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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 28 Jan 1999

Vol. 499 No. 2

Private Members' Business. - Partnership for Peace: Motion (Resumed).

The following motion was moved by Deputy Gay Mitchell on Wednesday, 27 January 1999:
"That Dáil Éireann approves of Ireland joining Partnership for Peace."
Debate resumed on amendment No. 1:
To delete all words after "That" and substitute the following:
"Dáil Éireann reaffirms Ireland's policy of military neutrality and commitment to the peaceful settlement of international disputes and to the international rule of law; renews its pledge that, if at any time in the future the issue of entering a military alliance should arise, which involves a collective or mutual defence obligation, the people will require to be consulted by referendum; and consistent with that, in order to enhance Ireland's capacity to take part in peace-keeping operations in zones of instability in the European region, supports the commitment of the Government to build on Ireland's international vocation in support of peace and security, and favourably to examine further Ireland's participation in the Partnership for Peace, taking into account the ongoing public debate and subject to the approval of the Dáil."
–(Minister for the Environment and Local
Government).
An Ceann Comhairle: The debate is to conclude after 90 minutes. Deputy Michael D. Higgins was in possession. He has 12 minutes remaining.

Yesterday evening I raised a number of questions which I suggested were both basic and preliminary to a discussion on whether Ireland should join Partnership for Peace. Deputy Gay Mitchell's introductory speech was valuable in that it at least summarised the position of a number of other significant countries who have arrived at a position regarding Partnership for Peace, including those countries – not all – who previously had a neutral position for a variety of different reasons, such as Austria or a number of the Scandinavian countries. It is also interesting that the two speeches on behalf of the Government emphasised the practical implications of joining and of membership, rather than engaging in inflated rhetoric about the down-side of joining or suggesting issues of principal where there are none.

It is now appropriate to turn to some of the basic points made by Deputy De Rossa and to the questions I posed earlier. I have tried to be both fair and accurate in summarising the speeches given so far.

If there is an intolerance at this point in the debate it is coming from those who are anxious that we would join without asking many more questions. I detect a note of intolerance on the part of those who suggest it is a limited view to be other than enthusiastic about membership of an entity which has not been subjected to the critical examination in terms of foreign policy that I have described. I also reject the suggestion that there is anything archaic or disabling about being in favour of a comprehensive approach, in a theoretical sense, to foreign policy.

What I have read and heard so far about Partnership for Peace, tested against some of the fundamental principles of foreign policy, does not pass muster. It is an institutional arrangement that is elaborate but is in all senses reactive. It is a reaction to a spin on a version of history, on a reading of circumstances as they are now. I mentioned earlier that the concept of interdependence in foreign policy is a classical one that used always be counterpoised against a theory of interests. Yet, in effect, those who speak about including everybody in a common reaction speak of an ill-defined and narrow version of security, as much as it is reactive in principle. It rejects interdependence except in the most narrow sense and fits more accurately within the theory of interests. It is because it fits within a theory of interests that it leaves unexamined the glaring paradoxes and contradictions in it, such as the balance of the US-British relationship to the emerging European relationship and the entirely changed context in the world following the collapse of the Soviet Union, where a single power has an unhelpful relationship to the international institutional order.

Turning to the practical agenda as I presumed it has been debated in the Department of Foreign Affairs under different administrations, one cannot have a debate on this reactive version of a narrow definition of security without looking at the whole complex of Ireland's institutional relationships in terms of, for example, the UN, the Security Council, the balance between the General Assembly and the Security Council, the issues raised and listed in documents by Brian Urquhart and the late Erskine Childers, both assistant under-secretaries on reform of the UN, and the relationship of the mandate of the UN Security Council to different peacekeeping initiatives. It is unworthy of those who suggest that those who ask these questions are dragging their feet in the evolution from peace maintenance to peacekeeping. It is quite the opposite.

Where we have to build and make peace, we want to do so out of a tradition of diplomacy that is democratic in its impulse, in its features and in its history. Lest people say this will give wonderful opportunities to the Defence Forces, I am as lost in admiration of the Defence Forces as anybody else. I visited them in Central America and elsewhere, and they would say the best gift they could get would be a clear mandate. A clear mandate comes from a genuinely representative Security Council of which we aspire to be a member, and the clarity in the thinking of the mandate and its democratic reference points are what are important, rather than an assemblage of bits and pieces, of people who want to exchange information about what weapons they are purchasing.

As to the Government's position on this, it should bear in mind the reason we have any influence on the Security Council, and what is our best opportunity of influencing the urgent debate on reform of the UN. The last time we were on the Security Council it was precisely because of our record on the Decolonisation Committee. The people who wanted us on the Security Council, and who assisted us in securing the place, saw us not as some kind of cripple because of our neutrality, but as people who would speak out of the experience of anti-colonialism and whose fides in relation to decolonisation could be accepted.

There is an interesting insert to that. I refer to the late Erskine Childers, son of the President of Ireland, covering the emergence of the African nations with the great BBC broadcaster, Dimbleby. In his unpublished book, "Amnesia at Midnight", Erskine Childers writes about what the British commentator said about another country rising to join the ranks of free nations free to make its own mistakes, and because he objected he lost his job in the BBC. There is such a thing as the Decolonisation Committee. There is such a thing as the Irish record on it. There is such a thing as the Irish reputation in the UN. There is such a thing as the Irish peacekeeping forces. Moving out from that there is the balance of our relationships, for example, with the European Union. We can go to the European Union and be positive because we have this truthful background.

Then one looks at those who at the same time are participating in anticipatory bombing, exemplary bombing, people who are taking exemplary actions, as they would say it, in relation to the destruction of opportunities for humanitarian aid, people who say that no matter what happens, be it in the Middle East or in Latin America, there will always be a US-British Axis that is more important than Europe. People do not want to face the reality of a genuine European foreign policy and genuine security built on trust and implemented through diplomacy. The difficult questions are not being faced. That is why people take the easy route, where they can arrive by exchanging Meccano sets and building bits and pieces.

I was morally appalled at the insufficiency of our response when lives were lost in different parts of Europe and Eastern Europe, but an uncritical rush to simply say that if we had this or that institutional arrangement it would have made a substantial difference is not the answer. It is in foreign policy genuinely thought out that we will be able to deal with issues of ethnicity and identity, and of building genuine partnership. There is no irridentist, uncritical, ancient traditional hang-up about words of semantics in relation to this. It is about the restoration of the integrity and the fullness of foreign policy of which diplomacy will be the principal instrument. It is built on a revulsion against those who strike militarily first and prepare for that and afterwards go seeking and scurrying for some gloss on a mandate. It is against those who suggest that one can speak on this with veracity and integrity and with better fides than those who are opposed to the armaments industry. Genuine foreign policy and the White Paper which was referred to must point to the use of the word “security” in terms of food security and how it is defiled by those who insist on the production and sale of armaments, often to the poorest parts of the world.

