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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 21 Jun 1994

Vol. 444 No. 1

Private Members' Business. - Investment Limited Partnerships Bill, 1994: Second Stage.

I move: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time".

I wish to apologise to Members of the House for the short period they have had to study the Bill. The Bill concluded drafting early last week, was immediately brought to Government and subsequently approved for publication. There is a certain immediacy so that the IDA and the Financial Services Industry can with confidence proceed to the market place, especially in the United States, with the aim of attracting further business to the International Financial Services Centre. The purpose of this Bill is to provide the structure of an investment limited partnership as an investment vehicle for particular categories of investors.

The taxation aspect has already been addressed in the 1994 Finance Act.

This technically complex 45 section Bill has been developed in consultation with the IFSC through its committee, chaired by Mr. Séamus Paircéir, and the proposed supervisory authority, the Central Bank, with my Department taking a pro-active role to ensure that the legislation is capable of meeting the needs of the expanding financial services industry while ensuring that an appropriate regulatory structure is in place. I believe that the introduction of this innovative measure will secure employment and investment for Ireland. This legislation shows what can be done with a little imagination to generate investment which will create employment at practically no cost to the taxpayer.

The present Bill is designed to respond to the competition in the market place where the availability of the required range of structures is essential. If the desired legal structure is not available then a fund will not be located here.

In drafting this Bill regard was had to: (1) the general requirements of the international financial services market; (2) US structural and fiscal requirements; (3) Irish structural requirements; (4) Irish regulatory requirements and (5) an appropriate taxation environment for the limited partnership structure.

By way of background may I say that the collective investment industry in the IFSC was established in 1989 with the enactment of the UCITS regulations implementing EU Directives. However, it was only with the enactment of the Unit Trust Act, 1990, and the Companies Act, 1990, that the IFSC first became a creditable international location for collective investment schemes.

In the four years since then there has been good progress in the collective investment area. Direct employment in the funds and custody sector now amounts to over 550. Within the IFSC the collective investment industry is the largest single employer, with no one employer predominant. The industry does not primarily rely on the existence of the 10 per cent tax rate and requires minimal use of double taxation treaties.

There is US$14 billion in Irish domicile funds located here in over 160 funds and almost 400 sub-funds. This provides Irish activity in relation to administration, fund accounting and custody. There exists a further US$4 billion of funds, domiciled elsewhere but also under administration in the IFSC. The growth in Irish domiciled funds in terms of value under administration has amounted to a remarkable 143 per cent during 1993.

Those intimately involved in the funds industry inform me that the absence of a particular structure has serious contrary effects: fund managers naturally wish to centralise their activities in a limited number of jurisdictions for reasons of efficiency and marketing cohesion. The greater the range of centralised activities then the greater the job prospects. Dublin as a financial centre now features at the many seminars and conferences which are the natural corollary of a burgeoning collective investment industry.

Ireland has many positive features which keep us to the fore in competing for the available business: first, a strong regulatory environment is provided by the Central Bank, which is an important comfort for the investors who are targeted by the fund managers established in the IFSC. The taxation regime, which provides tax transparency for non-Irish resident unit holders and investors, is not dependent on the existence of the special tax relief for trading activities. However, foremost in our favour is the legislation which underpins the collective funds industry, both in primary legislation dealing with structures and in the range of fiscal provisions which give clarity and certainty to the participants in the IFSC.

To ensure the ongoing success of the IFSC we must have regard to the vital area of the legislative environment. Increasingly, the IFSC will have to be able to respond speedily to the needs of the industry in an increasingly competitive environment, involving the participation of all the major financial services centres. The competition is intensified because of the growth in the volume of that business.

The international promoters of collective investment schemes, especially major international banking and fund management groups, require a wide variety of collective investment legal structures to suit the regulatory, tax and marketing situations in all the countries in which they market. Schemes must be capable of being marketed both to retail and institutional investors, who often have different requirements worldwide.

A number of existing and prospective IFSC participants have identified the need for a regulated, tax transparent limited partnership structure similar to that in use in other financial services but adapted to Irish needs. This Bill will be used as another product on the menu of mutual funds structures to complement the collective investment schemes currently in existence.

A desirable innovation in this Bill is that it has adapted, as required, other primary and secondary legislation and put it within one cover. This, I venture to say, makes the Bill more understandable by non EU users and thus makes it attractive to lawyers. In the North American funds market the primary users will be lawyers, unlike in Ireland or the United Kingdom which would have accountants involved.

