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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 25 Oct 2000

Vol. 524 No. 6

Teaching Council Bill, 2000: Second Stage (Resumed).

Question again proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

Yesterday evening I made the point that in view of the teacher shortage the Minister might consider that talented teachers are engaged in initiatives, such as the home-school liaison scheme. Is it always necessary to assign a teacher to such schemes? We believe in partnership between the school, the community and parents. At a time when we need teachers at the chalkface, perhaps the Minister and his officials, together with the teacher unions whose agreement would be necessary, might consider the possibility of assigning some of the functions currently carried out by teachers, such as those in the home-school liaison scheme, to other professionals and people who could be suitably trained to do that job.

Another point raised in the discussion on teacher shortages at the meeting of the Joint Committee on Education and Science yesterday evening was that many programmes promoted by the Department of Education and Science, the Minister and the Government have drawn teachers with a great deal of talent and expertise out of the system. They are seconded in many cases to the Department of Education and Science and other organisations, such as the NCVA and the curriculum development unit. Often the most talented and creative teachers are taken out of a school and used to promote these programmes. That is as it should be because many teachers have great initiative. However, perhaps we might consider putting a temporary restriction on the further release of teachers at a time when their talents might be better used in a classroom.

There was a high level of unemployment among the teaching profession in the 1980s and many teachers went to work abroad, particularly in the UK. Many of these might be encouraged to return home to work. I know FÁS has been involved in international employment fairs, particularly throughout Europe. Such fairs might give us an opportunity to encourage teachers to return home.

Other issues which will come within the remit of the Teaching Council include remuneration for teachers working in areas of serious disadvantage and specific training for people where teaching is a strain, particularly remedial and special teachers. I know they get an allowance but I am not sure it is adequate to compensate for the work required. The cost of living allowance applies in London and the nursing profession seems to be calling for it to be introduced here. If we want to retain teachers of the best calibre in the Dublin area in particular, we must try to ensure they are properly remunerated.

As regards training, every student teacher should be asked to teach in a school in an area where conditions in terms of the environment, home background and educational attainment are not perfect. That was one of the things I and my colleagues did when we were training for the teaching profession. Schools were not designated as educationally disadvantaged in those days. In one of our three periods of two-week classroom teaching we went to schools which were known to have difficulties and we knew what we would face.

I am a great believer in the Early Start and Breaking the Cycle initiatives. I know these programmes are costly but they are extremely worthwhile in a school and a community. Perhaps the Minister will consider how they can be expanded.

Large numbers of people who do not have the necessary qualifications work in schools. Creative ways of providing after school, weekend and summer training should be considered to allow people to enter the teaching profession. They have a big role to play. I said yesterday evening that everyone is not burnt out at 65 years of age. It is worth looking at the possibility of allowing teachers to work in certain circumstances where they are needed until they are 68 years of age. This provision used to apply in the primary school sector.

This Bill will significantly enhance the image and position of teachers and give them a role in the regulation of their profession. Issues such as teacher supply and the welfare and disciplining of teachers must be examined. I know it will take time to enact the Bill but I warmly welcome it. I commend the Minister on introducing it.

Ba mhaith liom fáilte a chur roimh an mBille seo. I welcome the introduction of the Bill. The general aim of the Bill is to promote teaching as a profession and the professional development of teachers, to maintain and improve the quality of teaching in the State, to provide for the establishment of standards for education and training of teachers, to provide for the registration and regulation of teachers, to enhance professional standards and competence and to establish a Teaching Council. This is an all-embracing concept as regards the council but I hope it is not aspirational and I wonder if the commitment exists to achieve it. I would be happy if the Minister indicated that he and the Government are wholeheartedly behind the Bill.

I raise these doubts for a number of reasons. This Bill has been on the Minister's, and his predecessor's, desk in the Department for two and a half years. If there was a vitality and a determination to bring this concept forward the Bill would have come before the House long ago. I accept that much consultation took place which is very important, and the teachers' unions are satisfied with and support this idea. I attended many teachers' conferences at Easter and one knows what immediate policy demands exist for the years to come. Ministers often take on board many of the suggestions which arise at such conferences as they are the most important statements made by the teachers' unions.

However, it has taken two and a half years for this Bill to come before the House and there is no financial commitment in the Bill towards the council. In his speech the Minister referred to unspecified registration fees. Will the budget at the disposal of the council, its director and members derive from these unspecified registration fees? I do not know whether the fee will be £50, £100 or whatever annually. I would like the Minister to give a commitment that whatever resources the Teaching Council requires will be made available by him and the Government.

I am particularly suspicious that the Minister has to ask the Minister for Finance for financial support for the council. I have been involved in education all my life and the Department and the Minister for Finance have always tightly controlled the financial reins when it comes to education. The situation is no different today. One could go through the list of inadequacies in education. Some school buildings are centuries old. We have made efforts to improve them but many are totally inadequate for children and teachers. I am somewhat concerned that the Department of Finance will strangle this council to death because it will not make the necessary finance available to make it work.

The Bill includes grand clichés about improving the status and morale of teachers. However, the majority of teachers are threatening a seven-day strike because they have lost their enthusiasm for teaching due to the physical conditions in which they work and the remuneration they receive. I will give the Minister one example of what I am talking about. What other professional group would wait for 28 years to reach the top of the pay scale? This system means that if I had stayed teaching a bricklayer would earn more than me after five years' training and all my years of experience.

The Minister is not meeting the teachers to settle this situation. Such a settlement would mean we can continue to provide education so that young people sitting examinations next June will not be denied their entitlements. The onus is on the Minister to introduce a proper pay structure for teachers.

The threat of strike action does not just apply to the ASTI. The TUI has stated that it is seeking a 30% plus pay increase. The teaching profession is entitled to a just remuneration for its services. The platitudes in the Minister's speech are welcome but they are meaningless when almost 16,000 ASTI members have decided that enough is enough and they want proper pay and working conditions. Most Members would support the teachers in this request. I call on the Minister to use whatever muscle he has to bring about a settlement with the Department of Finance which will have the ultimate say in releasing funding for this structure.

Teachers receive a degree allowance of £1,000 plus and a higher diploma allowance of £90 plus. Is the Minister suggesting that this would make anyone enthusiastic about entering the teaching profession? Would such allowances boost anyone's morale? These allowances work out at pence per week after tax but that is what teachers are receiving.

Deputy, we seem to be wandering well away from the Bill before the House.

I disagree, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle.

A passing reference is acceptable but a Deputy should not go into great detail.

The Minister in his Second Stage speech said the Bill was to promote the continuing education, training and professional development of teachers. Acquiring a degree and a diploma are part of that objective.

The Department has shown inadequate recognition of the development of teachers. The Mini ster will know that many new programmes were introduced at various levels by successive Ministers down the years. However, these programmes were implemented at school level on a pittance. I say that because where in-service training was provided, the Department conducted it in the evenings if it was available. In addition, the teacher got £18 for a day's in-service training. When the new programme for the junior certificate was inaugurated, we all went on in-service courses, schools were closed and we suffered accusations from various groups, including the media. On one topical morning show, our great supporter, the name of whom I dare not mention, continually harped on the idea that teachers were not in the classroom. They were out of class improving ways in which they could deliver this programme. The reason I say this is that even today the in-service training provided by the Department of Education and Science to improve the professional delivery of the education service is appalling. If the Minister is serious about the Bill and all the related topics I mentioned in the opening paragraph, he must seriously consider ways in which in-service training for teachers can be done properly. It should be part of policy that every seven to ten years teachers should be allowed one year out to replenish themselves regarding the changes taking place and to examine their involvement in education. It is necessary to recharge one's batteries every so often and, therefore, the Minister must examine ways in which this can be incorporated as a necessity, not just as a perk. Some people would say they may have a year out, but it must be a year out with full pay so they can recharge their batteries, replenish themselves and return with great enthusiasm to the classroom. That might be to the Leas-Cheann Comhairle's liking.

The two issues I mentioned, and primarily the long delay in bringing forward the legislation, makes me doubt the enthusiasm and sincerity with which this matter is being taken on board by the Minister, despite his plaudits last night in his speech. There is also the question of finance. I see no evidence of a commitment to provide finance.

There is also the matter of the appointments to the Teaching Council. The director of the Teaching Council and his staff will be appointed. Where will the council be located? This is an important question. If it is to be an autonomous body, will the Minister locate it in an annex in a building of the Department of Education and Science? Will he give it a building of its own and staff not seconded from the Department of Education and Science or officers previously employed by the Department who have been moved sideways and called director and staff of the Teaching Council? It is important that everything is done openly and transparently and that there are no shortcuts. If the concept, which is a good one and which is welcomed extensively by the partners involved in education, is progressed in a positive way, it will survive the test of time. However, if shortcuts are taken for reasons seen as necessary by the Mini ster or his officials, the Minister will sound an early death knell for the council, and that would be regrettable. Will the Minister indicate if he proposes to advertise initially for the post of director and the staff? I hope that, as in the case of the appointment of District Court judges, Ministers will not claim that a person they know would be a fine person for a position on this new council. I hope the Minister will indicate that, as this is to be established as a new council, everything about it will be new and it will be serviced properly.

