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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 20 Sep 1995

Vol. 455 No. 8

Energy (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill, 1995: Second Stage.

I move: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

I would like to put the Bill in context. This Bill has its origins in a proposal for a Bill to provide for a variety of issues including, principally, measures to facilitate the construction by Bord Gáis Éireann, BGE, of the Ireland-UK natural gas interconnector. In the event, the provisions relating to the construction of the interconnector became urgent and it was necessary to proceed with these on their own, culminating in the passage of the Gas (Amendment) Act, 1993. The remaining issues had to be deferred and these, together with a number of additional issues which have arisen since then, form the subject matter of the Bill now before the House. As a result, the Bill contains a range of provisions relating to BGE specifically, as well as provisions relating to other aspects of the energy sector.

As its Title indicates, the Bill deals with a variety of energy issues relating to the production, supply, sale, transmission, distribution and use of certain forms of energy and matters incidental to those activities. The Bill provides for measures to facilitate the activities of BGE and ministerial control thereof, regulation of the operation of gas pipelines and electricity cables offshore, inspection of energy infrastructural facilities, investigation of accidents involving those facilities, extending and strengthening the Minister's powers to grant offshore licensing and-or lease undertakings, amendment of legislation relating to superannuation in the ESB, measures to deal with the theft of electricity and gas and recoupment from the ESB of the cost of reviews of the provision and regulation of electricity services carried out by or on behalf of the Minister.

I know it is a coincidence but it is also somewhat appropriate that the House is dealing with this Bill today in the middle of Energy Awareness Week. Energy plays a major role in our economy, with both economic and social implications; the annual final energy demand bill, at approximately £2.5 billion, is about 10 per cent of GNP. Our energy policy has three primary objectives, namely, the supply of a choice of fuels to consumers as efficiently as possible, at internationally competitive prices, taking account of supply security, socio-economic and environmental considerations; the consumption of this energy as efficiently as possible; and the production of as much of national energy requirements from indigenous sources as is economically possible.

I include in the final objective what are now called "renewables" and "alternatives"— wind, hydro and biomass. For example, some months ago I announced the results of the alternative energy requirement scheme. Assuming that all the projects proceed, 111 megawatts of capacity would be installed under this heading. The electricity generated would represent a 35 per cent increase on present production from alternative sources and alternative energy would then supply about 10 per cent of our total electricity needs.

The facts that our total final consumption of energy is increasing and that more than half of the fuel for this is imported highlight the need for measures to achieve efficiency in the use of energy. This can be achieved by raising awareness of the importance of energy efficiency, by ensuring efficient and rational use and by providing incentives where appropriate. Ensuring that energy is consumed as efficiently as possible is one of the three main pillars of Irish energy policy.

The establishment of the Irish Energy Centre and the development of a cohesive national energy conservation policy recognise that in order to promote energy efficiency, it is necessary to create a new culture in relation to energy consumption. It is necessary also to provide sound advice and expert guidance in relation to best practice in individual sectors, to encourage the development of companies offering energy audit facilities and to provide incentives to companies to invest in new systems and technology. Initiatives in this area must be linked with EU targets and objectives within the Union's energy and environment policies.

It is also accepted that proper infrastructure is needed to develop and coordinate activities within this programme. The Irish Energy Centre, coupled with the active participation of the member organisations of the Energy Advisory Board, is responding to that need and the benefits to the Irish economy are now becoming apparent.

In regard to energy costs, consumers here face a number of competitive disadvantages compared to elsewhere in the EU due to the characteristics of the Irish energy sector. Our geographical situation on the periphery of Europe, for example, adds to the costs of energy supply, particularly electricity and gas. Being isolated, our national electricity system must maintain excess standby capacity as spinning reserve, so adding to costs. Our population settlement pattern is also an important factor, our population density, at 51 per square kilometre, being low by comparison with the EU average of 151 per square kilometre.

A number of sections of the Bill deal with BGE. Accordingly I propose to give the House some information about BGE's performance and the major issues affecting the board at this juncture. BGE is a highly successful State body which has performed satisfactorily since its establishment in 1976. It supplies a varied market, including domestic and industrial-commercial users, the ESB and NET. Domestic and industrial-commercial users account for 35 per cent of gas sales and 61 per cent of revenue. Gas deliveries to the ESB account for 42 per cent of total deliveries while deliveries to NET account for 23 per cent. In terms of revenue, the ESB contributes 31 per cent and NET 8 per cent.

BGE has developed the gas industry so that gas now contributes 17 per cent of our total primary energy requirement, as against 6 per cent in 1980. It also contributes 26 per cent of the fuels input to electricity generation. Domestic customers have increased by an average of 9 per cent per annum over the last three years and now stand at 233,000, representing over 30 per cent of all Irish homes. Bord Gáis Éireann plans to have natural gas available to 40 per cent of all Irish homes by the end of this decade, which would be the equivalent of 75 per cent of all homes within the area of the gas grid.

All this progress has been achieved without the need for any State investment in BGE. On the contrary, the Exchequer has benefited to the tune of a total of £394 million in contributions from BGE. Therefore, not only gas consumers but the whole economy has reaped the benefits of BGE's success. This success story is due in a major part to the expertise and resourcefulness of the chairman, Dr. Michael Conlon, the board, the chief executive, Mr. Philip Cronin, and the management and staff of BGE. I congratulate them on their continued success.

Bord Gáis Éireann has a statutory obligation to develop and maintain a system for the supply of natural gas on a commercial basis and any proposals for extension of the gas grid are assessed by the board in the light of that obligation. Only projects which meet the board's economic criteria are undertaken. In that context, I have asked the board to investigate the economics of extensions to Shannon, Ennis, Tralee, Galway and other towns, as I am anxious that the network should be extended to other areas of the country where that would be commercially viable.

The gas industry has reached an important milestone in its history, with the construction of the Ireland-UK natural gas interconnector. This major addition to the gas infrastructure comprises onshore pipelines and facilities in Ireland and Scotland, an undersea pipeline and a compressor station in Scotland. All the onshore and undersea pipeline elements of the project have been completed, while the compressor station is expected to be completed shortly.

The interconnector was built by BGE to provide gas supplies when the Kinsale and associated Ballycotton gas fields are depleted, which is expected to be in the next five years or so, and to provide an alternative supply in the event of any disruption of that source prior to depletion. BGE will then have to purchase all of its gas requirements on the UK-Norwegian markets unless — as I hope — adequate further indigenous supplies are discovered and developed in the meantime.

Bord Gáis Éireann informed me that it is in negotiation for the import of gas from the UK through the interconnector on behalf of a third party. In addition, BGE will import gas from the UK to meet other market requirements which cannot be met by Kinsale Head-Ballycotton gas fields. From October 1996 BGE will start to import gas to meet peak winter requirements for the domestic, industrial and commercial markets.

It is important to note that since December 1993 small volumes of gas have been imported through the pipeline. Also, the pipeline has provided security of supply facilities to protect BGE's core market of 240,000 customers should there be an interruption in supplies of gas from the Kinsale Head-Ballycotton fields. I should add that if further indigenous gas supplies are discovered, the interconnector could be used to export any gas surplus to our requirements.

Bord Gáis Éireann expects to conclude negotiation shortly for the sale of capacity on part of the Scottish onshore pipeline, from Moffat to Twynholme, to a subsidiary of British Gas which will be involved in the transport of gas to the Ballylumford power station in Northern Ireland through its own subsea pipeline on and from October 1996.