This Bill proposes the introduction of a new category of limited partnership — the investment limited partnership, to which, specifically, the Bill will apply. It is proposed that the 1890 Partnerships Act will remain in force and will govern investment limited partnership except to the extent specifically excluded by the Bill. The 1907 Limited Partnership Act is being amended so that the problems which have been identified in relation to it have been removed, while the other, desirable provisions of the Act have been incorporated in the Bill. The 1907 Act will remain in place for other forms of limited partnership.

Perhaps most important the Bill proposes the introduction of a regulatory system which would provide for the regulation of investment limited partnerships by the Central Bank of Ireland along the lines of that which applies under the UCITS regulations, the Unit Trust Act, 1990, and Part XIII of the Companies Act, 1990.

The specific problems which were identified in connection with the 1907 Limited Partnership Act and which have been addressed in the Bill are, for example, restriction on the number of partners set out in the Companies Act; doubt about the precise extent of the liability of the limited partners in the event of a withdrawal of capital and the possibility that creditors could levy execution against limited partners for debts of the firm, notwithstanding the limit on their liability.

To enable limited partners to realise their investment, express provision permitting withdrawal of capital by limited partners has been included, subject to certain conditions. A limited partner will also be able to assign his or her interest with consent. In line with the investment nature of the investment limited partnership, general partners have also been given significantly more control over the affairs of the partnership than would be the case with the existing form of limited partnership.

The general partner also assumes a higher degree of responsibility to creditors and less emphasis has been placed on the capital of the partnership as a protection for creditors. As an investment vehicle, the partnership is not expected to engage in the kind of high risk venture normally engaged in by a limited partner and would be subject to the various prudential limits imposed by the Central Bank as the designated regulator.

Before commencing business the investment limited partnership will be required to apply for, and obtain, authorisation from the Central Bank. The authorisation must be maintained throughout the life of the investment limited partnership. The Central Bank is given very substantial powers to regulate and supervise investment limited partnerships, including powers to impose conditions as appropriate to particular circumstances. The relevant provisions in the Bill generally follow those set out in Part XIII of the Companies Act, 1990, in relation to investment companies with variable capital and it is envisaged that the regulatory regime would be very similar, ensuring that the new structure would dovetail neatly with the existing range of available investment vehicles.

The Bill further provides for the appointment of a custodian who will have specific responsibility imposed on it by the Central Bank — analogous to the role of a trustee for unit trust schemes supervised under the Unit Trusts Act, 1990. There will be an obligation to publish annual accounts.

The industry has identified the primary business applications which this Bill can facilitate. That relates to multinational profit sharing plans. Large multinational corporations have provided these type of benefit plans to employees in an ad hoc manner, depending on local country customs and regulations. In an effort to consolidate streamlined costs associated with the maintenance of multiple benefit schemes, large corporations have been establishing benefit plans in which all global employees participate. This Bill provides an appropriate legal framework in a well supervised, established, financial centre to ensure safety of employee assets. This occurs because it affords fiscal transparency to the end beneficiaries.

The limited partnership structure is a well established and accepted form of investment in the United States. The investment limited partnership, from a US perspective, is designed to be a vehicle by which multiple investors can pool their capital resources and avail of the same professional asset management expertise while benefiting from economies of scale and the reduction of management and administrative fees.

Tax transparency is very important if an investor is to avoid double taxation and the non-US investor is to avoid unnecessary US tax liabilities. In addition, many countries recognise the partnership as completely transparent providing for investors — limited partners, who might be called shareholders under another structure — the benefits of double taxation agreements between their home country and the country where partnership assets may be invested. For example, a French investor who invests in an investment limited partnership which is investing in US securities will be in a position to reclaim tax with "held-on" dividends in the US at the French-US treaty rate. It is anticipated that the greatest use of Irish investment limited partnerships will initially be as an investment vehicle for both US inbound and outbound investment.

The IFSC has a clear, competitive advantage over other financial centres in the matter of employment potential. Our European based competitors are suffering from problems of success. Luxembourg, Guernsey and Jersey have near full employment and significant infrastructural constraints which limit their future development. In contrast, Ireland has a significant, well-educated labour pool ideally suited for financial services work and an infrastructure up to the highest international standards. The availability of these resources is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for the development here of a collective investment scheme industry. Ireland's competitiors, particularly Luxembourg, have a very long tradition in the industry.

