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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 29 Mar 1994

Vol. 440 No. 7

Private Members' Business. - Family Law (Property) Bill, 1994: Second Stage.

I move: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time".

Most of us are familiar with the axiom "nature abhors a vacuum". Justice abhors a vacuum also and this Bill is brought before the House in an attempt to fill an unconscionable vacuum in the laws affecting families. That vacuum specifically damages and denigrates women. It also makes a nonsense of claims that equality matters in this society.

The vacuum is caused by the fact that non-financial contributions such as child rearing and home making, do not entitle a spouse to any share in the family home. When Government speakers are waxing lyrical about family values, those contributions are portrayed as important but in real terms they are of purely notional value. The hand that rocks the cradle is not entitled to any share in the family home — not a room, a wall or a brick.

Patterns of living are changing. There are now men among the cradle rockers and home makers and that is welcome, but the vast majority of spouses who stay at home and enable their partners to go to work are women. Their menfolk bring home the wage packet at the end of the week or month. Some of his earnings will go towards financing the family home; he may contribute every month to the mortgage on the house. Women support that but there is no payoff for that support.

Mr. Justice Henchy summarised the present state of the law in 1986 when he stated:

Where the matrimonial home has been purchased in the name of the husband and the wife has, either directly or indirectly, made contributions towards the purchase price or towards the discharge of mortgage instalments, the husband will be held to be a trustee for the wife of a share in the house roughly corresponding with the proportion of the purchase money represented by the wife's total contribution. Such a trust will be inferred when the wife's contribution is of such a kind and size as will justify a conclusion that the acquisition of the house was achieved by the joint efforts of the spouses.

Where the wife's contribution has been indirect (such as by contributing, by means of her earnings, to a general family fund) the courts will, in the absence of any express or implied agreement to the contrary, infer a trust in favour of the wife, on the ground that she has, to that extent, relieved the husband of the financial burden he incurred in purchasing the house.

More recently, in 1992, the Supreme Court ruled that "anything that would help to encourage that basis of full sharing in property values as well as in every other way between the partners of a marriage, must directly contribute to the stability of the marriage, the institution of the family, and the common good". In 1993, as we are all aware, an attempt was made to address this issue. The Matrimonial Home Bill of that year provided that all spouses, with very few exceptions, were to have a half share in the family home. This year the Supreme Court faulted that measure.

With the benefit of hindsight it is easy to understand that the Supreme Court sees the law as a disproportionate interference in the autonomy of the family. The Oireachtas cannot ram a legislative solution down the necks of couples who have freely decided to make arrangements that do not fit into this 50/50 scenario, hence the vacuum of which I spoke earlier.

There is more leadership in the average playschool than from this strange, oversized Government with its mixture of skittishness and humourless rigidity. I will return to the issue of non-leadership in a moment but I want to put this Bill in context.

The significance of this Bill is that it demonstrates lateral thinking; it seeks to approach the real problem from a new and different angle. The problem is that the role and contribution of the non-working spouse is unrecognised by our system and insufficiently protected by our laws. This Bill sets out to redress the imbalance by providing that, in any litigation concerning the ownership of the family home, the courts would be entitled, under section 4, to inquire whether, and to what extent, the non-financial contributions made to a family household had "directly or indirectly enabled or assisted" the other spouse "to acquire or enlarge any interest ... in such property".

Section 4 empowers the courts to make a decision that the spouse's non-financial contribution will entitle him or her to an equitable share in the family home. It represents a step forward on one of the objectives of the Matrimonial Home Bill because it says to the spouse who stayed at home, minded the children, if there are any, and generally created a situation which allows her husband to earn money to buy a house, that her actions have enabled her husband to acquire — or enlarge — an interest in the family home. By virtue of that contribution, she is entitled for the first time to claim a proprietary interest in that home.

In making that legislative statement, this Bill elegantly walks a narrow line between two factors. On one side is the reasoning of the Supreme Court in 1992 which acknowledged that "... anything that would help to encourage ... full sharing in property values as well as in every other way between the partners of a marriage, must directly contribute to the stability of the marriage, the institution of the family, and the common good". On the other side is the need to avoid straying into the area of unconstitutionality by including the element of legislative compulsion in the Matrimonial Home Bill.

In mentioning the Supreme Court rationale of 1992, it is perhaps worth reminding ourselves that the Chief Justice at that time noted what he dubbed "a very common modern habit". He referred to "... the very significant social and other values which are attached to what experience would indicate is a very common modern habit, whereby the parties to a marriage and the parents of a family, by agreement between them, become joint owners of the family home".

It is a very common modern habit. There is an assumption that the proper and equitable thing to do about the home where they live with their children is to share it and to put on paper a clear and legal declaration of their shared understanding on this issue. For many young couples that is the situation, but not for all.

The issue of ownership creates odd throwbacks. Even today, some men believe that the money they earn by the sweat of their individual brow, is what buys the house and that it should, therefore, be in their name only. Some young women entering marriage today are naïve enough to believe that since he is earning the money the house should be in his name. There will be women who can be emotionally blackmailed into not standing up for their rights, who can be persuaded not to find such apparent minutiae important in circumstances in which their spouse seems better able to cope with them, at a time when they are just about to live happily ever after. What happens when they do not live happily ever after? Under the provisions of this Bill each partner would have his or her real contribution to the purchase of the family home acknowledged in law. I use the phrase "real contribution" because the essence of this Bill is that it does not just count money, it counts the context which allowed one of the partners to make the money that is paid into the mortgage.

There might be fears that, within the provisions of this Bill, might be lurking an injustice waiting to happen. For example, take the circumstances in which a couple may have signed themselves into joint ownership. Could the provisions of this Bill mean that subsequently the courts could assess that the non-financial contribution of one partner — for argument sake, let us say the wife — entitled her to less than 50 per cent of the family home? The answer is "no", the provisions of this Bill could not be interpreted in such a manner. The provisions of section 4 (3) limit the power to create an equitable share to an overall cap of a 50 per cent interest in the property. What that means is that property already in joint names would not be affected, that non-financial contributions could not reduce either spouse's interest in the home or its contents below 50 per cent.

Nor do the provisions of this Bill apply to cases of marital breakdown. Rather they mean that the power to recognise an equitable share, based on non-financial contributions, exists independently of marital breakdown or judicial separation. Where a couple have no intention of separating but where, for example, there is an issue of succession rights, the present position would not obtain, that present position meaning that the non-financial contribution of a spouse is partly recognised only by the legal share provision of the Succession Act.

