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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 10 Mar 1992

Vol. 417 No. 1

Private Members' Business - Equal Status Bill, 1990: Second Stage

I move: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

The Equal Status Bill, 1990, was first published, by permission of this House, in the name of Deputy Spring on 10 April 1990. Since then there has been something of a revolution in Ireland; at least, at first glance it might seem so. In April 1990, the only people talking about the possibility of a woman in the highest office in the land were a few wide-eyed idealists dismissed by all and sundry as anything but realists, but the impossible happened and the election of a woman President opened a new window in Ireland. This Bill, in large measure, is about opening that window further.

The two previous equality Acts of the seventies are aimed at outlawing discrimination in the workplace on grounds of sex. The aim and purpose of this Bill is to create a climate of understanding and mutual respect in which all are recognised as equal in dignity and rights. In this respect this Bill goes further than any equality legislation we have had in the past. It could hardly be more appropriate that we are debating this Bill now.

For the last month, Ireland has been convulsed by a wave of emotion and agonising about the tragic plight of a 14 year old girl pregnant as a result of rape. Her situation and that of her family caused many of us in this House and outside to question values and attitudes that we have taken for granted but the Supreme Court judgment has confronted us all yet again with what can only be called a crisis of equality.

It is possible to state quite simply that unless and until we address the issues arising from the Supreme Court judgment we will have created a new and oppressed minority in Ireland. That minority consists of every woman who becomes pregnant. In future, to put it at its simplest, no pregnant woman will be able to leave Ireland for any purpose without fear of being stopped, unless presumably she is leaving Ireland on a stretcher. That is a horrific scenario and it is the inevitable consequence of the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution whose promoters always claimed they never wanted to target individuals. It is a classic example of the sort of double think and double standards which have permeated this debate since it began.

It may seem fanciful to some to describe the abortion controversy as an issue of equality but, in essence, that is what it is. The restriction on the right to travel within the European Community for purposes which are perfectly legal throughout the Community is something which a largely patriarchal society has imposed on some women. Could you image the furore there would be if a court decided that a man wishing to secure a foreign divorce, for example, should be restrained from leaving Ireland?

The effect of the travel restriction is that we are telling Irish women that we simply do not trust them. Why should we trust them? We do not pay them, we do not promote them, we do not encourage them towards education and we do not even let some of them run something as complex and as difficult as a golf club. Of course, we talk eloquently about apartheid or about injustice anywhere in the world, but when are we going to recognise the injustices we see every day here at home? It is not just women who are the targets of inequality; within the last year, for example, there was a great deal of media coverage of the fact that many Dublin pubs had a policy of preventing travellers from entering simply because they were travellers. How many physically handicapped people could testify to the difficulties they have had in securing jobs not because of any lack of ability but simply because of the nature of their handicap?

The background of inequality against which this Bill has been published is real and substantial. The debate about equality has been going on since the early seventies but discrimination against minorities still exists. There is, it will have to be said, a fund of goodwill in Ireland towards the idea and the principles of equality, yet, Governments have been slow to translate that goodwill into action. Indeed, we have tended to follow rather than to lead in this area, often waiting for a European Directive before we act.

The need for change in this area is obvious. This has been highlighted in a number of reports, including the reports of the Council for the Status of Women and the Employment Equality Agency. Yet, the Government have contented themselves with the appointment of yet another commission in this area — the Second Commission on the Status of Women established in the spring of 1990.

When our Bill was published two years ago we, in the Labour Party, predicted that no matter how well intentioned and busy that commission are it will be another two years before there is a call on the Government to act. In fact, there is as yet no sign that the report of the second commission is about to be published. Of course, even if it were to be published tomorrow it would no doubt gather dust for another 12 months before Government action began to materialise.

We believe that action is appropriate now and that it is appropriate over a wider area than that envisaged by the Government in their terms of reference for the second commission. That is the reason we are calling on the Government parties to support this Bill, at least in principle. On behalf of the Labour Party, I am offering tonight to allow a reasonable period to elapse before seeking Committee Stage of the Bill, if it passes Second Stage. I can tell the House that this Bill has already been widely welcomed by many bodies involved in the rights of minorities. Indeed, the second commission themselves have shown a great deal of interest in the Bill in their contacts with us.

We sincerely hope that the Second Stage of this Bill will do more than carry on a debate. We want to bring the debate a decisive step further by translating into action a set of principles widely shared in the community. The time for action has now come.

I will outline the principal features of the Bill. The grounds on which this Bill prohibits discrimination are wider than those in any previous legislation. It prohibits discrimination on grounds of sex, marital or parental status, sexual orientation, religion, age, handicap, race, colour, nationality or national or ethnic origins, including membership of the travelling community.

Secondly, the objective of the Bill is to make discrimination unlawful, not only in the workplace but also in education, in the provision of goods, facilities and services, including recreational and banking and other financial services, entertainment, accommodation, transport, the services of any trade or profession and in the disposal of management of premises. In the existing equal pay legislation, before a claim for equal pay can be established the person making the claim must make a comparison between the treatment afforded to a woman and that afforded to a man in similar circumstances. Under our Bill a comparison can be made between the way a woman is treated and the way a man would be treated in similar circumstances. This is known as the "hypothetical comparator" and it is a reform which has been long looked for by the Employment Agency.

To give an example of this, it is a fact that many of the lowest paid industries are those which employ all women. At least part of the reason for this low pay is the absence of male comparisons. Another traditional reason is the relatively low level of trade union organisation in all-women employments. Under our proposals, women in these industries — the contract cleaning industry, for example — would be able to make a case for equal pay with men if they could demonstrate that pay rates in the industry would be higher if men were employed to do their cleaning work.

