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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 26 May 1998

Vol. 491 No. 3

Private Members' Business. - Health Care and Personal Social Services: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann, having regard to the widespread demand for health care and personal social services, the fact that in many areas this demand is not being met and the certainty that demand will increase in the future, as also will the costs associated with providing those services, noting, in particular, the urgent need—

—to provide more hospital beds and to attack hospital waiting lists,

—to make further and more effective provision in the areas of care for children, the elderly and persons with mental disability, and

—to develop a comprehensive system of care in the community,

bearing in mind that Irish per capita spending is among the lowest in the European Union, and believing that the present period of economic expansion should return a dividend to the people by way of a major and sustained increase in funds committed to the public health system, calls on the Government—

(1) to declare a target figure for public health expenditure, as a percentage of gross domestic product, and

(2) to commit itself to a programme of spending increases until that figure is achieved and to the maintenance of spending at that level.

The purpose of this motion is threefold. We want to highlight the major inadequacies in our health services, prioritise the areas which are in need of substantial funding and establish a resource framework to develop our health care services over the next decade in order to bring them up to an acceptable level which is, in some way, commensurate with our growing economic wealth.

Our motion is informed by one principle; economic growth is not an end in itself but must lead on to improved living standards and a better quality of life for our citizens. If it is to be a source of social solidarity and inclusion, its effects must be evident in all sectors of society. It must be used to address the deficiencies of the past, of which there are many, and it must evolve to tackle the reasonable, growing demands which progress creates. That has clearly not yet happened. In spite of the existence of social partnership, the feeling remains that the main beneficiaries of recent economic progress have been the well off.

Ireland remains a very divided society. The decisions taken in the area of taxation in this Government's first budget clearly exacerbated tensions in this area. The division in Irish society is nowhere more apparent than within our health system. In recent years, much effort has been put into the development of our economy. Thankfully, this has resulted in unprecedented economic growth. We now need to put the same kind of concerted effort into developing our society so that it can accommodate the needs of all our citizens. That means putting community at the top of the political agenda and spending money where it is needed most. What is the point, one might ask, of having an extra few pounds in one's pocket if one is going to be turned away from a casualty department because of a shortage of beds? What is the point if an elderly parent cannot get into a nursing home? What is the point if child care services remain over-stretched leaving many children at risk? How can we feel good about our booming economy when elderly parents must struggle with a mentally handicapped son or daughter because there are insufficient places for them in care? How can we feel good about our society when vital home help workers are being paid less that £2 per hour?

The motion sets out some of the challenges which face our public health system and with which Members will be familiar. We have debated these on many pervious occasions. They include the provision of services for the elderly, the young — particularly children at risk — those in need of acute services and those with particular disabilities.

The Department of Health and Children has published two significant documents in recent times. The first strategy document, "Shaping a Healthier Future", appeared in 1994. More recently, the Department published its own strategy statement for 1998 to 2001. Both documents are a welcome contribution to the debate on this issue but until funding is addressed these documents remain largely aspirational.

The existence of long hospital waiting lists is a major source of public concern. The latest available figures reveal that more than 32,000 people are currently on hospital waiting lists. While this figure represents a fall from the 1993 high of 40,000, it also represents a significant increase of more than 6,000 from the 26,000 mark achieved by the previous Government. Up to 25 per cent of operations are being cancelled in some hospitals because of the shortage of hospital beds. Almost 1,000 adults have been waiting more than 12 months for cardiac surgery and a similar number await plastic surgery. The vast majority of children on hospital waiting lists have been on the lists for more than 12 months. In Ireland, it remains true that if one needs an operation and can afford to pay for it, it is available but if one is dependent on public care, one faces long waiting lists.

Although this Government set out its intention to tackle these lists, it has clearly failed to do so. The Minister established a review group to examine hospital waiting lists and it is due to report by the end of June. I welcomed the Minister's initiative but did so on the condition that resources would be put in place to tackle the immediate crisis. Unfortunately, no such move has been made and we now face the prospect of a further crisis in our hospitals next winter.

I guarantee that one of the group's main findings will be that a large number of acute hospital beds are being blocked. In the Eastern Health Board area alone it is accepted that there are approximately 300 patients in acute hospital beds who should not be there. This figure comprises elderly people who are unable to gain access to nursing homes, chronically sick people in need of long-term care and many other patients in need of rehabilitation who simply have nowhere else to go. For these beds to be freed up for those awaiting operations, funding must be provided to accommodate those who are currently inappropriately placed.

Much of the progress in the hospital waiting list initiative over the past five years has been based on a quicker turnover of patients. Since 1980, there has been a reduction of 3,500 in the number of hospital beds. This is an area of growing concern to the public who are increasingly uneasy with the hospital as a conveyor belt syndrome. While the reduction in the length of time spent in hospital has been welcomed by many working in the area of hospital economics, the public tends to take a different view which is that the conveyor belt approach is not necessarily in patients' best interests.

Equally immediate is the crisis in child care. A plethora of commitments currently await implementation; these include the establishment of a child care authority, an ombudsman for children, a social services inspectorate and an increased number of foster places for children who are currently awaiting placement. The renaming of the Department of Health as the Department of Health and Children helped to create the impression that this was an area the Government would take seriously. However, as in many other areas, this proved to be yet another exercise in window dressing.

Recently, the Irish Government was severely criticised by the United Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child for its failure to address adequately the needs of children. The UN report expressed serious concern about inadequacies in our child care services. These services are crisis driven at all levels. The lack of availability of suitable places for children often leads to them being housed in hospitals because there is nowhere else for them to go. Large numbers of other children are left in situations where they are seriously at risk.

We should be deeply ashamed that this situation is allowed to persist. Piecemeal attempts to tackle the problem have failed. What is needed is an overall assessment of the scale of the problem, a strategic plan to tackle it over a defined period and a Government commitment to fund that plan. The Minister of State, Deputy Fahey, indicated that the financial requirements in this area alone are in excess of £100 million. I believe this is an accurate assessment.