In addition to the direct employment in the IFSC already referred to, the funds industry is an intensive user of other professional services. Each fund requires significant legal input; the industry must use accountancy services, including audit and taxation services. The funds are users of the Stock Exchange and stock broking services. There are spin-off benefits in these areas.

The Finance Act brought into law this year contains the requisite provisions to enable the investment limited partnerships which will be established under this Bill to benefit from the tax regime applying to collective investment undertakings of the IFSC.

In view of the advent of the December 1994 deadline for new IFSC companies, it is urgent that entities formed by existing IFSC companies, whether for their own investment limited partnerships or for a sponsoring company, should not be regarded as falling outside the scope of the existing legislation. As the opportunity to promote such an attractive investment structure is limited due to the constraints imposed by the 1994 European Union new certification moratorium, the early enactment of this legislation is required not only for that reason but more especially that the industry and IDA can market this package to potential investors, especially in North America.

I commend the Bill to the House.

I welcome this Bill. Since the International Financial Services Centre will lose its designation at the end of 1994 and the entitlement of new companies to have tax exemptions available to them will cease, any measure that increases the ability to provide employment in this centre is welcome. The delay in bringing forward the Bill is questionable. Six months before the expiry date we are introducing a vehicle which we hope will attract new enterprises to the centre. The question must be asked: is it too late to be introducing this legislation? It was expected it would be introduced last autumn; but we are only now introducing it at the eleventh hour at the end of this session, without an explanatory memorandum. It is clearly a rushed job, which suggests that someone failed in the planning and execution of the legislation. It will be a major job for the IDA and other agencies seeking to sell this measure to do all the marketing and attract companies by the end of the year. That is a concern that must be expressed.

I would like to refer to the general issue of the regulation of the investment intermediary industry. This is a good occasion to raise serious concerns that have recently surfaced about the lack of regulation of investment intermediaries. Ireland has no system for regulating the operation of investment intermediaries. They can put up a plate on the door of a building and operate satisfactorily. It is somewhat ironic that at a time when this House is introducing tax clearance certificates for people selling oranges and bananas on the street, there is no system to regulate people who establish themselves as investment experts, selling largescale investment products, sometimes to an unsuspecting public. Two recent incidents have been reported in the newspapers of investment intermediaries who were fined and prevented from operating in the UK and who transferred their operations to Ireland and traded from Irish addresses in, it would appear, similar businesses to those for which they were struck off in the UK.

Some were gambling on movement in the Stock Exchange index and clearly such investments offered no security to people who had entrusted their hard earned savings to those running these schemes. It would be extremely damaging to Ireland's reputation if such incidents became a regular feature of investment intermediary activities, in particular, in Dublin. There are all too many people overseas who would be pleased to see the financial services centre and Ireland's attempt to develop a successful industry in this area run aground and damage being done to our reputation.

I understand that some UK securities regulatory boards have circulated notices warning about Irish based operators who are less than kosher in handling savings. At the end of the day confidence is the key ingredient to success in attracting investments. The onus is on Government to move speedily to ensure the highest level of confidence in investment intermediaries operating in Ireland. That means we have to establish credible and effective regulation. As well as dealing with the Investment Limited Partnership Bill we should take the opportunity to enact legislation to provide for proper regulation of such intermediaries. During the passage of the Consumer Credit Bill perhaps the Minister would take the opportunity to present legislation providing for the satisfactory regulation of investment intermediaries. I certainly would not like to see our reputation being damaged in any way. There is an opportunity before the end of the session to do something to ensure that Ireland's high reputation is protected from possible erosion by fly-by-nights who might establish in Ireland and damage our standing.

I wish to query the future of the financial services sector. As I mentioned earlier, the tax concession under which the financial services centre was established runs out at the end of this year and after that date no further companies can avail of concessions. I know this Bill has the advantage that investment limited partnerships are unlikely to be seriously damaged by the loss of tax status, but no doubt a great many companies who would be involved in the type of business that uses this vehicle probably are involved also in other investment activities that might be adversely affected by the tax change. To what extent are the activities in the financial services centre tax dependent and vulnerable to changes in the tax regime in other countries? More importantly, from the point of view of developing the centre has the Minister taken action to renegotiate with the European Commission the ending of the tax concession? It appears we are only starting to develop the financial services centre as a successful location for doing business. From the Minister's figures it appears that an additional 200 people have been employed in the past 12 months, a substantial increase on the employment levels in the previous 12 months. Clearly, the financial services centre is in its infancy. We must ask ourselves if we have done enough in the time up to the end of 1994 to capitalise on the opportunities and, if not, can we renegotiate and gain an extension of time?