I welcome the composition of the council in so far as the hallmark by which we would judge the effectiveness of a self-regulating body is how well it can regulate itself. That is why it is important that there is a good representation on it from the teaching bodies. I have the utmost confidence that when providing professional training and supporting professional staff, one could find no better people than practising teachers. I am pleased, therefore, that the Minister has included a majority of teachers in the membership of 37, and that it is also related to the teacher training areas.

I also welcome the fact that the Minister is making sure there will be national representation in addition to the other personnel within the council. I also hope the council will have a gender balance because an increasing number of teachers at primary level are female. While I welcome the fact that they are taking up posts as principal teachers which were not open to them in the past, there is also a need for a gender balance. It is patently obvious that the number of male teachers at any level is decreasing rapidly. Has the Department conducted any research on that matter? If that trend continues, there will be consequences. I do not mean to be critical of the ever increasing female presence in the teaching profession, but it will inevitably have its downside. This relates to what I said earlier about pay, structure and conditions and the fact that alternative more lucrative careers are easy to find. There is no point in continuing to work in a profession because it is satisfying. If the remuneration, which is a priority for everyone, is not satisfactory, there will be difficulties.

The consultation on the Bill has been excellent, but it will all come to naught if there is a body of teachers who are frustrated and whose remuneration and working conditions are inadequate. If that is the case, this country will be the loser. Ministers have always held up the education system as the flagship of our current prosperity. We must continue to do this and the only way that can be done is by the Minister meeting the teachers as a matter of urgency to resolve the current crisis.

Incidentally, I meet them all the time. The Deputy should not mind what he reads in the papers.

They are not very satisfied with what the Minister is telling them.

I am delighted to contribute to the debate on the Teaching Council Bill. It is hard to believe that it is only now that we are establishing an independent statutory agency to oversee the standards, policies and procedures for the education and training of teachers while also establishing a professional code of conduct. Such a move, which has been made in full consultation with the partners in education over a two and half year time span and which had been called for in 1991 and again in 1992 in the Green Paper, will benefit all those involved in education whether teachers, pupils or parents. As a former teacher, I fully endorse the principle that teachers should have their professional role recognised in a formal manner by the State. They should have a council that can promote teaching as a profession, establish, review and maintain codes of professional conduct for teachers, establish and maintain a register of teachers, establish and promote standards in programmes of teacher education and training, promote the continuing education, training and professional development of teachers, conduct inquiries where appropriate, impose sanctions in relation to fitness to teach, conduct or commission research, represent the teaching profession on educational issues and provide advice to the Minister. That is no small remit for any group to undertake.

That the majority of the 37 member council will be made up of teachers, teacher training colleges, parents' associations and management bodies, who will be elected by teachers, is a very important starting point. As in any other profession, a professional teaching council will develop a constantly evolving profession. There will be a true ability, through this Bill, for teachers to shape their own future and effectively contribute to education policy. This makes sense given that those who are at the coal face are perhaps the ones with the greatest knowledge and expertise. As the Minister said, this will confirm the status of teachers, entitle teachers to regulate their own affairs and empower teachers giving them greater responsibility for the standards and quality of Irish education.

Similarly, I fully accept that as a profession which has and will continue to have an impact on every young life, there should be a professional code of conduct so that students and parents can be confident that their teachers are well qualified and competent individuals and that there is a clear course of action that can be followed should parents or students feel these standards are not being met.

It goes without saying that teaching is a very highly regarded profession, and rightly so. Our teachers are, in the main, responsible and caring individuals who have the interests of their students to the fore often above and beyond the call of duty. Everyone of us can point to a number of teachers who would have fitted into this category when we were going through the education system. I am delighted to say that through my work in the House, I am continually heartened by the devotion that many teachers display to their students. These people who stand out in our thoughts act above and beyond the call of duty.

Investment in education has been the foundation and cornerstone of the Celtic tiger and our continued growth will depend on how much emphasis we place on our education system. This is a lesson I have learned in my constituency as we now face the consequences of, for example, the collapse of an industry that was a factor that assisted us in achieving a record of having 60% of an adult population who are early school leavers. Now is the time to reinforce the good work already begun in education. This Bill, which links into similar work in the North of Ireland, will not only have a symbolic but a real value throughout the island.

One major problem is that a teacher has, in a sense, no definition – there is no boundary. Sometimes a teacher is a social worker, always a role model, sometimes even a mother or a father, a mentor and obviously an educator. There is no definition, no set criteria, as to where this job starts and ends. Through the Teaching Council teachers need to have a mechanism to promote public awareness of the way in which they work and of the environment in which they work. They need a mechanism to get the message of their achievements across to encourage the profession in general. It seems that so far I have followed two careers that suffer from a serious lack of real mechanisms to get the entire picture across to the public. We need to compare the many opportunities now presented in so many different and alternative employment fields with the new challenges teachers face in their classrooms. Serious efforts in terms of public relations will have to be made to attract people into the profession.

It was suggested yesterday that every social ill leads to a pilot project in a school to cure it. In reality, too often the teacher is almost blamed for every social ill that arises. Teachers are supposed to cure all ills in the hours the school is open. We need to be more understanding of teachers and this message probably needs to be sent by themselves. This council, I trust, will assist in that.

At this point I will deviate slightly and say that while the council may advise, it will still take the Government to react, particularly with resources, to support the role and work of the teacher. The minimum a teacher will require is a decent form of accommodation in which to teach. I take the opportunity to thank the Minister for his recent announcement in regard to the community college in my town of Moville. The Minister has reacted very positively to the education needs in the Inishowen region. In this recent announcement, the Minister's ability to address the situation and adopt criteria to suit what was needed has been very much appreciated. We all look forward to seeing the school up and running in September 2001 and to the physical building being there in 2003.

There is a need for the development of facilities in other existing schools. During the Mini ster's recent visit to the peninsula, he was very much made aware of the need to support facilities in Carndonagh Community School, for extensions to Scoil Mhuire and the fast tracking of repairs and extensions to schools all over the peninsula. Given the moneys that have been injected into the capital programme by this Government, I am confident that all the current needs will be addressed.

I congratulate the Minister and the previous Minister, Deputy Martin, on increasing the number of support staff for schools, including classroom assistants, resource teachers and remedial teachers. I remember coming into the House four and a half years ago to address the issue of remedial teaching with the former Minister, Niamh Bhreathnach. The statistics were appalling at that stage. Whatever statistics looked good, were not realistic.

Teachers know they will have children with special needs in a given year and that they will need a classroom assistant or a resource teacher and inform the inspector of their probable needs very early in the year. It is a bit annoying that at this stage in the year when children are back, particularly those with special needs who are trying to integrate without any support, decisions about classroom assistants and resource teachers are not made. Perhaps teachers do not know of everybody who will enrol, but they have a fair idea. Given that the Minister is moving towards increasing the number of support staff and that this Government has an excellent record in relation to the numbers of support staff available, the delay in appointing them is putting undue pressure on teachers who have to wait that extra few weeks after the school year has started. When the Minister has done the basic work of providing the resource, it is just a matter of timing.

I congratulate all the teachers who are doing a great deal of work with regard to integration. Everybody has made the point that teaching has become totally different in the recent past and many people are working very hard towards integration. The Minister met a group in Inishowen. One can see the excellent work being done. This debate emphasised the negative aspects of teaching and one gets the feeling that all teachers are burnt out and bored with what they are doing. However, that is not the case. There are very motivated teachers, teachers who are interested in their communities who are doing everything they can to advance the situation. We need to continue to get supports to the classroom.

Coming from a music background, I encourage the Minister, as I do at every education committee meeting almost to the boredom of other Members, to examine the area of music therapy and music education in general for the development of slow learners and the general development, co-ordination, language development and rhythmic development of all children. While the council will examine the provision of in-service training, such training should encourage teachers to develop the music component, given that it is not only appropriate for the development of the slow learner or children with other special needs but for the development of all children from a young age.

I look forward to the implementation of a disadvantage programme under the Bill. Many teachers have been put under undue pressure due to the haphazard nature of the implementation of the previous scheme under which schools in towns where many children were disadvantaged were not designated as disadvantaged. I note that my school, Scóil Eoghain in Moville, was not designated as disadvantaged. The boys school in Carndonagh was given that status but not the girls school despite the fact that the children attending both come from the same background. That is the type of issue that puts pressure on teachers. Teachers in schools that are not designated as disadvantaged must deal with children who are disadvantaged and compete with schools designated as disadvantaged, although such status was allocated in a haphazard manner. I appreciate the initiative taken by the Minister in examining the criteria for awarding schools disadvantaged status.

The Teaching Council will advise on the supply of teachers. There is a difficulty in recruiting teachers in Donegal and we will have to look to the EU to recruit teachers. The Minister is aware that such teachers would have a difficulty with the Irish examination requirement. While I do not want to offend Gaelgeóirs, I have talked to people who have an excellent competency in spoken Irish and a good enough competency in written Irish, but they have a difficulty with the Irish examination, particularly that required for primary school teaching, which is more academic than practical. The policy on teaching Irish should be addressed in an honest fashion, given that young people who have spent 13 or 14 years learning Irish in school should be fluent in it, which is not the case, for whatever reason. This policy should be examined not only in the interests of teachers but also in the interests of students.

