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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 13 Nov 1991

Vol. 412 No. 6

Nomination of Members of Government: Motion.

Tairgim:

Go gcomhaontóidh Dáil Éireann leis an Taoiseach d'ainmniú na Teachtaí Nollaig Ó Dobharáin agus Séamus Mac Daibhéad chun a gceapaithe ag an Uachtarán mar chomhaltaí den Rialtas.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann approves the nomination by the Taoiseach of Deputies Noel Davern and Jim McDaid for appointment by the President to be Members of the Government.

For the information of the House and subject to the motion being approved, I propose——

to terminate the assignment to myself of the Department of Finance and to assign that Department to Deputy Bertie Ahern;

to terminate the assignment to the Tánaiste, Deputy John P. Wilson of the Department of the Environment and to assign that Department to Deputy Rory O'Hanlon;

to terminate the assignment to Deputy Michael O'Kennedy of the Department of Agriculture and Food and to assign that Department to Deputy Michael Woods;

to terminate the assignment to Deputy Bertie Ahern of the Department of Labour and to assign that Department to Deputy Michael O'Kennedy;

to terminate the assignment to Deputy Michael Woods of the Department of Social Welfare and to assign that Department to Deputy Brendan Daly;

to terminate the assignment to Deputy Rory O'Hanlon of the Department of Health and to assign that Department to Deputy Mary O'Rourke;

to terminate the assignment to Deputy Mary O'Rourke of the Department of Education and to assign that Department to Deputy Noel Davern; and

to terminate the assignment to Deputy Brendan Daly of the Department of Defence and to assign that Department to Deputy Jim McDaid.

I would also like to inform the House that I propose to recommend to Government that they should remove from office—

Deputy Máire Geoghegan-Quinn, Minister of State at my Department,

Deputy Michael Smith, Minister of State at the Department of Industry and Commerce, and

Deputy Noel Treacy, Minister of State at the Department of Justice.

I propose to nominate Deputies Michael P. Kitt, Dermot Ahern and John O'Donoghue to be Ministers of State. I will propose to the Government the Departments to which they will be nominated and some other changes in the allocation of responsibilities in the Departments to which existing Ministers of State are assigned.

Poor old Dick Roche.

I would not like to let this occasion pass without paying tribute to the contribution made to Government by the former Ministers for Finance and the Environment, Deputies Albert Reynolds and Pádraig Flynn.

Since 1989, Deputy Reynolds has brought in three budgets, which have contributed through downward pressure on the national debt and a reduction in the tax burden to maintaining a favourable climate for continued economic progress. He has played a key role in the negotiations on economic and monetary union, insisting that it will be framed in such a way as to allow Ireland to participate from the outset on broadly acceptable terms. He was also one of the negotiators of both the original and the revised Joint Programme for Government, and he played an important part in the negotiation of the Programme for Economic and Social Progress.

Deputy Flynn has been Minister for the Environment from 1987. During that period much important environmental legislation has been passed, and a ten year environmental action programme has been adopted. He has also introduced an innovative social housing programme. Notable improvements have been made to the country's road network and to oher essential aspects of our physical infrastructure.

I would like to thank both Deputies for their outstanding work in Government. Both of them made a major contribution to the success of Ireland's EC Presidency.

I would also like to pay tribute to Ministers of State Geoghegan-Quinn, Smith and Treacy for their effective and assiduous work in the Departments in which they served.

Deputy Máire Geoghegan-Quinn too played a part in the success of our Presidency and her work on women's affairs in my Department has been impressive. The Government appreciate also the work Deputy Michael Smith has done as Minister of State at the Department of Industry and Commerce with special responsibility for Science and Technology. Deputy Noel Treacy has worked at the Departments of Health and Justice and made a valuable contribution to the work of both Departments. I would like to take this opportunity to acknowledge in the House the dedication of all three Deputies to the discharge of the responsibilities assigned to them.

Unfortunately, circumstances have arisen, which have made it necessary for me to request the resignation of the Ministers concerned, in order to uphold the principle of collective responsibility enshrined in our Constitution and in the interest of maintaining the overall unity and the cohesion of the administration. I have done this with regret.

It is now accepted on all sides of the House that it is our paramount duty to implement the new comprehensive Programme for Government and to concentrate our full attention on the many important problems and issues facing the nation. In a few weeks' time far reaching decisions on the future shape of European Union will be taken at the European Council Meeting at Maastricht. Work on the Book of Estimates has to be completed, and a budget framed for 1992 which will be appropriate to the economic situation and fulfil the requirements laid down in the revised Programme for Government. It is also necessary to complete our discussions with the social partners on the implementation of the Programme for Economic and Social Progress in present economic conditions. We must continue our efforts to achieve peace and political progress in Northern Ireland. There is a very full agenda for the months ahead, to which the Government, and I hope other Members in this House, will now devote their undivided attention.

Nothing for Cork again. Why should Cork be left out?

Cork, the second city.

What is wrong?

Cork is being lynched.

As a nation and as a people we have the capacity to do much better than we have been doing. We here in Ireland are not performing to our potential. We are not performing because we have no common purpose as a people. We have no common purpose because we have no political leadership. There was no greater evidence of a lack of common purpose than in the speech we have just heard from the Taoiseach. The speech was devoted more to a hypocritical attempt to write the political obituary of his party opponents than to sketch out any idea of what the newly appointed Ministers are supposed to achieve. In a very real sense this Government have no common purpose.

Let us understand the importance of genuine leadership. Let me take an illustration from another field of endeavour. The Irish soccer team was transformed from mediocrity to excellence by the catalyst provided by the leadership of Mr. Jack Charlton. Jack Charlton did not score a single goal or block a single ball, but he created a vision that enabled others to do that. Irish politics today, and this Government in particular, are failing to provide a vision or to lead this country in any real way. As a result, as a nation, we are failing to perform.

The number without work, the number who have emigrated, the number leaving school without basic reading and writing skills, the number living in substandard accommodation, the plight of people with a handicap, the neglect of those caring for elderly relatives, the discrimination experienced by travellers in our community, by any of those standards we as a nation are failing to perform to our full potential. Instead of creating a strong enterprise econony where effort is rewarded, monopolies removed and employees share in profits, this Government have created a society in which enterprise has been given a bad name.

A Cheann Comhairle, could you please request silence for our speaker?

A Cheann Comhairle, on a point of order, is there a meeting taking place in the Chamber?

The Chair has been constantly ringing the bell appealing for order.

You have done nothing about it, Sir, and there has been a meeting going on there for the past five minutes. There is no regard at all for a speaker here.

It is understandable that some people are very disappointed.

Deputy John Bruton without interruption.

I have just outlined where I believe this country is failing to perform because of the lack of proper political leadership. This will not change as long as this reshuffled Government remain in office. That is all they will do, remain in office, not in Government in any real sense, no just in office; the Progressive Democrats have seen to that. As long as this Government continue in office everything is provisional. The maximum time frame is two years, the minimum, on past experience, is about two weeks. That is no way to run a country. Indeed the make-shift character of everything is very well revealed in the particular choices made for promotion to the Cabinet. Not a single Minister of State was deemed worthy of promotion. Their experience was of no importance. Not a single woman TD on the Fianna Fáil benches was considered worthy of promotion.

Exactly, going right against the recommendation of the Commission on the Status of Women.

The Chair is anxious to maintain order on both sides of the House.

After all the trauma of the past few months nothing has changed. The Progressive Democrats and Fianna Fáil have both separately decided that the Taoiseach is to continue as Head of the Government; that is their decision. we have a Government remaining in place, not because of leadership but because of the very lack of it. The Taoiseach has simply frustrated the ambition of those who serve him. He remains Taoiseach because those around him have neither the courage nor cohesion to replace him.

I am utterly convinced that the continuance of the Government is not in the best interests of the State. No good will come of the continuance of what we have seen during the past two years. I ask those on the Government benches to drag themselves away from the world of disinformation campaigns, white Hiace vans and threats for a few minutes and contemplate what people outside this House are thinking. The people cannot understand why this Government are still there after all that has happened. They have heard his colleagues make extraordinary accusations against the Taoiseach. They have heard those who supported him last Saturday saying afterwards that he should not be there at the next election, yet this paralysed Government remain in office because of the collective lack of cohesion or cowardice of those around them.

Whatever about the majority in this House, I am convinced that the people can and will do better. The first requirement is that we have a Government who have a clear sense of purpose. Politics in Ireland has become increasingly removed from the people. Few people under the age of 35 listen to or watch political programmes. Politics has become, to use Professor Joe Lee's term, more about possession than performance. Success is measured by how much one possesses, not how well one manages to perform. One cannot perform, of course, unless one has a sense of purpose. The Government do not have a sense of purpose. That is their fundamental problem.

Speaking in this House on 20 February 1985, Deputy Desmond O'Malley said, "Young people can hardly be blamed if they look at this House and its Members with a certain cynicism because they see a certain hypocrisy." Those words were used by Deputy O'Malley on the day he made a moving speech in which he outlined his sense of a true Republic and stated that unlike his colleagues he intended to stand by the Republic. Deputy O'Malley today is not standing by the Republic. He is standing by Deputy Haughey. I will leave it at that.

Where does the interest of this Republic lie? What is best for this Republic? These are questions which are not being answered by this Government, a Government without a policy or a purpose, yet they are questions which must be answered for the people in this debate. Other parties, Opposition and otherwise, should say with clarity where exactly they stand on the issue of a change of Government. Do they want one or not? Do they believe a change of Government is possible? Do they believe that this is the best possible of all Governments that can be formed in this House? I do not think so and I intend to demonstrate how a better Government can and will be formed to replace the present one at the earliest opportunity.

For my part I have no fear for this country as far as the election of a new Dáil is concerned. The people are wise enough and the case for a new Government is strong enough. I wish to give notice in this debate that Fine Gael are seeking a mandate for a new Government from the people. If the people decide that we must enter into discussions with other paries to form such a Government, then we will do so willingly but on the basis of clear and well understood parameters, to which I will refer in some detail. Let me repeat that the people do not and will not have to tolerate this Government indefinitely without any choice being offered. They will have a choice, whether it be his year, next year or the year after. They do not have to continue with this Government for ever. The Progressive Democrats and the 55 Fianna Fáil Deputies have decided between them that in this, the 26th Dáil, we can provide nothing better than the present Government. I am utterly convinced, however, that the 27th Dáil, whenever elected, will elect a new Government which will be immeasurably better than the present one.

How can we build a Government which will be better in every way than the Government who seek renewed authority in this House today? As the leader of the largest united party in Dáil Éireann, I recognise that some responsibility falls on my shoulders. The Taoiseach has no clear objectives on any political issue, nor have his Government. I will state what I intend will be the clear objectives of the Government that will be formed whenever a new Dáil is elected.

