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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 8 Oct 1998

Vol. 494 No. 6

Western Development Commission Bill, 1998: Second Stage (Resumed).

Question again proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

I commend the Government for putting the Western Development Commission on to a statutory basis. This is an indication of the Government's dedication to development in the west. Until recently, there has been much discussion on the issue of Objective One status for the west and this has resulted in a great deal of media attention on the need for development in this area. Those of us living in the west, however, have known for some time that the west has fallen behind both economically and socially. This was pointed out in the ESRI report published last December.

I welcome the establishment of the Western Development Commission which will cover the five counties of Connacht as well as Donegal and Clare. I hope that when the board is set up, made up of a chairman and 11 members, each county will have a representative on the board.

A fund of £25 million has been allocated to the Western Development Commission — £2 million this year and £5 million next year, with the position being reviewed in 1999. However, a sum of £25 million is a pittance when one considers the job that has to be done in the west. Provided the money is distributed evenly over the seven counties, £2 million this year and £5 million next year will mean approximately £800,000 per county. When money is being spent and projects evaluated, I ask the Minister to consider distributing the money evenly among the seven counties because they are all in need of development in their own right.

I welcome the fact that the maximum amount of funding is £250,000 and that the decision to approve amounts above this figure can be referred to the Minister. That is important because many worthy projects in the west involving job production may require more funds, including some jobs in relation to infrastructure.

I welcome the fact that there will be close liaison with all Government Departments, particularly with Ministers representing areas in the west. I compliment the Minister of State, Deputy Davern, on getting this matter sorted out so quickly and bringing together the Ministers representing the west to enable——

We have none in the west.

——this legislation to be brought before the Dáil. The dedication of the Minister of State in visiting various counties in the west over the past months is an indication of the Government's commitment in this regard. Unfortunately, the previous Government talked a great deal about the problem but did not get around to addressing it.

They introduced this concept.

Objective One status is the most important issue to those of us in the west. It has been given much media attention but a great deal of misinformation has been disseminated on this issue. The facts are simple. In the west, along with the Northern and midlands counties, our income per capita expressed in GDP terms is less than 75 per cent of the EU average. Under EU rules, therefore, we qualify for Objective One status. On the eastern side of the country, particularly in Dublin, income per capita, again expressed in GDP terms, is 111 per cent of the EU average. On simple mathematics that region cannot qualify for Objective One status in the future.

In dividing the country into two regions, we are not taking anything away from the eastern area. I object to the attacks made by Deputies representing that area when they say we are creating a rural-urban divide. I worked in Dublin for ten years and I am aware there are blackspots in the city, but with an income per capita of 68 per cent of the EU average, the west has many blackspots also. In my county incomes would be at a much lower rate. Counties like Galway, for example, have prospered over the years but counties like Mayo have fallen behind. I do not deny that there are blackspots and areas of disadvantage in the capital but they also exist in rural areas.

Currently the east coast qualifies for Objective One status in transition but we in the west qualify for Objective One status and everything should be done by the Government to ensure that status is given to the west, some of the Northern counties and counties in the midlands on the grounds that they qualify for it. The west represents a natural region. It is not possible to take out streets or unemployment blackspots from a city and apply Objective One status to those areas. Every city throughout Europe has blackspots and we have to acknowledge that.

I welcome the positive comments made by the Taoiseach in the House in answering questions on this issue. I am aware he is examining it carefully and has demonstrated a clear understanding of the facts that will affect this decision. I am hopeful that when the Government discusses the EU Structural Funds with the European Commission, it will put forward regionalisation as its stated position. All we are asking for is equity and fair play. The original idea behind Structural Funds was to have a convergence of incomes in this country. Unfortunately, in the past six years the people in the west have fallen further behind and that is why the Bill is so urgently required.

I welcome the Bill and compliment the Minister on bringing it forward. I hope that in the months ahead we will see some improvement both economically and socially in the west.

On behalf of Democratic Left I welcome the Bill and we will support its passage through the Dáil.

The decision to establish a Western Development Commission was taken by the last Government. The commission was established on a non-statutory basis by that Government pending the introduction of legislation. We are pleased that legislation is now before the Dáil. We should also acknowledge the role of the Council for the West established through the initiative of the western Catholic bishops which lobbied strongly for the establishment of a statutory development agency for the west.

I represent an urban constituency in this House but as somebody who was born, brought up and educated in the west I am well aware and indeed have personal experience of the unique problems faced by the west arising from its relative isolation, inadequate infrastructure and poor access to many public services.

It would be wrong, however, to paint a picture of a region in terminal decline. The west has much to be proud of — outstanding natural and scenic beauty, its heritage, clean environment and extensive coastline, its attractiveness as a place to live and its existing industrial base, all of which offer considerable potential for development. Not all of the land in the west is of poor quality; there is much good agricultural land in the region.

There is much success in the west and a great deal of physical evidence of achievement and wealth, but it is clearly not being shared out equally. That is one of the issues the commission will have to examine. Even the population drain has been halted. Of the seven counties covered by the remit of the commission, six experienced population increases between 1991 and 1996 —— Clare increased by 3.4 per cent, Galway by 4.7 per cent and only Leitrim showed a loss of population in that period. That does not make up for the substantial decline experienced in earlier decades, a loss which continues to have a negative impact on the region and which has distorted the demography of many areas of the west.

Rural poverty tends to be less visible than its urban counterpart. While poverty in the cities tends to be concentrated in highly visible urban blackspots, poverty in rural Ireland is often hidden away down boreens or on the sides of mountains, often represented by elderly people living on their own. The poverty is exacerbated by isolation and remoteness from services.

