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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 5 Oct 2000

Vol. 523 No. 3

Ceisteanna–Questions. Priority Questions. - Garda Investigations.

Alan Shatter

Question:

3 Mr. Shatter asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform the number of investigations conducted to date into allegations of misconduct by gardaí in the Donegal area; the number of such investigations to date completed; the number which await completion; the person to whom the reports of completed investigations have been furnished; the senior members of the Garda Síochána in charge of each such investigations; the number of reports arising from such investigations to date submitted to the Director of Public Prosecutions; if any of the investigations, either completed or ongoing, have revealed the possibility of miscarriages of justice in criminal cases which resulted in the conviction of persons charged; if the possibility of miscarriages of justice are being brought to the attention of convicted persons or their lawyers; the reports into these matters received by him to date; and the action taken by him in this regard. [20750/00]

Brendan Howlin

Question:

4 Mr. Howlin asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform the progress made to date in the investigation into allegations of serious irregularities by members of the Garda in Donegal; if the investigation has been concluded; the action being taken to date on the basis of the investigation's findings; if further action is planned; the investigation held into allegations that the phones of lawyers may have been tapped; the outcome of any such inquiry; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [20151/00]

I propose to take Questions Nos. 3 and 4 together.

I welcome this opportunity to update the House regarding the investigation of allegations against certain members of the Garda Síochána in County Donegal. Deputies have raised a large number of issues in their questions and I shall try to address them as far as possible.

It is my desire to give a comprehensive account. However, I am constrained by a number of factors. This is a complex matter and a number of issues have yet to be resolved. Six civil actions have already been initiated arising from this case, the Director of Public Prosecutions is examining the question of criminal proceedings in a number of cases, complaints have been made to the Garda Complaints Board and the commissioner will have to consider the question of possible disciplinary action against certain members of the force. I, and indeed Deputies on both sides of the House, have to be careful that we say nothing in the House or outside it that might prejudice related proceedings or unfairly infringe on the rights of individuals.

As the House will be aware, some time ago the commissioner appointed assistant commissioner, Mr. Carty, to examine the handling of the original investigation carried out into the death of Mr. Richard Barron whose body was found on a roadside in Raphoe, County Donegal, in the early hours of 14 October 1996. The assistant commissioner was appointed to conduct this investigation following allegations and concern expressed about the handling of the initial investigation into the death of Mr. Barron. We should not lose sight of the fact that the circumstances surrounding the death of Mr. Barron, who died as the result of head injuries, have not yet been resolved and this is a cause of serious concern, most especially for his family and friends. I express my deepest sympathy to them. The gardaí are continuing to pursue their investigation into Mr. Barron's death.

The investigation by the assistant commissioner turned out to be extremely complex and involved a number of different strands. It may help Deputies to appreciate the depth and complexity of the investigation when I tell them that I understand that more than 1,000 statements were taken in the course of the investigation.

Three main issues were addressed in the investigation, the investigation into Mr. Barron's death and the role of various gardaí in that investigation, allegations of harassment amounting to criminal behaviour and allegations that certain gardaí were involved in "hoax" bomb-making equipment finds.

The assistant commissioner recently completed his investigation and a file in the matter was forwarded to the Director of Public Prosecutions whose directions are awaited. Deputies will be aware that the question of criminal prosecutions is a matter solely for the Director of Public Prosecutions to determine. He is by law independent in the exercise of his functions. I should add that, in addition to determining what criminal prosecutions should take place, the Director of Public Prosecutions will also have responsibility in the first instance for addressing the question of, to use Deputy Shatter's phrase, "the possibility of miscarriages of justice", if that matter arises.

I, as Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, have no role in the prosecution of individuals for criminal offences and it would be totally inappropriate for me, at this stage, to make any comment on past or possible future prosecutions.

Obviously it is a matter of great concern that individual members of the Garda Síochána might be implicated in wrongdoing. It is essential for the reputation of the force that any alleged wrongdoing by members are investigated thoroughly and, if well founded, appropriate disciplinary or criminal proceedings should be initiated. However, I remind the House that individuals have a constitutional right to the protection of their good name. An integral part of our justice system is the presumption of innocence and the right to due process. I will not be party to any attempt to breach those rights by arbitrarily condemning individuals or trying to prejudge the outcome of proceedings. The House has to respect the rights of all individuals.