The Taoiseach has had half-baked notions on Northern Ireland in the past. When he found himself at a critical point in the nation's history in 1980 and had something almost between his hands, he allowed it to drift away. Then, having virulently opposed the Anglo-Irish Agreement in 1985, he operated it compliantly from 1987 on. Now he is waiting for the British Secretary of State for Northern Ireland to make another initiative. He is waiting for the British. Where is the purpose, where is the vision in regard to Northern Ireland of this Government who are seeking a renewed mandate? What is their vision for the future of this country? They have not got one as far as Northern Ireland is concerned or any other matter. In the next Dáil we can and will elect a Government who will make real progress on Northern Ireland, based on an explicit recognition in Articles 2 and 3 of our Consitution of the right of the people of Northern Ireland to decide their own future. There is an unlimited prospect for future prosperity and harmony on this island once that vital recognition is granted. It can open a new era. I am convinced that in the next Dáil a Government will be formed which will be committed to the creation of that new era, based on the mutual respect which has been lacking.

The economic objectives of Deputy Haughey and his Government are equally unclear. In 1980 and 1981 he compounded the financial crisis caused by his own party from 1977. In Opposition from 1981, he was simply destructive. In 1987 he accepted the budget that had been prepared by the previous Government. Some progress was achieved. To borrow Professor Lee's phrase again, because the Government between 1987 and 1989 did not entirely possess, they had to perform. A minority Government had to perform because they could not simply sit back and enjoy power, as the Coalition have done for the past two years. That is the difference between those two Governments.

All the progress up to 1989 was thrown away frivolously in the general election called that year. Few general elections in any country were so blatant about power rather about policy. What economic purpose was served by that election? None. The two parties who lost seats in 1989 proceeded to form a Government. As a result of this contract the Taoiseach and the Progressive Democrats from 1989 had all the power they craved but whereas under a minority Government without full power the nation's finances were brought under control, once we had a majority Government with full power the nation's finances almost immediately started to slip out of control again. In more recent times, the Taoiseach even went so far as to undermine his Minister for Finance. I say this with some feeling because I never saw it happen in any Government in which I was involved. The rift in Fianna Fáil that burst wide open last Saturday can be traced back to the by-passing of the Minister for Finance in the Programme for Economic and Social Progress negotiations. That was followed by the deliberate undermining of the Minister for Finance's radio interviews on the economy. It was all a game. The work of earlier years was wasted. There was no sense of economic purpose or economic leadership.

The recently revised Fianna Fáil-Progressive Democrats joint programme bears all the marks of this collapse of collective and individual responsibility. The programme's promises on tax and PRSI cannot be met without raising approximately £640 million by some other means. Yet no answer is given anywhere as to how or where this £640 million is to be raised. Without such an answer as to where the money is to come from this vaunted programme is not a policy, it is just an aspiration.

The Programme for Economic and Social Progress, of course, has similar flaws. It contains financial commitments, which I have detailed in a statement in my circulated speech, amounting to £888 million. Again we are not told where a single penny of this is to be found. Like the joint programme between Fianna Fáil and the Progressive Democrats, it is not a policy, it is just an aspiration because they have not said how the money will be found. It is not a policy because a policy is about choices.

There is a well known phrase — I have heard this used by former secretaries of the Department of Finance on many occasions — that to govern is to choose. In neither the joint programme with the Progressive Democrats nor in the Programme for Economic and Social Progress have this Government had the courage to make any choices about where the money was to be found to pay for any of the aspirations they contained. They did not choose; they simply aspired. Because they aspired without choosing they have no right to call either of those documents a policy for the future of this country. The failure to answer these questions about how promises are to be paid for shows the claim of the Progressive Democrats to be a policy driven party, to be nothing more than just pious rhetoric. In the sense of making real choices about how things are to be paid for, the Progressive Democrats are no more policy driven than Fianna Fáil.

However, I am determined that the next Dáil will elect a Government who will have clear economic policies. It is Fine Gael's intention that any Government formed in the next Dáil should agree prior to taking office on certain basic economic parameters. There will have to be a negotiated agreement between the parties forming the Government to limit Exchequer borrowing for each year and an agreement that there will be a balanced current budget over a ten-year period so that we can get the debt-GNP ratio down to 60 per cent, something we must do in order to take part in the proposed single European currency.

I am also determined that there will be an explicit agreement prior to the formation of the Government in the next Dáil that taxation will not be allowed to exceed its present proportion of GNP. Basic budgetary policy must be agreed in advance of the formation of any Government. That did not happen with this Government but it will happen with the Government who will be elected in the next Dáil. Only thus will we have a sound financial framework within which our jobs crisis can be overcome. This Government have shown their lack of any sense of collective purpose in its most extreme form in the way they have reacted to the recent rapid increase in unemployment. They have not outlined any jobs strategy. They do not even have a Minister with overall responsibility for employment matters. They rejected, dismissively, the suggestion of an all-party forum on jobs, put forward by Fine Gael and the Irish Congress of Trade Unions. However, having done what they have no policy of their own.

I am determined that the new Government to be elected in the next Dáil will resolutely tackle Ireland's unemployment problem. The people now in office are saying that nothing can be done, there is no hope, and the Government cannot solve the unemployment problem. My party have already started work on a comprehensive jobs Bill designed, in one decisive overall legislative measure, to clear away all the blockages to job creation right across our social system in areas such as taxation, social insurance, labour law, rents policy, means tests and sectoral policies. Our aim is to have one comprehensive legislative measure that can be put into effect in the first three months of the new Administration in the next Dáil. We also want to ensure that all Members of the Dáil, Backbench and Front Bench Members, Opposition and Government, will be allowed play a constructive role in helping to solve Ireland's jobs crisis. We will establish in the next Dáil an all-party jobs forum, to work with the social partners, something which both Fianna Fáil and the Progressive Democrats have refused to countenance.

There is another area in which the utter purposelessness of this Government is evident, that is, their reaction to developments in Europe. The Government have no policy on how Europe should develop. The Taoiseach, going to Europe, is like someone going to a meeting with a notice and a copy of the agenda in his pocket but with no proposals to make. Ireland is no more than a passive bystander in the debates now being conducted by other countries. We are waiting, to use the Taoiseach's words, for something to "emerge". We are not pushing for anything in particular, apart, of course, from looking for more money, as usual.

We have heard ad nauseam from the Taoiseach that he has a list, an agenda — a very passive word — but what objectives does he have? We know what is on the agenda. We know the agenda would be the same no matter what Government were in office. We also know about Maastricht which has been recited so often it has almost become a mantra used by the Government to lull people into a hypnotic trance — if one keeps saying “Maastricht” often enough people will go to sleep. What do the Government intend to do at Maastricht? What do they intend to do about unemployment? The Progressive Democrats have repeated the words “tax reform” so often that they have also become a sort of mantra used to lull people into somnolence. What do the Government intend to do about tax reform? There is no clue given in either the Programme for Economic and Social Progress or the Joint Programme for Government about the answer to that question. They have not said where a single penny to pay for any of the aspirations in those documents will be found.

In the real sense of the phrase, this Government have no common purpose. The key which made the Irish soccer team a success was that Jack Charlton gave them a sense of common purpose. This Government have given the people no sense of common purpose. It is all about staying in office and has nothing to do with achievement. There is no sense of what ought to be achieved.

The Taoiseach did not outline in his speech any mandate for the Ministers being appointed. It is simply a way of rearranging people for some internal party purpose. No purpose or sense of direction has been offered to the people. That, more than the scandals, is what is wrong with this Government at present.

My aim is that the next Dáil, whenever it is elected, will elect a Government who will be committed to a clear and explicit European policy. I hope they will be a Government committed to the creation of a federal Europe. They will also be committed to the genuine radical reform of European institutions to protect small nations in a democratic way through the establishment of an elected European Senate with equal representation for all states similar to that in other federal democracies, such as the United States of America. They will also be explicitly committed to a social Europe and not just to a free trade area. The new Government which I hope will be elected in the next Dáil will give Europe a lead on matters such as aid for the Third World. However, they will also stand for a Europe in which there will be no hiding places for terrorists. I want to see a Government in this State fully committed to effective extradition throughout Europe where political motives will never excuse violent crime of any kind. I do not believe we have such a Government in office today.

I am determined that in the next Dáil we will have a Government who will behave in a collectively responsible way in full accord with the Constitution. We do not have such a Government at present. The Constitution states:

The Government shall meet and act as a collective authority and shall be collectively responsible for the Departments of State administered by members of the Government.

This Government have not honoured those provisions of our Constitution. Even in the past two days their members have spoken of "standing aside" from decisions such as the sacking of Ministers of State. Standing aside is the notion of collective responsibility in this Government. The servants of one Minister, the Taoiseach, actually briefed the press against another Minister in his so-called collectively responsible Government. The Programme for Economic and Social Progress was finalised without the direct involvement of the then Minister for Finance. This was a clear breach of the Ministers and Secretaries Act, 1924, which requires the involvement of the Department of Finance in any matter affecting public finance. The present Taoiseach involves himself directly in the business of individual Departments, meeting State company chairmen, without the involvement of the responsible Ministers. This is not collective Government. There is an old saying: “What is everybody's business is nobody's business”. In this Government the government of Ireland is nobody's business.

It is my intention that the next Dáil will elect a Government that will adhere strictly to the sound principle of collective responsibility. I hope that the next Government will not continue the luxury — which the present Government have — of separate internal rival press offices, financed by the taxpayer on behalf of the two parties forming the Government. My intention is that the next Government will conduct their business in Cabinet, with proper minutes and proper accountability and not in the private home of the Taoiseach or any other Minister.

My intention is that the next Government will respect the independence and integrity of the office of the Minister for Finance. No financial commitments will be entered into that do not have either his or her consent, or the authority of a prior Cabinet decision. That is the only sort of Government in which the people of Ireland will be able to have entire confidence. The next Dáil will end for good the historic aberration of personal Government of a kind we have seen in the early eighties and for the last four years but never before in the history of the State.

The scandalous events that came to the surface in the last two months underline more than anything else the need to return to a genuinely responsible system of collective Cabinet Government. It is simply not acceptable that we have a Government in office today that has refused to take any ministerial responsibility for what happened in Irish Sugar, notwithstanding the very frequent meetings between the Taoiseach and the chairman of the board. Nobody accepts responsibility. They have lots of meetings but they will take no responsibility.

It is not acceptable that we have a Government in which no Minister will take responsibility either for what has happened in Telecom. Everyone else is being investigated except the responsible Ministers. It is not acceptable that no Minister in this Government will take responsibility for the appointment of a chairman of Aer Rianta, notwithstanding the acknowledged leaking — known to the Government — of financial information by that man's company to the commercial rival of a national airline. Nobody takes responsibility for that decision in this Government.

It is not acceptable either that the Head of the Government has refused to take any personal responsibility for giving plainly misleading answers to this House on 22 October last. In all of these matters and in all the other matters I referred to earlier in my speech, we have a Government that, quite literally, wishes to stand aside from responsibility for everything that is happening in this country. Therefore, in the real sense of the term, because they wish to stand aside, we do not actually have a Government.

Fianna Fáil and the Progressive Democrats may well be prepared to accept that for the rest of the 26th Dáil, for the next two and a half years or the next two and a half months or whatever. That situation will not apply in the next Dáil. The next Dáil will not operate on the basis of inner circles or evasive answers. It is my intention that the Government in the next Dáil will establish a comprehensive committee system to which every member of the Government will be answerable. Every Member of this House, through such a committee, will have a voice and a constructive voice. If, for example, the privatisation of a State company is being contemplated, each step along the road will be explained by Ministers to a committee of this House. Decisions by Ministers to appoint consultants will be taken on the basis of open tender and not of private discussion.