I welcome the discussion and good comment on cross-Border co-operation in the Bill. Given my location in Ulster, I appreciate the efforts being made in that regard. Given that teachers who have trained in the North may seek teaching posts in the South, we should try to fast track incremental resolutions in that regard.

The supply of teachers is linked to the availability of student grants. I was disappointed to learn from the reply to a parliamentary question I tabled recently that the number of students in receipt of a student grant has decreased from a high of 26,500 to 25,000. I am aware the Minister is examining the question of student grants in terms of the area of disadvantage. Eligibility for such grants should be based on net rather than gross income. If we are to encourage people to train as teachers, we will have to examine the sup ports given to particularly disadvantaged people who do not currently qualify for such grants and the difficulties experienced, particularly in Donegal, in light of the punt-pound differential.

I am uncertain about the difference between the role of the union and that of the Teaching Council, particularly in the case of a dispute. Where does the union stand if a complaint has been made against a teacher and is being dealt with under the dispute process. If there is an overlap between the roles of the two bodies, that area needs to be clarified.

We need a strong definition of what is expected of a teacher, as that will enable us to know what constitutes something that is wrong and that may lead to a teacher being taken off the register or being debarred from teaching.

An investigating committee and a disciplinary committee will deal with complaints. Will the membership of those committees be made up of teachers or will they also include people outside the teaching profession? There are two schools of thought regarding the membership of such committees. For example, many people complain that in the case of Garda complaints procedures the profession investigates itself, while others claim no one knows the profession better that those working in it. I would like the membership of those committees to be clarified.

Under the Bill teachers may be retained on the register subject to conditions or could be removed from it in the case of a serious wrongdoing. There will be a charge for getting on to the register. Will that be a nominal charge? If not, I am sure teachers who pay a union subscription will query what they will get out of being on the register.

Consideration should be given to examining more ways in which teachers, whether they have taught for 10 years, 15 years or longer, can divert from teaching. It is difficult for teachers to spend 40 years in one role and to still have a fresh approach to teaching. Consideration should be given, particularly in terms of in-service training, to enable teachers to have something more than a career break, given that anyone who has worked in the same job continually for 40 years is bound to lose his or her edge. We should support efforts to ensure teachers continue to adopt a fresh approach to their subjects.

I welcome the Bill. It is appropriate to have a code of conduct for teaching. Parents will welcome the fact that when they feel there is something seriously wrong, they can deal with it. I am concerned about the possible overlap of work between the union and the Teaching Council, but I am sure that will be clarified as time passes. I trust the council will be properly resourced to ensure it lives up to the ideals the Minister outlined very well.

I welcome the Bill and the opportunity to speak on it. This debate affords a broad ranging discussion on the important subject of education.

Having regard to the Chair's ruling, I urge the Minister to do everything possible to prevent the threatened strike taking place next week. While the Minister said he met the representatives of the union, apparently the strike is still threatened. Such a strike would disrupt pupils' studies and the work of the teachers concerned, many of whom do not want it to happen. Teachers have enough pressures. We will support the Minister in his efforts and I urge him to make a last ditch effort to resolve the dispute.

We have a very good education system ranging from primary level to secondary level to third level. I am not being political in saying that we must acknowledge that during the past decade the rainbow coalition started to ungrade our schools and they have continued to be upgraded. For too long, many primary schools were not of a suitable standard for children who come from modern homes with modern heating systems. Such difficulties did not arise in the past when schools had similar heating systems to those in our homes. Outdoor toilets are a thing of the past. We must acknowledge the great strides made in upgrading such schools. The only complaints I tend to get in this area are calls for an extra classroom, which are welcome, as they show we have a growing population.

The level of secondary education is marvellous. We have a range of private colleges and vocational schools. I take this opportunity to laud the vocational education committees for the tremendous work they have done in furthering secondary education. Through the vocational education system young people have been prepared for regional colleges. I am talking about regional technical colleges, the colleges of technology in this city, such as Bolton Street and Kevin Street, the Dublin Institute of Technology, which is now Dublin City University, and various regional technical colleges in Limerick, Sligo and Dundalk. These are marvellous opportunities for our young people. We should also acknowledge that young people appreciate and are taking up those opportunities. I was leaving Sligo last morning at 9 a.m. and I was delighted and proud to see hundreds of young people with their gear heading off to the local institute of technology from their apartments, flats and digs.

We must also recognise that young people have been educated through those schools to the level which allows them to take up the jobs now available in Ireland. Multinational companies such as Intel and Hewlett Packard are only setting up here because our young people have the skills for the jobs in those companies. We must acknowledge how educated and skilled our young people are.

That said, we cannot become complacent; technology moves very fast and we must keep abreast of it. Keeping abreast starts the day a child enters primary school. I recently visited a primary school in my village of Butlersbridge – I had not been there for two or three years.

There must be an election coming. The Deputy was slipping up.

I was slipping up. There were computers set aside in one classroom and I was proud to see that, as I did not realise the school was so advanced. It was marvelous to see the laptop computers. The teacher told me there was one downside to introducing the children to computers – in some homes a child would receive a computer for Christmas and could continue with what he or she had learnt in school. However, computers are costly and there are homes where income cannot be stretched to that kind of present, so some children are disadvantaged. The teacher was very astute in recognising that point and the Minister should take this on board. All children must be treated equally and what is available to one child should be available to all. A price range of £75 to £150 may not be much to a family with a high income or two incomes, but a single parent or parents on social welfare would find that hard to reach.

Grant aiding the introduction of new and necessary skills at home for children should be considered. When we started school we had pens and pencils, but now it is laptop computers and pressing buttons. I hope handwriting skills will not go down the drain as a result of all this modern technology.

We will have to have a separate handwriting course.

I am delighted to hear that, as this issue was raised with me. It shows that it pays for public representatives to visit these places and listen to teachers. We must acknowledge our dedicated teachers. It is true of any profession that there are very good and good practitioners along with some who may be slightly careless. That is where this council will come into play – to advise the Minister on what is important, what is needed and what is changing.

People may say that a membership of 37 is large, but it is not – a broad range of views is needed, such as those expressed by Deputies who have already contributed. The Minister cannot take all views on board, but he will get some ideas which can be brought forward. As some Members have said, if the board makes a recommendation the Minister should take it on board and that advice should be made public. If the Minister does not accept the advice he or she should come to the House and explain. There will have to be an explanation or the board will become a talking shop, which would be unacceptable.

It is proposed that two members of the board should be parents. I do not agree with that as the final figure. Parents are at the coal-face of educating children. When their children come home at 3 p.m. the parents take over. We must acknowledge the pressure being put on parents and two parents on the board does not recognise the role of the parent in the early stages of moulding the child in primary and secondary school. When young people get to third level they go off on their own and become independent but they still come back home on the weekend to discuss their problems.

If we have colleges of excellence in our region we should not be ashamed to highlight them; I mentioned the colleges in Bolton Street and Kevin Street already. There is a college of further studies in Cavan town which teaches computer skills. That was developed because two people in Cavan VEC used their initiative when they saw a need. They set this college up in a small convent in Cavan town and it has become so successful that children come to it from all over the country and it is now necessary to build a college in a greenfield site. Regrettably, the college is now scattered all over the town – it sets up a classroom anywhere it can get an office or a room. That is not a good way for children to make the most of the skills that are being taught to them.

The Minister should give a fair regional balance to third level education and should commit funding from the Minister for Finance for this project. The Tánaiste said at one point that the Exchequer was awash with money and I know where some of that can be spent positively. The Minister should be given the go-ahead to sanction the building of a new college of further studies for the benefit not just of the Cavan region but of the nation – students come to the college from Tipperary, Kilkenny and Limerick. Deputy Keaveney mentioned the cross-Border development of education. This is an opportunity for young people from Fermanagh to get to know their Southern counterparts through the educational system. I stress this point.

The Minister will appoint a director to this advisory council. I do not want to cast a slur on anyone's character, but I hope this will not be a job for a party hack who has no knowledge or understanding of the position. I concur with the view that the position should be advertised and a board should be established to interview prospective candidates to ensure that the Director is competent, understanding, can deal with the needs of the board and the education system and see to it that proper guidelines are laid down.

We have an excellent education system and our young people are more than capable of taking up the type of job vacancies that are becoming available. If we ensure the education system continues to develop so that these young people will be taught the skills they require, we will have done great work and the debate on this Bill will have been worthwhile.

I welcome the introduction of this legislation. On behalf of the principal of the vocational school in Longford town, I take this opportunity to thank the Minister and his Depart ment for permitting additional classes to proceed there.

The national school in Keenagh, my home village, was built during the term of office of the then Minister for Education, Deputy O'Rourke, when very little funding was available. Construction of the school proceeded without the provision of a utility room.

What is the name of the school to which the Deputy is referring?

Keenagh national school. It is stated that the then Minister, Deputy O'Rourke, said that when funding became available the utility room would be added. Members who worked as teachers understand the importance of a utility room because students can use it during spells of inclement weather when they cannot venture outside.

