community which is already beginning to take effect and which it is intended to have fully in operation on 1 January 1993.

I think it is as well also to recall briefly some of the major pointers to success in Government policy which were set out in the Minister's Budget Statement. In 1989 the growth of real gross national product is estimated to have been 3 per cent, a very impressive figure. The effects of this increase and the results of Government policy are to be seen in the increase by more than 30,000 in the number of jobs in the private non-agricultural sectors in the two year period April 1987 to April 1989. Non-agricultural employment is estimated to have grown by some 13,000 in 1989 and this despite necessary reductions in public service staffing. This figure matches closely the decrease of 12,000 in the numbers on the live register at the end of the year 1989.

There are a few more facts which I would like to quote in order to emphasise the very good effects of Government policy over the past three years. If we continue to do our work properly we can look forward to inflation of less than 3 per cent by the end of 1990. Another very encouraging figure is that in 1989 Government borrowing at 2.4 per cent of GNP was at its lowest for about 40 years.

I think it is well to recount these figures briefly in view of the Bill which we are now discussing. They are extremely relevant to the deliberations on that Bill. They are equally relevant to the day-to-day problems which all Members of this House have to deal with in the course of work in their constituencies. I refer in particular to the problems of people who are looking for work or the problems of those who find it very difficult to manage on low incomes. Broad indications of how the economy is improving may be of no great immediate comfort to somebody looking for a job. Nevertheless it is true that the hope for an improved future must be based on broad facts concerning the improvement of the economy which I have just been referring to very briefly. There is also, of course, the very important aspect of this Bill and of the budget in regard to improving the lot of people who are on low incomes. Budget 1990 made significant improvements in the lot of these people. Noticeable increases were given in weekly welfare payments including pensioners, the long-term unemployed and other categories. In addition to this, very acceptable improvements were made to help taxpayers on low incomes.

If I were asked to summarise the good points about budget 1990 and the Finance Bill which we are now discussing I would say that both measures are on target as regards Government policy to improve the lot of all our people in this year and in the years ahead. In order to make sure that we achieve our objectives the policies of the last three years in regard to putting the economy back on the right road must be followed.

I would now like to turn for a little while to some areas which concern me more closely in my responsibilities as Minister of State at the Department of Agriculture and Food. I referred earlier to the great importance of maintaining our internal costs in this country at competitive levels. This particular factor has been brought home very forcibly to me in recent months, particularly with regard to the mushroom industry for which I have responsibility. That industry as we all know has made particularly noteworthy progress in recent years. Production increased from a base of 6,800 tonnes in 1980 to 31,000 tonnes in 1989. That 1989 production was valued at £35 million and the greater part of the production is exported to the United Kingdom market. I refer to that market in particular because of the very noticeable change which has taken place over the past six months or so in the relative values of the Irish pound and the pound sterling.

For the first nine months of 1989 the exchange rate was of the order of 84p sterling to the Irish pound. In recent months however this exchange rate has moved up well into the mid and high 90s. The result has been a price drop of about 6p a pound to the Irish producer. This is a serious drop in returns for the very many people throughout the country who have put very hard work into the development of this industry and who are depending on it for their livelihood.

As I have told this House already in the course of a debate in the past month, I have had a number of meetings with representatives of both the mushroom growers and the companies exporting the mushrooms. I impressed very strongly on the groups I met that they should give the greatest possible attention to the matters which were under their own control, especially their own costs and the efficiency of their production methods. I think it is worth saying here that many growers in this country are getting upwards of 20p per pound less for their mushrooms than the growers of higher quality produce elsewhere. As far as mushroom yields are concerned, some growers are getting yields of about 30 per cent lower than the best growers. There is clear scope for improvement.

Fluctuations in exchange rates are at risk which traders generally have to contend with. However, I would like to draw attention here to a statement made by the Minister for Finance already in this House that it is the clear policy of the Government to link the exchange rate firmly with the European monetary system. In this way we can reduce inflationery pressures, achieve a stable low rate of inflation and consequently improve competitiveness. I think we have here in regard to the mushroom industry a very clear example of what I have already been saying in regard to the Government's economic policy, i.e. that the pursuit of a policy aimed at fostering a more competitive environment for Irish business is still the most effective way in which the Government can assist exporters including, of course, mushroom exporters, to compete effectively in the United Kingdom and other markets.