Ministers will, I propose, be compellable to give evidence before the Joint Committee on Commercial State-sponsored Bodies. We will never again have, as we have had in the last few weeks, the spectacle of a Minister refusing to appear before that or any other committee of this House. Why is that? If Ministers themselves are properly supervised by this House they, in turn, will properly supervise the companies and agencies under their control. That is the key to preventing future scandals, proper supervision. That is what Dáil Éireann is for. Dáil Éireann is there to ensure that the Government do their job. Because this Dáil, through no fault of its own, has not been doing its job, Ministers in turn have not been doing theirs and we have allowed a situation of the kind that came to the surface in the last two months to arise.

This country has the capacity to perform and to win. I know that. Those who are content simply to possess office for the next two and a half years should first move aside. They must allow this nation to run its own affairs, to build an Ireland, as part of a Europe of which we can all be proud. We need a Government that will govern with a purpose and that will thereby release the creative energies of our people in the way they have been released in so many other spheres of endeavour but have not been released in the area of politics or economics because, quite simply, the people who are supposed to provide the leadership in that area — the Government — are not doing so. We can do better and we will do better. In the next Dáil we will have a better Government than the present one, and I am determined that that will happen.

A Leas-Cheann Comhairle, at the outset let me welcome you back to the Chair after your recent hospitalisation. As long as you do not interrupt me we are all glad to see you back.

Thank you kindly, Deputy. I had two operations last week: a minor one and a major one.

Despite the best efforts of the Taoiseach — not particularly inspired efforts — this morning there is, unfortunately, a jaded ring about the composition of the Government. It is hard to imagine that the Taoiseach could have put a team together that look as tired and as stale as the outgoing team, but he seems to have managed that. I compliment and congratulate the two new Ministers on becoming part of the Cabinet. Obviously, it is a major responsibility for both Deputy Davern and Deputy McDaid. I would, however, recommend that they do not sell their family cars because they may well need them in the very near future.

I question whether Deputy Davern — or perhaps Minister Davern if all the backbenchers return to vote this evening at 10 o'clock — has the vision and the capacity in relation to education which is at a very vital stage, given that the outgoing Minister for Education, Deputy O'Rourke, has announced, on a number of occasions — and some of the newspapers have informed us — that a very important Green Paper on education will be emerging.

Deputy McDaid is moving into the Department of Defence, a Department which has had difficulties in the last number of years and it remains to be seen what Deputy McDaid does in that Department. Obviously, both Deputies have been rewarded for their stoic defence of their leader in recent weeks. I also congratulate the junior Ministers, Deputies Kitt, Ahern and O'Donoghue and wish them well in their appointments to whatever Departments they are assigned.

It was evident to all of us who watched the events of last Saturday that there would not be any serious change in relation to this Government, that there was not going to be a spirit of openness or honesty and that there would be no willingness to rid the country of the air of scandals which has gripped us for months. Obviously, and more importantly, there would not be a new departure in relation to unemployment or emigration, there would not be a fresh look at the homeless or new concern for the rights of handicapped or disabled people and there would not be any compassion for children in this nation who go to bed hungry every night. Unfortunately, the legacy of this Government will be essentially the same as the legacy as that which preceded it. For that reason it is not a Government that deserve even a moment's honeymoon in this House — although how they could enjoy a honeymoon, with so many uneasy bedfellows around, would be a mystery.

The Government announced today is essentially the same cynical collection of time servers, imbued with the same tired old philosophy of office at any price, and presided over by the same malevolent spirit, as the one that went into conclave with the rest of the Fianna Fáil Parliamentary Party last Saturday. They hung together then, just about, and final judgment on their performance must wait for another day, when the Irish people get an opportunity to express the judgment that they did not have the opportunity to express last Saturday.

If Ireland had woken up last Saturday to hear that the Taoiseach had resigned, that at last the backbenchers of his own party had stood up to this man who for so long has treated them with absolute contempt, there would have been a huge national sigh of relief. There would have been the beginnings of hope that at last we could get away from the smell of corruption and petty venality in high office; we could begin to dismantle the golden circle that has threatened the fabric of democratic Government; and we could begin to see some light let in to some of our darkest corners.

Or, if the Taoiseach had decided, unilaterally, to use that Napoleonic phrase that he has frequently used, to "pass on the baton" to some other leader of his party, there would have been perhaps the beginnings of a new respect for the Taoiseach — the beginnings of a realisation that this man had a sense of dignity after all. If he had decided that his long suffering party needed and deserved a change, there would have been some admiration for the personal sacrifice he had made on their behalf. If he had decided that the country as a whole needed and deserved a fresh start, there would have been a sense that at last he had discovered the value of real democracy.

Instead, we witnessed the spectacle of a democratically elected Taoiseach describing dissent with his party as nothing more than a "power-grab"— and this from a Taoiseach who has all the experience to know a real power-grab when he sees it. We watched the secret trading and brow beating, we saw the pressure building up, we saw young Deputies being exposed to the cynical realities of manipulation by Deputies longer in tooth and claw than them and the realisation began to dawn that there was no way this Taoiseach was going to allow himself to receive the message that virtually every member of his party, in their heart of hearts, wants to send him.

In the process, of course, we saw some of the things we have come to expect in these situations. We saw the Minister for Agriculture and Food dithering, hoping to use the occasion to copperfasten his already very shaky seat at the Cabinet table. We saw the Minister for Foreign Affairs debasing himself on national television on the boss's behalf. We saw other contenders weighing up the main chance and deciding that it was more important in the end to do Deputy Reynolds in than to take any action that smacked of principle.

In the immediate aftermath of last Saturday we saw some of the backbenchers, like the one who appeared on television on Monday night and accused a journalist of "doing all right" out of the tapping of her telephone, behaving like carrion birds circling over a carcase. It is a sad state of affairs when remarks like that can be thrown at reputable journalists — that they are "doing all right" because they got a justificable award from the courts as a result of telephone tapping by members of the Government. It is a sad day when Deputies make remarks like that on the national airwaves.

Of course, we saw some Deputies prepared to make a sacrifice for the sake of change. I know that the great majority of Deputies in this House believe that the motivation of most, if not all, of the 22 who were prepared to be counted, was honourable. I do not believe they should be referred to as a gang. In fact, I suggest that being one of the 22 is a mark of distinction, a sign that they had the interests of the people of Ireland at heart. There is a certain amount of sacrifice in giving up office in order to express dissent, even though describing it as the "ultimate sacrifice", as some people have, is a very revealing phrase, because it suggests that nothing matters more than office. In fact, being able to look at yourself in the mirror matters more than office, and I feel sure that every one of the 22 can look at themselves more comfortably this week than they could last week.

There was, of course, still some measure of hope that by now the Progressive Democrats would have had enough, given the reason for their foundation. The reasoning was simple: if Deputies Reynolds and Flynn could take no more of the stultifying grip of the Taoiseach, how could the Progressive Democrats fail to see the writing on the wall? But, of course, we reckoned without the keen sense of national duty of the Progressive Democrats. The party described recently, and perhaps sarcastically, by one commentator as the "standard bearers of integrity" were not long in throwing in their lot with the 55. I cannot figure out for the life of me, and perhaps never will, where the national duty lies in that.

It is no secret that Progressive Democrat Members, supporters, and voters are all equally dismayed by the spate of scandals which has engulfed the Government. That have made this well known to the press. Senior Progressive Democrat members make little secret of their belief that there is something rotten at the very heart of this Government. Yet they appear to see it as their "national duty" to prop up a Government which failed to keep the trust of a significant proportion of their own backbenchers, and a Taoiseach who has in the last 12 months sacked one-quarter of the Ministers he was entitled to appoint, Ministers who were themselves among the key people who made him Leader of Fianna Fáil in the first place. At the centre of it all is the Taoiseach, Deputy Haughey, perhaps the nearest thing Ireland has to a medieval prince — with the cunning of a Machiavelli, the lifestyle of a Louis XIV, and the apparent personal wealth of a Medici. The only thing that spoils the picture is that Medici always used poison to dispatch his enemies — but obviously there were no Hiace vans in those days.

For the last three months Ireland and the Government have been convulsed by a string of scandals. When they are all added up, one thing is clear, and is worth repeating — there is now in Ireland a small clutch of people pulling strings, stings and strokes, all for their own benefit. None of these strokes have added to the quality of life in Ireland or to the overall efficiency of our economy. All they have done is to make a small group of people richer and ever more ambitious.

I have already said that we value enterprise in Ireland. We need it. We admire the skills and talents of our entrepreneurs, and we do not grudge people the reward they have secured, but there is a line between hard driving, efficient, and pragmatic business on the one hand and business that has taken the law into its own hands in the other. The Government must walk that line, creating and leading the ethos and the standards that ensure that business is conducted according to rules of ethics. What we see all around us now only becomes possible when Government have stopped walking the line. The ethics that are behind all the deals and strokes I have already mentioned are the ethics of a Government that believes in nods and winks rather than in standards. The style of Government that the Taoiseach, Deputy Haughey, has created, and the ethos that runs through these events, has been all too predictable for a long time.

I would say to the Taoiseach, that, despite the changes made in the Government, that ethos has to end. That is what many people had hoped for last Saturday and that is what the 22 Members of Fianna Fáil who voted against the Taoiseach last Saturday set out to end. It is unfortunate for Ireland that their attempts failed.

The string of scandals which have come to light have stirred anger in the people. The anger is at the greed and amoralism that has been displayed. It is vital that we begin to see the connection between the scandals and the ethos behind those scandals and a lot of other things that are wrong with this country. There are many things wrong in this country at present. It is not pure accident that if one wants to travel out to the much-lauded new K-Club in Straffan one passes tumbledown and grossly inadequate sheltered workshops on the way. If one went down to visit the Financial Services Centre, one would be no more than a stone's throw from one of the busiest labour exchanges in the country.

It is not an accident that, side by side with the greatest cutbacks in essential services that we have ever seen, there has been an enormous increase in disposable income in a few hands. Side by side with poverty on a scale unprecedented in recent Irish history, we have daily displays of ostentatious and unseemly wealth. Of course, these things are only visible to those who want to see them — it is hard to see poverty when one is flying over it in a helicopter on the way to one's wind-powered island, or driving past it in a State Mercedes.

What we have witnessed in this country in the last few years has been the beginning of a social breakdown. The Taoiseach said last weekend that he was not ready to depart. The legacy he would be leaving if he left at this stage would perhaps be one that he could not live with because the legacy of the present Coalition Government is an appalling legacy which the people on the streets and in the houses know all too well. I would say that the average Fianna Fáil backbencher who left here in a great state of discomfort this morning, knows all too well or will find out all too soon.

I do not believe it is begrudgery to point out the social breakdown that is taking place. The real begrudgery lies in the hearts of those who believe that only the strongest should be encouraged, those who believe that as long as income tax on £50,000 a year is kept low, it is all right for those with no income at all to queue for health care. The real begrudgers are those who will not spend money on leaking roofs in our schools around the country and defend that by saying no money is available, but they will give £8 million to University College Dublin to buy a property it neither wants nor needs. The real begrudgers are those who ignore the growing housing lists, but will spend millions of pounds on turning the Temple Bar area into a glorified film set which this country needs like a hole in the head.