We should not make the mistake of equating rural poverty solely with farming. Notwithstanding the very real difficulties currently facing agriculture, virtually all studies show that the percentage of farmers identified as being at risk from poverty has declined steadily. For instance, the National Anti-Poverty Strategy produced by the last Government shows that when income is combined with the basic deprivation indicator, farmers make up only 3 per cent of those at risk from poverty in 1994 in comparison with 6 per cent in 1987.

Agriculture is and will remain a key element in the economic life of the west, but farming on its own will not be able to give the region the lift it needs. That requires a wide range of social, economic and infrastructural initiatives, and this is recognised in the wide range of functions for the commission set out in section 8. Although I acknowledge the Minister of State's role in bringing the Bill to the House, is it appropriate that the sponsoring Government Department is the Department of Agriculture and Food?

I am concerned by how duplication is to be avoided between the commission and other agencies with a similar remit. For instance, Clare is within the commission's area of responsibility, yet SFADCo already has responsibility for industry, tourism and rural development in Clare. The same case could be made for Údarás na Gaeltachta and the Gaeltacht areas. How is duplication of work with national agencies which have similar objectives to the commission to be avoided? These issues should be teased out.

What financial resources are to be made available to the commission? Section 21 states that the Minister for Agriculture and Food may, with the consent of the Minister for Finance, advance to the commission, out of moneys provided by the Oireachtas, such sums as the Minister may determine. I know that approximately £25 million has already been promised to the Western Development Fund, but only £2.5 million has been allocated in the current year. However, no indication is given in the Bill or its memorandum as to the likely level of ongoing finance that will be available to the commission. It will clearly need substantial long-term funding if it is to make the desired impact in the west.

The commission has worked away pending the introduction of this legislation and has produced an impressive programme of action. I wish the commission well and hope this legislation marks the beginning of a new and exciting phase in the development of the west. However, we must be cautious that while addressing the genuine disadvantage of one region we do not discriminate against other regions or communities with equal if not greater needs for attention.

The reported intention of the Government to seek Objective One status only for the 13 midland and western counties in the next round of EU Structural Funds is most unfortunate. This approach will discriminate against communities living in deprivation and poverty in cities like Dublin, Limerick and Cork as well as rural areas outside the stated Objective One counties. The annual report of the Combat Poverty Agency, published last month, was the latest in a series of reports and studies which have identified disadvantaged urban neighbourhoods as a key source of poverty. However, the Government is pursuing a strategy of seeking Objective One status for just 13 counties, placing other areas at a disadvantage when it comes to securing vital EU funding. The Combat Poverty Agency noted that poverty and social exclusion are found throughout every county and that Structural Fund expenditure to tackle those problems is required in all regions.

If we want to tackle poverty and disadvantage, it is essential that reductions in Structural Funds be kept to a minimum and that the process is managed effectively. Seeking Objective One status for particular counties means all people in those counties stand to benefit regardless of their income. I see no case for funding large conference centres, golf courses and other trappings of the corporate sector in those 13 counties designated for Objective One status while serious urban poverty and schemes to tackle that poverty are neglected in urban areas. It makes far more sense to categorise the entire country in the same way, thus allowing the targeting of funds to tackle the problems of poverty and unemployment which are found in both urban and rural areas, rather than putting all the funding into particular geographical areas.

I emphasise that I do not object to the midland and western counties getting their fair share of EU Structural Funds. I object to the fact that some of the poorest areas in the country are being deprived of an opportunity to get a crucial share of this EU funding because of their geographical location. There is no guarantee that dividing the country in two will result in any more funding. It will create a new border that will cut the country in half physically and cut the majority of poor people off from this vital funding.

I also challenge the basis on which this case is being made. A valuable study was recently published by two Trinity College economists, Dr. P. J. Drudy and Dr. Michael Punch entitled "The Regional Problem: Regional Incomes and Urban Deprivation." Dr. Drudy in particular has been a very strong advocate of regional policy over the years. He was arguing for regional development and emphasising the west of Ireland when it was much less popular than it is now.

The study is highly significant. It establishes that the basis for GDP and income on which this case has been made — Deputy Cooper-Flynn quoted these figures earlier — is totally distorted. For example, the calculation of GDP and income in Dublin includes every penny paid out in wages by organisations' headquarters in Dublin to people who are not necessarily living or working in Dublin. I accept that every western Deputy arguing for Objective One status for his area is making a genuine argument, but his income shows up as income in Dublin because he is paid by the Oireachtas and the Department of Finance. It is the same for every engineer in the Office of Public Works paid from St. Stephen's Green and every teacher paid from Marlborough Street. If workers are paid from Dublin, though they may be living and working in Clare or Sligo or elsewhere, their income shows up as Dublin income. The calculation on which this case is based is a total distortion and needs to be looked at.

Dr. Drudy notes in his study that when one looks more closely at income, Dublin falls behind the midlands and southeast in the lowest income group, which is income under £136 per week. Dublin also falls behind in the categories of £136 to £269 and £269 to £472 per week. Dublin is ahead of other areas only in the category of more than £472 per week. Again, that distorts the overall calculation of income in Dublin. The study also shows that one cannot look solely at income. The cost of living must also be examined, and the study shows that the cost of living in Dublin is high, which results in a purchasing disadvantage. For example, the average Dublin household income is £51 per week higher than the midlands, but the cost of living in Dublin is £95 higher per week, which results in a purchasing disadvantage in Dublin of £44 per week. When the figures are computed to decide which regions retain Objective One status, the cost of living and the much higher cost of housing in Dublin and the eastern area are not factored into the equation.

