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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 31 May 1990

Vol. 399 No. 5

Fóir Teoranta (Dissolution) Bill, 1990: Second Stage.

I move: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

This Bill provides for the dissolution of Fóir Teoranta, the repeal of existing Fóir Teoranta legislation, the transfer of its assets and liabilities to the Industrial Credit Corporation plc and related matters. It gives effect to the Government's decision, announced in February 1989, to wind-up the activities of Fóir Teoranta.

Fóir Teoranta were established in March 1972 under the Companies Act, 1963, as provided for in section 2 of the Fóir Teoranta Act, 1972. They were designed to fill a gap which was perceived in the range of State services available to manufacturing industry at the time. Their purpose was to provide an orderly procedure for restructuring ailing, but potentially viable, industrial concerns which encountered financial difficulties and which were unable to obtain their financial requirements from commercial sources.

Fóir Teoranta were established in a period of structural change in Irish industry prior to EC membership in 1973, and the removal of many trade barriers. The progression to the open economy which we now have was taking place rapidly. The Government at the time took the view that transitional measures aimed at helping Irish industry to adapt to the new more competitive conditions would be reasonable. Fóir Teoranta's busiest period of activity was during the recessionary period of the early eighties, when they provided very substantial assistance to Irish industry, mainly in the traditional sectors such as textiles and clothing, footwear and leather, furniture, etc. Unfortunately, despite Fóir Teoranta's efforts, many of their client firms in these sectors did not survive. It would be difficult to assert that Fóir Teoranta had anything but a marginal effect on the overall performance of these sectors one way or the other over the period since its establishment. On the positive side it must be said that some firms, in various sectors, which were assisted by Fóir Teoranta prospered and are trading successfully today.

Ireland joined the European Community in 1973, shortly after Fóir Teoranta were established. Since then, there have been wide fluctuations in the performance of the economy. In part, fast growth periods were stimulated by increased Government expenditure and borrowing. These borrowings eventually became unsustainable. The previous Government embarked upon the implementation of a Programme for National Recovery which had as one of its central aims the improvement of the environment for industry so that industry would be in a position to stand on its own feet and compete in the world marketplace. The aim was to reduce excessive Government expenditure, thereby reducing Government borrowing and lessening the upward pressures on interest rates and inflation. As Deputies know, very considerable progress has been achieved in the past three years.

Notice taken that 20 Members were not present; House counted and 20 Members being present,

The level of activity in Fóir Teoranta had tapered off considerably in recent years, reflecting the improved outlook for industry, from a peak of about £23 million in disbursements in 1983 to about £7 million in 1988. The number of applications received, cases approved and the average size of cases approved has also substantially reduced.

In line with the fall off in demand for their services and the virtual disappearance of large cases, together with buoyant own resources, Fóir Teoranta's requirement for Exchequer funding also declined in recent years. The last occasion on which the company needed to call on the Exchequer was in 1987. Since then, they have financed their operations from on-going income from their investments by way of interest and capital repayments including a considerable element of pre-payments, and share realisations. In fact, during the winding down phase, Fóir Teoranta have repaid a total of £8.2 million of Exchequer advances — £4 million in 1989 and £4.2 million so far this year. The company have been closed for new business since 23 February 1989.

Since Fóir Teoranta were a lender of last resort, it is not all that surprising that a high degree of failure took place among their client firms. However, the failure rate experienced by Fóir Teoranta involved very considerable cost to the Exchequer. The failure rate may be measured by the fact that some £75 million of the Exchequer advances of £87.5 million currently outstanding, in effect, has already been written-off by the company as irrecoverable.

The level of write-off in Fóir Teoranta reflects the fact that many firms assisted failed, despite the assistance given by Fóir Teoranta. Many of those firms left it far too late to go to Fóir Teoranta for assistance in the first instance. Nevertheless, where assistance was given in such cases, the damage had already been done and the firms eventually went to the wall anyway. While there may be economic benefit in keeping jobs in existence longer rather than being lost at the outset, the prospect for long-term sustainable employment may be better if firms are transferred to new owners quickly in the receivership/liquidation process than if they are kept in existence, with Fóir Teoranta assistance, but with existing high levels of indebtedness and generally poor management, as well as other weaknesses.

The recent takeover of the Irish companies in the Sunbeam group is an example of the fact that companies can survive and jobs can be saved, without the need for a State rescue agency such as Fóir Teoranta. I would like to pay tribute to the role played by the industrial development agencies — the IDA and SFADCo — in bringing this takeover about. I also look to the examiner provisions of the Companies (No. 2) Bill, 1987 to play a very important and positive role in the area of company reconstructions in the future.