It is our role in this House to criticise, and there is much to criticise about the performance of this Government over the last number of months. We also, however, have a duty to be constructive. I would like to think that the new Cabinet will start to put things right. The challenge facing them, as in this debate today — in which obviously none of them is interested — is to see if they will start putting right the things that are wrong in Ireland at present. I would particularly like to think they will tackle some of the wider and fundamental issues in a new and different spirit although I doubt if they can do so under the leadership of the Taoiseach, Deputy Haughey.

Let me take one crucial example that we have been neglecting here in recent months. It is the whole question of European integration. Will they tackle that whole issue about which we have been at pains to discover, have the Government a position on this matter? Will they tackle it now, even at this late stage, with courage and resourcefulness? I would certainly hope that the performance of our Minister for Foreign Affairs in these discussions will show a little bit more finesse, character and genuineness than his performance on television last Thursday. I thought he was going to come out of the television screen at us at one stage. Maybe he was trying to do that to get away.

He is a ham actor.

He should have got Agriculture.

The people of this country must be taken into the confidence of the Government in relation to this debate. Otherwise it will be far too late to open up the debate on European integration. They will have to make it clear very quickly that on the economic front they will forge alliances with the other peripheral nations of Europe to challenge the centre to develop as one community with equality and justice as cornerstones of economic policy.

They will have to demand that job creation be placed on the European agenda so that investment can be encouraged away from the centre, to which it naturally gravitates, and towards the edges. They will have to ensure that Europe has a social agenda which will enable workers and citizens alike to enjoy the benefits of European economic growth.

They will have to make it clear at every level that the survival of our agriculture is important to us not just for all the crucial economic reasons but also because agriculture is part of what we are as a people. Above all they will have to make it clear on behalf of us all that we do not see the new Europe as a plaything for financiers and traders. We do not want to bring a shopping list to Europe; we want Europe to rediscover its commitment as a community of people.

On the European political front, I want this Government to open up the debate about peace, security, defence so that all the people can take part in it. I want Ireland to be able to play its full part in the developing Europe, not by sneaking off to meetings and issuing press releases saying that neutrality is still as solid as it was in de Valera's day, but by shaping a commitment to peace and security throughout the Community.

I want to say also to the Government that they must play a full and vigorous role but not one strictly limited by our self-interest. I want Ireland to be a force for good in Europe, leading the way in relation to the Third World, opposing oppression wherever it occurs, and able to take a moral stand on the great issues of the day. That may well mean the redefining of our traditional neutrality into a more active and open concept. If so, let us do it openly and by the will of the people of this country, not in the hole-in-the-corner way that has characterised the last few years.

Above all, there will be no excuse and no forgiveness for this Government if they come to the people in six or eight months time and forces through a fait accompli on Europe in a referendum. We have called again and again in this House for the opening of a real debate about European integration and what it means. The greatest crime would be to keep the people of this country in the dark until it is too late for change and debate. Ireland will be one of the few member states of Europe where a referendum will be necessary. That referendum must be conducted on the basis of full information and participation by every citizen. Otherwise it will constitute another great sellout of our legitimate national interest.

On the home front, the most immediate task facing this Government is next year's budget and the Book of Estimates due out in the next couple of weeks. Let me make the position of the Labour Party clear. If the commitment contained in the revised Programme for Government to reduce personal taxation can only be accomplished at the cost of further hacking and cutting of essential social services, then I say here and now that no reduction in personal taxation arrived at through those means would be worthwhile.

I say here and now that we will oppose, with all the resources at our command, any budget that sets out to make the health services or the homeless or those dependent on social welfare pay for a further reduction in the top rate of income tax. We will oppose any effort to make PAYE workers subsidise their own tax cuts through cuts in mortgage relief. We will oppose any effort to make the unemployed pay for fiscal rectitude through further deflation of the economy.

No Government who have chosen to preside over ostentatious displays of wealth, who have facilitated rip-offs through their own incompetence, and failed to address the ever-growing issue of tax evasion through offshore vehicles, who have bowed again and again to the lobbies of the rich and powerful, have the right or the authority to make the most defenceless and unrepresented sections of the community pay for the Government's own mismanagement.

I would like to make some comments on what I suppose are the relevant parts of the reshuffle that has taken place this morning. The former Minister for Agriculture and Food who has had, to say the least, a most uncomfortable journey over the last weeks and months, is now being transferred to Labour. From Agriculture to Labour is, of itself, a little mind boggling. I worry about Minister O'Kennedy being in charge of industrial relations in this country. I certainly hope that he has better success there than he had in Agriculture over the last number of years.

In regard to Deputy O'Hanlon, I do not think that anybody waiting to get into a hospital in this country will shed tears about Deputy O'Hanlon's departure from the Department of Health. I hope that he protects our environment better than he has protected our health services in the last number of years.

Deputy O'Rourke is departing from Education at a time when we are about to embark on a very important debate on education, on the basis of education in our society and on the control and management of education in our society. In some respects it is unfortunate that she is not left there to finish that task. Perhaps now we understand why the Green Paper had to be leaked over a number of weeks by certain newspapers before it was published. It is out there in some form now and perhaps she can bring some compassion to the area of health where it is badly needed and has been sadly lacking for the last number of years.

There is a very serious task and serious obstacles facing the Government. I looked at the Fianna Fáil backbenchers this morning when they heard the appointment of Deputies McDaid and Davern to Government. Certainly there were some very sad and bemused people leaving this Chamber. I suspect that even at this stage, the caucuses of last week may be taking place again this week.

It is too late.

It is only a matter of time, Deputy.

Give them two weeks.

I think that the Taoiseach may have yet again, in trying to get out of the hole which he has been digging for himself over the last number of years, has dug himself deeper into it.

In conclusion, we have been rather direct and blunt during the past few weeks trying to get the message across to the Taoiseach, and the message which echoed throughout the country last week when thousands of people were surveyed in the tele-polls was that the overwhelmingly majority felt the time had come for the Taoiseach, a man who has been in the political arena for over 30 years, to go. They felt the Ireland we want, the new Ireland that our young people want to live in, had passed the Taoiseach by and they would welcome an opportunity to have new politics; all of his own younger backbenchers are saying they want new politics. They want to come into the House to make a contribution to government. I put it to the Taoiseach in plaintive language, in a way that he better than anyone else would understand, I suppose going is out of the question?

I join with Deputy Spring in welcoming you, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle, back to the House and hope your hand mends.

Thank you, Deputy. I appreciate that.

The result of the past few dramatic weeks is that the Government are now inherently unstable, that Deputy Haughey is now a minority Taoiseach whose days are clearly numbered and that his own supporters chose to make the decision of the Fianna Fáil Parliamentary Party an issue of confidence in him, not just as party leader but as Taoiseach. Given that so many of his own party voted against him, it is now clear that more than 100 Members of the Dáil, two-thirds, have no confidence in Deputy Haughey as Taoiseach. Those who voted no confidence in Deputy Haughey as Taoiseach only three days ago cannot now come into the Dáil and vote confidence in him and expect to retain any shred of credibility. Even if his opponents are prepared to eat humble pie by trooping through the lobbies with their sworn enemies at the end of this debate, the indisputable fact is the Dáil, the country and the world know that Deputy Haughey is a minority Taoiseach.

The motion for the appointment of two new Members to the Cabinet comes during one of the most extraordinary phases in Irish politics experienced in recent decades. Since the story of Mr. Chris Comerford's claim to a beneficial interest in Talmino first broke in the press at the beginning of September, the country has been shocked by an unprecedented wave of scandals involving semi-State companies. We have seen the Coalition Government go to the brink over the bitter differences between the two parties arising from the negotiations on the review of the Programme for Government and we have seen the Fianna Fáil Party almost tear themselves apart in the course of a leadership battle of unprecedented viciousness.

The dismissal of two senior Ministers by the Taoiseach has only one precedent in the history of the State, and the circumstances of May 1970 were very different from those of November 1991. In many respects the reverberations of the 1970 dismissals are still being felt in Irish politics and it is likely that the events of the past two months will have a similar long term impact on our political system. The appointment of the two new Ministers may mark the end of a chapter but it is certainly not the end of the story. Neither have we heard the end of the scandals. Many questions remain to be answered by the Government about their handling of the Greencore, Telecom and Carysfort affairs. Yet more are likely to arise from the results of the various inquiries into these affairs when they are made public.

The Taoiseach can never expect to enjoy the confidence of all parties in the Dáil; no Taoiseach can expect that. However, the minimum requirement for political leadership and for the normal conduct of Government business is that the Taoiseach should at least enjoy the confidence and support of those on his own side of the House. This is clearly not so. No Taoiseach with so little support can have any credibility and no government led by a Deputy in this situation can win the confidence of the people. The credibility of Government and of the Oireachtas will suffer as long as Deputy Haughey stubbornly clings to power. It will take more than the appointment of two new Ministers and a reshuffle of the pack to breathe any credibility back into this Administration.

The cracks in Fianna Fáil which have been evident since Deputy Haughey first came to power, and which have been papered over for more than ten years, have been exposed to the light of day by the vicious leadership struggle of the past few weeks. The monolith which has dominated Irish politics almost since Independence is now fragmenting. Fianna Fáil can never hope to govern on their own again. Given their record that is no bad thing.

It is very evident also that the leadership battle within Fianna Fáil is far from over. The refusal of the three Ministers of State to resign their positions and their continued operation as a group with the two dismissed Ministers is clearly intended to show that the challenge to the authority of Deputy Haughey remains very much alive. Despite the endorsement of a majority within his party, I do not believe the Taoiseach is a fit person to be head of our Government. If there was any doubt about his suitability for office, it has been removed by the events of the past few weeks and has been confirmed by his vindictive dismissal of Deputies Geoghegan-Quinn, Smith and Treacy.

I do not have any particular sympathy for the two Ministers who have lost their jobs. They, like the other members of the Cabinet, must take their share of the blame for the appalling mess in which this country now finds itself. They made their bid for power, miscalculated badly and paid the price. Their loss will be cushioned by generous ministerial pensions and, in the case of Deputy Reynolds, he has his substantial business interests to fall back on.

I have a measure of sympathy for the three Ministers of State who are now to be given the "Charlie chop." The ranks of the Ministers of State are not exactly overburdened with talent and the three who are now to go are among the most talented and capable. Unlike Deputy Reynolds and Deputy Flynn, they were not bound by the principle of collective Cabinet responsibility. I believe they should have been free to make their positions known on the matter of their party leadership without losing their jobs. Their dismissal is, I am afraid, an example, as I said earlier, of the vindictiveness of the Taoiseach.

I am however, quite astonished at the appointment of the two new members of Cabinet. Slavering unquestioning loyalty to Deputy Haughey seems to have been the criterion used rather than talent or ability. Both Deputies Davern and McDaid have had fairly undistinguished careers, to put it mildly, as Government backbenchers rarely, if ever, contributing to Dáil debates. On the few occasions on which Deputy Davern has spoken, he has invariably managed to lower the tone of the proceedings. When it comes to smears he is the man who is sent in to say what the Taoiseach thinks but is afraid to say himself. There is no rock too low for him to crawl under and no sewer too putrid for him to explore. His vicious and untrue attack on a member of the Dáil staff of The Workers' Party during the recent confidence debate is simply the worst example of the sort of tactics which have become his trade mark. I cannot think of a worse role model in this House for our school children.

