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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 16 Jun 1994

Vol. 443 No. 9

Death of Former Member. - Health Insurance Bill, 1994: Second Stage.

Question proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time".

The need for this Bill arises in the first instance from the requirement to comply with the Third Directive on Non Life Insurance which comes into effect on 1 July 1994 throughout the European Union. This directive is part of the process, known generally as the Single Market, of opening up the markets of the member states of the EU to competition.

Up to now, regulation of the health insurance market here has been governed by the Voluntary Health Insurance Act, 1957. A company wishing to operate here had to apply for a licence from the Minister for Health. The 1957 Act did not, however, require policies to be sold on a community rated basis nor did it demand of insurers that open entry to insurance and life time cover should also apply. In practice, these principles were applied by VHI. The only regulatory mechanism was the decision of the Minister for Health on whether he or she would agree to provide a licence to a company other than the VHI to operate here. Very few licences were granted over the years and the VHI maintained a near monopoly of health insurance in this State.

The requirement on licensing can no longer apply from 1 July next so that, unless it were otherwise explicit in legislation, a health insurance company coming into this country could sell policies on a risk related basis with no regard to concepts such as social solidarity. Such a development would alter radically what has been the situation in Ireland for almost 40 years.

The Single Market has its own imperative which this Government and previous Governments have accepted. Within the competitive environment which the market promotes, we have to ensure that what is done is for the general good. In the area of health services, conventional market concepts do not work very well, given the disparity of information between the provider and the client. Even in a suitably modified market, there is an overriding requirement to protect the general good, to maintain social solidarity and, where health insurance is concerned, to strive to ensure that it will remain available and affordable to those who most need it — the elderly, the chronic sick and those struck down by serious illness.

This is the first of two insurance Bills which I hope to bring before the House this year. In the next term, I intend to introduce legislation which will amend the 1957 Act and provide the framework for the Voluntary Health Insurance Board to compete effectively. I have just received the report of the review group on the VHI, chaired by Professor David Kennedy. It will be of considerable assistance in finalising the content of the second Bill which will have as its main aim the strengthening and modernisation of the VHI's role and functioning, so that it can continue to be a major player in the new environment.

There is another imperative besides the Single Market. We must maintain the best practices of a health insurance system that has served this country well for almost 40 years. A simple application of free market principles may not always produce the most consumer friendly or efficient result. Experience from other countries would suggest that an unregulated market in health insurance can often create systems which do not contribute to the delivery of an effective and efficient health service.

In this country, health insurance has played a major role since 1957 in the development of the health services. Its success can be seen in the numbers covered, which now approximate to 1.3 million persons or over 35 per cent of the total population. Such a high level of coverage demonstrates that health insurance is accepted as offering value for money to consumers and its continuing strength, despite periods of adverse conditions for the economy generally, is a testament of the value that the insured population place on their membership of the various schemes. Despite consistent and sustained improvements in public health services and the broadening of eligibility criteria, health insurance continues to be an attractive product.

When the Third Directive was being drafted by the European Commission, it was agreed, on this country's initiative, in the interests of social and inter generational solidarity, that the Directive should allow member states, if they so wished, to require health insurance companies to sell policies which were community rated and to require them to practise both open entry and life time cover. The Bill which is now before the House has those three principles at its core. Those elements will, for the first time, have a statutory basis and any health insurance policy sold in the future in this State must comply with these requirements.

The basic objectives of the legislation, aside from meeting the Single Market requirements, are to copperfasten the good practice in health insurance of almost four decades and to put in place mechanisms for ensuring that community rating, open entry and life time cover will not be undermined by a deliberate commercial policy of selecting only low risk customers. Another important aim of the Bill is to protect consumers by ensuring that they have a minimum level of cover for certain costly procedures. Those incurring the expense of purchasing insurance must be guaranteed that their level of cover will give a reasonable level of indemnity against those costs which are likely to be most expensive — inpatient treatment, consultants fees and certain aspects of outpatient treatment.

I will outline some of the fundamental thinking which informs the provisions incorporated in the Bill.

Any regulatory system for health insurance in this country must be placed in the wider context of the general community. The long title of this Bill speaks of the legislation being necessary "in the interests of the common good" and it is this aspect of the new system which lies at the heart of the proposals I am putting. There are those who would argue for unfettered competition, placing expedient and short term gain above principle. Those who would take such a stance could scarcely have paused to contemplate the implications for the elderly and other vulnerable groups. Companies would market products which would not be affordable by the majority of the old and chronically ill. The inevitable result would be that many people would drop out of health insurance and thereby forego the choice of service which they had regarded as sufficiently valuable and important to them to incur optional expenditure on health insurance, often over many years.

A second principle which underlies this Bill is the general acceptance that health insurance has an important role to play in the maintenance of a high quality health service in this country. The regulatory system proposed by the legislation must not adversely affect services for public patients. The provision of care for private patients in public hospitals helps to maintain high standards of care and treatment throughout the hospitals. Those standards will apply to all patients in public hospitals and will ensure that everybody gains from having health insurers supporting service providers, both consultants and hospitals. In the current year, public hospitals will earn over £60 million in providing treatment and care for private patients. This income is an important factor in maintaining the overall quantity and quality of public hospital services.

It is very important that a mix of public and private practice be maintained in public hospitals. The alternative is the emergence of a divided and divisive hospital system where there is a hospital sector dealing exclusively with private patients and another sector dealing only with public patients. Such a development exists elsewhere and would not help either sector or be welcomed here.

Another objective of this legislation is to create and foster the conditions for increased consumer choice through the development of a wider menu of products than is now available. The Bill will encourage product innovation and responsiveness by insurers to the consumers' requirements. In particular, I expect that there will be a significant development of ancillary products and that very flexible packages will be made available, particularly as a means of attracting new, young members.

I have circulated to Deputies an information document on the main features of the Bill. I thought it important to do so as the Bill is complex and technical. The proposals outlined in that document in regard to the details of the future regulation of health insurance will be the subject of consultations with interested parties later in the year. I will now address in somewhat more detail its three principal features — community rating, open enrolment and life time cover.

Community rating is the system of pricing whereby members of an insurance plan are charged the same premium by a company for a particular range of benefits. No discrimination is made by the insurer in regard to the age, health status or sex of the individual member. The rationale which underlies this concept is that high risk groups, mainly the elderly, should not have to pay more in premia at a stage in their life when they are most in need of the benefits of their insurance policy. Furthermore, low risk groups, such as the young and healthy insured population, will benefit from community rating when they age and come to need services.

