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Thursday, 6 Feb 1992

Vol. 415 No. 5

Financial Resolutions, 1992. - Financial Resolution No. 22: General (Resumed).

Debate resumed on the following motion:
THAT it is expedient to amend the law relating to customs and inland revenue (including excise) and to make further provision in connection with finance.
—(Minister for Finance.)

It is very hard to bring the House back to talking about the drudgery of the 1992 budget. In the two minutes available to me I will conclude on the points I was making when the House adjourned on the budget debate last evening, that the Culliton report has tremendous economic potential. I sincerely hope it will be implemented quickly and that the task force which the Government have decided to set up, to ensure its implementation, will be given every assistance from the various Government Departments. One of the fundamental recommendations is the splitting up of the IDA so that there will be an organisation for job creation for home-based as well as for foreign industry. Over recent years we have come to the conclusion that, because of the reduction in mobile international industry it is ever more difficult to attract foreign investment. Therefore we must revert to the main thrust of the Telesis report that indigenous industries should be given every assistance and support from the appropriate Government agencies.

In the whole area of taxation the task force have a major responsibility to ensure that the recommendations in the Culliton report are implemented. The main tax reform recommendations have been highlighted under seven headings. I compliment the Minister for Finance who has been moving in the direction of equitable tax reform. If the Culliton report recommendations in the area of taxation are implemented, then we will see for the remainder of the nineties a much more equitable tax structure and, whereas up to now the PAYE sector have been carrying the burden of computerised control on their wage packets all other sectors will henceforth pay their fair share. That is what the budget did and can therefore be commended to the House.

(Carlow-Kilkenny): Bhí a lán rudaí ar siúl roimh, i rith agus i ndiaidh na Nollag. Is dócha go bhfuil áthas orainn gur tháinig an cháinfhaisnéis os ár gcomhair. Níl mé cinnte an ndéanfaidh sé morán maitheasa don tír ar fad. Ni raibh ann ach mar a bhí riamh, agus tá súil agam go dtiocfaidh an lá nuair a bheidh athrú mór ar an chóras sa Dáil nuair a thiocfaidh cáinfhaisnéis isteach.

Ba mhaith liom a rá leis an Taoiseach go bhfuil súil agam go mbeidh laethanta fada breátha aige ag siúl timpeall na tíre gan stró ar bith air agus ag dul pé áit is maith leis. Gúim gach rath air agus go n-éirí leis.

Go raibh maith agat.

(Carlow-Kilkenny): This is my third occasion speaking on the budget in the Dáil. Each year Members who have spoken have continued the myth which is so untrue but has been repeated each year. It is incredible that the same ráiméis is being repeated so regularly. I have said before that the year 1987 was not the start of our freedom; it was the year in which a country was handed over in good shape to an incoming government and whose backbenchers, in particular, and sometimes its Ministers were telling us about the catastrophe of 1987. I want to stitch a few facts into the record because they are very important. Deputies such as Eric Byrne do a fair amount of research and, perhaps, in 50 years time he will come back, read the records and find that these were gems of wisdom.

The following are the facts. In 1981 after four years of Fianna Fáil Government, inflation was just over 21 per cent. As I said before in this House, that figure would nearly lead normal people to commit suicide rather than taking on the running of the country. This year and in the past I have heard Fianna Fáil people talking about how well this Government had got inflation under control. That is the greatest load of codswallop of all time. This Government did not get inflation under control. Deputy Garrett FitzGerald came in with a group of brave people who took on the running of this country when inflation was at 21.4 per cent. In that situation where would the Programme for Economic and Social Progress be? What would have happened to the social welfare recipients who received an increase of 4 per cent if inflation was 21 per cent? Inflation was reduced gradually to 17 per cent and when the Government left office in 1987 inflation had been reduced from 21 per cent to 4 per cent. What could be a greater achievement than that? Nevertheless, year after year here, even the media go on talking about 1987 as if it was a disaster. I want to have it recorded clearly for the third year running that inflation at 21 per cent in 1981 was a direct result of four years of Fianna Fáil Government. For Fianna Fáil to claim at this stage that they have got inflation under control is playing around with truth.

