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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 6 Nov 2002

Vol. 556 No. 4

Ceisteanna – Questions. Priority Questions. - Departmental Properties.

Seamus Healy

Question:

46 Mr. Healy asked the Minister for Defence the position regarding the sale or disposal of military barracks closed during the last Government's term of office; the discussions which have taken place in his Department regarding possible streamlining of the Defence Forces or the closure of additional military barracks; and the proposals for upgrading military barracks or transfer of military personnel to existing military barracks, including the decision to transfer military personnel to Kickham Barracks, Clonmel, County Tipperary. [20734/02]

Marian Harkin

Question:

49 Ms Harkin asked the Minister for Defence his plans to reduce the activities of or close the military post in Manorhamilton, County Leitrim; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [20808/02]

Dinny McGinley

Question:

115 Mr. McGinley asked the Minister for Defence the position regarding the sale of various Army barracks' and property; the total payments received for properties sold; and if the proceeds of sales are being used for the benefit of the Defence Forces. [20662/02]

Dinny McGinley

Question:

116 Mr. McGinley asked the Minister for Defence if there are plans to dispose of additional Department of Defence properties; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [20663/02]

Bernard J. Durkan

Question:

126 Mr. Durkan asked the Minister for Defence the total moneys accruing to date from disposal of various military barracks or installations throughout the country; the use to which such funds have been put; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [20856/02]

Bernard J. Durkan

Question:

128 Mr. Durkan asked the Minister for Defence the use to which the various military installations in County Kildare, which were closed down in 1998, are being put; if income is or has been generated; if so, the amount of income; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [20858/02]

I propose to take Questions Nos. 46, 49, 115, 116, 126 and 128 together.

On 15 July 1998, the Government approved a programme of evacuation and sale of six barracks which are considered surplus to military requirements. The barracks in question are located at Fermoy, Castleblayney, Naas, Kildare, Ballinollig and Clancy Barracks, Dublin.

The sale of 19.218 acres at the former Fitzgerald Camp, Fermoy, to Cork County Council, in conjunction with IDA Ireland, for €973,889 has been completed. In relation to Castleblayney, the sale of the property to the North Eastern Health Board for €761,843 has been completed.

The former Devoy Barracks, Naas, County Kildare, comprises an area of approximately 22 acres. The Minister for Defence agreed to cede seven acres, free of charge, to Naas Urban District Council and to sell one acre to Kildare County Council for €380,921, all for local community purposes. The Minister also agreed to sell the remaining 14 acres or thereabouts, which are zoned for housing, to Naas Urban District Council for €8,888,167. The sales have been completed.

Magee Barracks, Kildare, still remains to be sold. At present, approximately 15 acres of the property are being used by the Reception and Integration Agency of the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform to accommodate asylum seekers and a further site comprising approximately one acre is being used by Kildare County Council as a temporary halting site for 20 persons.

Agreement has been reached for the sale of approximately 91 acres of the total lands comprising 138 acres at Murphy Barracks, Ballincollig, and it is hoped to close the sale shortly. Negotiations are continuing regarding the sale of the Department's reversionary leasehold interest in a further area of about six acres at the former Murphy Barracks. Approximately 27 acres of the barracks' lands will be handed over to Cork County Council for community use on completion of the sale. The Department accepted an offer in June 2002 for the sale of Clancy Barracks in Dublin. It is hoped to have a contract of sale completed shortly.

The White Paper on Defence of February 2000 set out the decision of Government to maintain a strength of 10,500 within the Permanent Defence Force. The transfer of military units between barracks may arise from time to time for various operational or other reasons. A decision was taken to decentralise a number of units to Kickham Barracks in Clonmel. The units which moved to Clonmel were the directorate of military police, directorate of reserve forces and HQ1 southern brigade, FCA. These three units comprise 23 personnel in all. The transfers took effect on 30 September-1 October 2002. The Minister has no plans to close any further barracks.

As regards the military post at Manorhamilton, this is the location of D Company, 19th Infantry Battalion, and is situated in the Old School House, which is the property of the Department of Defence. The current Permanent Defence Force strength attached to this unit is two NCOs and one private. As the Minister indicated in his reply to Question No. 135 on 22 October 2002, a military board, namely, the Reserve Defence Force review implementation board, was established to formulate a plan for the implementation of the recommendations of the special steering group on the reserve. The Minister for Defence established the steering group in 1998 to undertake a study of the reserve and the group reported to him in September 1999. In June this year, the Minister received the draft Reserve Defence Force review implementation board report from the Chief of Staff and that draft report is currently under examination.

The steering group report did propose an amalgamation of the 19th Infantry Battalion and the 24th Infantry Battalion. The military authorities have advised that the proposed amalgamation will provide an optimal environment for personnel in the relevant areas to partake actively in the new enhanced Reserve Defence Force envisaged both by the reserve steering group and by the recent military implementation board.

Additional informationI am advised that this proposed amalgamation will not affect the use of the current departmental premises in Manorhamilton. In addition to the foregoing properties, agreements have also been reached for the sale of the following: 3.0192 acres at Sarsfield Barracks, Limerick, to Limerick City Council for €1.162 million; 1.559 acres at Waterford Barracks to Waterford Corporation for €0.662 million; 20 acres of the Curragh lands to Kildare County Council for €0.273 million to assist with the construction of the Kildare bypass; married quarters at Orchard Park, Curragh, County Kildare, to residents, which will realise €3.8 approximately – to date €2.8 million has been received; three sites at Renmore, comprising approximately ten acres, to Galway City Council for €250,316; and 1.07 acres at Arbour Hill to the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform for €3.174 million.

