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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 1 May 1990

Vol. 398 No. 1

Private Members' Business. - Protection of Part-Time Workers (Employment) (No. 2) Bill 1989: Second Stage (Resumed).

Question again proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

When we were last debating the Bill I suggested that it was a little like The Workers' Party, superficially attractive, but fundamentally unacceptable on closer inspection. The Bill, I suggested, was a popular but shallow attempt to address a serious problem; again a little bit like The Workers' Party — a populous party but quite fundamentally flawed. I said that the Bill had the potential to do more harm than good and attempted to do too much without really addressing any issue. The social welfare elements in the Bill should be more appropriately dealt with in social welfare legislation. As I pointed out, the Minister for Labour, Deputy Bertie Ahern, had already initiated the procedure to bring before this House a Bill which would bring about fundamental changes in labour law so far as it affects the plight of part-time workers.

I said also that I regarded the protection of part-time workers in law as a topic requiring very serious consideration at this stage. I acknowledged that there was a growing trend in part-time and atypical work. Amidst a plethora of helpful interruptions, I referred to latest survey figures in this regard. This survey shows that 72,000 people are involved in regular part-time work and 15,000 plus are engaged in part-time or atypical work on an irregular basis; 50,000 of those 72,000 people are women and in excess of 60 per cent — probably 62 per cent — of the women engaged in part-time employment are married.

The reason I gave those statistics was to point out that in many cases part-time work is not enforced and many people choose part-time work because it suits their domestic arrangements or needs. I accept that in other cases part-time work is enforced and very often young people and women who want to get full-time work cannot get it. Notwithstanding that, we have to bear in mind that part-time work is frequently a desired mode. I make this point because I believe it is worth keeping it in front of us when we discuss this issue.

When we are casting legislation in this area we must be careful to ensure that what we are proposing will be in no way counterproductive. We should at no time produce legislation which will interfere with the work pattern a worker finds attractive for whatever reasons. This is not the aim of the Bill before us but it could potentially have that impact.

In recognising the need to approach this problem in a constructive way and the vital need to stamp out exploitation without damaging the interests of the part-time workers, the Minister for Labour has initiated a series of steps which I believe are the most logical approach to the problem. Twelve months ago he held a seminar on this issue which involved the Federation of Irish Employers and the Irish Congress of Trade Unions. The Minister in his speech on this Bill stressed that his aim, through consensus and consultation, was to bring before this House in the very near future legislation to which we could all subscribe. The Workers' Party Bill is worthy of discussion and I am glad they have put it on the agenda but lest they claim credit for doing anything, I want to point out that the Minister for Labour was there before them, he will be there after them and he will produce——

Promises, promises.

I thought the Deputy would have been struck dumb given——

I must now call another speaker.

Being struck dumb is something that will never affect the Deputy.

The Minister has already promised — and he will fulfil that promise, unlike The Workers' Party — to bring legislation before this House which will operate as a charter for all part-time workers.

Like other Members, I welcome the introduction of this Bill by The Workers' Party which deals with an issue that has been ignored for too long. Even though this Bill will not be implemented into law I take very seriously, as I am sure we all do, the commitment given by the Minister for Labour, Deputy Bertie Ahern, that he has gone a long way in drafting legislation in this area. I believe all of us in this House including the Minister, will be very disappointed if this legislation is not introduced this session. The Minister said that a Bill dealing with part-time workers would be introduced after the Bill on industrial relations. Both Bills are interlinked and deal not only with the protection of workers but recognise the value of workers and the contribution they make to their place of work, industry and society as a whole. I hope these two long awaited Bills will be introduced and enacted before the end of this session.

It is appropriate that we should be resuming this debate on May Day which celebrates the setting up of protections and organisations to help prevent the exploitation of workers. Nobody in this House can deny that legislation on the protection of part-time workers is long overdue. The Minister, in his introductory remarks, and Deputy Rabbitte gave the numbers of workers involved in part-time employment. Deputy Rabbitte particularly recited to our horror what many of us suspected when he quoted some of the contracts drawn up under which contract and part-time workers had to sign and adapt even to obtain the badly-paid totally unprotected work they were offered in accordance with such contracts. It would seem to have been a reflection of Victorian times, of times perhaps two centuries ago, when that was the type of contract that could be demanded of part-time workers by their employers. As a Legislature we have been very lax in that only now are we endeavouring to bring some kind of order or introduce some structure, some type of legal protection for those workers so long exploited.

I echo the sentiments expressed by other speakers on both sides of the House. Like most other things in life, there is a negative and positive side to this matter also. Many of us recognise that for many years, part-time work, particularly as of now — is a necessity, comprises the only type of work in which some people are allowed engage because it is the only type available to them or, as in the case of women, is the only type their other demands allow. That is the negative side to which I will revert.

On the positive side — and I should like to believe that we could build on this as constituting the most positive aspect of the future, changing structures of work — the whole concept of work as we knew it, that is long-term, life-long, pensionable, the concept of a person being tied into one job for the sake of security alone, has become redundant in every sense of the word. Tragically it has become redundant in practical terms in relation to male bread winners and a high proportion of women as well who, though society did not recognise the fact, were main or comparable bread winners, being equal contributors to the family income.

