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Wednesday, 30 Oct 1996

Vol. 470 No. 7

Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill, 1996: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stages.

Debate resumed on amendment No. 1:
In page 3, line 21, after "PRISONS," to insert "AND TO CREATE A CRIMINAL OFFENCE OF SUPPLY OF CONTROLLED DRUGS FOR SUBSTANTIAL MONETARY REWARD".
—(Deputy O'Donoghue).
Amendment put.
The Dáil divided: Tá, 57; Níl, 64.

  • Ahern, Bertie.
  • Ahern, Dermot.
  • Ahern, Michael.
  • Ahern, Noel.
  • Aylward, Liam.
  • Brennan, Matt.
  • Brennan, Séamus.
  • Browne, John (Wexford).
  • Ellis, John.
  • Flood, Chris.
  • Fox, Mildred.
  • Geoghegan-Quinn, Máire.
  • Gregory, Tony.
  • Harney, Mary.
  • Haughey, Seán.
  • Hughes, Séamus.
  • Jacob, Joe.
  • Keaveney, Cecilia.
  • Kenneally, Brendan.
  • Keogh, Helen.
  • Kirk, Séamus.
  • Lawlor, Liam.
  • Lenihan, Brian.
  • Leonard, Jimmy.
  • Martin, Micheál.
  • McCreevy, Charlie.
  • Burke, Raphael P.
  • Byrne, Hugh.
  • Callely, Ivor.
  • Clohessy, Peadar.
  • Coughlan, Mary.
  • Cowen, Brian.
  • Cullen, Martin.
  • Davern, Noel.
  • Dempsey, Noel.
  • Moffatt, Tom.
  • Molloy, Robert.
  • Morley, P.J.
  • Moynihan, Donal.
  • Nolan, M. J.
  • Ó Cuív, Éamon.
  • O'Donnell, Liz.
  • O'Donoghue, John.
  • O'Keeffe, Ned.
  • O'Leary, John.
  • O'Malley, Desmond J.
  • O'Rourke, Mary.
  • Power, Seán.
  • Quill, Máirín.
  • Ryan, Eoin.
  • Smith, Brendan.
  • Smith, Michael.
  • Wallace, Dan.
  • Wallace, Mary.
  • Walsh, Joe.
  • Woods, Michael.

Níl

  • Ahearn, Theresa.
  • Barrett, Seán.
  • Barry, Peter.
  • Bhamjee, Moosajee.
  • Boylan, Andrew.
  • Bradford, Paul.
  • Bhreathnach, Niamh.
  • Broughan, Tommy.
  • Browne, John (Carlow-Kilkenny).
  • Bruton, John.
  • Bruton, Richard.
  • Burke, Liam.
  • Burton, Joan.
  • Byrne, Eric.
  • Carey, Donal.
  • Connaughton, Paul.
  • Connor, John.
  • Costello, Joe.
  • Crawford, Seymour.
  • Currie, Austin.
  • Deasy, Austin.
  • Deenihan, Jimmy.
  • De Rossa, Proinsias.
  • Doyle, Avril.
  • Dukes, Alan M.
  • Durkan, Bernard J.
  • Ferris, Michael.
  • Fitzgerald, Brian.
  • Fitzgerald, Eithne.
  • Fitzgerald, Frances.
  • Flanagan, Charles.
  • Gallagher, Pat.
  • Gilmore, Eamon.
  • Hogan, Philip.
  • Howlin, Brendan.
  • Kavanagh, Liam.
  • Kenny, Enda.
  • Kenny, Seán.
  • Lynch, Kathleen.
  • McCormack, Pádraic.
  • McDowell, Derek.
  • McGahon, Brendan.
  • McGinley, Dinny.
  • McGrath, Paul.
  • McManus, Liz.
  • Mitchell, Gay.
  • Moynihan-Cronin, Breeda.
  • Mulvihill, John.
  • Noonan, Michael (Limerick East).
  • O'Keeffe, Jim.
  • O'Shea, Brian.
  • O'Sullivan, Toddy.
  • Owen, Nora.
  • Pattison, Séamus.
  • Quinn, Ruairí.
  • Rabbitte, Pat.
  • Ring, Michael.
  • Ryan, John.
  • Ryan, Seán.
  • Sheehan, P.J.
  • Shortall, Róisín.
  • Stagg, Emmet.
  • Taylor, Mervyn.
  • Timmins, Godfrey.
Tellers: Tá, Deputies D. Ahern and Callely; Níl, Deputies Durkan and B. Fitzgerald.
Amendment declared lost.