Consideration is being given to the disposal of part of the lands at Gormanston Camp. However, it is intended that the military camp, comprising 58 acres, will be retained. A total of 6.39 acres, known as "Susan's field", adjoining Collins Barracks, Cork, has been sold to Cork Corporation for €1.523 million. In addition to the foregoing properties, which are surplus to requirements, and in the context of the White Paper on Defence and the management of resources in the best possible way, the military authorities have been asked to identify any additional properties considered surplus to requirements. This process is ongoing.

The barracks reinvestment programme was initiated by the Minister for Defence in 1999 to complement expenditure on the normal range of building and engineering works for the purpose of providing modern living, operational and training accommodation for the Defence Forces. It was agreed that the proceeds from the sale of the barracks would be used to fund this reinvestment programme, which is centred mainly on the Curragh Camp and on Collins Barracks, Cork. The total cost of the programme, estimated to the end of 2002, is €68.75 million. The programme commenced in 1999 and the final projects will be placed in 2002.

Expenditure on the programme to date is as follows: 1999 –€3.6 million; 2000 –€10 million; 2001 –€38.7 million; 2002 – estimated €16.45 million; total – estimated €68.75 million. Details of expenditure, project costs and progress to date are shown in the following table:

Barracks Reinvestment Programme

Estimated Cost€m

Remarks

Swimming pool, gymnasium Curragh

8.1

Completed

Technical clothing stores, Curragh

7

Completed

Dining complex-NCOs' mess, west Curragh

4.3

completed

Single officers accomm., Connolly Barracks, Curragh

3.2

Completed

Armoury, Collins Barracks, Cork

3.3

Completed

NCOs' mess, east Curragh

2.5

Completed

Ordnance-transport school, Curragh

3.4

Completed

Men's dining hall, Collins Barracks, Cork

2.1

Completed

Transport tech stores, Curragh

2.4

Completed

New NCOs' mess, Cork

1.7

Completed

Gymnasium-sports centre, Cork

2.7

Completed

Workshops and stores, Connolly/Plunkett Barracks, Curragh

3.7

Completed

Communications, engineering building, Cathal Brugha

2.9

Completed

Upgrade accommodation blocks, Clarke Barracks, Curragh

1.5

Completed

Upgrade accommodation blocks, Cathal Brugha Barracks

0.93

Completed

Accommodation block, McKee Barracks

1.9

Contract signed October 2002

Civil works, Coolmoney Camp (Works)

0.9

Contract signed September 2002

Accommodation blocks, Cathal Brugha Barracks

1.8

Contract signed September 2002

Accommodation blocks, Sarsfield Barracks

0.62

Contract signed October 2002

Cookhouse and dining hall, Renmore Barracks

3.6

Contract signed September 2002

Combined vehicle workshop, Curragh Camp

9

Contract signed January 2002

Upgrading of billets-huts, Coolmoney Camp

1.2

Tenders being evaluated

Total

68.75

I welcome the decentralisation of services to Kickham Barracks, Clonmel, and the statement that the Minister has no further plans to close military establishments. What discussions, if any, have taken place, in the context of the Estimates and the budgetary process within the Department, about cutbacks and how they might affect manpower levels in the Defence Forces and the continued existence of military establishments throughout the country? Have there been any reports or discussions in the Department regarding reductions in numbers or the possible closure of facilities, in light of the Taoiseach's statement yesterday about further cutbacks? Some of the six barracks which were sold contained accommodation for retired military personnel. What is the situation of those individuals? Will the Minister give an assurance that natural wastage will not be used in the coming year to reduce the numbers serving in the Defence Forces? Will all vacancies that arise be filled?

There is a commitment in the programme for Government for 10,500 personnel to serve in the Defence Forces. As of 30 September, the strength was 10,606, which includes 242 recruits in training. The Estimate provides for a total strength of 10,500 with an additional 250 recruits in training at any time. That remains the commitment of the Government. This year 468 privates, cadets and apprentices have been recruited and the recruitment programme will continue.

I spoke earlier about the savings under various subheads but as the Estimates process continues there will be various considerations to be taken into account. It is the intention of the Government to maintain the Defence Forces and not to sell any further Army facilities. My reply also refers to agreements that have been reached with regard to small acreages at Sarsfield Barracks, Limerick, and Waterford Barracks. It is our intention to meet our commitments.

It is proposed to amalgamate the 19th and the 24th Infantry Battalions. This will almost inevitably lead to a downgrading of the Manorhamilton military post. Is the Minister of State aware of the importance of that military post? It is part of the infrastructure of the town, which serves a wide geographical area from Drumkeerin in County Leitrim to Ballyshannon bridge in County Donegal and from Dowra and Blacklion in west Cavan to Calry and Ballintore in County Sligo. Does she comprehend that any streamlining or reorganisation of this post would be equivalent to removing a small Government industry from a small rural town? How will the downgrading of such a post in a rural area be justified in terms of rural proofing, which has been promised in the White Paper on rural development?

I am advised that the proposed amalgamation will not affect the use of the Department's premises in Manorhamilton. I appreciate that such a unit would have a major impact in a rural area. If the amalgamation goes ahead as proposed, consideration will be given to rural proofing and the effect on the area.

Can I take it that if the amalgamation goes ahead, as it presumably will, it will not result in any downgrading of the activities currently undertaken in the military post in Manorhamilton?

The military authorities have advised that the proposed amalgamation will provide an optimal environment for personnel in the relevant areas to partake actively in the new enhanced Reserve Defence Force envisaged by the steering group and by the military implementation board. It is not envisaged that there will be any downgrading of Manorhamilton.

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