Before leaving the mushroom industry I would like to tell the House that a review of the industry is in the course of being carried out with a view to a strategy for medium and long term development. The Department of Agriculture and Food, Bord Glas, IDA, CTT and, of course, the industry itself are involved in this review.

I hope very shortly to be announcing the membership of the new Board Glas to be set up under the provisions of the Bord Glas Act, 1990. I am looking forward to close co-operation with the new board in the carrying on of the work of developing our horticultural industry. For this work a very good headline has been set by the interim Bord Glas. Still on the matters connected with Bord Glas, I would like also to tell the House that the interim board set up a sub-group to consider the possibilities of developing organic farming. That work has now been broadened out by the special section to deal with organic farming which has been set up in the Department of Agriculture and Food. This sector has possibilities of development which could have very useful economic effects including, of course, the improvement of employment possibilities and the increase of export opportunities.

On the general subject of economic development there are some major points I would like to refer to very briefly here. We are all aware of the importance of the current round of GATT negotiations. An important meeting was held on this subject in Mexico in the past week and I am going to a meeting of Community Agriculture Ministers and Agriculture Ministers from other European countries which will be held in Austria in the coming week. Agriculture is a very important issue, but not the only issue, in the current round of negotiations.

Ireland in common with its partners in the European Community wishes to see an overall outcome to the negotiations which will give mutual advantage and increased benefits for all participants. The European Community is the world's largest importer and the second largest exporter of agriculture and food products and, indeed, as the world's biggest exporter in overall terms, has a vital interest in ensuring that world markets function satisfactorily. This includes establishing a fair and market-oriented trading system for agricultural trade.

In the negotiations to date the Community has adopted a realistic, comprehensive and consistent approach to agriculture. We have expressed a willingness to seek out better ways to manage international markets and to re-define GATT rules and procedures. The negotiating proposals which the Community has put forward are consistent with the objectives of the negotiations and also with the policies which have applied internally in the Community since 1984. Other participants in the negotiations have put forward their views on how the objectives of this GATT round should be attained. While the Community is reasonably open in its negotiating position, the eventual outcome must enable us to continue to maintain viable rural societies.

Of relevance to my remarks about the GATT are the negotiations going on these days in Brussels to enable the Council of Agriculture Ministers to take decisions on the Commission proposals for the 1990-1991 price proposals. Anybody who has any experience of these negotiations at the Agriculture Council will know that they are far from easy. I know that my colleagues, Minister O'Kennedy, in his position as President of the Council and Minister of State, Joe Walsh, who is the Irish spokesman, are giving their best to see that there is a fair outcome for the Community and for Ireland.

I would like to make two more points before I conclude. The first is to draw the attention of the House to an announcement I made earlier today about the 1990 flood damage relief scheme. The scheme will assist farmers who have suffered genuine hardship as a result of livestock, fodder and grazing losses arising from flooding earlier this year. I would like to add that this is a once off measure because of the exceptionally difficult circumstances with which farmers had to cope. This is not the first occasion on which I have spoken in the House on this issue and I am glad that the Government have put me in a position to announce the details of the scheme.

Finally, and I deal with a concern which affects me in my position as Deputy for a Border county, I would like to express again my appreciation of the actions taken by the Minister for Finance in regard to excise duties payable on televisions, videos and camcorders. As the House knows, traders in Border areas have for a considerable time been subject to a great amount of unfair trading pressure because of imports of these items from outside the State. I am hopeful that the changes which the Minister has introduced will lead to increased trade for businesses in Border counties and to the curbing of illegal imports.

I welcome the Finance Bill, 1990 and I wish it a speedy passage through the Oireachtas.