The second statement I wish to correct was made by a Fianna Fáil TD and I was surprised, knowing he was educated in a very good college. He claimed credit for the balance of payments situation. I should like to put on the record, for the third year running, that in 1981 the trade balance was in deficit to the tune of £1.8 billion. By 1985, which for those who do not want to do a calculation comes before 1987, it had been turned around and was in surplus by £315 million. It has been in surplus ever since. That is another lie nailed.

Let me mention a third fact. In 1986, for the first time ever the balance of payments was in surplus and has been in surplus ever since also. Therefore, on taking up Government in 1987, Fianna Fáil had one great advantage — inflation had been brought under control, having been reduced from a rate of 21 per cent to 4 per cent, while the balance of trade and balance of payments were both in surplus. It is unbelievable therefore that people should come along and claim credit for bringing this about. Even if the Exchequer borrowing requirement was high, it had been reduced from 20 per cent to 10 per cent in the 1987 budget. It should also be borne in mind that in the years 1977-81 prices were out of control. We should therefore deal with the facts and face up to reality.

I suppose tomorrow the newspapers will be full of reports about the election of a new leader. That is fair enough, but it would be nice if there was a heading "Browne blasts bogus bragging"— this has to happen to highlight the bogus bragging about getting things under control — or "Fianna Fáil fiction fairly flattened" which would also get across a message. However, those headlines will not appear; it is just a dream that they would appear with the result that if these bogus claims are repeated people would say that this is wrong and had been contradicted in the newspapers. For some strange reason we cannot seem to have it contradicted. Indeed, a former Member of this House, Mr. Paddy Cooney, had to write a letter to correct the position and sort out this hassle.

There were repeated statements that we were facing doomsday in 1987. Not only were the Government of 1982-87 confronted with economic difficulties, they were also confronted with the difficulty of an Opposition who at that time opposed everything that moved.

Last evening in the House a Fianna Fáil Deputy asked us what our policies were on unemployment. This was laughable when one considers that this Deputy is a member of a party who had no policies between 1982-87 and who opposed everything that moved and, if something did, their policy was to clobber it. As it happens he must not have been listening to Deputy John Bruton, who has so often outlined what our policies are. Indeed I think Deputy Bruton's suggestion, that an all-party committee on unemployment be established, should be taken up.

When we consider the present position in relation to health care, or the lack of it, recall the slogans which appeared around the countryside, take note of the number of unemployed at present and think of the days when we had posters around the country showing queues for passports at a time when there were only 200,000 unemployed — it is now heading towards 300,000 — it is obvious people do not care about what they say and prefer to continue to talk ráiméis. Given the scandals that have taken place, the inquiries and internal problems within the Fianna Fáil Party, who are to elect a new leader, no one appears to be able to talk about the dreadful state that the country is in at present. Therefore, they are getting away with a certain amount. I do not want however to reply to the same nonsensical statements in the debate on next year's budget.

The budget has been described as many things by many people. We have been told that the influence of the Progressive Democrats is very much in evidence. I suggest that the influence of Saint Augustine is also in evidence because by turning around his prayer slightly the Minister for Finance came up with the idea "Lord, make me pay, but not this year". As far as I can see, all this budget has done is postpone some of our bills until next year. For example, an extra £350 million will have to be found for public service pay in next year's budget. Furthermore, £22 million only is being provided in this year's budget under the heading "equal pay", an issue ongoing since the mid eighties, when it is possible a figure of around £200 million may be required. By allocating such a figure we are postponing the evil day. Farmers, who are almost on their knees at present, were due to get an extra £12 million in headage payments, but only £2 million is to be made available. They, too, will have to wait until next year. So far as the farmers are concerned it is a question of maraigh capall agus gheobhair féar. Má mhaireann siad ní bheidh féar ar bith ann dóibh.

