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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 22 Apr 1997

Vol. 478 No. 1

Private Members' Business. - National Lottery Funding: Motion

I move:

That Dáil Éireann, recognising the arbitrary and unfair way in which national lottery funds are currently distributed, the lack of openness, transparency and accountability in the process, and the lack of any set application or qualification criteria for the making of lottery grants, calls on the Government to:

(a) review current procedures for the disbursement of lottery funds;

(b) re-state the legal and administrative basis on which decisions on lottery grants are currently made; and

(c) establish an independent trust to control the distribution of lottery funds.

I wish to share my time with Deputy O'Donnell.

Is that agreed? Agreed.

The national lottery was designed to be a new source of funding for projects in sport, the arts, culture and community health. Unfortunately, it has been used instead to substitute for Exchequer financing and that is its problem.The distribution of lottery funds is subject to political control and decisions can be made by Ministers on an arbitrary basis. No organisation is responsible for disbursing lottery money. There are no set application procedures and no set qualifying criteria. The system, as it currently operates, lacks openness, transparency and accountability. As a result, public confidence in it is low.

Our solution is that an independent charitable trust must be established to take responsibility for the distribution of lottery funds. This trust would distribute the available surplus equally across four designated areas and equitably across the country. The four areas we have specified are: sport and youth, arts and culture, national heritage and voluntary groups. The Minister for Finance would appoint trust members from nominees of sporting, cultural and voluntary groups. The trust would establish common procedures for grant applicants and ensure that clear qualifying criteria would be satisfied. The new system would help ensure lottery money was used to provide badly needed social, sporting and cultural facilities for the areas of greatest deprivation.

The Irish national lottery has been in operation for more than ten years and has been, by any standards, highly successful in commercial and operational terms. It has gained widespread public acceptance, has raised more than £1 billion and has helped thousands of good causes. Despite this success, it is clear the lottery has not lived up to original expectations. There is grave public concern about how lottery funds are distributed and the means by which beneficiaries are selected. The Progressive Democrats believe it is time for a comprehensive review of the lottery legislation with a view to making the system more open, transparent and accountable.

The establishment of the national lottery ten years ago was widely welcomed by all sections of Irish society. This was reflected by the fact that the legislation which established it was supported at the time by all parties in the Oireachtas. The new lottery was welcomed because it was perceived to be serving a worthy purpose. It was clearly understood by those who supported the legislation back in 1987 that the lottery surplus would be used to fund activities and developments in a number of designated areas. Section 5 of the National Lottery Act, 1986, specified these as: sport and recreation, national culture, including the Irish language, arts and health of the community. Hopes were high at the time that, with the availability of dedicated finance from the new national lottery, it would be possible to make up for years of underfunding by the State in those areas. There was a strong belief at the time that our sports facilities, which were extremely poor by international standards, would be significantly upgraded and brought into line with those in other European countries. I remember sport funding as one of the main selling points of the original lottery proposal.

The concept of additionality was also a key principle for the original promoters of the idea of a national lottery. Any lottery funding going to the designated areas would be in addition to existing financial contributions from the State. There was a general acceptance that lottery money would not be used to substitute for Exchequer support. Ten years on, it is abundantly clear that things have worked out very differently and that the way in which the national lottery surplus is now distributed is not what was envisaged in the original plans.

Let us examine the current system. The national lottery surplus is now used almost like a political slush fund. Those of us who are lobbied by various community and sports groups in our constituencies are well aware of this. We know money is distributed on a largely arbitrary basis by the Government. Ministers have more personal discretion over how lottery money is spent than they have over the funds voted to their Departments by the Oireachtas. This is extraordinary.

There is no statutory organisation with overall responsibility for the distribution of lottery funds, no set application procedure for those seeking lottery money for specific projects and no set qualifying criteria to determine which projects qualify for lottery funding. There is no financial report on how funds are spent and whether or not we are getting value for public money. There is no political accountability with no Government Minister being answerable to the Oireachtas. No other tranche of public money is disbursed in such a cavalier fashion. This is clearly a most unsatisfactory state of affairs, which should not and cannot be tolerated in any parliamentary democracy.

Furthermore, and totally at odds with what was originally envisaged, the lottery surplus is now widely used to substitute for Exchequer funding. Lottery allocations are used to finance spending commitments across a range of Government activities under almost every departmental heading.The 1986 legislation contains a clause which allows the surplus to be spent not just on the designated good causes but also "for such other purposes as the Government may determine from time to time". The flexibility provided by this clause is being abused. Instead of being a source of dedicated funding, the lottery surplus is now so widely disbursed, it has had little real effect in any of the areas specified in the original legislation.

There are system failures and the inadequacies of the existing system have done much to erode public confidence in the lottery concept. The current arrangements have given rise to serious problems which must be addressed. The first relates to political favouritism. It is wrong that lottery grants should be made on this basis. Ministers responsible for sport especially have often been unable to rise above parochial politics and have clearly favoured their constituencies. Another difficulty is unfair distribution. It is wrong that the poor should be asked to subsidise the lifestyles of the rich.

It is seen as a scandal that lottery money is given to golf clubs. This money could provide much needed recreational facilities in disadvantaged communities.