I have described what is meant by community rating. Perhaps I should also explain what it is not. It is most assuredly not a system which is anti-competitive. It does not prevent companies from competing. There is ample scope for commercial rivalry to gain greater market share by concentrating on price, product and quality of service. It is a matter for each insurance undertaking to determine how it competes on price with its market rivals, provided it does not discriminate within its own plans against vulnerable groups. Similarly, companies can strive for more customers by promoting insurance policies which meet real needs and fill gaps which clearly exist in the market. There is nothing in community rating or, indeed, in any of the proposed regulatory arrangements which will prevent the development of innovative products for the consumer. I am anxious to see new thinking on product lines in health insurance and I anticipate that, should competition occur, there will be a notable increase in marketing and related activities. The basic concept behind community rating is one of fundamental social solidarity.

Open enrolment is another key principle which the Voluntary Health Insurance Board has implemented for many years. Like community rating, it is a concept of particular value to vulnerable people who can be assured that they will have access to insurance when they choose to purchase it.

Of course, it is very important that people take out health insurance at an early age if inter-generational solidarity is to continue and community rating prosper. This can be achieved by insurers promoting products which suit the needs and reflect the values of young people. A decline in the number of young people with insurance would have serious consequences for the system generally as there would be insufficient low risk members to balance out the high risk groups.

However, open entry cannot be absolute as no insurance company could be expected to give full cover immediately to any individual who wished to join. Such an arrangement could have significant adverse effects on the insurer in a very short period. Some waiting period for cover must be applied if the insurance system is not to be undermined. I will describe in more detail later the broad parameters that I am considering for statutory waiting periods for cover.

Life time cover is linked to open enrolment and community rating in protecting the highly vulnerable. It would be traumatic for a chronically ill person, who may incur a high level of cost for an acute condition, to be denied continuing cover. I am, therefore, providing for the concept of life time cover to be an integral part of the new regulatory arrangements but with some qualifications.

Despite the reactions of some of those with particular interests in health insurance, what I am proposing will protect the general good, facilitate competition among efficient undertakings, encourage product development, and help to ensure that affordable health insurance will continue to be available to all those who wish to have a choice between public and private treatment.

A number of important points arise from the interpretations set out in the Bill at section 2 to which I draw the attention of the House.

The term "ancillary health services" is defined in the Bill. The definition of those services is necessary to distinguish them from the requirement for minimum benefits which I will describe later and to ensure that the principles of community rating, open enrolment and life time cover are applied to the specific services identified in the Bill.

The definition of "health insurance contract", which is a fundamental part of the Bill, defines health insurance as applying to payments made for the specific reimbursement of fees or charges. In other words, there must be an element of indemnity before a policy can be described as "health insurance". Policies which are cash payments only and can be paid irrespective of the actual costs incurred in treatment are not, under this definition, health insurance. I did not seek powers to bring such schemes, some of which are described generally as critical illness policies, within the ambit of this Bill — they do not constitute an indemnity policy and present no real threat to health insurance at present. However, my Department will keep the matter under review to ensure that where critical illness policies overlap with health insurance or are seen to create a serious threat to it, the question of their coming within the definition of health insurance will be reconsidered.

Section 7 prohibits insurers from offering non-community rated policies. It also defines community rating. However, there are a number of aspects of community rating on which I would like to make some further comments. It will be noted that section 7 (2) (a) uses the phrase "suffering or prospective suffering of a person from a chronic disease etc.". My intention in using the word "prospective" is to prevent the application of current and anticipated diagnostic techniques, such as genetic testing, as a means of providing information on which a decision could be made to increase an individual's premium or deny an insurance contract.

I am concerned that, with the considerable scientific development worldwide, particularly in our understanding of genetics, there may be a desire by some companies to use the knowledge being created to load the premia of persons seeking insurance. This would be wholly undesirable in an area such as health insurance and contrary to the principle of community rating. I understand that a number of other European countries are also considering this matter. I am pleased that this country will be taking explicit powers, if this House and the Seanad so decide, to ban such a potentially serious development in the area of health insurance.

The House will also note from section 7 (3) that I am not requiring health insurance policies covering long term care to be marketed on a community rated basis. The advice I received suggests that the marketing of a long term care policy which is community rated would be very difficult, as young persons would not be attracted by such a product. However, I hope that insurers will develop products which can cover long term costs. The demographics of this country and of other developed nations suggest that such products can be directed at a sizeable market which would justify their development.

I am making a number of exceptions in section 7 (4) (a) and (b) to the principle of community rating. These exceptions reflect current practice by insurers here, whether by VHI or friendly societies and do not, therefore, dilute to any significant extent the community rating principle. The concessions on group discounts are important and necessary if insurers are to continue to attract the type of risk that can be offset against their high risks.

Section 8 sets out, with certain qualifications, the requirement on insurers not to refuse a contract to a person under 65 years. An insurer is not obliged to accept for membership a person who is 65 years or more except where that person's insurance company has ceased to trade; in this situation the insured person will be allowed to enrol with another undertaking and may not be prevented from doing so. Section 8 (4) (a) provides for all those, irrespective of age, who have had a health insurance contract with an undertaking to transfer to another company. This provision is reasonable given that a person over 65 years would probably have been paying into a scheme for many years and is, therefore, entitled to continue to receive and expect benefit.

The Voluntary Health Insurance Board has operated waiting periods for entry into its schemes for many years. The approach taken by the board is reasonable and it is likely, therefore, that I will be prescribing in regulations waiting periods which are generally similar to those operated by the board. However, a number of areas require further examination, which I have referred to in the information document I circulated. My aim is to ensure that the regulations will provide a balance between necessary control by insurers on entry while at the same time adhering to the principle of open entry. I should add that restricted membership undertakings will be allowed to limit their membership to the relevant occupational group but may not refuse to accept a qualified person under 65 years.

Section 9 explicitly prohibits a company from refusing to renew cover or terminating it without the insured person's consent, except in circumstances to be prescribed in regulations. It is likely that these circumstances will allow for cover not to be renewed or to be terminated if it can be established that there was fraud on the part of the insured person or non-disclosure by him or her of significant relevant information to the company.