I hope the Minister will ensure that the refurbishment of the old part of Lanesborough community college will proceed as planned. With the Ceann Comhairle's permission, I will to read an item of correspondence into the record.

That is fine, so long as the Deputy does not become too parochial.

Someone once said that all politics is parochial. The letter to which I refer is concerned with people's discontent with the funding of voluntary secondary schools. For example, the authorities of St. Joseph's secondary school, Newtownforbes, County Longford, have already contacted the Minister about the funding of voluntary schools vis-a±-vis that of other secondary schools. Will he bring the funding of voluntary schools into line with that of other schools to ensure that they have access to adequate moneys?

Education is similar to health, one cannot spend enough money to satisfy everyone's demands. However, the Bill represents a step in the right direction. One of the gravest statistics relating to the current education system is the number of pupils who leave primary school without the basic skills of reading or writing. Crime statistics prove that people who leave primary level without these skills will not do well later on in terms of leading a normal life, gaining employment, etc. It would be a welcome development if the council the Minister is establishing under the Bill could deal with that issue in a forthright manner.

I do not doubt that the Minister will deal with the problem to which I refer as a matter of priority. I accept that new schools are being built and additional moneys are being invested in the education system. However, there is no point in trying to follow-up on the students to which I refer when they enter second level. Emphasis should be placed on identifying and helping them at primary level and it is there that additional funding should be invested. It is similar to a race, in that it is difficult to catch someone who gets a good start. I again thank the Minister for the good work he has done in my area.

Cuirim fáilte roimh an mBille um Chomhairle Mhúinteoireachta atá os comhair na Dála inniu. Tá súil agam gur ar leas daltaí, múinteoirí, tuismitheoirí agus na tíre ar fad a bheidh an Bille seo. Leagfar síos caighdeán, polasaí agus córas riaracháin d'oiliúnt mhúinteoirí, ullamhófar cód iompair ghairmeach agus bunófar comhairle mhúinteoireachta dá thoradh.

Bhí áthas orm an tAire a chloisint ag déanamh tagairt do bhunú comhairle mhúinteoireachta freisin i dtuaisceart na tíre agus go ndéanfar dul chun cinn le chéile sa chóras oideachais ar an dá thaobh den teorainn. Táim im' bhall de cheardchumann mhúinteoirí, Cumann Mhúinteoirí Éireann, a bhfuil baill aige i dtuaisceart agus i ndeisceart na tíre. Cuireann sin i gcuimhne dhom go mb'fhéidir go mba chóir dom a admháil go bhfuil seans ann go mbeidh buntáiste sa Bhille seo dom féin má fhillim ar an mhúinteoireacht amach anseo, ar eagla go ndéanfaí gearán fúm faoi Acht 1995, Eiticí in Oifigí Poiblí.

It is important to acknowledge the role of teachers and others in the steering committee which produced its report in October 1998. The report arises from recommendations made in the Green Paper and elsewhere over many years. Teachers have a record of welcoming, leading and driving change in education and in society. This Bill will enhance the status of their profession. As many Members have stated, that is not before time. The establishment of a teaching council has been sought by teachers and others involved in education for many years. Such a council will have an important effect on education.

The Teaching Council has the potential to play a key role in ensuring the highest standards among teachers and in the education system. It will also give teachers a key role in setting and maintaining standards and the professional council should have the effect of maintaining and developing those standards. Bodies such as the Medical Council and Bord Altranais operate in a similar vein in respect of doctors and nurses, respectively.

Teachers will also welcome recognition of their formal role as professionals. They will be entitled to regulate their affairs and they will be given greater responsibility for the standard and quality of the education system. One of the weaknesses of the system has been that while, in many respects, teachers have had a central role in the classroom, they have been by-standers in terms of setting standards and developing policy. I hope the establishment of the Teaching Council will redress the balance.

The council will be an independent statutory agency, with a role to play in terms of the regulation of the teaching profession. It will order the professional affairs of teachers and it will have an important role to play in terms of advising the Department of Education and Science in relation to other matters.

Section 7 sets out the very comprehensive list of functions which apply to the council. It states that the council shall "promote teaching as a profession" and "establish, review and maintain codes of professional conduct for teachers, which shall include standards of teaching, knowledge, skill and competence". It lists a comprehensive series of subheadings.

Some people will be surprised that the council will have 37 members, some of whom will be directly elected and some nominated by unions, colleges, parents, employers, the Minister and so on. Mistakes have been made in the past in trying to reduce the membership of various boards in the interests of avoiding unwieldiness. In many instances this had the effect of excluding interest groups who had a right to participation and representation on the various boards and councils. I believe this will not be the case in this instance and I am not worried about the size of the board. Many Members of this House have worked in local authorities and other bodies where there has been a membership of this order, or larger, and where people who have had an urgent need to have their voices heard have managed to make considerable progress and work for the betterment of their community. I believe this council will do likewise.

Many areas which are not specified will come within the remit of the council. There are areas where Members of this House would like to see the council play an active role, including advising the Department or taking a more central role in setting policy. I have been concerned recently about second level education and the pressure on minority interest subjects such as music and art, which have been long established in some schools. The pressure of retaining teachers for various other mainstream courses has had the effect of pushing these subjects to the periphery. It is not of great advantage for Departments to promote the arts, music and so on, at great cost at national level, if at the most fundamental level in the education system these subjects are being squeezed out by the claims of more traditional subjects. I would like the council to become active in this area. Naturally, specialist teachers of these subjects are less numerous than teachers of other subjects. However, in the professional milieu of the council with their peers they should be in a position to ensure these subjects are not squeezed further out of the system.

Computer studies is quite new and extremely fashionable. This has not become a Leaving Certificate subject in the way that was predicted ten years ago. It is a Leaving Certificate subject in some schools in the University of Limerick catchment area. In fact, it is marked for entry to some courses in the university but it has never been developed beyond that. This area could be examined because it may be the method by which matters such as this will be initially considered, driven by the impetus of the teachers of the specific subjects.

Most of us will have encountered difficulties which have arisen when teachers have sought to move between various countries. Sometimes Irish teachers seeking to teach abroad have had difficulty having their qualifications accepted and accredited elsewhere. More frequently, we have been dealing with people coming from the UK or other EU countries who have had difficulty, or enormous delays at least, in obtaining recognition in this country for their professional qualifications. This issue will be dealt with by the council more expeditiously than has been the case heretofore. This will improve the quality of education and the quality for practitioners at teaching level in having their business processed.

I want to refer to the role of the principal teacher in all schools, particularly in the smaller primary schools. This is truly an impossible job which requires recognition and support. This support network is not yet in place and I commend the Minister for the considerable progress made over the last 12 months or so. Having worked in this capacity for many years, I know from experience how difficult it is to deal with the huge range of responsibilities which arise simultaneously and which ultimately have an enormous impact on the standard of education available throughout rural Ireland in a great number of schools and affecting a massive number of pupils. It is also fair to acknowledge that there has been enormous progress in this area.

I recall 25 years ago having five classes with 42 pupils and having to deal with the curriculum. Fortunately, I was young and starry eyed and less easily put off than might now be the case. This situation would not arise nowadays. In all my time in the teaching profession, I did not have the services of either a remedial or resource teacher. I have been out of teaching for just eight years but all schools now have remedial teachers and a huge majority of them have access to resource teachers. This will improve even more dramatically next year. Therefore, it is fair to acknowledge that there has been an improvement in the provision of education and in support for teachers.

I welcome the provision for a code of conduct because I had forgotten that this did not exist. There is a lot more talk about codes of conduct in the political arena than in other professions. This will facilitate teachers in their professional work. It will clarify particular matters and remove areas of doubt. My former colleagues who still work in teaching have had to impose on themselves changes in the way they interact with their classes arising from scandals and the various difficulties which have arisen in recent years. The code of conduct will be very important and a tool of support for teachers, which is long overdue.

One of the challenges the council faces is attracting new entrants to the teaching profession. This has proven to be notoriously difficult in recent years, particularly in relation to men. It seems strange in an era when men are playing a more active and caring role within the family than was traditionally the case that they are abandoning in droves professions such as teaching and refusing to countenance or consider it as an option. This is a real challenge for the council and it will be interesting to see how it addresses it.

There has been a need for many years for more structured in-career development models. This is another role which will be taken up by the council. Many excellent courses have been available but there is a need to rationalise and scientifically set out the requirements of teachers in terms of courses and support systems. This will be a great challenge for the council in the early years. I hope it will address the issue quickly because this will have a positive impact on the quality of education for pupils and teachers, the benefits of which will be enormous.

The council will set up and maintain a register of teachers. I am interested in the provision for annual renewal of registration. It is not immediately apparent to me why this should be necessary. I have looked through the explanatory memorandum and listened to the Minister's speech but the reason why annual renewal might be necessary has not been adverted to. I am sure there is a sensible reason for this, no doubt people will have to pay a fee. In order to register in the first instance, teachers will have to attain a verifiable standard of teaching, knowledge, skill and competence. The council will decide what will be maintained on the register and this will apparently be available for inspection. This is an issue in which practising teachers will have a particular interest. Given the membership of the council, teachers' interests will certainly be looked after. However, people tend to be quite sensitive about information maintained on a register, particularly given that it is available for public inspection.

