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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 17 Apr 1997

Vol. 477 No. 7

Youth Work Bill, 1997: Second Stage (Resumed).

Question again proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

The significant contribution that youth organisations make towards improving the lot of young disadvantaged people merits the allocation of specific resources. Many young people are unable to participate fully in society. The symptoms of disadvantage include being away from home, in trouble with the authorities and non-attendance or poor achievement at school.

In 1973 it was estimated that 16 per cent of all children under the age of 14 lived in households with less than half the average income and that by 1987 that figure had increased to 26 per cent. In the European Union the percentage of young people unemployed has remained at twice the level of all those unemployed. We still have a major unemployment problem. A recent opinion poll identified unemployment as the main cause of concern after crime. The perceived boom in the economy is of little consolation to the 262,500 people unemployed. Growth in the economy must be translated into jobs, particularly for those who are long-term unemployed. There are large numbers of young people among the unemployed. Some 61,700 people between the ages of 18 and 25 are signing on the live register. Half the long-term unemployed do not have any formal qualifications. It is obvious that the educationally disadvantaged young person is most at risk of becoming unemployed and being caught in long-term unemployment. The cycle of poverty and unemployment will continue when the majority of those who are educationally disadvantaged come from disadvantaged backgrounds.

The serious problems that arise from educational disadvantage are obvious when one considers that 25,000 young people leaving school each year could be classified as educationally disadvantaged, 13,000 of whom could be classified as severely educationally disadvantaged. They deserve better. This serious cycle of disadvantage needs to be addressed.

Drug misuse and unemployment are serious social problems and affect young people disproportionately. Parents from all areas express to public representatives their concern about children falling into the grip of drugs. A recently published Fianna Fáil policy document represents our determination to implement a truly integrated drugs and drug-related crime policy rather than the sporadic and unrelated drugs initiatives which have been a feature of recent Government policy. Drugs cause horrific human misery in every segment of our society.

The lives of those addicted to drugs are out of control and, unfortunately, all too often end in the ultimate tragedy. The evidence indicates that communities suffering multiple disadvantage, such as very high unemployment and low educational attainments, have also had the highest concentrations of drug addiction and the attendant drug dealing and crime problems. These communities are located primarily in Dublin, but there are communities in all cities and most urban areas which have suffered disproportionately from the ravages of drugs. The official services have failed those communities where local parents and community organisations have tried to hold the line against the drugs onslaught.

Our party will table a number of amendments on Committee Stage. Section 4 refers to the procedure to be followed by an education board in relation to the invitation of proposals from voluntary youth work organisations before the board may provide that programme or service. The board appears to be given absolute discretion in the delivery of the service and I note the board is required to review this decision. That weakens the safeguard which the section appears to offer voluntary organisations.

On the withdrawal or reduction of financial assistance, the education board appears to be the judge and jury in its own case. Surely there must be provision for some independent assessment. The whole tendering procedure in relation to the invitation of proposals for the operation of youth services is not clear. Section 4(8) gives further power to the education board, in that it can decide whether the proposals made by the voluntary organisations are suitable. The board would have a vested interest in a judgement, in that it could take on the work if it deems unsuitable the proposals submitted by the youth organisations. It would appear that once again the education board is the judge and jury in its own case. I hope on Committee Stage the Minister will amend the Bill or give some clear indication that will not be the case if education boards are established.

Section 10 provides for the establishment of the National Youth Work Advisory Committee. The establishment of this committee is welcome but the explanatory memorandum on section 11 contains a declaration of intent that "the number of nominees of the prescribed body representing voluntary youth work organisations will be about equal to the combined number of nominees of other Ministers and FÁS". However, it is obvious an intention will not have any force in law and we will need clarification on this matter. It appears from section 11(3)(a) that in theory at least only one representative of the voluntary youth organisations need be appointed. This does not make sense in the context of the composition of the committee.

Section 15 prescribes the structure and electoral process of voluntary youth councils. That represents "over the top" interference in the internal affairs of voluntary youth organisations which prevents them by law from appointing employees to the voluntary youth council.

Section 17 provides for the establishment of youth work committees. Will the Minister of State indicate if employees of youth organisations can be members of youth work committees, even though they are excluded from membership of the voluntary youth council? Sections 17 and 18 are not the major step forward in the area of empowering the volunteers that has been suggested.

Section 20 provides for the withdrawal or reduction of a grant. Is there a need for an independent appeals procedure in this regard? It is not clear where the Department's funding obligation will end and that of the education boards will begin.

Section 22 and 23 provide for the prescribing by the Minister of voluntary youth work organisations and this would appear to be a step in the right direction, particularly in regard to the need to establish a general register of youth work organisations. There is further room for improvement in the provision of safeguards against individuals, who are clearly unsuitable for youth work, establishing their own services.

I have listened with great interest to the debate in this House and am I glad to have this opportunity to respond to a number of the issues raised. On a positive note, I express my appreciation that Deputy Smith gave a general welcome to the publication of the Youth Work Bill, 1997, and a particular welcome to the primacy of the volunteer in youth work, as enshrined in the Bill. I agree with Deputy Smith that in the youth service the volunteer youth workers need the support of paid youth workers.