Because traditional industry has been overtaken by technology, because of the flexibility employees and some employers now prefer within the workplace, part-time work has become a reality, not merely to be perceived as some type of addition or tag to work — with a capital "W"— but one that carries its rightful status and/or value, particularly when we talk about affording it quality and value which may be more acceptable than the type of work that tied people down from youth to old age without any opportunity of cessation. The whole of the work ethic as we knew it, particularly with regard to male bread winners was not Utopian and extracted a huge price. The fact that men die earlier than women may not be due to any biological or evolutionary trait. Rather I believe it to have been attributable to the exacting, killing demands made of males in the past, in or out of work.

We must re-examine what was formerly known as the work ethic, its values but, more importantly, its disadvantages. In looking positively at part-time work we see from the figures available to me and to other Members, that not alone is it a reality of life and will continue to increase according to projections but that from a human, contributory quality of life aspect, it may well constitute the type of work in which all of us, men and women, should engage in the future. One of the difficulties in considering this matter is that work has been defined as constituting only that that reaps financial reward, that all the informal, unpaid, community, contributory and voluntary work, unfortunately, does not have an equivalent value. It would be my hope that, in our changing perceptions and definitions of work, we might at long last put a value or status on what is as of now the informal, contributory or voluntary work comprising far more in terms of society, more time, hours and sometimes more sacrifice than what is called formal work, the paid, high status-type work.

We must remember that that high status value work gave rise to demarcations, discrimination, divisions and dislocation of people. Work was not built around or for people; people had to adapt to it. Therefore, in looking positively at the whole concept of work in the future, particularly part-time work — which is why this debate is so very important — we must recognise that the hours, months, years, length and value of work will be dramatically redefined and changed. I say that first because we represent a generation that has suffered vast unemployment, huge changes in the concept of what constitutes a decent, secure job but, more than anything else, the overwhelming changes wrought by technology which have reduced to such an amazing degree the hours and days of repetitive, conveyor belt-type work in which many people were engaged. Let us hope we can control that technology which is overwhelming us.

Apart from the protections and values built into the provisions of this Bill it would be my hope that they would also take account of the fact that part-time work may well constitute the work of the future. Technology has led to the huge problem at present being experienced of vast numbers of people being made redundant, being relieved of jobs which formerly formed the foundation of their lives, converting them to people who — within the old definition of work — cannot look forward to any job within their lifetime. Indeed there have been many people who gave up their jobs, such as women who returned to the home who have not a hope of being re-employed, particularly in Irish terms, unless we redistribute work, leading to the leisure, choices and control we would have over our lives if we distributed what may now be described as part-time work. Rather than striving to have one bread winner, one income-earner with a whole family unit dependent on him or her — and all the pressures brought to bear on that person — we should strive to bring about a household income with a number of people employed, both parents and, as the children grew older, in part-time, flexible work yielding an income that would maintain that household in dignity, affording them a standard of living above that which one income-earner could guarantee.

I must stress the importance of distributing such work, employing the talents, training and investment that the State makes in everybody in the course of their early education, and training thereafter. It is the most incredible wastage that we invest, as is right, such a large amount of our budget in training our young people, enabling them to work and be financially independent, and then, because of the ruthless, unfair and unjust way in which we distribute and divide work at present, we do not afford those people the same opportunity of work as others. The real waste occurs at national level, that we do not devise, define and structure our work to allow those, at present excluded from work opportunity, to reap a proportion of that work by redefining what constitutes part-time, flexible work. Unfortunately, up to now, to the detriment of those who have taken career breaks, opted for job sharing or other part-time work, it has not been rewarded or encouraged in the way I and others would like. In fact, there is a price to be paid. I hope the discussion on this Bill introduced by The Workers' Party and on the Bill to be introduced by the Minister this session, will look at this matter in a wider context. Part-time work must be seen as an exciting, innovative and original way of distributing work more fairly.

I always wish to stress the positive side first and have decided that that is my vision of the future. Now I must get back to reality. The issue being tackled in this Bill, and the type of work I have been just speaking about unfortunately, is neither encouraged nor rewarded. Given the increase in part-time work with its advantages for employers it is a scandal that it has not been revalued but rather it has been used in an attempt to keep people, mainly women, in positions where they can be exploited, blackmailed and denied the requisite number of hours work required to receive the most basic entitlements in any civilized country, such as holiday pay, sick pay, maternity leave and the right to a contract which would guarantee them the right to return to work if for some reason they have to leave. These people are denied these entitlements provided under employment legislation. These entitlements were hard won and ought to be given to those who give their time and talents.

As has been pointed out time and again, the large number of women in part-time employment do not like being exploited, excluded, marginalised or deprived of basic rights, but society demanded that this would be the only type of work available to them. I have heard Members, particularly on the other side, say during this debate that part-time work suits women. Let me point out that part-time work does not suit women any more than it suits men but as in so many other areas, it is the only type of work available to them.

I am very concerned that the discussion on this Bill seems to accept that we must tailor it to meet the needs of women. That amounts to discrimination. Unless we make all Members aware when speaking about part-time work that we are talking about work suitable for both men and women it will continue to be used as a cul de sac in which women will be trapped.

Why does part-time work suit women? Given what has been said by Members and the desperate situations outlined by Deputy Rabbitte and the Minister, Deputy Ahern, why should anyone want to take up part-time work? It seems part-time workers need this Bill and all the other legislation and protections we can give them. That that argument should be made at all is an indication of the kind of work many people feel women deserve. When talking about part-time work we as legislators must stress that it equally suits men. One of the problems we face is that it seems to be the only type of work open to women because of the poor standards that obtain. Instead of being seen as valuable work which allows people to follow other pursuits it is recognised as an area where people are exploited. That is what this Bill and other legislation must address and attempt to change.