The commissioner, who has responsibility for the control and direction of the Garda Síochána, including discipline, is fully addressing the issues that arise in the context of the Donegal investigation.

In addition to the investigation carried out by the assistant commissioner, Mr. Carty, and the possible criminal prosecutions arising from that, there are two other investigations under way.

Before the summer recess, I was approached by the two Opposition spokesmen on justice who gave me certain information. I met the commissioner and conveyed the information to him. As a result, assistant commissioner, Mr. Murphy, was instructed to carry out an investigation. I understand that he has interviewed both Deputies. His investigation is proceeding and I understand that it will be completed shortly.

The commissioner has also appointed a chief superintendent to investigate a related matter raised by a member of the Garda Síochána in Donegal concerning the original investigation.

I have received a report of the investigation by assistant commissioner, Mr. Carty, from the Garda Commissioner. As I previously mentioned, the investigation into the death of Mr. Barron is continuing under the supervision of an assistant commissioner.

As regards the transfer of members of the Garda Síochána in the Donegal division, I am informed by the Garda authorities that when the commissioner received the report of the assistant commissioner on the allegations in question he decided, in the best interests of the public and the Garda Síochána, to transfer a number of personnel. This is a matter of public record and there is nothing further I can usefully add. The transfers will not in any way affect this investigation into all aspects of the matter or preclude further action which might be necessary.

The question of the alleged tapping of phones has also been raised by way of complaint by the Law Society and the Bar Council. In this regard, I am informed by the Garda authorities that they have been in contact with the solicitors in question requesting clarification on a number of matters. I understand that a reply to this correspondence is awaited.

I should also point out that under the Interception of Postal Packets and Telecommunications Messages (Regulation) Act, 1993, which provides for the lawful interception of postal packets and telecommunications, there is a complaints referee who examines complaints of alleged contraventions of the Act. The Bar Council and the Law Society have been advised that it is open to their members, if they consider that there may have been a contravention of the legislation, to apply to the complaints referee for an investigation into the matter.

Additional Information.

To summarise, a considerable number of allegations have been made, all the allegations have been or are being investigated thoroughly by the Garda Síochána, the investigation by assistant commissioner, Mr. Carty, has been completed and we are now awaiting the decision of the Director of Public Prosecutions as regards criminal proceedings, the two other investigations by assistant commissioner, Mr. Murphy, and a chief superintendent are ongoing, the investigation into the death of Mr. Barron is continuing and the commissioner, in the best interests of the public and the Garda Síochána, has directed the transfer of a number of personnel.

The allegations are being seriously addressed and much progress has been made. I have endeavoured to update the House regarding the action taken to date in respect of the allegations in question and I will continue to keep the House informed of important developments in the case.

Will the Minister acknowledge that if there was unauthorised tapping of phones, that would be a matter that would not necessarily be capable of being dealt with by the complaints commissioner and the only persons who would be aware of the unauthorised tapping or surveillance would be the people responsible directly for it? Will he acknowledge that unauthorised surveillance can nowadays be conducted without the central control facilities within a telecom com pany having to be brought into play and that it is possible that is what occurred in this case? Will the Minister clarify when he received the Carty report? Will he advise the House whether he will make the Carty report available to the Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Equality, Defence and Women's Rights after the DPP has determined there should or should not be prosecutions and upon the conclusion of any prosecutions that are brought?

Will the Minister clarify what is meant by "the need to transfer members of the force from the Donegal area in the interests of the gardaí and the general public". Is the Minister aware of what that obscure phrase means? Will he tell the House why it was in the interests of the Garda to transfer five members of the force, or possibly more, from the Donegal area and why it was in the interests of the general public? Will he clarify if those transfers have been effected?