Let us have this debate and not short-circuit it. We are nearly unanimous on this side on that. On the other hand, let us not fudge it. Let the debate within foreign policy start on the principles of co-operation and interdependency and of reform of the UN, moving past arms production and afterwards if necessary. We do not require that peacekeepers stand impotent in the face of challenges. The peacekeepers must be given a clear mandate that is accountable and respects rather than abuses diplomacy. It must be built on courage, the courage to face those who seek alternatives to diplomacy, who want to have the use of the means of the strong to bully and police first and explain their actions afterwards and when a whole village is murdered, say it was one of their missiles that went astray. That is immoral. It is no basis for a foreign policy. Making institutional shortcuts as a substitute for foreign policy is wasting our time. Nevertheless, I am glad this debate is introduced here this week. I will be glad if a debate takes place around the country, but I hope it will be a morally informed debate rather than one that is made by saying that real Europeans will want to be pragmatic like this, that real Europeans will want to go to the exercises and will be exchanging shopping lists for armaments. Life as we want it in foreign policy is much more complex than that.

I welcome this debate. Ireland, as a militarily neutral country has made a proud and constructive contribution to international peacekeeping, which has been widely and generously acknowledged, most recently by the UN Secretary General, Mr. Kofi Annan.

The defence debate has moved on. International conditions are completely different from what they were during the Cold War. There is no frontal threat on the horizon to the security of Europe or of the European Union of the kind that existed until 1989. Collective defence in Europe, which stretches far beyond the EU to include countries as far apart as Turkey and Norway, remains the responsibility of NATO, and secondarily the Western European Union. None of our partners wish to move collective European defence out of NATO into a purely EU framework excluding the United States and Canada. There is no pressing strategic reason for Ireland to join a military alliance now, and we do not intend to do so.

Our amended motion reaffirms Ireland's policy of military neutrality and our commitment to the peaceful resolution of disputes and the international rule of law. We do not want to create any misunderstandings or misconceptions about that. Four party leaders including the Taoiseach joined at the time of the Maastricht Referendum on 1 June 1992 to pledge that, if we were to be part of any European Union decision on common defence, we would hold a referendum. Any participation in a military alliance that would involve an automatic obligation to respond to an attack on an alliance partner would in any case require a referendum to change the Constitution, because, under Article 28.3 of the Constitution, "war shall not be declared and the State shall not participate in any war save with the assent of Dáil Éireann".

In our motion, we are, therefore, so as to avoid all doubt, reaffirming the basic principles of Irish foreign policy, as they have obtained for some time past.

The main emphasis in defence policy, not just in Ireland, but in Europe today has moved on to international peacekeeping and conflict resolution. References to the development of a European defence policy are now to be seen more in that light. The question arises under the Amsterdam Treaty of endowing the EU through the Western European Union with an enhanced capacity to resolve conflict. Other ad hoc institutional mechanisms, such as the NATO-led mission SFOR, are clearly further examples of this trend. Whether a mission involves peacekeeping or peace enforcement, the approval of the Dáil has in every case to be sought, with very minor exceptions, where the personnel involved are only a very small number.

There is nothing inconsistent with neutrality, in supporting or even participating on a case-by-case basis in internationally approved collective action to discourage and deter aggression. De Valera was prepared to support such action against Italy in 1935 following the invasion by Italy of Abyssinia.

The UN is increasingly confiding peacekeeping, in accordance with Security Council resolutions, to regional organisations, such as NATO, Western European Union and the OSCE. Partnership for Peace was established in 1994. Initially, for some countries it was a waiting room for full NATO membership but for different reasons all the other European neutral countries also joined, as did Russia after some hesitation. We have been virtually the only European country to stand aside, and the only neutral one. I am on record as saying in this House in a debate in 1996 that the case for Irish participation had not been made, and it is the function of a party in Opposition to articulate public fears and concerns and to put forward an alternative point of view.

However, there were subsequently important developments in May 1997, too late to take account of in our manifesto but to which I referred in a campaign speech in County Limerick. In May 1997, a decision was taken at a NATO meeting in Portugal to establish a multinational framework involving PfP nations, called the Euro-Atlantic Partnership Council, which is helping to co-ordinate the on-going planning of the SFOR mission in Bosnia. Ireland, as a participating country, was not included in the initial planning and co-ordination in which Partnership for Peace played an important role, placing our Defence Forces at something of a disadvantage. In an election speech in County Limerick on 24 May 1997, I specifically raised the desirability of Ireland joining the Euro-Atlantic Partnership Council, whose purpose is to conduct dialogue between Europe and North America on a broad range of political and security-related issues, matters we already discuss in the European Union. Despite some inquiries I was not able to establish quickly whether this new council, which is open to all European democracies, required membership of Partnership for Peace but I said at that time that, if not, Ireland should seriously consider the merits of joining that body. I said that we had no desire to be politically isolated or to turn our backs on the United States, which has been particularly helpful to us throughout the peace process. I went on to say:

Nor do we want to give the impression that the stability and security of Europe is no concern of ours. We want to make our own contribution along with our friends and partners in a way in which we feel comfortable and that is most appropriate to our political traditions.

I have quoted the speech to make the point that Fianna Fáil in Opposition did not adopt a rigid position and that I was ready to adjust it and allow it to evolve right up to the election to take account of emerging developments.

When we were last in Government with the Labour Party in 1993, we took up observer status with Western European Union. When former Foreign Affairs spokesman, former Deputy Ray Burke, and I visited the European Commission in the winter of 1995 we came out with a forward position accepting and favouring participation in peacekeeping and humanitarian missions, the so-called Petersberg tasks. All along we have wished to be constructive while remaining true within a European context to the independent foreign policy ideals and traditions which the Irish people held dearly.

The principal Opposition party has a different attitude. I recognise and pay tribute to the sincerity and commitment of Deputy Gay Mitchell, the prime mover of the motion. At times, he and other Fine Gael members have called for full membership of Western European Union, and have attacked the tradition of neutrality going back to World War II. That has often been their position. It is not ours. I do not believe it is the Labour Party's either, and our motion sets out a more balanced position and puts the proposal firmly in the context of continuing Irish neutrality.

The former Labour Party Leader and former Foreign Affairs spokesperson, Deputy Spring, has been mentioned as a possible EU representative with responsibility for CFSP. The Government would support that, and I have made that clear to our partners. A further prudent evolution of our national policy would show that we are willing to participate in the mainstream development of a practical European security policy at the present time which centres on peacekeeping, and that Ireland, like the other neutral countries, does not wish or intend to stand apart. We must accept the organisational realities in Europe, and the settled preference of all our partners to work mainly with and through existing structures in developing the common European foreign and security policy. It is a moot point whether an independent European defence policy, which notably France has favoured from time to time, would be preferable to the status quo.

I am a little surprised to have been attacked recently on the subject by the Leader of the Labour Party, and that their new Foreign Affairs spokesperson, Deputy de Rossa, is still openly opposed to Partnership for Peace membership, despite endorsing the last Government's foreign policy White Paper. It is not clear to me whether Labour is now departing from its policy under Deputy Spring, and whether it is about to adopt the more strident anti-Americanism which has been the hallmark of Deputy de Rossa's leadership of Democratic Left and the Workers' Party. I note that Deputy Spring's signature to the Labour Party motion is conspicuous by its absence, and he did not accept Deputy de Rossa's argument last night that a referendum is required. He stated categorically in this House on 30 April 1997 in reply to Deputy Ray Burke:

I wish to confirm to the House that a decision to participate in PfP would be subject to a motion on the terms and scope of any participation by Ireland being approved by the Houses of the Oireachtas. There is neither a basis nor a need for a referendum on participation in PfP, which imposes no Treaty obligation of any sort, no mutual defence commitments and which has no implications for our policy of military neutrality.