Hear, hear.

God help the itinerants.

The Taoiseach's decision to appoint a card carrying member of the Fianna Fáil backwoodsmen as Minister for Education is one of the most cynical decisions he has ever made. Those who over a long period have been working for change in education, both inside and outside this House, now, unfortunately, have an ignoramus as Minister for Education. I am not given to abuse in this House but I cannot think of any other description which fits the appointment today as Minister for Education——

I fully support the Deputy.

Deputy De Rossa, nóimead amháin, I am convinced that you have the capacity for using a more parliamentary word.

I honestly cannot think of one. I have sat for ten years in this House and watched Deputy Davern operate and I cannot honestly think of a more appropriate term to describe that person.

What are people in Northern Ireland to make of the appointment of Deputy McDaid to the sensitive position of Minister for Defence? We will now have as our Defence Minister a man who only 18 months ago was seen chairing from the environs of the Four Courts a man who had successfully evaded extradition to Northern Ireland to face very serious charges there arising from the Provisional IRA campaign of violence. What message does this convey to the victims of violence in Northern Ireland? What message do the Progressive Democrats believe that this appointment will convey? Can they really stand over it? We cannot blithely allow appointments of this kind to be made without taking into account the effect they will have on the politics of this country, either internally or externally.

They also tried to give him a false alibi; he swore an affidavit in the High Court.

I do not believe that a change of leadership in Fianna Fáil will bring about any significant change in Government policy but at least it would remove the cloud of uncertainty which has cast a shadow over this Administration.

I hope it would also unlock the decision-making progress and allow those decisions which need to be made to be actually taken. My understanding is that with all the internal turmoil, little or no progress has been made on the preparation of the Estimates for next year. Everyone accepts that, given the major miscalculations by Deputy Reynolds in his budget last January, we face a particularly severe difficulty next year. Government Ministers have, effectively, been paralysed by indecision over the last few weeks.

Local authorities have still not received the notification of the level of their rates support grants for next year, yet they are legally obliged to have their estimates published by the end of this week. A dispute which has caused enormous disruption to the courts system has been allowed to drag on and now threatens to spread into the wider public service, yet the Minister for Justice has done nothing to seek a settlement.

We face a crucially important EC Summit at Maastricht next month, yet there was neither a Minister nor Minister of State present at the important meeting of EC Finance Ministers on Monday. The principal reason for all this has been the internal turmoil in Fianna Fáil.

It is significant that it was his performance during Question Time last week when he failed to provide a satisfactory explanation as to the nature of his meetings with Mr. Bernie Cahill, or to clarify the contradictions between versions of the May 1990 meeting given by him and Mr. Cahill, that provoked the Taoiseach's own backbenchers into tabling the motion of no confidence.

I believe the Taoiseach emerged more discredited and dishonoured than ever by his attempts to smear Opposition Deputies who had posed perfectly legitimate questions to him.

The Taoiseach has been complaining bitterly about being hounded about the Greencore affair, but the necessity for the Opposition to pursue him on this is totally due to his evasion, his refusal to answer questions and his downright dishonesty with the House.

The little information we have been able to extract from the Taoiseach has thrown a little light on the extraordinary Haughey style of Government, a system of Government where the Taoiseach meets the chairman of a major semi-State company in his own home, without the presence of the relevant Government Ministers or civil servants; "official" meetings in respect of which no minutes were taken, or record of decisions taken. Is it any wonder that the Opposition and the public doubt the reliability and credibility of such a Government?

Since the Dáil resumed last month the Taoiseach has attempted to smear Opposition Deputies who have posed questions which he finds uncomfortable. Deputy Rabbitte and myself were subjected to this tactic during the confidence debate and Deputy Spring was given the same treatment last week. These tactics represent a new low in the history of this House. Supporters of the Taoiseach, in their more flamboyant moments, like to compare him to Charles Stewart Parnell. Perhaps they should now accept that a more legitimate comparison would be with another figure of 100 years ago, the notorious character assassin, William Piggot, who played such a central role in the smearing of Parnell.

To add to the public concern we now have the allegations made at the Fianna Fáil Parliamentary Party meeting at the weekend of illicit surveillance and telephone tapping. If, as the allegations seemed to imply, these allegations were directed against public servants then it is not just a matter for the Fianna Fáil Party, but for the Government and the Dáil. I hope that Deputy Reynolds and the others who made these allegations in the privacy of the party meeting will now come into the Dáil and place whatever evidence they have before the House.

In this context, I welcome the categorical assurance given by the Minister for Justice yesterday that no telephone of any Member of the Oireachtas is now the subject of a warrant authorising tapping. Ministers for Justice have up to this refused to give a specific assurance that Oireachtas Members' telephones were not tapped. The Minister's assurance is a step forward and I hope he will give an assurance that no Oireachtas Member's telephone will be tapped in the future.

While it is understandable that the main focus of media, political and public opinion has been the dramatic spate of scandals and the Government reaction to these, this has served to divert attention from the performance of the Government in the whole economic and social areas. It is also meant that the review of the Programme for Government did not get anything like the attention it merited and indeed it is deplorable that neither Fianna Fáil nor the Progressive Democrats thought it appropriate to bring it before the Dáil for debate and critical assessment.

It is now almost a year since the Taoiseach urged the Fianna Fáil faithful to go away and tell the public about what the Taoiseach called the "economic miracle" his Government had performed. Twelve months on, it is clear that the economic miracle has proved to be the mirage we suggested it would be. Unemployment has grown to its highest ever level; there is a desperate battle among the young to get visas for the United States to escape from this country; economic growth has disappeared; the budget figures are in disarray; the health services are entering another winter on the verge of collapse; schools are being kept open by parents digging into their own pockets and the local authority housing lists are growing longer by the day. Indeed it is worth reiterating the point made by Deputy John Bruton that our services for people with mental handicap are deplorable. Parents are sitting at home in quiet desperation wondering whether they will get places for their adult mentally handicapped children who are not capable of looking after themselves. These parents fear dying and leaving their children without a safe place in which to stay.

If there is any one issue, one problem, one area which sums up the utter failure of this Government, it must be unemployment. Again we have the shameful honour of having the highest rate of unemployment of the 12 member states of the European Community, twice the Community average. Have the Government any idea of the misery caused by unemployment? Have they any idea of the families being destroyed by unemployment?

Many members of the public, I am sure, felt a twinge of sympathy for the two Government Ministers who lost their jobs in the past week, but I am sure that the touching photographs of Deputy Reynolds children chipping in to buy dad a little gift to cheer him up after he lost his job — just a little £50,000 Jaguar to take his mind off the job loss — produced a hollow laugh among the 40,000 people who had been added to the dole queues during his last 12 months as Minister for Finance, largely as a result of the economic policies of which the same Deputy was the chief architect; not for them the consolation of a new car, but the realisation that they will probably have to sell a car, if they have one, to meet the mortgage or the rent. Not for them the comfortable cushion of a family business to fall back on, but the miserable reality of life on the dole.

Apart from the moral and social arguments for combating unemployment, it is also very clear that there is an unanswerable economic argument for urgent action to deal with the problem. Unemployment is penalising not just the unemployed, but every citizen of the State.

The burden on the economy, arising from unemployment, is now so great that there does not seem to be any way in which the economy can be restored to full health until the majority of those on the dole queues are put back into productive work. It is now generally acknowledged that a major factor contributing to the Government's budget figures being so off target is the growth in unemployment.

The full cost to the Exchequer of unemployment is notoriously hard to compute, but from official figures it is possible to establish that the direct cost in terms of additional social welfare payments and income tax foregone is at least £2,300 million. According to the summary of public expenditure transfers from the Exchequer to the unemployed was, this year, to amount to £744 million. However, as unemployment is about 15 per cent higher than forecast this is likely to reach around £860 million.

The average amount paid in income tax by PAYE workers last year was just £3,300. On the basis of that figure, if the 260,000 on the dole were put back to work it would bring in an additional £858 million. On the same basis, putting the unemployment back to work would bring in around £670 million in PRSI. This gives a total of £2,388 million or around £680 for every man, woman and child in the State. To this must be added indirect losses to the State, such as lower VAT and excise returns arising from the reduced purchasing power of the unemployed, lower rent returns to local authorities because of the structure of the differential rent system, extra health costs, supplementary welfare payments and so on. We can only speculate as to the cost of these elements, but when they are taken into account, the total cost of unemployment is likely to be closer to £3,000 million.

Shocking as these figures are, they are only part of the picture. Of even more significance is the human and social cost, the families broken, the lives destroyed and talents wasted by the scourge of unemployment. The abandonment by successive Governments of the unemployed is reaping a bitter harvest of poverty, crime, vandalism and social alienation. This is so in rural and urban areas, where unemployment is demoralising and destroying entire communities. The utter failure on unemployment has been the greatest possible indictment of the record of all recent Governments. It is an appalling reflection on our values as a society that unemployment has not been below 100,000 since 1980 and has never been below 200,000 since 1984.

The picture is getting worse. Reputable economists have forecast that unemployment will reach 300,000 by next year and perhaps 325,000 by the following year. The recently published labour force survey clearly contradicts the claim by the Government that the rise in unemployment can be attributed to returning emigrants and school leavers coming on the labour market for the first time. The labour force survey shows that in April of this year there were 5,000 fewer people in employment than at the same point in the previous year, and that there were 31,000 more unemployed than in April 1990. The growth in unemployment is even greater than that suggested by the live register figures which showed an increase of 27,000 between April 1990 and April 1991.

These figures relate to April of this year and all the indications are that the picture has worsened considerably since then, with 20,000 having been added to the live register total. The Government have consistently argued that, despite the increase in the live register figures, there were more people at work and that the growth in unemployment was simply due to the returning emigrants and school leavers. The Central Statistics Office figures blow a big hole in that theory.

The Minister with Cabinet responsibility for industrial development which is the key to job creation, is the Minister for Industry and Commerce and leader of the Progressive Democrats, Deputy O'Malley. It is one of the great ironies of political life that the scandals and the turmoil within Fianna Fáil have allowed him to evade the attention and public odium that should be focused on him for his abysmal failure in this area.

With unemployment at unprecedented levels and warnings of worse to come, one would have expected that job creation would have been the central issue in the negotiations on the review of the Programme for Government. Instead, it appears to have hardly figured at all. The priority for the Progressive Democrats was clearly to get the upper rate of tax down to 44 per cent. This means that people like Michael Smurfit and Dermot Desmond will be paying tax at the same rate as workers on the average industrial wage. The super-rich in Irish society, who once paid tax at a rate of 80 per cent will now, when they pay tax at all, be able to escape at a rate of 44 per cent and will no doubt be eternally grateful to Deputy O'Malley and his colleagues for this.

The unemployed have considerably less cause for joy. The review offers not one new idea or initiative for job creation and the partners in Government have clearly decided that an unemployment level in excess of 260,000 is quite acceptable. The Workers' Party reject the notion that such levels of unemployment can become the norm in our society. Unemployment must be treated as the national economic and social disaster it is. We must force whatever Government are in power to give it the priority it merits. No Government who tolerate such levels of unemployment and turn a blind eye to the plight of the unemployed deserves either the confidence of the Dáil or the respect of the public. What is needed is not just a change of faces around the Cabinet table, but a radical change in policies which will treat unemployment as the social and economic disaster it is. Tonight my party will be voting against the appointments and treating this vote as one of no confidence in the Government.