It is somewhat embarrassing that excessive rents have given rise to problems in the financial services centre, apparently curtailing relocation of companies who committed themselves to establishing in the centre. They have not moved in. I would be interested to learn how many companies who committed themselves to the centre have not located there at this stage. What is the problem? If the level of rents is the source of the problem, can a system of arbitration of rent be established? I think the Government must take action to ensure that the potential of the centre is not damaged by the apparent lack of competition in the provision of sites and the rents charged. Perhaps the Minister would give an insight into the area of vacant space in the centre and how close we are to meeting the projections for the building programme and occupancy rates. It is important that we know the facts because we are approaching the last six months of the scheme which provides tax concessions. Clearly, we need to know how far we have come against the projected figures.

The vulnerability of these operations to tax changes must be ever present in the minds of policymakers. Some recent changes in tax law have damaged Irish companies in recent times. We need to get our act together and, if necessary, renegotiate the tax concession with the Commission so that we would be in a position at the end of the year to capitalise on opportunities. Luxembourg is an impressive lesson in what can be done. I understand they employ 18,000 people in the area of financial management, which dwarfs what we have achieved in Ireland. Admittedly, they are well ahead of us in experience and have established networks. However, we would have advantages because of our traditional links with the US. This Bill is particularly welcome in that we are getting an opportunity to land mobile investment management projects for Ireland. Increasingly, multinational companies seem to want to centralise the management of pension funds, other funds and share options. If they centralise all their multinational operations in one country, clearly the location of that central management is highly mobile and should we be able to offer the best package, we can land employment opportunities for Ireland.

This investment vehicle provides extraordinary concessions in that projects will not be liable for any of our taxes, capital gains tax, VAT and stamp duty. We need an assurance that such companies and partnerships cannot be used as offshore companies for purposes that we would not like. It is heartening that Central Bank regulations will apply, but effectively we are deciding without a great deal of debate to give very extraordinary and generous tax concessions to a certain type of investment vehicle. The House would need assurances that the vehicle could not use those concessions for purposes for which it is not intended.

This is a complex Bill and I am sure much of the detail will not emerge until such time as we debate Committee Stage. Each of the 45 sections will have to be teased out in detail.

On behalf of the Progressive Democrats Party I welcome this Bill. It represents one more step in promoting the growth and development of international financial services in this country. When it becomes law it will enable the International Financial Services Centre to bid for business that would not otherwise come to this country if this law was not put in place. Accordingly, that will inevitably lead to more job creation and to the provision of jobs for the pool of highly qualified young people to which the Minister referred in his introductory remarks. That is a welcome development.

The Bill will enable investment from United States sources that had been hitherto precluded and which will now take place when the Bill becomes law. I believe we can expect additional business from the United States and also from Canada, which is to be welcomed.

The present position in relation to United States investors is that they cannot get the benefits of the 10 per cent tax rate when they invest in funds in the International Financial Services Centre which are structured as unit trusts. This is because of the provisions of the US domestic tax legislation on the worldwide earnings of US individuals and the US/Ireland Double Taxation Treaty. That issue must be addressed if we are to benefit from the investment that is waiting to be garnered. That issue is clearly being addressed in the context of this Bill. As I have said, when it is addressed it will inevitably lead to much investment, with consequent benefits to this country. That is a key element of the Bill which I certainly welcome.

This is a single product Bill, which is sensible and to be welcomed. Tedious cross references with existing company and commercial legislation can be avoided in future and the comprehensive nature of the Bill will be of assistance both to lawyers and to the IDA in their efforts to market Ireland to overseas investors.

My main regret — and this has been referred to by Deputy Bruton — is that it has taken so long for this Bill to come before the House. The problems of securing United States investment in funds in the International Financial Services Centre have existed since the centre was established seven years ago, yet it is only now that this problem is being addressed. The centre, which was opened in 1987, gained no real momentum until 1989; but development was then hindered by the worldwide financial recession of 1990 to 1993. As a result of this, although the centre has been successful, with 3,000 jobs approved and approximately 1,500 of those already in place, it has not yet achieved the critical mass of volume and variety to allow it reach its full potential.