I welcome the opportunity to speak on this Bill. I listened with interest to the Minister of State's reference to the GATT round and I am reassured that he and the Government are paying considerable attention to that area. I would ask that they convey to our European colleagues the importance of ensuring the future of the agricultural production sector from a European point of view. Whatever else may prevail in politics worldwide, one thing is certain. The job of European representatives is to have regard to world politics but to have a prior regard to the need to ensure that production in the food sector is assured of a healthy future right across Europe. We do not want to have a situation which has prevailed for some years whereby other much more affluent nations have used mechanisms to offload cheap feed supplements into the European market with the result that huge surpluses were created which ultimately caused problems for European farmers but more particularly for Irish producers who are more dependent on this than most.

I listened with interest to the various speakers on the Government side of the House. Their enthusiasm never ceases to amaze me. One thing that could be deduced was that each speaker responded with even greater enthusiasm than his predecessor on the basis that the country was virtually booming. I am surprised that out on the streets huge changes are not taking place, that the stock market, Wall Street, Tokyo and all the major markets have not been shaken by the huge input of enthusiasm from that side of the House and particularly the strong and firm foundations that the Government have laid. One can only compare that to the guy who is trying to teach a parrot to talk. He feels that by repeating the message often enough the message will get across and that he will not have to say it anymore. I am sorry to disillusion anybody on that side of the House that reality is far from the picture that has been painted by the Government.

If we want to talk in this House about stability in the economy — and in the financial markets there may well be stability — I can assure you that in the households throughout the country the same degree of stability does not extend. The same degree of stability does not extend to the 70,000 young people who left this country in the past 12 months and a similar number who left last year and the previous year. The degree of stability which we have heard about this evening obviously is little reassurance to those people who are in London or, perhaps, illegally in Boston, New York or elsewhere. It is of little reassurance to the people who have left the shores of this island to seek employment elsewhere. It is of little reassurance to those people who have known, as we have known, that employment has been virtually taxed out of existence by PRSI and other charges. I do not want to go into too much detail in that area at present because I intend to refer to it at a later stage.

All the accolades that have been given to the Government by the various speakers on their side of the House count for very little when one considers the real situation which is that we have 250,000 people unemployed. We have exported another 250,000 in the past three years. Interest rates are rising rapidly and dangerously. In relation to agricultural prices we heard about stability and about structures which are in place. Agricultural enterprises are becoming less profitable and more people are leaving the land simply because they see no future in it. We can continue on down that road.

The one issue that irritates and irks me intently, and which needs to be responded to, is that speakers on that side of the House repeat — I presume in order to convince themselves — that good things began to happen in a certain period in 1987, that the misery and the difficulties which existed previously were all resolved, that suddenly the clouds were rolled away, the sun shone, the birds sang in the trees and everything in the garden was rosy. I know that by repeating this message often enough the speakers on that side of the House probably believe it. A Leas-Cheann Comhairle, I would regard that as the most serious problem. It is one thing telling the world outside and telling the unfortunate people on this side of the House that things are in a certain way but it is much more serious if they actually believe it themselves. If they believe what they said in the House this evening, then I would have to raise serious questions about the various facts and figures which were trotted out over the past two or three years. If they believe what they told us here this evening — and they expect us to believe it — then the credibility of the entire story must be called to question.

Let us look at some of the aspects of the Finance Bill. I welcome the increases in the income tax exemptions. Like many things they sound great. Everybody comes along to our clinics and say: "This is great, it will be fantastic, we will be tax free next year, we will get a virtual handout". Then they receive their certificates of tax-free allowances and at certain income tax levels some are tax free, some who will have to pay more than previously, but the allowances are not in any way dramatically increased. The poor unfortunate people who were looking forward to this bonanza are disappointed. They are disappointed simply because in the presentation of figures the various thresholds are introduced in such a way as to make it look attractive. In reality when the unfortunate person receives his first paypacket after 5 April the fun starts and this year was no exception. It was no exception for the number of people who found from January right up to April, if they were unfortunate enough to have moved into a different tax band, that they took home less money as happened in previous years. The story is still the same.