This Bill is being proposed by the Progressive Democrats in the interests of justice, of equity but, above all, in the interests of equality. What is strange is that the Progressive Democrats should have to take this action or fill this vacuum at all because, when this Government was joined together in an unholy partnership, it invented a whole new Department of Equality and Law Reform. On the face of it this did not appear to be such a bad thing. I would have thought not a bad thing at all, because we have a grossly unequal society. It does not appear to be so unequal if one is young, male, monied and able-bodied but, if one is getting older, if one has a disability or is poor and if one is a woman, it appears fairly unequal. We have equality legislation but it is driven largely from Europe.

There are many laws on the Statute Book that speak to an Ireland no longer exists. We have a need for a great many laws covering aspects of life that speak to the Ireland that does exist as we move towards the end of this century. If we had a real, live Minister for Law Reform we felt things might change for the better. At the time the Progressive Democrats hoped so because we are not cynics; we are willing to give the benefit of the doubt. We are not credulous but, having seen what might be called the rampant idealism of the Labour Party in Opposition, we though it would be interesting to see them in Government, and it has been very interesting. Many times, for the wrong reasons, as Deputy Seán Haughey pointed out in a bijou example of the pot calling the kettle black, the Labour Party got into nest-feathering in a big way once given the chance. What does it matter if a few nests are feathered when there will be £8 billion worth of readies to feather everybody's nest, to fill everybody's pothole, extend the DART up everybody's front path, train everybody to a level of skill that will be the envy of competing nations? Eight billion green bottles hanging on the wall. If one billion green bottles should accidentally fall, there might even be seven billion left, or there might not be. This Government's arithmetic is not so hot.

The one thing the Government does have — and it does not have £8 billion to play with——

I wonder what this has to do with the Bill.

The one thing this Government does have is a plan, a Programme for a Partnership Government. One cannot miss it because, everywhere one turns, there are references to it. Whenever one tunes in to radio programme and hears a Minister speak, particularly a Labour Party Minister, one will know what it is about even if one has not heard the introduction. All such interviews begin by stating that whatever factory it is they are opening or whatever grant they are distributing is a delivery on their promises in their Programme for Partnership Government. There appears to be a fear we are not paying attention to how closely their work is following the homework plan they set themselves. The only problem is that the great visionaries who dreamed up this homework plan did not factor in the possibility that all circumstances might not remain the same. That is not logical. Once one reaches the age of reason one knows that things change, for example, that a law may be found to be unconstitutional. In that case it is the duty of the Government to find a method of advancing their expressed policy that takes account of the changed circumstances and of the unconstitutionality of the law. Unfortunately, we have just witnessed circumstances in which that has not happened.

This Government supposedly is committed to a divorce referendum and to putting in place, in advance of that referendum, a corpus of legislation which would ensure that the people can vote on this major issue without fears being drummed up in relation to property, succession rights or anything else. Were this Government genuinely committed to getting the divorce referendum right, when the Matrimonial Home Bill was found to be unconstitutional it would have moved clearly, cohesively and confidently to fill the vacuum, thereby ensuring that this gap in our legislation would not be allowed to continue.

Instead, the Minister, and the Government as a whole, behaved as it something unseemly had happened, that it was really better not to talk about it. Over the past few months the Minister — and I have challenged him many times on this — seems to have been endeavouring to drop the whole issue and pretend it does not matter. Never mind now that that Bill was positioned as one of several qualifying steps which would allow voters to vote "yes" to divorce with an easy mind. Suddenly that essential prerequisite does not exist any more, yet its absence does not appear to be important to the Minister or the Government. I cannot remember much of an input from the Minister on the issue since the Supreme Court judgment was handed down. When I think of pictures in the papers over the past few months what springs to mind are those of Ministers announcing the siting of new factories, the old story of positive photo opportunities, X marking the spot where jobs will be created.

Dessie used to mark the spot where they were lost.

There are no photo opportunities in regard to the thousands of spouses left without legislative acknowledgment of their contribution to the purchase of the family home.

This is a Government that can produce press releases in handfuls but not on this crucial issue. It can haul in the best legal advice for all sorts of purposes, yet has not come up with any legal solution to this problem. Maybe that is because it is not in the Programme for a Partnership Government. When it comes to divorce, we do not have Ministers, Labour Ministers in particular, jostling with each other to come on the airwaves to announce how much progress they are making. They are not making any progress. Certainly they are not coming up with solutions to people's genuine concerns, not coming up with interesting examples from other countries worth emulating. They are not fighting back when the notion of divorce, plus women's liberation and anything else that can be added to the argument to falsely weight it, is slammed by a bishop. They are not responding sensitively or creatively to emerging problems. Does that mean that divorce is no longer part of the Programme for a Partnership Government? Does that mean that we should forget about equality?

The Labour Party seems happy that all the noises it made in Opposition, and the generalities of the programme, will protect it from having to deliver in any real way. Their Ministers seem convinced that how they are perceived is more important than what they actually do — faith rather than good works. Never mind equality — feel the myth. They presented us, in particular the women of Ireland, with a package of legislative reform, all leading as logically as the alphabet to an orderly divorce referendum. Yet when one crucial letter fell out of that legislative alphabet they presented it half-heartedly as if it were a "stand alone", as if it were not important. They reacted as if it were no longer within their control or influence. It is worth stressing at this point that it is neither outside their control nor influence but I am beginning to believe it is certainly outside their interest, that it is being left to the Opposition to come up with the legislation that will make sense of this complicated, sensitive area. We are happy to do that.

The Progressive Democrats take democracy as seriously as it deserves, that includes giving credit where credit is due. Recently, the Minister for Justice, showed herself to have courage and openness and did not adopt rigid positions to prove a point; she accepted amendments to legislation. The Government could learn from that type of openness and approach this Bill in a spirit of openness and flexibility. There are two good reasons for this. First, because this is a good and problem solving Bill, and, second, if the Government is serious about divorce it needs this Bill to allay the fears and suspicions of so many women in Ireland. The question is whether it is serious about divorce.

Our efforts in recent times to have all-party discussions on the issue met with a blank refusal. Our party leader, Deputy Harney, requested this many times on the Order of Business. An objective answer to the question of whether the Government is serious about divorce is "No", it is not being taken one step further. If the Government was serious about divorce the two parties in Government in a unified and cohesive way, would be outlining the priorities of the campaign in speeches since this is an issue affecting every constituency. The parties should be setting out to persuade undecided voters to vote affirmatively in the referendum. There has been a conspicuous absence of such activity.

Ministers are making announcements and performing official openings every day but none of them on any of these public occasions avail of the opportunity to talk about the divorce issue. It appears there is not a chance of that happening. The reason is that to talk about divorce would actually require moral courage, something which is in short supply on the Government benches. Moral courage is shown by ownership. What I mean by this is that if you ask people in the street who is proposing the divorce referendum and who is pushing it they will look at you blankly. It simply will not occur to them that it is the Government who are — theoretically — committed to winning a referendum on divorce. There is no evidence to support the notion that the Government is committed to winning such a referendum.