Section 10 provides that an insurance contract which covers hospital services must provide for a minimum level of benefit to be offered to a potential subscriber. An insurance company which is offering benefits which do not include any element of hospital costs but relate only to ancillary services, such as a dental care plan, will not be subject to this requirement.

A minimum benefit requirement is vital to the general regulatory framework proposed by the Bill. It is important for the following reasons: it ensures that there is a continuing availability of the type of cover currently enjoyed by the insured population; it ensures that individuals do not under-insure, due to lack of proper understanding of the restrictions which might apply to some types of policy; and it supports community rating by requiring younger subscribers to purchase a sufficiently high level of insurance to help balance the costs of older, more high risk members.

The level of statutory minimum benefits will be clearly defined in regulations which will be published in the autumn after detailed consultations with interested parties. However, these benefits will only be paid in respect of what are regarded as medically necessary procedures. The main elements which would be included in minimum benefit are: hospital in-patient treatment, including day care; hospital out-patient treatment; consultants fees; maternity benefits on a "grant in aid" basis; convalescence; psychiatric treatment; and substance abuse. The minimum level of accommodation which will require to be covered is semi-private in a public hospital.

The precise level of cover for each of the above headings will be described more fully in regulations. The regulations should not demand that insurers should provide for a higher level of minimum cover than they now provide, as such an approach would be highly inflationary and ultimately lead to higher premia. My general approach is to make sure that the regulatory framework gives a guarantee of minimum benefit to consumers. If individuals want to "top up" and purchase more cover, they will be able to do so. Ultimately, the market should provide the type of product that people want and at a price they are prepared to pay.

It is very important that all those purchasing health insurance should be given full information, in a clear and comprehensive manner. It is also necessary to ensure that any advertising or promotion of health insurance is accurate and truthful and does not mislead the public. I propose to introduce on Committee Stage an amendment which empowers the Minister for Health to make regulations relating to the control of advertising and promotion, if such an intervention is deemed necessary.

One further issue of continuing concern is the problem of balance billing by consultants where patients may be billed at a level which is not reimbursed by the insurer. This is a particularly difficult issue which will require very careful consideration. An excessive amount of balance billing must be avoided if health insurance is to maintain its standing as good value for money. However, any insurance company could be put under great strain if it was to meet the demands for increases in private fees introduced from time to time by medical consultants independent of any statutory control or review process. My Department will be reviewing this matter further while the regulations on minimum benefit are being drafted.

Community rating can be undermined by some insurers deliberately selecting low risk groups or individuals; a number of marketing techniques can be employed by companies to make certain that their risk profiles are lower than the average. Those techniques, which we have seen in operation elsewhere, could include having a direct mailing system to particular groups, or targeting occupational schemes with a relatively low average age, or designing policies in such a way that they appeal only to those who present the least risk. The inevitable result of selection of low risk members is a considerable instability in the market as other insurance companies, with a higher than average risk profile, would find their financial position rapidly deteriorating.

Risk equalisation is a system which seeks to deal with the problem of market distortion and manipulation. Risk equalisation should encourage insurers to control their costs by eliminating inefficiencies, whether they occur internally or in the services which they purchase on behalf of their members. It compensates those insurers who have a risk profile which is worse than the average for all subscribers in the insured population.

There are different methods of risk equalisation. The method I am considering is based primarily on profiling each company's membership by sex and age bands. I am opposed to any system that would pool all risks or costs in the insured population, as this would be a disincentive to competition and would simply reimburse the inefficient insurance companies and service providers. The type of scheme I am considering for risk equalisation would cover costs up to semi-private accommodation in most private hospitals.

This and other aspects of risk equalisation will be examined in more detail by my Department over the coming months while the regulations are being drafted; there will be consultation with all relevant interest groups before the regulations are finally made. The EC Third Directive provides that member states may introduce risk equalisation schemes if considered appropriate. The proposals in the Bill are in accordance with the intent of the directive and are seen by the Commission as a necessary part of the regulatory framework to maintain community rating, open enrolment and lifetime membership.

A Health Insurance Authority has been provided for in Part IV of the Bill. The Authority will not be established immediately as the regulatory functions in regard to health insurance will, from July 1994 lie with the Minister for Enterprise and Employment, where prudential issues such as minimum solvency margins are concerned, and with myself as Minister for Health in relation to other matters. My regulatory responsibilities will involve the maintenance of a register of health insurers as provided for in Part III of the Bill and the monitoring of policies to ensure that they comply with community rating, open enrolment, life time cover and minimum benefits. I will also make arrangements with an independent body under section 12 to advise me on whether risk equalisation should come into being, in line with a formula which will be set out in regulations.

The body appointed to undertake this task will not provide me with any commercially sensitive information on individual companies. They will receive information from insurers from the first quarter of 1995 which will provide them with the data to assess whether or not a risk equalisation scheme should be introduced. Such information will be entirely confidential to that body; its task will be to alert my Department to the possibility that the equalisation process, involving actual compensatory transfers between companies, will have to commence.

The Health Insurance Authority will be established if the task equalisation process is introduced or if, in the interim period, there are changes in the market which would justify its being established. On its establishment, it will assume all the regulatory powers to be carried out from July 1994 by the Ministers for Enterprise and Employment and Health. I do not believe that the arrangements to be put in place from next month of themselves would justify the creation of another semi-State agency. I am satisfied that those arrangements will work satisfactorily in the interim.

These are the main elements of the Bill and the remaining sections deal with standard provisions in regard to the maintenance of a register and the work of the Authority, including matters relating to staffing.

In addition, there will be an assessor appointed by me under sections 10 and 12 who will advise me from time to time on the appropriate level of minimum benefit and the level of costs that should be subject to risk equalisation.

The system I am proposing for the future regulation of health insurance presents a number of important and complex new features. It also seeks to protect, through legislation, the key principles on which our system has been based for almost 40 years. We have had to prepare legislation to cover situations which may not arise. We may also find that the new situation produces challenges which have not arisen elsewhere and which we have not envisaged.

I am, therefore, persuaded that the regulatory system should be kept under review and should, in any event, be the subject of a comprehensive report not later than five years from its introduction. Nobody can say with certainty how the market will respond in the new environment. It may be that there are areas which will need to be changed so that the principles enshrined in the Bill will not be undermined. The advice to be tendered by the Authority, if established, and the evaluations conducted on an ongoing basis by my Department should together form a good foundation on which to conduct a full scale review.