One of the reasons Ireland has been able to maintain a reasonable standard of care, despite its low per capita spending, has been the relative youth of its population. An OECD report last year indicated that while the health of our younger people is as good as that of younger people in other OECD countries, the health of our elderly compares unfavourably. The health disadvantage in Ireland is primarily based in this sector. There have been welcome improvements in recent years but the challenges ahead are immense.

Over the next decade, our population will age considerably. Projected estimates indicate there will be an additional 100,000 people over the age of 65 years by 2010. There is already massive pressure on existing services, such as nursing homes. The current rates of subvention from the health boards for nursing home care are hopelessly inadequate to meet the expenses involved. Many families are put under severe pressure because of this and there is an urgent need to update the rates. Equally, health board nursing homes cannot cope with the growing demands on them.

There is huge under-provision of day care services for the elderly. The existing situation puts enormous strain on older people and on their families, both financially and emotionally. These problems are likely to increase substantially and will require additional investment by the State. The Minister of State, Deputy Moffatt, is aware of this. He has met a number of groups who are working to improve the lot of older people. In the Dublin area where there is a major concentration of this age group, there are no day care services. People are marooned in their homes, isolated and lonely, and we have not put in place the type of services these people require and deserve.

The situation in many other areas of health service is equally appalling. Ireland is enjoying the most prosperous period in its history, yet over 3,000 people with mental handicap are being denied services. There is an urgent need for day services for 1,200 people who currently have no such service. A further 1,300 people who urgently require residential services do not have them and an additional 1,200 people are currently inappropriately placed in various large old institutions throughout the country. The fact that these placements are allowed to continue is a disgrace. The conditions in some of those old institutions are shameful but there appears to be no political will to do anything about it.

Let us look at the need with regard to mental handicap. Over the past few years there have been small incremental improvements in this area. Little by little, the allocation to mental handicap services has grown and that has been welcomed by parents and agencies working in the area. However, much of the pressure for services was staved off while the database was being compiled by the health boards. I told a public meeting on this issue last year that as soon as the database was completed, the exact need would be known and, because we would know how many people were in dire need of services, there would be no running away from it.

I could not believe that this Government would run away from the stark figure of over 3,000 people in urgent need of services. In the last budget, a capital allocation of a mere £7 million was made for mental handicap services. This allocation was made at a time when it was known that £63 million was needed to deal with the problem. The allocation of £7 million was the smallest capital allocation made to mental handicap services in the last five years.

If we continue to proceed through small incremental improvements, we will alienate many people. Large numbers of people are currently being denied their basic human rights because the State has denied them the resources to live a life of dignity. Since 1980, expenditure on health as a percentage of our GDP has fallen considerably. This fall has been influenced by a number of factors. The difficult economic situation in the 1980s necessitated a considerable reappraisal of existing services and although the figure climbed somewhat during the early to mid 1990s, the recent spectacular economic growth has not been matched by a commensurate increase in health spending.

The Labour Party believes it is time to take a fresh look at this situation. Many of our services are hopelessly inadequate. They reflect to a great extent where we have come from as a society rather than where we are now. Ireland continues to record lower health status indicators than other European countries. The main focus of attention is on acute services but if one looks at what is happening at community level, and there is general agreement that we must concentrate our services there, one can see that only lip service is being paid to the many people who work in community care services.

All Members are aware of the huge shortages in community care services. There are waiting lists of between 18 months and two years for occupational therapy services. There are inadequate chiropody services. Day care services are hopelessly inadequate.

Much lip service is paid to the vital role of home help workers in our community services.

The move from institutional to community care in recent years has necessitated the involvement of large numbers of people providing home help. However, we do not appear to be prepared to put our money where our mouths are in this regard. It is shameful that large numbers of people who provide vital support services in terms of home help are being paid derisory amounts. Over the years the State has saved significant amounts of money by moving people out of big institutions and into the community. Yet all we can do is praise the good work of those who volunteer to become home helps. We should be ashamed of the derisory rates of pay allocated to those people.

The Labour Party believes that in order to address inadequacies in our health services considerable progress will have to be made in the years ahead. To facilitate a proper and phased improvement in these services it is important for Government to set clear targets. Such an approach to tackling a problem is not unprecedented. Clear targets were put in place for increasing aid to developing countries and to a large extent those targets have been met. What is required is the political will to tackle a pressing problem.

The motion cites increases in health spending as a percentage of GDP. The Labour Party is not wedded in absolute terms to this measure. It was chosen because it is the internationally accepted measurement. The principle underpinning the motion is that as society becomes more affluent additional resources need to be committed to the health system. Standing still is simply not acceptable. Improvements are urgently needed over a wide range of services.

In its last budget the Government reduced capital gains taxation by 50 per cent. The cost to the Exchequer of this move is estimated to be more than £40 million. No doubt that cost has been added to by the inclusion in the second Finance Bill this year of provisions for land rezoning for residential development. Those measures have brought no social benefit whatsoever. Those two measures taken together would have been sufficient to pay for the needs of all our mentally handicapped people. These are the choices a Government must make. They are the options that are open to it at budget time, but the choices made in the last budget were seriously flawed and bad for society.

The motion before the House is intended as a constructive contribution towards general debate on this important issue. It does not lambaste the Government for its failures, although failures in the health area have been considerable. Rather it sets out a platform on which to build the progressive health care system for our people as we approach the end of this century. For that reason it is worthy of serious consideration and, I hope, support. I call on the Government to accept it.

I wish to share the remainder of my time with Deputy Wall.

Is that agreed? Agreed.

I welcome the opportunity to speak on this important motion. A well managed, patient, focused public health service is a cornerstone of any civic society. At this time of unprecedented economic growth it is imperative the Government takes action to tackle the serious crisis that afflicts our health service. The Labour Party believes that economic growth is not an end in itself. The benefits of economic growth must be used to enhance and improve the well being of citizens. Investing in our health service is the most appropriate and important public investment the State can make and it should be a priority for all administrations. Many areas of our health services do not have resources available to meet the demand. For example, there are currently more than 32,000 people on hospital waiting lists. Child care services are at breaking point with health boards struggling under a huge backlog. More than 3,000 people with a mental handicap require residential and day places. Our elderly population is bereft of services.