Our Bill defines three types of discrimination, direct, indirect and victimisation. Direct discrimination is self-explanatory; in fact, it seems to be the case that many of the cases of overt discrimination against women, especially in the area of recruitment which were common as recently as 20 years ago, seem to have disappeared. It is certainly the case, however, that there remains a high degree of discrimination against women in such areas as pay and promotion. Indirect discrimination can and does arise in situations where, on the surface, the same conditions apply to men and women but where the conditions are geared to ensure that a higher proportion of one sex can meet them. For example, an employer who advertised for machine operators and made it a condition that all applicants had to be over six feet in height would be guilty of indirect discrimination against women unless, of course, the intending employer could prove that it was an essential height for dealing with the machines. It is not that long ago since it was a common practice among employers to take a careful note of the women applicants for jobs to see who were wearing wedding rings. Nothing in the job advertisement would specify a bias against a married woman applicant but the bias would be there all the same. The Bill also defines as discrimination the victimisation of anyone who asserts his or her rights under the legislation. This is a usual feature in legislation of this sort.

The Bill makes it illegal for employers to discriminate against any employee or prospective employee on the grounds listed. One of the effects of the Bill would be that any discriminatory terms or conditions of employment in any contract or collective agreement would, ipso facto, be null and void. Every contract of employment will be deemed to contain an equality clause which will become a guarantee to the employee that he or she is not and cannot be discriminated against. It will also be illegal under the Bill to discriminate in the terms of membership of any partnership or trade union, employers' organisation or any professional or trade organisation or to discriminate in the terms of the benefits attaching to such membership. At present, to take just one example, the barristers' profession forces people over a certain age to pay higher entrance or registration fees. This would become illegal under the Bill; so would the unspoken attitude, still present in some craft unions, which has ensured that only a tiny proportion of women succeed in becoming apprentices in quite a wide range of crafts.

The Bill recognises that there are certain situations in which people with a handicap may have to be refused particular jobs because the nature of the handicap may make it impossible for them to undertake the duties associated with the job. However, in general terms it will be illegal to discriminate against people on the grounds of handicap and it will also be illegal to discriminate against a handicapped person in any situation where the special needs of that person can be met without undue hardship. Too many employers automatically reject people in wheelchairs, for example, when relatively minor adjustments to the working environment would make employment not only possible but readily practicable. This Bill will enable people with a handicap to challenge employers about why they would not be prepared to make such changes.

Disputes about equality in employment will be referred under the Bill to the Labour Court. At present such disputes must be referred within six months of the commencement of the alleged inequality but we propose a substantial improvement under our Bill whereby the dispute need only be referred within six months of the date it ended. Procedures for dealing with disputes are simplified in this Bill. There is a new provision to assist a person who believes he or she has been discriminated against. They will be given a standard form on which to put questions to the employer about the reasons for the treatment which they believe to be discriminatory and on which the employer can reply. These questions and answers will be admissible in evidence before the Labour Court and the court will be entitled under the Bill to draw appropriate inferences from any evasion or equivocation on the part of the employers in their replies and, likewise, to draw inferences from the failure of the employees to reply to those queries when that turns out to be the position.

At present the burden of proof in equality cases is on the employee. The Bill proposes to transfer that burden of proof to the employer who will have to establish that his actions complained about were non-discriminatory. This is not a unique provision. For example, in unfair dismissals cases the employer also carries the onus of establishing that a dismissal is fair. The Bill also includes provision for appeals and enforcement of equality recommendations. In cases where determinations made by the Labour Court are not carried out they can acquire the same status as a determination of the Circuit Court and can be enforced accordingly. This is a much simplified version of the present procedure.

Under the Bill it will be unlawful for anyone involved in the provision of goods, facilities and services to discriminate against anyone on the grounds of sex, marital or parental status, sexual orientation, religion, age, handicap, race, colour, nationality or national or ethnic origins, including membership of the travelling community. A discrimination in this context can include the refusal of access to the goods or services, or failure to provide them, or the provision of inferior quality or service. The following are examples of the facilities and services to which the Bill applies: access to or use of any public place; accommodation in a hotel, guesthouse and so on; banking, insurance, loans, grants, credit or finance; entertainment, recreation or refreshment; education facilities; transport or travel facilities and the services of any profession or trade or any public or local authority. There are a number of specific examples of areas which require to be addressed and are addressed by this provision.

I referred to the practice of barring travellers from public houses simply because they are travellers. It is well known too that anyone whose surname suggests membership of the travelling community will have great difficulty in securing bank loans or insurance policies. The Bill proposes to compel the providers of services, ranging from recreational services to financial services, to apply the same rules to everybody looking for those services, and no more or no less. This Bill will not force pubs to serve anyone who is violent or troublesome whether they are members of the travelling community or members of the settled community. It must be said that members of the travelling community by no means hold the monopoly on violence or causing trouble or problems in pubs; the settled community are as equally guilty in that respect on occasion. Neither will the Bill force anyone to extend credit to people who have a bad track record of repayment. What it will do is force companies to re-examine their attitudes and end any discrimination based on ethnic status or gender or any of the other labels we all too often attach to people.

The Bill will make it unlawful for a person who has power to dispose of premises or who is involved in the management of premises to discriminate in the terms on which he offers those premises for disposal, or in relation to aspects of the tenancy, or in rejecting or accepting applications for the premises or in his treatment of individuals in relation to lists of people in need of that kind of premises.

It will be unlawful also for any educational establishment in receipt of public funds to discriminate in terms of admission policy or in the way it treats individuals who apply for admission or in the way it treats individuals after they have been admitted. Exceptions are made in the Bill for single sex schools and schools which admit members of one nationality or one religion only. However, these exceptions apply to admission only. Thus, a girls' school will not be compelled to admit boys but will be obliged to offer the same facilities and subject options as are provided for boys in similar circumstances.