Is Deputy de Rossa now signalling his repudiation of that position? It will be interesting to see which policy direction the Labour Party will now follow, Deputy Spring's or Deputy de Rossa's, as their amendment does not commit them either way. I am not sure that the Green Party's position in Europe is particularly coherent as the German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer is a leading advocate of a common European defence policy, to which the Greens in Ireland are totally opposed.

In Government, we have had further opportunity to take professional advice, both from a foreign policy point of view and an operational point of view. It is the view of our professional diplomatic advisers as well as of the Defence Forces that Ireland should formally consider joining Partnership for Peace. As I said recently in UCD, I would not wish essentially ideological considerations to inhibit the operational effectiveness of the Defence Forces or hamper their valuable contribution. However, I would warn against both the hopes and the fears expressed that this will have implications for the level of defence spending. It is not the Government's intention as a result of joining Partnership for Peace to change the level of real defence spending. It would be naive to think that any decision of ours in this matter will influence one way or the other the outcome for us of the difficult and challenging negotiations on Agenda 2000. However, in the longer term it would show that we continue to be positive and constructive in all areas of European co-operation consistent with our own standpoint and traditions.

As a Government, we must consult not only our respective party political instincts but make a judgment on what best serves the national interest. I have in my time set out the case against joining, and I respect the position of those who remain opposed. They are quoting many of my arguments. However, I now believe on balance that the case for joining is stronger and I am not afraid to move on. We should in this respect, as in others, take our place among the nations and work with other like-minded countries which broadly share our outlook and objectives. We are not ex-colonial powers interested in exerting power for its own sake but we want to work with others to promote a more humane, civilised and democratic world, and in broadening zones of peace, stability and reconciliation. We desperately need a framework for human development in impoverished countries. The current debate will allow the different parties in Dáil Éireann to formulate their positions and put it before the people as part of the European election platforms. That will provide all of us, including Fianna Fáil, with a new electoral mandate in this regard. I would envisage, all going well, that Ireland will join the Partnership for Peace on a mutually agreed basis in the second half of this year, and the Government will be working towards that timetable.

Those of us who are attached to the maintenance of a meaningful Irish neutrality must be prepared to adapt it to new situations. Partnership for Peace will allow us to keep a credible, viable and constructive neutrality, which has always been the character of our foreign policy. It does not mean that our foreign policy will be uncritically aligned with NATO. We shall continue to work with our EU partners and with like-minded countries in all parts of the world to defuse conflict and create a greater sense of harmony and solidarity among countries with often different traditions and interests.

I propose to share my time with Deputies Hanafin and Ardagh.

I support the concept of partnership for peace. Who could not support a partnership for peace? However, I have very strong reservations about Ireland's membership of the Partnership for Peace organisation. One of the great scandals of the current age is the continuing cycle of suffering caused by the unrestricted export of armaments and weapons of destruction throughout the world. It is quite clear that many of the members of Partnership for Peace are vigorously engaged in this unspeakable trade and the victims are always the same – innocent wretches in some of the most deprived countries in the Third World.

Partnership for Peace is the creature of NATO. An application for membership of the organisation must be submitted to NATO. Without questioning the motive behind this NATO initiative, it is clear that membership of a NATO sponsored organisation raises fundamental issues in relation to Ireland's traditional and widely respected neutrality.

On 15 July 1998, Mr. Richard Kirby of the political affairs division of NATO's international secretariat addressed the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs on NATO and Partnership for Peace. He acknowledged on that occasion:

Indeed, allies are strong competitors with each other in supplying military equipment. The alliance espouses the principles of the free market . Obviously those who make and market military equipment are interested in selling it.

Such being the case, Ireland's membership of Partnership for Peace could be seen as an acceptance on our part of this unprincipled position.

I recall a visit in 1985 to the headquarters of the Arab League in Tunis when the then Secretary General informed an Oireachtas delegation that the Iran-Iraq conflict was being sustained by the supply of arms from member states of the EU and that one member state in particular was supplying both sides with arms.

Since the foundation of this State and particularly during the tenure of office as Minister for External Affairs of the late Frank Aiken – I was privileged to be one of his successors in that responsibility – Ireland has consistently opposed the spread of armaments throughout the world and has initiated many resolutions at the United Nations against the dissemination of conventional and nuclear arms. This principled position has won us international respect and recognition which is exemplified particularly by the acceptance of our Defence Forces in many UN peacekeeping operations throughout the world and, among other things, our pivotal role in the negotiations for the Lomé conventions with the developing countries of the ACP. The Minister for Foreign Affairs, Deputy Andrews, has followed this very laudable tradition in seeking support from like-minded countries, most of which are neutral, for a new UN convention against the spread of nuclear weapons.

While the people have unqualified admiration for the role played by our Defence Forces in peacekeeping operations, it is a matter of some concern that views are now being expressed by people other than the elected representatives of the Oireachtas in support of our projected membership, as they see it, of Partnership for Peace. These include, for example, the current Secretary General of the Department of Foreign Affairs, who has publicly expressed the view that "It is curious that Ireland has not decided to become a member of Partnership for Peace". The former Chief of Staff, Lieutenant General McMahon, last weekend expressed the view and concern that we would be likely to be isolated as a peacekeeping force if we did not join Partnership for Peace. That this is clearly not the case is evidenced by the Taoiseach's statement in the Dáil yesterday that Ireland now ranks seventh among UN nations as a contributor of personnel to UN peacekeeping operations. In proportion to our population that clearly gives us the highest level of participation in UN peacekeeping.

I recently had the privilege of seeing, at first hand, the work being done by Irish missionaries in poverty-stricken countries. They were very concerned at the crushing effect of the scandalous export of armaments to these troubled and deprived regions. These wonderful ambassadors for Ireland are true partners for peace and their views should be not only listened to but endorsed in our democratic decisions. Let those who would push our membership of Partnership for Peace not hold up as examples to us other neutral coun tries in Europe whose records, either in the armament industry and the export of armaments or in international banking, have not been based on principles of international peace and justice.

If and when Partnership for Peace is ready to address these fundamental and important issues and to propose effective controls and restrictions on armament exports, Ireland can then reconsider its position and engage in a true Partnership for Peace worldwide.

It is an opportune time for a discussion on Partnership for Peace and I laud Deputy Gay Mitchell for raising the matter. There are many views on this matter which are legitimate and I am in favour of joining. However, I respect the desire of many people to discuss and debate the matter further.

Ireland has developed in great strides in the past 80 years. We recently celebrated the 80th anniversary of the first meeting of Dáil Éireann. In that time we have freed ourselves economically and defensively from Britain. We now view Britain, along with other members of the EU, as economic friends and allies. We are a strong country and though small in size, our Diaspora has done us proud – more than 40 million people in the US and ten million in the UK are proud to proclaim their Irish roots. Ireland must take its place and play a role on the world stage. We cannot allow ourselves sink into insignificance in the Atlantic.