The value of the reduction of the rates of income tax must be measured against other increases. I will not refer too deeply to that at this stage. The increases I am talking about are the possible benefits that could have accrued to the public, for example, VAT on electricity or telephone charges. It can be argued on that side of the House that the ESB and Telecom Éireann can absorb the increases. That is not the point. The point is that a reduction would have accrued to the consumer if the Government had not stepped in and decided that they wanted some of the benefit. Consumers here who were levied with one of the most expensive electricity and telephone charges in Europe for many years and were at last going to receive some of the benefits and a good telephone and electricity service will not benefit. It will not be done by way of a levy but we will impose it on the board or the company providing the service. However, the consumers will be affected ultimately because they will not get the benefit of any reduction in costs. Very little was said by the other side of the House on this matter. It will take about one year before the negative aspects are felt. I would not expect the people on that side of the House to say it too often or each speaker to say it but now and again I would have expected some speakers to mention in passing that these aspects were also related to the budget and the Finance Bill, and, as we know, the Finance Bill is the mechanism which gives statutory effect to the budget.

Another item is the reduction of life assurance tax relief. That is an interesting one. One thing that was brought home to me when I first read about that — again it was not repeated very much on that side of the House — was that young single people in the one area where they could possibly do something for themselves by way of savings and giving themselves a little bit of income tax relief was through life assurance but we have started at last to take that on board and erode it a little further. Is it any wonder that 75,000 of them have left the country, that they have not confidence enough in this economy to remain here? Why should they when we do not seem to have regard to the fact that single people in particular are the very people who are highest taxed, they have little or no allowances, that in many cases they do not have mortgages and so on, yet we decide to clobber them? There was very little reference to that on the other side of the House. I was disappointed. I would have thought at least one or two of the backbenchers would have created some kind of row about that and suggested that somewhere in future budgets or Finance Bills or even in this Finance Bill a little innocuous amendment could be introduced whereby the unfortunate victims of this atrocity would at least be aware that somebody had concern for their plight.

Now we come to mortgage interest relief, something I have not figured out fully yet. We know that with 1992 on the horizon everybody is calling for the harmonisation of taxes, excise duties and so forth. While a certain amount of harmonisation is taking place, ironically it is taking place in such a way as to have a negative impact on the Irish consumer. In other words, we are introducing the penalty parts of it. We are not so enthusiastic about introducing the other more positive aspects of tax harmonisation which would bring us into line with our colleagues in the rest of Europe. This is serious because we are going to have to do so in the next couple of years. In the meantime all we are doing is penalising a number of people simply by chipping away at the little concessions they have and at the same time giving no recognition to the fact that out there are those who are buying cars, petrol, diesel and a whole host of consumer goods and who are looking on and wondering whether there could be a catch in it. Could there be some little trick up somebody's sleeve whereby the consumer could be disappointed? I hope not because if that is so, serious problems will exist not only for this country but also for the EC.

At a time when interest rates are at their highest for some several years, when house prices have inflated out of all proportion, when people are borrowing and getting new loans in an attempt to look after themselves in terms of housing, we decide to continue the trend of reducing mortgage interest relief. In the current year there should have been a restoration of the relief that existed in the past. That would have been an obvious gesture, a recognition of the people who are working hard to supply themselves with housing, who are supporting the building industry by causing houses to be built. All we have done this year is to leave relief as it was. That is negative but, obviously, views on this differ. My attitude to it is that anybody who has had a mortgage for less than ten years is hit hard by increases in interest rates while anybody who has had a mortgage for more than 20 years will at this stage have gained the benefit of mortgage interest relief for all those years. It is all very fine for people in the latter category to say that we should abolish mortgage interest relief but those people who have bought houses in the last five or ten years and who have young families who are expensive in terms of schooling and the provision of clothing, footwear and so on, are at least entitled to a recognition of their plight. A time when house prices have increased out of all proportion should have been the ideal time to restore the kind of mortgage relief that existed a few years ago. There are those who will say that such a suggestion is flying in the face of what 1992 and the harmonisation of taxes is all about. That may well be, but when we want to do so in other areas we are quite good at introducing things that fly in the face of 1992. For the very useful and constructive reasons I have just set out, mortgage interest relief should have been restored to its former level.