All of the parties involved in health insurance and private care have a vested interest in appreciating the wider arena in which they are operating. No one interest can stand aside and demand that its needs be met, even if it means that others are affected adversely.

Service providers who would insist that their demands be put at the top of the agenda, no matter what the impact may be on the affordability and attractiveness of health insurance, would be behaving in a very short-sighted way. If the price of health insurance escalates because of excessive demands by service providers the losers will not be confined to any one insurer or provider.

There are many reasons why the percentage of the general population covered by voluntary health insurance is relatively high in this country. One of those reasons has been a general acceptance by interest groups, albeit reluctantly in some cases, that a level of moderation in demands is necessary if the health insurance system here is to retain its appeal for such a large number of people.

In order to create a better understanding between the different interests involved in private health insurance and private care, I proposed in the document Shaping a Healthier Future that a monitoring and consultative mechanism should be established which would be representative of these interests. The forum to be established would include the Department of Health, the public health services and the institutional providers of private care.

As the strategy document made clear, I do not as Minister for Health have any function in relation to the regulation, co-ordination or assessment of the services provided by private hospitals; the exceptions are maternity and psychiatic services. The experience to be gained from the proposed consultative mechanism will enable me to better assess what further mechanisms may need to be developed to maintain an appropriate interface between the public and private sectors, in the interests of providing the best possible level of health services for the entire population which is, of course, our common objective.

In conclusion, I would like to emphasise again that the proposals I have outlined today are designed to protect the best features of the system we have had in operation in this country for many years and to allow for competition in the marketplace. The proposals have been structured in the interests of the common good and with no other objective in mind. My hope is that this Bill and the related one to which I have referred will be perceived as being as prudent as the 1957 Act which has been the statutory basis for a remarkable success story in the provision of affordable health insurance and the development of health services in this country for nearly 40 years.

I strongly commend this Bill to the House.

We might endeavour to ascertain the time remaining for this debate. I understand that we are to finish at 1 o'clock.

I understand from the Whips' office that there is an agreement between them that the Bill be brought to a conclusion at 1 p.m.; that each Opposition spokesperson be allowed 20 minutes and that I, as Minister, will have five minutes to conclude, with no other speakers being allowed.

As Chairman of the Joint Committee on Commercial State-sponsored Bodies, who produced a report on the Voluntary Health Insurance Board, I know some Members would like an opportunity to comment on that report in the debate. I am sorry we shall not have such opportunity.

Might I suggest then 15, 15, 15, ten and five minute slots? Is that satisfactory?

Fifteen minutes will be fine.

I find it very unsatisfactory that a Bill is rushed out to us. I received mine by courier. I understand that Deputy Michael McDowell is willing to reduce his time in order to allow Deputy Kavanagh contribute. That is a fair arrangement.

I will take ten minutes and Deputy McManus can have 20 minutes, 18 minutes or whatever remains. We are wasting more time discussing this.

I welcome the Bill, which is necessary to comply with continuing European Union developments. It is important to introduce the necessary legislation to ensure that the existing system of health insurance is not put at risk as a result of the changes that have taken place in the market. I welcome competition. In the old days it was to be the life of trade. It is still the life of trade in politics and in business in general and I am sure in relation to health insurance it is no exception. Competition is necessary and desirable and is in line with ongoing developments. There would be a number of risks, to which the Minister has already alluded in the course of his speech. When one mentions competition one always assumes it will be of greater benefit to the consumer, but that does not always happen. Competition can work in other ways also which can be of benefit to those providing the insurance. The danger is that those coming into the marketplace would identify the more lucrative elements of health insurance and provide competition in those areas which would be to the detriment of the existing system. That is a luxury we cannot afford.

I am pleased to hear about competition in the whole area of insurance. However, I am concerned about the divided responsibility between two Ministers, albeit for a short time. I am not critical of the Minister's colleague's Department but I wish to point out that Irish premium holders have not benefited to the same extent as other premium holders throughout the 12 member states. That is particularly relevant in the case of motor and other types of insurance. This does not apply in the area of health insurance. I sincerely hope the divided responsibility between the two Ministers does not lead us into a shady area that will result in difficulties later.

In his contribution the Minister referred to the mix of public and private hospitals and services generally. I have always agreed with such a mix provided it results in healthy competition and that one complements the other. In the event of services being unavailable in the public hospital sector such services should be made available to the patient through the private hospital sector without incurring extra costs. When overloading occurs in one area it should be possible to take it up in another area.

The community rating for equalisation of services is fine but unfortunately there may be dangers at a later stage. The sands that shift quickly from time to time will inevitably shift in that area. I see difficulties arising with regard to the extent of the services which may be made available. This is an area which the Minister may have to look at again. For example, if a particular service is covered under a heading I see difficulties arising. In order to meet health economics criteria, a matter to which I have often referred and which I am sure is the bane of the Minister's life, the tendency will be to reduce the degree of service which is not immediately visible to the policy holder. This is a matter which will need careful scrutiny as time goes on. Responsibility for this matter will probably rest with the Health Insurance Authority.

I wish to refer to the success of health insurance in Ireland and, perhaps, the lack of it in other countries. Most European countries have a high level of health insurance. There is no point in having an excellent health insurance system and everything provided if the patient cannot gain access to the services in the event of hospital beds being available. In that type of situation we need to compare our services with those which are available overseas and the rapidity with which a patient can gain service as compared with overseas. That will have a bearing on the cost of insurance at a later stage. Free movement of people, goods and services will inevitably lead to a situation whereby patients in the future may not see fit to remain on waiting lists for two or three years. The Minister may say the waiting lists have been reduced and may encourage others to say so and they have to a certain extent — but not by a long stretch of the imagination to the extent necessary. I make that point simply because in a few years' time patients may say: "Why not get our services elsewhere? We have our health insurance which is provided on a reasonably equal basis throughout the European Union". I need not point out to the Minister the dangers of allowing that situation to develop.

In his contribution the minister referred to loading. This is an area which all motorists will readily recognise needs careful attention from the Health Insurance Authority. I have no doubt various devices will be introduced when the new regime is in operation to introduce an invisable loading. That has happened, time without number, in many other areas.