We must be team players. We have thrown off the poor relation image, living on the fringes of Europe. We are now a significant member of the EU and the euro club. Large numbers of young people are coming to Ireland to work in our IT industries. With the Internet and telecommunications, our offices and living rooms are adjacent to those of our friends and business contacts all over the world. Listening to Deputy Gay Mitchell last night, it appears that Irish parliamentarians are also using the Internet. In listing the aims of Partnership for Peace, it appears that Deputy Mitchell accessed the NATO site very expertly.

There is a mirror image of the information Deputy Mitchell gave us last night on the NATO site.

Perhaps NATO accessed my Internet site.

Ireland has benefited from greater political and economic integration in Europe. On the eve of discussions on Agenda 2000, Ireland cannot always be seen to have its hand out without co-operating fully in all of the initiatives which promote greater unity and peace in Europe.

It is because of our open economy and trade with other countries that the Irish economy has continued to grow so well in the past 12 years. We must play our part in the European team of peacemakers, humanitarians and world crisis managers. That team is best represented in the body Partnership for Peace. PfP allows us, along with the new democracies in Eastern Europe and other European neutral states such as Austria, Sweden, Finland and Switzerland, to co-operate, train and prepare to assist in those activities without compromising our military neutrality, on our terms, as the Taoiseach said.

Our Defence Forces have had a very bad press recently as regards the hearing loss claims. There is a need to arrive at a solution to that problem which will minimise the cost to the Exchequer and at the same time rebuild the confidence of the soldiers, sailors and members of the airforce. I am sure that joining Partnership for Peace will allow great opportunities to our armed forces to co-operate, train and learn modern methods for deployment in peacekeeping and humanitarian missions. The armed forces have always responded generously to any call from the UN for assistance. By joining Partnership for Peace and taking into account the greater numbers involved we will continue to play an important role in the UN-mandated peacekeeping missions.

The world is only a village. Not too long ago, the idea of travelling to London or New York meant emigrating from Ireland. Today our young people see these journeys in the same light as we view a trip to Galway or Cork. As can be seen from the Middle East war and the invasion of Iraq, missiles can now pinpoint targets within yards from a distance of thousands of miles. Cities can be completely wiped out in a short time, even without the use of nuclear weapons. Now more than ever we need peace to pervade societies all over the world. The EU was founded to ensure Germany and France would never go to war against each other again. It is by joining alliances and joining in partnership with other countries in pursuit of peace that conflict and war will be avoided.

Partnership for Peace increases confidence and co-operation and this in turn reinforces our feeling of security. The partnership will increase stability, diminish threats to peace and build strengthened relationships by promoting the spirit of practical co-operation and commitment to democratic principles. NATO states that, at a pace and scope determined by a capacity and desire by the participating partners, it will work with its partners in concrete ways towards transparency in defence budgeting, promoting democratic control of defence ministries, joint planning and joint military exercises and creating an ability to operate with NATO forces in such fields as peacekeeping, search and rescue and humanitarian operations.

It is stated in the objectives of Partnership for Peace that any contribution to the operations under the authority of the UN or under the responsibility of the CFCE would be subject to constitutional considerations. This effectively means that our country's policy of military neutrality would be fully respected. I welcome the debate on Ireland's entry to Partnership for Peace.

The greatest sign of a nation's sovereignty is that it can have an independent foreign policy. Even when Ireland was part of another jurisdiction we determined the line we would take on international events. MacBride and the Boer War a century ago is a case in point. When we achieved independence one of our first moves was to establish ourselves as an independent nation by setting up embassies abroad and joining the League of Nations. The role of de Valera and his presidency in the 1930s gave us international recognition also. It was a natural progression for us, therefore, to adopt an almost unanimous policy of neutrality in World War II. Criticisms have since been made against us that it was the policy that least divided us and that it was benevolent neutrality but it identified us as being separate and independent from all the major powers of the world at that time.

It is no secret that we suffered in isolation as a result of that policy in the post war years. The historian, F.S.L. Lyons, compares our situation in isolation to a people condemned to live in Plato's cave, their backs to the fire of life and, consequently, only deriving knowledge of what went on outside from the flickering shadows thrown on the wall. We were refused entry to the United Nations, we broke away from the Commonwealth but we made a deliberate decision not to join NATO. Geographically and logically it would have been correct for us to join NATO because it was anti-communist but again we were criticised and it was said that ours was only a sore thumb policy. In the context of what was best for the Irish people and our independent sovereign policy, the refusal to join NATO was one of the most important foreign policy decisions made in this century.

Despite all of the isolation, we emerged from the cave to become involved in the United Nations, the Council of Europe and eventually, throughout the 1960s, our commitment to Europe. Maintaining the policy of military neutrality has almost been as difficult since World War II as it was during World War II. The role played by Dr. Freddy Boland and Frank Aiken in the United Nations in developing a role for Ireland beyond what any small nation would be expected to do gave us recognition through our active participation in peacekeeping and our role in the Security Council and also gave us a military neutrality which is now firmly at the core of Ireland's foreign policy. More importantly, in the context of what we are discussing today, neutrality is at the heart of every young person in Ireland and it cannot be flittered away.

In the same way as our foreign policy has changed over the decades, an argument can be made to redefine our role and our involvement in international peace and security but always in the context of maintaining our military neutrality. Political violence in the Balkans, the total disregard for human rights in parts of eastern Europe, ethnic cleansing, mass murders and crimes against humanity cannot be ignored. As a country we cannot remain passive. It is not enough for us to say something must be done while we remain the hurler on the ditch and leave the decisions to others.

There is a definite choice to be made – passivity or engagement. We want to continue to be a contributor to peacekeeping, to defend the protection of human rights and to make a positive contribution to world peace, but in a changing world where the role of the UN is becoming more regionalised, where the security aspects of the European Union are gaining more prominence and where co-operation among a myriad of organisations is becoming the order of the day, neutrality demands active measures. One of those options is participation in Partnership for Peace. It is a voluntary non-binding organisation and is a major framework for co-operation, training and preparation for UN mandated peacekeeping, crisis management, humanitarian tasks, etc. Sweden and Finland joined Partnership for Peace in May 1994 on the grounds that it is exactly the kind of practical co-operation which in itself is confidence building and in addition adds to our capacity to carry out peacekeeping operations.

Joining Partnership for Peace may be a positive effort to make our neutrality more relevant to the current situation. Our involvement in the United Nations may be enhanced by membership. Partnership for Peace will inevitably play a greater role in defining the rules, debating joint procedures and conducting actual missions. Our Defence Forces could be brought within a framework of European military co-operation but not in a military alliance. This may enhance our involvement in non-military aspects of European security policy.

The blanket motion before the House that Ireland should join Partnership for Peace causes me to have some reservations. Is Partnership for Peace being used by those non-members of NATO as an ante-chamber for those who wish to join? What is the line between NATO exercises and those of Partnership for Peace? Is there any line? Is there more than a differentiation between them and their Internet site, as already cited? To what extent can we determine the parameters of our membership and how long can we confine our involvement? These issues need to be properly investigated and assurances given.

I want to uphold our policy of military neutrality. Inactivity and isolation are not the same but the Irish people have come out of Plato's cave. We are stoking the fire of life but the manner in which we do this needs to be kept constantly under review.