That is only a sample of the crises currently facing our health service and forms the background to the Labour Party's motion before the House. The text of the motion is positive and constructive. We do not want to turn this issue into a political football. The public who rely on our health services deserve better. In the motion we wish to highlight problems facing our health service, encourage people to recognise that those problems can be overcome only through strategic planning and to urge the Government to establish a system of health funding that will harness the benefits of economic growth and invest them in our health system. I hope the Government will appreciate the spirit in which this motion is moved and accept the logic behind our proposals. The course of action proposed will not only improve funding for our health service, it will produce a more transparent system of health funding upon which the public can judge the performance of a Government in improving our health services.

It is important in any debate such as this to recognise the enormous stress the current crisis in our health system places on health professionals. Nurses, doctors, social workers and auxiliary personnel are placed under extreme pressure by shortfalls in resources. They are the people in the front line who have to deal with the understandable anger of patients who face cancellations and delays on a daily basis. Health care professionals perform a heroic service under difficult conditions, but we cannot operate a system where every health care worker must possess the patience of Job and the wisdom of Solomon to tackle their day's work. Instituting reform in our health service such as that proposed in this motion will relieve the pressure under which health care professionals work and dedicate their energies and talents towards patient care rather than crisis management.

I take this opportunity to outline some of the health service problems that occur in County Kildare. The reason I do so is twofold. First, as a representative for the people of south Kildare I am committed to bringing to the attention of the Minister at every opportunity the serious problems facing our health services. Second, I want to reinforce the point that improvements in our health services on a national level must have a real and meaningful effect on services on the ground. It is only when the problems faced on a day to day basis by public health service consumers and staff are removed that we can say we have made a real difference.

Like many large general hospitals, Naas General Hospital has an ongoing bed shortage. The total number of beds in the hospital consistently remains below the number of patients requiring care and accommodation. On some occasions the hospital has had to accommodate more than 160 patients while it has capacity for only 129. Every day in the months of January and February of the past year the number of patients in Naas General Hospital exceeded the number of beds, except on one day when the number of beds just satisfied the number of patients. This has led to a position where for hours on end patients have had to sit in chairs and lie on trolleys in the hospital corridor while waiting for a bed to become free. In addition to those intolerable circumstances, basic facilities such as toilets and showers are totally inappropriate and need to be improved radically to deal with the demand.

Naas General Hospital is no different from dozens of hospitals throughout the country. My colleague, Deputy Stagg, has consistently raised with the Minister the severe pressure faced by the accident and emergency unit in James Connolly Memorial Hospital in Blanchardstown. The position in James Connolly Memorial Hospital and Naas General Hospital is indicative of that in hospitals where the population in the catchment area has outstripped the facilities offered by the hospital. The problems faced by these hospitals can be resolved only by increased funding and better long-term management. These are the core aims of this motion. Increased funding is required to improve Naas General Hospital. However, neither I nor my party believes that sinking money into health services will, on its own, produce the necessary resources. The increased funding the motion would bring on stream must be targeted correctly to ensure that every hospital ward and patient benefits. Proper targeting of the increased funding over a sustained period would enable health service managers to strategically plan the delivery of health services.

It is obvious the hospital bed crisis affecting every health board region relates to the lack of specialist care facilities in the State. For example, many elderly people recuperating from serious surgery are currently accommodated in ordinary hospital wards. This contributes to the hospital bed crisis and is the result of the inability of health boards to strategically plan delivery of their services. The matter must be addressed urgently, not only to relieve our current logjam, but to ensure a better standard of care for those currently in general hospitals who require more specialised care.

In addition to conditions pertaining in our general hospitals, the health service is also failing to adequately support those members of the community who care for seriously ill and infirm relatives, often at great personal sacrifice to their own lives and that of their families. Many relatives have had to leave the workforce to care for parents or grandparents who are seriously ill and the system has failed to provide a scheme to compensate those people for the losses they incur. Although the numbers of people involved are not great, the State would make a strong statement about the centrality of family life if people who must take this course of action were compensated for their loss.

The home help and home attendant scheme is a major problem in our health system. It is ironic that home helps employed by health boards are among the workers with most to gain from the introduction of a statutory minimum wage. For too long people working in this sector have been taken for granted by the State and are not adequately rewarded for their wonderful work. I urge the Minister to tackle this matter without delay. There should be a common rate for home helps throughout health boards and, at the very least, it must be in the order of £4.40 an hour, the rate proposed as the introductory level for the minimum wage. This basic wage must be granted to home help and home attendant workers as a matter of urgency. They perform an invaluable service to the community and their work and dedication saves the State millions of pounds each year in reduced nursing home costs. It is a national disgrace that their efforts have been ignored for many years. Their pay and conditions must be improved immediately to the basic standard recommended by the National Minimum Wage Commission.

The Minister must also examine the orthodontic service. Many parents who attend my clinics have great difficult getting orthodontic treatment for their children at primary and post-primary level. Also, incapacitated persons or people with serious health problems should not have to pay the maximum telephone charge for a call to a health board outside their district. I urge the Minister to set up a free phone line for health boards.

The concessionary grant which allowed an area administrator to sanction a DPG grant has been withdrawn. Hundreds of applications have been submitted for DPG grants in Kildare but there is no funding. Although the health board had funding available, the persons with a disability have to suffer because area administrators cannot draw down funding from the local authority.