A key priority must now be the establishment of a working group to examine ways and means in which the International Financial Services Centre can become more competitive in fiscal terms compared with rival centres in other countries and to put in place measures to bring about this increased competitiveness.

Although we have a headline tax rate of 10 per cent compared to a headline tax rate of 40 per cent in Dutch centres, the IFSC here is not as competitive as those centres which are required to grapple with such a different tax rate and tax regime. This is because sophisticated international tax planning, such as the exploitation of double tax treaties between various jurisdictions, combined with the manner in which tax charges are computed in other countries, can succeed in bringing down the effective Dutch tax rate well below the 10 per cent. These areas, which are complex and difficult, will have to be exploited by this country if the IFSC in Dublin is to attain its full potential.

We could learn much from the Belgians also and the manner in which they co-ordinated their lower effective tax rate, which is much lower than what we have here. We could learn a great deal also from the manner in which Luxembourg has developed its financial services centre which could be applied here. That was referred to also by Deputy Bruton. Undoubtedly, this is an area of growth which, if we can put the proper system in place, can yield large numbers of jobs for young graduates who are very well qualified and who have the ability to work effectively in this area.

I would like to ask the Minister what progress, if any, the Minister for Finance has made in having the deadline for the granting of new IFSC licences extended beyond December 1994. This matter has been mentioned in great detail already by Deputy Bruton. Clearly, the six months that remain are not adequate to enable the centre develop and grow to its full potential and I want to ask the Minister of State, Deputy Brennan, if the Minister for Finance proposes to extend the deadline. Will he consider recommending that and, if so, what action does he intend to take.

Through the extension of the licence granting period, the centre would be able to continue to attract new businesses during the period in which the financial services industry is recovering from recession. That is the key issue that cannot be ignored. This will have a very positive impact on the future of the centre through both the growth of existing businesses and the attraction of new tenants. I ask the Minister to respond to that when replying to the Second Stage debate.

I welcome this legislation. It is complex and difficult. But it must be seriously confronted because if we put the proper system in place, the benefits will be very tangible in terms of investment into this country and job creation. We must put every effort into bringing that about. I welcome and support the Bill.

Deputy Quill has referred to the fact that this a complex Bill and the Minister made reference to its complexity on a number of occasions also. I became aware of the existence of the Bill for the first time this afternoon when the Minister for Enterprise and Employment kindly wrote to us apologising for the short notice which we have received and explaining that this was because the Bill was only finally drafted last week.

It should go without saying that if this is as complex a measure as the Minister believes it to be, then it was reasonable in all the circumstances that we should have been given an opportunity, as Opposition spokespersons, to take advice on the matter. I am conditioned, presumably by instinct, to be suspicious of having to debate a Bill such as this at this hour of night which I am told must be rushed through before the recess for reasons which Deputy Bruton pointed out are a little difficult to understand at first glance. This was not signalled to us earlier; it was not signalled at the Whips meetings. We were suddenly told that there was such a Bill and an attempt was made to put it through all Stages tonight. When that was not possible we were told that Second Stage would be taken tonight but that the Bill must be completed before the recess.

Having regard to the fact that the tax designation status for new licensees runs out at the end of this year. I am a little puzzled, as Deputy Bruton has pointed out, why there is such great urgency now. The game is almost up anyway. I do not share the blanket commendation of the International Financial Services Centre that seems to be conventional. I am aware that 1,400 people are employed there but I am also aware that the international financial community regard it more as a tax shelter than an indigenous financial industry where skills are developed and telecommunications are so good it is likely to grow and provide additional employment. It provides badly needed jobs and the tax take at a special rate is significant. However, there is no way of measuring how many of the projects have been relocated there from elsewhere in the country and what tax is lost as a result of that. It is difficult to do an audit on it and, as far as I am concerned, the jury is still out. I welcome it for what it is but I do not give it a blanket commendation.

Unless it is intended to bring forward legislation and have it approved in the European context in terms of new licensees, I cannot see why the IDA should be responsible for the last minute introduction of the Bill. The explanatory memorandum states that the Bill will permit general and limited partners to invest in property. Is the Minister saying that is strictly prohibited now? Do I understand that partnerships cannot get a licence as it stands and that is one of the reasons for the Bill? Is investment in property envisaged in the Bill vetoed at present? This is relevant to what Deputy Bruton dealt with.