Another aspect which does not appear to have been taken into account is unemployment. Dublin has performed significantly worse than other regions in the area of industrial employment, losing 26 per cent over the 1971-96 period. It may be argued that much of this has been compensated for by an increase in service employment. However, much of it is low paid and part-time. Overall employment in the Dublin region has increased by 31 per cent over the past two decades, which is great news. However, the labour force has increased by 43 per cent over the same period. This means job provision in the Dublin area has fallen a long way behind the growth in the labour force.

The problem is particularly acute in the area of long-term unemployment. Much has been said about its concentration and the consequential concentration of social, economic and income problems in what are called "blackspots". No poverty in this country is as bad as that in the concentrations of urban poverty in the blackspots of Dublin, Limerick, Cork and other cities. It would be astonishing if the Government were to produce a formula for Objective One status which identified for the European Union the areas in greatest need of attention from European funding and excluded the very areas which have the highest levels of unemployment, social problems and poverty.

It is not a question of geographically dividing the country, although I understand the pressures on Members of the House to make a case for their county and region. All of us are very good at stating the case for our own constituency. However, regarding Structural Funds, which will shape the way the country will develop over the next decade, there must be fairness, equity and consistency in their allocation. No one can fail to appreciate that the economy is marvellous and is going well. We all want that to continue. However, there is a huge problem with distribution and the gap between those benefiting from the economic success and those who are not is widening dramatically. It is most obvious in the areas of urban poverty where there are high levels of unemployment and poverty and a very high degree of social alienation. This manifests itself in many ways, in the drugs problem, in anti-social behaviour and in people dropping out from school. There is a whole range of problems associated with concentrated poverty and unemployment. It is necessary, not just in the interest of the areas concerned but also in the interest of social cohesion throughout the country, that those areas are dealt with. It would be wrong if the country were divided into areas with Objective One status and other areas on what is a spurious economic basis. The figures do not stand up when closely examined.

There is now a case, having regard to what is happening in terms of development and transport, to move away from splitting the country into regions for European funding. The country has traditionally been regarded as one region for European funding. There may well be an argument that it should not have been from the beginning, but it was and it does not make much sense to change that now. Let us take the example of the commuter belt around Dublin. An arc can be drawn from Dundalk through Athlone down to Wexford within which people live and commute to Dublin. How can it be argued that they are in different regions? Athlone is only 15 or 16 miles from Ballinasloe. Deputy Connaughton would know better as he travels the road more often.

It is a million miles from Dublin.

This is not a country where areas and regions are so remote from each other that they justify this type of division, especially on a spurious economic basis.

I understand this question is to be decided shortly by the Government. It should not make the decision to favour one part of the country over another as that would be very divisive. It is economically unsound at any rate and it is grossly unfair to the areas in greatest need as many will be excluded from Objective One status.

We all welcome the opportunity to comment on this issue. I am sure Deputy Gilmore, when he spoke on Objective One status, had a different agenda to that which Deputy Connaughton or I would have, and a totally different one to that which he would have had he remained in County Mayo where he was born.

I was born in County Galway.

I am sorry. I did not realise the line was that thin.

It is very important.

It is certainly very important this year. We all welcome the Bill as it shows the Government's commitment to dealing with the situation which has developed in the west.

This initiative resulted from the bishops' initiative of the early 1990s. Everyone supported it because we had all seen the destruction which had taken place in terms of population loss, especially the loss of the highly educated. Deputy Gilmore is an example. He, like many others, found that he could make a better living for himself by moving to Dublin rather than, like the rest of us, remaining in the west. I do not blame him for doing that because, if circumstances had been different, I might not have been here.

I will revise my opinion on that.

We all realise that the west and northwest have suffered severely since the foundation of the State. Prior to that, there was a different regional breakdown. The people from the northwest gravitated towards Belfast, which was the commercial centre for that part of the country. After the division of the country, the people of the region then gravitated towards Dublin. Down the years, the population of the west has declined at an enormous rate. That loss of people has had a devastating effect on businesses, for example. If there is not the population, businesses cannot be maintained. There was also the loss of people involved in various activities, such as farmers and their families. Most Civil Service jobs, until Fianna Fáil decided on decentralisation, were located in Dublin. That was part of the policy of various Governments for 40 years.

We are now trying to reverse that. The £25 million being provided will enable the commission to aid projects which could not be aided under existing incentive schemes. Small contributions can mean the difference between success and failure.

I thank the Minister of State, Deputy Davern, who has responsibility for western development. His efforts on this issue, Leader and other projects, and his willingness to visit these areas and meet local groups to see the problems, has been widely appreciated. He has shown commitment to his brief.

Deputy Gilmore gave a dissertation on Objective One status. Given that the Deputy comes from the west, I am surprised he did not even know how far it is to Athlone, despite the fact that it is on his route home. This proves that those who leave the west return only occasionally. It also means the west will have to create its own future; it will not be created from Dublin.

Objective One status is a necessity for the development of rural areas. Deputy Gilmore can cite figures such as the number of teachers paid by the Department of Education and Science in Marlborough Street. However, teachers do not make up a large proportion of the population in the west. It is disingenuous to use salaries paid by Departments in Dublin as a means of increasing the GDP in the west which has been proved to be below the national average.

There are deprived areas in inner cities. However, it is not in our best interests to remove Objective One status from communities which are trying to help themselves and which are entitled to that status. Politicians will continue to fight to maintain Objective One status for regions which are entitled to it. The Government will deal with this issue in a favourable manner. Objective One status is our only chance of maintaining and attracting industry to the west. The choice is simple if the west has the same grantaid status as Dublin. There are additional costs involved in doing business in the west which do not arise in Dublin or the east.

The road network in the west must also be improved. This is progressing but not as fast as we would wish. I welcome the important initiative taken by the Minister for Public Enterprise, Deputy O'Rourke, in providing funding for improving the rail network in the west. Deputy Gilmore spoke about commuters. High speed rail links might enable us to widen the commuter belt to include parts of the west. This issue will have to be examined. Why are house prices roughly three to four times higher in Dublin than in the west, if the west is as prosperous as Deputy Gilmore suggests? This proves that Dublin is seen as having a brighter future than the west.