The crises facing the people of Kildare and the wider community served by the Eastern Health Board are not unique. They exist in every health board area. This motion proposes to increase the health budget to facilitate immediate improvements and proposes a system of funding that would be increased steadily over a number of years. This would enable local health service managers to strategically plan for future developments as demographic changes and population shifts become apparent. This is a constructive motion. It does not seek to make political capital out of the pain and suffering endured by patients waiting for treatment. It maps out a new future for health service funding whereby the needs of our health service would be a national priority and funding could be utilised in a strategic manner. More importantly, it is a system of funding that focuses on the standard of care delivered to patients and their families. I commend it to the House.

I wish to share time with Deputies Batt O'Keeffe and Michael Moynihan.

Acting Chairman

Is that agreed? Agreed.

I move amendment No. 1:

To delete all words after "That" and substitute the following:

"Dáil Éireann,

Affirms and supports the many initiatives already taken by the Minister for Health and Children in relation to the provision of improved health and personal social services and in particular,

—The significant overall increase in health expenditure provided in 1998 together with the enhanced multi-annual capital programme put in place up to the year 2000; and

—The increased funding provided for the development of acute hospitals, tackling hospital waiting lists, services for the elderly, child care, mental handicap and other community services;

Further notes with approval the range of commitments contained in the Government's Action Programme for the Millennium and the determination to implement these developments within the life of the Government."

Where is the Minister?

Fan nóimead agus beidh freagra agat i gceann tamail.

I thought he would come into the House for this debate.

I welcome the opportunity for this important debate on the financing and provision of health services. I apologise that the Minister for Health and Children is unable to attend this evening's debate. Unfortunately, he was called away urgently, but he will contribute to the debate tomorrow evening.

A number of basic facts confront anyone examining the provision of health services. There is a deeply held belief that there should be proper public funding of our health services to ensure quality care is available to those who need it. Despite substantial investment in these services by successive Governments, there remains a significant amount of unmet need and health care is by its nature expensive to provide. Those three essential facts add up to the realisation that there is unlikely ever to be sufficient resources to do all that is required. Faced with this reality there must be planning for the necessary improvement of services within the parameters of what is achievable.

The motion from the Labour Party proposes fixing health expenditure at a particular percentage of gross domestic product. There is no easy answer to what is the appropriate level of health spending for any one country. If we look to other countries for guidance we find that within the OECD there is substantial variation in the per capita spend on health. One reason for this variation may be the underlying differences in health care needs attributable to population structures or patterns of disease.

In addition, real differences in the cost of providing health care exist between countries due to factors such as population density and the relative earnings of health professionals. The level of health care provided will also, quite properly, be influenced by the values of a society and the priority attached to health care over other services. It is important also to note that when comparing expenditure on health in a number of countries, measurement differences are likely to arise. The OECD when compiling such figures strives to standardise the comparative data for each country but some distortion is likely to arise where activities which fall within the health domain in one country are recorded by other countries under different expenditure headings.

International comparison, while useful, cannot yield a sole objective measure of the amount of resources a nation should devote to health services. International comparison shows, however, that the level of total resources available within an economy influences the amount spent on health. It would be expected that richer countries would spend more on health in absolute terms and Ireland's low ranking in terms of per capita spend within both the European Union and the OECD reflects the fact that our income per capita has historically been below that of our EU and OECD partners. Our recent economic success means that our standard of living is beginning to converge towards these international averages; the judgment to be made is the rate at which we should increase our health expenditure in real terms.

This Government has already provided a 10 per cent increase in non-capital funding in the current year and I will take the opportunity later to provide an update on these issues which will be considered by the House. Increases for health must be compatible with the overall macro-economic framework adopted by this Government.

As a Government we are determined to carefully manage the economy and our success in this area should allow us to plan for increased resources being available to Health. Continued economic success is the key to improving our social services since this will supply the base on which progress can be sustained over the medium term. It is important to remember that every new development in health services must be supported in the long-term, even in times of relative scarcity.

More than £3 billion in non-capital funding will be spent on the public health services in 1998. This represents about £8.2 million for every day of the year. In seeking further support from the Exchequer it is incumbent on all of us in the health services to ensure that the most cost effective use is being made of our current resources. There is always room for progress and recent reforms within the health services have focused on improving organisational and funding relationships to target resources at areas of greatest need and to bring about a greater ethos of customer service.

While continuing effort is required we should not dismiss our current level of achievement. There are pressures within our services but we are not unique in this. Shortages and deficiencies exist in most health services many of which absorb much greater amounts of money than our own.

The OECD with its international experience is ideally placed to comment on the relative position of our services. In its recent review of the health services the OECD concluded that:

The Irish health system. .. has resulted in a good provision of health care at a relatively low cost to the taxpayer.

Examining some of the detail of this report it can be seen, for example, that substantial increases in the productivity of Irish hospitals were identified. The average length of stay in hospitals was seen to have reduced by 29 per cent since 1980, while better management of hospitals also delivered an increase in the bed occupancy rate to 85 per cent over this period. Since 1987 there has been a 3 per cent annual increase in the number of cases treated in our hospitals with a quadrupling of the number of patients treated on a day case basis. Day cases now represent about 40 per cent of all throughput.

While the overall assessment of our services is positive, it is the case that significant further progress is required. Nineteen ninety eight is the first full year in which this Government has been able to address the necessary improvements in our health services. The net non-capital provision for health in 1998 shows a 10 per cent increase over and above the 1997 outturn.

Further progress has also been made in the capital programme which shows a 12 per cent increase over the 1997 outturn. These increases will allow significant progress to be made during the current year in implementing the Government commitments in An Action Programme for the Millennium.

The Labour Party motion seeks an increase in the number of hospital beds. However the evolution of hospital medicine means that bed numbers are a crude measure of the productive capacity of a hospital. What is much more significant is the ability of a modern hospital to respond to the demand for day care treatment which can be less costly than overnight treatment and care. Also, many more patients can be treated in day care units.

The proper use of outpatient departments is also vital in ensuring that hospitals respond effectively to genuine demand. Therefore, the simple counting of hospital beds is not valid. It is true there has been a decrease in the number of overnight hospital beds compared to ten years ago. However, there has been a significant growth in productivity in that period essentially in day care and outpatient treatment.