When I received the Bill today the first thing that occurred to me was there are significant tax exemptions from capital acquisitions tax, stamp duty and so on offered in it. The Minister said the 10 per cent rate was not of primary importance. These exemptions give inordinate possibilities for abuse and the last thing we need to encourage in terms of industrial policy is further incentives to invest in property or fixed assets as compared to investment in enterprise or risk projects. I note it is the Minister for Enterprise and Employment who is bringing this measure forward and not the Minister for Finance so presumably he regards it as an instrument for industrial policy.

As I understand the limited partnership idea in the United States, it is to raise money for high risk activity. If memory serves me right, the movie industry benefited enormously from this instrument in the US. However, the Minister seems to say that investment in high risk activity is not what is envisaged and I would like him to clarify that. He said: "As an investment vehicle, the partnership is not expected to engage in the kind of high risk venture normally engaged in by a limited partner ...". What does the Minister mean? He referred to existing restrictions in the 1907 legislation and stated there is "doubt over the precise extent of the liability of the limited partners in the event of a withdrawal of capital and the possibility that creditors could levy execution against limited partners for debts of the firm, notwithstanding the limit on their liability."

This legislation is ring fencing it to the International Financial Services Centre or to SFADCo. If the law is defective in terms of exposing one beyond the limited liability envisaged here, why is it good enough for the rest of the country? Presumably it applies only to the dock site. Why are we not concerned about the rest of the country if there is this imprecise extent of liability?

I am interested in the explanatory note the Minister sent to us and the passing reference to the Paircéir working group. A tremendous device used by the Civil Service is to refer us to a respectable working group that recommended this and that we all know about. I did not know about it. I know Mr. Séamus Paircéir is an eminent retired civil servant who came to the attention of the House in a different connection not too long ago, but I did not know he was chairing a working group on this. Is the report available in the Library? Can the Minister make the report available to us before Committee Stage since he and the explanatory notes he sent to us pleads the sensible recommendation of the Paircéir working group as the raison d'Etre for this legislation — as the Minister said, Paircéir identified the need for a regulated, tax transparent, limited partnership structure? I would like to read that because the question is far wider than would seem to be implied by the legislation.

The matter that is uppermost in my mind is that we have a tax driven haven that has attracted an indefinable amount of business to the IFSC. We have failed time and time again at Question Time to identify precisely the benefit in terms of what we won and what we lost. If this is just a facility for fund managers let us say so. What is its precise economic advantage? Are we merely attracting prospective property speculators from Guernsey, Luxembourg and elsewhere into the Irish scene so that they can function from here and we will have what the Minister describes as a full menu to offer them? The explanatory memorandum is marvellous in terms of its jargon. The financial services sector is difficult enough without engaging in some of the "Ruairí Quinn speak" in the explanatory memorandum. We are going to have a domestic haven——

A laundry.

——where money can be laundered and there will be no liability to capital gains tax, stamp duty, etc., for deals made elsewhere and which can be of a considerable tax advantage to those companies in their country of origin, mainly the United States of America.

I am not convinced of the merits of this legislation. I do not understand the claims made by the Minister that "the industry does not primarily rely on the existence of the 10 per cent tax rate and requires minimal use of double taxation treaties.". Presumably he is referring to the collective investment industry here. Does that mean any more than that the main gain to them will be exemption from the other taxes to which we have just referred? What is the net economic advantage to this country, apart from the fact that before the end of the year, when the tax designation status runs out, we will be able to get in a few more clients in order to achieve the numbers we were told in recent years this would ultimately realise? I am not sure I can see any net gain in this above and beyond that.

I want to underline the point made by Deputy Bruton about the regulation of the industry generally. The Minister's reference to the desirable innovation whereby primary and secondary legislation is amalgamated in this Bill, a nice neat document which we can give American lawyers who will find it intelligible, etc., is very interesting. It is a pity we do not follow that example in the case of other legislation. This does nothing to remove my innate suspicion that we have been very helpful here. This legislation has been sprung on us before the House rises for its recess and we are supposed to put it through at the last minute. As an investment vehicle, the partnership is not expected to engage in the kind of high risk venture normally engaged in by a limited partner. Is that its general use in the United States?

Deputy Bruton said that generally there is no regulation of investment intermediaries. If we are to take it at face value, it is extraordinary that at the last minute the IDA brought it to the attention of the Government that it is desirable to have legislation so that we can attract elements of this industry before the end of the year, yet we cannot bring in legislation which has been needed for a very long time for the regulation of investment intermediaries generally.