Every now and then people talk in similes about moving chairs on the deck of the Titanic. I hope the House will allow an extension of that metaphor. It seems that the Government owns a ship called the “divorce referendum”. It commissioned the ship and told everybody that it was a safe and seaworthy ship. It must be remembered how it was claimed the Titanic was unsinkable. Having done that, the Government then found the ship had hit an iceberg. That was when the key aspect of the Government package was found to be unconstitutional. That iceberg tore the bottom out of the boat and knocked for six the idea that the ship was safe and seaworthy. What happened then? Did the Government rally round and fix the ship so that all the passengers continued to feel comfortable on board? On the contrary, the good ship, “divorce referendum”, continued to drift along in no particular direction without a navigator and nobody at the wheel. It continued to take water. The crew was nowhere to be seen, some seem to have climbed on to the iceberg and floated off somewhere else. However, one thing is clear, the good ship, “divorce referendum,” is not being captained, navigated, or crewed, it is adrift, low in the water and I cannot see anyone manning the pumps.

The electorate are entitled to ask what is going on and, as a Member of the mystified Opposition, I am entitled to speculate.

I suspect that one of the things going on is the European elections. Moral courage in any Government party goes down in direct relation to how electorally exposed that party is at a given time and right now both Government parties are considerably exposed. Lowest common denominator politics has broken out with candidates being vigorously assertive on absolutely safe issues and ignoring anything which is not cast iron guaranteed predictable.

The divorce issue is not cast iron guaranteed predictable. There is no safety in this issue which is why it requires moral courage and political maturity. Moral courage means facing up to the realities of Irish life at this time in our history and political maturity means not hiding behind circumstances.

The realities of Irish life are that we have a substantial — not a huge — minority of married couples who cannot and will not continue as a couple and who wish to be legally freed to establish families with other individuals. This is not a fashion. This is not an impulsive, whimsical pattern that can be changed by a lash of back to basics mega-morality. This is change, permanent change. Those of us lucky enough to have found happiness in our marriages might wish that everybody could be as lucky, conscious that this wish, if fulfilled, would mean that we did not need divorce.

I am always wary when I hear phrases such as "family values", because something inside me doubts the sincerity of their use. I have never heard a really happy family talk about family values and I have never heard a politician speak along these lines without having that coppery taste in the mouth that comes from something being wrong with the chemistry. Whatever about something being wrong with the chemistry, there is certainly something wrong with the logic when people suggest that a "Yes" in the divorce referendum will "open the floodgates" and create overnight a divorce culture. The reverse is more likely to happen.

No matter where you go in Ireland there are failed marriages. Each of us has a friend, or several friends, whose marriages have failed. Most of them, exemplifying the old saw about hope triumphing over experience, want to marry again; to publicly and legally make a statement about the validity of their second relationship and second family. They cannot do that. They have to go to other countries and have to cope on a day-to-day basis with all of the humiliating bureaucratic hassles a society without divorce legislation puts in the way of second families. There is some notion that this supports marriage. It does not.

An affirmative vote in the referendum and proper divorce legislation here would not only not create an instant divorce culture, it would make decent sense and show society's respect to individuals and couples who are marginalised into some limbo of the separated. All of what I am saying should have been heard — and heard regularly — from the Minister for Equality and Law Reform, because there are few inequalities that are so patently obvious, and so created by the inadequacies of our laws, than the completely false inequality of not being entitled to marry again under Irish law.

Yet the Minister has led no charge on this nor has his party. They hoped to get credit for pushing the great rump of Fianna Fáil towards divorce: see us, little Lilliputians, fearless and liberal, pushing Gulliver ahead of us. Somewhere along the line, they lost faith in what they were doing and Gulliver has always had his doubts.

I would go further and accuse the Government of two profound failures. One of those failures is its complete inertia in the face of finding that what was perceived as a key aspect of its programme was unconstitutional — the inertia that has left the Progressive Democrats introducing this Bill. The second is the failure to stand up to those who are setting out to frighten people away from divorce.

Within the past few weeks, an archbishop in a pastoral letter said that divorce would, "undermine stable family life". No Government member moved to challenge this untenable claim. That same pastoral letter moved decisively into the day-to-day administrative issues of the State, rather than staying on the moral issues of the faithful. Among other things, its author threatened the nation with increased social welfare charges if divorce was introduced. That is not what I would expect a bishop to concentrate on. Did the Minister for Social Welfare or anybody else on the Government benches deal with this issue? No, it was a case of head down and say nothing.

We think we have developed moral courage in the past 20 years. We laugh about old episodes of crozier-flailing: that was way back at the time of the incident concerning the nightdress on the "Late Late Show". This is about an issue affecting the dignity, the children, the hopes, the fulfilment and the contribution of individuals and couples throughout this nation.

Now we have a bishop supporting his moral stance, to which he is absolutely entitled, with highly questionable fiscal allegations and the silence from the Government is deafening, at a time when the Government is supposedly putting forward a divorce referendum and running a campaign to help us all make the right choice.

That silence is a disgrace. Someone in Government needs to spell out the financial and social welfare implications of divorce legislation. The financial consequences of marriage breakdown must be faced and divorce must not be allowed to be blamed for all of these financial consequences. They follow, inevitably, on the breakdown of a relationship between a man and a woman, not from divorce per se which just allows for remarriage and a formal dissolution of a union.

Not only did a Minister not establish these facts but no Minister had the courage to point out that the Church grants a number of annulments every year in Ireland, that those annulments mean that, so far as the Church is concerned, the two people involved are not married, that they were never legally married, under Church law in the first place, that when one takes account of the number of Church annulments in the past 30 years, one realises there are hundreds of people who, according to the law of the Church, are now entitled to marry and start again, that divorce legislation would permit those people to get on with their lives but that the bishop is condemning divorce legislation. Nor did any Government Minister complain about the reference in the pastoral letter to "an extremist movement from women's liberation that can also injure the family" by "its promotion of an exaggerated view of the self-sufficiency of wives". Perhaps the Government has decided that this is one campaign it will not win easily and there will be less embarrassment later if nobody takes a courageous high profile right now or does anything noticeable in the way of creative thinking; let the Opposition show courage and tease out the issues.

I do not know about the rest of the Opposition, but the Progressive Democrats are deeply unhappy with the unchallenged myth that is growing up that divorce legislation is an attack on the family, largely driven by addicts of the "liberal agenda". Divorce legislation is not an attack on marriage or the family.