First, I would like to associate myself with the remarks made by the Taoiseach this morning in gratitude to Deputy Albert Reynolds, former Minister for Finance, and Deputy Pádraig Flynn, former Minister for the Environment. I want to pay tribute to them for the work they did for this country over a long and difficult period in which they impacted very heavily in their own spheres to bring about an improved situation in this country. I would like also to take this opportunity to welcome to Government Deputies McDaid and Davern and the new Airí Stáit, Deputies Michael Kitt, Dermot Ahern and O'Donoghue. I cannot let the occasion pass without paying tribute to the Airí Stáit, Deputies Máire Geoghegan-Quinn, Michael Smith and Noel Treacy, three bright young Ministers of State who will no doubt, with the two former Ministers whom I have mentioned, contribute substantively to the political and economic life of this country in the future.

I have had the honour of serving in a number of Governments and with a number of different portfolios since 1977, and I am honoured to have an opportunity to continue to serve to the best of my ability. The Taoiseach has put together in the new Government a judicious mixture of change and continuity, in my opinion a sound balance for a Government who have onerous tasks to face and difficult problems to solve. We came to Government in 1987 and fielded a team — if I may use the metaphor used by the Leader of Fine Gael, Deputy John Bruton — that any impartial judge of the economic and political scene would have to say worked well, with the inclusion of two Progressive Democrats Ministers in 1989. A good, sound, experienced team was needed at that time, and a good, sound, experienced team is now being put before Dáil Éireann for its approval.

Deputy Bruton mentioned Jack Charlton as a successful motivator and manager of a football team. I do not know why the Deputy did not choose Seán Boylan from his own county, the successful and innovative manager of the Meath football team. However, chacun a son gout, as they say in my constituency. It is worth having a look at the scene in 1987 in terms of the footballing metaphor. We took over when the team of the previous Government, as published, showed eight places being filled by four players. This reality of what we found in 1987: the then Taoiseach placed his team and four of them were filling eight different places. Mr. Jack Charlton has a reasonable budget with which to manage his team and, if I may remind Deputy Bruton, so had Mr. Seán Boylan. What did we find? We found that the outgoing managers had left us with a £26 billion debt and the kitty was bare. This was not, you will admit, the most ideal circumstances in which to put a team in the field — Ministers with two portfolios, Government documents piled high on the Cabinet table because of this vacillation, this aboulia, this lack of ability to make decisions, admittedly caused through tension in Cabinet. The then Minister for Health refused to move, in other words the Captain wanted to improve his team and the players told him to go to hell. Poor Minister Hussey crying into her diary at night as a result of the activities of the then Taoiseach.

We have had a solid Government that made solid progress since 1987 and we have two and a half years to go and, as I said already, a good sound team in the field to bring about the changes and improvements which are necessary in our society. Because I have a belief in the sound common sense of Members of Dáil Éireann, I know that Dáil Éireann will tonight approve of this team. We have a Programme for Government, which has been published and agreed between the Fianna Fáil and Progressive Democrat Members in Government and that programme is the mise en scéne for the next two and a half years. The Government are committed to putting into effect the policies proposed in that programme. There are high objectives in that Programme for Government. I am proud to say that we have already achieved a low inflation rate, if anyone takes the trouble to look at the currencies in the league of the EMS he will see that our currency is stable. That we are competitive is proved by the fact that, despite adverse economic conditions in Europe and in the USA, our exports are still going very strongly indeed. Facing the momentous decisions involved in the Maastricht meeting and the scenario in Europe, all parties in this House have an obligation to apply themselves seriously to policies and to give up, what I have been listening to on my way in, personality attacks in this House, which are unworthy of anybody, particularly a leader of a political party.

We have to work on the Estimates, and we have been working on them. Let me say this, and I said it elsewhere, over the past several weeks we have been working in Government on these Estimates and the Taoiseach and the former Minister for Finance have been collaborating in that regard. In fact, I thought I might have been able to set up a little division between them to the advantage of the Estimate for my Department but I failed on that count because they have been committed to a very strong, strict and stringent budget, as the world knows now. In fact, I was reflecting on the most suitable word for the new Minister for Finance and I remember that a Foreign Minister of a very powerful country made his name by saying "Nyet". I think the whole policy of the Department of Finance, and the right one — despite the fact that I might be losing out for my own Department — could be summed up at this moment in the one word "Nyet" because that is the general consensus.

I have spoken already in this House about the Programme for Economic and Social Progress; I said that when the economic history of this period is being written the greatest tribute should go to the present Taoiseach and his entourage for the successful co-operative working policy they developed with the social partners from the first programme in 1987 to the new programme. I know that some countries, one of which I am a student, Spain, tried to get agreement with the social partners and failed. I have great admiration for the President of that country, Mr. Felipe Gonzalez, but he failed because he could not get the social partners, employers, workers, etc. on his side. That is an economic marker for the future which will not go away.

It is well known that we have a problem now. The Government and the social partners have to get together in view of the changed and changing circumstances and whatever comes out of it, the idea of economic consensus should prevail because there is no other way that this country can improve economically and socially than by the process of co-operation — Níl neart go cur le chéile. It must be said that unemployment is the most important single factor in the future development of our economy.

I know, and there are Members who know better than I, of economies which did achieve full employment based on psuedo-foundations and I regret to say that those countries have come to a state of economic chaos and I hope that is only a passing phase. I come from an area where there is high emigration — as I have mentioned already I am one of seven, five of whom, myself included, had to emigrate at some stage but we did not whine about it. I am glad to say we all come back and are all living in Ireland and have raised our families here. Our objective must be the creation of employment and the lessening of emigration. It is easy to mouth "full employment" but it is difficult to achieve and it must be based on solid economic progress.

We have tough decisions to make in Government. The Minister for Finance will have a very heavy burden to bear, but the July correction has steadied the finances of the country and we expect a 2 per cent overrun which, although not desirable, is a lot better than what the prophets of doom have been forecasting for our economy. I am talking about two per cent without benefit of the moneys we got from Irish Life. We know what happened during the year; we know why we have again to consult our partners about the Programme for Economic and Social Progress; we know that the economy of the United Kingdom took a dive, as did that of the United States; we know that the Gulf War had an impact on the position. We have an open economy, which is to our credit, and in order to survive we have to remain competitive. We cannot insulate ourselves. Through European transfers we have received considerable aid in the recent past, we continue to receive considerable aid and we know that that will continue in the future. We expect an upswing in the economy and we will have in place a team ready to take advantage of that. We know that if we can reach the proper consensus with the social partners we will be in a competitive position to take advantage of that upswing.

As I came into the House I heard Deputy De Rossa talking about Piggot. It is unworthy of Deputy De Rossa to mention our Taoiseach's name and that of Piggot at the same time. If I were put to it to think of people who were collaborating with foreign Governments to do damage to their own country, as Piggot was, I certainly would not look towards the Taoiseach in this House.

I thought I was dreaming, but I know that I was not, when I heard Deputy Bruton talking about a Coalition of Fine Gael, The Labour Party and The Workers' Party to provide a Government for this country. To propose such a collection of scallwags — a rogues' gallery comprised of people with different philosophies, different beliefs and different motives — as something out of which one could make a team, alias a Government, to run this country passes all understanding. I cannot but think that, despite managing to conceal it fairly carefully in the House, Deputy Bruton has an advanced sense of humour that goes with his very distinctive laugh. A Tower of Babel such as that could in no way speak to the people of Ireland, let alone lead them to economic prosperity.

I hope that we have left the personalities and the individual attacks on honourable Members of this House, from whatever side of the House, aside and that we will develop unanimity with regard to the development of our economy.

Tá Súil agam go mbeidh sé sin amhlaidh. Níl a fhios agam. Mar a deireann siad, tá daoine eile ann agus tuairimí eagsúla acu agus beidh cuid mhaith ag brath orthu. Tá a fhios agam go dtabharfaidh na Teachtaí sa Teach seo tacaíocht don Rialtas nua len a vótaí anocht.

Two major issues, one national and one local, arise with regard to the ministerial appointments that we are asked to approve here today. The Taoiseach has appointed as his new Minister of Defence, Donegal Deputy Jim McDaid. I do not know Deputy McDaid, so anything I say about his appointment is not said with any sense of personal animosity. The Taoiseach, Deputy Charles J. Haughey, has appointed Deputy McDaid to one of the senior security posts in this State. As Minister for Defence, Deputy McDaid, with the Taoiseach and the Minister for Justice, will sit on the Cabinet committee on State security. He will be involved in decisions on most vital and sensitive matters of State security. In that context, I now want to hear from Deputy McDaid — Minister McDaid if today's vote goes through — his views on Northern Ireland, on the Provisional IRA and on extradition.

He is from Northern Ireland, you know.

That is irrelevant. I am interested in the rule of law. I am interested in the security of this State and I am interested in those involved at ministerial level with the security of the State being completely committed to the rule of law.

There are questions arising from Deputy McDaid's appointment, which I do not raise in any personal sense. I should like to know about the case last year in which he gave evidence on behalf of a Provo, or an alleged Provo. If I recollect correctly, that case was the McIntyre case——

It was Clarke.

A convicted Provo.

Thank you. What was Deputy McDaid doing at that time, providing alibi evidence in a court of law on behalf of a Provo? I should also like to know what he was doing with anti-extradition demonstrators last year in this very city, if my recollection is correct, taking part in an anti-extradition demonstration. I could not be happy or satisfied with this appointment, in particular because of its relevance to State security, until those questions are cleared up.

If my recollection of Deputy McDaid's involvement in those matters is correct then I can only ask the Taoiseach, who is now proposing Deputy McDaid for appointment as Minister for Defence, whether he has taken leave of his senses? What kind of signal is the Taoiseach sending out by appointing Deputy McDaid as Minister for Defence, the most important security post in the country? We all know of the difficulties being experienced at the moment in getting the stalled talks on Northern Ireland under way again. I thought that all of us were completely committed to giving what help we could to get the Brooke initiative talks under way immediately. We are all horrified at the continuing violence and sectarian deaths. I want to know from the Taoiseach, who has the responsibility of course, what kind of signal he is sending to the unionists in Northern Ireland by making such an appointment. What kind of a signal is he sending to the Chief of Staff of our Army and to his officers and men, all of whom have sworn an oath of loyalty to the Constitution and whose job it is to uphold that Constitution and the rule of law when needed by way of support for the civil power? What signal is being given to our people in the Army who have loyally upheld that oath down through the years? The Taoiseach owes the House an explanation and, if for no other reason, until I hear a satisfactory explanation there is no possible way I could support this motion.