All complaints relating to discrimination outside the employment field are to be dealt with by way of civil proceedings for damages in the same way as any other claim in tort. In certain cases damages may include compensation for injury to the feelings of an individual. A principal can be liable for acts carried out by his agent and an employer can be liable for any act carried out by his employee. The Bill will also make it unlawful for a person to procure another person to do anything which constitutes unlawful discrimination.

As the House will be aware, the Constitution guarantees the right of citizens to form private associations and clubs. That is a right which should not be lightly interfered with. Accordingly, the Bill does not seek to impose conditions on such clubs which would be in conflict with the constitutional right of association. However, there are two provisions in the Bill which apply to any sporting or recreational clubs which discriminate on the grounds of sex. The first will make it unlawful to give any payment or grant out of public funds to any such club. The second is that no such club may apply for registration or the renewal of registration under the Registration of Clubs Act, 1904 to 1981. As the House will be aware, a club not registered under these Acts is not permitted to sell or supply excisable liquors; in other words, is not allowed to run a bar.

Under the Bill the Employment Equality Agency would be renamed the Equal Status Agency and their powers would be widened. They would have the general functions of working towards the elimination of discrimniation, drawing up codes of practice, assisting individuals to press claims under the Bill, promoting equality of opportunity and advising the Minister for Labour on the working of the legislation with a view to making it as effective as possible.

The Bill goes on to outlaw discriminatory advertising. Under it the Labour Court will be allowed to award interest on any compensation awarded. Employers can be obliged to display notices containing information on equality in prominent locations in the workplace.

There is a number of exceptions in the Bill. In general terms, the purpose of these exceptions is to ensure that positive discrimination or affirmative action aimed at ensuring greater equality in the long run is allowed and encouraged; that preferential treatment in particular cases of need is recognised, for example, preferential treatment in the case of pregnancy, or special action to recognise the paticular needs of the handicapped, the elderly or members of the travelling community. They seek to ensure that people are not penalised for acting in good faith and without an intention to discriminate and that people are not forced to take unreasonable actions. For example, it would not be unlawful to restrict eligibility to Irish national teams to Irish citizens and so on. It is not the purpose of the Bill to penalise the ICA, the Catholic Boy Scouts or Shamrock Rovers. Exceptions have been carefully drafted with the aim of encouraging equality and ensuring that the dignity of every citizen is fully realised.

This is a Bill which is aimed at the promotion of equality. The Labour Party believe that this is an aspiration shared by every Member of this House. The whole purpose of this Bill is to enable all citizens of Ireland, in every walk of life, to regard themselves as being on an equal footing as every other citizen. If this Bill becomes law it will require employers, landlords, publicans, bankers, public officials, hoteliers, educators, indeed all of us, to re-examine the prejudices which are part and parcel of an unequal society. It will require changes in structures, in rules and regulations, in some cases in factory and business premises but, above all, in attitudes. Deputies will see that the Bill has been drafted with great care. Meticulous attention has been given to details, to providing for necessary exceptions and to envisaging a framework that can operate in a practical manner on this important subject. However, the Labour Party do not claim to have universal knowledge on this subject. If this Bill goes forward to Committee Stage the party will be more than happy to adopt the universal wisdom of all sides of the House. I know that many Members of the House will be very anxious to make valuable contributions to the Bill. The Labour Party will be more than happy to discuss the matter at length and to take on board whatever amendments or adjustments are found to be necessary or desirable, both from the Opposition side and from the Government side.

It is interesting to recall that only 100 years ago, a relatively short time in legal history, the law of this country and of the adjoining island, sometimes referred to as the mainland, prohibited a married woman from having in her name any property whatsoever. That was the law until the Married Women's Property Act, 1882, came into force. The development towards equality for women has been a very gradual process over that time. There is no doubt that we have achieved much, but much remains to be done. The present position is not acceptable in the nineties. I venture to think that in decades ahead, when historians look back on this period in Ireland, they will be appalled at the fact that so many discriminations have been allowed to continue in legislation and are still there in 1992.

We in the Labour Party are trying to be of assistance across the board in this matter. We went to very considerable trouble in drafting and preparing this legislation to try to take on board these outstanding matters which should have been legislated for long ago. However, the opportunity for dealing with them arises now. I hope that the Government and the Minister will be practical about this matter and will not automatically go for the reflex action of nit-picking at the Bill and finding difficulties with it. There is already on the Statute Book some very valuable additions to our legal system, which are operated daily in our courts, which were the result of Private Members' legislation. With the co-operation and assistance of the Government, the Minister and all sides of the House, this legislation can also fulfil that role. I am asking the Minister to support the Bill and allow it to go forward to Committee Stage. He should make suggestions on it and let us discuss proposals for its improvement. We will be more than receptive in taking on board any such suggestions or proposals on Committee Stage.

It is time we confronted open and hidden attitudes that contribute to residual instances of inequality in Ireland. This Bill will help in a very large measure to do that. Let us not wait for directives from Brussels, putting ourselves yet again, as we have done so often in the past, into the humiliating position of not doing the right thing because we should do so but of reacting to directives and mandatory injunctions from the European Commission in Brussels.

The Irish people as a whole and Members of this House support the concept of equality and are against the concept of discrimination in all walks of life. Therefore let us translate that into action and let us do it now while we have the opportunity to do so. Let us not be told that the Government at some future date will come up with their own measure. We know from the Order of Business every day of the delays in the parliamentary draftsman's office and much legislation is deferred until a later date. This Bill has been skilfully prepared by lawyers; all aspects of it have been examined and it is now before the House. Now is the time to act, not at some vague future date when the Government may get around to dealing with it.