I appeal to the Minister of State to ensure that all counties are represented on the board of the commission. This is imperative as counties will feel left out if they are not represented. The board is big enough to facilitate such representation. Some of the underprivileged counties might be entitled to additional representation.

Two for County Leitrim.

I will settle for two for Leitrim without any problem.

The Deputy is subdividing again.

All counties must be represented on the board. It is also important that those appointed are capable of doing the job. There is an onus on every board to ensure funds are properly dispersed. Executives may do a good job but board members make the decisions. A decision should not be taken by an organisation which does not have the full support of the board. I am a member of an enterprise board. On occasions we have changed some of the decisions made by the evaluation committees. This is not done in a negative sense. However, we have discovered that local knowledge is an important advantage when making decisions. People who know the individuals with whom they are dealing are in a better position to make decisions which are in the best interests of their organisations. This is why it is imperative that all counties are represented on the board.

Twenty five million pounds is a significant amount of money. The commission will have £2 million to spend this year. I am sure it will be difficult to find projects suitably advanced to disburse this money by the end of the year. Next year the commission will have £5 million. As time passes we hope to see benefits for the communities we represent. We represent rural communities which do not have many large towns or cities. Rural areas have been the biggest losers. With the support of the entire House, this Bill is an attempt to regenerate the west. I wish Deputy Davern and all involved in the commission every success. If successful, this project will be a mechanism to deal with some of the other underprivileged areas in towns and cities mentioned by Deputy Gilmore. If there is to be subdivision, let it be positive subdivision.

Fine Gael welcomes this Bill. Like many other Members, I have always advocated such a Bill and I thank the Minister of State for introducing it. It was suggested that the Bill was slow to be introduced but I hope the Western Development Commission will do what it should do.

I recall the western bishops' initiative and acknowledge the role played by the bishops and the five farmers who began this process. Five or six years ago they went to see their bishops following a meeting on milk quotas in Loughrea which I attended.

There have been many initiatives in the west, some of which worked. Others duplicated the work of existing agencies. This initiative has a better chance of success as it has a legislative basis and because of the continuity involved. Committees come and go but if there is not goodwill towards them they will not succeed. Neither will the Western Development Commission succeed in the absence of goodwill. The legislation being put through will provide the necessary continuity and back-up for this initiative.

The Western Development Commission is an umbrella organisation for many developments in the west. If people in towns and villages such as Ballina, Athenry, Tubbercurry and so on do not see this commission as a vehicle by which to use their experience and knowledge to better their own areas and if they are not encouraged to get involved, it will not work. I accept that £25 million is a considerable sum but in the overall context it is not a huge sum, particularly when spread over five or six years. We have to start at ground level and so far I am satisfied with what I have seen. We all know what has happened in Kiltimagh but there are hundreds of similar areas. Taking it at face value, it was a town without a future and where young people could not be educated quickly enough to get out. That is replicated right across the west. I have been in this business sufficiently long to recognise that some towns will progress while others will not and it is difficult to identify the reasons for that.

I hope, through the various mechanisms employed by the Western Development Commission, those communities will understand that if they have a plan and decide to come together for the greater good of their community they will be helped, without resort to Dublin. That is the important point. Despite what Deputy Gilmore has said, the problem is that if one has to get a standard type biro one may have to go to Dublin for it. Every report I have read in the past indicated that was the problem. It is difficult to understand how Members can come into the House and welcome the legislation for the setting up of the Western Development Commission and at the same time say the area is not entitled to Objective One status. I do not understand the logic involved. One welcomes the Western Development Commission because it has the same effect as Objective One status.

Part of this fund is earmarked for community development projects. Given my limited contact with the Western Development Commission I am pleased with its level of expertise. Regardless of how it spends its time from here on, it should never forget that it must instill into communities confidence to do things to which no State agency could aspire.

I attended a community meeting in Athenry, County Galway recently and I hope the plans for Athenry, my local community, Mountbellew, and many other communities throughout the province will be carried out successfully. The Minister will understand better than most that community development projects are usually funded on a 50:50 basis. It is now apparent that it is becoming increasingly difficult for the community to raise its 50 per cent of the funding. I suggest that in terms of cost there will have to be a greater appreciation of what local communities actually do. I know it is being worked into the system.

We have changed the system in the Leader programme to 7 per cent plus a recognition of the work of the community.

That is what I am talking about and it will have to apply in this case also. Many people spend all their spare time doing community development work and it is right and proper that the State acknowledge their work. If we get a lift because of the way in which the western development fund is used it should be acknowledged that what people do in their spare time on behalf of their community is saving the State money. I do not wish to labour the point but I wished to put that on the record.

There are two or three other matters which the Western Development Commission should consider, including duplication. I am beginning to wonder whether it is possible not to have duplication. For example, under Leader, partnership boards, county enterprise boards, the Western Development Commission investment fund and many others, I hope there will be a mechanism to sift out whichever project is most suited for whatever funds are available. Many people in community developments say the mind boggles at what is available but when they try to seek assistance they cannot get it. With the concept of the one stop shops I hope assistance will be available.

If the Western Development Commission is as successful as it should be it will answer one of the questions we may have for Europe on Objective One status. The day may well come when a body such as the Western Development Commission is set up in the three regions that make up the 13 counties. If the EU view is that devolved government is meaningful, transparent and works at community level, this Bill may be amended to include the entire area. I see no reason that should not happen in the future.