European Union proposals pose a further challenge for BGE. In 1992, the European Commission produced two proposals for directives concerning common rules for the internal market in electricity and common rules for the internal market in gas. Following amendments proposed by the European Parliament, the Commission reissued an amended version of the draft directives at the end of 1993. Since then, the draft directive concerning common rules for the internal market in electricity has been extensively discussed, while the draft directive on gas has been put on hold until the draft directive on electricity has been finalised. However, it is likely that the draft directive on gas will be considered by the EU Council in the near future.

Among other things, the draft directive proposes the introduction of arrangements for the use of gas networks by large industrial consumers for the transmission of their own gas at negotiated charges, a facility normally referred to as third party access. The draft directive also proposes that gas undertakings must keep separate accounts for the divisions dealing with production, transmission, storage and distribution activities, in the same manner as they would be required to do if the divisions were separate companies.

The draft directive is at an early stage and will certainly be fully debated and probably amended before its adoption. I assure the House that I will strive for a final directive that will safeguard the interests of the Irish consumer, the Irish economy and the livelihoods of those employed in the gas industry. I am consulting with interested parties on the draft directive in that regard. Against that background and recognising the challenges which face it, BGE engaged consultants to advise it on the enhancement of the key business processes and greater customer focus.

Sections 7, 8, 12 and 13 of the Bill are relevant to BGE. These provisions are designed to enable BGE to function more effectively. I will explain the purposes of these provisions later in my speech. If a need arises for further legislation to facilitate BGE in coping with the challenges of the future, I will, of course, bring forward such legislation at an early date. The Bill includes provisions relating to exploration for oil and gas. The promotion of hydrocarbon exploration is an activity to which the Government attaches considerable importance in the context of national economic development. Further petroleum production from the Irish offshore would add to the immense benefits bestowed on the national economy arising from the production of our own natural gas. With that in mind, it is my intention that every effort should continue to be made to make further commercial discoveries a reality.

The current taxation measures and licensing terms are specially designed to attract the interest of exploration companies in the Irish offshore. These measures have placed Ireland in a competitive position on the world scale for attracting exploration interest. In recent times, stringent efforts have been made to highlight the benefits that can accrue to companies which discover petroleum in Ireland and I am happy to record that substantial progress has been made in enticing companies to explore in our offshore.

A strong interest has been stimulated in exploration and currently there are 24 exploration licences in place. There has also been a steady increase in licensing options and at present nine options covering 34 blocks or part blocks thereof are in force. It is expected that a number of those options will be converted to exploration licences carrying well-drilling obligations. The number of major exploration companies now turning their attention towards offshore Ireland gives me confidence that this renewed interest will result in a significant increase in exploration activity in the coming years. In 1993 the frontier licensing round in the Slyne and Erris troughs off the north-west coast of Ireland resulted in a very positive response with ten exploration companies in five groups being awarded licences over 28 blocks. The Slyne-Erris round signalled the return of a number of oil companies to Ireland and introduced a number of new companies to Ireland in addition to providing opportunities for established companies to expand their interests here.

The interest shown in the Slyne-Erris round was surpassed by the Porcupine licensing round which closed on 15 December 1994. Some 16 exploration companies submitted 11 applications for 35 blocks in the area and last March eight licences were awarded to groups representing 15 companies in respect of 32 blocks. Ireland now has a very good coverage of licences and effective exploration programmes have been committed over Ireland's prime prospective acreage, ranging from the Irish Sea across the Celtic Sea to the Porcupine and Slyne-Erris basins off the west coast. The licences represent a good balance between shallow water and frontier areas. I am hopeful that the efforts in these basins will prove fruitful.

The frontier licences facilitate companies to work in deep water and provide opportunities for Ireland to gain from the rapid technical advances that enable hydrocarbon exploration and exploitation in deep water and hostile environments. Nowadays smaller fields can be economically exploited due to the recent evolution in low cost, fast track development.

In addition to awarding licences under rounds, it is my policy to operate an "open door" licensing system for acreage which is available for licensing. The use of both licensing rounds and the open door system has served Ireland well in recent years and it is my intention to continue with this policy. However, I have decided that two areas should not be available for the present. The Porcupine Basin was not reopened following the close of the round in December 1994. In addition, the Rockall trough has been closed to encourage acquisition of data and preparation of assessment reports so that its hydrocarbon potential could be properly assessed. I expect to be in a position to make an announcement of future licensing opportunities in the Rockall trough in May 1996.

I take particular pleasure from the announcement of the test results of the recent appraisal well, drilled by Marathon just 4.5 miles south west of the Kinsale Head Gas Bravo platform. The initial results appear to indicate the presence of "new" gas, that is gas that would not be possible to extract through the existing Kinsale Head field facilities. This encouraging news endorses the confidence already shown by oil companies in Ireland's offshore and further enhances the attractiveness of investment in it.

The test results are now being analysed with a view to establishing the feasibility of extracting the gas. Although further analysis of the data acquired during the testing period is required, the fact that the well has been suspended gives hope that it may be possible for Marathon to declare commerciality later this year.

At this point I will outline the main provisions of the Bill. Under section 40 (1) of the Gas Act, 1976, persons other than BGE may not construct or operate a gas pipeline over or under the surface of land, without the giving of previous and reasonable notice to the Minister. Section 2 of the Bill will extend that restriction to the seabed in the territorial seas of the State or to a designated area within the meaning of the Continental Shelf Act, 1968. The need for the provision arises from the growing international trend towards the construction of international energy inter-connectors.

The Continental Shelf Act at present covers only pipelines laid in connection with the exploitation of the Irish continental shelf. Section 3 of the Bill extends the relevant provisions of the Continental Shelf Act to apply also to pipelines crossing the Irish continental shelf carrying gas and to electricity cables. The opportunity is also being taken to amend section 7 of the Continental Shelf Act in order to provide the Minister with the powers to make regulations to control the discharge of polluting substances. As a consequence of this amendment, section 6 of the Bill amends the Sea Pollution Act, 1991 so as to exclude pollution from pipelines and cables from that Act.

Section 4 amends sections 5, 6 and 12 of the Continental Shelf Act so as to control the construction, alteration or improvement of any structure or works in a designated area and the removal of any object or material from a designated area without the consent of the Minister for Transport, Energy and Communications and the Minister for the Marine. The functions of the Minister for Transport, Energy and Communications relate to the orderly and proper use of a designated area while the Minister for the Marine's functions relate to safety of navigation.

Section 5 amends section 48 (1) of the Safety, Health and Welfare (Offshore Installations) Act, 1987 so as to extend that section to cover any provision of the Continental Shelf Act, 1968 rather than just section 3 of the 1968 Act.

Section 7 provides for the extension of the powers of BGE to effect certain commercial transactions, e.g. to establish subsidiaries and to lend or advance money or guarantee repayment of moneys by subsidiary companies. For the most part, this section incorporates into statute the provisions of section 9 of the Gas Act, 1976 and the Establishment of Subsidiaries Order, 1990. The powers in the order are being extended to include the power to guarantee the contracts and obligations of third parties. This is deemed necessary to ensure that BGE is not placed at a disadvantage vis-à-vis its competitors at home and abroad. BGE operates in a competitive energy market and should have powers equivalent to those of a company incorporated under the Companies Acts to engage in commercial transactions. From time to time in the course of negotiating its contracts, the board is required to give valid and effective guarantees and indemnities as a matter of commercial bargain and necessity.