I move amendment No. 2:

In page 4. to delete lines 1 to 22 and substitute the following:

"2.—The Criminal Justice Act, 1984, is hereby amended, in section 4—

(a) by the insertion in subsection (2), after `without warrant', of `or pursuant to an authority of a Judge of the District Court under section 10 (1)',

(b) by the substitution of the following subsections for subsection (5):

`(5) If at any time during the detention of a person pursuant to this section there are no longer reasonable grounds for believing that his detention is necessary for the proper investigation of the offence to which the detention relates, he shall, subject to subsection (6), be released from custody forthwith unless he is charged or caused to be charged with an offence and is brought before a court as soon as may be in connection with such charge or his detention is authorised apart from this Act.

`(6) If at any time during the detention of a person pursuant to this section a member of the Garda Síochána, with reasonable cause, suspects that person of having committed an offence to which this section applies, other than an offence to which the detention relates, and the member of the Garda Síochána then in charge of the Garda Síochána station has reasonable grounds for believing that the continued detention of that person is necessary for the proper investigation of that other offence, the person may continue to be detained in relation to the other offence as if that offence was the offence for which the person was originally detained.',

(c) by the insertion, after subsection (8), of the following subsection:

`(8A) Where a person detained pursuant to subsection (2) is taken to a court in connection with an application relating to the lawfulness of his detention, the time during which he is absent from the station for that purpose shall be excluded in reckoning a period of detention permitted by this section.', and

(d) by the substitution, in subsection (9), of `subsection (6), (8) or (8A)' for, `subsection (6) or (8)'.".

This amendment relates only to paragraphs (a), (c) and (d) of the new section 2; paragraph (b) is already part of the Bill. It arises from recent court decisions in regard to periods of detention under section 4 of the Criminal Justice Act, 1984. I indicated on Committee Stage that my Department was reviewing the provisions of section 4 of that Act and that I intended to introduce an amendment on Report Stage on this matter. Deputy O'Donnell tabled a similar amendment on Committee Stage and graciously withdrew it to give me an opportunity to consider the best form of amendment to the Bill.

Section 4 (3) of the 1984 Act provides for detention periods of six hours from the time of arrest and a further period not exceeding six hours if a garda not below the rank of superintendent has reasonable grounds for believing that such further detention is necessary. Subsection (6) provides for the suspension of the reckonable detention period for rest and subsection (8) provides for the suspension of the reckonable detention period for medical attention.

The effect of my amendment is that where a person being detained under section 4 attends court to challenge the lawfulness of the detention, the time during which that person is absent from the station shall be excluded in reckoning a period of detention permitted by this section. Paragraph (c) of the amendment is the key provision in this regard and paragraph (d) is consequential. This new exclusion from the reckoning of detention periods will also apply where a person is detained following rearrest under section 10 of the 1984 Act, as do the provisions of subsections (6) and (8) of section 4, which relate respectively to rest periods and medical attention. The purpose of paragraph (a) is to make this explicit. I am satisfied this amendment is reasonable and necessary so that the effectiveness of the provisions of sections 4 and 10 of the 1984 Act is not diminished.

I thank Deputy O'Donnell for raising this matter on Committee Stage, thereby giving me an opportunity to rectify what turned out to be a lacuna in the law as it arose in a case recently before the courts. I trust the amendment will be accepted by the House.

I thank the Minister for bringing forward this amendment which arose from a loophole recently exposed in the investigation of a murder. It is appropriate that this loophole be speedily addressed and this is the opportunity to do so. I thank the Minister for taking on board the comments I made in this regard on Committee Stage.

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 3:

In page 4, line 37, to delete "District Area" and substitute "District Court Area".

Amendment agreed to.

Recommittal is necessary in respect of amendment No. 4 as it does not arise from Committee proceedings.

Bill recommitted in respect of amendment No. 4.

I move amendment No. 4:

In page 11, between lines 43 and 44, to insert the following:

"13.—Section 8 of the Criminal Law Act, 1976, is hereby amended by the insertion in subsection (1), after paragraph (j), of the following paragraph:

`(k) an offence under section 112 (2) of the Road Traffic Act, 1961 (substituted by section 3(7) of the Road Traffic (Amendment) Act, 1984).'.".

This amendment amends the Criminal Law Act, 1976. Section 8 of that Act allows a member of the Garda to use reasonable force to compel a person to comply with a requirement to stop a vehicle, including the placing of a barrier or other device in the path of a vehicle. That power relates to a number of offences specified in section 8 of that Act. The power does not extend to the offence under section 112 of the Road Traffic Act, 1961, of unlawfully taking a vehicle.