I pay tribute to the VHI for having done an excellent job but I will come to balanced billing later. In providing a health insurance system many years ago the VHI showed great foresight. The loading system, to which companies frequently refer and rely on, will need careful scrutiny because in the event of a health insurance company identifying a particular problem they will look at ways and means of beefing up that premium to ensure they are not at a loss if their administrative costs have increased. It will be important to keep under review the administrative costs of those competing in the marketplace. For example, it is fine to have a health insurance company enter the marketplace in Ireland and provide competition; but on investigation it may be that those insurance companies have very high administrative costs, may be inefficient and so on. If they have high administrative costs, inevitably those costs will be passed on to the consumer. I ask the Minister to refer to that area and to recognise that it is not a matter that can be resolved at the introduction of the legislation. It will recur time and again. We have sufficient experience in this House to recognise that insurance costs in one area can be transmitted very quickly to another area of the Union as well as within the country with consequent costs to the consumer.

The concept of "topping up" to which the Minister referred, whereby a person purchases cover for extra services, is an excellent one. While I am aware that it is already possible to do this through the various schemes offered by the VHI, to what extent will health insurance companies be selective so as to discriminate against those in a particular category?

The issue of balanced billing has been well aired during the past six to 12 months. As the Minister said, he has no direct responsibility for private hospitals, but ultimately the activities of public and private hospitals will have a bearing on health insurance costs. The efficiency, or lack of it, of those hospitals will be a factor in determining the cost of insurance premia. The Minister should ask the Health Insurance Authority to pay particular attention to this matter.

In a free market a consumer should have some idea of the services with which they will be provided in return for their fee. On the other hand it is possible for consultants to say that the costs will not be identical as in the final analysis the services may not be identical. Within reason a consumer or patient should be aware if they face the prospect of receiving a second bill.

The Minister referred to the fact that the cost of insurance is low due to the number of young people involved. While it is more difficult to encourage young people to join insurance schemes, to ensure the success of the entire scheme a greater effort needs to be made to ensure that young people when they enter employment join an insurance scheme such as the VHI.

I am concerned that an increasing number of allegations of negligence are being made against both public and private hospitals. I do not know the cause, but these claims reflect poorly on the adminstration of some hospitals. I am not pointing the finger at any particular hospital, but there are danger signals. The reason may be that hospitals are understaffed and the services provided are overstretched, but unless there is a reappraisal such claims will have a dramatic impact on insurance costs regardless of whether the Minister has responsibility. The companies which provide insurance cover will ensure that they are provided for and there will be a dramatic rise in the cost of health insurance if the matter is not tackled. This issue, although unrelated, has a bearing on this Bill.

I welcome the implementation of the Third Directive on Non-Life Insurance and in doing so this House has made some correct decisions. The decision to proceed by way of legislation rather than regulation is welcome as some fundamental policy issues have to be dealt with.

On the question of community rating, whereas one might expect somebody like myself who espouses competitive views to have some cavil with community rating and want free for all competition, a balance has to be struck between participation in voluntary health insurance and its practicality rather than some ideological theory of free competition. If non-community rated insurance was on offer the net effect would be that there would be fewer people in the voluntary sector. As a consequence more people would be dependent on the State and there would be higher taxation. The lesser of two evils on this occasion would be an imposed regime of community rating.

The risk equalisation scheme is potentially a useful weapon to have, but I hope it is clear that it will not be used in such a way that it will adversely affect the entry of new insurance undertakings into the field. If one enters a field as a competitior it is much more likely, given simple inertia, that one will go for the younger section of the market, those who are taking out insurance for the first time. It is obvious that new entrants will focus their attention on those who have not been insured before rather than try to poach people who are already in the network and who, by supposition, are older and a worse risk. The Minister should not allow the VHI to use the risk equalisation scheme as a trip wire in relation to competition as the other competitors will undoubtedly focus their attention on non-insured people who by definition are statistically likely to be at the younger end of the market.

In relation to the market in medical services of which this is part, insurance is just as much a part of the provision of medical services as the service provided by a doctor, nurse or hospital — it is welcome that there will be competition in the provision of health insurance, but the logical extension is that there must be competition among the providers of medical services. I am not in favour of a mad Thatcherite conversion of the medical system whereby we have competing health providing agencies; but there will have to be effective competition, in terms of price, among hospitals, consultants and general practitioners. That competition is almost impossible, as the balanced billing issue shows. The VHI can be attacked by all the consultants together and accused of abusing a dominant position if it says it will not pay them anything unless they agree that the entire Bill will be covered. That is certain to fall foul of the Competition Act. I wonder should provision be made in this legislation for qualification of the effect of the Competition Act, not that I am in favour of watering it down, but it seems there must be some effective method of price determination. Perhaps this may be unnecessary in that if a number of undertakings compete with each other they will fix the price on an arm's length commercial basis with the medical service providers, but that may not always be the case.

The Department of Health should face up to this issue, and I am not speaking from an ideological point of view in this regard. There should be genuine competition between hospitals to provide the services of two health insurance undertakings at the lowest possible rate. That would involve the reconstitution of some hospitals to make them more competitive, less dependent on State resources and more responsive to competitive market-induced activity from the health insurance industry. That is possible in the context of mixed private and public hospital users. It would not be necessary to make dramatic or radical changes to achieve progress along those lines.

Section 11 strikes me as a sensible measure to prevent health insurance people from improving their risk by encouraging poorer risks to drop out. However, before Committee Stage the Minister should revise the phraseology of that section because as it stands it would allow third parties to intervene to offer such inducements and, worse still, it might allow a collusive arrangement between competing insurance undertakings to induce people to change from one insurance company to a competitor and perhaps receive an inferior level of insurance. We must consider the possibility of such inducements as well as those by registered undertakings. This probably stems from a slight lack of foresight on the part of the Minister. When making laws one must look around corners, as it were, to see how people might try to get around the law.

In regard to the range of services provided for patients by GPs as opposed to hospitals, based on experience in North America and, in particular, Canada — countries in which the health system varies greatly from that here — it should be possible to provide an increasing level of general practice services in medical centres which can carry out diagnostic treatment, small operations and so on. Cottage hospitals might be the pattern for many health services in the future. The Department of Health should foster that concept. I accept that it may be easier for health boards to supervise large units, but in the last analysis general practitioners would be a happier group of men and women and patients would be happier if they could have their blood tested and other elementary surgical procedures carried out in small units throughout the country rather than queuing up in casualty or outpatient departments to receive services which do not necessarily have to be carried out in a hospital.