The opportunity is being taken to clarify the arrangements for BGE in relation to the establishment of subsidiaries, lending money or guaranteeing repayment of moneys by subsidiaries by providing that the exercise of such powers by the board shall be subject to the prior written consent of the Minister, given with the approval of the Minister for Finance. Sections 18 and 21 make similar provision in respect of the Electricity Supply Board and Bord na Móna, respectively. These controls already apply in the case of Aer Lingus and Aer Rianta.

Section 8 provides for an extension of BGE's borrowing powers for capital purposes to enable the board to issue securities, e.g. the creation of stock or other forms of securities. BGE has informed me that the absence of these powers has caused some difficulty for the board in arranging for borrowing on the most attractive terms. For example, some bodies wishing to deal with BGE in this regard cannot do so because of the constitution of those bodies. The provision in section 8 will overcome this problem. All proposals in this area will be subject to the consent and approval of the Minister for Transport, Energy and Communications, and the Minister for Finance.

There is a need to strengthen the Minister's powers regarding the inspection of energy infrastructures. The Minister's powers to inspect energy infrastructures such as exploration and production platforms at sea, electricity plants, powerlines, gas installations, oil refineries and pipelines are fragmented at present. The Petroleum and Other Minerals Development Act, 1960 contains some powers in relation to petroleum leases and licences. Energy infrastructure is likely to become more widespread and diverse in nature and may increasingly be operated under the control of non-State bodies. It is important that the Minister should have a power, through authorised officers, to oversee all energy operations capable of being a source of risk to the public or the environment and to ensure that they are conducted in conformity with good industrial practice and in accordance with statutory requirements.

Section 9 provides the Minister with the power to appoint authorised officers to inspect energy infrastructures and to oversee all energy operations capable of being a risk to the public or the environment. Authorised officers would be appointed following consultation with the Minister for Enterprise and Employment where appropriate and the powers and duties of authorised officers are set out in the Bill. The authorised officers will be empowered to enforce industry standards and statutory duties in the construction, operation or decommissioning of energy infrastructures.

Section 10 will empower the Minister to order an investigation into an accident or incident involving an energy infrastructure. Apart from existing law relating to safety in workplaces, to the holding of inquiries, and in the case of the gas industry, to the investigation of gas related incidents by BGE on his behalf, there is no power available to the Minister to examine the causes of major or serious incidents involving, for example, drilling rigs at sea and gas or oil production platforms. The powers under this section would be used where the procedures under the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Act, 1989 are inappropriate and would provide also for ancillary powers relating to the holding of investigations, the protection of life and property following such incidents.

Section 11 details a number of restrictions on the exercise of powers in relation to holding investigations. Where power is vested in a person other than the Minister under any Act to conduct an investigation, the Minister is required to establish whether that person proposes to hold an investigation. If that person proposes to hold an investigation and if the Minister is satisfied that such investigation will give enough information and facts as regards the matters of concern to him, the Minister would not hold a separate investigation. This section is designed to avoid duplication of investigations.

Section 12 provides for the formal vesting, by ministerial order, in Bord Gáis Éireann of the assets of the former town gas utilities acquired by BGE to consolidate ownership of BGE's assets. The conveyance of these assets would normally give rise to the imposition of stamp duties, which could amount to nearly £3 million. Section 12 obviates the need for BGE to rely on a legal conveyance and thereby avoid the payment of duty.

The utilities in question are: Dublin Gas Company; Limerick Gas Company Limited; Cork Gas Company; City of Waterford Gas Company; and Clonmel Gas Company Limited. Bord Gáis Éireann took over the assets of the Dublin Gas Company to secure the continued distribution of gas to Dublin in a safe, efficient and progressive manner. Likewise, BGE acquired the other four town gas utilities to ensure that their customers continued to receive gas supplies.

Section 13 provides for the creation of offences and associated penalties relating to the theft of electricity and gas. The relevant provision of the existing legislation, the Larceny Act, 1916, relating to this subject, in so far as electricity is concerned, is being repealed. The legal experience of bringing prosecutions under the existing legislation was most unsatisfactory and much difficulty was encountered in securing convictions. Accordingly, new provisions are required in a single statute.

It is necessary to strengthen the Minister's powers in relation to undertakings to grant exploration licences, known as licensing options, undertakings to grant petroleum prospecting licences and undertakings to grant petroleum leases. The existing provisions of the Petroleum and Other Minerals Development Act, 1960, do not specify that the Minister may impose conditions when granting these authorisations and do not refer to their revocation where the holder fails to comply with the conditions attached. The amendment to the 1960 Act in section 14 of this Bill will enable the Minister to issue these undertakings subject to such terms and conditions as may be necessary.

The purpose of section 15 is to extend the scope of the Fuels (Control of Supplies) Acts to broaden the definition of petroleum to include, for example, natural gas and to include the production of petroleum as well as the exploitation of the fuel resources of a designated area. These Acts provide for the regulation and control of the acquisition, supply, distribution and marketing of fuels, as well as the control of the import and export of fuels. The Minister's powers under these Acts can only be exercised when the Government has declared by order that the common good warrants such action, in other words, these powers are designed to deal with an energy supply emergency.

Section 16 provides for the removal of an anomaly in the ESB superannuation schemes in respect of staff seconded to the Oireachtas. When an ESB staff member is seconded to the Oireachtas he or she has to pay both the employer's and employee's superannuation contributions to the ESB for the period of the secondment. This amendment proposes that in the event of the member being awarded an Oireachtas pension, the secondment period will be disregarded for ESB pension purposes and on retirement he or she will receive a refund of all contributions paid during the secondment period, rather than just a refund of the employee's superannuation contributions as heretofore.

Section 17 amends the Electricity Supply Board (Superannuation) Act, 1942, to provide for the establishment of a single fund to cover all employees and to provide for trustee discretion on fund investments. The Bill provides for the amendment of the Electricity Supply Board (Superannuation) Act, 1942, so as to provide for the amalgamation of the manual workers' superannuation scheme and the general employees' superannuation scheme. This was to be achieved by revoking the former scheme and transferring the moneys in that fund into the fund in respect of the general employees' superannuation scheme. This amalgamation actually took place in 1981.

Until 1981 superannuation contributions were divided on a 50:50 basis between employees and employer. Subsection (4) provides that this equal divide need no longer apply. The rationale behind the change was to allow the board to take on a greater proportion of the cost in order to fund the changes required by the amalgamation of the two schemes.

Section 19 enables the Minister to recover from the ESB the cost of any reviews and consultancies which may be undertaken to advise on the provision and regulation of electricity. In the short term the provision will allow the Minister to recover the cost of three consultancies, one which commenced in December 1993 and has since been completed and the two others which are at present under way. The combined costs of the three consultancies should not exceed £1 million. Since the reviews concerned all share the common purpose of improving the welfare of the electricity consumer, it is only reasonable that the cost of such reviews should be recovered from the ESB's revenues rather than be borne by the Exchequer.

The most significant of the consultancies relates to major restructuring of the electricity sector approved by the Government. This exercise is designed to stimulate efficiency and create a market which will respond effectively to the wide variety of customer needs. The most significant changes would involve the facilitation of competition in power generation and electricity retail supply. Restructuring is also an essential response to current proposals on the liberalisation of the European energy market. Work on the appropriate legislation and regulatory changes necessary to give effect to the proposals approved by Government is continuing with the advice and assistance of consultants. I hope to introduce legislative proposals in 1996 with a view to achieving a new regulatory framework in 1997.