When the lottery was first proposed in 1984, it was envisaged that funds would be channelled solely into sport. Today sport receives less than 15 per cent of the lottery surplus and remains heavily under-funded by European standards. Lottery funds could be used to support flagship public projects which might not otherwise be viable. This has not happened. The lottery bonanza has produced no great stadium, museum or cultural centre.

These factors have not deterred the public from playing the lottery. Punters play out of a desire to win, this week the jackpot is £2.5 million.People do not play out of altruism. However, the disbursement of funds has contributed to the growing cynicism about politicians, the political process and the institutions of Government. If we are to rebuild public confidence in the political process the national lottery is a good place to start.

The Progressive Democrats believe that it is time the principles of openness, transparency and accountability were applied to the management and disbursement of the national lottery surplus. We will seek to have such a commitment included in the 1997-2002 programme for Government.

The process for the disbursement of the national lottery surplus must be firmly placed on a statutory footing. The National Lottery Act, 1986, did not adequately deal with the administrative arrangements governing the disbursement of the surplus. That legislation must be amended to stipulate that the surplus can be used only to fund projects in four specific areas, with each being guaranteed 25 per cent of the total allocation.In the interests of equity these areas should be sport and youth, arts, culture and the Irish language, national heritage and voluntary groups. With regard to voluntary groups, the emphasis should be on assisting groups which provide help to the poor, the sick, the disabled and the elderly.

This statutory framework would ensure that the money went where it was supposed to go. Each of the four areas would be guaranteed an annual subvention of approximately £25 million. The flexibility clause in section 5 of the 1986 Act must also be deleted. This will prevent the abuse of the system whereby lottery money has been used to substitute for Exchequer funding and disbursed across the spectrum of public expenditure.

These reforms will not be sufficient on their own. If we are serious about restoring public confidence in the system we must recognise the need for a totally new set of legal and administrative arrangements for dealing with the disbursement of lottery money. This means depoliticising the process. The 1986 Act must be amended to provide for the establishment of an independent, charitable trust which would have the sole responsibility for all aspects of the disbursement of lottery funds. The members of that trust could be appointed for a five year term by the Minister for Finance from nominations submitted by designated bodies in the areas of sport, youth, culture, heritage and the voluntary sector. The trust would rationalise the administration of the lottery surplus and would be required to ensure common application procedures. This would mean that all applicants would compete for funding on a level playing field with everyone completing the same form.

All applications in each of the four designated areas would be assessed against the same qualifying criteria. A fully audited annual report would be submitted to the Minister for Finance giving full details of all receipts and expenditure. Value for money audits should be carried out on a periodic basis to confirm that public money is being properly and prudently expended. The Chairperson of the trust would attend before a public session of an Oireachtas committee at least once a year to account for their stewardship and to answer questions from elected representatives.

Such a system would bring openness and transparency to the disbursement of lottery money. Taking lottery money out of the world of political favours would also move us another step away from clientelist politics. It would confirm confidence in the body politic which is under such attack.

We could achieve a great deal with lottery money if it were properly targeted. Investment in sporting facilities would help provide a real alternative to the drugs and crime culture which prevails in areas of social deprivation. Investment in heritage projects would improve our built environment and boost our tourism industry. Investment in the voluntary sector would be a cost-effective way of delivering help at community level to those who need it most.

The full potential of the national lottery will not be realised while we persist with our present scatter-gun approach, disbursing relatively small amounts of money across different areas on the basis of political favouritism. We need a fresh start. The bulk of lottery money should go towards providing badly needed social and cultural facilities, particularly in deprived areas. The Progressive Democrats want lottery money to be properly used to provide recreation and diversion in the disadvantaged areas where they are so badly needed. Young people in these areas have practically no facilities. There is a direct link between facilities available to young people and the dangers for those who have no place to go.

One of our primary target areas is youth and sport. The value of sport is incalculable. It is critical to give young people the types of facilities which are so badly needed in a comprehensive and cohesive way. We have a new Sports Council and sport is finally being addressed. If we are to grasp this opportunity it is essential that we provide proper funding.

I am particularly concerned about the involvement of girls in sport. At a meeting I attended today dealing with sport I heard a frightening statistic, that only 2 per cent of girls in the over 16 age group take part in sport. This is surprising when one considers how critical it is for the health and well-being of our children and shows how much we need to address this issue. There are many other issues in which we are falling down. This has been one of the scandals of the disbursement of lottery funds.

It is extraordinary that we have twice as many golf clubs as playgrounds. Our children deserve a better deal and we deserve a better method of disbursing national lottery funds. I do not want to have to write begging letters on behalf of clubs on the off chance that I will gain the ear of the relevant Minister. That is totally inappropriate in any democracy when dealing with public funds contributed in all good faith. Neither do I think the public is properly aware of the manner in which national lottery funds are disbursed. That must be brought to its attention, which is the reason my party has set out the appropriate parameters within which we foresee this being done.

I was very pleased to learn that the Fianna Fáil Party intends supporting our motion. In what I believe to be its penultimate days in office the Government cannot really hold up its head and say it honestly believes in its amendment to this motion, which is a total sham. Unless we have transparent, accountable methods of disbursement of national lottery funds we shall be doing our people a total disservice and no Government should have that on its collective conscience.