Unfortunately, the other legislation which must be taken with this Bill will not be introduced this session but there is no point talking about equality of opportunity to enable men and women to make choices between part-time work, job sharing and all other types of work, unless we decide to introduce legislation to provide child care facilities. Not alone are we denying women the resources necessary to provide child care facilities, but there is a responsibility on us, as legislators, to insist that child care facilities be provided in places of employment. As long as we see the provision of child care facilities as somebody else's responsibility and say part-time work suits women, we will continue to tell women that it is their responsibility to do this work. In addition to protecting part-time workers we must ensure that those who wish to work other than part-time, men and women but particularly women, have the opportunity to do so. We must ensure also that the legislation we enact is attractive and positive enough to encourage men, as parents, to take advantage of it.

I spoke about the philosophy of part-time work and what this Bill, which is very welcome, must take into consideration. I will keep the more definite recommendations and amendments in regard to part-time work until Committee Stage. I am sorry that this Bill is not leading immediately to a Committee Stage where we could do that. We all realise that this legislation is overdue if we are to even talk about equality of opportunity.

I would like to believe that what Deputy Rabbitte said about the scandalous lack of protection and treatment of contract workers will bring home to people who heard it that not alone does that affect part-time workers, because of the low value given to their work and the lack of protection, but that it has a far deeper psychological effect because they are trapped in this type of work at the behest of employers who are ripping them off. Is it any wonder that many workers in this country have a low self-esteem when the only work they are allowed to have is work where they are exploited, badly paid and totally unprotected? Those workers who have had the courage to stand up and say that they are not taking this any longer have been told that a bus will go out to a disadvantaged area to collect another group of women or young people who will come in and gladly do the job. We, as legislators, should not allow employers to work at that level. We cannot claim to have any dignity or status or justice in this State as long as we, as legislators, allow that kind of exploitation to the extent that the blackmail is that, if they are not willing to work in such conditions with all the low self-esteem and all the exploitation and hard work that takes, there are many more out there who will. If we allow this we are failing. This legislation is most urgent to make people believe that when we talk of work and the value of work that we are granting all our workers the same rights that people have died trying to achieve. We quote figures in Europe to show the increasing number of part-time workers we have. We should be ashamed to acknowledge the increasing number of part-time workers we have at European level until we ensure that we have legislation with protections built in to give those workers what they deserve, particularly if we see part-time working as a positive aspect and part and parcel of employment for the future.

With the permission of the House I propose to share my time with Deputies Callely and Martin.

Part-time work is a growing feature of employment in Ireland. The proportion of all regular jobs which are part-time more than doubled to 7.8 per cent between 1979 and 1988, and is continuing to increase, especially in the service industries. The total number of regular part-time workers was 72,000 in 1988.

Married women and young people constitute a high and increasing proportion of those who work part-time. Many married women choose part-time work for family reasons. It is important that this option be available to them and that they do not lose out in the social security and labour protection available to workers generally. For many young single people part-time work is becoming the norm as employers, particularly in the service industries, extend this form of employment.

There is a danger that some employers may take on staff on a part-time basis in order to avoid the legal and financial responsibilities of employing full-time staff and paying full PRSI contributions. While part-time work may suit some employees particularly well and facilitate business, I am not prepared to accept a situation in which the social welfare system is used by unscrupulous employers to exploit vulnerable workers.

In line with the commitment in our Programme for Government, I have already begun a review of the insurability of part-time workers. I have also asked the National Pensions Board to report to me on the complex question of pension cover for part-time workers. I expect the results of these reviews by late summer. I will then prepare comprehensive proposals for the social protection of part-time workers.

The present Bill takes no account of the complexity of the issues involved in providing social and labour protection for part-time employees. It is too simplistic. It proposes no minimum criteria. It gives the same protection to someone working an occassional few hours here and there as it does to a regular part-time worker, who may be dependent on these earnings. Furthermore, changing the definition of employment as proposed in this Bill would remove entirely the present definition (18 hours) while failing to replace it with any hourly or financial minimum. This would have major "knock-on" implications for social insurance and for the workforce as a whole. These critical issues are not dealt with at all in this Bill. They will be dealt with comprehensively in the Government's proposals.

Bring in amendments.

As Minister for Social Welfare I have been conscious for some time of the growth in part-time employment and the need to ensure adequate protection for part-time workers both in labour law and in the social welfare code. A study undertaken last year for the National Pensions Board showed that, although the proportion of workers who are part-time in Ireland is low by international standards — in 1987, 6.2 per cent of Irish workers were in part-time employment compared to 12 per cent in the European Community generally — this form of work has been growing steadily in recent years. If one compares Ireland with other countries the number is quite low. That form of working has developed much more rapidly in other countries. This is the trend we can expect and it is particularly important that we provide the protection that is needed.

The most significant change has been the increase in the number of regular part-time workers as distinct from occasional part-time workers. The proportion of all regular jobs which were part-time almost doubled from 3.2 per cent in 1979 to 6 per cent in 1987 and 7.8 per cent in 1988. Over the same period, the number of people in occasional part-time employment fell by 42 per cent. This increase in regular part-time work indicates a greater permanence of this type of work as employers substitute regular for seasonal and occasional employment. For example, in "commerce and professional services" the number of seasonal part-time workers declined from 6,700 to 5,200 between 1979 and 1987 while regular part-timers increased from 12,400 to 32,600 over the same period.