Section 20 provides for an amendment to the Turf Development Act, 1946, consequent on the moving of the headquarters of Bord na Móna from Dublin to Newbridge, County Kildare.

Section 22 is a simple amendment proposed by the Attorney General and agreed by the Department of Health to resolve a conflict between a section in the Radiological Protection Act, 1991 relating to the medical use of ionising radiation and provisions of European Union legislation. Advice given to my Department was that legal difficulties could arise from a conflict between the primary legislation which prescribes the role and functions of the Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland and the European Communities (Ionising Radiation) Regulations, 1991 if this conflict was not resolved. Briefly, section 7 (2) of the Radiological Protection Act, 1991, as it stands, imposes a general restriction on the functions of the institute by excluding the medical use of ionising radiation from these functions. However, the Union legislation on the other hand places no such restriction on the institute's functions in respect of the use of radioactive substances and appliances other than that the institute should consult with the Department of Health in respect of medical use.

The provision in the Union legislation is considered to be more appropriate and the legal advice is that it must prevail over alternative provisions which conflict with Union legislation. Therefore, section 7 (2) of the 1991 Act is being amended, as proposed in this Bill, to remove the inconsistency between the two pieces of legislation.

Section 23 provides for necessary repeals and revocations, including most of the Turf Development Act, 1981. That Act provided for payment of bog development grants, which have now been discontinued. The private bog development grant scheme was introduced by the Turf Development Act, 1981. The scheme was designed to stimulate the development of private peat resources and provided grants towards access roads, drainage and machinery for bog development. Under the scheme, which was funded by my Department, applicants submitted development plans to Bord na Móna who administered the scheme on behalf of the Department. The scheme proved successful as it brought private turf production to an annual level of approximately 1.5 million tonnes from a previously very low base.

The scheme was terminated in October 1987 having been deemed to have achieved its purpose and Bord na Móna has not accepted any new applications since that date. It has not been possible to terminate financial outlay as there remains work approved which has not yet been completed due to delays caused by bad weather and also a shortfall in funding in recent years. Only when work has been completed can the funds be paid to projects. I understand from Bord na Móna that all outstanding grants will be paid during the current year.

I will be bringing forward a number of amendments to the Bill on Committee Stage. The bulk of these amendments will relate to the role of the Minister for the Marine in relation to the control of energy-related activities in the marine environment.

Deputies are already aware of the decision to introduce competition in the electricity sector. The recently announced 120 megawatt peat-fired power station in the east midlands and the 30 megawatt biomass station will be the first major tranches of electricity generating capacity to be selected by open competition under the new regime. In preparation for these competitions, I am considering introducing a provision in this Bill for the setting up of a power procurer, who will be responsible for negotiating and concluding power purchase agreements with generators and for the subsequent operation of those contracts. Substantive legislation providing for the restructuring of the electricity sector will be introduced at a later stage.

As I have already stated, the Ireland-UK natural gas interconnector is nearly completed. This new facility will have capacity for qualified third parties to transmit their own gas through the new pipeline at a charge to be negotiated with BGE. There is also capacity on the Ireland onshore high pressure transmission system for the grant of such access. Bord Gáis Éireann's objective is to earn revenue from the interconnector at the earliest possible date. Provision of such access to the BGE network will fulfil the Government's commitment in relation to the Moriarty Task Force on the implementation of the Culliton report. IBEC has been pressing for the early introduction of third party access to the gas network in accordance with the commitment on the Moriarty Task Force.

I referred earlier in my speech to an EU draft directive which proposes the grant of such access to gas networks for large scale gas users. My first priority in relation to the development of the gas industry is to ensure that BGE remains a vibrant and progressive State body, with adequate financial resources providing a first-class gas supply to its customers. The position is that third party access to the BGE network is already available on a non-mandatory basis. I am not satisfied that it would be in the best interests of BGE or the gas industry generally that BGE should grant unlimited access to its network for gas transmission. Therefore, BGE should have discretion in relation to the extent to which it is prepared to provide third party access.

I am considering the possibility of including a provision on Committee Stage to allow BGE to provide that facility and to set out the proposed powers and functions of the Minister in that respect.

I commend the Bill to the House.

I welcome this Bill. I commend the Minister of State and his Department for bringing it forward. It makes major amendments to many of the Acts pertaining to energy supply, distribution and management. However, it alarms me somewhat that a Bill of this magnitude should not be handled by the senior Minister in the Department. The information available to me is that the Minister for Transport, Energy and Communications, Deputy Lowry, had intended to present this Bill.

That is not correct.

The Minister of State can respond to my speech when concluding Second Stage.

It is in my area of responsibility. That is why I am introducing it.

It is a complex area with many responsibilities. The information available to me is that the Minister was to be here but that his Cabinet colleagues, party advisers and highly-paid personal advisers felt he should take early political hibernation at this time. They feel he should take an autumnal retreat away from the pressures he has brought upon himself in the last few months during a period of summer silliness.

I regret he has had political hallucinations, daydreams and nightmares which have shadowed his political career. I hope he will recover. It is vitally important that he address the allegations before the nation and parliament which appointed him.

These unsubstantiated allegations reflect badly on excellent staff in most of the semi-State organisations throughout the country, many of whom are covered by this Bill. The time has come for the Minister to unequivocally answer questions. It is unfair to make terrible unsubstantiated allegations against excellent public servants who have served the country with distinction and managed semi-State organisations and delivered tremendous service to our country over many years. Deputy Lowry has a responsibility to be frank and open and to substantiate his statements on his own behalf. In my efforts to become a politician I too received many anonymous letters. Deputies receive anonymous letters on many occasions. If one was to worry about them, one would not make any decisions and might not do any work at all.

Deputy Lowry must come back to this House, sooner rather than later, to substantiate his allegations. While he may have a number of motives for his actions, it is obvious that he is now engaging valuable public sector time trying to ensure that the allegations he made can be substantiated. He has bought time until next month to see what the professionals, both within the public sector and outside it, can craft together in an effort to protect his political career.

Deputy Lowry may have aspirations for greater office. If he has, we wish him well but there are ways in which he can go about this rather than cast mud on many decent people and, indeed, make charges against my political party, whose record of service to this country is unequalled. I am sure we will continue to enhance and expand that record in the years ahead.

I hope Deputy Lowry will be back soon to clarify the situation and that he will no longer engage the professionals in the public sector, the external accountants and others trying to justify his claims.

This Bill is timely. It is important and positive. I welcome it and give my party's support to it. I will raise a number of issues and we propose to table amendments on Committee Stage. We hope the Minister will be able to come back on Committee and Report Stages, or perhaps at the end of this debate, with answers for us.

I welcome the Minister's contribution and endorse what he said about Bord Gáis Éireann, an excellent semi-State organisation which is young by comparison with other such bodies and has done a good job in a short period in successfully managing a vital national resource. Perhaps at the end of this debate or later the Minister could confirm the exact position pertaining to exploration, the record in that area and any proposed exploration to see what other gas reserves may be available in our territorial waters in the years ahead. The information available to me is that we have gas reserves to take us to the end of the century and I hope that can be sustained.