While people speak frequently of bed shortages the real issue is that our hospitals, due to the pressure on them, at times may not be able to treat sufficient numbers of elective surgical cases while also managing emergency admissions. Therefore, we must plan to ensure that all general hospital beds are used for those who require appropriate treatment and those patients who are in need of more long-stay care should be cared for in a more appropriate environment.

All of this means there must be a package of initiatives which are directed towards lessening the pressure on acute hospital beds. The package must involve: setting up new facilities for the elderly and chronically sick following appropriate acute hospital stay; developments to relieve pressure on the accident and emergency departments of our general hospitals; co-operation between local general practitioners and general hospitals in the continuing care of patients; focused waiting list initiatives; and, in general, an unceasing concentration on efforts to ensure that the general hospital programme, which consumes almost 50 per cent of total health expenditure, delivers a cost effective service.

It is, therefore, very simplistic for the crude counting of bed numbers to be used as a meaningful measure to determine whether our hospital bed stock is sufficient. The issues are too complex for that simple analysis to have any validity. If one looks at the OECD report on the health services, it can be seen that the services here are delivering a significant growth in productivity. The challenge must be for all of us involved in health services to maintain the increase in productivity so that the taxpayer receives value for money.

I want to concentrate on developments in relation to services for the elderly which, as Minister of State, is one of my key areas of responsibility. The increase in the population of older people, particularly the elderly population, and the care needs of this group will be one of the key issues to be addressed by the health services in the coming years. It is estimated that the older population will grow by almost 108,000 in the period 1996 to 2011, bringing the overall percentage to 14.1 per cent. Significantly, there will proportionately be a bigger increase in the numbers aged 80 years or more who are the most dependent category and the biggest users of long stay nursing home care. The number of over 80 year olds will rise from 21.9 per cent of the over 65 population in 1996 to 24.9 per cent in 2011.

The challenge to the health services is to reorganise existing services and develop new strategies and services to ensure that ill and dependent older people get the most effective care. It is widely recognised that there is a need for improvements in the social, economic and physical well being of our older citizens. We will endeavour to do this during the lifetime of this Government. The Years Ahead — A Policy for the Elderly, which was published in 1988, provides a framework for the development of health, personal social services and housing to assist older people. The cornerstone of policy towards older people recommended in the report is to support older people at home in dignity and independence and, when this is no longer possible, to ensure that ill and dependent older people have access to the highest quality hospital and residential care when they require it. The report outlined what needed to be done to achieve these objectives.

The National Council on Ageing and Older People recently published a review of "The Years Ahead — A Policy for the Elderly". This review provides us with a comprehensive evaluation of the extent to which the recommendations of "The Years Ahead — A Policy for the Elderly" have been implemented and points to areas where a reorientation of policy may be required. This valuable document will help us in shaping future policy on services for older people. With my colleague, the Minister for Health and Children, I will endeavour to deal with some of the service shortcomings for older people identified in the national council's report over the next few years.

In the current year we have put over £7 million additional revenue funding into health services for older people. This will provide, among other things, staffing for new and existing community nursing units and expansion of community services to improve support for older people in their homes. Funding has also been provided for the establishment of specialist services for older people with mental health problems. In addition, a capital programme for older people is close to completion. The programme will involve a significant increase in the level of resources previously made available. It is the intention that this investment will accelerate the provision of extended care facilities, including community nursing units and day care facilities for older people throughout the country, as well as enhancing existing services. A separate non-capital sum of £4 million was provided in 1998 specifically for the cost of subventions towards the cost of care of older people in private nursing homes.

Food safety is one of my areas of particular responsibility and substantial progress has been made during 1998. Funding was provided in the 1998 Vote to allow for setting up the Food Safety Authority of Ireland. The authority has been established on an interim basis by way of statutory instrument under the Health (Corporate Bodies) Act, 1961, with effect from 1 January 1998. This arrangement will allow the authority to recruit staff and put in place the necessary structures in advance of the Bill being enacted. The Bill has now been published and Second Stage will be taken in the Dáil on 3 or 4 June.

The authority will carry out inspections, approvals, licensing and registration of food premises and equipment through the contracts negotiated with the agencies. Where circumstances warrant, the authority's remit shall extend to farms, other places of primary production, water treatment plants and any other source of materials used in food production. It will be responsible for the inspection, sampling and analysis of food and inspection of labelling. In the area of food safety assurance schemes, it will be responsible for the promotion of best practice and preparation of guidelines on raw materials, processing, packaging, preparation, storage and handling. In the formulation of national food policy, the authority will have an advisory role in areas such as food-borne disease and nutrition.

The board of the authority will consist of ten members, including a chairman, appointed by the Minister for Health and Children. The Bill also provides for a scientific committee which will have 15 members appointed by the Minister in consultation with the board. The chairman of the scientific committee will also be a member of the board. The Minister, in appointing members, will have regard to relevant scientific qualifications and experience. The scientific committee will advise on matters referred by the board pertaining to scientific or technical questions, food inspection and nutrition. The board will await the scientific committee's response before deciding any matter referred. This provision is to guarantee the science based nature of the authority.

To ensure that the authority has access to a broad base of views, it will also have a consultative council representative of the wide range of food safety interests. The Minister for Health and Children, the Minister for Agriculture and Food, the Minister for the Marine and Natural Resources and the board of the authority will nominate the membership of this council. The overall thrust of the Bill is to provide the reassurance that consumers seek in the important area of food safety.

The Minister for Health and Children will speak tomorrow night on the developments he has put in place in 1998 and his plans for the future. In addition to my ministerial responsibilities, as a local Deputy I have a keen interest in the provision of services in the Western Health Board area. I was happy with the significant provisions made in 1998 for the development of services in the region. Some £7 million was provided specifically for the development of services. This is over and above general increases for pay, inflation and other increases not related directly to service provision. For example, over £1 million has been provided for the development of cancer services, £500,000 million for the commissioning of new acute units in University College Hospital Galway and Roscommon hospital, £630,000 for the ambulance services, £650,000 for physical disability services, £742,000 for child care services, £900,000 for services for the elderly, £500,000 for the development of dental services and £867,000 in respect of the waiting list initiative. These sums are reflective of the general development of services throughout the country.