One of the difficulties is that all these issues are being postponed. As far as I can see, the Government will face an impossible task in framing next year's budget because we have pushed away the issues that we should be dealing with now. I am not dealing here with the changes in VAT which will have to be made — under the heading of VAT at the point of entry £200 million alone will disappear — or the doing away with DIRT, but these issues are waiting for us in 1993. One could define it as "Government by postponement, of postponement and for postponement". They are not facing up to reality. Furthermore, on top of what we had planned an extra £51 million will have to be borrowed, while it has been claimed that an extra £45 million will be raised by making the tax collection system more efficient. I do not know whether this is fact or fiction, an aspiration or inspiration, but it seems that we are on very shaky ground.

I have used the term "oxymoron" before in this House. At this stage we could say it is a paradox as well. We all remember that in 1977 no one had to pay car tax. This was a great gimmick and it won an election, but we found ourselves with all kinds of problems. This year car tax is to be increased by 20 per cent. Indeed, the figure is now much higher than it ever was. Perhaps Gilbert of Gilbert and Sullivan fame thought of this when he said "A paradox, a paradox, a most ingenious paradox". The idea seems to be do away with car tax in a particular year and really clobber it the next year. There seems to be no continuity, or is it the case that we have become used to U-turns being taken?

I am pleased that the cost of petrol is to come down by 9p a gallon in May. In the case of a 1600cc car, the tax on which is to go up by £40, by simple mathematics, dividing £40 by 9p. I discovered that to balance out the two one would need to do 13,000 miles at 30 miles per gallon or 18,000 miles at 40 miles per gallon. I have no doubt that the Minister sitting opposite me will make a big splash, that is if he is still in the same Ministry, when he announces petrol prices will be reduced. It is amazing to think that a motorist will have to cover 18,000 miles when one considers that the average motorist covers around 10,000 miles. While the provision appears to be all right in the budget, people will lose out. If we take into account the increase in VAT to 16 per cent on car maintenance then it is clear that the cost of running a car will increase. Indeed, the people who have company cars are very unhappy at present, and rightly so. It is difficult to know if the budget is just a facade to make it appear that things are being done.

In regard to social welfare there was a boastful statement that allowances had kept up with inflation. Imagine a 4 per cent increase to someone who has nothing. No matter what you hear from people who do not know what it means to be on social welfare, the vast majority are barely surviving. The 4 per cent increase will mean that they are still trying to survive.

I do not know what the budget will do for the aged in hospital. Old people in hospitals are treated as objects and their relatives as millionaires. Our old people should get the best treatment possible. If they are in hospital because they are sick they should be treated fairly, because they founded this nation and put up with all kinds of hardship, difficulties and lack of facilities when they were working. It is outrageous — and it is becoming quite common — that relatives are being asked to take patients home even though they need medical care. I do not see anything in the budget which will guarantee better hospital care for the elderly. It should be a priority in any nation that the elderly are looked after.

I do not know what the budget has done for people who are queueing for operations. In my own county, for the third time in a short time, there has been a private collection to pay for a heart bypass operation for a person who urgently needs it. These people would not undergo an operation in time to save their lives if they were relying on public health care. In 1987 one party had the slogan that health cuts hurt the old, the sick and the handicapped. However, we are now worse off than ever. Last night the Minister for Health, in her usual pleasant way, praised all the medical staff, doctors and nurses. We all appreciate what they do, but our worry is that they are not given the facilities or back-up to help them in their work. Nobody blames the medical staff in any hospital; they are under pressure and cannot admit people. Cutbacks and delays are not their fault and the Minister should provide the facilities for them.

The allocation of third level grants is a scandal. The Minister set up a commission — and may have received a report — but it is time that the reality of the difficulties regarding third level education are faced. There are many intelligent children who have very high standards of education — in one case I know of someone who attained four As in honours leaving. The parents are about £500 over the limit for receiving a grant and the child could not avail of third level education even though he has so much to offer. On the other hand, four Cs may be a qualifying requirement and someone who is not a PAYE earner cannot get third level grants. We do not seem to be prepared to face this inequity and it is an injustice which cannot be tolerated any longer.