I thank the Deputies who contributed to the debate. I inherited this project some hours ago and I will try to deal with the queries raised by the Deputies as best I can.

It was a sudden death.

We have that in common.

Some of the more detailed aspects of the legislation can be considered further on Committee Stage which will be taken next Tuesday, subject to agreement by the Whips.

With regard to the delay, the consultations with the financial services industry and the Central Bank were extremely protected. I have already apologised to the House for this delay. Since the Bill was published a few days ago one legal practitioner has received a number of inquiries about particular projects.

In Orlando.

Probably. The initiative for this legislation did not come from the Government or the Department; the IFSC committee charged with the development of the centre lobbied the Department to put this new structure in place. It regarded it as another structure it can offer potential operators in the International Financial Services Centre. There are internal captive insurance companies in the centre which deal with insurance fund management for their organisations. There are also treasury management operations which basically manage the function of international currency, from which they earn fees, etc. If a limited partnership is established this Bill will permit funds from outside the State to be invested in the International Financial Services Centre in these structures. That fund must then be invested outside the State. The Deputy referred to property, and I want to make it clear there is no question of these funds being invested in the State, they will be invested outside the State. The economic advantage to us from that exercise is threefold: we will get corporation profit tax, some jobs and some fees for the work done.

The number of jobs will be very small; it will not make much of a dent in reducing the unemployment figure of 300,000.

Yes, but the number will be much more than if we did not have it.

A few more.

Deputy Bruton wanted to know the extent to which the International Financial Services Centre is tax vulnerable. Companies have to obtain a licence before the end of 1994 and the CPT rate of 10 per cent will run out in 2005. These are largely matters for the Minister for Finance to whom the Deputy should address these questions informally. The companies applying for licences know that December 1994 is the deadline and that the CPT rate of 10 per cent will run out in 2005. We are not dealing here with ordinary small start up companies or inexperienced people. These are highly professional people who know the rules.

We are concerned that the jobs will evaporate.

It would be unrealistic for anyone to give a guarantee that all the jobs created will survive. All of us have learned that lesson by now. The companies know the rules and we are happy to take those risks as employment will be created and we will get revenue from corporation profit tax and from fees.

The International Financial Services Centre is a major flagship project. Questions were asked about whether we were renegotiating the 1994 deadline. Deputies will appreciate that the Government's intentions in that regard relate to commercially sensitive information which would be very valuable to certain firms. This is a matter for the Minister for Finance and his Department in the first instance but I can tell the House that the Taoiseach and Minister for Finance are actively considering our options on that one.

I was asked for an assurance that these new structures would pay some tax here. Perhaps Deputy Richard Bruton did not intend it but I picked up that he indicated that they did not pay any tax here. While I am sure the Deputy did not mean to put it that way, I can say that that is not the position, they do pay corporation profits tax here——

——at 10 per cent.

Not on the interest on investments.

——not on the interest on the investments but on the services and fees provided. The fund is managed here and the income is in the form of fees.

The Government will not make up the shortfall in the National Development Plan from that.

It will not, and I never said it would. This centre is genuinely building a good reputation in captive insurance for treasury management. I hope this additional product will help it. The figure I have of jobs already there is 1,400; I think the Deputy said approximately 3,000 had been approved; I cannot dispute that figure. Approximately 1,400 or 1,500 jobs are actually up and running; that is useful.

A debate on the Financial Services Centre — here I am expressing a personal view — would be useful now and again to look at it in a dispassionate way. It is a major project for the State and we are entitled to examine it and its benefits. As I speak I do not know whether the committee or the Minister propose that there be an annual report produced on the Financial Services Centre, or whether the committee or the board propose any kind of annual report. It would seem sensible that, just like the Industrial Development Authority, Forbairt, or any other agency, some form of annual report might emerge from the centre overall so that we could debate where it is going, from where it has come and whether it is meeting its expectations. I have not discussed that with the Minister for Finance and do not know his view on the matter.

What about the Páircéir report? Is that available?

I will come to that in a moment.

The point about property is that it is all outside the State, the economic advantage is as I have described, our income is from fees, tax and jobs, the three headings under which we earn some pluses. The Bill does not cost Ireland anything in that, if the funds are not established, we do not lose anything but, if the funds are established, we earn corporation profits tax on the fees and services provided, and we get the jobs, however small. Therefore, there is no real risk involved for Ireland.

