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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 9 Feb 2000

Vol. 514 No. 1

National Beef Assurance Scheme Bill, 1999 [ Seanad ] : Second Stage (Resumed).

Question again proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

The issue of the national stadium will have repercussions on the meat industry. Deputy Currie has already mentioned that the State laboratory, the central meat testing laboratory, the veterinary research laboratory, the pesticide laboratory and the seed testing laboratory are all involved in the site proposed for the national stadium. Was the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Rural Development involved in discussions on the site for the stadium? What decision has he made regarding the 350 workers involved? Does the cost of £230 million include the relocation of these laboratories? Will they be moved to Cork or is there a chance that some of these facilities may be moved to Monaghan? This is an important issue. Testing is vital for the quality assurance of our beef and the health of our animals. Many people from Monaghan travel to the veterinary research laboratory to have testing done and we appreciate the work being done in the centre. As a farmer and as a representative of Cavan and Monaghan, I wish to know where the laboratory will be placed and what will happen to its workforce.

We recognise the commitment of the Minister, Deputy Walsh. Even as a Minister of State, he was involved in the announcement of the Goodman package. His work on Agenda 2000 is recognised and he has been praised by members of farming organisations as well as by his own party members. Major problems have arisen, however, from the farmers' guide which runs to 28 pages and the accompanying leaflet which offers advice on how cattle identity cards should be used. I raise this issue to highlight the bureaucracy imposed on farmers. In a letter addressed to each farmer concerned the Minister said that regional meetings would be held. I understand he appeared at some of them, although I am not sure how long he stayed. The meeting I attended in a hotel in Ballybay lasted several hours and was attended by 500 farmers and their wives who were anxious to ensure the best possible outcome to the Agenda 2000 negotiations. They were shocked by what they heard and very few questions were asked as a result. While we have no choice but to support the Bill in principle, the Minister should ensure bureaucracy is kept to a minimum as farmers are literally being driven to suicide. Many are being driven off the land, which must be avoided at all costs. This is a serious matter as many farmers attended primary school only – many did not attend special agricultural college. The fact that a 28 page guide and accompanying leaflet have had to be issued through the Department gives some indication of the complications that have arisen.

The proposed scheme only applies to beef produced in the European Union which has no control over issues such as the use of growth promoting hormones, hygiene standards at farm and meat plant level and traceability in respect of beef produced outside the European Union. It is inaccurate for the Minister to state, therefore, that consumers are fully protected by the Bill. The proposed standards put EU farmers and processors at a competitive disadvantage. To overcome this there is a need to make two changes. There should be a requirement to label all meat and meat products produced outside the European Union specifying the country of origin. Such a scheme should apply to all meat sold in retail outlets and restaurants. This is essential if the real objective is the protection of consumers. The Irish lobby at the EU-WTO negotiations must insist that those countries that wish to export meat to the European Union adhere to our internal quality assurance standards. We cannot allow beef which has been treated with hormones to be exported here from third country markets.

The costs associated with the scheme are high. Farmers are subjected to a raft of inspections for TB and brucellosis as well as headage and REP schemes. The Minister must ensure the scheme is introduced in a sensible manner that avoids unnecessary inspection costs for farmers who may face additional adherence costs for such matters as pollution control and improved animal housing in respect of which the level of finance available is inadequate. These costs will be most severely felt by those with least resources. The Minister should introduce a package of grant aid and tax relief to avoid financial hardship.

To protect farmers from over-officious inspectors a fair and independent appeals procedure must be put in place. The Bill as it stands—

Over-efficient inspectors? That is hardly a crime.

There is a danger that inspectors could be over-officious. If farmers do not cross every 't' and dot every 'i' they are treated as criminals. I suggest that the Deputy should listen very carefully; we are not going overboard, we are talking about the practicalities. The legal profession will love this – the Bill provides for appeals to the Circuit Court. This is inadequate on the grounds that it will be unduly expensive and the courts do not have the necessary expertise to assess the reasonableness of a case and shall be obliged, therefore, to seek professional assistance in arriving at decisions. It would be far more preferable to put a more informal appeals procedure in place to allow a farmer and, if necessary, his farm adviser make representations directly to an independent expert who could assess the facts and, if necessary, visit and inspect the farm. Decisions should only be appealed to the courts on a point of law.

To ensure traceability prior to slaughter we should be using microchip technology instead of a tagging system which is difficult to administer and in respect of which unscrupulous operators present a problem. Tag numbers are not always clearly visible and the new plastic tags are a nightmare. A farmer in my area who applied for a plastic tag for one animal in November 1998 only received it at the end of June 1999.

The purpose of the scheme is to achieve a quality price for cattle. As we are all aware the BSE crisis was a major setback and caused enormous hardship. As the records clearly show in government we tried to keep the majority of markets open. In 1995 we exported 176,000 cattle to Egypt and 81,000 to Libya. In 1996, 106,000 cattle were exported to Egypt and 33,000 to Libya. We have exported no live cattle to those markets in the past two years.

What about 1995, 1996 and 1997?

Those are the Department's figures, not mine.

The Deputy is referring to the figures for 1996.

When on this side of the House the Minister assured us that in government—

Acting Chairman

I am sorry to interrupt the Deputy but we are due to take a sos at 1.30 p.m.

I hope the newly appointed Minister for Foreign Affairs will visit Iran, as promised, and attempt to open up those markets.

Debate adjourned.
Sitting suspended at 1.30 p.m. and resumed at 2.30 p.m.
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