Deputy Durkan referred to the increasing rate of claims for negligence against hospitals and consultants. There may be a diminution in standards but in my view the real explanation stems from the litigation fever here. As one who practises litigation for a living I have not seen any abatement in the willingness of people to sue hospitals and doctors. While it is not relevant to this type of insurance, negligence insurance for GPs, consultants and hospitals is becoming a significant drain on the community. In that regard I reiterate what the late Mr. Justice McCarthy said about the desirability of people suing their doctors for medical mishaps and of having a fault-based system of compensation for victims of medical error rather than the present system, but that is a debate for another day.

I welcome the Bill, but I am sure many other points, similar to those I raised in regard to section 11, could be raised. I hope today's debate, which has been attenuated, will not be mirrored by an overly shortened Committee Stage debate. I hope the Bill comes into law shortly, that there will be competition among insurance undertakings and that the risk equalisation procedures are not abused so as to hinder entry into the market. Once there is competition among health insurance undertakings on a community rated basis, I hope it will translate into genuine competition among the providers of medical services. I hope also that Government will be open to the necessary flexibility, adaptation and change that will be required in the field of providing medical services to ensure that the price competition translates into more efficiency down the line. The waiting lists will be greatly reduced if more people can afford voluntary health insurance and if the voluntary health insurers can command greater efficiency from hospitals and consultants than at present. Ultimately, harsh though it may seem, the price mechanism is probably the right way to approach that.

This Bill arrived on our desks only last week and it is regrettable it is being debated under such pressure. We were all aware that the deadline was 1 July, but it is regrettable that the implications of the Bill cannot be debated fully. I have only a very short period to cover the issues I would like to cover, but I hope we can deal with specific points on Committee Stage.

The Bill deals with the regulation of the private health insurance market. What has been, in effect, the monopoly position of the VHI is no longer tenable under EU regulations. It also highlights the failure of the Minister to begin the job he set himself with his national health strategy, Shaping a Healthier Future. The Bill is as much about the timidity of the Minister for Health as it is about regularising the insurance market. This is an opportunity to change an iniquitous and discriminatory system of health care and to think imaginatively about how to resolve the inherent imbalance of care between public and private patients. Instead of grasping that opportunity the Minister has chosen the safe route, the obvious route, the route which maintains the status quo within the new circumstances the EU has forced on us.

The Bill is a curious piece of work. To herald in the open market in health insurance the Minister has introduced a Bill which is unique in its restrictions and qualifications. He has argued the reasons underpinning the Bill, and they are understandable, especially in view of the dangers inherent in an open market scenario in a country where there is so much dependence on private health insurance. However, if a future Minister is lobbied by insurance companies pressing a case for opening up the system, will he or she use the series of let-out clauses provided in this Bill to open up the system so that people may be discriminated against?

The Health Insurance Bill is designed to offer the same basic cover regardless of which company is offering it. Companies will also be required to provide cover to individuals who seek it subject to certain qualifications. I support those important principles, but I am concerned about the capability of the Minister to ensure that he can sustain those principles in view of the overriding drive within Europe towards an open market. I can only assume that he had full legal advice on this matter before publishing the Bill. I am also concerned about the implementation of the controls spelled out in the Bill. If a company is non-residential and insures people here, how will it be constrained by this legislation? If a company attempts to contravene the Act what mechanism exists to immediately prevent it from doing so?

An Authority would be set up if a risk equalisation scheme were introduced. Clearly, such an Authority would need the necessary resources to put in place the controls to ensure the scheme would be operable. I am surprised the Minister has not indicated details of the board membership of such an Authority, it is simply in the gift of the Minister to determine who will be members. He has excluded Members of the Oireachtas from it. We know who cannot be Members but we do not know who should be. Regarding other boards, particularly on the VHI board, there has been a demand for a long time for trade union representatives to be granted membership. Probably it would be easier if they were friends of Albert Reynolds, rather than being trade union representatives, to get on to that board. If the Minister means what he says, he should——

I remind Deputies that Members of this House should be referred to in accordance with the positions they hold, namely, Deputy, Minister, Taoiseach or whatever.

Sorry, I should have referred to the Taoiseach. If such an Authority were established it would be important for a member of its board to represent those who may be described as patients, clients or consumers. It is difficult to fully assess the detail of the Bill as I had to read it in a hurry. Will the Minister explain how he will ensure that a risk equalisation scheme will not end up subsiding unprofitable companies at the expense of profitable ones? There is no doubt that the amount of interest from foreign companies so far has been underwhelming but the market for private insurance exists and is growing significantly despite the fact that everybody is entitled to free hospital care. That dichotomy between the need for private health insurance and the theory of equal access — which it is at present — is the kernel of the issue. People do not take out VHI cover because they wish to spend their money unwisely. They do so because they know it provides access for them and their families when they need it. We all know that, it is not necessary to spell it out. However, it is interesting to note that according to a Joint Oireachtas committee which considered this matter, the principal reason people take out VHI cover is to be assured of getting into hospital quickly if a treatment is necessary. That was the most important reason, stated by 62.4 per cent of subscribers. We are not talking about a product, but about something that may be a matter of life and death. That is a shocking indictment of the two-tier system that people live with. People who have money can buy their way into hospital or the private consulting room, that is what private health insurance is all about.

The Minister pinpointed this important element in his health strategy which stated: "access to health care should be determined by actual need for services rather than ability to pay or geographic location". The Minister knows better than anyone that is not the case at present, as access to health care is frequently determined by the ability to pay rather than the need for services. There is a fast lane for the well off patient and a blocked one for the public patient. If our health insurance scheme was redesigned as an integrated one we would have the best opportunity yet of developing a one-tier system. If the State ensured an end to the two-tier system, through adapting the health insurance scheme, the same equity would be available as in general practice. One of the finest decisions made by a Minister for Health was by the former Minister, the late Erskine Childers, when he took the two-tier element out of general practice. I would have thought that the Minister would have had the courage of his convictions to reform the two-tier system in hospital care and today would have been his first opportunity to do that.