There are a number of reasons for the growth in part-time employment. The expansion of the services sector, where part-time working is prevalent, is a major factor. Part-time work also offers flexibility for both employers and employees. Many women employees, in particular, welcome the opportunity to take up part-time work. Labour Force Survey data indicate that two-thirds of women part-time workers voluntarily chose this form of work. The main reason given was family commitments.

I will refer briefly to what Deputy Barnes has said in this regard. I take it that other Deputies were referring also to the reality that exists as indicated in the labour force survey in which women themselves gave family commitments as the main reason they needed or wanted that type of work.

They had no choice.

As the Deputy has said, it may have been all that was open to them but they needed that form of employment. However, this does not necessarily mean that men will not need this form of employment so in terms of the future we have to think in this respect of both men and women. I agree that the measures must provide for both men and women. Both must have options and that will be the situation in future. I presume that the Deputies were looking at the same data, the same labour force survey, in which that was the situation. This is indicative of future trends, that more people will want those kinds of choices, atypical types of work and not just part-time or regular part-time work and they will have to be provided for. It is likely that part-time work will continue to grow, as the factors stimulating it, such as the growth in the services and the increased participation of women in the labour force are likely to continue in the short to medium term. Given the likely growth of this form of employment we must consider how we, as legislators, can best protect the position of these employees. It is our duty to provide safeguards to prevent the exploitation of part-time employees by unscrupulous employers. At the same time, we need to ensure that opportunities for increased part-time work, valued by both employees and employers, are not choked off by over-regulation. Finding the correct balance between these two objectives is not an easy task. It requires careful consideration to tease out the complex issues involved. Deputy Barnes has indicated some of the other elements that need to be taken into account: the family, the future roles of both men and women in relation to the family and their needs will have to be considered. Perhaps I can best illustrate the complex problems involved in protecting part-time workers by referring to some of the difficulties which arise in relation to social insurance cover.

At present, people working fewer than 18 hours per week are excluded from full social insurance unless they are mainly dependent on these earnings. This is because social insurance benefits, such as unemployment and disability benefit, are designed to replace the income of people who would otherwise be in employment but for these contingencies. Some part-time workers work for very few hours, and the extension of cover for benefits to such employees on the same basis as full-time employees would be difficult to justify. Furthermore, in some cases, the contributions paid would be minimal and the cost to the social insurance fund would be substantial. So, some threshold for entry into insurance must be preserved. I am at present examining the possibility of changing the existing criteria for insurability in order to give better protection to part-time workers while, at the same time, ensuring that benefits are based on a reasonable level of contributions. This might be done by reducing the 18 hours required, or by moving away from an "hours worked" criterion towards a different system, perhaps one based on earnings, or on a combination of both. There are various possibilities but they have huge implications on social insurance. The latter would involve a major policy change in the system and needs careful examination.

In reviewing the insurance of part-time workers I am conscious that such insurance involves paying contributions as well as getting benefits. If social insurance is extended to all, some employees, particularly those whose work is of an occasional nature, might find themselves paying full PRSI contributions but getting little or no benefit.

All of these factors, as well as other technical anomalies, are being studied as part of my review of the insurance of part-time workers. In addition, I have specifically asked the National Pensions Board to examine the question of pension entitlements of part-time workers. I expect that they will report by the end of the summer and I look forward to receiving their advice.

While the insurability of part-time workers is a major issue, it is not the only area where the social welfare system has an impact on part-time work. I would now like to turn to some of the other areas.

I am conscious of the particular value of part-time work as a stepping stone from unemployment to full-time work. I have taken steps to ensure that the unemployment payments system facilitates this process, by introducing the part-time job incentive scheme. This scheme allows certain long-term unemployed people to take up a part-time job and receive a special income supplement. This income supplement, £30 per week for a single person and £50 for a married person with an adult dependant, is not affected by earnings from the part-time job. Furthermore, people on the scheme can get credited PRSI contributions in order to preserve their future entitlement to benefits.

During recent debates in this House, Deputies referred to the fact that people who have earnings of more than £50 per week are not regarded as adult dependants for the purpose of their spouse's social welfare payments. Part-time workers, specially married women who work part-time, are particularly affected by this ruling. I am pleased to say that I have raised this limit to £55, with effect from 1 June. I know from representations made to me that this will improve the position of low paid and part-time workers, who can now receive modest wage increases without the loss of social welfare entitlements.

These measures to help part-time workers are just a beginning. Much remains to be done. I will be bringing forward proposals in relation to social insurance when my review is complete. In relation to labour legislation, my colleague, the Minister for Labour, has already indicated his intention to bring forward proposals later this year. Complex problems need careful study before lasting solutions are achieved. I urge the House, therefore, to await the detailed and balanced package which the Government will be presenting later, rather than adopting the more simplistic approach of the Bill now before us.

A Leas-Cheann Comhairle, it is my intention to share my time with my colleague, Deputy Micheál Martin.

You will have ten minutes, Deputy, and your colleague, Deputy Martin will have ten minutes.