As regards capital developments initiated in the Western Health Board region, the development at University College Hospital, Galway, is under way, while other hospital schemes are at various stages of planning, including Mayo General Hospital and Portiuncula Hospital in Ballinasloe.

This Government recognises the pressing needs within the health services and the 1998 Vote provision makes a significant start in addressing them. Specifically, the funding provided allows us to begin to meet the commitments contained in An Action Programme for the Millennium and to achieve the objectives set out in my Department's strategy statement, "Working for Health and Well-Being". The Minister for Health and Children will seek increased funding for the health services in the context of the multi-annual budget exercise covering the years 1999-2001 to deal with the increased cost of the core service provision. These costs arise due to pressures caused by new technology, demographic factors, legislative obligations and other factors. The second area for which funding is required is to continue progress already under way in meeting the capital and revenue commitments in the Government programme.

It will not be easy to secure the necessary increased funding, given the genuine demands for increases from other Departments and the requirement on the Government to balance the overall picture in order that the nation's current economic performance can be sustained.

I share the views of our Labour colleagues that additional resources should be devoted to the health services. I am equally sure the House will agree this must be achieved in a balanced and equitable manner having regard to the overall viability of our economy.

In view of the foregoing I commend the Government's amendment to the House.

The health service has an insatiable appetite and no matter what amount is allocated to it, it is difficult to satisfy all demands. This motion which has come from the Labour Party smacks of opportunism and leaves that party open to a left upper cut. That party has a short memory. In Government it was tight fisted and uncaring and did not show a great deal of concern for health issues. In Opposition it has become irresponsible once more and claims more and more money is the panacea for everything. The Labour Party was in Government with Fine Gael for two and a half years. That it has the cheek to introduce this motion suggests it has little else to play with except the ailments of people and to hype up emotions on this issue——

Spending has fallen this year.

——on the basis that the Government's standing is so high that it will receive some recognition. I remind the Labour Party and Fine Gael that for two and a half years they were in Government. In that time we had a Fine Gael Minister for Health and if one lived outside the pale of Limerick, it was as if one did not exist.

We did not say anything.

Deputy Bradford will agree the southern health board hospitals in Cork were totally ignored by the then Minister, Deputy Noonan. He starved Cork University Hospital of funds. He did not recognise the difficulties in that hospital. The greatest insult was that the Minister did not visit the main hospital in the Southern Health Board area to view the difficulties which we outlined here on many occasions. He forgot to give it money for equipment. In an independent report he forgot there was a shortage of the order of 90 consultants, yet none were appointed during his term of office. He forgot that a building programme had to be carried out. He forgot that major waiting list strategies had to be attended to. In contrast — and within weeks of being in Government — the Minister, Deputy Cowen, visited Cork University Hospital, met staff, students and management and saw at first hand the difficulties in the Southern Health Board area. Immediately he made money available: £2 million for equipment and for consultancy appointments whether cancer, oncology or accident and emergency. As a member of the Southern Health Board this was the first time I saw a direct interest being taken in Cork by the Minister. An additional £2 million has been provided for nursing and consultancy services. Money has been provided for community services, physical disability, the elderly and child care services. The funding provided for cardiac services and cardiology in Cork has been doubled in those two areas and the number of procedures has doubled from 265 to well over 500 per annum as a result of the Minister's intervention. While there are still problems there has been a major increase in the funding provided.

I take this opportunity to ask the Minister to undertake a nationwide survey. I am concerned at the number of people who turn up at accident and emergency departments. What percentage of those people should be in accident and emergency departments? On one day in Cork University Hospital 78 people went through the accident and emergency department. Some 17 of those people should not have been in the accident and emergency department. How widespread is that practice?

It has been suggested that one-third of those entering the accident and emergency departments should not be there. Should more people be treated in GP surgeries? Are more people by-passing GP surgeries? Is there a difficulty in answering call-outs at night? Are people going directly to the accident and emergency departments? For the benefit of those who are to be processed in accident and emergency departments in the future such a review is necessary. The difficulties for staff and consultants in accident and emergency departments include the number of beds occupied, the amount of time wasted when needy patients could receive treatment earlier, the number of hours people have to wait which could be reduced. In that area alone significant adjustments could be made. For that reason it is important that that matter be examined.

The Minister has placed great emphasis on examining waiting lists and waiting times. It is not right that children and elderly people should have to wait for treatment for six or 12 months. In the short time since the Minister came into office he has increased the level of funding to reduce waiting lists from £8 million in 1997 to £12 million. Also an independent review body is examining the waiting list initiative and hoping to report back to him at the end of June. This will avoid simplistic solutions and allow us to analyse the causes of the problem and ensure we have identified the best way of dealing with those problems.

Last year this Minister was happy to provide £16 million for services to persons with a mental handicap. This is made up of additional funding of £10.75 million for revenue and capital funding of £5.25 million in 1998 to continue the process of delivering——

The smallest allocation in five years.

Deputy Shortall is not in any position to be critical because when she was in Government she did not make any effort to ensure that the Minister for Health——

Look at the facts.

Please, Deputy Shortall, the Deputy's time is almost concluded.

——made an enormous contribution in terms of the length of waiting lists.

It is a reversal of the progress made.

The Deputy's time is concluded.

The Minister has been proactive in the short time he has been in Government. He has expended enormous energy and care in everything he has done. With the budget he outlined and the commitments he has given I am satisfied that by the end of his tenure an excellent health service will have been delivered to the people because it will be based on a caring service and an excellent strategy. That is what the people want.

Did the Minister write that speech for the Deputy?