The gas interconnector is a major piece of infrastructure which puts us in a strong position vis-à-vis energy supply for the future. It gives us an opportunity to have access to the international gas network. The interconnector links us with the United Kingdom and from there we can be connected to Europe and ultimately to Russia and other places containing vast gas resources. Consequently we should not find ourselves isolated in the future because adequate and sustainable gas reserves will be available to this island.

I compliment and congratulate the Minister, his Department and Bord Gáis Éireann on the tremendous work over the years. I was pleased to have served in that Department and I know the great work which has been done. I hope there will be continued success in that area and it would be advantageous to know the possibilities for positive exploration in the future.

Some people, including myself, doubt whether there is absolute transparency and equity in the value being received by BGE for the reserves and the gas it makes available to Irish industry, especially to another semi-State organisation, Nitrigín Éireann Teoranta. From legislation and the financial environment in which NET operates through Government diktats over the years, it appears BGE must supply gas at a particular price and NET has the protection of the State and Government Departments for what it does in response and in utilising those resources. There may be a distortion in the competitive position which prevails in the manufacture and distribution of fertiliser in this country as a result of that environment.

People have raised this on a number of occasions and perhaps the Minister and his Department, in co-operation with the Department of Agriculture, Food and Forestry and the Department of Finance, will critically examine the issue to ensure the taxpayer is getting value for the national resource of gas and that there is absolute transparency and accountability by one semi-State organisation in the utilisation of that resource and in the payment of a proper and equitable price for it to another semi-State organisation. That would ultimately be of benefit to the taxpayer.

I welcome the fact that we are debating this Bill in Energy Awareness Week and I compliment everyone associated with that, including the energy unit in the Department of Transport, Energy and Communications and the ESB, which has piloted and managed Energy Awareness Week up to this year. I also welcome the establishment of the Irish Energy Centre and I wish everyone involved with it — its chief executive, board of directors and staff — every success in the future. They are a confident, professional group of people who know they have a key role to play. They have received great support from the Department and have collaborated with various organisations both inside and outside this country.

Now that it is formally established in a new centre currently being constructed in Glasnevin, I am confident the Irish Energy Centre will make a major contribution to ensuring that we are all fully aware of the vital importance of energy as a resource, that we use it wisely and well and that we maximise its efficiency to create the greatest economic output, thereby providing the greatest benefit to all its users be they workers, elderly people, residents of homes, etc. Energy is vital to the success and well being of our nation and I wish Energy Awareness Week, and in particular the Irish Energy Centre, every success in the years ahead.

The Minister referred to the fact that Ireland is on the periphery of Europe. As an island nation, energy is of vital importance to us. This is an opportune time for co-operation and collaboration between the Department of Transport, Energy and Communications and its equivalent in Northern Ireland and with the various semi-State organisations here. As a small island nation on the periphery of Europe it is important for us to realise that our population and our energy demand are small in world terms and that we must utilise all our resources to the maximum benefit of all our people.

I am concerned that we might unnecessarily spend money creating energy infrastructure to supply two different parts of this island rather than working on a joint plan to have a composite supply, involving the minimum expenditure for the maximum use, which would be of great benefit to all the people on the island. During my time at the Department in the Government of the former Taoiseach, Deputy Albert Reynolds, much work was done in every Government Department to ensure that plans and programmes were put together so that we could have an all-island approach to all the problems in this country, be they economic, political or otherwise.

I hope the Minister will give an indication at the conclusion of this debate or at a later stage that some progress has been made in this area. I know much progress has been made with the reconnection of the electricity interconnector, which I welcome. I raised that issue in this House some time ago and work began shortly after that. That interconnector operated in the past and it is now operating again. I hope it will continue to operate in the future without any interruption. That is due to the peaceful environment now prevailing on this island. I hope there will be further collaboration between North and South. I note the Geological Survey of Ireland and the Northern Ireland Geological Survey have enjoyed great co-operation during the past 12 to 18 months and much work is being carried out in that area.

I have had the privilege of serving in six Government Departments in eight years as a junior Minister. Of all the Departments in which I have served, the Department which can underpin the value of the peace process to our country and ensure that there is positive and practical co-operation between all the State agencies is the Department of Transport, Energy and Communications. I hope that co-operation will continue into the future in various facets of activities.

I note the Minister has asked Bord Gáis Éireann to investigate the economics of extending the gas pipeline to Shannon, Ennis, Tralee and Galway. I welcome that. I have some information on it and if the Minister has a detailed conversation with the excellent officials to his right——

It might even go to Ballinasloe.

I am not a parochial politician. I represent the best constituency in the country.

It will not do the Deputy any harm.

I take a global view of problems on this island. If it comes to Galway, the towns of Ballinasloe, Loughrea, Athenry and Gort will benefit. Will the Minister report back to the House on the information available to his Department on some of these locations? That information would be a pointer to us regarding the direction it may take. I admire the Minister's ambitious request but I am not sure if it will be fulfilled in one fell swoop. Will the Minister indicate what might be done and how soon the neglected peripheral people of the west might expect connection?

Many of the legislative proposals result from EU directives on competition and availability of supply to third parties. The Council of Ministers is discussing various aspects of gas and electricity at this time and the Department and the Minister are planning to be ahead of the posse and to be ready when these changes are agreed. It is obvious that there will be major changes in the way some of our semi-State organisations are run, managed and structured. When we go to Europe to conclude negotiations it is important that we are in a position to say that we have changed our structure to what we believe is best for our island and we expect that Europe will acknowledge that if a derogation is needed for particular aspects, it will be granted thus ensuring no inhibitions or impediments to our economic development.

Section 5 refers to the amendment of section 48 of the Safety, Health and Welfare (Offshore Installations) Act, 1987. I am pleased with the progress made in Irish offshore exploration. Last year as a result of a successful international conference, the first of its kind held here, membership of the Irish offshore operators group increased from about five in 1994 to in excess of 30. That indicates the level of commitment and international interest in the licensing and taxation regimes operating here. I hope those who have taken the risk, made the investment and taken out exploration licences for the sake of the island and its economic well being, will benefit from a positive response, sooner rather than later, when various wells are spudded in the Irish offshore area. That is their due reward. It is obvious that if there was a positive response and we were fortunate to strike oil the economy would be able to sustain itself well into the future. We could then tackle our serious debt problem in a more meaningful way and it would be easier to meet our commitments to the various agencies from which we have borrowed heavily.

I wish all those who have taken out exploration licences in the Irish offshore exploration area every success. They are professionals involved in probably the biggest risk industry in the world. As one who held the same portfolio as the Minister of State, Deputy Stagg, I had the privilege on a number of occasions of visiting the Irish offshore exploration area and some of the rigs. I compliment everyone associated with that industry on the professional standards operating on those rigs. It is vitally important that the State, the Government of the day and the Department are protected in the event of a difficulty at any time. I welcome the amendment which proposes to take account of the safety, health and welfare of people working in Irish offshore installations and the proposed changes to the 1987 Act.

I found also to my amazement that due to the irregular nature of work offshore Ireland, the cadre of Irish people with the skills and expertise to work offshore did not get regular work and if they worked in other parts of the world they were not always available when opportunities arose at home. At that time we had very difficult and sensitive discussions and FÁS, in co-operation with the Irish offshore operators group and the Department, were to provide structured and professional training for the various types of workers who would work offshore. Will the Minister report on the progress that has been made in this field, the extent of employment opportunities available and the number of Irish people working offshore at present?