The effects of not dealing with this matter are felt every day of the week. Next week or next month a handicapped person or a married woman looking for a mortgage will be discriminated against. I have experienced many instances of discrimination. There is still discrimination against married women in financial matters. The legacy of 1882 still persists whereby a married woman seeking a mortgage from a bank, building society or local authority is discriminated against. Perhaps it does not apply as much to a single woman as to a married woman. Lending institutions, including local authority lending institutions, discriminate against married women who seek mortgages or loans in their own name. They ask about the husband's position and his earnings. The wife's position as an individual person is not taken into consideration. She is entitled to that as a matter of morality and, if this Bill is adopted, she will be entitled to it as a matter of law. On behalf of the Labour Party I commend this Bill to the House.

With the agreement of the House, I shall divide my time with Deputy Mary Coughlan. I shall take 20 minutes and Deputy Coughlan ten minutes.

Is that proposal satisfactory? Agreed.

Ireland has rightly been credited with developing one of the most effective and accessible legal mechanisms among the European Community member states for the investigation and adjudication of complaints of discrimination on grounds of sex, whether in relation to pay or other employment conditions.

In the period since the Anti-Discrimination (Pay) Act, 1974 and the Employment Equality Act, 1977 came into operation there has been a number of significant developments affecting our whole perception of employment equality, both nationally and in a European context. The Labour Court, in fact, recognises the increasing complexity of the issues arising in equality cases in the field of employment and has itself had regard to important European Court of Justice cases in reaching its determinations. In 1987 my predecessor, Deputy Bertie Ahern, initiated a process of review and consultation by publishing a discussion document which commented on a range of shortcomings that were found to have appeared in the two Acts which have been on our Statute Book since 1974 and 1977 respectively.

This Government have recognised, within the context of the Programme for Economic and Social Progress, that progress on employment is dependent on legislation, complemented by positive action programmes. I have underlined my commitment to bring forward proposals for legislation to amend the Anti-Discrimination (Pay) Act, 1974, and the Employment Equality Act, 1977, in fulfilment of the undertaking given in the Programme for Economic and Social Progress. I hope to get the approval of the Government shortly to enable the drafting of a comprehensive Bill which will replace the two original statutes and incorporate in the one Act a succession of statutory instruments which have been issued over the past 16 years. I believe it is vitally important that the basic principles of equality law should be accessible and comprehensible to the public. It is my intention to update the basic legislative provisions and also to ensure that all statute law on employment equality should be found quickly and conveniently in the one place and in the one Act.

I propose to address most of my remarks on this Bill in the time available to its implications for the nature and scope of the two major legislative measures which have already been enacted in this country in relation to equality between men and women. I refer, of course, to the Anti-Discrimination (Pay) Act, 1974, and the Employment Equality Act, 1977. Other colleagues from the Government side will address the adequacy of the type of catch-all measure proposed in this Labour Party Bill as a means of tackling discrimination on grounds other than sex and the extension of the scope of the anti-discrimination legislation to cover the fields of education, the provision of goods, facilities and services, etc. Set against the clearly stated reform objectives to which this Government are committed under the Programme for Economic and Social Progress, the Labour Party's Bill suffers from four serious deficiencies: first, it fails to provide a single, satisfactory and comprehensive source of law relating to the employment field.

Secondly, the present Bill, which was originally presented in April 1990, has already been overtaken by some significant statutory provisions affecting equal treatment in relation to employment rights in the form of the Pensions Act, 1990, the Industrial Relations Act, 1990, and the Worker Protection (Regular Part-Time Employees) Act, 1991. The establishment of the Second Commission on the Status of Women also marks a watershed and is evidence of the Government's commitment to wider reforms.

Thirdly, there are few instances in which the present Bill proposes changes to the provisions of the existing equality Acts as they affect the sphere of employment which were not originally heralded in Chapter Two of the discussion document published by my Department in 1987. In fact, the present Bill has simply left most of the changes originally proposed in the discussion document in a state of "deep freeze". Proposals have been lifted straight from that discussion document of 1987 with little regard to developments which have occurred in the meantime, either in the context of the European Community's social policy or in the context of our continuing domestic programmes of labour and social reform legislation.

Finally, the present Bill sets out to graft a vastly expanded range of responsibilities on to the existing promotional advisory and enforcement machinery established under the equality Acts without any apparent consideration for its capacity to discharge such wideranging brief efficiently or effectively. There is already evidence across the European Community of dissatisfaction with the institutional frameworks established to provide advice and assistance and to discharge a strategic enforcement role going beyond individual complaints. It is hardly the answer to such problems to increase the level of demands on such bodies regardless of the staffing and financial constraints within which they must operate and the limitations of the managerial and specialist expertise available to them. This is one of the aspects of institutional change on which I particularly look forward to clear-sighted thinking and objective setting on the part of the Second Commission on the Status of Women under the chairmanship of Justice Mella Carroll.

Of course, the first difficulty which confronts anyone concerned with a problem of unequal treatment is to find the law relevant to his or her situation. That is not a simple matter; there is a variety of sources of law — European and domestic — which form a hindrance to the simple application of the law. The Employment Equality Act, 1977, did not purport to provide a single comprehensive approach to the elimination of discrimination between the sexes in employment. The earlier Act of 1974, which related to equal pay, was already in existence and had only come into force at the end of 1976. It was retained, however, with some minor modifications and with the addition of a somewhat ambigious provision which provides that the 1977 Act and the 1974 Act are to be construed together. The 1977 Act has been subsequently amended in major respects by regulations made under the European Communities Act, 1982.

In fact, the principle of equality in employment between men and women already enjoys a special status under European Community law and the Community has since the mid-seventies gradually built up a wideranging legislative code which presently consists of five equality directives which cover pay, employment and vocational training, aspects of statutory and occupational pension schemes and self employment.

I believe that we must seriously address the challenge of incorporating Community law in our national legal order. To do so requires a new and comprehensive Act dealing with employment matters to ensure that it will no longer be necessary for practitioners, equality officers, the Labour Court and the higher courts to continually refer to different sources of law located in a variety of different texts. The aim should be to construct a single and comprehensive code framed to meet current Irish employment circumstances and recognising the applicability of European Community Law.