Only people on the register will be able to work as teachers in State-funded schools, which is a sensible provision. It may be very constricting in terms of the supply of teachers and schools requiring substitute teachers for three or four days, and this issue will need to be considered carefully by the council. The council may need to have a register of teachers available for permanent positions and also teachers on temporary registration who might be available for short-term work or for very specific work in areas in which they would have a sufficient level of competence to enable them work as teachers. The Bill allows for a great degree of flexibility and effectively allows the Teaching Council to make many decisions in this area. I hope a sensible approach will be taken to these matters. Perhaps the most important provisions relate to parents being assured that teachers working with their children have been recognised by a professional body. A clear and transparent course of action will be available to parents who have complaints about teachers working with their children. The Bill safeguards the rights of all the parties.

I know from experience that there were good, competent and decent teachers driven out of the profession as a result of attacks made on them while others who were unsuitable for the job and still others, as we have seen from court cases, who should never have been in schools, managed to remain there for 30 or 40 years. The fact that there was no way in which to address difficulties with teachers was an enormous weakness in the system. The safeguards in the Bill will enable complaints to be processed fairly and openly, the council to be the arbiter and the end result to be fair to all parties.

The system envisages setting up an investigatory committee and a disciplinary committee with the next step being the High Court. The Minister should consider having an intermediate appeals committee which would have a role after the investigatory and disciplinary committees had their say. It is a dramatic step to go from the findings of the disciplinary committee to the High Court. There may be good reasons for people being allowed access to an intermediate tier of an appeals committee.

I have difficulty envisaging how the investigatory committee will go about its work. No doubt tangible evidence will be available to it. Heretofore most of the evidence would have come from an inspector's report. It is important that the modus operandi of the committee be clearly set out in advance. It would be inappropriate to include it in the Bill but the council will need to be clear on its procedures and set them out in advance of any action it might take, particularly so as some of the determinations may be tested in the courts subsequently. Even if they were never tested, however, it is a tenet of natural justice that a clear process is set out for a person against whom complaints were made and that anyone with a concern about the level of service provided by the State, directly or indirectly, through the schools would be open to such scrutiny and such a system.

The Minister referred to third level colleges having more and more courses, some of them specifically to train teachers in various disciplines. The council will have a job determining what combination of the various degree and diplomas will be required in order to accredit a teacher. I welcome the provision for North-South co-operation. I am aware of the work of the joint working groups in the period since the Good Friday Agreement and the work of the Ministerial Council. There is room for much progress to be made in this area which will enhance the quality of education and the professional standing of teachers North and South. The biggest union, the INTO, has membership North and South and has had since the foundation of the State.

The Bill provides for the transfer of some of the Department's functions to the council and for the council to provide advice and advisory services to the Department. It is also charged with regulating teacher supply. This is an area that has bedevilled the Department and every practitioner in education for the past 20 years. At various times during my 20 years as school principal I remember having a huge panel of substitute teachers from which to pick if the need arose and, at others, knowing there was no one available within a 20 mile radius. We have not been good at managing our supply of teachers or foretelling the needs in the profession at various levels. It is important that we are certain there is a supply of teachers available.

Like other Deputies, I welcome the Bill which has been a long time in gestation. It was recommended in the Green Paper in 1992 and has been on the Minister's shelf for the best part of two years. It is one that all interested in education, especially teachers, will welcome.

We are discussing the Bill at a time of unprecedented crisis in the teaching profession. There are daily reports of industrial action which may be taken by the Association of Secondary Teachers in Ireland, the Teachers Union of Ireland and possibly down the road by the INTO. The Minister has a grave responsibility in this area but does not seem to be closely involved in resolving the problems. Why should a single day's schooling be lost if the Minister becomes involved? As was said of George Bush as Governor of Texas, the Minister seems to be a spectator watching the events that are happening. It is only recently that he met the TUI and INTO and in recent days asked for a meeting with the ASTI. It is deplorable that there has not been a real sense of engagement by the Minister to address the major problems of secondary teachers and bring about a resolution. I am proud to be a member of the ASTI.

The Bill is a big step forward in the professional recognition of teachers and is of great benefit to all elements, students, parents and teachers. It is past time that teachers, like other professions such as solicitors, accountants, barristers, doctors and nurses, had professional autonomy and self-regulation of their professional ethos. It is welcome that this status has been afforded to them.

The teaching profession has played a strong and historic role in our democracy. In the first decades of the State the local national school teacher was often the organiser of sports clubs and political parties and played a key role in motivating local communities. In the 1960s and 1970s, secondary teachers responded to the call of Donogh O'Malley to provide a free second level system. Over recent decades teachers have shown enormous generosity in meeting the huge demands of new curricula and teaching systems and of preparing pupils for new courses in universities while maintaining the service of extra-curricular activities including music, drama, public speaking, Gaelic games, association football, rugby and athletics. The teaching profession has been to the fore in organising many activities.

The current ASTI campaign highlights the tremendous sense of community engendered in schools and the core of that provision is with the teaching profession. My own school proudly remembers famous past pupils, including the Taoiseach, the Secretary General of the Department of Social, Community and Family Affairs and Mark Kinsella who is Roy Keane's right-hand man on the Irish football team. The personalities of pupils shape the ethos of a school but it originates in the qualities shown by the teaching staff.

Everyone recognises the role played by our 44,000 teachers in the recent economic achievements, particularly since 1995. While many factors, such as inward IT investment, the process of European integration and the fact that English is our vernacular helped to shape this economic miracle, the teachers of Ireland changed the mindset of our nation by developing new modules in electronics and by producing the independent minded and sophisticated young population who are beginning to take the economic helm and are bringing us our current success.

Many new courses have been developed, such as the leaving certificate vocational and the new junior certificate. Civil and political education, for which Deputy Michael Higgins campaigned for many years, was examined this year for the first time. Teachers have played a fundamental role and the recognition of their professional integrity in the provision of the teaching council is welcome.

The council has been a long time in gestation – the 1991 OECD report mentioned it. I pay tribute to my former, and I hope future, colleague, Niamh Bhreathnach whose White Paper provided the impetus for the Bill. I also welcome the fact that the central elements of the report of the steering committee have been followed closely in the Bill. I commend the Minister for this. However, I am dismayed that it has taken two years, since October 1998, to develop the Bill.

The issue of pay and conditions of teachers has developed in recent years. The ASTI felt it necessary to withdraw from the PPF in order to negotiate an increase in pay which would take cognisance of the major developments in education. Many people are appalled by the lethargic reaction of the Minister for Education and Science to this matter. Although he has briefed the Cabinet, he has only recently begun to interact with the trade unions and has not shown an interest in examining the benchmarking mechanism or in using the PPF to pursue negotiations with the three teacher unions. The ASTI withdrew from the PPF very reluctantly. The three teacher unions have adhered closely to all the national agreements since 1987 but the great disenchantment felt in the profession at pay and conditions is reflected in the fact that the recent ASTI vote was 9 to 1 in favour of industrial action. The Minister having failed to respond in a significant way to calls for negotiations, 90% of ASTI members had no option but to take some form of industrial action.

Many teachers feel the avenue of industrial action must be explored because the nature of their job has become much more complex and pressurised. We have seen a plethora of new curricula over the past 30 years and particularly in the last decade. I commend the Government on providing a financial package for IT development in schools. However, this package will not be successful if teachers do not have the necessary skills to develop and implement IT programmes. This places an extra burden on the teaching profession. The enormous pressure on each cohort of students to enter third level remains and the most attractive third level courses are still oversubscribed. Many second level teachers carry the enormous burden of trying to ensure that their pupils succeed in public examinations.

In the mid-1990s my colleague, Niamh Bhreathnach, introduced new middle management systems in schools involving assistant head teachers along with deputy principals and assistant principals over subject areas and the main activities of the school. This was a very valuable development but it needs greater resources than the Government has provided.

The pressure of the public examination structure has intensified, given the increasingly public nature of the examinations. Given that each student may now see his or her own answer paper, teachers are more accountable than ever before. One of the major reasons for the great burden on teachers is the failure of the Minister and his predecessor, Deputy Martin, to give significant support to the secretarial and administrative function in schools. I have already raised the matter of the need for secretaries and caretakers in primary schools but the situation in voluntary second level schools is also appalling. I refer to the JMB 2001 budget submission. Secretarial and caretaker grants of £10,500 and £7,950 respectively do not even encompass the notion of a living wage. This anomaly needs to be addressed. Schools with less than 200 pupils do not receive any grants. There has been, therefore, no development worth talking about under the Minister, Deputy Woods, or his predecessor, Deputy Martin, in terms of administrative and secretarial support. As a consequence, ordinary teachers with a full 22 hour teaching programme have to carry the burden.

The pupil-teacher ratio is still far too high. The Deputy from Clare mentioned that he taught classes of 42 pupils. There are still classes of that dimension and above. A huge proportion of primary school classes and some popular second level classes have more than 30 pupils. The Minister has moved towards a ratio of 18:1, but this is still far from satisfactory. We should be aiming at a ratio of 15:1.

