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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 29 Oct 1992

Vol. 424 No. 6

Adjournment Debate. - Green Paper on Education.

The Green Party's views on education are extremely radical and we would argue that the present educational system does not serve the needs of the planet in that it encourages conformism, consumerism and exploitation. However, be that as it may, we do accept that the Green Paper, flawed as it is, is some effort to improve the many defects in the present system, and for that we can be thankful.

The Green Party's paper on education should be consulted by the Minister for Education, and I shall forward this to the Minister as part of the consultation process on his Green Paper. Unfortunately, many Members in the House have not taken the opportunity of reading this radical "Green" paper on education. I would recommed it to them; it might broaden their thinking on education to the benefit of future generations.

I think that everyone in the House would agree that the other Green Paper on Education is one of the most important policy documents issued in this area by Government for a number of years. A Green Paper, by defination, is a discussion document to be discussed not just by the Government, the Oireachtas or the various educational interest bodies — trade unions, Churches and so forth — it is, in my view, to be debated by the public at large — students, parents, teachers and everybody who is interested in education. Tremendous public interest has been shown in this paper and rightly so, but we must ask ourselves, has the Minister done everything to facilitate this debate. I would suggest that he has singularlay failed to provide for adequate public debate.

First, the Green Paper is available to anyone who is prepared to pay £10. I think we must start from here. I am not suggesting that the Green Paper should be distributed free to every persons, every household or even every teacher in the country because we must keep a balance between the need for maximum public debate on one hand and the needs of the Exchequer. It does not seem unreasonable to me that the Green Paper should be more readily available, free of charge, for those people sufficiently interested to seek it. For example, the paper should be available to individuals calling to Government publications. Other centres throughout the country could be sent a supply of copies to be distributed on the same basis.

The "so-called" public meetings which are taking place at certain urban areas are not being organised by the Department of Education and are not public; they are by invitation only and are attended by some union members and representatives of parent bodies. This is not adequate. The Department of Education should arrange meetings in both urban and rural areas to which all interested parties, students, parents, teachers, members of school management boards and so forth may come and question either the Minister or his representative after an outline of the proposals has been spelt out. It is extremely important that as much detailed information as possible be made available and discussed so that no-one need feel, after the consultation process is over, that they did not have adequate time or indeed the opportunity to participate in what is the most important development in education this century, barring the late Donough O'Malley's free, or as I would prefer to say, no direct charge, Education Bill of the seventies, though subsequent Governments have watered down this Bill to almost non-existence.

I hope that the Minister will be flexible and will not stick rigidly to the six months' time limit. I accept that some time limit must be imposed, but he should consider extending the time if there is public demand to do so.

Education is the very basis of our society. It is the making of future generations and it is the blueprint for the thinking which will shape the future of this world. Therefore, it is extremely important that a radical approach be adopted, and it is absolutely essential that consultation and communication with all interested groups be as open as possible, in as many locations around the country as possible. I would ask the Minister to please heed this very sincere request on behalf of very many parents, teachers and so forth in this country.

I do not accept the thrust of the Deputy's motion to the effect that there has not been sufficient opportunity for parents and members of the public to have an input in the national debate on the Green Paper. The Minister and I are seeking to actively facilitate the debate in every way open to us. Just as we welcomed every group and interested individual we would also be happy to include any proposals Deputy Garland wishes to put forward for consideration. The Introduction to the Green Paper containing all the main aims was published on 21 April 1992 and was made available extensively to all concerned, including individual teachers and schools. The full text was published in June and made available immediately to all the major interest groups. It was also published extensively in the national media. Copies were furnished to each school in the country and to all public libraries.

Immediately following the publication, senior officials from my Department invited all the main education interest groups, including parents councils to briefing/clarification meetings. We have taken every possible opportunity to talk to the various groups. Major seminars have already taken place in Cork and Limerick and seminars will be held in Sligo and Athlone in the coming weeks. Indeed only today the Minister announced a further two seminars to be organised in Galway and Dublin, such is their success. Even the Deputy would accept that there is a limit to the number of people who can be accommodated at seminars of this type. My approach was to invite a widely representative group to the meetings and also to give and opportunity to some members of the general public, including parents, to attend. When the Minister opened the first of the Green Paper seminars in Cork on 12 October, he stated that these seminars were a part — only a constituent part — of the consultation process which commenced as far back as last April.

The Minister and I have also attended numerous other privately organised seminars and my Department officials monitor the discussions at all these forums and on the national airwaves. We have made it clear that written submissions on any aspect of the Green Paper are welcome from any group or individual who wishes to comment. Some submissions have already been received and are being considered. Within the last two weeks also we have had wide discussion in this House and in the Seanad on the Green Paper. Surely there could not be a more representative group than the Members of Houses of the Oireachtas.

I am very pleased with the level and extent of the debate so far on the Green Paper among all concerned interests and the general public. It has been the most open and positive debate in the history of Irish education. Everyone, I know, is agreed on the importance of the issues facing us. Equally, I believe there is a desire on all sides to proceed as quickly as possible to the information of clear policy directions to facilitate the development and implementation of a new framework for our education system, in partnership with all concerned.

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