Unfortunately, the Labour Party's Bill does little to assist those practitioners, not to mention managers and those conducting negotiations in employment or those considering whether to put forward claims relating to equal pay or sex discrimination, to arrive at a clear understanding of their responsibilities. Instead of advancing a comprehensive new code, the Bill proposes to add to a new statute alongside the skeleton of the two earlier Acts. Instead of replacing the 1974 Act completely, it proposes to repeal nine out of the total of 14 sections contained in that Act. It proposes to leave the 1977 Act in an even more ragged state. At section 67 in Part IX of the Equal Status Bill it is proposed to repeal 31 of the 56 sections contained in the 1977 Act. However, eight of the remaining 25 sections are wholly or partly amended by the provisions of Part VIII of the Bill. The last section of the Bill blithely states that the proposed new measure and the remnants of the 1974 and 1977 Acts "shall be construed together as one Act". What this really amounts to is legislative revision by salami technique or even chain-saw confetti. The outcome of such an approach would make it impossible for the practitioner to establish what law is applicable in any set of circumstances without undertaking an elaborate and time-consuming paper chase.

I have emphasised my concern that the content of the law be made more accessible and comprehensible to the public. The benefits this kind of approach can yield should be obvious enough when considered from the point of view of those asserting — or contesting — claims before the equality officers and the Labour Court for whom the additional costs and the delay, if an appeal to a higher court is required, are very damaging. But the purpose of the law in relation to employment equality is not just intended to provide compensation when rights are infringed or to induce potential discriminators to refrain from particular Acts; it should also serve to establish a framework for social behaviour within which best practice can be fostered. Employers and workers can only be expected to make equal treatment part and parcel of their day-to-day relationships if they can be given a clear understanding of their responsibilities, so as to be able to give effect to best practice, thus ensuring that there is only recourse to legal action as a last resort. The Labour Party Bill, unfortunately, fails to pass this crucial test. It purports to offer a radical new approach but really presents us with a Bill that has the appearance of an over-stretched suitcase complete with the skeletal remains of two older statutes.

The suitcases packaging is very strained and the contents likely to cause much confusion. The Bill would be meaningless without the surviving features it retains, from the original Acts, the latter elements remaining uncomprehensible without careful scrutiny of the former.

In bringing forward a comprehensive reform of the employment equality legislation, I will also be able to complement the provisions of the Worker Protection (Regular Part-Time Employees) Act, 1991 which was enacted after the drafting and introduction of this Bill. That Act represented a major social advance through the extension of the whole body of protective labour law and individual employment rights to a substantial category of employees who, heretofore, were vulnerable and increasingly subject to exploitation by unscrupulous employers. The provisions of that Act extended the rights already enjoyed by the vast majority of employees to this rather marginalised group.

Deputies are aware that this new protective measure — on which explanatory material has already been widely disseminated by my Department — should serve to safeguard the employment rights of many women workers. Women account for more than three quarters of all part-time workers in the 25-44 age bands, associated with child rearing. Over 70 per cent of female part-time workers are married; about 60 per cent of the males are single; about one-third of part-time males are under 25, with a further third aged 25-44. In the case of females, fewer than one-sixth were under 25, more than half were aged 25-44 and about 30 per cent in the 45-64 age group.

Part-time work, particularly regular part-time work, has increased in the last 15 years. While it is a predominantly female option, there are still a substantial number of men working part-time in Ireland, but for different reasons from those of women. The classic part-time worker is female, aged 25-44 and married with dependent children.

It is vitally important that legislative developments in relation to employment rights should be promoted with due regard to the way in which European Community law on employment equality has developed into an advanced legal framework. While this Bill represents a very ambitious attempt to draw upon many different sources, I fear it tries to take too much on board. There is a very real danger that by casting the net too wide, it may actually underestimate and therefore marginalise the two key influences on the formulation of our legislative policy, namely European Community legislation and our legislator's perceptions of the correct relationship between law and industrial relations practices.

The Equal Status Bill was also introduced in this House before the Pensions Act, 1990 was enacted on 24 July 1990. The Act provides that every pension scheme, and also every other scheme providing any kind of occupational benefits payable on termination of service or interruption of service by reason of sickness, shall comply with the principal of equal treatment. This is defined as meaning that there shall be no discrimination on the basis of sex in respect of any matter relating to the scheme. This applies to benefits for dependants as well as to benefits for members. My purpose in drawing attention to these developments is to highlight their significance and the danger of losing sight of the need to ensure that legislative developments in the field of employment equality proceed on the basis of coherent planning, adequate consultation and a thorough appreciation of the wider implications for Irish labour law and industrial relations policy.

Under the terms of the Programme for National Recovery, my predecessor Deputy B. Ahern, published a discussion paper in 1987 which set out a series of options for the review of the two Acts, identifying, for the purposes of consultation, the need for changes in the following areas: (i) scope and coverage of the existing Acts — the paper identified some problems of interpretation, in addition to limitations in the scope of the legislation, and inconsistencies between the two Acts and (ii) procedures — the paper also identified the need for measures to avoid any deficiencies in the operation of investigative and enforcement procedures, and the adjudication of appeals.

Under the Programme for Economic and Social Progress, the Government committed themselves to introducing a new Bill, which will amend both Acts. This commitment has been welcomed by the second Commission on the Status of Women and by the Employment Equality Agency. The proposed measures reflect the outcome of consultations with the Employment Equality Agency which has a statutory duty to keep the working of both Acts under review. Important decisions of the European Court of Justice have also been taken into consideration as well as the views of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions, the Federation of Irish Employers, the Labour Court, equality officers and other interested parties on the operation of the legislation and on the changes they considered desirable.