It is proposed in section 7 to extend the powers of Bord Gáis Éireann to effect certain commercial transactions. I welcome the proposed changes because it is vitally important that the semi-State bodies be able to operate in a sensible and structured regime. Obviously parameters have to be laid down both in law and by regulation because at the end of the day Parliament is responsible for all public sector agencies. Ultimately the Minister, the Minister of State and the relevant Department are responsible to answer to this House. It is vitally important to have sensitive and flexible arrangements so that the State agencies are able to do business in a commercial way and are able to take advantage of the prevailing financial environment.

The proposal that the semi-State bodies can make certain changes only after reporting to the Minister, getting his permission in conjunction with that of the Minister for Finance, is welcome. That is practical and establishes a clear reporting structure ultimately to Parliament. There will be absolute transparency in decision making. It is not possible for Members to be aware of decisions being taken even though they are agreed with various Ministers unless there is some system of notifying the House of those decisions. Whether it is a decision of the semi-State organisation to acquire a company, to be part of a joint venture or to borrow money, Members would not know about it and I would like the Minister to establish a procedure for notifying the House, perhaps by circular, so that when certain decisions are agreed and signed into law a document would be circulated to Members of both Houses to ensure they are fully au fait with the decision. This would be good for democracy and for the health of the semi-State sector. It would make transparent the semi-State sector, the Government Department, the Minister of the day and Parliament itself. If this information were made available to us, fewer silly articles would be written without factual information. Such a procedure would clarify the position for everyone and I ask the Minister and his officials to consider this proposal between now and Committee Stage. I hope to table an amendment which will be of assistance in this regard.

I welcome the provisions dealing with financial management and flexibility in the semi-State sector. However, there is already tremendous expertise in the areas of industry and finance in the public sector and it is important that we avail of this. Any in-house committee, subsidiary body or group representative of the Departments of Finance and Transport, Energy and Communications in a semi-State organisation should include at least one professional from the National Treasury Management Agency. If any organisation has made a major impact in dealing with the problems facing us in recent years and ensuring that we as a small nation can manage our mammoth national debt it is the National Treasury Management Agency. I would like this agency to be given a major role in the financial management, particularly the treasury side, of the semi-State sector. Many semi-State bodies, particularly the ESB, have tremendous treasury operations and it is important to duplicate these in other semi-State bodies so that there is consistency throughout that sector, the Department of Finance, the National Treasury Management Agency and ultimately the Central Bank.

I welcome the changes pertaining to Bord na Móna and the ESB. In fulfilling commitments given by its predecessor, the Government has generously wiped out Bord na Móna's huge debt. While this will obviously be added on to our already high national debt it is only correct that Bord na Móna should be allowed to operate in a new environment as this is the only way forward for it. I commend the chief executive, management, board and staff of Bord na Móna for the flexible way they have responded to the company's difficulties, some of which were inherited. They have managed their way out of these difficulties with the help of the Government and it is important that all future financial decisions are sustainable and positive from a commercial point of view.

The Bill proposes many changes in the structure of the ESB, one of our greatest semi-State companies. It has given great service and provides a resource which is utilised in all homes and factories. When one looks at its performance over the years one will see that it has been a leader in every facet of commercial management and corporate performance one could think of and has responded in a solid way to any opportunities presented to it. I accept that change is inevitable and commend the management, board, staff and unions, in co-operation with the Department, for planning a way forward which has proven satisfactory not only for that organisation but for Ireland as a whole. It is important to recognise that the ESB has the capacity to respond to and create economic opportunities in other areas. We cannot cut off an organisation with vast resources from the opportunities that exist, or curtail its further contribution to the economy of this nation.

I welcome the Bill and, through the Minister, I compliment the management and staff in the Department of Transport, Energy and Communications who were involved in its production. They are an excellent group of people, dealing with many semi-State companies and vital national resources. I wish them continued success in the years ahead.

I welcome this complex Bill and I have every confidence that it is in very safe hands with the Minister of State, Deputy Stagg.

I agree with the latter part of Deputy Treacy's contribution. As to the earlier part of it, I found it very hard to catch his drift. I do not know what its relevance was to this Bill. However, I can assure him that the Minister for Transport, Energy and Communications, Deputy Michael Lowry, is in extreme good health, that I look forward to his coming into the House to answer any question on any matter in which he was involved over the summer months, and that he has the support of many decent people in this country.

I am so pleased.

The policy over many years of leaving well enough alone and not rocking the boat led to many downfalls. It is time that policy was abandoned and every organisation under the control of the State examined, not to criticise it but to see how it is developing and make the people fully aware of what is happening. If people are travelling abroad on the pretext of representing their company to destinations which are of no relevance to the company, questions must be asked, and the taxpayer should know.

This Bill deals with three companies which are of great importance to this nation. They are the relatively new Bord Gáis Éireann, the ESB and Bord na Móna. The ESB would be the major player. I will deal with it first because it is particularly relevant in my constituency, although Bord Gáis Éireann is penetrating and expanding its network which is to be welcomed. I agree with Deputy Treacy that the ESB is to be complimented on being a very professional organisation which has given marvellous service to this nation. No matter where a house was situated a source of supply was available to it. The ESB did not make the excuse that the house was too far from the main line. Lines were brought to the house and a supply was laid on. Rural electrification opened up rural Ireland to everybody. Every home could have a supply equal to that in the town or city. The ESB achieved that without major cost to anybody.

Now that that development is in place and rural Ireland is becoming more populated the question of cost has arisen, and that is only right and proper. The supply comes at a cost and we must be competitive and look at new developments. I understand the Minister of State, Deputy Stagg, will visit my county tomorrow for Energy Awareness Week, to address a seminar. He might see on the horizon the wind turbines built by a private concern, the Sean Quinn group. I understand that the group intends to supply the network in Northern Ireland and buy back from them. This is a major developing company in the northeast and north-west of the country with many different developments, all of them successful. If this company can produce energy from a wind farm, other companies might benefit from having a similar licence to generate energy and sell it on to the ESB or supply it, in competition with the ESB, to major industries. Competition can only sharpen everybody's edge and give better value to the customer.

Regarding the North-South interconnector, living in a Border region I am aware that now peace and harmony are prevailing there is tremendous goodwill for ongoing co-operation North and South. It is an area we should consider and one on which we could work together. As a small nation, we are minor players in an international market, but if we join with the North in purchasing our needs we could secure a more competitive price in the international market. We should consider that option and it is one in which people would be extremely interested.

I am very interested in a problem concerning the ESB generating station at Ballyshannon. There have been ongoing problems regarding drainage from the river Erne and water levels. Drainage of the river Erne in low-lying lands of Cavan and Monaghan is affected by that generating station and the water level of its sluicegates at Ballyshannon. The ESB has been reluctant to lower the water level of the sluicegates and run off excess water during the winter months. If those sluicegates can operate in the summer months with a lower water level than in the winter months without complaint, why must a high water level be maintained during the winter months? There was no difficulty with the operation of the sluicegates at Ballyshannon this summer when there was an extremely low water level. Surely a low water level, which would benefit farmers and land owners in the Cavan and Fermanagh region of the Erne catchment area, could be maintained all year round. I have raised this point on numerous occasions, but have received a poor response. It is an issue that should be seriously addressed because it would provide economic benefits for farmers and land owners in the region. Apart from that, I do not have any criticism to make of the ESB or its work. I have found its staff professional. Any complaints I, as a public representative, reported to it have been addressed immediately.