The Garda authorities have been concerned for some time about motor vehicles being taken without the consent of their owners and used in the commission of crime. They have been considering means to reduce the amount of damage caused by drivers of these vehicles and they are satisfied from tests they have carried out that a tyre deflating device known as "stinger" which is in use in other EU countries will prove to be an effective means of addressing the problem. The use of the stinger in these circumstances is permitted by section 8 of the Criminal Law Act, 1976.

The effect of the amendment will be to allow the Garda to also use this new device to stop vehicles unlawfully taken by so-called joyriders. The stinger will be used by trained gardaí under very strict supervision under Garda guidelines. I am very anxious this amendment is passed so I can be absolutely sure when these devices are in use that there is no risk to the legality of their use. They are safer than any device previously considered to prevent cars being taken and used, mostly in a very dangerous fashion, not only in the commission of crime but in such a way as to cause potential danger to other road users, including pedestrians. Sadly there have been many incidents of accidents involving stolen cars and to ensure full legality in the use of these devices I hope the amendment will be accepted.

I welcome this amendment. Anything which assists in the fight against those who steal cars in this city and elsewhere is to be very much welcomed. This provision will assist in that regard and I support it.

Amendment agreed to.
Amendment reported.

I move amendment No. 5:

In page 14, line 17, to delete "Prison" and substitute "Prisons".

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 6:

In page 14, line 30, to delete "1856" and substitute "1826".

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 7:

In page 14, between lines 39 and 40, to insert the following:

"(7) Rules made under this section shall be laid before each House of the Oireachtas as soon as may be after they are made, and if a resolution annulling the rules is passed by either such House within the next 21 days on which that House has sat after the rules are laid before it, the rules shall be annulled accordingly, but without prejudice to the validity of anything previously done thereunder.".

Deputies will recall that when we discussed the issue of prison rules in Committee a number of matters were raised that were perhaps ancillary to the Bill but a valid point was raised about the role of the Oireachtas in terms of prison rules. This amendment is a standard provision which will require that prison rules made under section 17 be laid before both Houses of the Oireachtas. I am happy to make this amendment which is in line with the standard form of laying regulations before the Houses of the Oireachtas.

Apart from the formal laying of prison rules before the Dáil and Seanad, I intend to give effect to the commitment in the programme for Government that the proposed new prison rules shall be referred to the Select Committee on Legislation and Security. Members will recall that Deputy Woods asked if it would be possible to make available these rules in the Houses of the Oireachtas and I am glad to meet his request in this amendment. I look forward to discussion of the draft new prison rules by the Select Committee on Legislation and Security so that I will have available to me the combined knowledge, expertise and wisdom of that committee before finalising the prison rules. I commend the amendment to the House.

Amendment agreed to.
Amendment No. 8 not moved.

I move amendment No. 9:

In page 16, between lines 18 and 19, to insert the following:

"22.—(1) Sections 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 and 17 of the Criminal Procedure Act, 1967 are hereby repealed.

(2) Where an accused person is before the District Court charged with an indictable offence the Judge shall, not later than the second appearance by the accused person before the court in respect of that charge, conduct an examination into whether the case is one which will be tried on indictment or by summary hearing.

(3) If, on the conclusion of the examination, the Judge is satisfied that the case must be heard on indictment (by reason of the election of the accused or the prosecutor in accordance with law or by reason of a finding that the offence is not a minor offence fit to be tried summarily) he shall forthwith send the accused person forward to the appropriate court for trial.

(4) A case which has been sent forward to the appropriate court for trial pursuant to, subsection (3) of this section shall be listed for mention before the court of trial not later than 14 days from the date of the District Court order returning the accused person for trial.

(5) On the date upon which the case is first listed for mention before the court of trial, or on a subsequent date not later than 28 days from the date on which the case was first listed for mention before the court of trial, the prosecutor shall cause the documents specified in section 6 of this Act to be served on the accused.

(6) The prosecutor shall cause the following documents to be served on the accused—

(a) a statement of the charges against him,

(b) a copy of any sworn information in writing upon which the proceedings were initiated,

(c) a list of witnesses whom it is proposed to call at the trial,

(d) a statement of the evidence that is to be given by each of them,

(e) a list of exhibits (if any).

(7) Copies of the documents shall also be furnished to the Court.