The burden of principal and vice-principals has increased greatly in recent years. We should not pretend that a proper middle management system, properly resourced, has been put in place in schools. Teachers face a plethora of new responsibilities imposed on them by legislation, in particular the Education Welfare Bill which, although welcome, in the sense that it deals with the issue of school attendance, places enormous pressures, in terms of time and resources, on the hard-pressed teaching profession.

This time last year we were in the midst of the nurses dispute which was preceded six months before by the famous blue flu in the Garda Síochána. Prison officers also took industrial action. Public sector workers are determined to get their fair share, to which they are entitled. In this context why should we expect secondary or primary school teachers to be any different?

The Deputy is moving outside the substance of the Bill.

If we want to have an autonomous, highly regarded teaching profession, we have to provide for the pay and conditions to which they are entitled. While the Bill highlights teacher supply as a key element, the three teaching unions and the teaching profession in general are gravely disenchanted with the Government. There is a need for urgent action before school time is lost and pupils go unsupervised. There is a need for negotiation to reach a settlement of the dispute.

I warmly welcome section 7 which promotes the importance of the teaching profession and as one young people should consider pursuing. It also highlights teacher supply as a key element. I also warmly welcome section 8 which deals with the membership of the Teaching Council on which colleges of education, universities, boards of management, parents' associations, the trade union movement and employers will be represented.

Teachers have expressed concern about sections 12 to 22. They are not clear how much seed capital the Teaching Council will have and how it will be financed in its first two years of operation. This is a grave weakness. Teachers are also anxious to know what premises will be available. If the council is to be a key institution of our democracy, it is critical that it is provided with the capital resources that it needs.

A colleague of mine referred to the annual registration fee. Members of other professions such as solicitors and doctors are allowed to claim their annual registration fee against their tax. The Minister and his colleague, the Minister for Finance, Deputy McCreevy, should consider applying this condition to teachers.

I warmly welcome section 6 which provides for the introduction of a professional code of conduct which will be the responsibility of the Teaching Council. It is noted that the teaching unions will continue to have important responsibilities in such matters as service, salaries and pensions.

Section 28 and later sections deal with the register and the information to be contained therein. It is welcome that it will be covered by the Freedom of Information Act.

Section 38 deals with the continuing education and professional development of teachers. It is a key section. It is noted that the Teaching Council will have important responsibilities in such matters as research into training methods, maintaining a high level of public awareness of the teaching profession and reviewing training programmes.

While I warmly welcome the Bill, the teaching profession faces a great crisis which I hope the Minister will address with the urgency it deserves.

Much has been said about education. The two points that are true are that it has become a lifelong process and that it is facing a changing world. Compared to their role five years ago we are now looking at a completely different type of teacher. Much has happened in the intervening period with the result that the job specification of primary and secondary teachers is now completely different. Social and economic changes exert huge pressures on teachers. The new responsibilities imposed on them by legislation as leaders in their local communities to respond to the particular needs of families are additional to the long list of responsibilities already attached to their job.

There is an administration issue and it did not arise only during the term of office of the Minister, Deputy Woods. Secretarial and caretaking functions were often rolled into the job to be done by teachers. This is no longer the case. The responsibilities of teachers are now so great that we, as legislators, and the Department should not ask them to extend their duties to act as secretary and caretaker as part of the one job. If we are to take seriously the issues which the Teaching Council will raise, we first have to understand and then address all these issues.

Teachers are working more and more hours at home. Because of the pressure they are under and because of its complex nature, teachers take much work home with them. This is not a political issue, but this role of teachers was not recognised by successive Governments and as a result they were not paid for it. Nevertheless, teachers continue to engage in the process. If they did not we would not have the same degree of efficiency and care in our schools.

More than ever before, teachers need to expand on their educational base. They must continue to do courses to bring themselves up to date with developments. To opt out of a normal day's routine to participate in a pressurised course, to get from it as much as possible in the shortest time period and put what has been absorbed into operation in the daily work programme adds a further pressure. Coupled with the information technology revolution, we are also asking teachers to keep up to date. The specification for the job is constantly expanding and demanding more and more from the people employed and expected to be employed in the profession.

Information communication technology works two ways. Pupils can draw down from a website so much information to assist with homework and to expand their knowledge that they almost compete with the teacher in the classroom, who has to contend with all the other responsibilities to which I have referred. While teachers keep up to date with changes in education and in the subject they teach they are also expected to keep up to date with the revolution in information communication technology. It is an extraordinary challenge for the profession, but teachers have met it head on. On a daily basis they continue to deliver a quality education system to the young students who are fortunate to participate in their classes.

It is time we acknowledged all of this in monetary terms. The Opposition may say the Minister has not done so. Ministers have not done so since long before I became a Member of this House. We should admit we are all responsible. Teachers deserve a significant increase in remuneration because they are seeking to catch up.

A bishop in my area, God rest him, used to ask, "Who will care for the carers"? That should be applied to teachers. The Bill goes some way to dealing with the issues of concern to the 44,000 teachers and the three trade unions. It also goes some way to empower them to deal with the issues that affect their lives on a daily basis. I hope it will give them the finance to put the structures in place to assist in delivery. This is also a good Bill for pupils, parents and the country because, in one way or another, we are all associated with the educational process.

The code of conduct referred to in the Bill will bring about a new discipline in the teaching profession. It will be good for teachers, pupils and parents. They can refer to it and be judged by it. Perhaps it will become a benchmark for future developments in this area.

The Minister said the council will lead and drive all aspects of change in education. That is a serious challenge. It is a very broad statement, but the 37 members of the council will find the whole issue of education a challenge, as will the Department. If this power is to be granted to the council and if we expect it to respond to the needs of those involved in education, the Department must be open, proactive, be prepared to put its money where its mouth is and run with the development of education in terms of what is required and demanded of it by the council. If that does not happen we will not serve education well and the establishment of the council and enactment of this legislation will be ineffective.

The Minister and the Government, however, have the will to ensure that the council is established and that the necessary finance is available. I hope the officials in the Department, with the politicians in this House, will meet the challenge this legislation will present. We will have to become more proactive. Hitherto we reacted to issues of the day but education is now such a serious issue we will have to be proactive and allocate the necessary finance. In this regard I hope a secretariat and headquarters will be supplied to the council as a matter of course.

We must also recognise the revolution that is driving education. It is not happening within the Department or the teaching profession, but within the communities, representing the parents and all of those interested in education. They are asking for and forcing on us pre-school facilities and the homework club initiative. They are demanding that we respond positively in terms of finance. There is a desire for education and a hunger in communities for continuing education and a desire to give it the priority it deserves.

When we talk about attracting teachers into the system we must be careful about what is happening in the communities. It is not necessary for those involved in homework clubs to be fully qualified teachers. If we acknowledge that they need some qualification and begin to acknowledge that one does not need to be fully qualified in the various areas at primary and second level we might attract more people into the system. If we build into the system re-education programmes or further courses so that such people can become fully qualified as they progress we will make it far more attractive for younger people to become involved as teachers in the education system.

There are difficulties at primary level, especially with regard to infrastructure. This has a bearing on attracting people to the teaching profession. There is a need to modernise the primary school infrastructure, including the buildings. They should be made more accessible. Computers and IT systems should be part of every classroom and not just a room at the end of the corridor. This will require substantial funding. There is a need to be proactive in this regard.

With regard to getting young people to attend school I note from a report that the Garda and officers are available to monitor those who do not attend. I know of a child in my constituency who missed 59 days out of 169. He is one of many. That is unacceptable. These patterns can be broken through the deployment of specialised teachers in schools in marginalised areas. This would enable them to cross reference between the school, the pupil that is having difficulty or a dysfunctional family.

We must address this issue because the success of the homework club, the pre-school initiative and the other initiatives announced by the Minister depends on catching the people falling out of mainstream education. That is where the real problem lies. We can address it if we put enough specialist teachers into the system who can liaise between the school, family and pupil. If one breaks down the problem it becomes apparent that one may have to deal with the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform, the local gardaí, an official from the health board and the Department of Education and Science. There should be one way of dealing with this particular problem.

Dyslexia, autism and other specialised areas have been in the news a lot lately. Those areas should be addressed in terms of teachers' qualifications and the number of teachers in our schools. People who are mildly disabled should be accommodated in mainstream education. That is what the families want and they want an assurance from the education sector that there will be more involvement of those people in mainstream education. In doing that we will address a host of other problems with which families are confronted.

I mention autism in particular because a number of families in my own constituency have raised with me the problem of not being able to access mainstream education, knowing that their child can be assessed and that there are possibilities for them within the mainstream educational structure. I ask for more teachers in that area.

There is another report available which highlights various problems in the care of disturbed children. If there were more teachers in the system and specialists in this area, they could interact with the family and rather than an official from the health board or a garda calling to the house, someone who understands the problem and who would be willing to interact with that person could intervene.