This budget will not do much for remedial teachers despite what was promised in the Programme for Economic and Social Progress. I never know whether the Programme for Economic and Social Progress is a promise or an aspiration to achieve something. There is a myth that remedial teachers are not really needed down the country, that there are parts of the cities which are badly disadvantaged and that therefore they must be looked after. While some teachers may be appointed in country areas the emphasis will always be on disadvantaged areas in the cities. I do not have a quarrel with any part of the country getting remedial teachers as long as it is done on a wide basis. Having taught, I have a particular interest in this subject. It is obvious that remedial teachers can do so much for children who, for several reasons, might have got a bad start in life and fallen behind.

With recollections of the classroom I am unable to give you any figure of speech, I must say tá am tam istigh.

(Carlow-Kilkenny): When reality sets in and when we have a proper budget I hope that money will be provided for remedial teachers. I will finish with a quotation, this budget strikes me as being “much ado about nothing.”

There has been an unfortunate tendency in recent months to talk down the performance of the Irish economy during 1991 below what is justified by reference to the facts. The predominant reason for this, I believe, has been a certain insularity of approach — a tendency a look at developments in Ireland in isolation from the position in the European Community or the wider international economy of which we form part.

International trade is the lifeblood of Irish economic development. Exports account for over 60 per cent of our gross domestic product and in 1991 the growth in world trade fell to 3 per cent compared with 5 per cent in 1990. Output in the total OECD area grew only marginally by 1 per cent in 1991 and in the EC by only slightly more. Output in the UK — by far our largest export market — fell by over 2 per cent accompanied by a significant fall in employment levels and a corresponding increase in unemployment.

In short, this country's economic performance in 1991 must be judged in the context of an international recession which, as indicated in the most recent ESRI Quarterly Economic Commentary, threatens to be among the most prolonged for many years.

In these circumstances it is wrong of many commentators and of spokespersons for the Opposition parties not to recognise fully the very creditable performance of the Irish economy in 1991. The alarmist projections of a number of commentators during the course of last year served to undermine business and consumer confidence to an extent not justified by the facts in by the eventual outturn.

Economic growth in Ireland in 1991, for example, was twice the OECD average. The overall public finances outturn for the year was very close to budget estimates with an Exchequer borrowing requirement of 2.1 per cent of GNP compared with an original budget estimate of 1.9 per cent. This is almost wholly explained by the higher than anticipated increase in the live register and associated unemployment payments. It compares well with most other European countries which experienced a deterioration in their budgetary situation in 1991 because of the slowdown in economic growth. We remain well on target to achieve our objective of reducing the national debt-to-GNP ratio towards 100 per cent by 1993.

Exports of manufactured goods, increased by an estimated 8 per cent in volume terms and by more in cash terms — a considerable achievement at a time of international recession. This impressive export performance was widely spread across the manufacturing sector and not simply confined to the branch plants of multinational firms which has often been the basis for good export performances in previous years.

The latest indications are that a modest increase in employment took place in the sectors outside agriculture in 1991. This is a considerable achievement in the circumstances and contrasts with the situation in countries such as the UK, the United States and Canada where significant falls in employment levels have taken place. But we must do better, given the annual natural increase in the labour force of some 25,000 and the considerable reduction, or even reversal, in net emigration which took place during the past year.

Our 1991 performance, in difficult circumstances, shows that the Irish economy is in a good position to make considerable advances in output growth and employment creation as the international recession lifts. Previously, a slow-down in international trade in our main markets of the dimensions that occurred last year would have resulted in a considerable fall-out in employment here in Ireland and a major deterioration in our public finances. The fact that we weathered the storm so competently in 1991 is a result of the more realistic approach the Government and the other social partners have taken to the management of affairs in recent years.

In particular, we have major strides in improving our competitiveness under the pay agreements of the Programme for National Recovery and the Programme for Economic and Social Progress. When taken together with the increased productivity of the industrial sector, these improvements are an important explanatory factor for the increased market share we have achieved in many of our export markets in recent years. They have underpinned our performance in riding out the down-side of the present international recession reasonably well.