This is the background against which the Government considered the future of Fóir Teoranta. Their decision that Fóir Teoranta should be wound up, as indicated in the announcement I made on 22 February 1989, was based on the following: the low level of demand for Fóir Teoranta's services over the recent past; the very much changed industrial environment, as a result of the firm action taken by this Government and the previous one, as compared with when Fóir Teoranta were established; the provision in the current Companies Bill allowing for the appointment by the Courts of an Examiner in order to prevent a potentially viable company from going into immediate liquidation and the need to prepare Irish industry to be ready to meet the challenges of the more competitive regime which will apply when the Internal Market is in place after 1992.

The decline in demand for Fóir Teoranta's services was due to a number of factors — the new climate of confidence in the economy and the favourable environment for industry were obviously major influencing factors. Another important consideration was the fact that finance for industry is now available on a much wider scale than ever before from private sector individual and institutional sources. Individual investors have the powerful advantage of State-backed tax schemes such as the business expansion scheme. The BES now has funds of over £100 million invested. Clearly it has been a substantial source of equity funding for Irish business which in the past has been too heavily dependent on debt finance.

Venture capital funds also exist on a significant scale, with an important role in this regard being played by public sector agencies such as NADCorp and the investment arm of the Industrial Credit Corporation. Given these developments, it was inevitable that — leaving aside the improvements in the economy generally — demand for Fóir Teoranta services would be considerably lessened and the need for such an organisation diminished.

The provision in the current Companies Bill allowing for the appointment by the courts of an examiner to companies in financial difficulty is modelled on the similar Chapter II process in the

United States. The aim is to prevent a potentially viable company from going into immediate liquidation. This approach is one which was advocated by Fóir Teoranta for some time. It allows for a stay on the rights of creditors while the examiner attempts a reconstruction of the company's finances.

One of my objectives in preparing the Bill was to provide a new procedure which would help to obviate the need for a separate State company to deal with industrial rescue. There will be ample scope under the new procedures for genuinely viable firms to stave off closure if they are threatened by merely short term financial difficulties. The Bill is at present before a Special Committee of the House and, while progress in its enactment has been slow due to its complexity and importance, I would hope that it will be enacted before the end of the year.

The industrial environment now is very much changed from that which existed when Fóir Teoranta were established 18 years ago and during their main periods of business. Business confidence has never been greater. I believe that State intervention such as that provided by Fóir Teoranta has no place in this environment. Despite recent increases, interest rates and inflation are at lower rates than those that exist in many of our competitor economies. The Confederation of Irish Industry is on record as stating that industry in Ireland would "prefer to have a competitive cost environment than seek to compensate for deficiencies in the environment through cash grants" etc., from the State. Clearly, we are living in an environment much more conducive to getting industry back on its feet and achieving increased long-term industrial employment. The best action which the Government can take in relation to the survival of firms is to contribute as much as possible to lowering the input costs of industry, rather than giving them hand outs when it is probably too late anyway to save them.

To sum up, the Government took their decision in relation to Fóir Teoranta in the light of prevailing circumstances. The Government's view is that with the other sources of finance available for investment in industry and with the economy in good condition, there should be little if any adverse impact on employment as a result of the closure of Fóir Teoranta. As regards the view that a need may arise in the future for the State to be actively involved in industrial rescue should economic conditions deteriorate, it has to be made clear that the days of feather-bedding Irish industry are over. Irish industry must be able to compete in the marketplace and, in an intensive effort to ensure that this will be the case in the post-1992 situation, the Government are already devoting greater resources to industry in the context of the EC Structural Funds over the next few years. Expenditure supported by the Structural Funds will be over £1 billion over the five-year period to 1993. There is, therefore, no lessening in the level of resources being devoted to industry. It is the purpose for which those resources are used which is important and we will be ensuring that the funds involved are put to best effect in order to secure good solid progress in attaining the employment targets set out in the Programme for National Recovery.

There will be an orderly winding down over time of Fóir Teoranta's portfolio of loans and investments which, under the terms of the legislation now before the House, will be assigned to the Industrial Credit Corporation to administer. The Exchequer's investment in the client firms concerned will be looked after by the ICC in accordance with the contractual arrangements entered into by those firms with Fóir Teoranta. It is not possible to say how long the winding down process will take. However, I would expect it will probably take of the order of five to seven years, but it could be longer in particular instances.