Regarding Bord Gáis, it has expanded greatly in the market. It has made major strides since 1976 and is a net contributor to our economy. Deputy Treacy mentioned a point that people have raised with me on a number of occasions regarding Bord Gáis's operation and that of the fertiliser company, NET. The Minister might clarify the cost at which gas is supplied to that company as against its competitors. There appears to be an anomaly in this area about which people are unhappy. There is talk about openness and transparency and taxpayers and consumers should have a clear picture of the energy costs borne by industries and home owners. Such clarification would enable people to draw comparisons and understand price variations. There are price differentials among major consumers, smaller enterprises and home owners, but the advantage gained by and reasons for price differential should be spelled out. People would welcome such clarification and be satisfied that everything was above board.

Regarding Bord na Móna, it is a long established organisation that has played a major role in energy supply. Its products are still very much in demand and it has a good deal of development work to pursue. There is tremendous potential for the development of our bogs as an energy source. The approach to their development must be reappraised. Much afforestation is taking place in boglands which could be more usefully developed as an energy source. There is still a great demand for turf among private householders and the ESB is a major player in that market, but there appears to be an ongoing policy of planting boglands that could be more usefully utilised. Afforestation development should be investigated as it could prove a worthwhile energy source. The type of forests being planted, evergreens, does not provide the most appropriate timber for heating and we should consider that in the context of afforestation development. Those are the two points I wanted to make — the development of a privately owned wind farm and the need to address why the levels in Ballyshannon cannot be adjusted from summer to winter.

The Minister of State said the Bill is largely about the natural gas interconnector with the UK. That covers a multitude, including the ESB and Bord Gáis Éireann. I am concerned at developments in the energy area as are many ESB employees. A favourite Government line, regardless of who is in Government, is that it is not the Government's job to create employment. However, of late some Ministers seem to think it is their job to do away with employment. This is particularly the case in the Department sponsoring this legislation as there are 2,000 jobs under threat in the ESB and 2,000 jobs under threat in Telecom Éireann. Jobs have already been lost in Aer Lingus with the threat of more losses and CIE is also being trimmed back. There seems to be a general squeeze on jobs in State and semi-State companies. As someone said to me a couple of weeks ago, if the Government feels that it is not its role to create employment, perhaps it should leave things alone and stop trying to create unemployment.

I realise there is a great deal of EU legislation, that matters could not continue as they were, that we are in a new competitive world and that the Department must face reality. Many semi-State employees also understand that and that changes have to be made. I have a slight interest here as I worked in a semi-State company for 25 years and I am in tune with their concerns and fears.

As Deputy Boylan said, the ESB has done a great deal of work since the 1920s. It has created employment and brought its services to homes and industries throughout the country. However, Bord Gáis Éireann seems to be moving in on the ESB now and seems to be the main player. Presumably, the interconnector will mean that the ESB's traditional means of generating electricity will not be as efficient as some of the more modern means, such as natural gas. I saw figures some months ago which indicated that electricity manufactured from natural gas is much more efficient and economical. Many ESB employees fear there will be a drift from the traditional means of generating electricity, due to this policy of allowing private firms to supply electricity to the national grid. The ESB will be left in a time warp manufacturing electricity with antiquated equipment and will not be able to compete with the more modern methods.

A few weeks ago a colleague who works in the ESB in Ringsend told me about the major changes there and the big cutback in staff numbers. He talked about a new turbine that had been introduced and how efficient it was in producing electricity from gas. However, while the union has gone along with this and has made the required savings, my colleague said the Government has now blocked phases 2 and 3 of the turbine. The men have seen the turbine and are now able to produce electricity in a more efficient way. They fear that in future they will be left making electricity in the old fashioned way and new private entrepreneurs will become involved and be given the natural gas whether it comes from Kinsale or Siberia. They fear that in time the ESB simply will not be able to compete because it will not be given the machinery to do so.

I understand the Government's policy of trying to talk to the unions and the board in the ESB to achieve cutbacks in staff numbers and improvements in efficiency and work practices in order to compete. However, the ESB cannot be tied to the extent that it will be sidelined and not given the opportunities to develop and compete with the private entrepreneur. My colleagues' fear is that not only will it try to compete with Kinsale but also it does not know who it will have to compete with in the future. In time, gas will not only come from the North but from the North Sea and even Siberia. My colleagues are very concerned about being sidelined and unable to compete.

In the ESB and other semi-State bodies there is a willingness to change but there is a great fear that morale will be reduced. People in semi-State bodies have given loyal service to the State. As they perceive it — and I am not saying that it is entirely true — the Government is squeezing them unfairly and they will not be allowed compete on a level playing field.

When I worked in CIE we believed an equivalent employee in the ESB, regardless of grade, was at the top of the market. ESB employees were not seen as a deprived workforce. They were probably in a privileged position. On the other hand, CIE was probably nearer the bottom of the pile. We looked on ESB workers as having the premier salaries and working conditions in the semi-State sector. Those workers understand that efficiencies have to be achieved but the realisation will have to be brought home to them slowly. We cannot be seen to throw a couple of thousand of those workers on the scrap heap and push them aside.

There appears to be a lack of trust between the ordinary employees in the ESB and the Minister. The Minister of State might not wish to talk about the Minister, Deputy Lowry, today because of his background and what has happened in the past few months. There is a fear that these private entrepreneurs will be allowed cream the market and provide electricity for the big multinational companies or parts of residential Dublin. I wonder who is going to supply the western seaboard in this new tomorrow. Will these private operators be let cherry-pick customers and supply electricity from the best source, natural gas, to the easy market, be it the big multinational companies or the residential areas, with the ESB sidelined and producing electricity by old-fashioned means and supplying to scattered parts of the country? That is not in accordance with EU regulations. It would be an abuse of them. The workers have to be reassured in that sense.

I could comment on worker morale. I am not aware of the state of morale in Bord Gáis Éireann. It seems to be an expanding company and, from what I know, the staff are quite happy. In the ESB and CIE, given the sort of verbal abuse that workers and, indeed, their management have taken over the past few months, these people are deeply offended and hurt. These workers are genuine. They have been doing their best. Profit and personal gain has not always been their main pursuit. Most of them are dedicated public servants, who are just trying to earn a week's wages. The way they feel they have been undermined in recent times has been a body blow to them. It has hurt to the core.

Other matters in the area of energy were in the news in recent times, including the amalgamation of some of the oil companies. I do not know if that is relevant to this debate. The amalgamation of some of these oil companies might lead to a monopoly. We have seen the problems of monopoly in the newspaper industry. I am sure the Minister will comment on the amalgamation of JET Petroleum Products and Statoil Ireland Ltd. at the conclusion of the debate, if it is relevant, and say whether it gives him concern or if his Department is looking at it, whether it has been reported to the monopolies commission or whether it has been given a clean bill of health. I would like to have heard the Minister's speech but I was attending a committee meeting. In reply to a parliamentary question which I tabled some time ago, the Minister spoke about the cost of electricity from various sources. Natural gas seems to be the way of the future.

I wish to express the great concern being felt by workers in the ESB, even though this legislation may not deal with all of the changes in the company. In the past the Minister and his party saw themselves as the champions of semi-State workers. Perhaps the burdens of office do not allow the Minister to express himself fully in that regard anymore. As somebody with a long record in a semi-State body, I wish to convey to the Minister that the workers are very concerned and feel lost. They feel that the Labour Party, to which they gave great support in 1992, is moving away from them and that its promises that privatisation would not take place now seem just a bag of smoke.