(8) The accused shall have the right to inspect all exhibits.

(9) A prosecutor may cause to be served on the accused and furnished to the Court, not later than 7 days before the date for trial, or if after 7 days before the trial not without the leave of the Court granted after hearing an application by the prosecutor grounded on affidavit setting out the reason why the evidence was not previously served, a further statement of the evidence to be given by any witness a statement of whose evidence has already been supplied.

(10) On the hearing of an application of the type mentioned in subsection (9) of this section, the Court shall not grant leave to serve the further statement of evidence unless it is satisfied that there is a good and substantial reason as to why the evidence could not have been served earlier and that the interest of justice requires that the evidence be allowed.

(11) Section 20 of the Criminal Justice Act, 1984 is hereby amended in subsection (3) by the substitution of the following for paragraphs (a), (b) and (c):

`by notice served by the prosecutor on the accused at the time of service of the documents required by section 15 (6) of the Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act, 1996.'.

(12) Section 20 of the Criminal Justice Act, 1984 is hereby amended by the substitution of the following subsection for subsection (6):

`(6) A notice under subsection (1) shall be given in writing to the solicitor for the prosecutor.'.

(13) Section 20 of the Criminal Justice Act, 1984 is hereby amended in subsection (8) by the substitution of the following for paragraphs (a), (b), (c) and (d) of the definition of `prescribed period':

`the period of 14 days from the service of the documents required by section 15 (6) of the Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act, 1996 on the accused person.'.

(14) (a) A trial of any offence specified in the Table to this section shall commence not later than 90 days from the date of the accused person's first appearance before the District Court unless a Judge of the High Court grants an extension of that period on the hearing of an application by either the prosecutor or the accused.

(b) On the hearing of any application for an extension of the time within which a trial must commence the High Court Judge shall not grant an extension unless he is satisfied by evidence presented on affidavit, or orally if directed by the Judge, that there is a good and substantial reason as to why the extension should be granted and that the interests of justice require that such an extension be granted.

(c) No extension granted on the hearing of an application under paragraph (b) of this section shall be for a period greater than 30 days.

(d) Either the prosecutor or the accused may make more than one application under paragraph (b) of this section.

(15) Either the prosecutor or the accused may, in respect of any case which has been returned for trial to a Circuit Criminal Court, apply to the High Court for an order directing the transfer of that trial from the Circuit Criminal Court to the Central Criminal Court.

(16) At the hearing of an application made under subsection (15) of this section the High Court shall not make an order transferring the case for trial unless it is satisfied that, by reason of the seriousness and complexity of the charge or by reason of there being a substantial point of law of public importance involved in the case, the interests of justice require that the trial be held before the Central Criminal Court.

TABLE

OFFENCES TO WHICH SECTION 22(14) RELATES

1. Rape

2. Rape contrary to section 4 of the Criminal Law (Rape) (Amendment) Act, 1990.

3. Aggravated sexual assault contrary to section 3 of the Criminal Law (Rape) (Amendment) Act, 1990.

4. Robbery contrary to section 23 of the Larceny Act, 1916 as inserted by section 5 of the Criminal Law (Jurisdiction) Act, 1976.

5. Possession of a controlled drug for the purposes of sale or supply contrary to section 15 of the Misuse of Drugs Acts, 1977 and 1984.".

The purpose of this amendment is to amend criminal procedure to provide that in future there would no longer be preliminary examinations. To this extent, the relevant provisions of the Criminal Procedure Act, 1967, would be repealed.

There is unanimity among those who are for and against the bail referendum that there is a need for speedier criminal trials and that, in general terms, the best way of going about this would be to abolish the concept of preliminary examinations which are cumbersome. They lead to individuals literally snaking through the criminal justice system before finally reaching the court of trial and are expensive.

It is difficult to believe, as we approach the end of the 20th century, that an accused person is entitled to insist at a preliminary examination that all the evidence is taken down in longhand by the District Court clerk. This procedure is not appropriate to a modern criminal justice system and the time has come for change.

This is set out in the amendment which provides that "where an accused person is before the District Court charged with an indictable offence the judge shall, not later than the second appearance by the accused person before the court in respect of that charge, conduct an examination into whether the case is one which will be tried on indictment or by summary hearing". Having satisfied himself that the case should be heard on indictment the judge would be obliged to return the individual for trial. At present the judge must be satisfied that everything contained in the Book of Evidence would, if accepted by the jury, entitle it to convict the individual of the offences as charged. He is then obliged to return the individual for trial.