In relation to the ICC, my recent public statement that I am proposing to employ consultants to advise me on the options available in relation to the future development and capital requirements of the company has no direct effect on the arrangements being established under this Bill. Whatever the outcome of the consultants' report in due course, and the Government's decisions in relation to it, I envisage that the ICC will continue to administer the Fóir Teoranta portfolio on the basis now being established. Deputies will be aware that a Bill has been circulated to allow an increase in the State guaranteed borrowing limit of the ICC. That Bill is a normal ongoing adjustment in its borrowing limit and has nothing to do with this Bill. The increased borrowing limit is necessary to enable the ICC's on-going activities to proceed without interruption.

As regards the staff of Fóir Teoranta, I am pleased to report that most of the staff have now either been redeployed to other parts of the public service, or have taken early retirement on terms similar to those available under the general public service early retirement scheme. Efforts are continuing to redeploy the small number of staff who are left who have opted for redeployment. Some temporary staff have been taken on so as to ensure that the winding down process proceeds smoothly and the the Exchequer investment is protected.

Before dealing with the specific provisions of the Bill, I would like once again to express publicly my appreciation — and that of the Government — of the work done by Fóir Teoranta since their establishment. I wish to pay tribute to the hard work, commitment and dedication of the staff, management and directors of the company over the years.

I will now deal with the individual sections of the Bill. First of all, I should point out that the provisions of the Bill will come into effect on a day to be appointed by ministerial order. Section 1 is a definitional section. Section 2 dissolves Fóir Teoranta. Section 3 transfers all of the assets and liabilities of Fóir Teoranta to the Industrial Credit Corporation save for a sum of £75 million of Exchequer advances which is being written off. This amount has already been written off in the books of Fóir Teoranta as being irrecoverable. It is important to emphasise that, apart from about £10 million written off in 1983, this £75 million represents losses incurred by Fóir Teoranta over the full 18 years of their existence. The balance of the outstanding Exchequer advances, which is about £12.5 million, will be transferred to the ICC.

Money received by the ICC in respect of the assets of Fóir Teoranta, mainly their portfolio of loans and equity investments will, under subsection (4) of this section, be paid to the Exchequer.

Subsection (5) allows the Minister to pay to the ICC a fee in respect of their management of the assets and liabilities transferred to them. Section 4 provides for the preservation of existing contracts of Fóir Teoranta and their transfer to the ICC. Section 5 provides that the ICC will be substituted for Fóir Teoranta where the latter are a party to legal proceedings immediately before the commencement of the Act. Section 6 exempts the transfers involved under these provisions from the imposition of stamp duty. Section 7 deals with the final accounts of Fóir Teoranta which will be prepared by the ICC and submitted to the Minister who will present them to both Houses of the Oireachtas. The section also requires the corporation to keep all proper and usual accounts in relation to the assets and liabilities transferred to them and to present them to the Minister who will submit them to both Houses of the Oireachtas. Section 8 provides that the ICC shall present a report of their activities in relation to the assets and liabilities transferred to them to the Minister who will present it to both Houses of the Oireachtas.

In regard to section 9, subsection (1) provides that the Minister may make advances not exceeding £2 million to the corporation in respect of liabilities of Fóir Teoranta, arising from the exercise of their statutory functions, which had not been discharged by Fóir Teoranta on the transfer date. These liabilities arise from some outstanding commitments to client firms and to receivers of client firms where in certain circumstances moneys paid to Fóir Teoranta by receivers may have to be returned to the receivers together with interest thereon. The remaining subsections contain standard provisions in relation to Exchequer advances. Section 10 provides for the repeal of existing Fóir Teoranta legislation. Section 11 provides that the expenses incurred in the administration of the Act be paid from moneys provided by the Oireachtas. Section 12 deals with the short title and the commencement. date. As I mentioned already, the Act will come into operation on such day as the Minister may appoint by order. I commend the Bill to the House.

(Limerick East): On 25 April 1989 the Minister for Finance made a statement in the Dáil which stated that the Government considered that Fóir Teoranta were no longer necessary and that he would introduce legislation to abolish them. This legislation arises from that commitment. In the course of his statement, the Minister gave reasons why, in his opinion, a State rescue bank for Irish industry was no longer necessary; first, interest rates were at their lowest level for over a decade; second, inflation was at its lowest since the sixties; third, large amounts of money were available to industry through the BES scheme; fourth, the Companies Bill had a provision modelled on the Chapter 11 process in the United States which would prevent a potentially viable company from going into immediate liquidation.