Provided that we maintain a similar discipline to income growth in the period ahead, and not just on the wage and salary side, the prospects for a rapid employment increase as the international recession lifts are considerable. The 1992 budget will make a significant contribution to maintaining such discipline through the reduction in income tax rates and the widening of the standard rate income tax band which was announced.

This year's budget has taken a decisive step towards realising the goal of creating a tax system here that is simple and straightforward, equitable and fair as between various taxpayers, and one which is also transparent. I believe we have smashed a major psychological barrier by getting our income tax system down to two rates and also by cracking the 50 per cent barrier now that the highest tax rate is 48 per cent.

Of course, the progress made in relation to income tax is only one part of the overall tax reform agenda of the Progressive Democrats, and of this Government. I have highlighted in the past how perverse it is that labour should be taxed to such a penal extent in a society suffering an unemployment crisis, and the absolute necessity to transfer some of the tax burden from work, employment and enterprise to other sectors and other forms of activity.

I am rather bemused with some of the criticisms of the tax reform measures in this year's budget, notably that of the former Taoiseach, Deputy FitzGerald, in last Saturday's The Irish Times in which he sought to take the Progressive Democrats to task for their emphasis on income tax reform and, in particular, for our desire to see the top rate of tax reduced. His criticism, and that of some other commentators, fails to take into account the overall balance in the measures being pursued in the Government's tax reform strategy on the one hand, and also reflects an ostrich-like attitude to the debilitating effects of high marginal tax rates on work and effort, and the inevitable recourse by people to various forms of tax evasion and avoidance in a bid to avoid such excessive liabilities.

It would appear that Deputy FitzGerald blithely ignores the added 7.75 per cent tax burden of PRSI on workers. As a result, the marginal tax rate encountered by people on medium to higher incomes — in this context medium even means the average industrial wage for a single person — even with a top income tax rate of 48 per cent, is still a cumulative 55.75 per cent.

That is still far too high in my view, but it certainly contrasts very favourably with the situation which pertained when the Progressive Democrats were founded six years ago. At that time, Deputy FitzGerald led the very discredited Fine Gael-Labour Coalition, in which the likes of Deputies Noonan and Quinn — two of the other foremost critics in the past week of this year's budget — played notable parts.

In 1985, under Deputy FitzGerald's Government, the top marginal income tax-PRSI rate facing workers in Ireland was 68.5 per cent, and the standard income tax rate affecting every worker was 35 per cent. Clearly some of our critics on the Opposition benches have not yet learned the lesson of their past failures and the extent to which they totally depressed the economy in the mid-eighties.

Now, following the budget, the standard tax rate faced by every taxpayer in the country will be 27 per cent — that is an 8 per cent improvement on the position which obtained under Deputy FitzGerald's Government. It as also worth nothing that the standard rate tax band is also being extended this year to £14,950 for a married couple — that is an increase of £1,550 — and to £7,475 for a single person. Moreover, in the last couple of years, the standard band has been extended by over 40 per cent.

Of course, we also know that down all the years when penal rates of personal taxation applied here every possible ways and means of avoiding and evading tax was resorted to, and benefits-in-kind of every variety were resorted to by companies to pay senior executives in particular. The Government are now proposing to introduce a comprehensive fringe benefits tax to tackle effectively those forms of payment which, up to now, have not been brought within the tax code, and a year's notice has been given to employers and employees to regularise their employment contracts in the light of this change.

It is important to bear in mind the philosophy behind moves like this, which apply also to the proposed taxing of short term social welfare benefits. It is that all forms of income, whether they derive from wages, fringe benefits or welfare payments, should be treated in the same way under the income tax code.

It not only means greater equity as between all citizens but it also broadens the income tax base, and a kind of virtuous circle is induced. As tax rates become more fair and reasonable, there will be a greater willingness by people to comply with the tax system. It is quite amazing that some Opposition politicians and indeed some commentators fail to realise the simple equation at work here. But the message is being picked up by ordinary taxpayers and citizens, save perhaps for a few tax consultants.