The Government, by virtue of its majority, is in a position to give almost risk-free leadership on this isssue but it is giving no leadership at all. It is allowing bogey-men to be created like the notion of an instant divorce culture. A nation does not suddenly develop a culture because of the passing of long overdue legislation or because a referendum succeeds. At the moment we have a culture of deceit and despair on the issue of marital breakdown which conceals the truth. It is time we grew out of that culture and that this House behaved with dignity and with vision.

I call on the Government to do the job it is supposed to do. If the Government says it wants the voters to say "yes" in a referendum, then the Government should show us which of the overseas models provide an example of the worst "divorce culture" and which give us the best example of support for families in trouble, primacy of concern for the needs and rights of children, and the supportive taxation and social welfare arrangements to ensure that women do not come badly out of divorce, as is undoubtedly the case in many countries.

For a divorce campaign to be successful, we must be absolutely sure that we have all the mechanisms in place to support marriage and especially children. There is no indication that the Government has either the openness, vision, or legislative competence to put all those mechanisms in place before the referendum, and there is every indication that, as a result, it will be all too easy to frighten people by parading the worst scenarios which see Ireland as socially disrupted and financially bankrupt. This process is already under way, unchallenged by the Government.

The lack of vision, clarity and courage by the Government on this issue is likely to have two effects — one long term, one short term. The long term effect is the loss of the referendum. The short term effect is that, in the forthcoming elections, the divorce issue will degenerate into an unthinking and polarised slanging match in the interests of shortsighted political gain. No politician will gain from that.

The Progressive Democrats, in bringing this Bill before the House, are conscious that it is oddly archaic. It seems ironic that after 20 years of waiting for a joint ownership in the family home to be secured for women, it is only to be bestowed to wives by the Matrimonial Home Bill, as it were, in the mouth of a divorce referendum. For very many women contemplating divorce, this new Bill will reassure them of their equal status in marriage and it is good for those women who are currently in good marriages to feel that they have a share in the collective wealth of the family.

It must be remembered that, in many cases, the family home is the main asset of a family and acknowledgment of ownership gives recognition to wives and mothers. This is one of the items, of course, which the Minister had on his pre-divorce agenda since the legitimate uncertainties of many people on this matter at the time of the last divorce referendum were obvious and significantly contributed to the defeat of the referendum.

It is necessary that such a major plank be achieved in the run up to divorce. The perception is that we need this new Bill. It is a practical, thoughtful yet speedy response to a problem which might well sink the divorce referendum — perhaps it is too speedy for the Government judging by what the Taoiseach said today. It is brought before the House by the Progressive Democrats as a clear indicator of our belief that both marriage and divorce must be based on principles of equality and must not thoughtlessly infringe upon the rights of either party.

We believe that a yes in the divorce referendum will be a generous, mature and informed acknowledgment of human and demographic realities and will help to create an Ireland which values both individuals and the family.

This Bill goes a considerable way towards allaying the fears of many women who saw the Matrimonial Home Bill declared unconstitutional and looked to the Government for a way out of the mess. What we are putting to the Government is sane and secure. Within the context of the divorce referendum there should be a legislative framework in place. I commend this Bill to the House.

This is a Bill designed to deal with court disputes between spouses in relation to the matrimonial home. It purports to empower the courts in such proceedings to give recognition, where the need arises, to non-financial contributions by spouses to the acquisition of the matrimonial home.

The Government does not propose to accept the Bill because it would have no practical effect on the law in this area which already contains comprehensive provisions for distribution of ownership of family property between the spouses based on non-financial considerations such as working in the home.

Before turning to the serious defects in this Bill, I want to address the divorce issue. I do so because of the probability that some Opposition Deputies will attempt to link that issue with this Bill, as did Deputy Keogh.

In recent days, there has been a great deal of talk in the media and in other places about the so-called "liberal agenda". One is supposed to believe, on the basis of at least some of this commentary, that it is not possible to be concerned with issues that involve pluralism and tolerance, and at the same time to be concerned about the need for more jobs and tax reform.

There are, it appears, some who believe that the "liberal agenda" constitutes a set of obsessions, rather than issues, which so preoccupy the Government that it cannot attend to its normal business. That is just rubbish. All of the issues involved in the liberal agenda have their right and proper place in the scheme of things, and are properly open for public debate and action.

One of these issues, obviously, is divorce. To listen to some of the critics, one would think that the Government's intention was to ram change down the throats of the people in order to turn Ireland into a suburb of Reno, Nevada. This kind of analysis is utter rubbish. The Government is committed to moving towards a situation, through the removal of the constitutional ban on divorce, whereby people whose marriages are irretrievably over will secure the opportunity to remarry, provided certain reasonable conditions are met. Those conditions must and will include protections for children and spouses.

Although the Matrimonial Home Bill, 1993 was part of the Programme for Government, and was part of a series of law reform measures which the Government intended to introduce, and although it had the backing of all parties in both Houses of the Oireachtas, it was not part of the legislative programme regarded by the Government as essential in advance of the referendum on divorce. Nor could any further measure to achieve similar ends be regarded as essential prior to the divorce referendum.

The reason is simple, but it seems to have eluded some people on the Opposition benches. In marital breakdown, the courts have power to make an order known as a property adjustment order, which can transfer an interest of one spouse in any property, including the family home, to the other spouse. Therefore, regardless of whether the family home is jointly owned or in the sole name of one spouse, the courts have jurisdiction to protect the dependent spouse by giving that spouse a part or full interest in the family home.

This is the law of the land in separation cases under the Judicial Separation and Family Law Reform Act, 1989. It will be extended to cases of nullity and foreign divorce by the Family Law Bill, 1994. If and when the divorce referendum is passed, legislation will be introduced to extend the power to make property adjustment orders to divorce cases.

I will refer to a few facts about the Government's approach to the divorce referendum, in view of the cloud of misinformation under which the Opposition is labouring on this issue. The Opposition would do well to recall that if it chooses to play politics with the divorce issue, it will have to take responsibility for the consequences.

The Government is entirely united behind the divorce referendum, which is a fundamental commitment of the Programme for a Partnership Government, to which both Government Parties fully subscribe and is putting in place a detailed plan of administrative and legislative measures preparatory to that referendum. Much of that work has been done; the remaining measures will be put in place shortly. Preparations are on course for the referendum, and the Government will not be deflected from its task. The Government's programme of family law reform culminating in the divorce referendum is already in the course of being implemented. The matters being advanced are the Family Law Bill, 1994, expansion and development of the legal aid system and of mediation services and increases in funding of counselling services.