I want to refer briefly to a recent statement by the Minister for Education and Science in which he said that the south east region had the lowest number of take-ups for third level education. He announced the appointment of a director and a secretariat to Ciaran's College in Kilkenny to encourage the take-up of third level places. In the course of that announcement the Minister also said that we could link up with the industrial base in that region.

In terms of the Teaching Council Bill, we will find that there is a demand for outreach centres and we will have the development of that outreach centre in Kilkenny. There is a need, through information technology, to go beyond what is available in the region and to look towards Cork or to Queens – an outreach centre in Armagh. All of that can be brought to the doorstep of those who want to access second chance education in Kilkenny and to take up specific courses tailored for the industrial base. In that way a child could go from pre-school to primary to secondary to third level within their own region. We must respond to the needs of that industrial base, particularly in the areas of finance, computer skills and telecentres. That is the type of education we must develop.

Other speakers referred to the need for teachers in art and design to be recognised. In Kilkenny, which is synonymous with design because of the design centre, an arts course is taking shape within the VEC structure, albeit a small one. When something like that happens at community level, and there is enormous drive and initiative in that area, the Department should tap into that new energy and ensure that a life is given to it. We are the leading exporters of design software in the world. Surely the art and the design form can be linked together to provide a course under the umbrella of an outreach centre. That is not impossible. It is a new concept but we will find that the policies of the teaching council will be community driven and will be activated from the bottom up. That being the case, it will come up against a demand by local communities for radical change in the way we approach our education system, the way teachers qualify and how their needs are met. If we respond to that, the job of this 37 person council will be made that much easier.

The qualifications for teachers should be streamlined. Recently I dealt with a case which involved a voluntary school versus a community school whereby a H.Dip in French is required in one but not in the other. The lady who requires the H.Dip in French is qualified and is actually teaching teachers, yet she is not allowed to become permanent in that school because she does not have a H.Dip. To take the H.Dip she would have to remove herself from the system, spend £2,000 to £3,000 to qualify and then try to get a job two years down the road. That is not acceptable. There must be a flexible approach to such matters but the current system is not flexible, it does not deal with them and it is not responsive. It does not deal with real life issues. That problem could be dealt with easily and in considering the role of the council, I ask the Minister to ensure that such issues do not arise in the future.

I want to refer to teachers who are substituting without qualification. A report was submitted to the Oireachtas committee on education recently requesting that it be found to allow these teachers to qualify over a period of time, to move from being non-qualified substitute teachers to being qualified teachers. That is not beyond the possibility of consideration and I support their case. I know the report was before the committee again today and I ask that it be given serious consideration. In his contribution the Minister said that this issue might be dealt with on Committee Stage. I hope he brings forward the appropriate resolutions.

The issue of school attendance officers in urban areas can be addressed in consultation with the teachers. More consultation on that matter is needed so that marginalised communities in particular can benefit from the work of the council and the involvement of more teachers and attendance officers in mainstream education.

I commend the Bill. It has provided a wonderful opportunity to discuss the many issues facing education. I commend the Minister on his work to date.

I am glad to have the opportunity to speak on the Teaching Council Bill. It is an interesting Bill in that it allows us to discuss a wide area of educational issues which are vitally important. Most people, but not all, who spoke on the Bill are teachers of one form or another. I am not a teacher but we have two newly qualified young teachers in our house and a number of other family members in third level education.

Irrespective of where one comes from, for parents this Bill is hugely important. I have had a great interest in education over the years. I assume that the Minister's contribution contained a number of aspirations; that is usually the case in these matters. There is a mammoth task involved in setting up the teaching council but it is a step in the right direction.

The Bill will promote the professional development of teachers, which is very important. I will return to that subject later. It will maintain and improve the quality of teaching. The establishment of standards, policies and procedures for the education and training of teachers is important but that will be done by the teachers themselves. The self-regulatory aspect of the Bill is something that will be welcomed by all teachers. The Bill also imposes enormous responsibility on teachers but that is the case with the IMO and the nursing profession, for example. This Bill is good news for teachers who are trained and doing their job properly but it might not be for others.

The ideals the Bill seeks to attain must be highly commended, although we must wait to see if they are fulfilled. This Bill is of immense importance for the 44,000 teachers in the country, for the welfare and future of students and for parents and the community. It is only right to reflect on what parents expect from the implementation of this Bill, such as a good education for their children.

The Bill creates an opportunity for parents to take action if a teacher fails to meet the standards laid down. I have been a Member of this House for a long time and I have seen problems in communities where parents and a particular teacher fell out for one reason or another. As Deputy Killeen said and he should know after teaching for 20 years, some teachers were unnecessarily hounded out of the school system while others, who were not pulling their weight, were allowed to continue teaching. It will be extremely important for the council to address that fairly.

There is an element of self-regulation in the Bill and that is as it should be. However, if a profession wants to make progress, it is important for its members to believe their work is appreciated and that they are having an impact. It is the same for a Member of this House, a Minister, an engineer, a doctor or a farmer. Unless people believe they have a contribution to make and unless it is seen by society as being important, it will be difficult to encourage people to enter that profession. That is what is wrong in the teaching profession at present. Many teachers feel they are being leap-frogged by other professions and this permeates to the students. It is important for people's work to be appreciated and for society to understand and accept their contribution.

I want to give the House an idea of how teaching is viewed at present. A week ago I had the pleasure of speaking to approximately 70 third year students in a community school in north Galway. Most of the boys and girls came from rural backgrounds and they were intelligent. To liven up the proceedings, I asked them what they would like to do when they left school. When I asked who would like to be an engineer, two or three students put up their hands. When I asked who would like to be a nurse, two or three girls put up their hands. When I asked who would like to become involved in computers, 60 of the 70 students put up their hands or, in some cases, their two hands. However, when I asked who wanted to be a teacher, only two were interested. Two or three students wanted to be welders. Although 80% of them had walked through a farmer's gate that morning, only one wanted to become involved in farming.

I know these students will probably change their minds when they go to university, but it is significant that they thought about becoming involved in professions other than teaching. I have no doubt if I had been in the same school ten years ago there would have been a greater interest in teaching.

I am a long time in this House and I have seen good and bad budgets. I have also seen times when we were strapped for cash and the only cash we had was that which we borrowed. However, Governments always ensured they invested in education, perhaps not at the same pace as at present but at a pace relative to other professions. I make no apologies for any Government doing that. The birds have now come home to roost. We can argue and I accept that EU integration, our position in Europe, inward investment and technology played a part, but if we did not have the education system we have had for the past 20 or 25 years we would not be much different from anywhere else. Every pound we spent on education was well worthwhile. It is important to continue to do that.

It is important to look closely at the reasons many young people drop out of school. It is a major worry that many illiterate people come through the system. Last night I saw an excellent programme on television about illiteracy which was presented by Teri Garvey. I have great sympathy for a person who cannot sign his or her name on an application form. As a Member of this House, I come across this problem regularly. This is a problem in major centres but also and particularly in rural Ireland. It is difficult to understand how a boy or girl can go through national and secondary school without learning to read and write.

I knew a person on the programme last night although he comes from County Mayo. His name is Ernie Sweeney and he had the character and the guts to say on the television he was not able to read or write. He was lucky because an employer told him if he could learn enough vocabulary to be able to identify things in a store he would give him a job. He got the job some months later. That programme would have done more than anything else to highlight the problem if enough people had seen it. I hope the teaching council addresses this problem in great detail.

I assume there was a consultative process. While this Bill has nothing to do with the teaching unions, they should give it their blessing. There will be great benefits for the unions and their members. If we want to change the image of teaching and if we want teachers to take their place among other professions, we must ensure they are paid at a similar rate.

This Bill is very welcome from a parents' point of view provided it is implemented. Teachers play an extremely important role in the community and more and more parents have come to understand the role teachers play in the future and in the well-being of their children. In a debate such as this we should reflect on the excellent contribution teachers have made and the huge responsibilities they shoulder. The Minister and society will face great difficulties if teachers as a body are beginning to think their work is under-valued or that their contribution is somewhat less than it should be. However, those problems will be as nothing compared with those faced by children.

Primary schools are a fundamental bedrock of the entire education system. However, the fact that about 2,000 untrained teachers are involved in the system highlights the fact that there has been little strategic planning concerning the numbers required. Someone should have been examining this issue ten years ago and we cannot blame the Minister. The same happened with nurses and the medical profession.

I wish to refer to the back-to-education scheme. For one reason or another many people drop out of second and third level education but there is now an opportunity for them to return. However, many people have been extremely frustrated in their efforts to get back into education. The Minister will know what I am talking about as he was instrumental in introducing the scheme as Minister for Social Welfare.

I am aware of a 32 year old married man in east Galway who is on a low income and who decided to return to a third level institution. One of the social welfare criteria for doing so is that one must be signing on for 150 weeks. Unfortunately, this man had only 100 or 110 contributions and was deemed ineligible. I raised this issue with the Departments of Education and Science and Social, Community and Family Affairs but one would imagine the two had set out to scuttle one another. The Minister talks about synchronisation among Departments but the reality is far different. The Department of Education and Science claims that people should return to education as it is good for the economy, the workforce and the individuals concerned. However, the Department of Social, Community and Family Affairs wanted to get this man off the live register as quickly as possible and did not agree he should be allowed to leave a low paid job and draw social welfare to return to third level education. This is a tug-of-war in which many people are caught. There is much anger and frustration over this situation and I hope the new council will address this issue.