The Western Development Commission, in conjunction with all the other agencies, must ensure the population haemorrhage of the west, which is slowly beginning to stabilise in most areas, will remain stable. It is obvious with the current trend, not only in Ireland but across the world, that there will be fewer farmers in Ireland in five years' time. Given the low concentration in the west we cannot afford to lose farmers but the policy should be at least to get people to live in local communities. There may be fewer farmers but at least the population would begin to increase. That is why the physical planning which should exist and which is being undertaken in various councils, regional organisations, etc. in the five Connacht counties must be geared towards ensuring that however we manage it the population begins to increase. This issue has been raised ad nauseam over the years. If the population falls below a certain level the community becomes unsustainable and it is not possible to provide the necessary services, resulting in the hairdresser, bank, doctor and vet disappearing from an area. A parish where this happens will then fall on its knees and die.

Against this background I sincerely hope the legislation will help stabilise the communities to which I am referring. I also hope the communities which are listening to and reading about this debate will be encouraged to work in a co-operative manner and that the Government and Oireachtas will send a signal that they acknowledge what people are doing on behalf of their local communities. Many people, who are working out of the goodness of their hearts, genuinely believe nobody cares a damn what they do. In this context the signal we are sending today is vitally important.

In the few minutes remaining I wish to comment on Objective One status. People welcome the Western Development Commission for several reasons, including the environment it will create in the west, which will allow people get jobs. Every year 6,600 graduates come from the west but unfortunately they move from the area in which they were born, reared and educated. Many of them have skills which are very important to the region, but they cannot be blamed for leaving if job opportunities do not exist. The commission, if backed up by Objective One status, will be able to say to industrialists that there is a very cohesive policy in the area and that the infrastructure will be introduced which will make it attractive for people to locate businesses there.

I smiled when Deputy Gilmore spoke about the problems in Dublin. Of course there are huge problems in Dublin, but the message lost on everybody is that there are quite definitive rules laid down by the EU in the context of eligibility for Objective One status. The rules are written in tablets of stone and will not be changed. Under GDP guidelines Ireland as a whole is not eligible, something we are aware of and accept. However, there are three regions in the country which meet the necessary criteria, namely, the west, the midlands and the Border counties. The EU, the Government and the people know that no matter what is done these are the only areas according to the statistics which can gain Objective One status. Those concerned with Dublin are saying that by this area getting Objective One status, Dublin will get less. This is not correct. Those in Dublin will get Objective One status in transition. In terms of investment there is a fairly big gap between Objective One status and Objective One status in transition and it is very hard to understand the logic of arguing that the whole country should accept Objective One status in transition and that by doing otherwise we are dividing the country. We are not dividing the country, no more than we are dividing the country by passing this Bill which is geared towards doing a job in a particular area.

If it transpires that the rest of the country receives Objective One status in transition, it is still incumbent on the Government to ensure the black spots in those regions are looked after. I could discuss this issue all day. It is fair to point out to those who believe they are going to lose something by being excluded from Objective One status that they were not going to receive such status in any event and that Objective One status is a plus for the poorer areas. The Government must give a commitment to the black spots which undoubtedly exist outside areas with Objective One status. People talk about black spots, but in the area I am talking about there are people who live on bad roads and in towns with no sewerage. In addition there are countless thousands of houses with no running water and nobody can tell me the infrastructure is up to standard. If we do not get Objective One status for another five or seven years we will never catch up with the rest of the country.

I welcome the opportunity to speak on the Western Development Commission Bill. Like other speakers, I remember the small farmers in south Galway who went to their bishops about the serious problems they were experiencing, particularly concerning the milk quota, and the response of the bishops and community leaders in western counties was to see what could be done by working in partnership —— an important word at the time — to develop the western counties, including Donegal and Clare. This led to the establishment of the Western Partnership Board, with offices being opened in Sligo leading to an action plan resulting from the document, "Crusade for Survival". We are delighted the action plan has led to the legislation introduced by the Minister of State at the Department of Agriculture and Food, Deputy Davern.

It is also fitting that we remember the various Governments which were involved in bringing the Bill to this stage, namely, those led by Deputies Albert Reynolds and John Bruton. In particular, I compliment Deputy Davern who not only introduced the legislation but who has been so effective in meeting the various groups throughout my constituency and other areas in Connaught, Donegal and Clare, and helping them with projects including the Leader programme. His visits have ensured more interest is developing the Leader programme and I think there has been an increase in applications for Leader funds.

The farmers and bishops spoke in particular about development in areas such as agriculture, natural resources, marine, tourism and arts and heritage projects. I hope the commission will work in particular on these issues which were the objectives of the group which met the bishops in Galway.

The Minister outlined the very laudable objective of achieving population stability before the end of the decade at 1991 census levels on a county basis. Some parts of the west are doing quite well. Fr. Micheál Mac Gréil spoke recently about the growth of Galway city and said it is causing the same problems for the west as the growth of Dublin is causing for the rest of the country. There is a general consensus that regional development is not balanced. The survey carried out by Fr. Mac Gréil on the Archdiocese of Tuam reveals population growth in places such as Galway, Castlebar and Westport. However, serious problems are being experienced in rural areas. The late Canon Horan coined the phrase ‘the black triangle' in regard to the area around Horan International Airport. Fr. Mac Gréil went further in referring to the development of a black rectangle with an increasingly large area of Mayo and Galway suffering from depopulation and emigration. I hope this legislation will result in assistance being obtained for such communities.

I welcome the Minister's reference to liaison with regional authorities, State agencies and non-State agencies as that may result in the development of certain projects on the passing of this legislation. The Minister stated the Western Development Commission would be in a position to consult with any Minister, not merely a particular one. It is important that fast, effective action is taken in regard to the west.