The Family Law Bill, 1994 now before the Select Committee on Legislation and Security is one of the most extensive family law legislation measures to be initiated in recent times. It has measures aimed at protecting and safeguarding the institution of marriage and it provides substantial powers to the courts to deal with the financial consequences of marital breakdown in certain cases. Those powers will in substance be the same as the powers in any divorce legislation and they include wide powers in relation to maintenance, lump sums and property generally, including the family home and pensions.

The Minister for Equality and Law Reform has already secured £5 million as grant-in-aid for the Legal Aid Board in 1994 which will allow the board to open ten new full-time and four new part-time law centres this year. This unprecedented expansion will result in every county having either a full-time or part-time law centre in 1994. The legislation to put the scheme of civil legal aid and advice on a statutory footing is at an advanced stage of drafting and will be introduced as quickly as possible.

The Minister for Equality and Law Reform has also secured £300,000 for the development of the Family Mediation Service and he will be announcing his proposals in that regard shortly.

A provision of £750,000 has also been provided for the assistance of bodies involved in marriage counselling to enable them to expand their counselling services. The Minister shall allocate that money very shortly to the relevant bodies.

The Government has made important decisions on the tax and social welfare aspects of marital breakdown. It has agreed: (a) that property transfers between spouses whose marriages are dissolved following divorce or are annulled should be dealt with on the same basis as transfers between spouses; and (b) that the necessary changes in social welfare should be made to ensure that no spouse will be disadvantaged in terms of his or her social welfare entitlements as a result of his or her legal status being changed from married, separated or deserted to divorced or annulled.

The remaining measures required in connection with the divorce referendum are being worked on actively and will be put in place shortly. Two working sub-committees of the Government have been established to ensure that the technical and political aspects of the measure will be worked out in sufficient detail to enable the people to take a decision on the right of remarriage, in full possession of all the facts, well before the end of the year.

The details of the tax and social welfare decisions referred to will be spelled out in statutory form, and there will be further legislation on enforcement of maintenance orders and to put the civil legal aid scheme on a statutory basis. The definitive proposals of the Government for an amendment of the Constitution on divorce will, as they must, be in the form of a Bill since a precondition of the holding of any referendum is the initiation of a Bill in the House. The date of publication of that Bill will, to a large extent, be determined by the date on which the Government proposes to hold the referendum and it is the Government's intention to proceed with the necessary legislative framework as quickly as possible.

The Minister for Justice has already indicated to the House that she is examining the court services. In the course of that examination she will have the benefit of the Consultation Paper of the Law Reform Commission which has just been published.

In summary, this Government has a detailed plan of action leading to the divorce referendum. It has already invested enormous work in putting that plan into place and will continue to do so. That plan is on course for the referendum. The Government is united behind that plan, and it is very much hoped that the Opposition can have the grace to recognise that, and to support our common objective, to lift the absolute constitutional bar on the right to remarry.

There is no similarity between this Bill and the Matrimonial Home Bill, 1993. The object of the Matrimonial Home Bill was to give each spouse equal rights of ownership in the matrimonial home and contents unless they already had those rights. It proposed that the home and contents be held by both spouses jointly so that if one spouse died the other would become the sole owner of the joint interest. The Bill was supported by all political parties, family law groups and the Second Commission on the Status of Women and the policy of the Bill had been supported by successive Governments. The Bill applied equally to both spouses. Spouses who had no ownership interest in the matrimonial home would have gained joint ownership and spouses who were sole owners of such homes would have lost sole ownership and become joint owners with the other spouse. The Bill was regarded as having particular implications for women who worked by looking after the home or caring for the family. The decision of the Supreme Court was that the Bill was unconstitutional. It is a decision which has been met with great disappointment by many people who supported the Bill, not least those mainly affected who, for the most part, would have been non-owning spouses who worked in the Home.

Nobody in this House can possibly doubt the commitment of this Government to the cause of family law reform or to the principle of partnership in marriage and in marital property.

The idea of automatic co-ownership of the family home first emerged in the report of the First Commission on the Status of Women as far back as 1972. After 21 years of waiting, after reports from the Law Reform Commission, the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Women's Rights, and the Second Commission on the Status of Women, it was this Government which finally introduced the Matrimonial Home Bill and saw it through both Houses of the Oireachtas. In light of the adverse Supreme Court decision, and in view of the complex issues of law involved, I would have thought that all sides of this House would accept the need to proceed in a considered and careful way in this matter.

Instead, what do we get? As recently as Wednesday of last week. Deputy Michael McDowell intimated to the House that he intended to make suggestions regarding matrimonial property by way of proposed amendments to the Family Law Bill, 1994. Some time between then and now the issue has become, in his and his party's mind, a measure that is so urgent that only one day's notice of it can be given to the Government.

On the principle of the Bill, I would remind the House that at Question Time on 22 February 1994, the Minister for Equality and Law Reform intimated to the House that he was sympathetic to the idea of legislation providing for the valuing of work in the home by a spouse, but that the matter required the most careful consideration. I can assure the House that the matter has received and will continue to receive careful and sympathetic consideration by the Minister, but there is nothing to be gained and everything to be lost by neglecting the careful analysis of the legal and practical issues which would have to precede any proposals for change in this area.

If the Government believed that a ready alternative to the Matrimonial Home Bill was possible the Government would be only too happy to promote or support such an alternative. The fact is, uncomfortable though it may be, that no such ready alternative exists. The Bill now before the House fails to add anything meaningful to the law as it already operates in this area and could lead to considerable uncertainty and confusion.

The Bill is misconceived and is based on a misunderstanding of the law as it already operates in the area of family property. It is being put forward as a modest proposal and as one to protect the non-working spouse. I have to be cruel to be kind and say that the measure is neither modest nor protective. It is a complete non-event and is bereft of any meaningful protection.

It is, I fear, a measure born of political expediency. I understand that some spokespersons of the Progressive Democrats Party have, since the decision of the Supreme Court, expressed the view loudly that notwithstanding that decision, there is still much more that can be done by legislative means to give recognition to the work of spouses in the home. They have been critical of the Government for not acting quickly enough to do something about the matter. At least we now know what the Progressive Democrats had in mind when they gave the impression, not for the first time, that they had all the answers. This Bill completely flatters to deceive and is in no way acceptable as a measure protective of spouses' work in the home.

I now propose to set out the background to and the reasons for rejecting this Bill. In Ireland, ownership of property has always been a complex matter and has often given rise to strong feelings. For many people, the most significant piece of property they will ever own is the family home. Not surprisingly in matrimonial disputes the home is often the focus of the most intense emotions. There is general support for the view that joint ownership of the matrimonial home is socially desirable and is to be encouraged. When the Matrimonial Home Bill came before the House, that support translated itself into widespread approval for both its intended purpose and the way in which it attempted to achieve that purpose.