I will repeat what I said in answer to the Deputy's original question. The question of the alleged tapping of phones was raised. In this regard, the Garda authorities have been in contact with the solicitors in question requesting clarification on a number of matters and I understand that a reply to this correspondence is awaited. Under the Interception of Postal Packets and Telecommunications Messages (Regulation) Act, 1993, which provides for the lawful interception of postal packets and telecommunications, a complaints referee examines complaints of alleged contraventions of the Act. The Bar Council and the Law Society have been advised that it is open to their members, if they consider that there may have been a contravention of the legislation, to apply to the complaints referee for an investigation into the matter.

With regard to the issue of transfers, the commissioner is responsible for the control and direction of the Garda Síochána, and that is as it should be. He decided, in the best interests of the public and the force, to transfer a number of personnel. That decision was his. We must take it that in those circumstances the move was in the best interests of the public and the force.

Why was it in the best interests of the force and the public?

I was informed in advance by the commissioner of his decision to transfer a number of the gardaí. I am satisfied that the commissioner knows what he is doing and that his decision was correct. He has my full backing in his attempts to restore public confidence in policing arrangements in Donegal, which was the objective of the exercise in the first instance. My view on publication of the report at present is that it would be wholly undesirable for me to do what Deputy Shatter requests. Clearly this is a matter for the Director of Public Prosecutions, who must decide, in his independent wisdom, how best he should proceed with regard to any individual or individuals named in that report and in respect of whom there are allegations. It is clearly not for me to interfere with that process. Suffice it to say that this is a matter of considerable interest to all Members and to the public. If there are to be prosecutions, they will be held in public and at an appropriate time, steps in relation to the publication of the report will be considered.

I cannot go any further than that and Deputy Shatter will know why.

Have the transfers been effected?

When was the Minister first alerted to concerns about the conduct of the Richie Barron murder investigation and the possibility of hoax bomb finds in Donegal? On what date did the Minister first receive the Carty report? In relation to the outstanding investigations, how many are ongoing and when will they be concluded? Will the Assistant Commissioner Murphy investigation produce a report and will that be published? In relation to other matters in the Carty report that are not the subject of purview by the DPP and that may not relate to prosecutions, i.e. operational matters, when will that be available to the Committee on Justice, Equality, Defence and Women's Rights for review?

Regarding the first two questions, I have no intention of misleading the House and I will try to ascertain the correct dates and communicate them to Deputy Howlin.

In relation to the other matters raised, I have a difficulty with the presentation or publication of a partial report. It is necessary, if there is to be a decision in relation to the publication of the report, that—

The Carty report?

Yes, the Carty report. That decision should be taken in the context of the publication of the entire report. Regarding the position in relation to Assistant Commissioner Murphy's report, the Deputy will be aware that Assistant Commissioner Murphy was instructed by the Garda Commissioner to investigate the matters raised by Deputies Howlin and Jim Higgins, who was then Fine Gael spokesperson on justice. I understand he interviewed both Deputies and that his investigation is proceeding.

As for a time scale it is my understanding that it will be completed shortly and it might be best if we were to await the outcome of that investigation before commenting on the perception of how it has been conducted.

Will it conclude in a report and will that report be published?

I cannot be definitive on whether it will conclude in a report, but there will in all probability be a report. Deputy Howlin was concerned – and Deputy Higgins to a lesser extent – that Assistant Commissioner Murphy wanted to know who was the informant. Both Deputies were reluctant to release the name of the person who contacted them, but there was no sinister motive in Assistant Commissioner Murphy, as Deputy Howlin will know, in seeking the name of the informant.

None is ascribed.

I acknowledge that. All that happened was Assistant Commissioner Murphy was trying to obtain the best evidence as opposed to hearsay evidence and the best evidence in any investigation would obviously come from the original informant. That was the only objective and I want to clarify that to be fair to Assistant Commissioner Murphy, who is an outstanding member of the Garda.

That is fully accepted.

His investigation is proceeding on a wholly honourable basis and we will have a report with his usual integrity.

Any other investigations?

The other inquiry is an inquiry following upon a complaint by an individual and that investigation is not yet completed.

No formal investigation of the phone tapping?

There are communications and correspondence between the Garda, the Bar Council and the Law Society regarding the possibility of utilising a referee and that is something they can consider.

I remind Members that with ordinary questions, supplementaries and answers to supplementaries are limited to one minute.

Question No. 5 taken with Question No. 1.

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