I am disappointed with the comments of many of the Opposition contributors to this debate, but this is hardly surprising when we remember that when Fine Gael and Labour were last in Government together the top marginal tax rate was 68.5 per cent, and that they pushed the upper VAT rate to 35 per cent. Furthermore, whereas the Exchequer borrowing requirement this year is set to be just under 2.4 per cent, and will be reduced further to 1.5 per cent next year, the EBR in 1985 under the Fine Gael-Labour Government of that time stood at 12.7 per cent.

(Carlow-Kilkenny): It was 20 per cent in 1981.

It was much less.

(Carlow-Kilkenny): The Minister is being selective.

Deputy Browne, we are not going to have duologues. The Minister without interruption.

Obviously some politicians still hanker after that era of high taxation and high borrowings.

Lower tax rates mean fairness, equity and transparency: they lessen the inducements and the opportunities for avoidance and evasion. Bolstered by measures like the proposed benefit-in-kind tax and the taxation of short term social welfare benefits, it means that the perversity of people being better off by deliberately absenting themselves from work, as frequently happens now and of particular forms of remuneration, especially for the higher paid escaping any tax liability at all, will both be tackled decisively.

Another aspect of the tax reforms advocated by the Progressive Democrats, and now part and parcel of Government policy, is the necessity as part of the base broadening to achieve a greater tax take from the corporate sector. In 1985 corporation tax stood at £217 million and accounted for just 3.4 per cent of all revenue. When we first entered Government in 1989, corporation tax accounted for just 3.9 per cent of all revenues. This year, however, the corporation tax take is set to rise to £678 million and it will constitute 7.3 per cent of total revenue. This has, of course, been helped by the expiry of export sales relief in April 1990. Here again is a further instance of the tax reform strategy of broadening the base, and shifting some of the excessive burden of tax from work and enterprise. It enables us to make the reductions in income tax, to which I have already referred, and by doing so reduces the pressure for higher wages which can undermine the competitiveness of firms.

Of course, the whole tax reform strategy is merely a means by which to generate greater enterprise and employment in the Irish economy. Of itself it is not sufficient. The unemployment crisis assailing this country requires every possible initiative to be pursued. The average number on the live register increased by over 29,000 in 1991 to its highest-ever level of 254,000. The undermining of living standards and of simple human dignity that underlines these figures is a challenge to the Government and the whole community. I take no comfort from these figures nor do my colleagues in Government.

As the report of the Industrial Policy Review Group which I instituted last June, makes plain, it has to be tackled on a range of fronts — including infrastructural costs like transport, energy and telecommunications: job training and changes in the education system and, of course, the development of our indigenous industrial base.

One quote from the review puts the tax reform agenda in the wider perspective of industrial development and job creation. It states succinctly: "in no other single area does the Government have at its disposal the tools to make as far reaching and effective a reform to support an enterprise economy as in taxation". This is the view of successful industrialists. We would ignore it at our peril. The Progressive Democrats and, indeed, the whole Government fully endorse those sentiments.

In the area of taxation the group recommend a fundamental reform on a phased but consistent basis. The tax reform measures announced in the budget and to be included in the Finance Act are fully consistent with the recommendations of the group. The standard rate band has been extended to reduce the number paying high marginal tax rates. This will improve the incentive for well-qualified young people to stay and work in Ireland. It will also help employers to hold on to good workers who contribute to the productivity and competitiveness of their firms.

The range of special tax exemptions, reliefs and deductions which have grown over the years in an ad hoc and frequently inconsistent way have also been reduced to release resources for tax reform which supports productive job creation. Wear and tear allowances have been simplified and changed to better reflect economic and commercial reality in the depreciation of asset for the business sector.

Further restrictions on section 84 loans were announced before budget day to deal with serious tax avoidance activities which were coming to light in this area at the time. The measures that had to be put in place to deal with these activities pin-point a major defect in our present taxation structure — namely, the encouragement of some of the best qualified private sector expertise in the country in essentially, non-productive, tax avoidance activity and the allocation of equally scarce, high level public service expertise to counter these activities. This nonsense must stop.