I wish to share my time with Deputies Durkan and Deasy.

Today on our television screens we once again saw that fighting has broken out in Kosovo. We saw tragic pictures of refugees clinging to tractors, bombed out homes, hapless individuals left to fend for themselves in an appalling human tragedy. We have to find a way in which we can credibly and effectively intervene and help in such crises as we move towards the new millennium. Modern communications mean that we see the horror immediately but our effective interventions lag far behind these scenes.

I am sure we would all agree that people want to see intervention and mechanisms put in place so that countries can intervene effectively. The public wants to see interoperability among the defence forces of different countries helping in a humanitarian way to deal with these situations. This must be done effectively, transparently and in a democratic way. These are the conditions that must be met in such circumstances. These are the essential prerequisites for such involvement.

What is Ireland's role? How do we position our foreign and security policy in a changing world and a changing security environment? We must first critically examine the changing nature of that security, the changing and new demands of peacekeeping, the move from peacekeeping to peace enforcement and the variations on that and the new demands and opportunities for our Defence Forces to play an effective role in scenarios such as I have outlined. The evidence from research polls in this country is also interesting. It shows that Irish people would support intervention such as Partnership for Peace offers.

We should not heighten fears by claiming that Partnership for Peace is something it is not. It is important to have a debate which points to the facts. I congratulate Deputy Gay Mitchell for putting down this motion. It develops the debate on this issue in an important way. I also congratulate Deputy Mitchell on the clarity with which he has approached this issue.

Last week, left of centre politicians from Sweden and Finland spoke of their commitment to Partnership for Peace and their wholehearted support for it. It presented no conflicts for them. There is no way that Partnership for Peace is a gateway to NATO. It is unimaginable that the Swiss or the Russians see it in this way. These countries can set aside the past and look to co-operation in a real sense for dealing with current conflicts and tragedies. It is time for Ireland to do the same.

I was interested to hear Deputy Michael Higgins' outline of an ethical foreign policy. I support the principles he outlined and the issues which must be taken into account when developing an ethical foreign policy, such as food security and the arms trade. These debates will continue if we become members of Partnership for Peace. Membership of the partnership does not exclude the development of an ethical foreign policy. It is an important step on the way to developing our foreign policy. Of course, these questions are critical and must be examined. They must also continue to be at the forefront of any discussions about joining Partnership for Peace and during our membership of that organisation.

It is only through membership of this association, which links the nations of the former Warsaw Pact with the western allies, that Ireland can fulfil UN Secretary General Kofi Annan's high expectations of our continued proactive commitment to peacekeeping. With up to 80 armed conflicts currently raging throughout the world, the regionalisation of peacekeeping is not just an option but a moral imperative.

The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute said recently that much of the progress made in conflict management and resolution could be attributed to the growing co-operation between the UN and regional organisations, such as Partnership for Peace. It is ironic that while Africa faces up to its responsibilities, Europe dithers in a fog of uncertainty. Events in Kosovo are tragic testimony to the need to create a humanitarian space in which the unfortunate victims of these events can be effectively helped.

Partnership for Peace is structured to allow each member to decide in each and every case the nature and extent of its commitment to the resolution of a particular crisis. It offers huge scope for an individual government to forge a link in a way that is most suitable to its foreign policy and most in keeping with its traditions. It, alone, offers the technical resources needed to develop a consensual approach to peacekeeping. It addresses issues of inter-operability that must be resolved if intervention is to be effective. Our membership of Partnership for Peace would do much to sustain our reputation as a reliable and dedicated partner in promoting security, stability and democratic values in the world. These are values we cherish dearly and it is incorrect to claim they would be undermined if we joined the partnership.

The partnership is an extremely flexible arrangement. It allows each member to choose the areas in which it wishes to co-operate. The first step for participants in Partnership for Peace, as Deputy Mitchell outlined yesterday, is to subscribe to a framework document which sets out the basic purposes and objectives of Partnership for Peace. These purposes include the protection and promotion of human rights; safeguarding freedom, justice and peace; the preservation of democracy; upholding international law and fulfilling the obligations of the UN Charter and OSCE commitments. They support transparency in national defence planning budgets, democratic control of defence forces and maintenance of capability and readiness to contribute to operations under the authority of the UN or the responsibility of the OSCE.

Surely we could have no problems with this. We should welcome it and wish to be involved by having our voice heard in the development of the partnership's objectives. We should be in the partnership, taking the best from our past experi ences, influencing the debate and gleaning skills for more effective peacekeeping.

There is no doubt that there is a cap on the Defence Forces' opportunities to contribute effectively. They are losing skills and are not developing the skills needed for the changes in peacekeeping operations that are necessary at present. They are losing out in terms of training, equipment and opportunity to play an effective role in international peacekeeping. If we do not change our approach, this will continue and we will only be able to make ineffectual contributions.

I support the motion. It is clear that the Fianna Fáil Party has changed its position on this issue. The Taoiseach said today that Ireland will join the partnership later this year. However, his comment that the defence budget will not require reassessment is to be regretted. If Ireland is to play a more effective role in international peacekeeping, it is inevitable that the defence budget will be affected and will have to be reviewed.

How much time do I have?

The Deputy has eight minutes, Deputy Deasy has seven minutes and three Deputies – Deputy Joe Higgins, Deputy Gormley and Deputy O'Keeffe – will share five minutes.

I support the motion. It is timely to review Ireland's stance on this issue. Some people, many for genuine reasons, suggest that our neutrality is a sacred icon which has served Ireland well in the past. Perhaps it did but there is no conflict between that view and what is proposed in this debate. Neutrality has served this country well but time moves on and evolution overtakes such stances. Ireland has now reached a stage where it is expected to integrate, to an extent, with our European partners in taking responsibility for dealing with issues that affect the peace and security of member states.

With the expansion of the European Union, which will continue for some time, there is serious concern among our eastern European partners and potential partners that neutral countries such as ours are less committed than they are to the European concept. They have good reasons for being concerned about peace and security. Partnership for Peace is a realistic means for Ireland to show it is committed to the European ideal in every sense – economically, politically and in terms of peace and security.

It is easy to stand aloof from the European arena and to declare that somebody should do something about places such as Kosovo. It is easy to say that somebody should take action. However, we never seem to define who that somebody should be. It is hypocritical to suggest that it should always be somebody else and to use the excuse that Ireland is a small, neutral country to avoid our responsibility in such situations.

It is imperative to recognise that being in the European Union, receiving benefits from that Union and contributing to it also involves contributing constructively to the Union's peace and security. That does not suggest we should become part of an aggressive regime or part of the apparatus of any particular regime or any agenda with a view to being used in a bigger world game. That is not the issue. The issue concerns the smaller countries within the EU, particularly those in Eastern Europe, former Warsaw Pact countries. They have a genuine concern that the European Union, being the biggest single political entity, would be less than concerned about their interests in that area. They know we live a long way from them and that the chance of an aggressor encroaching on us is considerably less than in their case. Past events have shown their vulnerability. People will ask if I am suggesting we should accept some responsibility for what happens there. That is reality. If we pretend to stand aloof and are prepared to accept all the benefits that go with being part of the European Union and that somebody else should defend and look after us but are not prepared to accept the responsibility that goes with it, that begs the question whether we are seriously committed to the concept. The debate at this time is necessary and timely.