The Minister has attempted to take much of the red tape from the workings of the commission, evidenced by the fact that only projects in excess of £250,000 must be referred to the Minister for approval. The commission will not be involved in any major infrastructural projects such as the development of national roads; that will remain a matter for the NRA and local authorities.

I welcome the extra funding allocated by successive Governments to the rail network from Dublin to the west. However, there are railways within the region, particularly the line from Sligo to Limerick, which could form part of a Euro-rail network if the system could be linked to Rosslare. Fr. Mac Gréil also refers to the Sligo-Limerick rail line in his study and makes the point that areas ten miles either side of it have been very badly affected by unemployment, depopulation and emigration. The survey carried out on the Archdiocese of Tuam reveals that the areas worst affected are inland parishes on the eastern half of the diocese and on the far west coast. While the latter may do quite well during the tourist season, they experience very serious problems for the rest of the year.

Some criticism has been levelled at the amount of funding being provided to the commission. If that were the only funding being invested in the west, I would agree it would not be sufficient. However, I referred earlier to the changes in the Leader programme which will be of great assistance in the development of the west. The 50 per cent local contribution has been reduced and the Minister has announced that, where community enterprise is involved, the grant will increase to 70 per cent. Own labour is now recognised as constituting private matching funds. Community groups may gain approval for funding of up to £200,000 in certain circumstances. These changes are to be welcomed and I hope we can build on them. Perhaps some changes could also be made in regard to county enterprise boards which are very beneficial.

There has been some criticism that this legislation seeks to assist a particular region. I cannot understand that as it should always be a Government's duty to help disadvantaged areas. Other parts of the country have also been assisted, SFADCo has helped the mid west, Údarás na Gaeltachta is responsible for assisting Gaeltacht areas and support is provided to Border counties through the Ireland Fund and EU funding. I do not see why anyone would object to such assistance in the Border region which has suffered from lack of investment because of the conflict which existed in the North for so many years.

In regard to the allocation of Structural Funds, one could say the west has done quite well on a per capita basis. Funding has been received for headage and premia schemes under the Common Agricultural Policy but in regard to capital funding for roads development and so on the west is approximately 20 per cent behind the national average. Every small town and village in County Galway is crying our for improved sewerage and water schemes. It is logical that assistance would be provided to the west through the commission or other means.

The issue of Objective One status has been a source of much debate in recent months. The Irish Congress of Trade Unions has urged the granting of Objective One status to the western, Border and midland counties. One could make the case that if Objective One status were granted to those regions and the rest of the country were granted Objective One status during the transitional period, everyone would benefit. If the whole country is granted Objective One status in transition, it will get nothing post 2006. It would be better to have Objective One status for the Border, midland and western regions and Objective One status in transition for the rest of the country. After the year 2006, some parts of the country will, I hope, continue to receive funding.

I understand there are two types of funding, two thirds for Objective One status and one third for Objective One status in transition, and that we are not drawing out of the one pool. We would be able to get more funding if we had Objective One status for areas that are under 75 per cent of GDP. Those areas were clearly defined in all the studies on how the different regions were doing. The sad fact is that the areas we are talking about, the western, Border and midland regions, comprise about half the land mass of the Republic but only a quarter of the population. If the population decreases further we will be in very serious trouble in the future. Some people are leaving farming and many people are moving to the bigger cities.

There is no simple solution to this problem. We cannot look at black spots throughout the country. We have to look at regions as other countries have done. There are good examples of this in France and in Devon and Cornwall in Great Britain. Other countries in the European Union have drawn up regional plans which bring certain regions under the 75 per cent GDP and allow them to qualify for funding.

I hope there will not be a further urban rural divide in relation to this. Deputy Gilmore, who is not only from Galway but from my own parish, said that this was an unfair proposition. As somebody who received some of my education in Dublin and taught there for four years, I have always supported developments for Dublin, including the docklands development and the Financial Services Centre which have been a great bonus for Dublin and could be copied in other cities. Huge amounts of money have been spent in Dublin on roads and bridges, ring roads are proposed and it is proposed to put a lot of money into a light rail system. This has been supported by people throughout the country. I would not like to see people on the east coast objecting to further badly needed investment in the western region.

We must look for positive decisions in the future, particularly by the IDA, to locate industries in smaller provincial towns. The Tánaiste, Deputy Harney, has suggested that the IDA should put a regional policy in place. If there is no employment in those towns the people will not stay. People want to live as near to their employment as possible, and if the industrial infrastructure were provided in those areas, many houses could be built. That is one of the most compelling reasons for getting Objective One status. If that could be achieved for the western, Border and midland regions, industrial development would follow and we could discriminate in favour of the western regions in the context of employment. I do not know why grants should be given to companies that locate in the bigger cities. It goes against all logic, given the problems with traffic, pollution and the environment that cities should be allowed to get bigger and bigger.

One of the proposals in the survey carried out by Fr. McGreil was that a department of regional development be established in the Galway-Mayo Institute of Technology in Castlebar. This is a new institute linking up with Galway. The proposal is that that institute should deal with matters relating to socio-economic revival in the west. He also proposes that the curriculum of all second level schools in the west should include a module on local and regional development to create in the young an awareness of the needs and problems of their communities. Young people would then be interested in their own region and in the development that should take place. There is an imbalance in development currently. We have to get that balance right in discussing this Bill; if not, we will face more problems in the future.

The people on the commission are very competent. Further appointments will have to be made, and I hope every county will be represented. I would make the case also for having another local authority member — there is only one at the moment. The farmers in Galway who began this campaign should be recognised in some way. Perhaps the Minister can do that, although he would need the wisdom of Solomon to include everyone on the commission who should be on it. I hope there will be regional representation and that the commission will be successful in its work. I commend the region and the commission on their work and look forward to their playing a very active role in the regional social development of the western counties of Connacht and Counties Donegal and Clare.