Some doubt has been raised by the Opposition as to the true extent of the commitment of this Government to youth work and, in particular, as to the adequacy of the funding provided for youth work. I point to this Government having done something no previous Government did. It introduced the first ever Government sponsored legislation for the development of youth work. This is proof positive this Government is totally committed to youth work.

On the matter of funding, there has been steady progress. The total expenditure of the youth affairs section in 1987 was £3,765,000 whereas in 1996 the corresponding figure was £13,908,000. In 1997 the allocation for the youth affairs section is £13,395,000, but that decrease since 1996 is due entirely to the fact that responsibility for certain child care and substance abuse projects has this year been transferred to the Department of Health. Those projects, although resourced previously by the youth affairs section, were not youth work initiatives and were always more appropriate to the Department of Health. When one disregards the funding for those child care and substance abuse projects, the 1997 provision for the youth affairs section still represents an increase over the equivalent 1996 figure. It is worth noting in this connection that the 1996 provision represented an increase of more than 10 per cent over the corresponding figure for 1995.

The rise in funding in 1996 allowed me to extend provision under the grant scheme for special projects to assist disadvantaged youth, and that ties in with Deputy Smith's point about drugs in our community. We are aiming at young people at risk and are making more out-of-school youth work opportunities available to young people who are at risk due to a combination of factors ranging from early school leaving, low income, unemployment, substance abuse and social isolation. It also permitted me to allocate sufficient funds for the maintenance and development of mainline youth work programmes and services provided by the national and major regional voluntary youth organisations through the youth service grant scheme. In addition, the extra resources available in 1996 enabled me to undertake development in the network of youth information centres, in terms of extending the network of centres and helping to meet the modern information technology requirements of that network.

Deputy Smith asked whether, under the provisions of the Youth Work Bill, youth organisations would continue to receive direct grants from the Department of Education. The position in this regard is that, while responsibility for the funding of local and regional youth work programmes and services would in general be devolved from the Department of Education to the education boards, sections 8 and 19 of the Youth Work Bill empower the Department to allocate direct grants to voluntary youth work organisations in respect of the provision of youth work programmes or services in two or more education regions. Section 8 also permits the Department to secure the provision of supplementary regional youth work programmes and services by allocating direct grants to voluntary youth work organisations. Accordingly, the direct funding of youth organisations by the Department will continue in respect of national and inter-regional youth work programmes and services. However, youth work programmes and services particular to a specific education region will normally be secured by education boards, and not by my Department.

My colleague across the Chamber used this debate to attack the principle of education boards. As Deputies will be aware, the Minister for Education in her Second Stage speech on the Education Bill indicated that, where a reasonable case is put forward for amendment of the Bill which will not affect its central principles, she is prepared to consider that case objectively and, if necessary, bring forward proposals for amendment on Committee Stage. I have noted the comments the Deputy has made regarding the Education Bill. I have passed these comments to my colleague, the Minister for Education. These views will be considered together with the views of other interested parties in this context.

I would remind the House that a long consultative process has been undertaken with all concerned in formulating the provisions of the Youth Work Bill. The collective efforts of all of us who have been involved in this process finally bore fruit in the publication of this Bill on 5 March 1997. As has been said by many people on many occasions, the enactment of legislation for the development of youth work has been an aspiration for a very long time and at last it is happening.

The Youth Work Bill will not only give a legislative basis to the provision, co-ordination, monitoring and evaluation of existing youth work services but will also give a statutory framework to the further development of these services. Moreover, the Bill will, in accordance with European precedents of devolution, delegate responsibility for the planning and funding of local and regional youth work services to education boards and will enable the Department of Education to concentrate on national strategic issues, such as policy development and assessment of performance.

However, the Bill will not substitute public sector activity for voluntary sector activity in the youth work sphere. On one level, it ensures youth work services will normally be secured by education boards through grant-aiding voluntary youth work organisations, while, on another, voluntary youth councils composed of volunteer youth leaders will have influence on decision making. In addition, the Bill provides for a national youth work advisory committee which will include substantial representation from one single national representative body for voluntary youth work organisations.

Since publication of the Bill, officials of my Department and I have continued a process of dialogue with the National Youth Council of Ireland and other relevant bodies on the provisions of the Bill. I have listened carefully to the views expressed and, as I indicated on 10 April, where a reasonable case is put forward for amendment of the Bill which does not dilute its central principles, I will give objective consideration to it and to proposing amendments on Committee Stage.

In response to Deputy Smith, provision is made in several sections of the Bill for priority to be accorded to the youth work needs of disadvantaged young people. Primary attention must be given to them. The Government has concentrated on the preventive element of the crime and drugs problem among young people. The most effective elements of prevention are the youth services and sport and recreation organisations. Investment in these bodies not only saves money for the Exchequer in the long term because of the reduced need for other services once the problem has been identified, but it will also eliminate a great deal of the suffering, anguish and heartbreak of families and individuals. I have put across this core message to obtain more resources for youth services and sport and recreation organisations.

The opportunities contained in the provisions of this legislation are significant. I am confident the Youth Work Bill will greatly assist us in meeting future challenges facing everyone involved in youth work.

Question put and agreed to.
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