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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 8 Nov 2000

Vol. 525 No. 3

Priority Questions. - House Prices.

Ivan Yates

Question:

92 Mr. Yates asked the Minister for the Environment and Local Government if his Department has carried out any assessment of the numbers of people seeking private housing accommodation and who are unable to afford to purchase new housing as a result of the escalation in house prices over the past three years; if his attention has been drawn to the fact that the Government's policies over that period have not brought the increase in supply of houses that was predicted nor the stabilisation of house prices; and if he proposes any further measures to deal with the current crisis in private housing, affordable housing and social housing. [24702/00]

Since coming into office I have commissioned three major reports on the housing market with particular focus on the supply of and demand for housing and the affordability of housing. The Government has responded positively to the findings of these reports in Action on House Prices – April 1998, Action on the Housing Market – March 1999 and earlier this year in Action on Housing.

Government strategy, which is proving effective, is to increase housing supply to meet demand and to improve affordability, particularly for first time purchasers. Since 1997 housing output has increased by 20% and is expected to reach 50,000 units this year. House price data for recent months indicate further moderation in the rate of increase in average house prices. There is also firm evidence that first time buyers are gain ing an increasing share of the new housing market. These trends may be attributed to reduced investor activity in response to measures introduced in Action on Housing and the sustained increases in housing output.

The provision of £6 billion for social and affordable housing in the national development plan, augmented by further investment of almost £1 billion announced in Action on Housing, will ensure that the social and affordable housing needs of almost 100,000 households will be met with Government assistance over the period of the plan.

Part V of the Planning and Development Act, which was commenced on 1 November, requires local authorities to prepare housing strategies to address the housing needs of all sectors of the community, including those in need of social and affordable housing. This requires local authorities to make an assessment of current and projected needs for housing in their areas, to prepare housing strategies and vary their development plans to incorporate the strategies. Guidelines for planning authorities on the preparation of their housing strategies together with a model housing strategy are being finalised and will be published later this month.

I pay tribute to the Minister of State's hard neck in refusing to recognise the reality that, of all the Government's failures in the past three years, the most spectacular has been with regard to housing. Will he acknowledge that there are 40,000 people in the greater Dublin area who cannot afford a house, given that the average industrial wage is £16,000 and the average price of a house in Dublin is in excess of £200,000? Will he also acknowledge that there will be a further crisis with the huge increase in rents due to the implementation of the Bacon reports and that the house purchase crisis will move into the rented sector? Will he acknowledge that the SLI and the three Bacon reports have been a failure in bringing about stability in house prices over the past three years? Will he take direct action to ensure there is adequate planning staff and speedy resolution of contracts for sanitary services so serviced land can be made available to build the 60,000 houses per year we require?

All the infrastructure proposals that were necessary to increase the supply of building land have been approved by the Minister, Deputy Dempsey. Two years ago the local authorities were invited to submit proposals for opening land zoned for residential development but which could not be developed because it did not have services. Under the serviced land initiative approximately 129,000 sites will have come on stream by the end of next year. The figure is already nearly 100,000. That is in excess of what we initially expected. There has been outstanding improvement with regard to serviced residential zoned land.

The local authorities have been asked to increase their house building programmes and to front load them as far as possible. With regard to house prices and the demand for housing, the Deputy must recognise that there has been a huge increase in demand. To get the house building industry to the level of increased capacity to increase its output, it was necessary to examine the entire industry. A range of steps have been taken to remove what were identified as obstacles or constraints.

The situation with regard to planning has improved enormously, as has the availability of serviced land. Funding from the Department for public and social housing has been expanded enormously.

This is like listening to fairy tales. Is the Minister ever out there in the real world?

I am. The difficulty—

This is unbelievable.

—is to get supply equating with the level of demand. There is no point pretending that demand levels have not increased enormously. We have had to ratchet up our house building industry to meet that level of demand and output has been increasing successfully.

Government policy has focused on housing supply. We have been building record numbers of houses in recent years in response to the sustained high level of demand. The demand has been boosted by record levels of economic growth, historically low interest rates, increasing employment, rising levels of personal disposable income and the demographic changes, including high immigration and growth in the key household formation population age groups. These factors have presented us with a huge challenge and we are responding to it. Total output in 1997—

May I ask a final supplementary?

A brief one because the time is almost up.

We know about the demand for housing and we do not need to be told about the demographics. Will the Minister acknowledge that the third Bacon report stated that not one new serviced site had been provided despite the Minister being three years in office? Will he acknowledge that 40,000 people are seeking private housing in the greater Dublin area and that this represents a crisis? Will he agree that what the Government has done is the equivalent of playing with a thermometer in an overheated room and that its policies have failed?

The policy can be judged only by results and the results are in the housing statistics.

Where are they? Many people cannot buy a house.

In 1997, the last year the Deputy's party was in Government, only 38,000 houses were built.

What price were they?

We expect to complete more than 50,000 houses this year.

Can they be bought at 1997 prices?

We set a target of 55,000. Huffing and puffing does not build houses.

Billy Timmins

Question:

93 Mr. Timmins asked the Minister for the Environment and Local Government the average price of a new house for a first time buyer in June 1997, June 1998, June 1999 and June 2000; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [24703/00]

I refer the Deputy to the reply to Question No. 345 of 17 October 2000, in which I outlined that while my Department does not publish definitive information on the average house price paid by first time buyers, analysis of house purchase loan survey data available to my Department indicates that typical first time buyer prices are generally around 25% to 30% below the overall average house price. The survey, which includes information on about 30% of all mortgage based housing transactions, reveals the following annual trends in national average new house prices purchased by first time buyers. The average price paid by first time buyers for a new house in 1997 was £74,000 while in 1998 it was £81,500. Last year, the average first time buyer new house price was £99,600. In the first six months of this year the average new house price paid by first time buyers was £110,700.