I welcome the opportunity to participate in this debate with regard to part-time workers. No one doubts that there is a need for legislation in this area, as the previous speaker across the floor has indicated. We as legislators should provide that legislation to protect part-time workers, especially in the light of the various figures and reports of growth in the part-time workforce. There has been an increase of 83 per cent in the number of regular part-time workers, from 39,400 in 1977 to 72,000 in 1988. One would question why there has been such a large increase in the part-time workforce. In the years 1977 to 1987, economic growth had its own consequences on employment and the type of employment that was available, whether full, part-time or casual. At present there are over 200,000 people on the live register, many of whom would opt for part-time work if it was available. Maybe that is why we talk of the figure of approximately 72,000 people in the part-time work category. In the whole area of part-time work, we are talking about part-time work, casual work, part-time work on a full-time basis and so on. There has been a change in the market in relation to employment, consumer demands, labour relations and so on.

One could be boggle-eyed at the very large numbers of people in the part-time category. This highlights the importance of having legislation for this area. Most previous speakers have opted for the line that if there is no legislation there will be abuse and exploitation, and that may be so. However, I think most people who have participated in the debate have referred to the report by John Blackwell as it relates to part-time work. It is interesting to note that he states that part-time work can be a way of entering the labour market and can also provide an opportunity to combine work with study for the younger age bracket. He goes on to say that for some older workers the option of part-time work can be a way of easing the transition to retirement and that is recognised. The Blackwell report adequately covers the area of part-time work and highlights a basis for policy making.

This moment should not pass without recognising the efforts of the present Minister for Labour and the work that he and the Government have endeavoured to do since coming to office in 1987. He has made strides in four major areas. First, in the area of manpower he established FÁS in January 1988 as a dynamic and comprehensive body to give priority to the needs of those most disadvantaged, particularly the long-term unemployed and the early school leavers. Jointly with the Minister for Education he launched the Youthreach programme for early school leavers who could not get jobs. He established a much needed advisory committee on management training which highlighted the disturbing gaps in the present level of management development. As chairman of the ministerial committee on employment, he has already launched a major package of measures on job creation, and extra help to the disadvantaged is also due shortly.

Secondly, in the area of labour legislation he piloted the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Bill through this House. For the first time this provides statutory protection for everybody at work rather than merely 20 per cent of workers. It lays great emphasis on prevention of accidents and ill health. The Minister is also developing proposals for amending legislation on the payment of wages, unfair dismissals, employment equality and part-time working and is reviewing the out-dated legislation on working hours.

Thirdly, on industrial relations, the Minister has introduced the Industrial Relations Bill, 1989, the Committee Stage of which will be debated in this House tomorrow. He piloted the Workers Participation (State Enterprises) Bill, 1988, through this House. Finally, as President of the Social Affairs Council he supported the development of a social charter and has emphasised the urgency of its implementation in tandem with the development of a single market. He hopes to succeed in getting Community support for putting long-term employment back at the top of the political agenda. I think all the Members of this House recognise the efforts of the Minister for Labour, Deputy Bertie Ahern, in what he is doing.

Everybody.

I am delighted to hear that.

Not since Fionn Mac Cumhaill was there such a man.

To quickly summarise, I believe we have a Minister who is going in the right direction and I am pleased to note that Deputy Rabbitte agrees with that. He is making the right policy and legislation decisions.

It is the pace that concerns me.

We know the direction in which the Minister is heading. We know he has contacted the social partners in bringing a Bill before this House that will cover the very complex, complicated, and detailed matters that need to be addressed when dealing with part-time workers. Unfortunately I cannot support Deputy Rabbitte's Bill because it is not a simple matter to be addressed by the Bill before the House; it is a very complex matter and we should deal with it adequately.

I welcome the opportunity of speaking on the issue of part-time workers. There is no doubt, as previous speakers have said, that there has been an incredible increase in the number of part-time workers in the employment market and consequently there has been a reduction in protection for many workers. There is an obvious need for corrective action to be taken to prevent the exploitation that is taking place in the labour market at present by unscrupulous employers who employ people on a part-time basis to avoid the expenditure that would be incurred with full-time employment.

Two questions arise: first, the question of protection and, secondly, the question of whether part-time work is acting as a substitute for full-time work. There appears to be evidence to suggest that part-time work is acting as a substitute for full-time work right across the board. The Government's approach is not a simplistic one. This is not a simple issue because there are major changes in the trends of employment in the economy today. The old traditional smoke stack industries of the fifties and sixties industrial age have long since gone and have been replaced by jobs in the technological services sectors. Indeed right across western Europe, Japan and America the services sector accounts for the greater number of jobs in those economies.

With the growth in the services sector and, in particular, the growth in the tourist sector we have seen a consequent increase in part-time work. The whole area of tourism and services require a co-ordinated comprehensive approach from Government on the taxation side, on the labour force side and on the social welfare side and need a combination of proposals. I was glad to see the Minister for Social Welfare entering the debate tonight to give his side of the argument. It is appropriate that the Minister for Labour and the Minister for Social Welfare should approach this issue in tandem because there are implications for the social welfare code and system as, indeed, there are for employment legislation. The services sector is one we need to tackle and the tourist industry is one that needs a governmental approach because the tourism, hotel and restaurant area is not satisfactory at present. First, we have a shortage of skilled employees for that industry and, second, the terms and conditions of employment in that industry leave much to be desired in terms of working hours, pay, benefits, protection and so on.