We should spare a thought for school principals, many of whom have outlined their present workload in comparison to five years ago. There is no doubt they would want to be like octopuses to keep pace with all the material coming at them from all sides and at all levels. School principals are the core of the system but their work is under-valued and they have so many things to which they have to pay attention. If things are not right at the principal's level then the whole school suffers.

It is unacceptable that national school principals in poor areas have to clean their schools. FÁS has made an excellent input into the school system through the social employment schemes. However, the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment, Deputy Harney, has changed the structure of the schemes. As a result, the continuity which existed by way of caretakers will come to an end. This service was built up in many schools and unless the Minister and her Department change the rules, school management boards will have to pay caretakers or teachers will have to do the work. This is not the right direction in which to go. These are fundamental matters which affect the image and performance of teachers. There has been increased investment in the education system including in information technology. Teachers have to be retrained in IT which poses a significant hurdle for many of them.

Under the Bill, the High Court will be the final recourse for teachers deemed to be below standard. This is an extreme measure. I may be missing something but it is a pity there is no appeals mechanism between the disciplinary committee and the High Court. Bringing these issues to the High Court is a significant escalation and one would have thought these matters should be dealt with at a lower level. I hope the Minister will refer to this issue in his reply as it is of concern to many Deputies.

Why do members have to register every year? Once they are registered and have attained the required standard, one would think they should only be taken off the register if anything untoward happened. The Minister might refer to this matter.

I commend the Bill which is a significant step forward for education. However, I hope it is not aspirational as there is no room for such an approach. The Bill will have to be concrete as it will form the foundation for education for the next 25 or 30 years. I hope the contributions made in this House and elsewhere will mean that the future education of our children will be even better than in the past.

I welcome this Bill which has been a long time coming. In many respects teachers have operated in a vacuum which has led to many difficulties for teachers, parents and pupils. Hopefully the establishment of a teaching council and the other measures in the Bill will address the past difficulties.

Autonomy and self-regulation are almost the order of the day and the creation of this council for teachers should result in a structure and forum which will benefit all. Parents and pupils should be happier in the knowledge that teachers must reach the highest standards of qualification and adhere to a professional code of conduct. There will also be a procedural structure through which parents can seek to air their concerns or complaints if they believe there is a shortcoming in the service provided. All of these measures should ensure that the highest standards are maintained.

A good education system is the bedrock of any good society and we have always prided ourselves on the excellence of our system. In doing so, while I acknowledge the great contribution of many, we have glossed over many shortcomings. I particularly wish to refer to the large number – in the region of 20% – of adults who have reading difficulties. Generations of people have passed through the system and regrettably it has failed them. I realise that successive Ministers have sought to address this through the adult education process but more measures need to be taken in the initial years at primary level. Many people working in and associated with the system were and still are oblivious to the difficulties in this area. Many young children were put to the back of the classroom and categorised as having no intellectual ability when in fact a few small measures could have prevented much difficulty subsequently. Sadly this situation still persists in a large number of schools.

I welcome the establishment by the Minister of the special report group on dyslexia which is due to report to him within the next couple of months. This group chaired by Peadar Cronin has an important role to play and I urge the many people involved to tell their stories as it may assist others. While I do not want to pre-empt the findings of the group, I believe it will paint a bleak picture of an almost total lack of understanding of dyslexia, an inability to recognise it and little knowledge available on how to deal with it. The blame for this does not lie with individual teachers but rather with a system, which does not recognise such a condition or its central role and which has not sought to address it at the teacher training level. The challenge for the Minister will be in how he responds to this issue. We can learn from the measures taken by other countries and I look forward to the Minister dealing with this sorry affair. The closing date for submissions is Friday, 27 October, but I would hope that the review group would be lenient in the acceptance of submissions.

Before I came into the House I received a telephone call from a lady who has been in touch with me over the past few years. She said she saw the advertisement and has made a submission. She said that I had sent her information a few years ago on the various facilities in place for children with dyslexia, but that she has never encountered them. It is a problem throughout the country. It is not necessarily the Minister's fault. Successive Ministers have just not been aware of it. It is an area which needs to be dealt with.

I am not familiar with the members of the review group, but it is important that some of them would not be solely from the educational system. Many teachers to whom I have spoken at various conferences and elsewhere, including teachers – I would not necessarily include Deputy Kenny among them – in my parliamentary party, fail to recognise that there is such a condition as dyslexia. They are still of the opinion that one third of students are bright, one third are in the middle and one third are like their fathers and mothers and, therefore, are put at the back of the class. The Teaching Council Bill makes mention of the research carried out and there is an onus on the Teaching Council to publish the research, but it is important that no matter how damning the report, which, if it is to be an accurate reflection of what is out there, will be damning, the Minister should publish it. One of the difficulties with many such reports is that when the report is submitted, either the Civil Service or the Minister does not like the tone of it, various spins are put on it and by the time it is published the people are worn out. I would like to see that report published as soon as possible.

The weight of children's school bags is a topic which comes to the fore at this time of the year. The Minister's predecessor set up a study group, a report was published and many glossy leaflets were distributed but the problem still persists. There appears to be an unwillingness on behalf of the Department and school boards of management to tackle this problem. They are content to let it drift along and feel they have done their bit by disseminating the information. This must be followed-up and carelessness should not be acceptable in this area. If it is not adequately dealt with, it will come back to haunt us. Several people are weary from raising it.

Following the report of the Minister's review group, the lovely glossy leaflets are evident lying about the place but the school bags are still getting heavier. I do not know what measures can be taken but there is a need for follow-up through the boards of management and the teachers, whether on the basis of an organised seminar or otherwise, because children up and down the country can still be seen dragging their school bags along behind them.

The Minister stated in his speech that the Bill will improve the morale of teachers. A measure taken in recent years to assist in morale was the concept of job-sharing. This would allow spouses to take time out, generally to spend with their young families. It was a positive step and, if implemented in the correct spirit, can be of benefit to all. However, it has been brought to my attention that this may not always be the case as some principals have a difficulty and in order to overcome this difficulty they have gone out of their way to make the process unworkable.

I am aware of a school, which thankfully is not in my constituency, where three out of four job-sharing teachers are required to come in for periods during the five days and the remaining person must come in for four days. This defeats the purpose of the scheme. In addition, often the classes are programmed at either end of the day. This is certainly not in keeping with the spirit of the scheme. I do not know what measures can be taken to overcome it. Perhaps the Minister could issue a directive re-emphasising the spirit of the scheme because in many cases teachers may be unwilling to tackle this issue at a local level.

I would hope that the establishment of the council will be viewed by teachers as a recognition of the need for them to regulate their own affairs. Teaching can be a much maligned profession, as the usual throwaway remark about long holidays will confirm, but the role of the teacher has evolved, often to take the place of parent or guardian and on occasion to act as counsellor to the parent. Home-school liaison teachers now go out into the community and this reflects the difficulties many family units are experiencing. If we get the basics right, it can make life so much easier in the future.

One of the objects of the council, as outlined in section 6, is to promote the continuing education and training and professional development of teachers and this is dealt with in Part IV, where section 38 refers to the council conducting research, publishing its findings and promoting the benefits of continuing education.

I realise that the time available to the Minister was limited, but he did deal with this section. In my view this is perhaps the most important aspect of the Bill. One of the basic flaws in the education system is the almost total lack of in-service training for teachers. Some may argue that there has been an improvement and the training days are being provided, however, it is possible for a teacher to go through several decades without receiving further education. Virtually all companies and bodies invest a major part of their funding in re-training, but this is something we have failed to do in many State institutions. Methods and practices evolve and we must do so with them. The new council should take great care when dealing with this issue and should look at the feasibility of introducing a properly structured body to implement the various required measures. Every five or six years a teacher should be able to go back into full-time training in the various teacher training colleges or relevant universities for a three to six month period.

If I may divert from the Bill for a moment, I wish to mention a few local issues. On the subject of building projects, in my home town of Baltinglass approval was given for a PE hall co-inciden tally in May 1997. If the project proceeds at full steam, it will not be ready by June 2002. In effect by the time somebody gets to use it a full cycle of pupils will have gone through the system. This is something for which the Department is to blame. We can talk about the lack of resources, planners and architects in the school system and the building boom, but it is unacceptable that a project takes so long to complete. There is also a difficulty with the PE hall in Arklow and with several other building projects in the constituency.

Deputy Timmins, you are wandering a little from the substance of the Bill.

I wandered lonely as a cloud, a Cheann Comhairle, but I will wander back.

Wait until he gets to Arklow.

Part V deals with the fitness to teach. While the vast majority of teachers perform their duties in an excellent manner, as in any other profession some do not. There must be a means to address this. We are all familiar with the primary school which is low in numbers because parents are choosing to send their children to another school they perceive as being more advantageous to their children. This should not be the case as one should be able to obtain an education in one's own locality.

Debate adjourned.
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