In its decision on the Bill, the Supreme Court accepted that the provisions of the Bill were directed towards encouraging the joint ownership of matrimonial homes and that such an objective was clearly an important element of the common good conducive to the stability of marriage and the general protection of the institution of the family. The court went on to hold that the right of a married couple to make a joint decision as to the ownership of a matrimonial home is one of the rights protected by the Constitution and that its exercise is an important part of the authority of the family which the State guarantees to protect. According to the court's decision, the provisions of the Bill did not comply with the relevant constitutional provisions.

The implications of the Supreme Court's decision have been carefully examined by the Government. It was clear that the judgment went to the root of what the Bill was trying to accomplish and that it would be no mere matter of adjusting the Bill in some point of detail in order to make it conform to constitutinal requirements. Accordingly, the Government decided not to proceed with an amended version of the Matrimonial Home Bill or with any measure based on it.

It would be a mistake to think that the various protections now in place, most notably under the Succession Act, 1965, the Family Home Protection Act, 1976 and the Judicial Separation and Family Law Reform Act, 1989, have been adversely affected by the decision of the Supreme Court. The Government is actively examining the ways in which these protections might be strengthened and affirmed. This does not mean that the Government no longer believes in promoting the concept of equality of ownership rights in the matrimonial home. If meaningful reform in this area is to be attained, any legislation must secure a real and tangible interest for a non-owning spouse in the matrimonial home. If this were not to be the case, any legislation would lack credibility.

This lack of credibility is very evident in the legislation now before this House. Essentially, all that it is saying is that in the case of applications brought under section 12 of the Married Women's Status Act, 1957, which allows the courts to determine property disputes between spouses, the courts will, in declaring that a spouse has a benefical interest in the family home, be empowered to take into account the non-financial contributions to the family household of that spouse. Such a measure is clearly of very limited use, if any, in the normal marriage situation. The explanatory memorandum openly admits that the Bill is designed for the situation where there is litigation concerning the ownership of the family home and, in consequence, it acknowledges that the Bill is a very modest proposal.

Prior to the Judicial Separation and Family Law Reform Act, 1989, section 12 of the 1957 Act was frequently used in a situation of marital breakdown where one or both spouses wished to establish their ownership rights to any property. The Act provided a mechanism for this by way of a court declaration in relation to such interests. In other words, the Act offered a way in which disputes about property which arose between spouses could be resolved by way of court intervention but, with the advent of the Judicial Separation and Family Law Reform Act, 1989, the procedure under the 1957 Act is no longer being availed of in many cases. This is hardly surprising since the 1989 Act contains substantial property adjustment provisions which ensure that the needs of a dependent spouse and children can be given full recognition by the courts.

The contribution of a spouse in looking after the home and caring for the family is an important criterion to be borne in mind by the court. This is spelled out clearly and unmistakably in the 1989 Act. As Deputies will be aware, the Family Law Bill, 1994, which is before the Select Committee on Legislation and Security, having recently passed Second Stage in the House, retains this important reference to work in the home.

Recent statistics on the property adjustment provisions show that over the last two years a total of 1,822 decrees of judicial separation were granted and a total of 1,316 orders relating to property were made in respect of those decrees. The orders included 515 property transfer orders, 518 orders for residence in the family home, 150 property settlement orders and 122 orders for sale of the family home.

The court, in making property orders relating to the sale of the family home, is most likely to order that the net proceeds of sale be split evenly between the parties. Where an order is made transferring legal title from one spouse to another or giving residency of the family home to one spouse, usually a mother with dependent children, to the exclusion of the other spouse, it is usually the case that a declaration is made by the court at the time of making such an order that each spouse will have equal beneficial ownership in the home.

The statistics which I have given indicate the importance of the property transfer provisions in the context of separation. Those provisions are being extended to cases of nullity and foreign decrees of divorce, separation and nullity under the Family Law Bill and will, in time, become even more important.

I am putting some emphasis on this point in order to make it clear that it is my belief that this Bill does little to address the ordinary needs of a couple whose marriage is stable and who, in the normal course of events, would not contemplate litigation in order to resolve a matter so personal to them as the ownership of the family home. Were matters to reach a stage where litigation was contemplated, the reality is that it is likely that the marital discord would give rise to a judicial separation action and, in that context, it is already well within the power of the courts to provide for an equitable property settlement.

A fundamental problem with this Bill is that it proposes court intervention as the only way in which a spouse who works within the home can obtain a beneficial interest in that home. The Matrimonial Home Bill sought to remove the need to demonstrate a contribution to the marriage in order to acquire an ownership stake in that home. Joint ownership flowed as a right from the fact of the marriage relationship. The Private Members' Bill not only restores that notion of contribution but openly invites spouses to litigate on the matter. That approach is, arguably, inappropriate where a marriage is not in difficulties. The Bill could be viewed as likely to give rise to marital disharmony. If a couple cannot reach an agreement between themselves on joint ownership of the family home, the invocation by one spouse of court jurisdiction in this area could give rise to considerable family tensions.

This Bill will not give rise to any changes whatsoever in those provisions in the law which already recognise the work of spouses in the home. The guidelines given to the court under the Bill lack precision and are vague in what they purport to achieve.

A striking absence from the Bill is any express mention of the main circumstance which presumably gave rise to the Bill, namely, the recognition which should be given to spouses who work by looking after the home or caring for the family. The Bill also fails to mention what should happen in the event that spouses have already agreed or that spouses agree on a division of ownership of the family home. It could be argued that the Bill as it stands would conflict with the test laid down by the Supreme Court on the Matrimonial Home Bill regarding disproportionate interference with the rights of families to make decisions having regard to Article 41 of the Constitution. Before any interest can be established, an expensive court action would be necessary under the provisions of the Bill. The interest would take time to establish and, in a situation where one is talking mainly about contributions which are not monetary in nature, the precise share in the home to which a spouse is likely to be entitled may well be uncertain.

One may argue that these same features are also present in the provisions of the Judicial Separation and Family Law Reform Act, 1989 and in the Family Law Bill provisions which replace them. In those instances, one is talking about marital breakdown where it is appropriate to make final and definitive provisions in relation to property matters.

Here, one may well be talking of a valid and subsisting marriage where the same features may not be appropriate at all. If the parties were amenable to jointly owning the family home, it could be done under present arrangements and, while conveyancing fees might apply, stamp duty and the normal registration fees would not. Clearly this Bill would be of relevance only where the spouses could not agree on such ownership. In such circumstances, any court action might well be contested and any future relationship between the spouses would almost inevitably be impaired.