The usefulness of the preliminary examination system is best decided by looking at the statistics. In 1995 the preliminary examination procedure was followed in the Dublin Metropolitan District Court in 673 cases, of which only seven were discharged at the preliminary examination stage. On these figures nobody could make a credible argument for retention of the system. The Minister for Justice stated that she had referred the matter to a committee which was to meet again on 18 October. I do not know what the result of its deliberations was but this system has to end.

In recent times a question was put to the Minister regarding the number of persons charged with offences under the Misuse of Drugs Acts, 1977 and 1984 in respect of whom orders of discharge were made by the Dublin Metropolitan District Court following the conduct of a preliminary examination. The Minister stated in reply that in 1995 no orders of discharge were made by that court following the conduct of a preliminary examination in cases involving persons charged with offences under the Misuse of Drugs Acts, 1977 and 1984.

It is clear that in only a minuscule number of cases a court discharges a case at preliminary examination stage. In virtually all cases where the preliminary examination procedure is invoked the District Courts are satisfied that there is a prima facie case. There is no cogent reason I can think of or which has been put forward since I initiated this debate on behalf of Fianna Fáil for retention of the system.

The preliminary examination system only serves to delay criminal trials; involves expense, which is sometimes considerable, to the State through the legal aid scheme and is often used by ruthless criminals to ensure that the day of reckoning — the day of sentence — is postponed. It appears that the people are not well served by this procedure. The victims of crime do not applaud it as being of any use to them. The question can be raised as to whether it serves the criminal justice system or criminals as we approach the end of the millennium. It is, to say the least, a nonsense.

There is an onus on the Government to act in this matter and to get rid of an arcane procedure which does nothing to edify the criminal justice system. Nobody would believe it is still permissible for an accused person to insist that depositions in the District Court are taken down in longhand. That is a nonsense and a joke and reflects badly on the system. Those who favour its retention do not serve the cause that they expect us to believe they espouse.

The public have become extremely cynical about delays in criminal trials. They are outraged that it can take so long for justice to be done in what are often extremely serious cases. There is considerable truth in the proposition that the reason we have never got around to changing our criminal procedure and speeding up trials is that we do not have sufficient prison places. For a considerable period I have advocated that this policy be reversed. If we are to have a modern, coherent criminal justice system, more than the change in our bail laws will be required. There is an urgent need to speed up criminal trials and to dispense with procedures which clearly belong to another age. This amendment does that. It abolishes the notion of preliminary examinations and provides for the service of documents on the accused person as befits a modern criminal justice system.

There are no faults of any real import with the amendment as drafted and in those circumstances I cannot think of any good reason it should not be accepted, but since the Minister has already indicated on Committee Stage that she will not be disposed to accepting the amendment at this stage, it behoves me to ask her the reason for that decision.

Whenever it comes to the reform of the criminal justice system, certainly over the past two years, the Trappist monks of the rainbow Coalition, the Tánaiste and the Minister for Social Welfare, appear to exercise a veto. On this occasion I do not believe that even these men of sackcloth and ashes could possibly object to an amendment which would bring our procedures into line with many other modern jurisdictions. No so-called civil libertarian principle can be advanced against the proposition put forward, unlike the bail referendum issue when so-called civil libertarian principles were put forward by the same two gentlemen against the concept of a referendum, which principles were scattered to the four winds this year for reasons best known to the two of them. The fact that there was ultimately a scramble to get on board the referendum shuttle is a matter——

Carlow-Kilkenny): The Deputy should speak to the amendment.

I do not know what this has to do with preliminary hearings.

——of irrelevance, but what is of considerable relevance is the fact that I am presenting the House with the opportunity of bringing our procedures into line with other modern jurisdictions. Hardened criminals will no longer have an excuse to deliberately delay their day in court. This amendment serves the cause of justice well.

Deputy O'Donoghue constantly amazes me because he always has a new metaphor to add to the debate. I commend him on his literary term. Today it is Trappist monks, next week he may leave the area of the Church and go on to something else.

I thank the Deputy once again for outlining to the House his views on preliminary examinations. On every occasion the Deputy has raised this issue I have told him I fully understand his points. We debated this matter at length on Committee Stage and in a debate on another Bill. We cannot simply abolish something with the stroke of a pen without careful consideration. I indicated on Committee Stage that I had asked the Committee on Court Practice and Procedure to carry out a review of the preliminary examination system. That committee was set up in the 1960s to continually examine the procedures as they exist in the courts. As Deputy O'Donoghue and other Deputies will be aware, the manner in which the courts do their business in this type of procedure is set down under court rules.