The solution is the establishment of a more straightforward and simple taxation structure through the type of fundamental reform process on which we have started over the past two years. The 1992 budget is a major step forward in the reforms that are necessary, but it is a beginning and not an end. It is a process to which both parties in Government are committed and which both accept are an essential foundation to achieve the radical improvement in employment creation that is required.

Industry has consistently called for a reduction in the tax wedge to reduce the cost of labour. Employers and employees alike have called for lower marginal rates of tax to encourage effort. Investors have called for greater fiscal stability and low inflation to protect investment. This budget, coupled with the decisions taken at Maastricht last December on monetary union, deliver on these requirements. The domestic economy will be more conducive to both long term investment and increased employment. Sustained economic growth will occur if society as a whole, and industry in particular respond to these developments and invest in our mutual future.

I will begin by taking up words used by the Minister, Deputy O'Malley, in the last sentence of his speech where he spoke about "our mutual future." It is very useful to reflect on the word "mutual". There are many people outside this House, including the unemployed and others, but particularly potential emigrants who will be interested in discerning the degree to which people such as Deputy O'Malley and those he represents identify in any mutual sense, as he put it, "with their future".

As I begin my contribution I would like to reflect on the kind of moral vision that lies behind this speech. It is a very interesting one, a theory of humanity of the individual, isolated, alone, atomised, continually conducting some kind of moral calculus, but the moral calculus is curiously reminiscent of a primitive original sin theory — that the tax rates are too high, therefore I must evade tax; the tax rates are too high, therefore I must emigrate; the tax rates are too high, I must consult my accountant for a tax evasion scam.

Let us compare that with other pieces of anti-human ignorance that have been put into print lately such as an article by a person called Mary Ellen Synon who, in the Sunday Independent of 12 January 1992, wrote these little gems: “Profit is the finest, and only moral, reason for one man hiring and another man working”. Earlier she stated:

For no politician, so far as I can see, has the moral courage to say that what the Government must do is urge its citizens to work first for profit for themselves; not to work for the common good (whatever that is), certainly not for `others' (whoever they might be), absolutely not so that the poorer can get what they have not earned, and get it at the expense of those who have earned (why should they?).

In another part of that article she said: "Peter Cassells always touches my heart with such talk"— about the Commission on Social Welfare —"but then: Cassells wants the phasing in of the recommendations of the Commission on Social Welfare, which would be like tossing Finance's cheque book out the window to the mob".

We should think hard about the kind of moral vision that lies in these statements. How different are they from the famous and discredited statement from Mrs. Thatcher that there is no such thing as society? The views of Ms. Synon and the Progressive Democrats of the person alone at home trembling and saying: "The tax rate is too high, I think I will emigrate" are empirically nonsense because figures have never been produced to show the number of people who emigrate as a result of such tax. About 70 per cent of the people who emigrate from my constituency — I have been studying this matter for about 20 years — would stay if they had any job at all. However, the Progressive Democrats believe that people emigrate because the top rate of tax is too high. The O'Malley theory of humanity seems to be justified on the basis not that you are much by being human but that you have much.

There are some absolute gems in the speech we have just heard, such as its reference to our mutual future. The Minister Deputy O'Malley, spoke about the debilitating effect of high marginal tax rates on work and effort, but that is an old chestnut. There are some new ideas also in his speech. He introduces a new concept called the virtuous circle. The idea is that down through the years penal rates of personal taxation applied in this country, all possible ways and means of avoiding tax were resorted to and benefits in kind were used by companies to pay senior executives in particular. What a sordid view of society and of the connection between morality, politics and economics. It is a pathetic view of mutuality. How could he insult our intelligence by saying that there can be any such thing as our mutual future when we are all apparently to be motivated by such values?

I regret that I must interrupt the Deputy, but I understand the Chief Whip will now make a statement.

Debate adjourned.
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