The Bill is very short on detail. Section 4 is the key provision. However, that section is only of assistance where a spouse has enabled or assisted the other spouse to acquire or enlarge a legal or equitable interest in the family home. The common situation here would be in relation to a mortgaged property where the work by one spouse of parenting and household management facilitates the other spouse in making repayments on the family home. The section would have no application where the property was acquired by way of gift to a spouse, a frequent situation in the context where the family farm is transferred to a member of the younger generation or where it was inherited under a will on intestacy.

This is a section that bristles with anomalies. A couple could have lived in a family home for ten or 20 years and because one spouse had received it by way of gift and was the sole legal owner, the other spouse, if that spouse worked solely within the home, would have no stake in its ownership under this Bill. However, should a mortgage be raised on that property, for whatever reason, those household contributions would suddenly assume a degree of relevance under this Bill, although no other circumstances would have changed.

There are few in this House who could regard this as being a totally satisfactory response to the needs of the situation.

Under section 4 the court is asked to determine "the extent of a spouse's non-financial contribution to the family household". In this and in other matters the section is extremely vague. On making an order under section 4 it would, it appears, be open to the court to make any number of subsequent orders. There is nothing finite about the court orders. They could, on application to the court, be changed to vary the value put on work in the home. It seems to be the intention that a spouse who gets an equitable interest of 10 per cent in one year may return in a few years time to get a fresh declaration and so, progressively over time, build up to an equity stake of 50 per cent.

Another question which arises is whether the Bill places a premium on marriages of a particular duration so that a few years of marriage must exist before a court action can even be thought of. Is a special premium to be put on cases depending on the number of children in the family? Are the courts going to have to keep records on that basis to ensure that spouses with one child do not get a greater stake than those with two or three?

The Bill caps non-financial contributions at 50 per cent. Under the current law, as it has evolved on financial contributions there is no such cap. I am not clear what the situation would be where an individual claims simultaneously under this Bill and section 12 of the 1957 Act and some clarification of that in the Bill is surely necessary.

The Bill may also have serious implications for conveyancers and the normal sale of family homes. Given the very limited time for examination of the Bill I cannot comment on this matter in any great detail other than to say that conveyancing could become complex and difficult and this could result in delays and expense for couples.

Section 12 of the Married Women's Status Act of 1957, on which this Bill rests, is being repealed and re-enacted in extended form by the Family Law Bill, 1994. It is rather odd that no reference to this is made in the Explanatory Memorandum. There is one consequence of that change to which I would, however, draw the House's attention. A child of a deceased spouse is being given a right to recover money or other property or its equivalent to which that deceased spouse was entitled and which has, or may have, gone out of the ownership of the dependent spouse.

Under the Bill, would it be open to such a child to raise the question of a trust in relation to non-financial contributions over a period of years and would the court then be in the invidious position of hearing conflicting evidence from a parent and child as to the extent of such contributions by the deceased parent?

There is a final net point in this Bill relating to the definition of "dwelling" in the context of the Family Home Protection Act, 1976. The view taken was that there was no need to proceed with the amendment which had been contained in the Matrimonial Home Bill since it was intimately linked with the definition of "matrimonial home" itself. However, the matter can be looked at again and if the need for change suggests itself, it can be done in the context of the Family Law Bill.

In conclusion, for the reasons I have given, the Government is unable to accept this Bill. The Bill presents itself as a contribution to the process of law reform. It is nothing of the sort. It will have no appreciable effect on the rights of spouses who work in the home. It is, quite frankly a half-baked measure which shows every sign of having received little thought and every sign of having seen the light of day on the back of an envelope. The issue of family law reform is too serious to be dealt with by way of amateurish efforts such as this.

Many in this House will be surprised, if nothing else, about the solemn defence being made for a Bill which first made its appearance on the Order Paper of this House only this morning. I am unsure as to whether this signals an end to the Progressive Democrat's wish to see Bills on the Order Paper for two weeks before debate, or they merely wish to have an exception for publicity stunts of their own.

There are few items of proposed legislation which are all bad. Usually it is possible to find something good to say about them, and so I waited in anticipation to see what the Tánaiste had to say that was good about this Bill. Eventually we got it when he said in the context of the definition of a dwelling: "However, the matter can be looked at again and if the need for change suggests itself it can be done in the context of the Family Law Bill". That was all he could find to say in favour of the Bill. I am surprised by that and I do not agree with his blanket dismissal, irrespective of the origins of the Bill.

I congratulate Deputy Keogh on her initiative in bringing forward this Bill. I welcome what she has done. My one point of agreement with the Tánaiste relates to the amount of time we have had to consider it. Possibly if the Tánaiste had had more time he would have had more to say in favour of the Bill. I too would have liked more time and possibly I would be able to say even more in favour of the Bill. Be that as it may, I welcome this effort to ensure that non-financial contributions, unwaged work such as home making and child rearing, will be taken into consideration when assessing ownership of the family home. I see this as a basic principle of civil rights and I wonder how this injustice has been tolerated for so long by society and by us in this House.

When one casts one's mind back, as one does more frequently as one gets older, one wonders how it was possible for any of us to tolerate the circumstances in which women found themselves not so very long ago and, indeed, the circumstances in which so many women find themselves today. I remember a time, not that long ago, when some women, particularly in rural areas, were considered less of an advantage than the animals on the farm. They cost more to feed sometimes than the animals. That is an attitude that was all too prevalent. Women were involved in hard and boring work involving great drudgery and inequality, and anything they did in terms of rearing the family, looking after the home and, in many instances, a farm as well, was not taken into consideration. They could spend a lifetime doing that sort of work and not be recognised as having any ownership in the family home. It is strange to recognise that we had a society which was tolerant of that. In many instances, that has not changed very much. Fortunately, there are fewer such cases than there were in previous years but there are still cases of that attitude to women and to women's work. Anything that can be done to change that and bring us into the 21st century ought to be welcomed.

This Bill is an effort to do in another way what the Supreme Court prevented us doing in the Matrimonial Home Bill and it specifically attempts to avoid the element of legislative compulsion, the main rock on which the Matrimonial Home Bill sank.

On Second Stage the Minister for Equality and Law Reform stated that "the Supreme Court judgment struck down what was, in effect, the central principle of the Bill, namely, the establishment of the matrimonial home as the norm within marriage". I hope we will be able to enshrine that norm in legislation. I am concerned not only about the civil right of equality of ownership, although that is a serious concern. There is another matter involved. The bricks and mortar of the Matrimonial Home Bill, and equality of ownership of those bricks and mortar, was a symbol of equality in marriage and in society. That symbol is important because if there is equality in that respect it is possible to have equality elsewhere.