The Committee on Court Practice and Procedure considered the preliminary examination system as recently as the late 1980s and stated categorically that it should not be abolished. I again raised the issue with the committee earlier this year and asked it to examine the extent of the delay, if any, occasioned by the procedure and to consider whether the preliminary examination procedure should be abolished or replaced. I received an interim report from the committee which raised a number of questions to which I was not satisfied I had all the answers, and I asked it to consider further aspects of the procedure. I stated on Committee Stage that the committee was meeting on 18 October. I have not yet received a report from the committee arising from its 18 October meeting but when I do I will be in a position to decide the reforms, if any, that should be made to the preliminary examination procedure.

Deputy O'Donoghue may not be aware that there are lay members on that committee, including Senator McGennis who was appointed to it before she became a Member of the Seanad. The Deputy may wish to discuss this matter with her to see what progress has been made in regard to it.

Confidentiality rules may apply in regard to the discussion but the Deputy may want to take up the issue in a general way with his party colleague. The question was raised with me whether it was appropriate to have a Senator on the committee but I took the view that she should complete her term of office. I did not seek to remove her even though she had become a Member of the Oireachtas.

It would not be appropriate to introduce a preemptive strike here by way of this amendment and I ask Deputy O'Donoghue, under the circumstances, to allow me await the report from the committee. As soon as I have that I will bring forward whatever reforms are recommended or that I consider appropriate in the report. I am unable to accept the amendment.

It is important to mention the extent of the delay about which I am speaking. A person charged with an offence appears in court on the first occasion and is either remanded in custody or released on bail. On the second occasion the question of the location of the trial and the preparation of the Book of Evidence arises. The accused is then remanded for another four weeks to appear again when the Book of Evidence is supposed to be served. To the best of my knowledge the Book of Evidence is never ready within three to four weeks and the case is again adjourned for another two weeks so that the accused and his lawyer can contemplate it. The next court hearing is the preliminary examination stage and this is where the archaic nature of the system becomes all too apparent. The accused person is entitled to insist upon the attendance of all or any of the prosecution witnesses in the District Court so that they can give evidence on deposition. The accused person is entitled to insist that the depositions be taken down in writing. After all, the evidence and the depositions having been taken, one must consider that there is a delay in finding courts and the case is again remanded to a date when submissions must be made as to whether, under the terms of the Criminal Procedure Act, 1967, there is a sufficient case to answer.

In general, months are lost in this procedure at present and there is no cogent reason for it. I do not want to labour the point but I stress that the time has come to terminate this practice. It is a procedure which has outlived its usefulness and the age in which we live.

Amendment put and declared lost.

I move amendment No. 10:

In page 16, line 31, to delete "Enactments" and substitute "Enactment".

This is a drafting amendment and I trust the House will accept it.

Amendment agreed to.
Question, "That the Bill, as amended, be received for final consideration," put and agreed to.
Agreed to take Fifth Stage today.
Question proposed: "That the Bill do now pass."

I thank all the Deputies who participated in a very useful debate. A number of other issues which are not handled in this Bill arose in the debate because so many areas in the system require reform and adjustment. I am glad to have been able to bring this Bill through the House because, as I said at the outset, it started life many years ago. I think the then Minister's concept was that there would be a fairly regular miscellaneous Bill to bring forward required changes. Unfortunately, the Bill was stretched continually. I decided to call a halt and proceed with this Bill even though there are gaps and other matters which people would like to see provided for in it. In addition, I introduced a system in the Department of Justice where there would be an annual miscellaneous Bill such as this to begin to correct, modernise and deal with issues which Deputies O'Donoghue, O'Donnell, Woods and others raised in this debate.

I thank Members for accommodating this Bill and for agreeing to some of the immediate amendments which I had to introduce so that there would not be a delay, such as the one today, to allow the Garda to use "stinger" equipment to stop joy-riders who cause havoc, mayhem and often death on the streets.

I commend this Bill to the House. I know it will introduce many measures which the Garda and others have sought for a number of years. I am glad to have been able to listen to them and accommodate changes which they requested. I hope this will be only the start of a number of other modernising methods in the criminal justice system.

I thank the Minister and her officials for having listened so carefully to the debate. I cannot say that many of the amendments which I would have preferred to see inserted were, nonetheless, I believe they will be seriously considered over the coming months and Fianna Fáil with be in a position to legislate for them next year.

Question put and agreed to.
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