I note the extension in relation to stock relief for farmers. That may be useful to a limited extent.

Those who are members of local authorities must realise that VAT is a huge cost, a burden that private enterprise does not have. This tax so far as local authorities are concerned serves no useful purpose. All it does is impose directly a burden on a body who are subservient to the Department of the Environment, an unnecessary financial burden which is not at all beneficial to the provision of services nor conducive to efficiency or the better delivery of services. It is the one issue that has come up year after year at local authority estimates meetings and it should be referred to on both sides of the House in this debate. As a member of a local authority I would be very remiss in my duty if I did not raise that issue now. There are those who will say that relief from that burden is not feasible but many other things that were supposed not to have been feasible have been attempted. Indeed people on the other side of the House this very evening have even attempted to justify some of those impossible and totally unfeasible things. I see no reason at all that there should not have been an attempt to alleviate that burden at a time when it has become acceptable for private enterprise to carry out many of the tasks that were previously undertaken by local authorities. I do not want to delay the proceedings of the House any further on that, but I think it should be looked at. I am disappointed that greater consideration was not given to it.

Previous speakers have referred to the ICMSA's campaign for the introduction of PAYE and PRSI allowance as it applies to the PAYE sector. I accept that fully. If the same system of taxation is to apply — there may be differing views as to whether it should — then let it apply and let the same concessions apply. If the farming community are going to pay their tax in the current year, as opposed to the former practice when they paid in respect of the previous year, the same concessions as apply to other sectors should apply to them. I am disappointed that that was not taken into account.

From time to time we all make a case in terms of how it relates specifically to our constituents. While that may be done in the interest of political expediency, it is not always in that best interests of society as a whole. We should all try to be as fair as possible regardless of whether there exists within our constituencies the urban-rural division that seems to have developed in recent years. That is divisive, destructive and unhelpful in our society. I will elaborate on that issue on another occasion.

The farming lobby has requested an adjustment in the thresholds that apply to inheritance tax. In the early seventies if an agricultural property was passed on to a son or a daughter the amount of duty levied in some cases made it impossible for those people to continue with the enterprise. On occasions when the property had to revert back to the original owner that person had to pay a huge sum in duties. That system was changed and other taxes were introduced but no regard has been had for the dramatic increases in the value of property in the last 18 months. As a result agricultural property will have to be sold if people are to pay the duties levied on them. Families have worked all their lives to improve their holdings and they are now being forced to sell them. The morality of that is highly questionable. I appeal to the Members opposite to use their influence with the Government to bring about a change in that system this year. It is still not too late to do so.

I should like to refer to the question of transport costs. If one discusses transport costs with those involved in the haulage business in any part of the country, one quickly gets the message that the costs here are considerably higher than in any other European country. That is because of the duties they have to pay and the many obstacles that are placed in their way, some by the institutions of State and others by nature. I accept that as an island nation on the western extremity of Europe our transport costs to the other member states will be high but I do not think they should be as high as 50 per cent more than our competitors. If we are serious about encouraging our industrialists to compete on the so-called level playing pitch of Europe we should ensure that our transport costs are below those of our competitors.

We should give our industrialists the same chance as their competitors on the Continent. If we do not improve their position after 1992 our hauliers will register outside the country. They will gain if they do that. Big vehicles from the UK and the Continent can be seen on all our roads. They can operate more effectively here if they are based outside the country. One must take into consideration the many costs that our hauliers must face, such as replacing broken springs and burst tyres. There is a strong case for having another look at the VAT and excise duties levied on fuel and other items used by the transport industry. It is easy to justify the need for a change.

There is no doubt that the opening of the Channel Tunnel will reduce transport costs of British hauliers. How do we propose to counter that? Do we erect a bridge or construct a tunnel? In my view we should use the existing ferry system and reduce the costs to our hauliers. We should make it attractive for such firms to locate here by reducing the VAT and excise duties that they must pay. If we do not, they will move out.

