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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 30 May 1995

Vol. 453 No. 6

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - People with Disabilities.

Michael Woods

Question:

5 Dr. Woods asked the Minister for Equality and Law Reform if he will publish guidelines for employers to encourage them to provide equal opportunity for people with disabilities in the workforce; and if he will ensure that they are not discriminated against because of a disability, that they are given access to jobs, that personnel departments are encouraged to employ people with disabilities and that people with disabilities have the same opportunities as others to further their careers within an organisation. [9733/95]

Eric J. Byrne

Question:

10 Mr. E. Byrne asked the Minister for Equality and Law Reform if his attention has been drawn to the derisory levels of pay offered to people with disabilities working in sheltered schemes; the proposals, if any, he has to address the issue in conjunction with other relevant Departments; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [9753/95]

Kathleen Lynch

Question:

12 Kathleen Lynch asked the Minister for Equality and Law Reform the proposals, if any, he has to encourage private enterprises above a certain number of employees to employ a given percentage of people with disabilities; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [9750/95]

Peadar Clohessy

Question:

18 Mr. Clohessy asked the Minister for Equality and Law Reform if his attention has been drawn to the difficulties encountered by people with a disability in relation to financial services, in particular the often unexplained loadings on insurance policies. [9693/95]

Peadar Clohessy

Question:

22 Mr. Clohessy asked the Minister for Equality and Law Reform the responsibilities he has in relation to people with a disability, especially children and young people; and the person responsible for monitoring such legal protection as is in place. [9692/95]

Michael McDowell

Question:

24 Mr. M. McDowell asked the Minister for Equality and Law Reform the encouragement or advice, if any, he has given to groups involved with the arts to ensure that they make the fullest possible submissions to the Commission on the Status of People with Disabilities; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [9694/95]

I propose to take Questions Nos. 5, 10, 12, 18, 22 and 24 together.

Under the policy agreement, A Government of Renewal, the Government is committed to taking specific action to end discrimination and to ensure equal opportunity for participation by all people in Irish life. The intention is to put in place mechanisms for full and equal participation by every citizen with a disability in every aspect of economic and social life in line with the forthcoming recommendations of the Commission on the Status of People with Disabilities, which I appointed in 1993.

In the meantime, and without prejudice to the commission's work, I have been pressing ahead with several initiatives to prohibit discrimination against people with disabilities and to enhance their employment status. I will be introducing in the Oireachtas two new equality Bills, the Employment Equality Bill and the Equal Status Bill.

The Employment Equality Bill will repeal the Acts of 1974 and 1977 and re-enact them with substantial improvements, with a view to securing radical improvements in the legislative framework for equality. The Bill, among other things, will cover discrimination on grounds of disability.

The Government is also committed to tackling the question of discrimination in non-employment areas. The proposed Equal Status Bill will afford protection with regard to discrimination in education, access to goods, services and facilities, including recreational facilities, entertainment, accommodation, transport and professional services, and to the disposal of accomodation or other premises. Protection under this legislation will apply to various categories, including people with disabilities.

As regards exploring ways of increasing job opportunities, I had a meeting recently with the Irish Business and Employers' Confederation with a view to developing mechanisms to enhance the prospects and opportunities for advancement of people with disabilities in the employment area. I regard this meeting as one of the ongoing series of consultations with employers' representatives geared towards increasing the number of people with disabilities employed in the private sector.

The Commission on the Status of People with Disabilities is due to present its report to the Government at the end of this year. In its deliberations, the commission has been engaged in the most extensive consultation exercise since the foundation of the State with people with disabilities, their parents and carers and other interested parties. The conclusions of the working group which the commission set up to look at the issue of work and training, in so far as these issues relate to people with disabilities, will form a very important part of the commission's final report.

The 3 per cent quota for the employment of people with disabilities has been met in the Civil Service and I am continuing my efforts in seeking to improve the position in the wider public sector. I fully support the efforts of the National Rehabilitation Board in its efforts to improve the employment prospects of people with disabilities and believe that the Monitoring Committee for the Employment of People with Disabilities, which operates under the Programme for Competitiveness and Work, has an important part to play in progressing this issue.

I understand the commission is also examining the question of the pay levels applying to people with disabilities in sheltered employment. It would be prudent to have the expert advice of the commission before embarking on new initiatives in this area.

I am aware of the difficulties being experienced by people with a disability in relation to financial services and insurance cover. These important issues are also being considered at present by the commission and I look forward to receiving its recommendations for improving the situation. However, the commission's deliberations do not prevent any person who feels that he or she has been unfairly treated from lodging a complaint with the appropriate complaints authorities within those industries and seeking to have it fully investigated. The proposed Equal Status Bill will prohibit discrimination on grounds of disability in the financial services sector.

