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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 25 Jul 1996

Vol. 468 No. 4

Adjournment Debate. - Sports Facilities.

I appreciate the opportunity to raise the matter of the provision of sports facilities which, by coincidence, happens to be in the news. Successive Governments have made positive suggestions and proposals about the provision of sports facilities but, unfortunately, these noble ideas have not come to fruition. The tremendous success of Michelle Smith in the Olympic Games further highlights the need for such facilities. The necessary decisions should have been taken many years ago.

When the national lottery was set up it was intended that some of the funds raised would be used to finance the provision of sports facilities. Unfortunately, due to financial considerations the required percentage has not been available. It is time to make decisions.

It defies logic that the Minister of State with responsibility for sport, who understandably wants to be associated with the tremendous success of our international sports people, was not in a position to accept the International Sports Council's hall of fame proposal. That proposal, which was assessed financially by KPMG, gave a commitment to the Minister of State as to the ongoing concerns regarding running costs.

Why is the Minister of State not here? The Adjournment debates have become a little farcical. Ministers come in here with a prepared three or four page Civil Service script——

They never speak naturally.

——and put the formal position on the record while thanking the Deputy concerned for raising the matter. They ignore the points raised and just read out two or three pages of Civil Service waffle.

I remember all that from when I was on that side of the House.

I never spoke from a script.

Not the Deputy.

It is unbecoming that Deputy Durkan is sent in here to try to bat from an impossible position.

He is dealing with unemployment, sport and remedial education.

Regardless of the issue, he is given three replies and told to come in here, waffle for five minutes and the Adjournment debate will be out of the way. Five or six sites were proposed and the then Minister of State with responsibility for sport, Deputy Aylward, set about endeavouring to provide a swimming facility which is so urgently needed. Five or six interests are prepared to provide a site including Tallaght, south Dublin council, UCD, Dublin City University, Quarryvale at the junction of the M50. These are all potential sites for the provision of a facility which is so badly needed.

Why can the Minister, with his financial ingenuity, not commit the national lottery on a financial bond issue over two or three decades to provide funding for these facilities? No one generation should have to bear the financial burden of a facility which will probably have a life span of 30 years, possibly 50 years with some renovations. Surely this Government can commit the national lottery over a 20 to 30 year period to provide the finance to allow a project like this to get under way.

Yesterday, the British Prime Minister announced what the British Government proposed to do in the United Kingdom and the Six Counties. A facility could be provided in Dundalk or Newry on a co-operative basis to serve the whole island. When the Irish team returned in the aftermath of the World Cup, we were going to endeavour to provide a national soccer stadium facility. They are still a poor relation tenant in Lansdowne Road. The IRFU facility in Lansdowne Road no longer meets the international seating and safety requirements.

With the national finances in healthy order, the Government should be in a position to make the necessary long-term commitments this type of project requires. It should get priority and work should commence. It behoves this House to endeavour to support projects like this, which are far above party politics, regardless of which parties are in Government or Opposition. The discussion has gone on for too long.

The national lottery has been a huge financial success. For various reasons consecutive Governments had to plunge that money into day to day spending but long-term commitment could be given to finance these projects. The success of the Olympic team, particularly in swimming where they have won three gold medals, is an indication of the talent within our sporting community. People like Michelle Smith, Gary O'Toole and Eamonn Coughlan will always go abroad to where there are scholarships and international competitions. However, potential international stars at home need such a facility. People will then go abroad to exploit fully the potential of their talents.

It is time to provide such a facility. There is much talk about drugs, health and young people and this could be a commitment to do something positive and provide facilities nationally for our young people.

I am not sure whether I should thank Deputies for raising these issues.

I congratulate Michelle Smith on her tremendous success and the manner in which she has represented the Irish people.

And the boxer.

If the Deputy opposite, who has finished her business in the House, would listen for a minute she might learn something. My congratulations extend to all the participants in the Olympics.

How dare you?

That participation has been exemplary. They have carried the national flag in a manner of which we can all be proud.

I have not finished my business; I am entitled to be in the House.

A feasibility study was commissioned by the Department——

Being a Minister of State went to the Deputy's head very quickly.

——to examine all the options for the provision of a national 50 metre swimming pool complex to cater for the training needs of Irish swimmers and for national and international competitions in addition to serving as a community facility.

We know all that.

This feasability study was carried out by a leading firm of consultants with wide experience of 50 metre pool complexes. The study, with a number of other proposals, is being scrutinised and assessed in the Department at the moment. In addition a special working group established by the Minister of State is preparing a national strategy for sport in Ireland. This group, chaired by John Treacy, began its work last November.

Among the various issues being considered by the group is the provision of and the need for all types of sports facilities, including the 50 metre pool. The group will finalise its report later this year.

Where is the Minister of State with responsibility for sport?

Unfortunately, as on many occasions in the past the Minister of State——

Is he on a plane back to Atlanta?

——is otherwise engaged and cannot be here.

Let us hear the Minister's response.

I raised more issues on the Adjournment than any Member opposite and I repeatedly had to do the same thing as they are doing now. I repeatedly saw Ministers on this side who had to read scripts.

I did not.

I beg to differ.

The Minister of State should be able to tell us something more decisive. His script reads: "As the Deputy knows, the provision of a 50 metre swimming pool——"

Let us hear the reply.

I will reply, but quite frankly and honestly——

It says that it is a very costly undertaking. Tell us something we do not know.

——I am a little tired of the old tripe to which I have listened for the past five minutes from people who should know better.

The script goes on: "A project of this scale requires very careful consideration because of the implication for the——"

I will not proceed with this any longer. In deference to Deputy de Valera, who should be given the opportunity to make her contribution, I will suspend the proceedings. It is most disorderly.

It is deplorable.

The Deputy should not continue to disregard the Chair.

When one hears waffle, one has to say something.

As the Deputy knows——

This is pure and utter tripe.

The Minister please, without further interruption. This is disgraceful.

The script goes on: "These then are among the major questions that have to be considered in relation to such a project."

I wish to have an opportunity to reply.

Sit down if that is all you have to say.

Deputy Lawlor should not speak——

The excessive bad manners of the Deputy to the Leas-Cheann Comhairle are to be deplored.

I beg your pardon Minister.

If that is all he has to put on the record he should sit down now.

I ask the Deputy to desist now or to leave the House. It is totally disorderly.

It is practical common sense.

I ask the Deputy to desist forthwith. It is total disregard of the Chair. The Minister to conclude.

Do not let him waste his time. Go on to the next item.

As the Deputy knows, the provision of a 50 metre swimming pool is a very costly undertaking, not just in terms of the initial capital costs, but also in the amount of money required each year to meet its running costs.

Shock horror.

A project of this scale requires very careful consideration because of the implications for Exchequer funding of the overall capital and operating costs involved.

They are making a fool of the Minister of State sending him in here with this.

Other considerations to be taken into account include the need to bring existing pools in the country up to a modern standard; the demand for pools in areas not served at present and the overwhelming demand from many other sport and community groups throughout the country for facilities.

These are among the major questions that have to be considered in relation to such a project. As I said, all the implications are being examined in considerable detail and a decision will be made as a result of the reviews being undertaken in the Department of Education.

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