It is interesting to examine these reasons for Fóir Teoranta's abolition one year later. Interest rates have risen four times, and by over 4 per cent since the Minister made his statement. Consequently, the low interest rate argument is clearly no longer valid. The claim arising from low inflation is also suspect because the inflation rate has doubled since the Minister made his statement in April of last year. Inflation is rising in the United Kingdom and there is a deep fear of German-led inflation in the EC. The 1990 budget has made some reductions in VAT and excise duties which have enabled the Minister to predict quite low inflation rates for 1990. However, only a portion of inflation is generated domestically and the biggest input to domestically generated inflation will be the level of the pay increases in the next pay agreement. It is clear that the Minister's claim that Fóir Teoranta are redundant because of low inflation, which will continue into the mid-term, is no longer valid either.

The Minister claimed there were significant amounts of money available through the BES schemes for industry. The Minister himself, however, put paid to this. The typical BES investor wants to avail of the tax break provided and at the same time be guaranteed the repayment of as much of his original investment as possible at the end of five years. The 1989 Finance Bill made an attempt to remove guarantees of repayment from business expansion schemes. The Government decided also to extend the BES scheme to the tourism industry. It is quite clear that asset-backed BES schemes, such as investments in new hotels or hotel extensions, is a much lower risk for an investor, than providing investment capital for manufacturing industry. In fact, BES funds for the manufacturing industry have dried up and consequently the third argument advanced by the Minister for the abolition of Fóir Teoranta, when he first announced it in April 1989, is no longer valid.

The Minister promised in April 1989 that procedures along the lines of Chapter 11, which applies in the United States of America, which would prevent viable companies from going into liquidation, would be introduced in the Companies Bill. Such provisions have been included, but the advice of our representatives on the select committee is that the provisions are so complex, so court-oriented and so removed from business experience they are impracticable and unworkable.

We requested, through our Whip, that this Bill to abolish Fóir Teoranta would not be taken until the Companies Bill had passed all Stages. We fear that the claim that the role of Fóir Teoranta will be adequately replaced by the Chapter 11 type provisions in the Companies Bill is doubtful in the extreme. All the arguments made by the Minister when he promised legislation in this House no longer apply. Consequently he should now withdraw the Bill because it is ill-conceived and untimely.

I would like to look at the terms of reference under which Fóir Teoranta conduct their business and at their record over the last decade. Fóir Teoranta are a lender of last resort, mandated to help good companies in bad times and in good. They have always acted prudently and have been instrumental in saving 40,000 jobs or more in manufacturing industry in the last eight years or so. During my period as Minister for Industry and Commerce it was quite clear to me that Fóir Teoranta were anything but a soft touch and that their board and employees performed their duties with diligence and competence under their terms of reference.

When Deputy John Bruton spoke in this House on the subject of Fóir Teoranta on 25 April 1989 he put the terms of reference and the procedures of Fóir Teoranta on the record. He stated:

Fóir Teoranta are not, and never were, an easy touch for a loan. Under their terms of reference, established by the late Deputy George Colley when he introduced the necessary legislation, in order to qualify for aid from Fóir Teoranta a company must: (1) be engaged in industrial activity; (2) have significant employment involved which is either nationally or locally significant; (3) there must be a sufficient contribution of money from the owner of the company going in at the time of the rescue; (4) there must be reasonable prospects of profitability on a permanent basis; (5) its continuance is in doubt because of inability to obtain its financial requirements from commercial sources and, finally, failure to receive assistance would have serious repercussions either nationally or locally.

All of those criteria must be complied with if a company is to get aid from Fóir Teoranta. There is no question of Fóir Teoranta ever being used simply to bale out the banks because, under the law, if a company can get assistance from the banks, they cannot get it from Fóir Teoranta. It is only companies that cannot get assistance from the banks that are qualified to receive assistance from Fóir Teoranta.

I believe Fóir Teoranta, under the guidance of their chairman and board, carried out their mandate effectively and I am not at all convinced that their services are no longer needed. In fact, all the evidence points in the opposite direction.

There are three categories of companies which require Fóir Teoranta assistance. Firstly, there are young companies with new products, especially in the high-tech sector. The primary asset of these companies is the brain power of the founding partners. These companies frequently get into difficulties in their early years and the attitude of the Minister that perhaps allowing them to go under and be taken over is the best way to save the companies is not valid. The viability of these companies depends on the intellectual skills of a small group, usually the founding partners. Neither liquidation nor Chapter 11 type procedures will rescue the company or save jobs and yet many such companies prove viable when assisted by Fóir Teoranta.