I do not want to see children waiting in line because their parents do not have enough money to go privately. Last week I canvassed a young woman who is widowed because her husband was too poor to get private treatment for his heart condition. I, and I am sure any reasonable person, does not want to see such disparity between the well off and the poor. Health care is not a product, it is often a matter of life and death and that is a fundamental issue in this debate.

It is extraordinary that the super-luxury categories within the VHI are still subsidised by the public purse at a time when hospital charge have been increased, when the ceiling of the GMS has not be raised and when pensioners, no matter how old, cannot get a medical card because it is means tested. At the same time the Government believes that the country can afford to subvent the super-rich. It is an outrageous anomaly.

Recently the VHI was not able to pay out on Plan P because of changes in hospital charges and because the Department failed to negotiate a deal with the VHI. I do not view the VHI through rose tinted glasses, but, to its credit, it has successfully reduced its running costs. It has a low level of administrative costs. It is also to its credit that it wished to publish the names of participating consultants. Will the Minister publish the Kennedy report so that we can read it? It is interesting to note, from the most recent figures which the Minister provided on 26 May this year, that the vast bulk of payments to health agencies from the VHI were made to private centres such as the Blackrock Clinic which received £11.986 million and Galvia Hospital in Galway which received £4.230 million. Those were by far the two highest payments made — both to private hospitals. The VHI schemes that provide cover for those hospitals are hugely subsidised by tax breaks. Is this value for money? Is this giving a good return for the health services and for the child who is waiting to have his tonsils removed in Crumlin hospital or wherever? Is this what a State owned insurance company should be about? I have no objection and I do not see why anyone should object to people paying premia for treatment in private clinics. However, I have a difficulty with where the public and private systems interconnect to the detriment of the public service which, clearly, is happening at present. There is always the temptation and tendency to cater for private patients at the expense of public ones. Hence, the drive towards private health insurance for those who can afford to pay it and the continuity of cycle of inequality.

With the changes because of European Union policy, the Minister had an opportunity to be imaginative and to take his courage in his hands in the way the late Erskine Childers did. Unless the Minister redesigns the insurance system, his aspiration to equity is nothing more than a dream, or worse, a delusion. He had an opportunity in this Bill to begin to bridge the gap between public and private patients. Instead of doing so he chose to produce restrictive legislation which will reduce the impact of the open market in health insurance, and I give him credit for that. I am sure much work went into it but it has been done within a context which is essentially iniquitous. It is a device to maintain the VHI in its current form instead of developing a new type of health insurance based on need rather than on the ability to pay.

The VHI was set up in the 1950s to provide insurance for people who did not qualify for hospital care and was appropriate for its time. Now, as everybody is entitled to hospital care, we should move on and not be stuck in a rut. The Minister could use his initiative now that the system of insurance is up for review. For example, he could use the VHI as a kind of quality assurance mechanism in the hospital service to include public patients. If he implemented the recommendations in the Tierney report, appointed more consultants and introduced a productivity payment for consultants through the VHI, a transformation could take place in the drive towards equality of access.

That kind of change could include the State channelling at least some of the money which is paid in consultants' salaries for public patients on to a fee per item basis just as the VHI pay for private patients. This would not mean the end of private insurance. It would simply mean that insurance would cover special items, for example, privacy or special facilities.

The integration of the private insurance with the public system would improve care for everyone. There would be no need for people to pay into a private insurance company simply to jump the queue. There would certainly be no case for tax relief in the private sector which is at present a huge element of subsidisation. We are paying for division within the hospital services. Once there was an argument for private insurance on that basis because not everybody was eligible for hospital care. Now there is an argument for private insurance on a very different basis.

I am concerned that the Minister is not moving with the times but reacting to a drive that is coming from Europe. He is responding but he is not setting the pace. His response in the context of this legislation is adequate and it is one that I will clearly support. It is important that we have community rating and that there is risk equalisation when a scheme is put in place, if necessary. It is particularly important to have an authority that can ensure that the restrictions within this Bill can be put in place. Otherwise there will be a free for all.

That is really not the issue. The Minister has set himself ambitious targets. He outlined them in his national health strategy, and everything he does must fit into the context of that strategy. There is no indication in that document, in his speech or in this Bill that he is in any way changing or altering the direction of the health services. It is dispiriting to hear him say that ultimately the market shall provide the type of product that people want and at a price they are prepared to pay. That is indicative of the kind of thinking of the Department in relation to this. Changes are coming about at European level. It is a pity the changes are not creating a demand for a one tier system. That is the kind of pressure I want to see from Europe.

The VHI has a central role to play in the health services. It has proved it can provide health insurance schemes to meet the demands of the times but those demands need to change. The State has no business competing with other private insurance companies. It has a responsibility to provide a full health service. The VHI has the capability to meet that target and to be a vital vehicle for progress within the health care services.

It is deeply disappointing that the Minister for Health failed to give the VHI a role that is appropriate to the 1990s, one that would reflect the aspirations expressed in his strategy, aspirations that are clearly further away than ever from being realised.

This was a minor test of the Minister's commitment to equity in the health services, a test that he has flunked. Like the £40 million of European money that was promised for the Tallaght Hospital, the promises offered in the health strategy are fading into the never-never land of unfulfilled political fantasy. That is the most regrettable feature of today's debate. It is an ideological point. I have no reason not to be ideological when it comes to health care. We are talking about a fundamental right. Many poor people are not treated equally and do not have equal access. Unless there is political change that denial of their rights will continue.

I thank the Minister for giving me some of his time. I am, perhaps, taking away from a more adequate reply that he would like to give, but it is important to remind the House that for two years the Joint Committee on Commercial State-sponsored Bodies has been debating the performance and the future of the VHI. It produced its report and recommendations earlier this year. The report was produced at a time when the VHI prepares to enter into open competition as a result of a European directive. That was taken into account in the course of our report.

In welcoming what the Minister put before us I am glad to say he is in agreement in large measure with our recommendations. Our document deals with the VHI and since one-third of the population and, I venture to suggest, probably all Members are insured with the VHI it is personally and nationally a very important subject to debate. I join with other Members in saying that we will have to spend more time on Committee Stage in order to deal adequately with the points raised.