If we are to pin our hopes on the tourism industry and on the services sector as growing industries we need to take a co-ordinated, purposeful approach to employment in that sector. I think the Minister intends to do that. In consultation with ICTU and the FIE he has discussed the whole issue of part-time work and has tried to arrive at a consensus approach. There is no doubt that there is a wide divergence of opinion from the trade union side to the employer side; the employers want to maintain a certain degree of flexibility on the employment market and the trade unions want to provide as great a degree of protection as possible for the workers. That is desirable but there would be little point in bringing blanket proposals if there was not some co-operation from the employment side because legislation on its own will not solve the problem. There has to be a degree of agreement from both the employment aside and the trade union side, otherwise new legislation could simply mean a new black economy emerging and that has to be protected against. The proposals that come forward must be well researched and well prepared and there must be no possibility of loopholes.

Over regulation in itself could lead to a reduction in job opportunities for people who might want to work only part-time. No doubt there is a certain sector of the labour force who still want to work part-time as it suits their circumstances. Above all we must avoid the emergence of a dual labour market with different classes of employees. It is everyone's concern that employees, be they part-time or full-time, would have the benefits of social welfare entitlements to PRSI, annual leave, maternity leave and so on, the benefits of all the protections which the full-time employee has.

The current protective legislation is obviously inadequate. The Minister is well aware of that so we should await the more comprehensive Bill which will come from the Minister for Labour rather than press ahead in a precipitative fashion with The Workers' Party Bill. The Bill is defective in many respects, as the Minister has pointed out. For instance, it is defective in that it makes no provisions for its possible effects on the social welfare system. Something which brought this issue home to me was that in a major retail development in the country, the Dunnes Stores shopping centre at Douglas, Cork, only eight or nine of the hundreds of employees were full-time. That is a very bleak picture in many respects and underlines the necessity for action on this front. There is little point in having major retail developments and inner city developments, welcome as they are in terms of investment and so on, if at the end of the day they do not improve the quality of life for the vast majority of people living around them. In conclusion, we await the Minister's Bill with considerable interest.

Ba mhaith liom beagánín de mo chuid ama a thabhairt ar dtús don Teachta Garland má aontaítear leis sin.

Is that agreed? Agreed.

Does the contract specify any particular length of time?

Five minutes.

I will try to keep to that. I would like to express my disappointment with the Minister's attitude to this Bill. It is a very good Bill. It is a pity it could not be given a Second Reading after which any desirable amendments could be put down. However, I am afraid this is the way the adversarial politics work in this House. It is something I will have to get used to.

The Green Party, Comhaontas Glas, support this Bill because we recognise that the present situation is a form of apartheid. Full-time workers are like the whites in South Africa, they have all the rights while the unemployed are treated like the blacks, they have no rights at all. Part-time workers come somewhere in between like, perhaps, the coloureds. Part-time workers should have the same basic rights and protection as full timers. The Green Party support the concept of part-time work because we believe that full-time work tends to interfere with the opportunities for full human development. It is also bad for family life. If both parents are working who is to look after the children? The pressure of the jobs-for-all syndrome means that the environment is put under serious pressure since there is often a conflict between job creation and ecological values. This was seen clearly in Cork with the pressure to establish inappropriate chemical industries on the basis that they would allegedly improve overall employment.

There is a serious imbalance in society between full-time workers on the one hand and part-timers and the unemployed on the other. Both management and the unions are to blame for this state of affairs since both accept full-time employment as the ideal and the norm even though there is not a snowball's chance in hell of that ever being realised. The main reason is, of course, the development of new technology which makes it less attractive to employ labour in the productive process. We in the Green Party urge unions to press for work sharing and reduce working hours in the interests of both workers and the unemployed alike. After all, reduced working hours is an old working-class demand which has been forgotten about since the unions decided to put themselves squarely behind the work ethic.

The Green Party, want a society in which work will be shared out much more equally. They also want a much more equitable sharing out of wealth in the form of basic income. It may be that in such a society there would be less need for legal and bureaucratic protection for workers since work would no longer be the main source of income. The labour market would be freed from many of the constraints that cripple it at present but until that day comes, however, part-time workers should have as much protection as full-time workers. We are, however, concerned that in a transitional period part-time workers might be even more vulnerable since management might find excuses to get rid of people whose rights were about to be strengthened. This is an issue about which trade unions in particular should be concerned. Unions need to take on board the rights of the whole community rather than the rights of full-time workers since the exercise of these rights often conflict with the rights of those who do not enjoy the privilege of full-time employment.

I do not think that the analogy with South Africa used by Deputy Garland is appropriate because far from being the adversaries of part-time workers, in my experience whatever limited gains have been made by part-time workers, certainly in organised employment, have been made with the active support of their full-time colleagues. The most recent example of that is probably the case of part-time teachers where it was their full-time colleagues, by and large, who championed their case through the Teachers Union of Ireland and who managed to extract, admittedly over a fairly long period, some concessions regarding employment conditions for the part-time teachers.

The Bill we are debating, which has been proposed by The Workers' Party, concerns workers, and specifically women. There are approximately 90,000 part-time workers in this State, 70 per cent of whom are women and two-thirds are married. There used to be an attitude in this country that women working part-time, and especially married women, were earning pin money. It was seen as a little extra to the stable, and usually male earned, family income. This is no longer the case. For most people now working part-time, male or female, their earnings are essential to the family budget. Part-time work is the essential life raft that prevents many families from drowning in poverty. For 90,000 people and their families it is a big, exploited and largely unorganised area. There are more people in this employment than in the commercial semi-State sector and three times the number of civil servants and twice the number of teachers. This is a body which is growing. The number of part-time workers has doubled in the past decade.