I would like to quote from the report of the Chairman, Owen Kealy, in 1987:

While in the past our activity has been concentrated on the traditional sectors of the economy, there are signs of an increased level of applications for assistance for "high-tech" firms, especially in the electronics and software sectors. This indicates the growth of an indigenous "high-tech" sector is not without its problems, particularly for firms trying to move beyond the initial development stage. Fóir Teoranta has a role to play in helping such firms overcome barriers to growth which threatens their survival at critical stages in their development.

We are aware that the financial problems of firms which we are called upon to help resolve are often the results of management weaknesses or difficulties. Accordingly we continue to make increasing use of our management services division which provides a pool of experienced personnel who can be used to supplement the management resources of the client firms. We are also prepared to assist companies in locating new management and can, in certain circumstances, contribute to the cost involved.

I think the points made by the chairman regarding the activity in new high-tech firms are still valid today. The need he identified is well established.

The second category of company which require the services of Fóir Teoranta are the large indigenous companies which need time to adjust to changing market circumstances and fluctuating competitive forces. Many companies such as these have been helped and thousands of jobs have been saved. The overall figures are interesting. The number of companies assisted over the years is as follows: in 1982, 84 companies; 1983, 94 companies; 1984, 93 companies; 1985, 86 companies; 1986, 58 companies; 1987, 51 companies and 1988, 46 companies. Well over £100 million has been provided in funds from 1982 to 1988 and 40,000 jobs have been saved. This is a significant contribution to industrial employment, and probably represents more net jobs in manufacturing industry than will be created in the lifetime of this Government, even if they last for the full four-years term.

Companies such as Irish Country Bacon, Manford Clothing and C & D Pet Foods have all been helped by Fóir Teoranta and jobs have been saved.

The Deputy should include Deputy Peter Barry's company also.

(Limerick East): Companies have been helped other than the categories mentioned above. In bad times when interest rates and inflation are high and when competitive factors are adverse, the whole industrial base can come under threat and certain companies need a safety net to bring them through. Certainly there have been improvements in the economy. However, high interest rates together with reduced demand on the home market and a recession in the United Kingdom could put many firms in difficulty. It is most imprudent of the Minister for Finance to be implementing a hasty, ill-conceived decision in circumstances which are very different from those that prevailed when he made his statement in the House over 12 months ago.

The Minister should withdraw the Bill. If he has sufficient confidence in the economy he could suspend the activities of Fóir Teoranta until adverse economic circumstances require their reactivation. I believe, however, he should leave things as they are. If his colleague in the Department of Industry and Commerce agrees to radically amend the Chapter 11 type provision in the Companies Bill. Fóir Teoranta may not have to intervene as frequently as in the past. At present I believe Fóir Teoranta are required and therefore Fine Gael will oppose this Bill.

I have some difficulty in responding to this Bill. On the one hand, I acknowledge that there will continue to be a role for some type of emergency rescue agency for industry in trouble but on the other hand I have fairly serious criticism of the role Fóir Teoranta have played and the manner in which they have operated. It is rather unusual that we are contending with a Bill introduced to abolish a State agency which, in effect, have already ceased operating. It is a bit late to be coming back after Fóir Teoranta have been already scattered to the four winds and asking this House in retrospect to approve this dissolution. That is no way to handle Government business.

As I have said, there is likely to be a continuing demand for some type of rescue agency for potentially viable enterprises — I emphasise potentially viable enterprises. Some of the choices made in the past amounted to no more than throwing good money after bad. The reference made by Deputy Noonan to the comments from the chairman in 1987 concerning management weaknesses and other reasons which caused Fóir Teoranta to intervene are very true. In some of those cases it was throwing good money after bad but for potentially viable companies and enterprises that are acknowledged to have short-term difficulties, we run some risk in abolishing this facility in its entirety.

Deputy Noonan drew attention to the Minister's statement of April 1989 when he listed the reasons he felt it necessary to take this step. Deputy Noonan took us through those four reasons one by one. It is striking that in such a short time none of the four reasons is valid any longer.

A particular claim was made at that time concerning low interest rates in the economy, the position regarding low inflation and the position regarding the money that was available through the Business Expansion Scheme. All these circumstances have changed drastically in the interim. Interest rates have changed dramatically since 1989. Since the present Coalition Government came to office, there have been four increases in interest rates.

Debate adjourned.
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