It is unbelievable that we should have to rely on the strength an individual Minister can muster to provide funding in particular areas. Nor do we want to hear about the type of nod-wink politics, with people sniggering about Ministers going around with cheques in their pockets for various deserving causes. That is not the manner in which business should be conducted; it should be totally above board. No moneys should be used as any part of some type of political slush/re-election fund. It is essential that, in all our public dealings, we are and be seen to be above board. Public confidence in the disbursement of national lottery funds, to some extent, should restore confidence in the body politic and politicians in general, a very good place to start with public representatives being held in such disregard.

I ask the Government to reconsider its attitude to this motion and support us in the interests of those principles they claim to favour, openness, transparency and accountability.

I support this motion and the views expressed by Deputy Keogh.

The purpose of our motion is to re-emphasise and restore accountability in the system through which national lottery funds surpluses are distributed by the powers that be to various projects.

The national lottery is now very well established and is a very enjoyable feature of Irish life, with much goodwill on the part of our citizens. Notwithstanding its undoubted success and the people's real enthusiasm for it, ten years on it is important to re-examine the intentions of the then Government on its introduction.

The genesis of the national lottery can be traced back to 1979 when the then Minister of State at the Department of Education, Deputy Jim Tunney, first floated the idea of a sports lottery, the original intention being that it fund sporting activities. Yet it is disappointing to note a distinct degree of discontent across a broad range of our people, that sport, rather than being the principal beneficiary, is perceived to be only one of many, with insufficient focus being devoted to or benefit bestowed on sport generally.That view is often expressed to public representatives by members of the general public, who will say to us at our clinics, or when we meet them in pubs or at sporting events that with all of the goodwill surrounding the establishment of the national lottery, it was an awful pity that sport had not been seen to be the main beneficiary. The public sees through this maladministration, that its funds are being disbursed in a scattered, indiscriminate fashion across a plethora of good causes.

It is interesting to re-read the debates at the time the National Lottery Bill was going through both Houses of the Oireachtas. For example, in 1982, before its introduction, the then Minister of State at the Department of Education, Deputy Geoghegan-Quinn, sent a memorandum to the then Taoiseach formally proposing a national lottery for sport, which was dispatched immediately to the Departments of Finance and Justice for examination as to its feasibility. A national lottery was first formally proposed in the then national plan, Building on Reality, published in 1984. Unfortunately, a section of that Bill, which introduced flexibility vis-à-vis its beneficiaries or the causes on which its funds could be expended presented problems, which has led us to our present position, affording, as it does, the Minister flexibility to use those funds for general good causes as distinct from the aims specified in the original Bill. While it is clear that national lottery funds were intended for sport in general gradually other ministries promoted their portfolios. For example, art was included — which I welcome — but, because of that catch-all section which allows the Minister discretion to determine other good causes, allowing those funds to be disbursed over a wide range of areas, its original focus has been lost.

In 1985 the Government Information Service announced that the beneficiaries of the national lottery would be sport and recreation, arts and culture, including the Irish language, and the health of the community. The Bill was passed in July 1986. Section 5 specified that the proceeds of the national lottery be applied in such amounts as the Government may determine for the purpose of sport, recreation, national culture, including the Irish language, art and the health of the community and for such other purposes as the Government might determine from time to time. That last clause is the source of all our problems.

In the course of the debate on the Bill Members foresaw problems in relation to the open-ended capacity of any Government to use the funds "for such other purposes as the Government may determine from time to time." For example, Deputy Mary O'Rourke, as reported at column 1238 of the Official Report of 25 June 1986, said:

Into the greedy coffers and the avaricious jaws of the Government's tax purse will go the punts and shillings of the ordinary punter.

Concern was also expressed that too much power was being vested in the Minister of the day, that it was unclear what projects would benefit from the proceeds of the national lottery.

At the time Deputy Leyden of Fianna Fáil and Deputy Liam Cosgrave of Fine Gael proposed that the matter be taken entirely out of the hands of Government, arguing that its funds be administered on a non-political basis by a non-political group, including representatives of sporting and national organisations. They argued that the distribution of its funds should be undertaken by an independent group and should not be used as a top-up by the Departments of Finance and Education, which arguments were dismissed.

In the course of Committee Stage a clear commitment was given that there was no intention to use national lottery funds for general Government purposes, that its entire proceeds would be accounted for in a completely visible manner, as reported at columns 1857-1861 of the Official Report of 1 July 1986. This all-purpose section was challenged in the House. Therefore, it was clear from the very beginning that there were concerns in both Houses that its overall administration and management was much too loose, was open to political favouritism, to lack of transparency and accountability with, of course, the overall matter of additionality being crucial. It was claimed that those funds should be additional to Government moneys and not a substitute.

Despite the outstanding success of the national lottery, I am very disappointed at the residual feeling of discontent with it among the electorate. It is clear from any analysis of lottery spending that sport has been a poor relation and that a whole variety of undoubtedly good causes have been the beneficiaries of particular allocations. There is no specific pattern of allocations. Funds are not neatly channelled into individual Government Departments. Different Government Departments may receive lottery money under one, two, three or four of the broad categorisations.So numerous are the various Departments in receipt of lottery funding, it is easier to indicate those Departments who do not use lottery funding — Justice, Marine, Enterprise and Employment and Equality and Law Reform. Apart from those Departments all other Departments use lottery funding. They use it instead of, and not in addition to, Exchequer funding, to which they are entitled and about which there is, at least, transparency.Lottery allocations are spread over 13 Votes and 13 subheads.