The ad hoc steering group, which I set up on 6 April 1995, on the recommendation of the commission, to facilitate the establishment of a Council for the Status of People with Disabilities, has already met on a number of occasions. The establishment of the council will provide a permanent forum for having issues affecting the welfare and interests of people with disabilities examined and highlighted and will constitute an important step in ensuring that these issues are addressed.

My role in relation to people with disabilities, in addition to those outlined above, is essentially a co-ordinating one. In this connection, my Department is represented on a number of interdepartmental committees dealing with problems which impact on the lives of people with disabilities. I should point out, however, that the Minister of State at the Departments of Health, Education and Justice has special responsibility for aspects of child care and policies affecting children.

The Commission on the Status of People with Disabilities has established a working group to examine the situation of people with disabilities in relation to arts and culture. I understand that, last November, the commission co-sponsored, with the National Rehabilitation Board and the City Arts Centre, a conference on arts and disability in the Royal Hospital in Kilmainham and that it has taken other initiatives to ascertain the views of people with disabilities and interested groups in relation to arts and culture. I believe that the initiatives undertaken by the commission adequately address the point raised by Deputy McDowell in his question.

Nobody doubts the Minister's good intentions in this area and the fact that, over the coming years, we will be continuing with further legislation and developments. However, we are faced with a crisis in regard to people with disabilities. A recent survey of wheelchair users indicated that 87 per cent of them were unemployed. A programme of immediate action is needed.

The Minister mentioned the 3 per cent quota for the employment of people with disabilities has been met in the Civil Service as a whole and that is commendable. When grant aid in excess of £5 million is being paid to companies to set up in Ireland I suggest the Government as a minimum attaches a 3 per cent disability quota. Surely it should be feasible for companies in receipt of that level of funding from the State to comply with that minimal requirement? Would he consider also having disability proofing from the outset in any new public sector schemes?

The Minister for Enterprise and Employment assesses grant applications and deals with them in consultation with the Minister for Finance. I will refer Deputy Woods's comments on that to the appropriate Ministers. I accept the level of unemployment among people with disabilities is unacceptably high. The Government recognises that fact and is attempting to address it in a number of ways, not least by having people with disabilities as a specified category in the new Employment Equality Bill, something which never happened before as only the gender category has been addressed in legislation in this area until now. That will be a major step forward. Many people with disabilities feel they are capable of doing a particular job as adequately as an able bodied person and that they are discriminated against in employment or promotion merely on account of their disability. The new legislation will be a major innovation in that regard and will impact substantially on the employment prospects of people with disabilities.

The Commission on the Status of People with Disabilities is addressing the broad ranging issue of the employment of people with disabilities and is due to report towards the end of this year. The commission has had extensive consultation with people with disabilities throughout the country and of course more than half the members of the commission are people with disabilities who are well aware of the problems. I look forward to its further suggestions and recommendations on employment which will be considered by the Government.

The proposed legislation is long overdue but it is welcome. Our attitude to and the conditions under which people with disabilities work are constantly changing. Probably the only time I would advocate State subsidies for private enterprise is for employment of the disabled. I suggest the Minister should suggest to the commission that the State would subsidise the income of people with disabilities whilst in employment. Does the Minister agree that depending on a person's disability it is more costly for them than the able bodied individual to remain in employment, for example, because of equipment or transport needs? Would the Minister consider the radical proposal of grant aiding employers to allow people with disabilities continue in employment?

I am aware that the Commission on the Status of People with Disabilities is examining all aspects of the employment of people with a disability and the alternatives open to it to advance the interests of people with disabilities in the employment context. Numerous suggestions have been made, including the suggestion put forward by Deputy Lynch. I know the National Rehabilitation Board — which does remarkable and excellent work in the employment context — is also actively involved in the employment of people with disabilities. All the strands are being drawn together in the work of the commission. It is the first time something of that nature has been set up and the combined wisdom of the Departments of Enterprise and Employment, Health and Equality and Law Reform and not least, of the people with disabilities will be drawn together in that report.

I expect it will be a formidable document, comparable to the report of the Second Commission on the Status of Women. It will be a major guideline not only for this Government but for future Governments to implement over a period of time. I expect that many of its suggestions will be radical. The report is due relatively soon and I am sure we will discuss it at the appropriate time.

The Minister will be happy to know that I was in Cheeverstown House with his colleague, the Minister of State at the Department of Health. They run sheltered employment schemes for handicapped people in Cheeverstown. However, the parents of handicapped adults feel that their offspring are being exploited because of low levels of pay. I appreciate this is a delicate area. Does the Minister agree that with the ever increasing growth of sheltered employment an organisation should be put in place to institute a trade union type structure to represent the interests of people in sheltered employment, given that they fall outside the mainstream of trade union membership? How does he envisage the rights of these workers being adequately represented?