The Minister for Equality and Law Reform indicated his problem with this Bill by stating that "in light of the Supreme Court judgment the Government has already announced that there is no alternative legislative route which can safely be taken to achieve a broadly similar result". The proposers of this Bill obviously believe there is an alternative legislative route and that the Minister is mistaken. What advice did the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs take in relation to his remarks this evening and, more specifically, what alternative advice did the Minister seek in relation to the constitutional implications of the Matrimonial Home Bill? Presumably he did not seek constitutional advice on this Bill because he is elsewhere and could not do so. The Chair need have no fear that I will stray into turbulent waters.

It is enough to have one person in those waters.

There have been very turbulent waters in recent times on this issue. Clearly, the advice given on the Matrimonial Home Bill was incorrect as the Supreme Court struck it down. Was alternative advice sought? I have never been a great believer in the concept of infallibility. Even the Pope's infallibility is being questioned. I have not read Fr. Joe Dunn's book but I have read some extracts from it and heard interviews about it on radio and there seems to be a serious question in regard to infallibility. Members responsible to this House should not be above criticism. If recent advice has turned out to be incorrect the individual or individuals involved should not be above criticism. I leave that thought with Members as I skirt these turbulent waters.

Why was the Matrimonial Home Bill considered so important when first introduced? I did not have direct responsibility as spokesperson on equality and law reform at that time, but I noted the Minister did not say it would not matter if we did not pass this Bill or if it were found to be unconstitutional. He talked about a necessary stepping stone on the way to other things, otherwise we would be caught, not in turbulent waters, but in the middle of a river with nowhere to go. The Minister told us this was a necessary stepping stone, very important legislation on the road to a divorce referendum and legislation.

In his criticism of the Bill, the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs at least illustrated how complicated this issue is and the importance of having these matters clarified before dealing with legislation or a referendum. That was very useful. He made a number of interesting points, but his comments did not appear to be of interest to the Government parties, one in particular. The second in command in this Government, namely, the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and Leader of the Labour Party, came into this House with three Labour Party supporters. One would have expected more members of the Labour Party to support their Leader, particularly as he is standing in for an absent Minister. I am delighted to note that with ten minutes remaining in this debate a member of the Fianna Fáil Party has entered the House.

The Deputy should look behind him.

I am not the Minister, the second in command in Government or the Leader of a Government party, at least not yet. Does the absence of Members opposite not indicate a lack of commitment among the Government parties, particularly among Fianna Fáil members in regard to this legislation and other legislation about which the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs used the phrase "the liberal agenda"? I noted the number of times the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs thought it necessary to state that the Government was united on this issue. He stated that the entire Government is united behind the detailed plan of action leading to the divorce referendum. If the Government is united behind that plan such unity was not demonstrated in the House or on any occasion when matters relating to "the liberal agenda" were discussed.

The Deputy must concede they were united in their absence.

It was not united in favour of this detailed plan of action. It could be compared to whistling passing a graveyard, one never knows who will jump out from behind the headstones. We do not know who in the Government's backbenches will come out from behind the headstones and what they will say to the Tánaiste about the liberal agenda.

The Bill is dead.

Any legislation which does not have the support of the Government — which holds the largest majority in the history of the State — is dead but it might need to be resurrected in the future.

That is not true.

The Tánaiste stated he would like to put on record a few facts about the Government's approach to the divorce referendum in view of the cloud of misinformation under which the Opposition is labouring. He said if the Opposition chooses to play politics with the divorce issue it must take responsibility for the consequences. Is that the Tánaiste getting his retaliation in first or are those words not so much directed at the Opposition but at Deputies on the Government's backbenches? No Deputy on this side has shown any indication of wanting to play politics with that issue, it is one to which every Deputy on these benches is committed. We do not wish to play politics because we know the harm that will be done if this legislation and the referendum fail. It will take a number of years, probably ten, before we reach this stage again, if ever. We can all play politics but not with such a fundamental issue when the effect will create such tragedy. We do not wish to do that and I hope the Government parties will not do that either.

The Tánaiste is correct in referring to the cloud of misinformation. I was not active in politics in this jurisdiction when the last referendum was held when this was a matter of controversy but I am aware that misinformation played a large part in its loss.

Hear, hear.

Such information must be cleared up this time, otherwise it will have a similar effect. It is up to the Government to ensure the public will have proper information well in advance of the referendum to enable them to make up their minds and counter information should be circulated to deal with misinformation. I hope that will be the case but to date it has not happened. The Tánaiste stated that preparations are on course for the referendum and the Government will not be deflected from its task. I sincerely hope that is the case. I will take it on trust and not question it further, but I will refer to it later if that does not turn out to be the case. I hope Fianna Fáil backbenchers note that.

The Tánaiste stated that the Minister for Equality and Law Reform had already secured £5 million as grant-in-aid for the Legal Aid Board in 1994 which will allow the board to open ten new full-time and four new part-time law centres this year, that such unprecedented expansion will result in every county having a full-time or part-time law centres in 1994. It is pathetic that this is hailed as a major announcement. The Tánaiste stated further that the legislation to put civil legal aid and advice on a statutory footing is at an advanced state of drafting and will be introduced as quickly as possible.

I sound a cautionary note by referring to a case I dealt with. I have had experience of divorce and civil legal aid in another jurisdiction. One of the first constituency cases I dealt with as a young MP in the mid-1960s related to legal aid for divorce. A couple visited my advice centre in Cookstown and told me of their problems. They were not married to each other. The man had been married in 1942. As was the case in the war years there was not a big reception after the wedding and the man and his new wife ended up in a pub in Cookstown. Too much alcohol was imbibed and in the course of the conversation his wife told him she was expecting a baby but that it was not his. The man told me when he heard this news that he went to his home and his wife to hers. He said the reason he had come to me was that — to use the phrase — the wife took up with another man, the husband took up with another woman, the wife had nine children and the husband had eight. The husband had applied for legal aid three weeks previously but was turned down on the basis that the couple could not show just cause for applying for legal aid for a divorce at that time. The authorities wished to save money and were afraid the floodgates would open. In 1965 or 1966 one had to prove the necessity for legal aid to apply for a divorce, which was not the case in 1942. Those constituents never voted for me because of the tradition in Northern Ireland. However, I managed to obtain legal aid for them for a divorce and I was thanked but I doubt if I got a vote. I hope a similar situation will not arise in this jurisdiction.

I have reservations about the Bill in that it does not go far enough and make up for the 50:50 ideal contained in the Matrimonial Home Bill, but it is a step in the right direction and Fine Gael will support it in the lobbies.

Debate adjourned.
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