Partnership for Peace is a methodology for addressing a changing situation. It does not go too far, yet it attempts to address something that has patently been in need of being addressed for some considerable time. Other speakers have referred to what happened in former Yugoslavia and that general region in recent years. We have all seen on our television screens and read in the newspapers what has happened there and of the unfortunate people who are the victims of such happenings. We all condemn it, wring our hands and say: "Somebody, somewhere should do something, why don't the Americans do something?" Yet if they do something, we are not sure whether that was such a good idea. It is high time we made a commitment and stood for something in that area. Even though we are a small country we are, allegedly, somewhat influential in the European Union. Let us stand up and be counted and contribute to those who want to chart a constructive course. Let us show the other smaller east European countries that we as a small country recognise their position and that we, from our position of relative safety, can make a realistic and reasonable contribution to their peace and security. It is not sufficient for us to say somebody else should do something about it. This whole question of European integration and commitment is a serious business. We all know that Ireland has benefited considerably from membership of the European Union. I would like to think we have made a fair contribution as well. We have made a constructive contribution in terms of stability and in showing how improvements can be made and how good use can be made of resources. It was not all a bed of roses for us and all the benefits did not accrue overnight. We have made many of the sacrifices other people in the wider European arena are making at this time.

We have a duty to show we are serious about that part of our commitment to Europe. We have committed ourselves in every other way. The proposal set out in the motion does not conflict with our position on neutrality. We need to review our position in that direction as a matter of urgency. I strongly support the motion.

I strongly support the motion tabled by Deputy Gay Mitchell. It is long overdue that we take an active part in getting involved in defence commitments and in the protection of democracy in western Europe and all over Europe and maybe in the future, further afield. It is not good enough that we leave the peacekeeping role in the world to a small number of nations, such as the United States and the British. We have a moral obligation to see that innocent people are protected. The children of the American nation and the British nation are just as important as our own. I do not see why we should sneak out from under and use the issue of neutrality as an excuse not to get involved. We thrive on the benefits received from Europe and from western democracy in general and should be willing to pay the debt we owe to the world and to Europe in particular.

Neutrality does not have any great significance. I was never in favour of it. Some people were not in favour of it during World War II. There was an ideological objection to it given that the country was partitioned against the will of the people. That objection has been largely overcome since all sides in this House have agreed the situation in Northern Ireland should be solved by peaceful negotiations. We then had the excuse of a Cold War and the two great power blocs in the world – NATO led by the Americans and Warsaw Pact led by the Russians – were straining at the leash to get at one another, whenever the occasion arose and that we were going to remain neutral and not get involved. That excuse has disappeared. The Warsaw Pact has disintegrated and some of its members are members of Partnership for Peace. I do not see any good reason we should stay out of movements such as the Partnership for Peace. If there has to be a referendum, let there be a referendum. I have great confidence in the citizens of this country to adopt an adult approach and to share the responsibilities with other countries throughout the world and in Europe in particular.

While one flashpoint may be resolved, such as Bosnia or Cambodia, Milosovic has and will continue to massacre people in Kosovo unless the international community takes strong steps to oppose him. We should be part of that. There is no point in saying "let the Americans go in and get a few hundred or a few thousand people killed." Why should we make that statement when we are not prepared to do it? Our armed forces should get involved not just in peacekeeping but in peace enforcement.

We should be prepared to take the risk the same as anybody else. Our Army would probably be happier to be involved than not to be involved. If we have an Army we must have a purpose for it. While its peacekeeping record is excellent and it has suffered a number of casualties we should go the full hog and get involved in peace enforcement. Tyrants such as Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Amin, Milosovic and Pinochet surface every couple of years. There will always be turmoil. At the moment Africa is in turmoil and no one is prepared to take on the situation. The whole Great Lakes area is in turmoil – the former Zaire, Sierra Leone, Algeria, Angola, Sudan, the list is endless – and international forces are not willing to go in there. It is not for us, however, to dictate or advocate that other countries go in when we are not prepared to do so ourselves. Edmund Burke said that if good men are not prepared to act, evil men will take over. That is what happens in these places. If people are not prepared to get involved, evil forces will dominate.

The Government should support Deputy Mitchell's motion as a first sign of showing that we are prepared to play a responsible part in maintaining world peace. I am not asking that we base our argument on the economic benefits to this country. We have a moral duty to live up to our responsibilities. I congratulate the agencies such as Trócaire and GOAL who do such wonderful work for us. We, as politicians, are not living up to our duties and we are letting them do the work which we should be doing.

I thank the Deputies for sharing time but I regret I only have three minutes to talk about such an important issue. We have not had a debate. We know Fianna Fáil accepts that we will join Partnership for Peace, and Fine Gael has always been of the view that we should join NATO, a nuclear force, a position which I respect but with which I disagree fundamentally.

That is a slight misrepresentation.

The Labour Party is all over the shop on this issue. It supports Partnership for Peace but there is a European election coming up and it does not want to loose its niche market in terms of neutrality. It is a completely cynical move.

The whole debate has been orchestrated and choreographed. The Secretary General of the Department of Foreign Affairs has appeared before the Committee on Foreign Affairs and publicly disagreed with the stance of his Minister. The stance of Fianna Fáil at the time was that it was opposed to Partnership for Peace. It is outrageous that a senior civil servant would behave in this manner.

There was also the case of RACO and PDFORRA appearing on "Morning Ireland". The military was advising us on sensitive matters of foreign policy, again something which was absolutely outrageous, and no one so much as batted an eyelid. We have to ask ourselves how this could happen. Perhaps we can get an insight from the Internet. I listened carefully when people mentioned it earlier and there are some interesting cities. There is a paper by Stanley R. Sloan which I would like to read into the record. He is a senior specialist in international security policy in the Foreign Affairs and National Defence Division of the Congressional Research Service. He says:

With the NATO enlargement process looming on the near horizon, Europe's former neutral states – Austria, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland and Ireland – are re-evaluating the role they should play in the changing European security setting.

The word "former" tells us a great deal about where he is coming from. He makes an interesting statement about Sweden. So much of the debate has focused on the fact that there are neutral states in Partnership for Peace so there is therefore no problem. He states: "Public opinion remains broadly attached to Sweden's military non-alignment but elite opinion appears to accept that Sweden will eventually find its interests best served by membership". The debate is being led by elite opinion. It is divorced from public opinion because public opinion wants us to retain our non-aligned status.

(Dublin West): Not only do I oppose the motion, I firmly oppose the two amendments. I am not amazed by anything the Labour Party does anymore but it has moved massively from its stated position of previous times and has now gone as far as touting its former leader, Deputy Spring, as a commissioner for some foreign and security policy position in Europe.

What is Partnership for Peace? The parties in support of it and which will agree to join it shortly are trying to give the impression that it is some kind of humanitarian institution for the well-being of humanity. Let us take it from the horse's mouth. In 1996 the US Defence Department, the mainstay of NATO, issued a progress report on a Partnership for Peace which said:

At its birth two years ago there were concerns that PfP was unworkably vague, or a mere way-station to NATO membership.