The outdoor advertising section of my own company, CIE, was put out to tender to be privatised. My impression is that, because this was a commercial decision of CIE, the Minister would not become involved, although soon afterwards he seemed to say the opposite in relation to other matters. If we made promises to semi-State employees that their jobs would not be privatised, these must be kept or the privatisation should take place slowly and after full negotiations. The employees should not be given deadlines or timetables and pressurised into making decisions. While it may be said that the ESB is not being privatised, in effect it will be if private companies with state of the art generating facilities become involved with it. There is deep concern among employees who feel the position the Minister and his party adopted on their behalf for a few years is now forgotten. Their morale is low and they feel nobody cares about them. They feel the company will be privatised and that the Minister for Transport, Energy and Communications, Deputy Lowry, will allow wealthy people to take it over and will give them modern machinery. The workers feel they will be squeezed out over a number of years by having to produce electricity by antiquated methods without the Department giving them the means and investment to compete with these people. They are looking for an even playing field and proper investment from the Department to allow them compete with best international practice.

I hope negotiations with the ESB will not be rushed and everyone's concerns will be heard. It is clear from newspaper articles in recent days that not only employees but also the board are unhappy. There is no point in the Department or the Minister trying to force something on the employees or the board which does not have their support and leaves their morale in shreds. I hope the Minister takes these concerns on board.

I thank Deputies for their contributions. Deputy Noel Treacy said he was surprised I was handling the Bill. He should not be surprised. I deal with many Bills as I am responsible for a very busy section in the Department. The major part of the Bill deals with Bord Gáis Éireann for which I am responsible. The rest of it deals with miscellaneous and tidying up matters.

Are some of the semi-State companies under the Minister of State's aegis and some under the aegis of the Minister and does the Minister have overall responsibility for all of them?

A number of them are under my aegis. This is a mark of the confidence placed in me by the Taoiseach, the Tánaiste, the Government and my senior Minister. The Minister, Deputy Lowry, told the House through the Taoiseach this morning——

Did he send a postcard?

——and directly as well that he will be addressing the House on the matter referred to in October, in a few weeks' time.

It is funny that he has had to wait until October.

A complex inquiry is continuing. I have no need to defend the Minister, who is well able to defend himself, and he will do so.

He may be on a diet of chestnuts and apples.

Some of the people across the floor of the House might hold their breath to cool their porridge because they might not like some of the news the Minister will have for them when the House reassembles.

I welcome any reference to myself.

Concerning the Bill itself, I am pleased to report a healthy level of exploration activity in our continental shelf area. This year alone, four wells were drilled and another company is preparing to drill a further well. The issuing of 11 exploration licences this year is a firm indication of the confidence that the exploration industry has in committing investment to Ireland. This leads me to expect that there will continue to be a satisfactory level of offshore exploration for the foreseeable future.

With this increased activity I am confident that it is only a matter of time before these exploration efforts will lead to a successful outcome. I want to acknowledge the role of Deputy Treacy in the area of oil exploration when he was Minister of State in my Department, granted with a much tighter remit than I am being given.

At present the Porcupine Basin is closed for applications for any type of authorisation. It will, of course, be open again in the future but not until all our options regarding the future of the basin have been examined. This is a basin with vast potential and I must be satisfied that, whatever course we take, future activity will lead to having the basin fully explored.

The major oil companies are now involved in exploring that area and in making huge investments they are putting their money where their mouths are. These are not just wild guesses, of course. They have an amount of information and knowledge available to them from the studies they have carried out. I consider that to be the best indication that there is something worth getting in that area.

These people do not throw money away. It is good money and I am very hopeful.

They have much more confidence in the Minister than they had in his leader when he was in the Department.

I can give the Deputy some history lessons as well if he likes.

I am pleased to be associated with positive developments geared towards opening up new horizons for the exploration industry. I am referring to the Rockall Trough. I have already referred to the plans I have put in place to obtain data in the area. The Rockall Trough is the largest of our basins extending about 100 to 650 kilometres from our west coast. It is in deep waters ranging down to in excess of 2,000 metres. The greater part of the trough has sparse seismic coverage and in May this year I announced that it was closed for licensing options or exploration licences at present. This move was to encourage geophysical contractors to acquire special data and for technical reports to be prepared. These measures will lead to greater exploration activity in the Rockall Trough and will facilitate the development of its hydrocarbon potential. I expect to be in a position to make a further announcement on the future licensing of the trough by May 1996.

A significant portion of the offshore area to the east and south of the country is currently subject to authorisations. This area is the easiest to explore, being in less than 200 metres of water. In some places the geology is complex but it is attractive because our commercial gas developments are located in the Celtic Sea and nearly every well has oil or gas shows. The basin has not been fully explored but many areas have been tested.

To deal with the specific point Deputy Treacy raised, we expect the Kinsale Head amalgamated finds in the area to supply our indigenous needs to the end of the century. In the meantime, as I said in my speech, we will be importing gas on an increasing level each year starting this October. Some small amounts have been imported already on a test basis, but we will be importing gas on an increasing level. That will also possibly stretch the use of our own indigenous resource and will continue to give us two sources. The interconnector is in place to do that.

A quarter of all our gas goes to NET and BGE gets 8 per cent of its income from that quarter. That tells its own tale. It does not give Irish farmers cheaper fertiliser, but a profit is made in between. I am concerned that such an amount of gas, which was required by contract and signed, sealed and delivered long before my time or Deputy Noel Treacy's time in the Department, must go to that source at that price. We are examining that to see how not only the future supply to NET but the current supplies can be considered with a view to the long term supply of gas to NET at reasonable prices.

There is extensive co-operation with Northern Ireland, particularly in the areas of energy efficiency and renewal and there is a joint approach on EU funding. There is significant co-operation on electricity and the interconnector has now been re-established. We are looking at further possibilities in that regard. We are also looking at the possibility of a gas connector between Dublin and Belfast. I thank the Deputy for his support in this regard.

The EU directives will have major implications for the ESB and BGE. We are working to ensure that they work to our national advantage, which is the object of the exercise. Much work has been done to meet the likely outcome of the electricity directive, particularly in the planned restructuring of the ESB. My proposals in relation to gas are in line with the EU proposals, but I assure the House that the Irish gas consumer and BGE will be the beneficiaries of any new directive.

Deputy Noel Ahern dealt with matters outside the scope of the Bill. However, what he said should not go unanswered. He poured scorn on the ESB, in particular, which it does not deserve. The workers, management and board of the ESB are not as pessimistic or downhearted as he suggested. I am confident that the ESB, through its management, unions and the cost and competitiveness review which we hope will be successful, is capable of dealing with and beating any competition which comes its way. The new structures will facilitate the ESB in taking on and beating the new challenges. I do not envisage a situation where the ESB would be left with a few outdated turf burners in the midlands, while whiz kids would produce electricity for the country. I reject the Deputy's pessimistic remarks. I thank the Deputies for their contributions to and support for the Bill.

Question put and agreed to.

In accordance with the Order of the House of 7 July 1995, the Bill is referred to the Select Committee on Enterprise and Economic Strategy, pursuant to Order 94.1 of the Standing Orders relative to Public Business and paragraph 1 (3) of the orders of reference of that committee.

Could you indicate when that might be? Both the Minister and I would like to know.

That is a matter for the select committee at this stage. That date is normally fixed if Committee Stage is being taken in the House.

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