The study carried out by John Blackwell shows that the proportion of part-time workers in Ireland is about half The EC average. As the process of EC monetary and economic union continues we can expect the number of part-time workers to increase to EC levels. Soon there will be more part-time workers in this State than there are farmers and if they were organised we would not have to wait so long for legislation to protect their rights.

Every Member has come across cases where part-time workers are exploited. In proposing this Bill my colleague, Deputy Rabbitte, gave several examples of employers paying low wages and deliberately avoiding the 18-hour threshold which would qualify these workers for legal entitlements. The 18-hour rule has an interesting anti-woman history. It first appeared in the 1967 Redundancy Payments Act and was purposely included in that Act so that the married women who were working part-time would not qualify for redundancy payments. Indeed, the Oireachtas debates of that time are very illuminating with regard to the attitude of Members of the Oireachtas towards the status of women in society, particularly in the workplace; as Member after Member explained to this House and the other House how unacceptable it would be if married women in employment were to qualify for redundancy payments and how unreasonable it would be to expect employers to have to pay redundancy payments to women. The 18-hour rule belongs to an age when it was assumed that married women did not work and when women in the public service had to resign from their employment when they married.

Of course, in those days denying married women the right to work was justified by the alleged concern for women, that they had a special and constitutionally guaranteed role in the home. I find it remarkable that we hear so little concern these days for the homemaker who has to go out to work for no more then £49.50 per week — it will be now £54.50 per week — in order to put food on her family's table, a woman who has not had a pay increase in years in case her husband loses social welfare payments, a woman who is denied the right to holiday pay, maternity leave, sick pay, minimum notice in terms of employment and protection against unfair dismissal, etc. The 18-hour rule, introduced in 1967 to satisfy employers that they would not have to pay redundancy to a married woman, has become the threshold in more modern and progressive legislation. It is time for it to go and for all workers to enjoy the same basic rights in proportion to the time they work. The need for part-time workers to be protected by law is well recognised. It is enshrined in the Programme for National Recovery. The Minister says he wants to do it, but he behaves like the sinner contemplating death: “Not yet, Lord, not yet”.

Why do the Government not accept this Bill? In his reply on 27 March the Minister for Labour gave a number of reasons and I would now like to deal with them to show how shallow they are and to expose the Minister for Labour, who likes to be considered the worker's friend but who is siding with employers in the exploitation of part-time workers.

First, the Minister says he will bring in his own Bill on part-time workers. Where is it? Last week the Government's legislative programme for this session was published. It lists 19 Bills the Government hope to have debated this session; it lists a further 12 Bills which are described as being at an advanced stage of drafting, but a Government Bill on part-time workers is not listed. The weekend before The Workers' Party's Bill was proposed the Minister made a public announcement that he intended to introduce his own Bill. Is it now clear that this was nothing more than a shabby attempt at political one-upmanship. Considering the rate at which legislation crawls through the Oireachtas, it will be at least two years before a Government Bill on part-time workers is enacted, even if it were No. 32 on the legislation chart.

Almost six months ago we had a similar response from the Government on the Fine Gael Environment Protection Agency Bill. We were then promised Government legislation. We are still waiting for the Bill to be circulated. The Minister has the opportunity now to do something to protect part-time workers. He can withdraw his opposition to this Bill, allow it to go through Second Stage and amend it as he sees fit on Commimtte Stage. Indeed, the Government would obviously have sufficient numbers to carry any such amendments.

The Minister's second stated reason for opposing this Bill is that he wants to have more consultation. What for? He knows the extent and nature of the problem. John Blackwell's paper spells it out. He knows the views of the social partners. They were articulated at a seminar held months ago which the Minister himself organised "to speed up my efforts to reconcile divergent views on the matter". He knows that in many respects the approaches being taken by employers and trade unions on this issue are fundamentally different.

At the seminar 12 months ago Peter Cassells of the ICTU said legislation was needed urgently and listed five reasons why this was so. While Mr. John Dunne of the FIE did not explicitly state that he was opposed to legislation, that conclusion can clearly be drawn from his presentation in which he denied that part-time employment was uncontrolled and argued that employers already had to cope with too much legislation and he suggested that further legislation could lead to what he called some unpleasant results.

The Minister has to make up his own mind on this. Is he for legislative protection for part-time workers or not? By continuing to delay bringing in legislation he is coming down firmly on the side of employer organisations who expect that some day there will be legislation but whose strategy is to postpone the day for as long as possible. Therefore, by taking the side of the employer organisations on this, the Minister is wrecking the spirit of partnership enshrined in the Programme for National Recovery. That does not argur well for the prospect for a new programme for national recovery.

The Minister's third stated reason is that the EC Commission will publish a draft directive on atypical work in May-June of this year. I share his hope, but an EC Draft Directive, far from promoting legislation in Ireland, may in fact delay it. In 1982 the Commission published a draft directive on voluntary part-time work, but the British Government objected to it and it was never agreed. Nothing has changed, not yet anyway, to suggest that a new directive will meet with more enthusiasm from the princess of deregulation.