The issue raised by Deputy Byrne is important but it is also complex. I would prefer to wait until the expert examination of that subject being conducted by the commission is completed. Factors such as the needs of those who work in sheltered workshops, their level of employment and what they produce, the concerns and wishes of their parents and the needs of the organisations that employ them must be carefully balanced. They perform a valuable function and we are anxious to encourage their activities. I know that is very much to the forefront in the commission's considerations and I assume it will make practical suggestions on that subject. I do not know if it will encompass trade union representation and I do not wish to prejudge that. When it reports, I will examine its recommendations carefully and the Government will consider how best to implement appropriate suggestions.

The Minister said the Commission on the Status of People with Disabilities was appointed in 1993 and that he expects to have its report by the end of the year. Will the Minister ensure that is so? Has he made adequate resources available to the commission? What priority has been accorded to it? If we receive the report at the end of the year, two and a half years will have elapsed since the commission was set up. Does the Minister expect to be Minister in that Department when the report is available?

I expect so and perhaps for a considerable time thereafter.

We will wait and see.

It was estimated that the commission would require two years to enable it to prepare a report. That is the time which was allowed to the Commission on the Status of Women to prepare its report. It is adequately resourced to enable it perform its function and I have not received any complaints to the contrary. It carried out extensive research, one of the most interesting of which was the listening exercise, inviting people with a disability, their parents, carers and interested groups to express their views. The response was remarkable. Hundreds of people were present at these listening exercises. Many commented that this was the first time anyone from Government expressed an interest in listening to their needs and experiences and it was much appreciated. The commission is doing an excellent job. The two year period will expire at the end of the year and I understand the preparation of the report is on target.

The Council for the Status of People with Disabilities will have an important role to play when it is set up. When the commission reports it will cease to exist but the council will be ongoing and will provide a forum for consultation with Government, interested groups and so on so that the needs of people with a disability can be dealt with on a permanent basis and they will have countrywide representation.

I agree that the commission is doing an excellent job and I am sure it will produce a comprehensive report. Does the Minister agree that there should be specific anti-discrimination legislation on disability rather than encompass it in two Bills? If the commission makes that recommendation will the Minister look at it favourably? What will be the status of the report? Will the Government state which recommendations it intends to implement? The recommendations made in the second report of the Commission on the Status of Women are to be taken as guidelines. Will the Minister examine the recommendations and state the timeframe within which they will be implemented?

I envisage that the report of the Commission on the Status of People with Disabilities will be similar to the second report of the Commission on the Status of Women. There probably will be an appreciable number of recommendations. It is impossible to predict which ones the Government will decide to implement in whole or in part as appropriate.

When I was appointed Minister for Equality and Law Reform in the previous Government, I was faced with the dilemma of whether to bring forward legislation which would cover the disadvantaged groups or await the outcome of the report of the Commission on the Status of People with Disabilities. Having considered all aspects, I decided not to wait for two years until the commission reported but to prepare the legislation. I endeavoured to deal in one Bill with the different categories of people we wish to protect. The preparation of legislation is complex and time consuming. I am anxious to cover not only the position of women but people with disability, discrimination on grounds of colour, creed and age, members of the travelling community and so on. The legislation is at an advanced stage of preparation and I hope to publish the first Bill, the Employment Equality Bill, this year. It will be a major step forward.

We should congratulate and record our appreciation of the various agencies involved in the provision of employment through sheltered schemes. I am amazed at some of the projects. Given the fears of the parents of children who are in sheltered employment and that there are so many organisations involved, for example, Cheeverstown House, Eve Holdings, Menni Enterprises and the Rehabilitation Institute will the Minister assure us that these jobs will be secure in the future as EU funding will expire in 1996?

The Deputy asked a very wide-ranging question which does not come within the ambit of this question. If he puts down a separate question seeking specific details I will endeavour to answer it if it comes within the ambit of my Department.

The Minister said it was difficult to make progress unless top management appreciated the importance of gender proofing on the one hand and disability proofing on the other. Will he consider organising a seminar to get across to top management in the public service the importance of disability and gender proofing and of providing access and opportunities for career advancement for people with disabilities — and women? Such a seminar would prove worthwhile and unless the initiative comes from the top one will not get the necessary support along the line.

It is a matter of deciding on the best approach. I do not know if a seminar would be the best approach but I will certainly consider it. The Deputy can be assured that my Department and I have ongoing contact with the relevant authorities and that process will continue.

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