I mentioned that there was one local matter arising from the appointments. On behalf of the people of Cork I must protest at the appointments. The Haughey vendetta against Cork continues. Today the Taoiseach has missed another opportunity — once again he has given the back of his hand to the people of Cork. At election time I compete for votes with my constituency colleague, Deputy Joe Walsh. Let me honestly put on record my firm belief that, man for man, or woman, Deputy Walsh would be a more effective Cabinet Minister than most of those now included in the present administration. Therefore, the Taoiseach does not have the excuse that he has no suitable applicant from Cork. Deputy Walsh had the temerity at one time to belong to the original club of 22. The Taoiseach may forget about many things, including meetings with chairman of boards and things like that but he does not forgive or forget those who in any way cross him in so far as his personal power, vanity and ambition are concerned. In his eyes, Deputy Walsh obviously has not purged his guilt by his support over the past weekend. Therefore, the claims of Ireland's largest county and second city once again are ignored: the vital interests of Cork will continue to be ignored by this administration. Let me say very clearly to the Taoiseach and this administration, it will not be forgotten when the opportunity arises.

What about Wicklow? Never in the history of Fianna Fáil was a Government Minister appointed representing Wicklow.

Everybody must fight their own corner even in counties that would return four Deputies as opposed to counties that return 20 Deputies.

In a general sense, this Government, whose energies are expended on survival, cannot even begin to address the horrendous problems that confront this country. Week by week we have had revelation after revelation, scandal after scandal.

Last month we debated a motion of no confidence in the Government. Fianna Fáil and the Progressive Democrats papered over the cracks then but that did not put an end to uncertainty and instability. No doubt the cracks will be papered over again today and a combination of Haughey loyalists, cowed assenters, ambitious successors, beaten dissidents and progressive democratic moralists will carry the day. A more unlikely combination for effective Government is hard to imagine. I say that because this Government will continue to operate in the sure knowledge of further revelations which inevitably will lead to a continuation of instability and uncertainty. One might well ask why I am so sure. The lines of a poem from my school days sum up my view: "The truth is great and shall prevail; when all is done the lie shall rot". We have been served with a recipe of half truths, evasions and deceptions over the last two months. Satisfactory answers have not been given to direct questions; so far ministerial responsibility has been evaded; the quest for the truth goes on and on. As long as the Taoiseach and the Government are less than forthcoming on these issues — by the way that includes Carysfort College — until such time as the full facts come to light the Government stand indicted before the people. The 70 per cent resign vote for the Taoiseach in the RTE telepoll on last Saturday confirms this view.

They were busy on the telephone.

They will be much busier today with the results.

I would remind Deputies that Deputy Jim O'Keeffe should be allowed to proceed without interruption. I would remind the Deputy that he has until 1.05 p.m. only.

I had some concern, as I mentioned in the House last Thursday morning, about telephones when I was pressing for the introduction of legislation to prevent telephone tapping. It appears that those concerns I expressed on Thursday last were well founded. However, that is another issue.

The Deputy need not fret.

Let me be specific and provide one example of which I have first-hand knowledge. Last Wednesday the Taoiseach answered questions dealing with his famour meeting with Chairman Bernie Cahill of Greencore. I refer to the meeting of May of last year rather than the four other meetings to which he now admits. Having denied that he had ever made representations or suggestions in relation to advisers, in particular NCB, the Taoiseach went on to say, as reported at columns 405/406 of the Official Report of that day:

Chairman Cahill said, very specifically and clearly, that I did not make any representation or suggestions to him about the list of advisers——

Yet the truth of the matter is that Chairman Cahill said no such thing. I can vouch for that fact in that I closely questioned chairman Cahill on this very issue. Having given fulsome replies to my other questions he failed on three occasions to answer the specific question as to whether the Taoiseach had proposed, supported, approved or in any way, directly or indirectly, sought the nomination of NCB as brokers of the company.

Therefore, two clear conclusions can be drawn. The clear inference of the failure of chairman Cahill to reply to the direct question is that the Taoiseach did in fact advocate the appointment of NCB as brokers to the company. If there is any question about this, it is all on video; I saw it on a "Today Tonight" programme. Furthermore, since chairman Cahill did not reply to these questions the Taoiseach then misled the House when he stated that the chairman specifically and clearly confirmed that he did not make any representions or suggestions to him about the list of advisers.

At a later stage in that Question Time on Wednesday last the Taoiseach came to a breath-taking conclusion, when he stated, as reported in columns 312/3 of the Official Report:

He and I are both prepared to confirm to any tribunal anywhere in this country that I made no recommendations or suggestions about that list.

Having incorrectly informed the House as to what chairman Cahill said in the past at the Greencore extraordinary general meeting, he now has the presumption to tell us what chairman Cahill will swear to a tribunal in the future. I believe that the Taoiseach, Deputy Charles J. Haughey, will live to regret that presumption.

I do not intend to dwell on the myriad of other scandals directly afflicting this Government and, indirectly, our country. Yet, other than in the speeches of Deputy John Bruton, Leader of the Opposition, no attention has been paid, no comment made and no action taken to deal with the biggest scandal of all. I refer, of course, to the 265,000 of our people without a job. What we witnessed recently, following the efforts to stave off the collapse of this Government were the political energies of Fianna Fáil devoted totally to saving the job of one man, that is the job of the Taoiseach, Deputy Charles J. Haughey. The fact that he was able to hold on to that job is no consolation whatever to the hundreds of thousands of our people without a job. In fact, it is pretty much a guarantee that nothing will be done about their plight.

The clear message that came through last weekend from Fianna Fáil is that their primary interest is the future of the Fianna Fáil Party. Indeed, it was interesting and somewhat sad to see those who appeared to be making considerable career sacrifices do so in the interests, as they stated, of the Fianna Fáil Party rather than pro bono publico, in the interests of poor old mother Ireland, which is totally forgotten in all those scandals, in all these convulsions and totally forgotten by the Fianna Fáil Party and the Progressive Democrats.

I suppose I should mention the Progressive Democrats at this stage before they disappear from the political scene. I honestly found some grain of truth in their assertions in the past that they were part of the solution to our problems. Now that the Progressive Democrats continue to prop up an incompetent and discredited Taoiseach they have become part of the problem. They cannot now, or henceforth, wash their hands of the more unsavoury aspects of this Government. As they also cling on to power they will have to suffer the consequences. Pontius Pilate was regarded as a saint in the Coptic Church in Ethiopia. I do not detect any strong movement for his canonisation in Ireland. Perhaps that should be a warning to the Progressive Democrats as once again they attempt to wash their hands and distance themselves from the discredited aspects and incompetent failures of this administration. It will not wash any more. They cannot carry on as provisional Fianna Fáil while continuing to prop up the leader of that party, the Taoiseach, Deputy Charles J. Haughey.

As we face in to a bleak winter we now have an administration which is both incompetent and discredited. The claims of a virtual economic miracle sound very hollow to the hundreds of thousands out of work. They bring no comfort to our business people whose confidence at the moment is eroded to nil. The expectations of our farmers who have been battered and buffeted with economic gales over the past two years are now sub-zero.

In the social area this Government have succeeded in extending the delays for hip operations to almost three years in some parts of the country. A GP with a substantial rural practice told me last weekend that he expected some of his patients on the waiting list to be dead before they were called for the operation. I myself had a constituent in to my clinic seeking such an operation who had been told that it will take at least six months before she is seen so that she can be even put on the waiting list.

And to complete the sorry picture we have the liberal agenda catered for by the parties in Government who have engaged in agonised hair-splitting over condoms. In the Foreign Affairs area we have the promise of an insight into Government policy on the future of Europe by way of a White Paper after completion of the present negotiations and the sorry spectacle of broken promises to the starving poor of the Third World.

The soiled and sorry record of this Government gives me no confidence that a sea-change can now take place. Shuffling the deck to accommodate the vindictiveness of the Taoiseach towards those who dare to suggest that like other old age pensioners he should retire is no prescription for a solution to our problems. The spider remains at the centre of the web with a strengthened strand following the capitulation of the Progressive Democrats, who prefer to remain in office despite the evidence which mounts every day that this country would be better served by a new administration.

This Government have been on autopilot for months past. They will so continue like the rabbit mesmerised by the beam of the dazzler, unable to move, unable to perform and anxiously awaiting the next misfortune which is about to befall them.

The record of this Government is soiled, sorry and shabby. Last weekend we had an exercise in alleged democracy which was reminiscent of similar events in Europe of the thirties. The decision which the Taoiseach extracted from his reluctant party does not change one iota the underlying economic disasters which still confront our country or the record of scandals which have unfolded with such remarkable regularity over the last few months.

We are assured of various investigations and inquiries. Where are the investigations and inquiries into ministerial responsibility? There are many defects in the American system but if this kind of thing were brought to light there they would have committees to investigate fully and they would get at the truth. We do not have that system here, and there is a continuation of the efforts to cover up, to pawn people off with half-truths and to continue to live the lie with deception and evasion.

I have no confidence in the Taoiseach. My view is shared by the majority of the Members of this House and by a majority of the people. I have no confidence in a Government led by him, all the Members of which, either on the basis of direct involvement or collective responsibility, share in the guilt. The proposed changes will not change the position one iota. Unless there are satisfactory explanations in relation to the appointment of Deputy Jim McDaid to the Ministry of Defence, it will change things very much for the worse.

I am glad of the opportunity to speak and to support the proposals made by the Taoiseach this morning. I want to reflect on my time in the Department of Education, to pay tribute to some Members of the House and to sketch where I feel we will be going in the future. I listened with interest to Deputy O'Keeffe when he spoke of the vicious contenders.

I said "ambitious".

I was wondering. The Deputy has a fine turn of flowery language and a facility with words, although I do not agree with anything he said.

The appointments proposed by the Taoiseach, the changes in the portfolios of incumbents and the two new Cabinet appointments, reflect highly on his imagination and initiative. He has shown care and skill in fitting particular people for certain portfolios on the basis of experience gained or future potential. I have been in the Department of Education for nearly four years and nine months and before that I was spokesperson on education for over four years. For many years before that I was teaching. Anybody who is a parent realises that raising children is the greatest education of all. The years spent in Marlborough Street have been some of the happiest of my life and while I relish the challenges which lie ahead, I cannot help but look back with nostalgia on the years spent there. I intend to maintain the open door policy which operated in the Department of Education during my tenure.

I wish to pay sincere tribute to my former constituency colleague, Deputy Albert Reynolds. Longford and Westmeath are now divided into two separate constituencies but for many years we shared these counties together as the standard bearers for Fianna Fáil, along with the former Deputy Henry Abbott. We always managed to co-operate amiably within our separate and different counties. I have no doubt whatsoever that at some stage we will be welcoming back Deputy Reynolds to a prominent position in Government. The same goes for my former Cabinet colleague, Deputy Pádraig Flynn, who left an indelible mark on the conduct of local government affairs during his tenure of office as Minister for the Environment. He introduced much legislation into the House and showed skill and imagination in various matters. He initiated the process of reform of local government in the Act leading up to the local elections this year. The legacy he has left to his successor, Deputy Rory O'Hanlon, is the further reform of local government.

I particularly welcome Deputy Noel Davern to the Department of Education and wish him much good luck. I am sure he has the ideal personality and capability for this position. One needs in that job an openness and a capacity for hard work and in particular a capacity not to get bogged down in the often quite severe grinding nature of daily work. One needs both to keep at it and to stand back from it. I have no doubt that Deputy Davern has those attributes and charateristics in abundant supply. I know he will work very well with the officials in the Department of Education. The Green Paper on Education has been published and naturally he will want to examine it and perhaps put his stamp on it. I am satisfied that much has been achieved in the education area over the past number of years. I know Deputy Davern will carry on this work and will put his stamp on the various initiatives he will undertake.

