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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 23 Jun 1992

Vol. 421 No. 4

Adjournment Debate. - Teagasc Appointment.

It has come to my notice that something very odd is going on in Teagasc. It seems that the current director is to retire at some stage in the next five years. I have been informed it may not necessarily be this year or next year. Apparently, earlier this year, during February or early March, the board of Teagasc made a very curious decision and appointed a director-designate who, apparently, is to become the director when the current director retires. I am not raising any question, Sir, about the director-designate — my purpose is totally different — I want to have a look at the procedures. I should like to ask the Minister whether that appointment has been made in a manner which conforms to the provisions of section 7 of the Agriculture (Research, Training and Advice) Act, 1988. In particular, I would like to know whether the Minister believes it conforms to the provisions of section 7 (5) which reads:

The first Director shall be appointed, and may be removed from office at any time, by the Minister; each subsequent Director shall be appointed, and may be removed from office at any time, by Teagasc with the consent of the Minister.

I gather there is no question of removing the present director. I would like to know whether the Minister was consulted by the board of Teagasc when they proposed this curious appointment for which no provision, that I can see, is made in the Act, to take up a position at some time within the next five years. I would like to know if the Minister was even more intimately involved than is suggested in the consultation provided for in the Act? For example, did the Minister express a view that this person should be appointed in this manner to a post that does not yet exist? Did the Minister exercise any suasion, moral or otherwise, on the board to make this very curious appointment? Did the Minister consider whether it would not be right and proper and in conformity with the principles of natural justice that if a vacancy was foreseen it should be advertised? Would the Minister consider whether people who are already employed in Teagasc — and there are many excellently qualified people there — might not be given a chance of being considered on the basis of a competitive interview? Would the Minister consider whether people from outside Teagasc might be in line for consideration for this appointment? There are a great many people outside of Teagasc, apart from the current director-designate, who might be considered for this post.

In short, was any consideration given to the normal procedure of a competitive series of interviews for this job rather than, as seems to have been the case in this instance, the designation of a person for a job which is not yet available? Why was the appointment made in this curious way, long in advance of the vacancy? Why was an appointment made to a position for which there appears to be no provision in the Act? I raised these questions in the debate on 12 June on the Agriculture Estimate and the Minister of State on that day chose, for whatever reason, not to give any answer. I am sorry the Minister is not here tonight. I can imagine that for reasons connected with events earlier today he may be feeling a bit sheepish and may not be inclined to come out into the open.

Do not tempt me. It is birds that foul their own nest; Ministers are a different matter altogether. I could be tempted to go onto that line but I will resist the temptation. I would like to know, Sir, in the context of this very curious appointment if there is a hidden agenda here? Is the Minister trying to by-pass the Act in order to solve a problem somewhere else which he has not told us about and, if so, what is that problem?

Wexford): I thank Deputy Dukes for raising this question. The Agriculture (Research, Training and Advice) Act, 1988 provided for the dissolution of An Foras Táluntais (AFT) and An Chomhairle Oiliúna Talmhaíochta (ACOT) and the establishment of Teagasc. The then director of AFT was appointed as director of Teagasc and the director of ACOT was seconded to ERAD for a period of four years.

The situation is that under section 7 (5) of this Act, the Minister for Agriculture and Food appoints the first director of Teagasc but each subsequent director is to be appointed by Teagasc subject to the consent of the Minister.

In accordance with this procedure the chairman of the board of Teagasc wrote to me on 4 March 1992 seeking my consent to the appointment of a person as director of Teagasc on the retirement of the current director. On 12 March I gave my consent to this future appointment. The contractual terms and conditions pertaining to the appointment will be considered by myself and the Minister for Finance at a future date. I can assure the House that the various procedures laid down in the 1988 Act will be complied with.

I must emphasise that my function in relation to the appointment of a person as director is to convey my consent or otherwise to a proposal from the board of Teagasc to appoint a director. I have no function in relation to how or when the board select the person they propose to appoint as director.

I must also point out to the House that at this stage all that has happened is that the person concerned has returned to the body from which he was seconded when he was appointed director of ERAD.

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