Sport is important. The Government has devoted considerable resources to it. The recent report, targeting sporting change in Ireland, states that sport is an essential element of the balanced lifestyle which is necessary for healthy living, enjoyment and socialisation. Sport and sport services were stated to be the greatest preventive element in the fight against crime and drugs. A national plan has been announced for sport. It is high time sport was recognised as a major contributor in diverting young people in disadvantaged areas particularly, and in all areas, away from drugs and other mischief.

The Minister who commissioned this glossy and worthy report is the same Minister who presides over the improper disbursement of lottery funding. This is a source of great concern to the public. All Members know it is used for political favouritism. It is noticeable that more money is spent in constituencies where there is a Minister. That is not good enough. It is not transparent and it flies in the face of openness to which this Government espouses. There are no flagship sporting projects. We should be able to point to particular sporting flagship projects. For example, it would be marvellous if we were able to say the special Olympics could be hosted in Ireland in the year 2003.

The special Olympics Ireland provides sports training and competition programmes for all people with a learning disability. This is an important service provided on a low annual budget of £350,000. Only 11 per cent of funding comes from the public sector, lottery funding. In other words, 89 per cent of its funding has to be raised by sponsorship and constant fund raising by the dedicated group of people who work with handicapped people and people with a disability.

This is a 32 county organisation. There are 26,000 people with a learning disability in Ireland, 12,000 of whom are involved in the special Olympics. What greater flagship than to guarantee proper funding for such an organisation? Our athletes in the special Olympics did extremely well this year when they competed in America. If funding could be guaranteed, it would be a great tribute to those athletes with special disabilities.

The motion, as my colleague has outlined, seeks to put in place a completely new and revised structure, introduces focus, transparency and accountability, all of which are aspirations we hear about regularly and on which the Government claims to have a strong mandate. I support the motion and look forward to hearing the contributions of other Deputies.

I move amendment No. 1:

To delete all words after "That" and substitute the following:

"Dáil Éireann, acknowledging the contribution made by the National Lottery towards the funding of areas such as sport and other recreation, arts and culture, youth and welfare, notes:

(a) that over the period 1987-1996 allocations of National Lottery funds totalling approximately £700m have been made for the purposes approved under the National Lottery Act, 1986;

(b) that details of National Lottery allocations are contained in the annual Estimates Volumes and Appropriation Accounts; and

(c) that a National Lottery Review Group is currently examining the allocation of Lottery funds with a view to ensuring maximum transparency in the allocation of the Lottery surplus with particular reference to the allocations of financial support for voluntary (for example, sporting and community) agencies."

The national lottery recently celebrated ten years of successful operation. I welcome the opportunity for the House to consider some of the key issues related to the lottery. I have no hesitation in saying the national lottery has been a success.

Already it has provided over £700 million for activities such as sport and youth, arts and culture and has supported initiatives in favour of the health and welfare of the community. Without the existence of the national lottery, this funding would not have been possible. As with many successful developments, the benefits of the lottery today are quite different from what it was possible to envisage at the outset. There was general support for its establishment and this confidence has been vindicated.

Deputies may recall the origins of the lottery in the undertaking in 1984 in the Government White Paper — Building on Reality — which indicated the Government of the day was anxious, despite the financial situation at the time, that additional funding should be provided for sport. The Government decided a national lottery should be established, part of the proceeds of which would be allocated to the promotion of sport. The success of lotteries in other countries indicated substantial amounts could be raised from a national lottery here.

As I shall discuss later, it is the very success of the national lottery in generating funds for the beneficiary categories which has given rise, from time to time, to issues of controversy. As might be expected, demands for lottery funding consistently exceed the resources available and it is natural that those who apply and do not receive funding will be disappointed. This in itself should not be misconstrued as unfairness or mispropriety in the disbursement of lottery grants which are subject, in all respects, to similar controls as apply to public spending generally. Nonetheless, it is important the lottery's players and the public should have confidence in the methods by which funds are allocated and that there would be maximum transparency.

To this end the Government has appointed a national lottery review group with an independent chairperson and two other independent members as well as representatives of the main Government Departments which administer lottery funding. The chairperson is Mr. Niall Greene and the other two independent members of the group are Mr. Richard Burrows of Irish Distillers and Dr. Kathleen Lynch of UCD. The group is expected to submit its report to the Minister for Finance shortly.

It is clear public trust and confidence are of paramount importance to the operation of a national lottery. The National Lottery Act, 1986, contains comprehensive provisions to protect the public interest and secure the integrity of the national lottery on behalf of the players. The experience of the past ten years demonstrates the national lottery has been operated by the national lottery company, a subsidiary company of An Post, with absolute integrity and has continually maintained the confidence of all. There has always been justifiable concern regarding the purposes to which the lottery surpluses might be applied. The allocation of the lottery surplus is a matter for Government, subject to the provisions of the National Lottery Act 1986. The surplus represents about 33p in every pound spent by the players.