There is an obvious need to have all the legislation, and the range of changes arising from Court of Justice decisions and various Irish statutory instruments, brought together within a common format so that practitioners and other users can find all the relevant law quickly and conveniently. This will greatly improve the operation of investigation and adjudication procedures and boost people's confidence in having their complaints handled efficiently.

In addition to covering many of the proposals in the discussion document, which are incorporated in the Bill, I am also considering going further in the following areas; formalising the position in relation to work of higher value following the judgment of the European Court of Justice in the Murphy. V. Bord Telecom case; introducing an enforcement mechanism to ensure that collective agreements on pay and conditions may be the subject of a complaint and, if appropriate, duly declared null and void or amended; adding to the powers of the equality officers so as to enable them to require persons in possession of relevant information to co-operate with the investigation; clarifying the purpose of codes of practice on equal opportunity, removing the restriction on their being addressed exclusively to employers; providing that codes may be admitted in evidence in proceedings; providing for an equality officer's findings to be given the status of a Labour Court determination if the finding has not been appealed within the prescribed timescale; providing that the Labour Court should, at the request of the parties to a dispute, state the reasons it upheld or reversed an equality officer's findings, and providing that the Labour Court may refer a matter arising in the course of an investigation to the High Court for decision on a point of law.

The Government cannot support this Bill on the grounds that it reflects a centralising, catch-all approach which is unnecessarily cumbersome, legalistic and bureaucratic.

My preference is for a single comprehensive measure on equality between men and women in employment which will bring all the relevant law together under one cover. This Bill seeks to cover too wide a field and in attempting to do too much may even pose a threat to the effective operation of well-established mechanisms and procedures which have served to advance women's interests in the sphere of employment over the past 17 years. Also it threatens to swamp or marginalise what has come to be recognised as the most serious and pervasive form of discrimination in our society — the practices which operate, directly and indirectly, to isolate, segregate or even eliminate the contribution which women can make in all areas of employment. In addition, the Bill seems, by virtue of the attempt to put such a wide-range of issues into a single legislative measure, to reflect ri = "4"an over-emphasis on the effectiveness of legislative enforcement mechanisms, per se, to the detriment of other complementary methods of developing good practice.

The Equal Status Bill fails on some of the most critical tests of any social policy. What a policy is about cannot be divorced from how it is implemented. How good a policy is cannot be divorced from whether it can be implemented effectively. Whether a policy can be effectively implemented depends on whether the design of its implementation matches the strategic aims of the policy. The Equal Status Bill fails on all these counts. Irish workers and managers, legal practitioners and the enforcement and adjudication processes will be best served if we maintain the coherence and the integrity of our employment equality code and ensure the early enactment of a single comprehensive statute. While the Labour Party measure offers some useful ideas which can be taken into account in that regard, it would undermine the integrity of the code which has been developed to date. I hope to bring such codified and comprehensive legislation to the House some time in the autumn.

As this is my first opportunity to do so, I congratulate the new Minister and wish him every success in his new portfolio. Before Deputy Mervyn Taylor leaves the House, I will say to him that when Deputy Cowen says that we will do something, he most definitely will do it.

As indicated by the Minister, this Bill, which was presented in the House in April 1990, has been overtaken by many significant statutory and non-statutory developments, particularly the Pensions Act, 1990, the Industrial Relations Act, 1990 and the Worker Protection (Regular Part-Time Employees) Act, 1991. In terms of positive non-statutory developments affecting women's employment opportunities, since the Labour Party Bill was introduced perhaps the most significant development has been the establishment of the Second Commission on the Status of Women which was set up in 1990 with a wide-ranging mandate to make comprehensive recommendations to the Government on the means by which women would be able to participate on equal terms and conditions in economic, social, political and cultural life in our society.

The commission made great strides to discharge their task within their allotted time. They issued a first interim report in April 1991 identifying a series of recommendations which they considered would complement the thrust of Government policy in the Programme for Economic and Social Progress.

The re-emergence of the Labour Party Bill at this stage has the appearance of an attempt to pre-empt the recommendations in the commission's final report due in July. Notwithstanding the wholesale borrowing of the proposals for reform of the employment equality Acts outlined in the discussion document published by the Department of Labour in 1987, it is clear that the Labour Party want to lay claim to all the initiatives in this area.

There is a strong case for awaiting the outcome of the deliberations of the second commission. To proceed as the Labour Party proposes puts inordinate emphasis on the role of legislation as a catalyst and instrument for change. The commission's approach, as reflected in their first statement of April 1991 is evidence of a more rounded perspective which is likely to foster a more positive atmosphere for future development than the "catch-all" legislative sledge-hammer approach favoured by the Labour Party. There is a real danger that the all-encompassing legalistic focus of the Labour Party Bill will overload the mechanisms already established to combat discrimination based on sex in the employment sphere, dissipate resources and deflect attention from the kind of initiatives already under way to promote changes in social behaviour on a voluntary basis.

The positive outlook of the second commission is also reflected in this Government's view that while legislation has a crucial role to play in the achievement of equal opportunities in employment, it needs to be complemented by positive action initiatives at the level of every firm. The Government's commitment to action at national level is illustrated in the commitments given in the Programme for Economic and Social Progress.

In the area of training arising out of the Programme for National Recovery, FÁS have expanded the opportunities for women to take up careers in non-traditional areas. This was achieved through the FÁS positive action programme which included among its features precise target-setting and pre-apprenticeship courses. The first programme was developed in 1990 and was further developed in 1991 and again is being revised and updated. This programme was devised because of the importance of training as a provider of opportunities for women to broaden their career options into new and non-traditional areas of work.

A range of practical actions, designed to contribute towards the goal of a better balance of men and women in the labour force, are developed in the programme which has the following objectives: to promote actively the breaking down of traditional patterns of occupations segregation by encouraging increased female participation in sectors of the labour market traditionally dominated by men and to promote actively the participation of women at all levels in growing, future-oriented sectors of the labour market including technical and managerial occupations, in order to achieve better use of human resources.

