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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 10 Oct 1996

Vol. 469 No. 7

Adjournment Debates. - Garda-Community Relations.

I requested this Adjournment debate on the need to re-establish good Garda-community relations in Dublin's inner city to combat the drugs problem in order to highlight and bring to the attention of the Minister for Justice the seriousness of the position in this area and the level of frustration of the local community as it witnesses drug dealing openly conducted in streets and neighbourhoods at all hours of the day and night. The open dealing in drugs and the Garda's seeming inability to stop it has led to frustration in the community. This is compounded when they see local anti-drug groups being targeted by the Garda. There is a belief, no matter how ill-informed, that the Garda is more preoccupied with controlling the activities of anti-drug groups than tackling the drugs problem.

Last week I met local people who were peacefully patrolling their estate off Cork Street. A woman told me that earlier she had reported to two gardaí in a van parked across the street that two young girls were dealing in drugs at that moment. She said that the gardaí politely thanked her and said they would deal with the matter, but they sat there and did nothing about it. A few minutes later they drove off while the two women completed their dealing and left. Incidents such as those create a sense of helplessness in communities where people want to co-operate with the gardaí. The frustration of the local community is shared by the gardaí on the beat.

There is a need to direct greater resources and Garda manpower to these areas to show people that as a society we are concerned about these matters. We should have the political will to take whatever action is necessary. I have advocated on a number of occasions a zero tolerance attitude towards crime, be it drugs or illegal cigarette dealing. We must send out a clear signal that as a society we will not tolerate breaches of our laws. To permit illegal drug dealing on our streets without the maximum level of Garda action sends out the wrong signals. Recently I spoke to a retired member of the Garda who witnessed people in Henry Street and other areas selling cigarettes, most of which are illegally imported.

I welcome the recent setting up of the operation, Dóchas, as a first step, but it must be that. Despite the possibility of renewed terrorist activity and the need to direct extra Garda manpower back to the Border, the extra 500 gardaí in the inner city must remain there on a long-term basis. This must be augmented by more community policing in conjunction with the local people.

In reply to my written question the Minister yesterday informed me that, in effect there are now fewer gardaí on the beat than there were 11 years ago. In real terms over the past 11 years we have recruited 79 fewer gardaí annually than have either resigned, retired or otherwise left the force. If the Minister examines those figures she will see that they are correct. I invite the Minister to accompany me, and other local Deputies, on a tour of parts of the inner city without prior notice. She will see for herself the low level of visible Garda presence and will hear the frustration of local people who see their offsprings' childhoods being taken away from them on the streets and corridors of their own neighbourhoods.

I appeal to the Minister to maintain the current Garda presence and not to return them to Border duty. If we have to we should get them from somewhere else, but I want to see a growing confidence among people in the Garda. They want to co-operate with them.

At meetings I attended I heard people say that they will not take part in illegal demonstrations. They do not want anything illegal to be done. They want to work within the law, but the Garda must be given back-up resources to deal with these people. It is almost too late at this stage. We have a big job on our hands to restore people's confidence in the Garda. They want to have that confidence restored.

I listened with great interest and concern to Deputy Briscoe. I assure him that for my part, as Minister for Justice, tackling the drugs problem is an absolute priority. I am well aware of Deputy Briscoe's long standing concerns expressed in the House, both when his party was in Government and now when it is in Opposition. I know he is not highlighting this issue because he thinks it only began in the past day or two, or during my period in office. I would not belittle what Deputy Briscoe said because I know he is an advocate of community activity and the necessary response from the State. I am aware of the dangers of drug abuse and drug trading and the damage they are doing to inner city communities. I am also aware of the pain being suffered by families as a result of drug abuse by individual family members. I am determined to tackle the scourge of drug use and drug trafficking.

I have taken a number of important steps to improve the response of the State agencies in dealing with the problem. I will pass on to the Garda Commissioner Deputy Briscoe's comments about the reaction of people to the effectiveness of the Garda in their areas. I assure the Deputy that the Garda are tackling the problem. He referred to Operation Dóchas and Members will be aware that the Garda has reviewed its operations in relation to combating the drugs problem, particularly in Dublin's inner city areas.

Last week the Garda Commissioner announced the commencement of Operation Dóchas. The new strategy will operate in all Dublin districts and will involve the deployment of in excess of 500 uniformed and plain clothes gardaí. The uniformed gardaí will adopt a high profile through both foot and mobile patrols. They will work to forge greater links with the community — which is what Deputy Briscoe is calling for — and with community leaders and families with problems. Back-up will be provided by specialist mobile and other units.

Deputy Briscoe mentioned the need for more community police and this is essentially a force of community police which will be available to go into such areas. Deputy Briscoe will be glad to know that the 165 gardaí transferred earlier this year to the Border counties are returning to Dublin this week. Some of them have arrived and the remainder will return this weekend. All of them will be deployed in Dublin and to the best of my knowledge, unless something unforeseen happens they will not be factored into the continuing patrols in the Border area for protection against BSE.

In this operation gardaí will seek the support of the community and will distribute leaflets to households asking people to give information to their local Garda stations or via a confidential freephone number. The aim is to create a situation where local people can see that the Garda are enforcing the law and helping the community to overcome their difficulties with drug abuse. I have discussed the new strategy with the Garda Commissioner and I am confident that with the support of the community the force will tackle drugs related crime. In particular, it will target the street trading the Deputy referred to, and will significantly improve the quality of life in areas where drug dealing is prevalent. The Garda Commissioner has informed me that the strategy will be kept under review for an initial period of three months and that any changes necessary will be made to ensure its success. We obviously want to see how it is working and if adaptations have to be made to the system they will be.

The Garda authorities have also informed me that they are involved with a number of local anti-drug groups and experience a high level of co-operation from local people. They acknowledge that this level of co-operation is not forthcoming from all groups. The precise objectives of a small number of indivuduals in certain groups is not clear. Gardaí have been excluded from some public meetings and one wonders why. It is important to note that local community action may be based on local information which may fall short of the standards of proof required to satisfy the law and the courts. The Garda point out that there have been a number of recent successful operations against drug dealers and pushers, that such operations may be covert and for that reason are not always obvious to the communities. Offenders are now appearing before the courts as a result of those operations.

As the Deputy is aware, I introduced a number of significant measures on the broader front of national policy to combat the drugs problem. I outlined these many times. The recent establishment of the Criminal Assets Bureau is having a great effect on drug traffickers and organised criminals. There is a need for greater co-operation and the recruitment of more civilians to the Garda as well as increasing the numbers of recruits going into training. Additional judges have been appointed, there are extra court sittings and additional staff have been appointed to the forensic laboratories. Tough new legislation, such as the drug trafficking Act and the Proceeds of Crime Act, is attacking the type of crimes that Deputy Briscoe has so often referred to during his long service in the House. I am glad that I, as Minister for Justice, have overseen the introduction of a number of these new measures.

I thank the Minister. If the gardaí take out the small dealers they will be doing harm to the big dealer.

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