I would like to share my time with Deputies Bradford and Ring and the remaining ten minutes tomorrow with Deputies Neville and Deenihan.

The Deputy is sharing time with Deputies Bradford, Ring, Neville and Deenihan.

In the brief time available to me I want to make two extremely important points which should determine primarily our approach to the health service. Our objective should be to ensure we do not develop a two-tier health service which is structurally put in place and which results in immediate health care being available to those who can afford it and those who have access to the Voluntary Health Insurance Board, BUPA and, in particular, the higher cost insurance schemes, and have in place a secondary service which results in people who require vital surgery and medical care being left endlessly on hospital waiting lists. We should have an inclusive and not an exclusive health service.

I commend the motion from Deputy Shortall which the Fine Gael Party will support. It is appropriate to examine where we stand with the health service, the promises made by the Progressive Democrats and Fianna Fáil at the last general election with regard to what they would do to improve the health service, and the programme for Government they put in place.

The amendment to the Labour Party's motion tabled by the Minister of State, Deputy Moffatt, does not bear any credibility. He asked the Dáil to note with approval the range of commitments contained in the Government's An Action Programme for the Millennium and the determination to implement these developments within the life of the Government. For a determined group of people they have achieved very little because in the proposals contained in An Action Programme for the Millennium — a rather inappropriately named document which should be called the inaction programme — a number of key priorities are listed. Not one of these priorities has been fully implemented or addressed in a manner that would have been expected by the electorate that supported these two parties. I do not have the time to go through each of the items listed but suffice to say that the Government has abysmally failed to implement any of its designated priorities in its health programme.

Deputy O'Keeffe referred to the Minister constantly looking at the hospital waiting lists. My image of the Minister and the hospital waiting lists is that when he is looking at them he is doing so with a bemused expression on his face because under this Government the hospital waiting lists, which had started to shrink during the lifetime of the previous Government, have continued to grow. Hospital waiting list figures of 26,000 up to the end of December, inherited by this Government, have now grown to almost 32,500.

I want to refer to the hospital waiting lists and the manner in which the Government is dealing with statistics. This Government is seeking to suppress the true nature of the hospital waiting lists to ensure that when statistical information becomes available, it is so outdated as to fail to give us a clear indicator of where we stand with our hospital services. It is my understanding that quarterly figures are prepared by the health boards and submitted to the Department to indicate the state of hospital waiting lists.

It is not acceptable that when I, in a Dáil question today, sought the up to date figures as at 31 March 1998 I am told, possibly because of this debate, that the only figures available are those to the end of December 1997. It should have been possible to have the up-to-date figures available for this debate indicating the state of hospital waiting lists at the end of the first quarter of 1998. This is from a Government which produced Working for Health and Wellbeing and talks about improving and facilitating the availability of information. It is not good enough that we do not have those figures and I challenge the Minister for Health and Children, who will address this debate tomorrow, to produce the up-to-date hospital waiting list figures. If he cannot do so he should tell the House the reason.

The waiting list figures have continued to grow at an unacceptable rate placing the lives of those in need of essential surgery at risk. The accident and emergency departments of hospitals throughout the State too frequently resemble a chaotic war zone with patients left unattended and in pain. There has been a collapse in public confidence in the ability of some health boards to provide essential protection for children at risk, and totally unacceptable delays in the commencement of investigations into allegations of child abuse. To date, the Minister has totally failed to bring into operation the breast cancer and cervical cancer screening programmes. He has failed to address the need for a prostate cancer screening programme.

The new Tallaght hospital has difficulties that I have regularly raised both inside and outside the House. This hospital, which should be a starship within our medical system with a trust of a unique nature set up to run it, has been starved of essential resources by the Minister. On opening day, more than half the operating theatres in the hospital will remain closed. Seven dialysis stations will remain closed. Physiotherapy and hydrotherapy facilities will remain closed. Major hydrotherapy facilities built to benefit physiotherapy patients are being covered by a temporary flooring and a huge facility, paid for by the taxpayer to provide enhanced services, is being turned into a storage facility for hospital records. That is an extraordinary way to deal with a new hospital.

Amidst all this chaos, the Minister for Health and Children seems to be in a condition of political paralysis as he views the possibility of industrial action by eight doctors serving the BTSB which creates the risk of the entire blood service closing down within days. I have publicly called on the doctors involved and the BTSB to use the industrial relations mechanisms that are available to resolve that dispute. Apparently the BTSB is refusing to talk to the IMO which represents the doctors. An utter scandal is taking place at a time when the BTSB is trying to restore public confidence in its operation. The BTSB should actively seek to use the industrial dispute mechanisms available, not deal with this issue in a head-on confrontation with medical officers on whom it is dependent to provide a service.

The first 11 months of this Government in office have been a health service disaster for patients who are our primary concern as health service consumers. Sadly, to date, the two Government parties have betrayed the many promises made by them to the electorate at the last election. I could detail those to a greater degree than I have time for this evening. I am merely touching on areas that deserve to be mentioned.

Deputy Shortall correctly referred to failures in the area of mental handicap. The Government's record in that area is a national disgrace.

I dispute that.

The Government is not coming to terms with the need not only for day care and residential care but the need to provide proper respite care for elderly parents who are at the end of their tether looking after mentally handicapped adult children. There is a broad spectrum of issues with which this Government is not coming to terms.

We hear much about the Celtic tiger. As this country advances economically, those who are less economically fortunate are entitled to look to Government to provide for them a full and comprehensive health service so that they know that if they need health care, it is available to them. It is unacceptable that there are waiting lists of this order. According to the waiting lists of last December, there are 1,370 people awaiting cardiac surgery. In the cardiology area, there are 1,299 awaiting services and in gynaecology, there are 2,216. These lists are growing steadily. We do not know their levels today. It is simply not good enough from the European country——

The previous Government did not spend as much in its last year in office.

—with the highest level of economic growth. It is the obligation of this Government as there is renewed economic prosperity to ensure that is reflected in the level and type of health service which we provide for the people.