Even if the Welshman succeeds to Downing Street in the next couple of years, it could take years for the draft directive to get through the European legislative labyrinth and then it could be another few years before an Irish Government comply with it. When the Minister says he is waiting for the EC Directive, I hear the message — there will be no legislation on part-time workers until the EC forces the Government to do it, and we could be approaching the end of the century before that occurs.

Of course, the Minister will say it is prudent to await the EC position before moving on legislation, but surely he can anticipate it. He is the President of the Council of Ministers. He knows the objectives set out in the Social Charter. The Government have declared themselves in support of the Charter.

I recently attended a meeting of the Oireachtas Joint Committee on EC Secondary Legislation to which a delegation from the ICTU were making a presentation and when asked to identify the area of the Social Charter which they felt should be given first priority for legislation here they answered, without hesitation, legislation to protect the rights of atypical workers. We do not need to wait for the EC. We can anticipate indeed from the 1982 Draft Directive what will be contained in the new directive and we can give a lead for a change. The Government's rejection of this Bill is flying in the face of the Social Charter.

The Minister's fourth excuse is that the workforce must be flexible. Of course, it must. There is no argument about that. The Workers' Party understand the economic, commercial and, indeed, social reasons for the growth in atypical working. Indeed, many workers themselves want more flexible working arrangements. I had experience as a trade union official, before I was elected to this House, of workers in full-time employment seeking a reduction in their hours and more flexible working hours to help them meet their family commitments. Far from hindering flexibility, The Workers' Party would wish to see it encouraged but what we are opposed to, and what our Bill is directed at, is exploitation.

The Minister suggests that over-regulation will hinder job creation. There is no evidence to support this. I should like to quote what Mr. Peter Cassells said at the seminar last year.

I do not accept that extending labour legislation and social insurance to cover part-time workers will inhibit job creation. Employers themselves do not believe this. In the Department of Labour's survey in August 1986 on employers perceptions of the effect of labour legislation, the following difficulties were listed by companies: uncertainty of demand and the general recession, 46 per cent; VAT, 28 per cent; competitive pricing and cheap imports, 25 per cent; cashflow and bad debts, 24 per cent; banking facilities, 19 per cent, and general overhead costs, 18 per cent.

Only a tiny proportion of firms, under 1 per cent, raised any issue related to the area of labour legislation and unfair dismissal. Also, if you look at countries in Europe with the best track record in job creation they are also the countries most heavily regulated with regard to workers legislation. For example West Germany and Sweden.

Mr. Cassells' view on this has not been challenged. Flexibility is not a problem. What is the problem? What are employers nervous about? The answer is to be found in John Blackwell's paper: it is money. John Blackwell, in his explanation as to why there has been a growth in part-time working, said:

The unit cost to the employer of employing a part-time worker can be lower than the unit cost or employing a full-time worker. There are a number of aspects to this and one is that the hourly wage for part-time work tends to be less than that for full-time work, even leaving aside the question of overtime rates and shift premiums.

He went on to talk about non-wage labour costs, that is employers' contributions to social insurance and to private pensions. Employers do not have to pay them and, therefore, that is another saving to them. John Blackwell went on to state that if employers have to pay little or nothing in the form of sick leave and are able to pay less than in the case of full-time workers for holiday pay, there can be an incentive to hire part-time workers. He said that whenever fringe benefits decline in proportion to the decline in the work week there can be an incentive to hire part-time workers. Many part-time workers have less access to fringe benefits, including occupational pensions, than their full-time colleagues. He went on to deal with the question of flexibility and said:

It has been argued that some of the increase in part-time working in Europe as a whole reflects an increased desire for flexibility on the part of the employer. However, a survey of employers' perceptions of the effects of labour legislation — the Department of Labour 1986 — indicates that the latter possible explanation has hardly been a major influence.

For "flexibility" we can read, "cheap labour". Legislation to protect part-time workers means an end to the free market in cheap, and mostly female, labour that is growing here. That is why there is resistance from employers and that is why, if the Minister persists in his opposition, he will yet come to be known as "the Minister for cheap labour".

The Minister's fifth and final reason is that, he says, the Bill is a wide brush, that it is too general and, as the Minister for Social Welfare said this evening, too simplistic. The Bill is based on the 1982 EC Draft Directive. The definitions in it, the terms of it, the sections in it are lifted from that draft directive. Successive Irish Governments have made it clear that they have not been opposed to that draft directive; indeed, successive Ministers for Labour have assured the ICTU that they support the directive and were working for agreement on it.

Has there been a change in Government policy? How can the Government on the one hand say they are in favour of the draft directive and then come into the House and oppose a Bill which is based on it? The Bill is essentially the same as that sought by the ICTU. Therefore, in opposing the Bill the Government are directly opposing the position of congress. What will the Minister for Labour say to congress if they ask him why he opposed The Workers' Party Bill on part-time workers?

What are we looking for in the Bill? We are looking for a number of basic provisions; we are looking for pro rata payment and conditions for workers; we know there is an emergence of a new structure in the workforce, the emergence of a small corps of highly paid people — this is the wish of employers and employer organisations — around whom a whole range of part-time workers will be based; we know that contract workers who enjoy no security of employment are paid far less, even on an hourly basis, than their full-time colleagues; we know these workers can be employed and dismissed at will and they do not enjoy legal protection; we want the conditions of part-time workers to be protected by law; we want part-time workers to be able to avail of the same statutory entitlements as their full-time colleagues. The women who need part-time employment for family reasons should qualify for maternity leave, which is not the case at present.

Debate adjourned.
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