I propose to share my time with Deputy Gerry Reynolds.

This is most welcome legislation which enables the Western Development Commission to make two important interventions in the fostering of economic and social development in the seven western counties, Donegal, Leitrim, Roscommon, Sligo, Mayo, Galway and Clare. These interventions are, first, at policy level and, second, in the form of financial assistance. I compliment the chief executive Mr. Liam Scollan and Mr. Seán Tighe on their outstanding dedication over a period of time and on the work they have put into this.

This Bill will enable the commission to work with Government Departments and their agencies as well as with regional and local bodies in achieving a co-ordinated approach to the development of the west. This means that the commission will have a central role in ensuring that policies on a wide range of issues, such as infrastructure and communications, business development and training, will be formulated effectively as one cohesive development strategy for the west. This is long overdue. Where policies are not working and could be improved or withdrawn, the commission will have the remit to co-operate with relevant Departments or bodies in achieving a better match for the area. This is also very important. It is a particularly important role, given the need for Objective One status for the western and Border regions.

The Western Commission has already worked in partnership with regional and national bodies on the development of a prioritised and costed programme that embraces all strands of economic development in the region. This work will form the basis on which full Objective One status for the western and Border regions can be drawn down and applied with maximum impact.

Another key issue addressed by the legislation is that under the terms of the Bill the commission will promote and manage the £25 million Exchequer western investment fund. This fund will be instrumental in accelerating development in the region by providing medium and long-term investment and should be very effective. The fund will enable the commission to draw up initiatives in partnership with the public and private sectors. It is important to include the private sector. One area where it will be very effective is the upper Shannon scheme. When the commercial aspect gets the go-ahead it will be a massive asset to the Western Development Commission because it will encourage private enterprise to spend its own money and get the tax benefits that will underpin this. That will be the making of it.

It is important, once the commission is established, that it has the full co-operation of national, regional and local bodies and strong cross-party political support. Progress is often about change and there must be a healthy openness to changing policies which work nationally but are not working regionally. GDP levels in the west must converge and exceed EU levels. The commission has a vital role, as I explained earlier, in helping to maximise EU funds.

The west needs to attract more employers who will create much needed jobs. The commission has already mapped out why the west is an attractive place for employers by cataloguing its assets. It has 2,000 acres of development land available for manufacturing and service investment. Almost 7,000 third level students will graduate in 1999 and over 40,000 people are available for work. The west has the potential to attract growth and employment in sectors such as pharmaceuticals, software, engineering, multimedia and food processing.

There is a huge amount of work which can be done. The west has much to offer potential investors, with up to 2,000 acres of development land. There is a huge emphasis on local economic development, which is very good to see.

It is important to note the presence of many large and successful companies in the west. They offer highly paid employment which greatly increases the tax revenue of the State and are the source of considerable export earnings in worldwide markets. Many of them also carry out important research work which helps develop the region.

If we have any complaint in the north-west and Border regions about these multinational companies, whether they are of native or overseas origin, it is that we do not have enough of them. The success of firms such as Abbott Laboratories in Sligo and Fruit of the Loom in Donegal — which is currently going through difficulties which are a sign of what can happen to big companies — is telling proof that we do not have enough multinationals.

However, there is evidence available to most ordinary men and women, borne out by the experience of dedicated people working in development agencies, that small businesses are more likely to struggle to survive and are likely to remain small in scale. Most people are aware of the definition of a "small firm" but the definition is different in Europe. In Ireland we have traditionally thought of any firm with more than ten employees as entering the realm of a medium-sized enterprise but the official EU definition of an SME is a firm with less than 500 employees.

We have also had some difficulty with the definition of "enterprise", which was usually taken as referring to industry, and in the very narrow sense to manufacturing industry. It is important when considering the whole question of an enterprise society and what needs to be done to encourage and support the growth of small enterprises to emphasise we are not just talking about manufacturing. This was a common misconception in the past. Towns and villages tended to regard the attraction of a factory to their area as the only solution to their unemployment problems.

The State agencies, partnerships and enterprise companies are now all working in partnership. Not only in Ireland but worldwide, there is a clear recognition of the importance of small and medium-sized firms. I am a huge supporter of small companies. Such companies provide a very high proportion of all jobs, even in the most advanced and well developed economies, and are recognised as crucial to the health of the economy. This is especially true for remote and under populated areas which, by their nature, have a small home market base and have suffered greatly.

The west has suffered from problems of access, the difficulty and expense of getting products to the wider market and a poor infrastructure, which makes it important to have Objective One status for the region. From listening to Deputy Gilmore, it is obvious he is not fully aware of the huge lack of infrastructure in the west. This lack of infrastructure was a real impediment to attracting large industry and also had a bad effect on the morale of the region and economic development generally.

It is greatly to the credit of successive Governments and the support of the EU Structural Funds that there is clear evidence these problems of access and infrastructure are being overcome. If we get Objective One status for the region, this problem will have been overcome in the west by 2006.

The national road network needs to be improved. Major water and sewerage systems need to be upgraded. The regional airports, such as the one in Sligo, have huge potential but need much more assistance. The EU could do a great deal in that regard. There have been huge improvements in telecommunications technology and we have all seen the advances in Dell computers. There have been physical improvements of towns and villages, which have been greatly enhanced by EU funding.

These improvements in access and infrastructure are important, and not only for the future attraction of large-scale enterprise. They support the case for decentralisation and facilitate the provision of valuable employment opportunities in major educational and health establishments, all of which enhance the commercial and social life of the regions. They are crucial to the encouragement and development of small-scale enterprise.