In the course of the passage of the National Lottery Bill through the Oireachtas in 1986, the Oireachtas approved the decision to provide specifically for the qualifying categories while including provision for additional purposes should Government so decide. Section 5 of the National Lottery Act, 1986, provides for the use of the proceeds of the lottery for:

the purposes of such one or more of the following, and in such amounts, as the Government may determine from time to time, that is to say, sport and other recreation, national culture (including the Irish language), the arts (within the meaning of the Arts Act, 1951) and the health of the community, and such (if any) other purposes, and in such amounts, as the Government may determine from time to time.

When lottery sales spectacularly exceeded original expectations, the following were added to the original list of qualifying categories: youth, welfare, national heritage and amenities. The Government also approved the allocation of lottery moneys, on a once-off basis, to the Dublin Millennium in 1988 and EXPO '92. It should be clear therefore that lottery moneys may only be used for the stated purposes. It should be appreciated, however, that lottery funding, as decided by successive Governments, exists side by side in many cases with general Government funding, for example, in the case of publicly funded initiatives supporting the health and welfare of the community.

To acknowledge this fact is not to deny the vocation of the lottery to provide additional funds for specific purposes. It is a recognition that when the lottery surplus was many times greater than originally envisaged, successive Governments have naturally had to establish priorities for lottery funding in the context of overall public and social expenditure priorities. One of those Governments included the Progressive Democrats.It is also the case that, but for the lottery, it would not have been possible to maintain funding for many discretionary grant schemes. Moreover, many lottery funded schemes have secured increased allocations which compared favourably with the general trend of public expenditures.

From the outset, the proceeds of the national lottery considerably exceeded expectations. I will briefly outline the main developments which indicate the growth of the national lottery over the past ten years. In 1987, the first year of operations — when the National Lottery Company was selling scratch cards only — sales amounted to £102.4 million, compared with an estimate of just £22.5 million included in the 1987 budget, that is, nearly five times as much as estimated.

In the following year — April 1988 — the lotto game was introduced with one draw each week on Saturday nights. It was originally based on a 36 number matrix and was an immediate success. By 1990, lotto sales had outgrown the sale of instant tickets. In May 1990, a second lotto draw, the midweek draw, was introduced on Wednesday nights. The lotto matrix was increased from 36 numbers to 39 in August 1992 and to 42 in September 1994. In 1996, the turnover of the national lottery amounted to almost £308 million per annum, of which approximately two-thirds were lotto sales and one-third instant ticket sales. A sum of £101 million, which corresponds to about one-third of all sales, was contributed to the national lottery fund for distribution to the beneficiary fund. Sales have steadily grown, but the spectacularly rapid increases of the early days are unlikely to be repeated. Spending on lottery products is tending to even out at about 0.7 per cent of personal consumer spending.

The national lottery has been a highly successful generator of funding for a wide range of projects in sectors such as sports, youth, arts and culture, and the health of the community. In this way there is a tangible return to the community. The benefits have been spread from national organisations catering, for example, for youth and sport or for the arts, to community and voluntary bodies at local level. The common denominator in all lottery funding has been a valuable contribution to a deserving cause, an injection of funding made possible by the success of the lottery. I will briefly outline some of the main schemes shortly.

It was decided in 1990 that allocations of lottery funding should be shown in specially designated national lottery subheads under the relevant Votes in the annual Estimates publications. This was intended to provide a clear presentation of the relevant allocations in the context of public expenditure provisions. A table showing all the subheads in the Estimates which include national lottery funded projects, together with the actual amounts provided in the subheads, is included as an appendix to the Estimates volume, thus bringing the lottery funded items together in a single place for information. The amounts are also shown in the Estimates for the various Departments concerned. If an activity is financed both from the lottery and from Exchequer revenue, there are two separate subheads in the relevant Estimate to make this clear.

While the Minister for Finance has overall responsibility for the operation of the national lottery, in accordance with the National Lottery Act, 1986, the Government decides the lottery allocations. In practice, these decisions are taken in the context of decisions on the annual Estimates.Each Minister is answerable to the Dáil for lottery funded expenditure within his or her functional area. Lottery funding for youth and sport, for example, is administered by the Minister for Education. In practice, the Government considers provisions for lottery funded subheads during the annual Estimates process in the same way as it considers the spending Estimates generally.Spending Departments propose how much should be allocated to lottery aided subheads and the Government makes reductions if the amounts sought exceed the available resources.

When departmental allocations under the subheads have been settled by Government, it becomes largely a matter for the spending Departments to allocate the funds within the approved subhead provision among individual projects or schemes in accordance with the terms of those schemes. Lottery funding is limited to the designated categories as opposed to being available for general Government spending purposes.This is entirely in line with the approach taken when the lottery was being established. However, the allocations policy which evolved under successive Governments allowed a somewhat wider application of the lottery surplus than might originally have been envisaged in so far as, soon after 1989, the lottery sales had so greatly exceeded the initial estimates that the funds available to the Exchequer as a result were very much greater than when the initial policy decisions were taken.

There was a major retrenchment in public spending during the late 1980s. To ease the impact of the reductions in public spending, certain items were transferred to lottery funding. This helped to cushion the impact of the reductions in public spending, while nonetheless allowing additional spending at a considerably higher level than was envisaged when the lottery was introduced.