I would like, in all modesty, to put some of my achievements as Minister for Education on the record. As I have not had an opportunity to listen to the debate so far I do not know how other Ministers have dealt with such issues. One of the highlights of my term of office was the introduction of the home-school liaison scheme. Initially these teachers were appointed to primary schools and the scheme was extended this year to second level schools. I believe this scheme will prove to be one of the most important developments in education. These fully qualified teachers spend their time on what could be called pastoral duties — they visit homes to talk to parents and children, encourage parents to become involved in their children's education and encourage children to become involved in various activities both in school and outside school. They always give a sense of community involvement in school activities.

Up to September of this year 80 schools were participating in this scheme either on a single or shared basis. I know this is one of the schemes Deputy Davern will wish to add to in the years ahead. By coincidence, last night in the House I met a vocational school principal from Cork — Deputy O'Keeffe's favourite county. His school have just become involved in the scheme and he is very keen to get it underway and develop it. Nowadays education is not merely a matter of what happens in classrooms, it also involves the wider community it seeks to serve. Parents can play a major role in this regard.

In this context I should like to refer to the work done by both Gemma Hussey and Paddy Cooney, MEP, during their terms of office as Minister for Education. In 1985 Gemma Hussey set up the primary and post-primary tier of the National Parents' Council and gave it funding for its first year. I was glad to be able to revive the funding element of that council. In the meantime the parents forged ahead with their work and forged great links with other councils. This has given parents great insight into how they can contribute as much as teachers and management to the education of their children. Parents' councils have now been established in almost every parish in the country. Their involvement in local schools is of enormous benefit to pupils.

I wish to refer to the National Council for Curriculum and Assessment. Again I must pay tribute to Gemma Hussey who set up this council. I reconstituted them as an advisory council to me. They have been very successful in pioneering the junior certificate course. Students will sit this examination, which combines both the group certificate and intermediate certificate, for the first time in June 1992. At present a committee under the Chairmanship of Dr. Tom Murphy are considering the objectives of assessment. He is also chairman of the National Council for Curriculum and Assessment and the Primary Education Review Body. I should like to pay tribute to Dr. Murphy, ex-president of UCD, for the excellent work he has done in this area. At a time when most people would have been glad to shrug off extra duties he joyfully took on the role as chairman of the Primary Education Review Body. They produced a splended report last December and half of their 107 recommendations have been implemented.

I should also like to pay tribute to Moya Quinlan, former chairperson of the NCCA and to the people who serve in a voluntary capacity on the many bodies and committees in the education area. They are not paid for their work and they are to be applauded for their great input to the development of education. I should also like to pay tribute to all the groups with which I worked during my nine years as Minister for Education. Of course, parents are the primary educators of their children. I have formed bonds of friendship with people in many areas of education, parents, various union bodies, the INTO, the TUI, the ASTI and IFUT. Even though these bodies were very clear about their objectives and work, they responded at all times to the open door policy of education I instituted. I am very happy to be able to say that I met all the groups who asked to meet me to discuss education matters, for example, managerial bodies — the JVEA, the JMB and the C&C — the colleges of education, the vocational education committees, Avocational education committee, the regional colleges and the Dublin Institute of Technology.

Legislation dealing with the regional colleges and the Dublin Institute of Technology is now on the floor of the House and Deputy Davern will get his baptism as Minister for Education tomorrow when the Second Stage debate on those Bills is resumed. I was glad, as Minister for Education to be able to introduce these two pieces of legislation in the House. The setting up of two new universities, Dublin City University and the University of Limerick, was very significant from my point of view. A Minister for Education seldom has the opportunity to set up one new university, let alone two new universities. I regard this as a particular honour. Both these universities are fulfilling their role of excellence in the provision of third level education.

I want to pay tribute to all the people who worked so hard on the Green Paper. In this regard I want to pay particular tribute to Dr. John Coolahan of Maynooth University who helped in the compilation of the paper. I am sure Deputy Davern will wish to look at the Green Paper. As he will also bring forward the White Paper and the legislation it is only natural that he would examine the Green Paper very carefully and perhaps put his stamp on it.

I also want to pay tribute to all the officials in the Department of Education, the previous secretary, Declan Brennan, and the present secretary, Noel Lindsay. Their commitment to their work was outstanding. They have an extraordinary capacity for hard work and an eagerness to serve the public. Deputy O'Keeffe spoke about pro bono publico. The Department of Education is the busiest of all the Government Departments because of the relentless nature of the work they undertake and the queries they deal with. They are aware at all times that they are serving the public.

When I went into the Department there were huge difficulties facing me. I remember sitting at the table in my office that first evening and wondering how I was going to manage and what I was going to do. I decided the best thing to do was not to change and not to acquire any notions of pomp — if I was inclined to do that, but I am not that type of person. However, I remained very committed to talking to people and literally leaving my door open and not just for all the vested interests — who were always welcome. I saw them frequently, often wih very little advance notice if an urgent matter had to be attended to. I did not delay and say I was not free for a week or two. I would see them the next morning if possible or even that day if necessary. I maintained an open door policy.

I know that Deputy Davern will seek to implement that policy too. The clearest way to do business is by showing readiness to listen to another person's point of view, a readiness to take up some of the points if you feel you can accommodate them and, above all, an openness to change and willingness to see the situation as it is. That policy has stood me in great stead. I applaud those who met and responded to me on that level. Often, those meetings were very difficult when there were points of conflict between us. I never fell out with one deputation; I never ended a meeting on a note of anger or acrimony. We would agree to differ, bearing in mind that usually it was not an ideological point of view which separated us but, perhaps, an economic one of financial stringencies, always conceding that the other person's idea in the main had great merit and could be looked at another time, somehow we were always able to do that.

I pay tribute to former Deputy Gemma Hussey for her programme on curriculum advancement. Even though the primary student population decreased by over 20,000, we were able to make a dramatic increase over the previous four years in the provision of remedial teachers. I know the Government are committed to providing remedial teachers. Now 240 schools have, on a shared basis, an extra 80 remedial teachers. There is a need for many more remedial teachers.

In September, for the first time in decades, the pupil-techer ratio has been reduced with a further reduction planned for next September both at primary and post-primary levels. A sum of £123 million has been spent on post-primary buildings in four years. This is a huge expenditure, but much more work remains to be done. One would need tens of millions of pounds to do it all. In excess of 240 primary school projects have been completed.

Tá an t-am beagnach istigh.

Cé mhéid nóiméad fágtha?

Acting Chairman

Tá dhá nóiméad agat.

I thank all who worked with me and with whom I worked in joyful unison throughout those years. I thank particularly the people of this country. I travelled north, south, east and west. I went to hamlets, villages, towns, cities, primary schools and all sorts of educational establishments, and in those four and a half to five years I received nothing but friendship and a warm welcome wherever I went. There is a remarkable body of people working in education in Ireland. The teachers are committed and devoted to their charges and have the finest of ideas and ideals.

Education was a domestic issue but one in which I gained personal fulfilment and devleopment. I pay tribute to the Taoiseach for the imagination and the initiative he has displayed in putting forward the Cabinet here today. I look forward very much to my journeys in the Department of Health. I intend to do three things there: first, to learn my brief; second, to work hard and third, to contine my policy of open door and of communication with all who wish to see me.

First, I wish the Minister, Deputy O'Rourke, every success in her new portfolio in Health. Even though at times we got into all kinds of armlocks in the House, I want to pay tribute to her for what she achieved in education as distinct from what she did not achieve in education. I sincerely wish her well in her portfolio in Health.

I thank the Deputy for his wishes.

Unfortunately, I am afraid it is literally out of the frying pan and into the fire because the Minister, Deputy O'Rourke,——

I like fires.

——knows more than anybody else the extremely high temperature that currently prevails in Health and the very tough decisions which are ongoing and which will be required for the future.

I find these new appointments extremely hard to fathom. If I find them hard to fathom, I am sure the vast majority of Junior Ministers in particular — each of whom was passed over — find them doubly hard to fathom. The appointment of this Cabinet indicates that all is changed, but nothing is changed. It was obvious in relation to who was assigned to what Department — particularly the two new appointments, that is, the new Minister for Education and the new Minister for Defence — that the decisions were based on blind loyalty rather than ability.

In relation to the appointment of Deputy McDaid as Minister for Defence, I believe that, as somebody who has well proven Republican sentiments, this challenges the high moral tone and ground of the Progressive Democrats. The appointment to the most sensitive of portfolios, other than Justice — a key sensitive security position — of Deputy McDaid is one that will really test the moral rectitude of the Progressive Democrats. They cannot have it every way. They cannot say one thing on radio, television and in the newspapers, they cannot ride the high moral hobby horse at all times, and then when it comes to the political realities in this House do something else; that moment will be at 10 p.m. today.

I find it extremely difficult to understand how a number of the other Cabinet appointments have been made. This Cabinet represents a total abandonment of the west, a total clean out of the west. One of the significant factors in every Cabinet until now, whether a Fine Gael led Government or a Fianna Fáil led Government, we always had western Ministers. For example, in the past decade alone we had former Deputy Paddy O'Toole as Minister for Defence, Gaeltacht, Fisheries and Forestry, former Deputy Denis Gallagher, as Minister for the Gaeltacht; Deputy Pádraig Flynn had a phlethora of portfolios up to the time of his sacking as Minister for the Environment; former Deputy, Seán Doherty, as Minister for Justice; Commissioner Ray MacSharry, formerly Minister for Finance and Agriculture, yet now the west does not have a single Cabinet Minister sitting around the Cabinet table. Last week the bishops of the west sat down with community representatives to try to salvage some kind of economic existence for the west, to try to put in place a package that would retain the existing population structure and give us some chance of retaining a semblance of social and community cohesion and stop the decay and the decline of the west.

I welcome the appointment of Deputy M. Kitt as Minister of State but, irrespective of how many junior Ministers we have, Ministers of State are literally junior Ministers and have no input at Cabinet level. They have no decision-making voice and are very much in the role of doing their master's or their mistress's bidding. It is an extremely black and bad day for the west and represents a new watershed — the abandonment of the west by Fianna Fáil.

The appoinment of Deputy Davern as Minister for Education is not a good one. He is somebody I personally like; he has a great deal of personal charm but I doubt whether he has either the experience or the ability to pilot the necessary changes in education — the Green Paper, the White Paper, the Education Bill — and to face the challenges that are very much part and parcel of the education scene.

Acting Chairman

I would ask the Deputy to move the adjournment of the debate.

May I have the permission of the House to share time with my colleague, Deputy J. Mitchell?

Acting Chairman

Is sharing time allowed on this debate?

It is allowed.

Acting Chairman

Is there agreement on that? Agreed.

Before we adjourn the House, I wish to pay tribute to the Opposition spokespersons on Education over the years, and particularly the present spokespersons — Deputy J. Higgins, Deputy O'Shea and Deputy Mac Giolla.

Acting Chairman

I would like to join in congratulating you on your appointment.

Debate adjourned.
Sitting suspended at 1.30 p.m. and resumed at 2.30 p.m.
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