Those fears have proved unfounded as PfP has evolved quickly from a bare concept to an active association of military and defence institutions which train, exercise and work together with NATO countries

Confronting concern about its relevance in the post-Cold War era, NATO has reaffirmed its place at the core of transatlantic security through its sponsorship of PfP. In other words PfP is cover for the major states, particularly the USA, to deal with a new situation in a different way when they thought they were becoming redundant. It is clearly the case that this is part of a process of bringing this country into a military alliance in Europe.

It is laughable to hear Deputy Deasy bemoaning the fact that the major military powers in this world are not prepared to walk all over Africa to sort out its problems when it is precisely those powers which have caused most of those same problems. There is not a dirty dictator on the face of this earth whom the US has not sponsored in the past, to whom it has given arms, from Latin America to Africa.

Peace and security in this world will not be provided by this country being dragged into an alliance with powerful states in Europe which are major manufacturers of fearsome military weaponry which they peddle around the world. They are warmongers not peace makers and our people will not have any truck with them. When they see the truth of what is afoot, they will not accept it.

I remind Deputy Higgins that there were also dictators in eastern Europe and they left a fine mess behind them.

This debate has conclusively shown the wisdom of the Government's amending motion. It is right that the Government proposes that Dáil Éireann reaffirm Ireland's policy of military neutrality. It is right that Dáil Éireann should support the commitment of the Government to build on Ireland's international vocation in support of peace and security through peacekeeping, an area in which our Defence Forces have played their role with great honour.

Participation in PfP on our terms, as Government speakers have made clear, is compatible with our neutrality. The previous Government, in its White Paper in 1996, recognised that this was the case.

Why did the Minister not say in Opposition that it was not compatible? This is total hypocrisy.

The Deputy does not know the difference between a JCB and a hedge cutter so he should not talk about this.

The Minister does not know the difference between neutrality and non-neutrality.

Ireland will maintain its long-standing policy on nuclear disarmament. Participation in PfP will not imply acceptance of or complicity in nuclear deterrence. Nuclear weapons have no place in peacekeeping and crisis management.

The view was stated yesterday that PfP is not a European issue as such. PfP, as has been made clear by Government speakers, has its origins in the new situation in Europe, following the end of the Cold War, in which the practice of mutually reinforcing co-operation between the security organisations has emerged as an accepted principle of international standards. All the non-NATO PfP partner countries are European.

I would like to clarify some facts about participation in SFOR in Bosnia. It is not correct that only 20 of the SFOR troop contributors are involved in Partnership for Peace. Partnership for Peace is open to all OSCE states. Of the 33 OSCE states which have participated in SFOR, 32 are participating in Partnership for Peace, the exception being Ireland.

This debate has been useful as part of the ongoing debate which the Government has encouraged. In recent times European security has evolved in ways which merit close attention. The Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs held a series of informative meetings on the issue with presentations on the pros and cons. Recent replies to questions have clarified the Government's views. I hope this debate will help the Dáil to comprehend the practical choices we face and their broader implications.

I wish to share time with Deputies Hayes and Gay Mitchell.

Is that agreed? Agreed.

It gives me great pleasure to support the motion. It annoys me when the frighteners are put on society as if joining Partnership for Peace would damage our neutrality. That is misleading. It has nothing to do with our neutrality—

Look at the reports.

Will Russia and the Ukraine which are members of Partnership for Peace join NATO?

The Deputy has not read the debates in the Duma.

The principal objective of NATO is the defence of its member states. That is not a function of Partnership for Peace. We have to decide whether we should continue to adopt a hypocritical stance of participating in radio and television programmes criticising and condemning what is happening in Kosovo and other parts of eastern Europe where people have been slaughtered, and asking who will go in and do something about it. What a crowd of cowards.

The Deputy should go.

Members of the Defence Forces are proud that they have served on many peacekeeping missions throughout the world.

Under the United Nations.

What they see is politicians who are afraid to lead the people. Unless we get involved in Partnership for Peace and other similar organisations we will be left out.

The Deputy is codding himself.

I appeal to Deputy Gormley to allow Deputy Barrett continue without interruption. The Deputy had three minutes and took some of Deputy Higgins's time. I will not allow him to take the time of the remaining three Deputies.

I am proud that I was a member of the Government which was not afraid to make the decision to send troops to the former Yugoslavia to participate in the SFOR mission. Has the participation of Irish men and women in Sarajevo in a peacekeeping operation under the auspices of NATO damaged our neutrality? Participation in Partnership for Peace is encouraged by the United Nations which favours regional security structures to support missions throughout the world.

Those on the right are supposed to be in favour of war and joining NATO while those on the far left are supposed to be against war and in favour of protecting our neutrality. I wish to protect our neutrality as much as anybody else but I will not mislead the people. I do not want the great reputation that our troops have built in peacekeeping missions throughout the world to be set at naught because politicians are afraid to grasp the nettle and look to the future.

On a point of information—

There is no point of information.

The Deputies are afraid to debate the issue.

Mr. Hayes

I am delighted that my party which has given leadership has exposed the U-turn by the Government and Fianna Fáil in particular. In 1996 the Taoiseach, then in Opposition, made the famous speech about the arrival of the French and Spanish in Bantry and Killala. Fianna Fáil has now done a U-turn. My party had the courage of its convictions to say from day one that it supports Ireland's membership of Partnership for Peace. That is the fundamental difference between my party and Fianna Fáil.

Three years ago, in better times, the former Minister for Foreign Affairs, Ray Burke, said that participation in Partnership for Peace would amount to second-class membership of NATO. The Defence Forces have had to wait since then for a proper indication that we will seek to join Partnership for Peace. This cute hoorism, evident in Fianna Fáil's policy on foreign affairs, has been exposed by the excellent contribution of our spokesman, Deputy Mitchell. My party supports unapologetically membership of Partnership for Peace.

And NATO.

Mr. Hayes

This is not the time to debate the issue of neutrality.

Deputy Barrett said he wants to preserve our neutrality.

I thank the Deputies who contributed to the debate which has been enlightening. The Taoiseach should be sent to the Middle East more often. The flyover over the road to Damascus has resulted in a great conversion. In recent weeks he said in the House that we would not be joining.

I welcome his commitment that Ireland will join Partnership for Peace this year.

The Taoiseach said that, with other Fine Gael members, I have called for full membership of the Western European Union and attacked the tradition of neutrality going back to World War II. We have not done so, we have made constructive contributions. I have not called for membership of NATO. I have, however, called for a debate on the issue. When I was reported as saying that we should join NATO I wrote to the newspapers indicating that I wanted to hear the arguments. If there is a good reason we should not join NATO, let us hear it so that the principle cannot be departed from by stealth.

I participated as the Irish member of the Reflection Group in a discussion on the possible merger of the Western European Union and the European Union. I said that if such a merger was to go ahead, the Article 5 commitment should take the form of a protocol. We have to discuss the matter and negotiate because if we do not compromise, we will break and will be given a choice – in or out. That cannot happen without a healthy debate.