I have just been consulting about the Deputy's point with regard to acceptance of responsibility, for example, to creditors. In that connection the Bill makes it clear that the general partner would have ultimate responsibility, under Central Bank regulations, for any defaults. As the money is not ours in the first place any defaults are likely to be external rather than internal. External persons, say an American investing in the fund, would have to have confidence in the fund before investing. If for any reason that fund went down and the general partner personally was insolvent, then I imagine the loss would fall on the American investor. But they would have put their money into that fund, presumably knowing where the buck stopped and, if the fund went down, what would be their come-back. The Central Bank, by regulation, will not permit highly speculative investment strategies; it is the intention of the Central Bank to monitor that.

I have to say to Deputy Rabbitte in particular that I know the point he makes about the image of places like the Financial Services Centre. However, I would have to take the Deputy back a little. We deliberately set out to build a high quality, low tax location. We did set our face, as a Government and country, against a traditional off-shore tax haven. A number of speeches made around that time suggested that that might be the way, to go the route of the traditional tax haven. It is not a tax haven. It is a low tax, high quality, highly regulated, respectable centre. That is an important distinction.

I would use the words "tax driven" and take back the term "tax haven".

All right, but it is important to say about the Financial Services Centre that we deliberately set our face against that tax haven image other jurisdictions have and went the other route saying it is very attractive from a tax point of view, we do not deny that; in fact we sell that point — it is tax attractive.

The Deputy asked about measuring the tax foregone. The Deputy will know that under the regulations all the activity investment has to be external. Presumably, there is little tax foregone. I have heard it said that some of our domestic financial institutions located there might have operated in the ordinary economy if they did not have this facility, so that to an extent perhaps there is tax foregone. I do not know whether that has been measured or is capable of measurement. I presume that if we asked them they would say they would not have done it without this incentive. I do not know whether we would ever get to the end of that particular piece of string. The Deputy also asked about rents, vacancies and so on. I do not have that information with me but, if he requires it, I will provide it for Committee Stage.

There was a question about investment intermediaries. There are certain investment intermediaries here who are not regulated but we have regulated many of them, for example in insurance, in which I was involved myself. Legislation is being planned to regulate the intermediaries not covered at present, for example, those in the unit trust and UCITs area. That legislation will be based on EU directives and on the recommendations of the working group established under the Irish Association of Investment Managers.

I will have to inquire whether it is appropriate or possible for me to make the Páircéir report available to the Deputy between now and Committee Stage. I am not sure what is the position on that.

The Minister probably does accept that it is put forward as the main raison d'Etre we should all put our hands up and say this is a very good idea and the Páircéir working group recommended it.

I take Deputy Rabbitte's point. The initiative came from the committee who put the point to Government that there was another instrument we could use to attract funds that is now readily marketable by the Industrial Development Authority. The Páircéir working group makes it clear that this is a gap in the list of financial funds and structures we offer to foreign investors.

But, as the Minister said, they do not report annually on what is going on.

That is the import of the Páircéir report, which is really the bottom line, but they recommend that. However, that does not mean we have to follow that recommendation blindly.

We in this House should be in a position to question what is going on there. That is one of my main objections to this Bill, we have been given no opportunity to take advice on it because of the manner in which it has been introduced.

I take that point. When we received that report we considered many of its recommendations. We did not just follow it slavishly. We listened to them carefully and insisted on proceeding with a balanced, regulatory structure in acceding to their demands.

The Bill provides that the Central Bank will submit a report to the Minister for Enterprise and Employment annually and that this report will be laid before the Houses of the Oireachtas. Therefore, Members will have an opportunity to debate the provisions of this Bill annually on the basis of that report. I will inquire whether it is possible to obtain further information for the Deputy arising from the Páircéir recommendations but, from my point of view, its recommendation was quite clear and requested the Department to move in that direction.

I trust that that reply dealt with many Members' inquiries. If I omitted some I will take them up again. Whether it be the Minister for Enterprise and Employment or myself who will be here to deal with it, the remaining queries will be dealt with at the next stage. I thank Members for their views.

Question put and agreed to.

Can we have a date for Committee Stage?

Yes, subject to agreement between the Whips.

Committee Stage ordered for Tuesday, 28 June 1994.
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