This programme is an example of the type of positive action training that can be implemented under the Employment Equality Act, 1977.

The Programme for Economic and Social Progress provides that the live register requirements in the case of women applicants for training courses should be relaxed to facilitate women who wish to return to the workforce. To give effect to this commitment persons signing for credits are eligible to participate in the new job training and employment subsidy schemes provided that they have been on the live register for at least eight weeks immediately preceding recruitment. In addition, women participating in FÁS return-to-work courses are eligible to participate in the job training scheme provided that participation would involve further development of skills. As a result of these initiatives the level of women's participation on FÁS programmes continues to increase annually. While in 1971, only 5 per cent of all FÁS trainees were women the figure for 1991 was 42 per cent.

There is a commitment in the Programme for Economic and Social Progress to positive action at enterprise level. On the premise that the public sector can be a providing ground for new concepts of positive action, and that it has an obligation to give leadership to the private sector, the process of monitoring equality of opportunity initiatives was started in the Civil Service by unions and management in 1987. In 1989 this process was extended to semi-State bodies. In accordance with a commitment in the Programme for Economic and Social Progress this monitoring process was extended to health boards and local authorities in 1990. In order to help these bodies in the furtherance of equal opportunity initiatives the Department of Labour together with the EEA, assisted the Institute of Public Administration in the planning and organisation of a workshop on equal opportunities for public sector bodies in 1991. The Employment Equality Agency also hosted seminars on equal opportunities for local authorities, health boards and voluntary hospitals in 1991.

Within the private sector a number of companies are operating positive action programmes and clear guidance has been provided on this matter by ICTU and FIE.

The Minister for Labour's award scheme, Equality Focus, sponsored by the Employment Equality Agency and the EC, in co-operation with the Irish branch of the Institute for Personnel Management was introduced in 1990. This scheme is designed to encourage Irish employers in both the public and private sectors to develop positive approaches to equality at work; offer recognition to those companies that had already adopted equal opportunities policies; and contribute to the awareness among Irish employers of positive action as a human resource issue. This scheme was very successful in 1990. I am glad that the Minister for Labour has made extra funding available to the Employment Equality Agency in 1992.

This Bill proposes to prohibit discrimination in employment on the basis of age except where, by reason of the physical strength or physical or mental stamina required to perform the duties attached to a position, employment in positions of that nature must be confined to persons beneath a particular age. The Government committed themselves in the Programme for Economic and Social Progress to a policy of substantially raising recuritment age limits throughout the public sector having regard, however, to the need to hold competitions for school leavers, trainees and graduates.

Many of us who are on local authorities have seen the fruits of this in that the age limit for many posts in public sector organisations is now 50 years.

The recently published NESC report on women's participation in the Irish labour market shows that child care services are a significant factor affecting married women's decisions about participation in the workforce. In the Programme for Economic and Social Progress, the Government acknowledged the need for a policy to encourage the development of child care services as a collective responsibility. This not only calls for a co-ordinated response on the part of the different Government Departments involved, but will also necessitate collaboration with employer and community interests.

The working party on childcare for working parents was established by the Minister for Labour in 1990 to devise specific recommendations for the development of childcare partnerships between parents, employers, etc., having regard to the EC Council recommendation on childcare. This working party are due to produce their final report shortly. I hope this report will be considered by the Government in developing specific policies and mechanisms to improve childcare for working parents.

Women Members have been trying to emphasise the importance of such reports in encouraging further participation by women in the workforce. I look at my colleague across the floor, Deputy Barnes, who has been trying to encourage the provision of such facilities not only in her own constituency but also in the House, and, in joining the ranks quite soon, I will be most supportive. It is clear from the commitments in the Programme for Economic and Social Progress and the actions taken to implement them that the Government are committed to the achievement of real equality between men and women in employment.

Mar fhocal scoir, ní aontaím leis an Bhille seo agus caithfidh mé fanacht ar an mBille úr a raibh an t-Aire ag caint faoi. I believe that the Minister's proposal to amend the Acts is the best way to go. As I said before Deputy Taylor left the Chamber, I hope the Minister will introduce such legislation as soon as he can.

I now call Deputy Barnes. I thank her for not having caused an unfinished symphony for the sake of one minute.

I welcome Deputy Coughlan's contribution. I would never try to stop anybody making a contribution particularly when he or she is in a positive mood and Government commitments are being made.

I was very glad the Minister for Labour, Deputy Cowen's speech was circulated so quickly, although unfortunately he left the Chamber before I got the chance to challenge him. I had to read his first sentence three times because even on the second reading I could not believe what he was asking us to accept. It reads:

Ireland has rightly been credited with developing one of the most effective and accessible legal mechanisms among the European Community member states for the investigation and adjudication of complaints of discrimination on grounds of sex, whether in relation to pay or other employment conditions.

I would have much preferred if the Minister had stated what conditions are really like for women. Even if he wished to register some criticism of the all embracing sections of the Labour Party Bill — indeed I welcome those all embracing sections — we could still have a certain amount of reality. I would have preferred him to acknowledge the reality and to have said that Ireland has rightly been credited with the lowest number of working married women in the European Community who probably have to face the greatest obstacles; the lowest level of childcare facilities and the lowest level of commitment to the provision of facilities; with next to no commitment to the retraining of women or the encouragement of such women to leave the home once they have reared their children, having voluntarily contributed to the State, without which the good of the State could not be achieved and for which they get next to nothing.

If we start with some sense of truth and reality and acceptance that Ireland has a right to be ashamed and embarrassed about the position of women in Irish society, we may get somewhere. I find it very difficult to take this whitewash of reality. Collectively we should be insisting that not alone should claims that are patently not true not be made but we should try to work together to begin to catch up with the rest of Europe not only in the area of legislation but, as the Minister said, in regard to the social attitudes to women.