The success of this scheme and the development of the west and the Border regions depends on the promotion of enterprise. The circumstances of the modern world are changing dramatically with the changes in technology.

It is important to note that many of the future growth sectors, such as tourism, information technology and international trade and services, can thrive at the level of small and medium-sized enterprises. They are not disadvantaged by being served from the centre, provided they have the appropriate modern communication facilities. The western commission will do a great deal to promote that. The Minister has been in Sligo on many occasions and has met Leader boards, of which he is very supportive and for which I am very thankful.

A healthy and balanced economy needs a good mix of the successful large firms which we are delighted to have in the Sligo-Leitrim region —— such as Abbott Laboratories, Bruss and Saehan Media — and thriving small firms. It is important to have thriving small enterprises in small towns and villages.

Deputy Doherty has been a major promoter of the upper Shannon scheme and I thank him for his efforts in that regard. I appeal to him to promote the commercial end of that scheme. There are many companies waiting for the end of the tax year to invest money and it would be fantastic if that investment could start as soon as possible. That would underpin this Bill because it would encourage private business to get involved.

The Government and the State agencies now have the challenge to continue to create the overall climate in which small enterprise can thrive. This Bill will contribute towards achieving that objective and provide imaginative and innovative support systems with a minimum of regulations. It is important to reduce regulations and administrative impediments so that the small companies which are beginning to emerge can take initiatives and grow.

I do not know if the time was divided equally.

We divide the constituency equally, which is the main thing. I will be happy enough when Deputy Perry heads the poll in the next election and I am elected last.

This Bill has been awaited for quite some time. My only criticism of the Government is the time lapse in bringing the Bill to the House but, having said that, I welcome it. I know the Minister of State, Deputy Davern, is very committed to implementing this legislation, which will be of tremendous benefit to the development of the west.

I compliment Liam Scollan, the chief executive of the Western Development Commission, Seán Tighe, the chairman, and its staff on the work they have done over the past two years in helping to bring this legislation to the House. I also welcome the £25 million which has been made available and the whole idea of partnership.

However, I hope the Western Development Commission will not be just another layer of bureaucracy. We already have Leader groups, partnership boards, local authorities, the International Fund for Ireland in the Border regions, county enterprise boards and now we have the Western Development Commission. The administration costs to the State of running all those groups is huge. How much of the money given to these authorities is spent on administration and how much at the coalface? For a small country we have a great deal of administration. I hope the Western Development Commission can bring these groups together rather than being another independent group. The partnership aspect of the Bill is extremely important but the Minister has gone far enough in knitting the groups together. I will return to this on Committee Stage because there is a good and pragmatic case for bringing these bodies closer. For the social and economic development of the area, it is imperative that most of this money is spent at the coalface rather than on administration.

We need radical thinking in developing the west. The biggest difficulty for most of the counties involved, particularly my county, is the lack of people. Leitrim, north and rural Roscommon, and much of south and west Sligo has a small population base and people are leaving the area. The Minister said it was time I got married but my problem is that I cannot find a woman in any of those places — if I could I would have married long ago. Perhaps when I reach 40 he will be best man at my wedding.

In two weeks?

In 1973 there were 37 boys in sixth class, my class, in Ballinamore school, and only four of us live there now. Thirty of those 37 went to third level education. That is a huge number to leave the area but unfortunately nothing is happening to bring those people back. The Western Development Commission must play an aggressive role in bringing the bodies together and providing an incentive for industrial and commercial development.

I welcome the rural renewal scheme, commend the Government for establishing it and like Deputy Perry I hope it will be up and running in the short term. Many Fianna Fáil backbenchers, including Deputy Doherty, played an important role in bringing this into being and it will be of tremendous benefit to the area. However, we have to be even more radical. The Department of Finance is used to urban renewal, which has been successful, but rural renewal is a different concept with different problems and simply changing the goalposts will not solve them. There must be lateral thinking and discussion.

In the debate on the Finance Bill I proposed the idea of a new town in the north Roscommon/south Leitrim area. We need people, whereas the cities are choking, house prices are crazy and traffic is gridlocked. In England, Milton Keynes was built and a new infrastructure was put in place, including universities, colleges and other social development, and people were moved there. We must be as radical as that. Some people think I am talking pie in the sky but eventually there will be movement. The development of the rail line in Sligo and Leitrim and the improvements to the N4 will be of help but we need people. The radical idea of a new town in that area should not be dismissed but thought about and investigated, and it will be possible in a number of years.

Objective One status is something of a warhorse and everyone who has spoken so far is in favour of retaining it for the west, the midlands and the Border counties. We are within the European economic criteria for Objective One status and if we do not maintain that status the pace of industrial and infrastructural development in the west will be slow. We need the infrastructure to bring industry to the area. I was amazed to read that the IDA has not brought one industry into County Leitrim in the past 20 years, although Forbairt did introduce some firms. This shows the size of our problem, and Leitrim is a microcosm of the problems of the west.

We are going through a crisis in agriculture and the sector faces huge changes in the next ten years. If the Western Development Commission does not play a role in providing alternative means of making a living in rural Ireland there will be huge difficulties. This comes back to the basic fact that what is needed in the west is people. The Minister has traversed most of the region since his appointment and is aware of the difficulties. It is imperative that he leads from the front and maintains his enthusiasm for and commitment to development. I am not sure about Deputy Kenny's suggestion of increasing the size of the Western Development Commission. Smaller committees work better, if they grow they become talking shops.

I compliment the Government for introducing the Bill and wish it the best of luck. I hope it has the effect we all desire, of bringing development to the area. I pay tribute to the large number of voluntary organisations who have worked hard to foster this concept, including the bishops in the region. This is the start but much radical thinking is needed. I look forward to participating on Committee Stage.

Debate adjourned.
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