In response to a parliamentary question some time ago, I was given information about the level of start-ups or installation grants available to farmers here, in Britain and in the rest of Europe. I was surprised to learn that up to 40,000 ECUs are available to young French farmers for start-up or installation purposes. I admit that some European countries do not give their young farmers such assistance but we depend very heavily on the food industry, as the Minister of State opposite is aware. I accept that the French Government, because of their big industrial base, can afford to meet the cost of assisting young farmers but notwithstanding that we should bear in mind our dependance on agriculture. Our climate is ideal for the growing of crops and if we do not capitalise on our assets, particularly in the context of 1992, we will not gain anything from our membership of the community when all barriers and tariffs are removed. The Government should take a hard look at that. We have been told on many occasions that by 1992 all members of the Community will be treated equally, but I wonder if that will be the case because we are not receiving equal treatment at present.

Stamp duty on house property is causing serious difficulties for young couples. Up to now their savings of £3,000 or £4,000 was sufficient as a deposit on a house but that is no longer the position. When the legal fees and the stamp duty on second-hand houses are taken into account, bearing in mind the huge increase in prices, they require in the region of £10,000 as a deposit.

The last point I wish to make may not be relevant to the debate but it is important that I should raise it. In the contributions from the Government side I did not hear one word about our health services.

The Deputy has advertised that he is going to be out of order.

I have no doubt that my comment will prove to be in order. All Members at local authority estimates meetings or in debates on Finance Bills or budgets refer to the health services. As a member of a health board I can say that we are far from having an adequate health service. With each passing day we are getting further and further away from one. I ask Members on the Government side to support the unfortunate Minister for Health and try to loosen up the system. Otherwise we will shortly have to warn people of about 40 years of age that when they get old and are unable to work all their PRSI will be null and void, there will be no recognition of the payments made and they will be charged for everything. If a person gets a stroke, becomes immobile or incontinent the Government will not do anything to help them. I am sorry to have to say such a sad and harsh thing but I do so deliberately because, unless somebody urgently tackles this area in the very near future, we will not have a health service.

I listened with great interest to Deputy Durkan and I agree with his comments regarding aid to young farmers. However, I am sure he is mindful of the fact that the Government in their wisdom reinstituted installation grants for young farmers recently. It was a very welcome move which I am sure Deputy Durkan welcomed.

Before I speak on the Bill I should like to make a few comments on another matter. I am very disappointed that Deputy Rabbitte or some of his cohorts are not here tonight because some of his negative comments earlier in the day deserve a response. He spoke in very derogatory terms about the present Administration's efforts in regard to job creation and he talked about complacency but his remarks ring very hollow in view of my experience of Deputy Rabbitte and his party and their philosophy. They were the instrument of closing down firms in Cork and Longford and Veha in my own constituency of Wicklow. Deputy Rabbitte went in there like the pied piper. He was not leading rats, but human beings — along the road of commercial and industrial suicide. We had a thriving industry in Wicklow which, alas, went to the wall.

Veha were a thriving concern but they went to the wall because of the philosophy of The Workers' Party and Deputy Rabbitte. By virtue of his advice and tactics he led the workforce into suicidal activity and closed the firm which was the life blood of Wicklow town and its hinterland. That is the gentleman who today had the gall to talk in derogatory terms about the complacency of the Government in regard to job creation.

After Deputy Rabbitte was elected to this House, having closed down operations in Cork, Longford and Wicklow, he then tried to close Liberty Hall by putting a picket on it. The suicidal tendencies of the Deputy and his party are a malaise, a myxomatosis type of disease which consumes, destroys and decays all it touches. That has been our experience in Wicklow of Deputy Rabbitte and his party. Their philosophies and policies are outmoded and have proved to be inerable.