I find it hard to take that opposite positions can be taken in and out of Government on something as serious as foreign policy. Some of what has been said is outrageous. In Government, after a long discussion, my party presented a White Paper. It said the overall objectives of Partnership for Peace are consistent with Ireland's approach to international peace and European security, that the Government had decided to explore further the benefits that Ireland might derive from Partnership for Peace and to determine the contribution that Ireland might make to the partnership. That is what all parties said in Government, and I note the Labour Party amendment, which has the fingerprints of Deputy De Rossa on it, does not have Deputy Spring's name attached to it. I doubt very much that he could have gone along with the hypocrisy of it.

The Labour Party manifesto said that it could be a legitimate and proper role for Ireland to participate in due course in the pan-European structure of the Partnership for Peace. Noting that this has already been joined by other European neutrals such as Switzerland, Austria, Sweden and Finland, it went on to say that this is not a military alliance and that Ireland, like all other countries, would be free to negotiate its own terms. That is what the Labour Party manifesto said, and I am more than surprised by what has been said today.

Several Deputies have said the debate has been rushed. We published that White Paper on foreign policy three years ago next March, after a year of debate around the country. Deputy Spring, who was Minister, I and the then Minister of State, Deputy Burton, had a whole year of discussion on it. We have had the White Paper for three years, and Fine Gael published a document last January. How much discussion do we want? The Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs considered this matter for all of last year. How much debate do we want, and who is going to report it? The ghosts in the public gallery? We have had the debate, and it is time we told people the truth.

Deputy Hayes has dealt with Bantry Bay and the Taoiseach's comments when in Opposition. The Taoiseach quoted Article 28º3 of the Constitution with reference to neutrality. What about Article 29 of the Constitution and the British-Irish Agreement? Lifford is not in NATO; Strabane is and has been since 1949. The only principle on which our neutrality has been based from the very beginning is partition. Seán McBride, the Minister who kept us out, said we would become full charter members of NATO the day after partition ended. That is the only principle that has ever been set out; if there are others let them be debated. Partition is something we have at last come to terms with, but Members on some sides are as irredentist on this as the DUP are on Catholic and Nationalist issues. It is time we opened our minds to the other side of the argument.

I want to hear the other side of the neutrality argument, because I can be convinced that we should not join Partnership for Peace if I hear the argument. However, I will not be blackguarded into a corner as a militarist because I question it. That is neither right nor healthy. Much of the emotion, fear, prejudice, anti-Americanism and political gameplaying informing our approach came out in this debate.

Deputy Higgins put his views sincerely, but 11 of the 15 EU member states are led by socialist or social democratic Governments.

(Dublin West): Sham socialists.

Deputy Higgins is the only true socialist.

All of them are in Partnership for Peace. The secretary general of NATO is a socialist: Mr. Javier Solana, the former Foreign Minister of Spain. The idea that the socialists in Ireland are somehow more pure than those on the continent is nonsense.

Just one.

There is total inconsistency at home and abroad on this issue.

(Dublin West): Half of them are guilty of corruption.

We are standing idly by while people are being slaughtered.

I find it hard to see how people who oppose us joining Partnership for Peace have nothing to say about the genocide in Srebenica or Kosovo. Have we no shame? Will we position ourselves for political advantage over that genocide and expect the British, Americans and Dutch – anybody but the Irish – to go in and force peace against dictators? I call that hypocrisy.

(Dublin West): Who encouraged the breakup of Yugoslavia? The French and the Germans.

Deputy Mitchell must be allowed to conclude without interruption.

I accept some of what has been said about armaments. We have worked within the EU with those in the arms industry, and the only way to persuade them is to work with them and not to stand off in hypocrisy, which they see through. I commend the motion. We should tell people the truth at last: we are joining Partnership for Peace in the second half of this year. Let there be no more fudging. I oppose the Government's amendment as it is another fudge. We have had this debate for more than three years, and it is now time to sign up and to shut up.

Amendment put.

Ahern, Bertie.Ahern, Dermot.Ahern, Michael.Ahern, Noel.Ardagh, Seán.Blaney, Harry.Brady, Johnny.Brady, Martin.Brennan, Matt.Brennan, Séamus.Briscoe, Ben.Callely, Ivor.Carey, Pat.Collins, Michael.Cooper-Flynn, Beverley.Coughlan, Mary.Cowen, Brian.Cullen, Martin.Davern, Noel.Dempsey, Noel.Dennehy, John.Doherty, Seán.Ellis, John.Fahey, Frank.Fleming, Seán.Flood, Chris.Foley, Denis.Fox, Mildred.Gildea, Thomas.Hanafin, Mary.Haughey, Seán.Healy-Rae, Jackie.Jacob, Joe.Keaveney, Cecilia.Kelleher, Billy.Kenneally, Brendan.

Killeen, Tony.Kirk, Séamus.Kitt, Michael.Kitt, Tom.Lawlor, Liam.Lenihan, Brian.Lenihan, Conor.McCreevy, Charlie.McDaid, James.McGennis, Marian.McGuinness, John.Martin, Micheál.Moffatt, Thomas.Molloy, Robert.Moloney, John.Moynihan, Donal.Moynihan, Michael.Ó Cuív, Éamon.O'Dea, Willie.O'Donnell, Liz.O'Donoghue, John.O'Flynn, Noel.O'Hanlon, Rory.O'Keeffe, Batt.O'Keeffe, Ned.O'Kennedy, Michael.Roche, Dick.Ryan, Eoin.Smith, Brendan.Smith, Michael.Treacy, Noel.Wade, Eddie.Wallace, Dan.Wallace, Mary.Walsh, Joe.Woods, Michael.Wright, G. V.

Níl

Ahearn, Theresa.Allen, Bernard.Barnes, Monica.Barrett, Seán.Belton, Louis.Boylan, Andrew.Bradford, Paul.Broughan, Thomas.Browne, John (Carlow-Kilkenny).Bruton, John.Bruton, Richard.Carey, Donal.Clune, Deirdre.Connaughton, Paul.Cosgrave, Michael.Coveney, Simon.Crawford, Seymour.Creed, Michael.De Rossa, Proinsias.Deasy, Austin.Deenihan, Jimmy.Dukes, Alan.Durkan, Bernard.Enright, Thomas.Farrelly, John.Ferris, Michael.Finucane, Michael.Fitzgerald, Frances.Flanagan, Charles.Gilmore, Éamon.Gormley, John.Gregory, Tony.Hayes, Brian.Higgins, Jim.

Higgins, Joe.Higgins, Michael.Hogan, Philip.Howlin, Brendan.Kenny, Enda.McCormack, Pádraic.McDowell, Derek.McGahon, Brendan.McGinley, Dinny.McGrath, Paul.McManus, Liz.Mitchell, Gay.Mitchell, Olivia.Moynihan-Cronin, Breeda.Naughten, Denis.Neville, Dan.Noonan, Michael.Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín.O'Keeffe, Jim.O'Shea, Brian.O'Sullivan, Jan.Owen, Nora.Penrose, William.Perry, John.Rabbitte, Pat.Ryan, Seán.Sargent, Trevor.Shatter, Alan.Shortall, Róisín.Stagg, Emmet.Stanton, David.Timmins, Billy.Wall, Jack.Yates, Ivan.

Tellers: Tá, Deputies S. Brennan and Callely; Níl, Deputies Barrett and Kenny.
Amendment declared carried.
Motion, as amended, put and agreed to.
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