There have been various reports into the operation of the national lottery and the distribution of the surplus. It is interesting to look briefly at some of the main findings in so far as they can contribute to better understanding of the main issues in lottery funding. I will refer first to the report of the all party working group of 1988-89. The group's main recommendation was that the allocation of funds among the eligible categories should continue to be determined by the Government.This position has been maintained by successive Administrations, including the one in which the Progressive Democrats participated, on the grounds that this framework is evidently the most suitable and contributes to the greatest degree of parliamentary accountability. I will return to the independent board later. The all — party group also recommended that lottery funds should not be used to substitute for funding previously provided from normal Exchequer sources to finance core programmes which are the responsibility of Government Departments. This recommendation was not accepted by the Government.

The Oireachtas Joint Committee on Commercial State-sponsored Bodies inquired into the National Lottery Company in 1990. While the joint committee was primarily concerned with the commercial operations of the National Lottery Company, it made suggestions for improved public information regarding the many uses to which lottery surpluses are directed. This is a practical issue on which considerable progress has been made in recent years and to which the present Government is strongly committed.

The joint committee considered that the existing range of beneficiary categories was sufficiently broad and recommended against any widening of the list which would result in spreading the level of support too thinly and losing the impact of the fund. Some members of the joint committee expressed concern about the adverse publicity which surrounded some decisions on the disbursement of moneys from the lottery. It recommended that more information be published on projects assisted from the lottery and the publication of clearer information for the benefit of applicants on application procedures. The committee recommended continuous monitoring of the social impact of the lottery.

Arising from its examination of the 1991 appropriation accounts, the Committee of Public Accounts requested the Comptroller and Auditor General to undertake a detailed examination of the arrangements for the administration of lottery grants. This examination made a number of general recommendations aimed at ensuring a transparent and equitable system. While the investigation indicated some shortcomings in adherence to standard procedures, it did not find any evidence of impropriety in the administration of grants in any of the Departments concerned.

The Committee of Public Accounts made recommendations aimed at ensuring as far as possible that there were standard application forms, clear criteria for making grants and adequate procedures for follow-up to ensure the funds were spent as intended. The detailed recommendations included the following in relation to the applications and decision-making process for lottery grants: there should be a standard application form for lottery grants which, apart from the normal details, as a minimum sets out the purpose for which the grant is being sought, the number of people who benefit from the work of the organisation seeking the grant and the sources of the organisation's funding, separately identifying sources of State funding to prevent possible overlap or duplication; there should be a structured process to ensure objectivity in evaluating competing applications for funding by reference to agreed predetermined criteria; the recommendations of the line section in the Department should clearly show the justification for the grant and its amount.

Following the Public Accounts Committee report, the Department of Finance issued a revised, updated and consolidated circular to Departments covering all aspects of administration of national lottery grants. The guidelines were designed to ensure that clear criteria apply for each discretionary scheme, that all interested persons will have due opportunity to apply for the funding available and that all applications are treated on an equal footing.

Monitoring to ensure the funds have been used for the purpose approved is an important feature in all lottery funding. This is particularly so where funds are issued to an organisation which may not have had much experience in handling public funds. In practice, all lottery funded spending, as allocated by Government, is authorised by the relevant Minister for services operated under the aegis of their Departments, including, in many cases, voluntary and community groups. All these areas such as eligibility criteria, method of submitting applications and availability of information are being investigated by the National Lottery Review Group.

The main lottery funded schemes under the Department of Arts, Culture and the Gaeltacht are the grant-in-aid funds for Bord na Gaeilge, Ciste na Gaeilge, the Heritage Council and An Chomhairle Ealaion, the Arts Council. Up to the end of 1996, £171 million had been provided for projects in the categories of arts, culture and the national heritage.

Lottery funding for youth in sport is administered by the Minister for Education. Full details of grant-in-aid from lottery funds to help support and promote the development of sport are given in the Department of Education's annual report Sport in Ireland which acknowledges the substantial sports funding made possible by the sustained success of the lottery. Grants are paid to the national governing bodies of sport to assist with costs of administration, coaching, specialist equipment, athlete support, increasing participation and raising standards. Capital grants are paid towards the provision of sport and community recreational activities, comprising the major facilities scheme and the recreational facilities scheme.

In the youth area, there are a number of schemes at national level to support the operations of recognised voluntary youth work organisations and at local level, mainly through vocational education committees and youth organisations, to support information services and special projects for disadvantaged young people. The allocation in the current year for youth and sport and recreation and amenities amounts to almost £30 million. Approximately £232 million was provided during the period 1987-96.

Lottery funding for recreational facilities development is administered by the Department of the Environment for the provision of swimming pools and libraries. The 1997 allocations amount to £3.5 million for swimming pools and £2.68 million for libraries. In support of developments in social housing, lottery funds make a valuable contribution through the scheme for the installation of communal facilities in voluntary housing for which just over £1 million is provided in 1997.

Under the Department of Health, grants are paid to voluntary organisations or groups under the respite care grant scheme and the national lottery grant scheme for community-based projects under the headings of mental and physical handicap, the elderly, psychiatric services, child care services, women's refuges and personal social services, including information and counselling services. The balance of national lottery funds allocated to the Department of Health fund ongoing services and the capital programme.

The Department of Social Welfare operates a mix of once-off grant schemes and programmes of support for community and voluntary activity. Details of all schemes are set out in the Department's information booklet SW85. There is also a separate leaflet on the community development programme, CDP.