This Administration have been doing their utmost to create jobs. The industrial output has been magnificant over the past three years. However, nobody can explain why, although macro-economics are working extremely well, they do not result in job creation. I do not believe that anybody in the House can explain why this is so. I cannot although I have been in business all my life. I am totally frustrated in this regard and I cannot come to terms with the reasons for the failure to create jobs. The upward trend in the economy, the industrial output and the balance of trade have not resulted in job creation. We must address the problem to ensure that there is an improvement in this area.

Mr. Michael Smurfit is one of our most esteemed, experienced and successful businessmen. He spoke recently about the Minister for Finance and I should like to quote from The Irish Independent of Saturday, 7 April 1990. He said:

With the economy facing the combined problems of unemployment, emigration, high taxation levels and a large national debt, I welcome comments by the Minister for Finance, Albert Reynolds, who said recently that sustainable jobs could not be created by injecting State funds into the economy. How I wish the previous Ministers had shared the same views as Mr. Reynolds.... A more realistic method of tackling unemployment is for the Government to continue to control the public finances which had resulted in an air of quiet optimism returning to the country.

The aim of Fianna Fáil since they came into office has been to go along the road referred to by that entrepreneur par excellence, Michael Smurfit. When the Fianna Fáil Government under the leadership of the Taoiseach, Deputy Charles J. Haughey, came into office in 1987 they set about restoring the confidence that had been lacking in the despicable Administration which had been in office for the previous four and a half to five years. That Administration left us with a national debt with which we cannot cope, and rising emigration and unemployment, which is a plague on our nation at this time.

That Government set about improving these problems in a methodical way. As I have said in this Chamber before, the Taoiseach and his Administration took these problems by the scruff of the neck and slowly and methodically set about creating that air of confidence which is necessary if business, trade and commerce are to flourish. Trade is flourishing at present and the figures are there to prove it. I will not reiterate the figures referred to by many of my colleagues during their contributions. However as I have said, even though industrial output and the balance of trade have been increased jobs are not being created. This is a phenomenon and we will have to continue to tackle it.

This Administration have also addressed the service area, in particular tourism which is creating jobs. When the previous Government took office in 1987 they set a target of doubling the number of tourists coming to Ireland over a five year period — they are well on the way towards meeting this target even though we are only half way through that five year period — and Martin Dully was given that mandate. He has done an excellent job with the support of the Government.

The people in my constituency did not bother too much about tourism heretofore because they were doing very well in terms of the number of jobs being created by industry. As a result of a fall off in for example, the fertiliser and pottery industries the hungry fighter syndrome took over and the people in County Wicklow started developing the tourism potential as a result of the example set by this Administration whose efforts are paying dividends, creating jobs and they have given new hope to the county and to the country as a whole. The Minister for Tourism and Transport, Deputy Séamus Brennan, will visit County Wicklow next Friday to launch a new tourism company which is the brain child of Wicklow County Council.

Is he bringing any aircraft with him?

This will help to keep the graph going in the right direction so far as tourism and job creation are concerned. We can boast about our job creation activities in the tourism area in which we are all very interested.

The Minister for Finance has responsibility for the Office of Public Works and in recent times he referred to establishing a national park in County Wicklow which will take in the mountain plateau. The development of this park will give real prospects for job creation by expanding tourism and opening up to the world the beauty and assets in that area. This park will be of great significance in creating jobs in the future.

While the development of a national park in County Wicklow is welcomed by the people of that county, and the people of Dublin who live on the periphery area and it will be a playground for them, I want to point out that interests of the people who live within the confines and on the periphery of the national park will have to be made a priority. Any improvements to the park must not mean a disimprovement in their lifestyle or their plans for the future. A landowner who lives within the confines of the national park and worked his land for generations must not have his plans to build a house on the land interfered with. I do not want outside bodies such as Bord Fáilte or the Office of Public Works being able to object to legitimate planning permissions which have been granted by the local authority in their wisdom or otherwise. I can see signs that this is happening at present. I will be very vociferous in my opposition to any such interference by Bord Fáilte or the Office of Public Works though interference is welcome within the context of tourism thrust, national and international progress in this area.

The building industry has been referred to by a number of speakers on the far side of the House and the word "booming" was used on more than one occasion.

Debate adjourned.
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