The reply is indicative of the points the Minister raised earlier. The Minister has presided, according to his figures, over a period when prices have increased by £36,000 for a first time buyer.

The Deputy must ask a question.

The Minister outlined several policies he intends to implement to increase supply and reduce the increase in house prices.

With regard to compiling figures, he employed consultants to devise a calculation method for his Department. At what stage is their report? When can we expect the list of strategic development zones? We have heard much about them, but that list has not yet been published.

The Minister of State said he would consider alternative means of construction. I would like to hear his views on the claim by members of Century Homes that they consider the wooden struc ture home has been hindered by a policy of his Department. Is he aware of the various directives his Department issued on this?

A register of State lands was promised by the by Minister for Finance. At what stage is the compilation of the Department's register of State lands?

If the Deputy wishes to ask a number of separate questions, he should table questions on those matters. This question before us relates to the average price of new houses, with which I have dealt.

The Minister of State's reply reflects the position in which he finds himself. He cannot answer the hard questions. He can give replies to questions he was not asked. He can tell us about the rental commission, but when he is asked about a few hard facts, what the figures are, he is not capable of giving an answer.

He talked about local authorities implementing a model housing strategy. When will that famous model be presented? At what stage is it? It is similar to the Town Renewal Bill, which was passed in June, but cannot be implemented as local authorities do not have guidelines on how to implement it. It is fantastic to pass legislation and set out details of it in a document, but nothing can be done in this case because the Government has not put in place the necessary human and fiscal resources to facilitate its implementation.

The Deputy must confine himself to questions.

I have no problem answering questions. If I am asked a question about house prices, I will deal with that issue, but the Deputy raised a number of other matters that arise in other questions on the Order Paper.

The Minister of State hopes we will not reach them.

If questions are asked about matters that are the subject of subsequent questions, they can be dealt with then. If they are not dealt with specifically then, I will be happy to give the information to the Deputy at any stage.

The Minister of State is being deliberately evasive.

He hopes they will not be reached.

I am not being evasive. The reality is—

Given the position in which Minister of State's finds himself, it is difficult to answer some of these questions. Will he agree that house prices are increasing at a greater rate than in previous years? That seems to be the indication from all the financial institutions. As his Department may be out of synchronisation with them, I would like to hear his view on that.

I have no problem answering the Deputy's question regarding house prices. He is totally mistaken in believing that house prices are accelerating faster than they did in previous years; the opposite is the case. Government policy in this area is working.

Rental prices are rocketing.

House prices are moderating. Anybody who is not aware of that is only giving expression to his or her lack of knowledge of the sector.

The rate of increase is 14.8% as against 11.3%.

We must have order. These are priority questions. Only the Deputy who tabled the question should ask a supplementary, other Deputies should not intervene.

The Deputies opposite are not happy that the Government's policy is working.

The electorate will be waiting for the Minister of State.

I called on Deputy Yates not to intervene. It is unfair of him to do so, as he is using up the time of the Deputy who tabled the question.

The Minister of State did not answer any of Deputy Timmins's questions.

We have substantially increased output, which Deputy Yates's question states did not occur. Deputy Timmins question refers to house prices. The situation will be fully revealed when the final figures are available shortly in the Department, which is the only comprehensive assessment of what is happening in the house price market, as we will have all the information from all the agencies. Separate publications are issued by building societies, banks and other institutions. We have the comprehensive price list and it is based on the same method of calculating the rise or fall of house prices—

The time allocated for priority questions is concluded. We must now proceed to Question No. 95. I remind Members of the strict time that applies.

The Minister is massaging the figures.

Deputy Yates has suggested that I would massage the figures—

Absolutely.

—that I would alter the figures.

Deputy Yates is not entitled to intervene in this priority question.

He put a spin on the figures to show that they were going down.

I have called Question No. 95.

We have had three years of policy failures and he has no solutions.

As a Member of this House, my reputation—

The Irish Permanent Building Society—

—has been attacked by Deputy Yates who said I have changed the figures.

Deputy Yates, please resume your seat. I have called Question No. 95.

There are the IPBS figures and the ESRI figures.

Does the Minister of State know the meaning of the word "massage"?

Order, please.

There is no better man to spin the situation to say his policies are working.

The Deputy should withdraw that allegation.

There is no better man to massage the figures.

That is a cheap shot form a cheap party spokesman.

I call Question No. 95.

Is the Minister of State spinning the figures?

I ask the Deputy to withdraw that allegation.

He is spinning them.

I ask him, as a gentleman, if he is that, to withdraw that.

I did not hear any of those remarks. Deputy Yates is not entitled to intervene in this priority question.

He repeated it three times.

Deputy Yates is not entitled to make disorderly interruptions.

The Minister of State is only trying to waste time to ensure we do not reach later questions.

The remarks were heard over here.

The Chair did not hear the remarks as there was total disorder in the House. The Chair was endeavouring to get Deputy Yates to resume his seat.

I ask him—

That is mock indignation from the Minister of State.

We will proceed with Question No. 95.

That was a bad performance.

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