I do not wish to use my 20 minutes outlining the European perception of women in Irish society over the past three or four weeks. There will be time for that in another debate. However, we cannot claim to be proud of the treatment of women in Ireland, and Irish women can claim to be frightened. In his speech the Minister attached great importance to the discussion document on the employment Acts and their potential for the training of women. The discussion document was circulated in 1987, but it is now 1992 and we are still in the process of discussion.

I am delighted the Minister paid tribute to some of the agencies and other groups who took that discussion document very seriously and responded very positively to it. He said that important decisions of the European Court of Justice had been taken into consideration as well as the views of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions, the Federation of Irish Employers, the Labour Court equality officers and other interested parties. Let me remind the Minister that in early 1988 the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Women's Rights also put in a very substantial document with regard to the updating and strengthening of such legislation. Yet the position in 1992 is that amending and strengthening legislation has not been enacted.

On the whole, women are paid 68 per cent of the male rate of pay. The differences in average earnings of men and women — and this is of crucial importance — are not confined to traditional industries as we had hoped, but also prevail in new industries, such as the electronics and mechanical engineering industries. What opportunities are there for women in industries? Women are still on the conveyor belts, on the assembly lines; they are not at management or design levels. What are we doing about this? When we talk about positive action, this is where we should start. I would love to stand up in this Chamber and welcome such action, but unfortunately I cannot.

I would like to think, however, that in the Government's response there will be evidence of such positive action but, unfortunately, I do not think there will be.

The Minister waxed eloquent on the opportunities for part-time work and the protection of part-time work for women. When we compare Ireland with other member states, we find that we have a higher number of women part-time workers than most European countries. Women account for more than three quarters of all part-time workers in the 25-44 age group — the group associated with child rearing. Over 70 per cent of female part-time workers are married, whereas 60 per cent of males are single. About one third of male part-time workers were under 25 years of age. The classic part-time worker is female, aged 25 to 44 and married with dependent children. I put it to the House that this is not a matter of choice; this is imposed on them by a denial of any real commitment to providing childcare facilities. While the Programme for Economic and Social Progress may have promised this, and I welcome what was said in the Programme for Economic and Social Progress, what worries me is that when the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Women's Rights attempted to get a créche set up in co-operation with the existing Civil Service créche, we were told we would probably be duplicating facilities, that there would probably not be enough parents interested and that we should enter into discussions and negotiations with the trade unions in case we would set up so many facilities that we would not be able to fill the places. That came from the Department of Finance and the Public Service and I think it was written by someone who had no concern or fear about being pregnant or having to worry about where children would be or the social acceptability of recognising what is already accepted throughout the industrialised world, namely, that there is no equality of opportunity for women without the provision of child care facilities. I will leave the Minister's speech aside, particularly since he is not here. It is a fine irony that we talk about the accessible legal mechanisms in Ireland when in fact case after case which should have been won by women was rejected, appealed and had to be taken to Europe. I rest my case.

I welcome the all-embracing nature of the Bill before us. Legislation which focuses narrowly on vocational training and employment in the rigid sense leaves out the whole area of living and the whole climate of changing attitudes regarding sharing domestic responsibilities, taking women seriously and giving women equality of status. This Bill includes not only discrimination against women on grounds of sex, marital or parental status but also discrimination on grounds of age, handicap, sexual orientation, religion, race or membership of the travelling community. All of us would agree on that. I know The Labour Party would agree that another area which needs urgent attention is the Planning Acts which allow designs to be approved without consideration of the access needs of people in wheelchairs or suffering from other handicaps. We need to raise the sense of awareness and not marginalise and penalise such people. We must build in supports and positive discrimination. Deputy Taylor and I have talked about this matter, as has the Minister.

The onus of proof should not lie on the employee but on the employer and we must build positive programmes to discriminate in favour of the women who comprise over 50 per cent of the population and other marginalised groups included within the scope of this Bill. It is ridiculous to suggest that the playing field is level. It most patently is not. The goal posts are constantly moved. Obstacles may be removed at one stage but hidden obstacles replace them. This legislation must be underscored by positive discrimination and positive programmes. All parties on this side of the House would agree that no legislation should be introduced at any level in any area by any Minister without criteria with regard to gender, sexual orientation and the rights of the disabled.

One of the definitions within the Bill is particularly welcome. Marital status is defined as meaning the status of being married, single, widowed, divorced or separated and includes the status of cohabiting with another person. That is the definition which all of us should operate.

The denial of credit facilities is not just a denial of rights to women and other marginal groups who are not trusted. We are losing out on possible enterprises. It has been shown in other countries that five out of six small enterprises have been started by women. Until we let women have credit in their own right, not based on marital status, we will not lay the foundation for small enterprises worked by women. This is one of the areas for which we should seek EC funding. We must ensure that a proportion of the money we receive goes to women. Hitherto they have been denied credit and the type of guarantees they need to set up in business. The economy would benefit. The small businesses agency set up by Deputy Fennell when Minister of State showed a most incredible pay back and gave encouragement to women far beyond what was envisaged. This is an aspect of this Bill which has not been included in other Bills. We still have the remarkably insulting situation where women with their own income can be asked to give the name of a male guarantor when they seek credit facilities. In some cases the male guarantors would not have one-tenth of the income of the women but the sacredness of the act and the deed must include the male signature regardless of ability to pay. This is the attitude we have to deal with. I am disappointed that in the Government's response so far there has been no indication that these fundamental, deeprooted traditional discriminations are being taken on board. If this Bill is not adequate to challenge them, we should have an all-embracing Bill, outside the employment legislation, that will deal conclusively with what has until recently regarded women in Ireland as chattels in legal language.

Debate adjourned.
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