I propose to share the remaining time with my colleague, Deputy Ring.

I welcome the initiative taken by the Labour Party in bringing forward this motion. It allows us the opportunity to give an early progress report on the state of the Government's health policy. I concede that, with the Government not even 12 months in power, it would be unfair to condemn it too strongly. However, I concur with what Deputy Shatter said about many of the promises made and many of the promises in An Action Programme for the Millennium. We have yet to see the commencement of many of those proposals.

As the Minister of State Deputy Moffatt has responsibility with regard to health care for the elderly, I will briefly refer to some of the problems in that area and some of the issues which need to be addressed. On the lack of beds, both at nursing home and geriatric levels, in almost every health board region even with the relative success of the nursing home subvention scheme, people are finding it impossible to find approved nursing home beds. There is a need for an initiative at State level by way of investment in geriatric and district hospitals. We also need an initiative to ensure that further private beds are available.

We must ensure that the nursing home subvention scheme is made more attractive. The present maximum rate of subvention of £120 per week is the rate allowed when the scheme was introduced. Nursing home costs and the weekly cost to the patient have increased substantially since and the rate of subvention must be increased accordingly.

In advance of next year's budget the Minister should discuss the carer's allowance scheme with his colleague in the Department of Social, Community and Family Affairs. It is a valuable scheme. It has resulted in many people, who otherwise would have to seek permanent hospital care, being able to remain in the comfort of their homes. The means testing and the methodology used to determine a person's eligibility or otherwise must be reviewed. It would be an economically sound Government policy to redefine the scheme and make it more possible for people to claim that allowance.

The two health insurance companies recently indicated that they may seek a redefinition of community rating to allow an extra charge to be levied on elderly people who wish to join health insurance for the first time. I am disappointed the Minister did not indicate immediately that the Government would not concede to such a proposal. The Government, and the Minister of State Deputy Moffatt, as the Minister with responsibility for care for the elderly, needs to say publicly, clearly and quickly that community rating in its broadest sense will be retained and that no elderly people who wish to join health insurance companies for the first time will be penalised.

The Minister mentioned the 1988 document The Years Ahead. That document has not been implemented to any great extent. It needs to be updated and put into operation. I hope we will have further opportunities, both at the Select Committee on Health and Children and at Question Time, to address that. That document was meant to give hope and confidence to the rapidly growing population of elderly. We need to see action stemming from it.

I disagree with my colleague Deputy Shatter when he said we could create a two-tier system. We have a two-tier system. With this system, money speaks all languages. If a person has the money, he or she can have a hip, eye or heart operation done in the next three weeks. If a person has a medical card and is waiting for health services, he or she could wait up to a couple of years. I can prove that. A constituent of mine was waiting for an MRI scan which was to be done in October. I wrote to Beaumont Hospital to see when he could be taken as a private patient and received a letter in reply stating he could be dealt with in April.

I am glad the Minister, Deputy Moffatt, is present. I am sorry that Deputy Fahey is not here because he is the man who has responsibility for children.

The Deputy should not forget that his party was in Government not too long ago.

The Minister of State Deputy Fahey told the health board on every occasion what Fianna Fáil would do when it got into Government. He has not been heard of or seen since it got into Government and has done nothing about the orthodontic service.

I wrote to a health board official about a constituent and received a reply stating that the matter would take 22 months. I wrote to him a month later and the waiting time had increased to 24 months. Then the smart Alec wrote to me to say that statistics have proven that one could receive orthodontic service up to the age of 85. It is fine for him; he will have a pension when he retires and his salary on a Friday evening. It was a disgraceful remark from a health board official. He forgot that the people might be dead before they reached 85. He is used to sending out appointments to people who are dead and has caused great upset and distress to families as a result. If he wants a job with RTE, I am sure they will fix him up with one because there is a shortage of comics. He is not doing too well in the health board with the waiting list.

He must be happy with the Minister for Health's performance in County Mayo.

I know the party he supports. I suppose that is part of the problem. It is probably why he is there.

The Deputy was happy last Thursday.

With regard to waiting lists, Deputy Bradford spoke about the elderly for whom Deputy Moffatt has responsibility and Deputy Shortall spoke about home help. Since the Minister came into office the health board is assessing old people and asking how much money they have in the house and in the bank. If they have a few pounds saved, the health board will not allow them home help. That is the case since the Minister came into office. I want him to deal with that problem. On the other hand another Minister is telling the elderly——

Some £22 million for County Mayo; zero when the Deputy's party was in office.

Deputy Ring without interruption.

The Deputy's problem is that she has stayed in Beaumont Hospital and the Blackrock Clinic. She knows nothing about the problems of County Mayo. I want the Minister to do something about that. We are advising old people. They are being robbed and beaten up in their homes. The Minister is now asking them to keep money at home because if one has a few pounds saved in a bank or post office the health board will not allow them a home help.

I never said that.

(Interruptions.)

Deputy Ring without interruption. Deputy Ring, if you address your remarks to the Chair, you might not invite interruptions.

I hope the Minister corrects the health board. I know Deputy Cooper-Flynn would castrate everybody in the county if they had any kind of medical problem. I will not tolerate any more lecturing from her.

Deputy Shatter is correct. Since Fianna Fáil took office, the waiting lists have grown longer. It is a disgrace.

Not so. Statistics will prove it.

They have lost control. There are people waiting for cataract operations, heart operations and many other operations. What happened to the £600,000 or £700,000 allocated to the dental service? It is not being spent on young children who are not getting the service they want. The biggest outcry in my constituency and in the Western Health Board area generally is in relation to the orthodontic service. Children are having their teeth examined and told that they will be sent for in three or four years' time. That is not good enough. Families cannot afford to get private treatment. That is what the Minister wants them to do, but they cannot do that because they do not have the money.

The health boards have an appalling record on disabled person's grants and special aid for the elderly. I am asking the Minister to hand responsibility over to the county councils. They are competent to deal with this situation.

Debate adjourned.
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