The joint committee welcomed the inclusion in the Bill of the concept of community rating. In our report we said that in the new competitive environment it may be difficult to maintain community rating. However, the joint committee believes community rating is worth preserving so that vulnerable groups such as the elderly will not be exposed to large increases in insurance subscriptions. The joint committee recommended the establishment of an equalisation mechanism or a compensation fund as this would give the best of both worlds through the preservation of the benefits of competitive marketing and of community rating. I am glad the Minister has accepted this. It is very important for those who are members and for future members of the VHI.

Another area of vital importance is balance billing. The committee believes that once people are insured with the VHI they should be fully covered for consultants' fees. We endorse the VHI's policy of providing full coverage for its members in this regard. One way of helping members to be fully covered is to provide their doctors with the names of consultants. In this way the doctors have the necessary information when choosing a consultant. The joint committee listed all the consultants participating in the scheme up to the last date available, 4 December of last year, and that provided an opportunity for discussion and comment. However, the Minister has now agreed that this should be provided for in the Bill.

Another point the Minister has accepted, although not in the way suggested by the committee, relatged to the appointment of an assessor. The Minister said that the assessor will be appointed under sections 10 and 12 and will advise him from time to time on the appropriate level of minimum benefit and the level of cost that should be subject to risk equalisation.

The committee had a different approach and became aware of a few flash points during its investigations which related to the VHI's relations with consultants and private hospitals. We considered a number of possible solutions and proposed an independent assessor, a type of medical ombudsman, who would make non-binding recommendations in disputes between the VHI on the one hand and private hospitals and consultants on the other. We envisaged that fee scales for consultants, private hospital costs and the development of new medical facilities could by this procedure. The Ombudsperson would work with a team of experts as appropriate to each field. The process would be carried out in an open and transparent way — this would represent an improvement on the current position. The Minister may consider that this would be a more appropriate way of dealing with the matter than the proposal in the Bill and I would be glad if he would take that on board.

The report was confined to the VHI and recommendations were made which are appropriate to mention at this time. It recommended the setting up of a State company for the VHI rather than leaving it in its present state. This would give considerable advantages to the VHI. It would be involved in open competition and would be at arm's length from the Department of Health. Since the Department of Enterprise and Employment will be involved it is necessary that the Minster consider that matter.

Many other matters are covered in the report which would be of help to members of the committee dealing with the Bill. When a joint committee produces a report such as this that gets a great deal of national publicity, one day should be allocated to deal with it, rather than each Member having ten minutes to speak. This report sold a record number of copies. Considering the number of doctors and specialists listed in the appendix, it attracted a great deal of public interest.

Members of this House and the Seanad should have an opportunity to discuss reports such as this. It took a few years to bring it to fruition and it cost a great deal of money. More than 200 people and many public bodies made submissions, yet it ended up on the shelf where few people have the opportunity of seeing it.

As chairman of the joint committee involved I hope I will have an opportunity to comment on the various Stages of the Bill. The committee welcomes the Bill which incorporate many of the recommendations we made. It is necessary that it be brought into operation before 1 July.

I will try to deal briefly with all the points raised. I thank all the Deputies who contributed and share their disappointment that there is not a longer time to debate this very important Bill on Second Stage. I hope all Deputies will have an opportunity to express their views on Committee Stage.

Deputy Durkan, in welcoming the Bill, was concerned about the division of responsibilities between the Department of Health and the Department of Enterprise and Employment. The two Departments have had lengthy discussions on this matter. In advance of establishing the health authority the prudential functions in which my Department has no expertise will be the responsibility of the Department of Enterprise and Employment and the health related matters will remain with my Department. That is a satisfactory interim arrangement pending the establishment of the authority.

I have said on numerous occasions here, and it is very much implicit in the national health strategy, that I want to see a public-private mix in health delivery but as far as practicable the private element of medicine will be carried out in public hospitals and the expertise and resources that will go to the private sector will be on the public campus. This is an objective we are working towards.

Great success was achieved last year with waiting lists. Consultants, particularly surgeons, dealt in a very enthusiastic way with the additional resources made available by the Government. For the first time in many years a significant impact was made on waiting lists. I hope within the next week or two to announce the 1994 waiting list initiative which will continue that progress. Nobody can be happy that there are people awaiting elective surgery, but there is not any country with instant access to every procedure. Once you overcome one bottleneck, others occur. I agree with the views expressed by Deputies that we should always proceed on the basis of medical need.

Deputy Durkan spoke about invisible loading and risk equalisation. Great care has been taken to ensure that proper community rating will be maintained. The mechanism of risk equalisation will be considered with a view to ensuring that no invisible barriers are created to get around the intent of the Bill. On the question of balance billing, I agree with the sentiments expressed by the Deputy that the consumer should be aware of the cover to be provided in the event of illness.

I share Deputy McDowell's views on increased litigation and allegations of medical negligence. The country is becoming more litigious and this affects not only health insurance but also motor insurance and all forms of public activity, including fairs and field days. Deputy McDowell welcomed the implementation of the Third Directive and he also welcomed the Bill. I was pleasantly surprised by his attitude in accepting the notion of community rating and the watering down to some extent of open competition in the common good.

He is mellowing with age.

The notion of risk equalisation expressed in the Bill will not discourage new entries — that is not the intent. We have gained from the Australian experience in that regard. Risk equalisation will not come into effect unless there are clear distortions of the health market. The Deputy made an interesting comment on the effective mechanism for price determination and I again welcome the ideological change from what I would expect from the Progressive Democrats. I take on board the Deputy's comment on section 11. That matter will be considered before Committee Stage. I welcome his comments in general terms. His point about the expansion of the service provided by general practitioners is very much in line with the national health strategy.

Deputy McManus referred to the fact that we are rushing through this Bill. I am sorry we have not more time to deal with it. My Department has been working flat out to comply with the European directives. I think we are one of the first countries to put the directive into legal force and that is a great credit to the people working in my Department. Many of the points made by Deputy McManus will be taken on board. I note she included her normal preface of abuse before continuing with the meat of her comments.

The Minister is too sensitive.

The principles enshrined in the legislation will be maintained once it is in force.

I thank Deputy Kavanagh and compliment the joint committee chaired by him on the tremendous work it did which was very helpful. Most of the considerations have been incorporated in this Bill and others will be incorporated in the legislation on the VHI which will be introduced before the end of the year. I heartily commend the Bill to the House.

Question put and agreed to.
Committee Stage ordered for Tuesday, 21 June 1994.
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