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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 28 May 1992

Vol. 420 No. 5

Adjournment Debate. - Effects of Common Agricultural Policy Reform on Food Prices.

It is dishonest of any Government Minister to suggest that food prices will fall quickly in response to the recent agreement in Brussels in respect of the Common Agricultural Policy. Are consumers expected to treat this Government seriously on the issue of food prices when one considers that they have increased over the past two years by 3 per cent, while at the same time farm incomes have fallen by 27 per cent? It is worth looking at a few examples to illustrate this point. In 1990 a farmer received £1.30 per pound for a leg of lamb but today the same lamb is making just 80p per pound. This represents a decrease of 38 per cent in the price paid to the farmer. The price being charged by the retailer to the consumer in 1990 was £2.30 per pound approximately. Today a leg of lamb is retailing in Dublin at £2 per pound, which is a reduction of just 14 per cent. Pork prices dropped by 60 per cent to producers over the past ten years but we all know that bacon and rashers are retailing largely at the same prices as they were two years ago. Beef prices have fallen by 15 per cent to the farmer during the past two years while retail prices have fallen by just 5 per cent on average. Furthermore, there are regional variations in respect of prices charged to consumers. In Dublin food products are 10 per cent approximately more expensive than in other centres throughout the country. These brief examples clearly demonstrate that prices paid to producers are not reflected in the prices charged to consumers in this jurisdiction. The resultant largely greater margins of profit for processor and retailer, with the Government acting as mere spectators in allowing this anti-consumer practice to continue unabated, is regrettable.

The Minister for Industry and Commerce has repeated time and again that competition is the only means of forcing down prices. Therefore, there is no need for regulation in the marketplace. Experience has shown in the area of food and drinks that Irish consumers are not discerning. Irish consumers do not seek further information or insist on going from one shop to another or one pub to another to ascertain price before they purchase. I regret to say this Government do not place, or have not placed, high on the agenda the issue of support for consumer organisations or the implementation of better structures for greater consumer information.

Fine Gael have proposed on a number of occasions that the Office of Consumer Affairs and Fair Trade should take on a more active role in monitoring prices in the food area. To ensure greater inspection and enforcement of the necessary regulations additional staff is required in that office.

Regional offices need to be established throughout the country that will provide more information to consumers on the issue of food prices. An ideal opportunity to do this now presents itself to the Minister for Industry and Commerce because on the completion of the internal market some 604 surplus staff from customs and excise will have to be redeployed. I was disappointed recently that the Minister for Industry and Commerce, Deputy O'Malley, rebuffed the idea that some of those staff would actually be redeployed to the Office of Consumer Affairs and Fair Trade. I am calling on the Minister this evening to indicate what measures the Government intend to take to ensure that the expected reduction in food prices to the producers will be reflected in the prices charged to consumers. The time for action rather than political rhetoric is now. It was disgraceful to hear the Minister for Agriculture and Food talk about a bonanza for consumers as a result of the Common Agricultural Policy reform package. History will show that when there is a reduction in food prices for producers they are not reflected in the consumer basket. I look forward to the Minister's reply.

I thank Deputy Hogan for his thought-provoking contribution.

Action provoking.

Fair enough, let us talk about it.

Let us do something about it instead of talking.

The Minister for Agriculture and Food, Deputy Walsh, and I, in my capacity as Minister of State with responsibility for consumer affairs, are about to set up a monitoring committee to ensure that the revolution — if I may call it that — in the agriculture sector is transformed into a revolution in the customer's basket. If that does not happen, all the major reforms which have taken place and which will show a clear line of revolutionary thinking within the agriculture sector will not be effective unless we in Ireland see a reduction in the cost of food items. To that extent I am at one with Deputy Hogan in the submission he has put forward in that regard. I would, however, add a small political note to the proceedings.

It was Fine Gael who, in a previous Coalition Government, demolished the whole monitoring of prices arrangements throughout the country. We proceeded with that so I am rowing back from it. Indeed, the Minister for Industry and Commerce through the Competition Act and the competition body — as the Deputy has rightly said — has seen that competition is the order of the day. Be that as it may, I agree with the Deputy when he says that Irish people are not good at going from shop to shop, grocer to grocer, butcher to butcher — I do not see why they should have to do so — in an endless stream to see whose prices are lowest. Some of that may be enjoyable but if you are shopping with three or four young children — and other children are expected home at 12.30 p.m. demanding their lunch — and you want to know the price of lamb etc. in a particular shop, that is carrying the concept of competition a bit too far. Furthermore, I think Irish people do not stand up for their rights.

The Maastricht Treaty recognises that we are entering an era of a people's Europe, a consumer's Europe. In the preamble to the Maastricht Treaty reference is made to the rights of consumers. It is correct that the very notable success which the Minister for Agriculture and Food, Deputy Walsh, the agricultural team and Commissioner MacSharry succeeded in achieving in the agricultural field should be translated into everybody's pocket, otherwise it will seem a far away Utopia. We should begin to see changes on 1 January 1993 and for a period thereafter. Next January would be too late to begin to think about these changes, that is the reason I say the debate is timely and the reason other debates on consumer prices are timely. I do not want to see producers increase prices in the six months from July to December in anticipation of price reductions whereby once again the consumer would be the loser.

IFA studies and surveys have shown clearly that price reductions — the Deputy is correct — have not been passed on to the consumer. Increasingly agricultural production will be geared, not towards food mountains in intervention but towards the needs of the marketplace and of the consumer. That is what will be important.

We are living in an era when transparency and openness is all important. I am determined that the rights of consumers will be protected and that prices, affected by the agricultural revolution, will be translated into a shopping basket revolution. I invite Deputy Hogan who has responsibility for consumer affairs, and any other Deputies who wish to join with me in this task. If this House speaks with one mind on this issue the deliberations of the Minister for Agriculture and Food, Deputy Walsh, the Minister of State, Deputy Browne and myself will bear fruit. The debate is timely and I hope we will have other occasions to deliberate on these very important issues.

I suggest it was a typical Deputy O'Rourke solution to set up another committee.

This is not the time for suggestions.

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