Lottery funded schemes focus on the most disadvantaged groups and communities. To be eligible, groups must subscribe to a self-help, community development ethos and involve intended beneficiaries in management and design of the project. In my own part of the country, community and voluntary groups which do worthwhile work such as South West Wexford Community Development Association, the Coolcotts Community Development Programme, the Windmill Therapeutic Training Unit, Piercetown and the New Ross Community Hospital all benefited from lottery funding in 1996. The community has also benefited from allocations to the Ferrybank swimming pool and the libraries in Wexford and Enniscorthy.

As is clear from the above description, the benefits of the national lottery reach into many areas of the community. There have been calls from time to time for the provision of detailed information on lottery grants in a single volume. At the end of 1996, my Department, with the assistance of the other Departments involved, produced a compendium of national lottery grants, a copy of which was sent to each Deputy. It provides a comprehensive listing of lottery funding and grants. So far, it covers the period 1987-94. Information in relation to 1995 will be published shortly. Information in relation to 1996 will be published as soon as possible following publication of the 1996 Appropriation Accounts.

Wearing my other hat on behalf of public service customers, while the compendium contains all the details and all funding is accounted for, it is not user friendly. If one is looking for specific information, it is difficult to trace it quickly. It is a question of layout more than anything else. The design and layout could be improved. While there is no question of lack of transparency in spending lottery funds, it is not idiot proof, if one is looking for specific information in a hurry. I make this point to be objective. In rebutting criticisms from the Opposition by way of the amendment, I am personally not satisfied that the compendium is user friendly, although I applaud the concept. It should perhaps be redesigned to make it easier to find what one is looking for.

There have been suggestions from time to time that it would be preferable to have an independent board which would be charged with deciding the distribution of the lottery surplus. The case generally made for such an arrangement is that it would be free from political interference. It is also argued that an independent board would facilitate achievement of openness and transparency in lottery funded expenditure. While the concept of an independent board may appear attractive, it would be naive to consider that such a board would find a magic formula to reconcile demand for and availability of lottery funding. There will always be criticism and cribs as long as all applicants cannot be satisfied. That will always be the case. Experience in other jurisdictions shows that taking the decision out of the Government arena is no guarantee that disputes and controversies will be avoided. It is imperative that spending on beneficiary programmes should conform to the highest possible standards of public accountability and transparency. The Government is firmly committed to this principle.

Ministers and the Government await with interest the outcome of the deliberations of the National Lottery Review Group and will give its recommendations the fullest consideration when its report is received.

Fianna Fáil supports this motion as it believes it is time for a root and branch review of the national lottery and the disbursement of funding. I am disappointed with the Government amendment as I thought it would refer to a new initiative. However, it merely asks Members to note that £700 million was spend over the period 1987-96, that details of the allocations are included in the annual Estimates Volumes and Appropriation Accounts and that the National Lottery Review Group is currently examining the matter. This amendment is an insult to Members. The Government is paying no heed to points made in the House or to the motion tabled by Deputy Keogh on behalf of the Progressive Democrats.

There is need for a public watchdog to oversee the allocation of national lottery funding. People do not believe that the funds are being distributed fairly or evenly. I accept the points made by the Minister about the role of the Department of Finance and other Departments in the allocation of national lottery funding, but there is a clear view among the public and voluntary organisations that this funding is not being distributed in the way originally intended. There is much disagreement about the purposes for which the funding is allocated. Regardless of how evenly the funding is disbursed, once it is contained totally within Government services, is ultimately under the control of the Department of Finance and is subject to the needs of the national Exchequer in the first instance then the public will not be happy.

There is need for a public watchdog to oversee the allocation of national lottery funding and to immediately lift the cap on the prizes which can be given by charitable lotteries and to compensate these lotteries. The Government has been repeatedly made aware of the unfair position of charitable lotteries, even to the extent that the Opposition introduced a Private Members' Bill on the matter, yet it has turned a deaf ear to the problems of these organisations. This merely serves to reinforce people's fears that the Government will not listen to their views.

There is no point referring to the position in 1979, 1986 or 1987, we must deal with the present position. While much national lottery funding has been allocated and accounted for, the public wants a better level of information on how the money is spent. An independent national lottery trust with power to oversee the allocation of funding would reassure the public on this point. In addition people would have an opportunity to debate its annual report which would detail how the funds are spent and make recommendations on priority areas.

While the present structure ensures that many worthwhile activities receive considerable support from the national lottery, the public must be able to see that allocations are made on the basis of need and are distributed in an even handed way. It is also important that voluntary organisations are represented on the review group. The Minister referred to the three people on the review group. I accept that they are excellent people but the voluntary sector has no representation on the group. The voluntary sector plays a major role in the life of the country and its partnership is very important in the development of economic and social plans. It is important for it to be represented on the review group so that its views can be heard and considered.

I recognise that it was necessary to bolster routine departmental expenditure during the early days of the national lottery but it is time to take a fresh look at the adequacy of the allocations to sporting and disadvantaged groups and to other important areas and to consider the provision of a designated sum to voluntary organisations so that they can meet their needs and set priorities. I hope the review group takes this point on board.

Even though much valuable work has been carried out during the past ten years there is much trite comment about the national lottery. When the national lottery was established in 1986 there was not adequate money to maintain or improve many services and there were growing needs which could not be met. It was, therefore, natural to meet these needs by allocations from the national lottery. However, we have moved on from that and it is time to do away with this arrangement and to ensure national lottery funding is used for additional developments and services.Obviously some of these will remain as they were additional and special, but in other cases the money was used to make up extreme shortages. Given experience over the past ten years and in the knowledge that the national lottery has been very beneficial, we should ensure that the funding is used for the purposes originally intended.

There has been much comment in recent years about the building of an Olympic size swimming pool. The intentions in this regard were very good at the start and an independent committee was set up to look at suitable locations etc. However, it did not prove possible in the long run to build this pool. This was not the fault of the Department of Finance or Government of the day. Nevertheless, it is time to consider where we should go from here and to recognise the ability of voluntary organisations to set their own priorities in many instances. We should make a particular sum available to them for which they would have to account. They should be given that degree of flexibility.

I have been particularly critical of the Government's inaction in regard to removing the cap on the prize funds offered by charitable lotteries, currently fixed at £10,000 per week. It is totally inexcusable that the cap remains at that figure. I often support the Rehab lottery, the main lottery in this area, in my local shopping centre. It is almost impossible for these lotteries to operate when they are tied to a national prize fund of £10,000 per week. This situation has developed over the years and is now at crisis point.

The Government's own advisory group recommended that the cap should be removed from these charitable lotteries. The Select Committee on Legislation and Security has also recommended its removal. The chairman of that committee, Deputy Flanagan, has been very vocal in the House on this matter, although I have not heard him speak about it recently, which bothers me. He has stated that the cap should be removed, and that everybody was in favour of its removal. The Oireachtas committee was unanimously in favour of removing the cap, having taken advice and considered the matter for some time.

The Government's way of dealing with this issue has been to refer the report of the advisory group to yet another committee, and so we go from committee to committee. With the new management proposals, Government will simply become a matter of committees; nobody will actually do anything. The PR people will be very happy because they will merely have to talk about committees, the matters they are considering and how long they will sit. This Government has probably produced a record number of committee reports. Perhaps that is to its credit but it would be far more to its credit if action was taken in addition to the workings of these committees. It would be to the Government's credit if even one Minister examined one report and took action on it, rather than have committee reports piling one on top of another.

There is an uneven playing pitch in the lottery market as far as the charitable lotteries are concerned.They are literally being wiped out by the twin steamrollers of the Irish and British national lotteries. We had PR statements earlier to the effect that the issue of the British national lottery was being dealt with. I was sceptical about that at the time, and rightly so, because it was not dealt with. With our national lottery it is trying to wipe out the charitable lotteries in this country.

One of the country's best known organisations, Rehab, has seen the turnover from its lottery reduced by two-thirds, from £12 million to just over £4 million, in the past five years, yet the Government is doing nothing about it. That organisation is catering for deprived and disadvantaged people, yet the Taoiseach, the Tánaiste and the Minister for Social Welfare will hold hands tomorrow and tell us they have a national anti-poverty strategy. They should come back down to earth, meet some of these people and do something to help them. They should stop producing documents for a while and take action instead. We will see another charade tomorrow in regard to a national anti-poverty strategy.

The Government discovered crime a number of weeks ago. The Tánaiste stated recently that crime is a major problem. Where has he been? He should visit my constituency. Crime has been a major problem for a long time. We need action, not PR statements, and that applies to the strategies for tackling disadvantage.

Charities like Rehab make a vital contribution to training, community care, resource centres, respite care, home supports and other vitally important social services for people with disabilities.They meet people every day, give them training and help them in other ways, yet the Government has stood by and allowed Rehab's turnover to be reduced from £12 million to almost £4 million.I do not understand that. I cannot believe a Government can be so cruel and hard-hearted.

This is a Government of centralised thinking. The Taoiseach is hardly involved in it. He is dictated to by Minister De Rossa who has bureaucratic, centralised ideas. That is the reality. If that were not the case, this Government would co-operate with the voluntary organisations and recognise they are the people doing the work. It would support them and ensure the lottery fund assists them in two ways — through the Departments, as it is currently doing, and by giving them money and allowing them decide their own priorities.

These charitable lotteries are very professional. They should be given money to get on with the job. The Government should not try to centralise everything, but perhaps it is incapable of doing otherwise. There is much more I would like to say on this topic but I want to share my time with Deputy Keaveney. I ask the Government to re-examine the PD proposal and support it.

I welcome the opportunity to contribute to the debate. We all accept that the national lottery has been a great success and has aroused the interest of a large percentage of the population. The manner in which the funding is disbursed is an issue that raises a similar level of interest among the public. As previous speakers said, after ten years it is realistic to review the lottery.

I am interested in the targeting of all national lottery funding and its value to communities. In the past year, I have spoken to many people from varying backgrounds and interests. Prior to becoming a Member I was a teacher in a large secondary school in the heart of Creggan, in Derry city. Within that school structure there was a large investment in music resources, in terms of instruments and teachers, with the aim of having a permanent class based staff. As a result, children had in-school and after school activities, choir, band, ensemble or individual tuition. They participated in feiseanna, musicals and various cultural events, both inside and outside the school. These events were often linked to charities and benefited local communities. The children were learning a sense of discipline, the value of working together, pride in their grouping and in their background.

Debate adjourned.
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