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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 17 Dec 2002

Vol. 559 No. 5

Private Members' Business. - Housing Policy: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann, concerned that Ireland is now facing its worst housing crisis since the foundation of the State having regard to the fact that new house prices have increased by almost 100% (more than four times the rate of inflation) since the election of the Fianna Fáil-Progressive Democrats Government in 1997; that the numbers on the local authority waiting lists have increased from 26,000 to 48,000; and that homelessness has increased to 6,000:

condemns the following actions taken by the Government since the general election that have deepened the housing crisis including:

cutting the provision in the Estimates for 2003 for social housing by 5%;

abandoning the social housing provisions of the Planning and Development Acts;

capping rent supplements for tenants in private rented dwellings;

abolishing the first-time buyer's grant and increasing VAT on homes which, together, will add approximately €6,000 to the cost of purchasing a new home;

and, particularly concerned at the abolition of the first-time buyer's grant and the capping of rent supplements, resolves that:

the Housing (New House Grants etc.) Regulations, 1990 (Amendment) Regulations, 2002; and

the Social Welfare (Consolidated Supplementary Welfare Allowance) (Amendment) (No. 1) Regulations, 2002, be and are hereby annulled.

I wish to share my time with Deputies Lynch and Upton.

Is that agreed? Agreed.

Before June 1997, when Fianna Fáil and the Progressive Democrats formed a Government, the average price of a new house was just under €100,000. Three weeks ago the Permanent TSB survey of house prices showed that the average price had broken through the €200,000 barrier for the first time. That is an increase of more than 100%, four times the rate of inflation, three times the rate of increase in average earnings and more than twice the increase in the cost of building index.

Those are the figures for the country as a whole. In the larger urban centres, the increase in house prices has been even more dramatic. In Dublin the average price of a new house has increased from €124,000 to more than €300,000 in the five and a half years of the Fianna Fáil-Progressive Democrats Government.

That is not all. As average prices have increased, the average size of a new house has diminished. An article by Donal Buckley in the current edition of Housing Times, which is published by HomeBond, adds a new dimension to the house price issue: “One of the ways in which builders have curtailed the growth in new house prices has been by reducing the floor space in new homes on the Dublin market”. Referring to both Dublin and the rest of the country, he says, “In both markets, apartments, which are generally smaller in size, are increasing their share of the market”. Later in the same article, he tells us:

In 1998, houses in the 90 – 125 sq. m. category accounted for 71% of all Dublin houses being built and 61% of country houses. However, in the last few years in Dublin this category has been pared back to 51% of a larger market.

In other words, after five and a half years of Fianna Fáil and the Progressive Democrats the house buyer is paying more than twice the price for a much smaller dwelling.

Inevitably, thousands of families on good modest incomes have been priced out of the housing market. This is acknowledged by those who work in the market. The Property Review 2002-2003 recently published by Lisney states, "Many first time buyers have been priced out of the Dublin market altogether and counties like Wicklow, Kildare, Meath and Louth have seen a dramatic increase in starter home sales".

The Minister of State with responsibility for housing, Deputy Noel Ahern, seems to have difficulty in grasping this message. On Question Time on 28 November last, he offered us the following ministerial perspective on house prices: "I believe that people on good incomes will have no difficulty buying homes for themselves". He declined to define "a good income" but went on to explain, "I am simply saying that somehow or other, these people – I have heard Deputy Gilmore's comment previously about the garda and the nurse and so on – seem to manage".

In case we think the Minister was caught momentarily off balance in a robust Dáil exchange, these comments repeat almost verbatim his interview in the current issue of Cornerstone, the magazine of the Homeless Agency. The article states:

Noel Ahern questioned some of the stories about affordability. "I hear an awful lot about the nurse and the doctor and the nurse and the guard who can't afford to buy a house. Yet I see them out there and they seem to be doing it. Expectations have gone through the roof".

So now we have it. The aspirations of the young working couple to buy their own home is considered by the Minister of State with responsibility for housing to be an expectation too far.

The Minister of State does not have to rely on stories he is hearing or on what I say to conclude that home ownership has now been put beyond the reach of a huge chunk of young people by the Government in which he serves. There is now an official measure of housing affordability. It is defined in the Planning and Development Act, 2000. Using that measure, each local authority last year drew up a housing strategy in which it estimated the number of newly forming households that can not afford to buy their own home over the next five years.

The Minister of State has to date not published the aggregate results of the housing strategies. However, four agencies, Focus Ireland, the Simon Community of Ireland, the Society of St. Vincent de Paul and Threshold, have together independently analysed the housing strategies and, in the report which they published last month entitled, Housing – Access for All, they concluded that: "It is projected that 33% of new households will not be able to afford to become home owners, based on the calculations prescribed under Part V; that figure rises to 42% in urban areas". We know that in Dublin it is almost 50%.

The greatest change in society brought about by the Fianna Fáil-PD Government concerns home ownership. In its five and a half year reign and, amazingly, during the period of our country's greatest economic success, it has changed housing tenure from the normality of home ownership to one where anything between one third and half of new households are priced out of owning their own home. This is the Government which has put home ownership beyond the reach of working people. The enormous implications of this for public housing policy and society have not yet been fully grasped by the Government.

The immediate consequence has been a dramatic increase in private renting. In 1997 there were approximately 135,000 private rented tenancies. Today there are about 200,000. Like house prices, rents have also shot up. There are no official figures for rent levels, but most commentators agree that a family sized unit which would have been rented for €500 to €600 per month in 1997 would now cost between €1,200 and €1,500 per month.

The Minister, Deputy Cullen, seems to favour the shift from home ownership to renting, and in a recent radio debate with me he drew attention to the norm on the continental mainland where people rent rather than buy their homes. He omitted to state that in other European countries tenants enjoy legal rights and security of tenure which do not apply here. In Ireland there are no controls on rent increases and no security of tenure for the vast majority of tenants.

In 1999, the then Minister of State, Bobby Molloy, established the Commission on the Private Rented Sector. It reported in July 2000 and recommended a number of modest reforms, some of which were tax-friendly for landlords and some of which required legislation to protect the rights of tenants. The Government has already implemented the recommendations which benefit landlords, but two and a half years after the publication of the report, it has still not published the Bill to give tenants some minimum legal rights. Meanwhile, thousands of tenants have been evicted over the past five years and many are still subjected to arbitrary and unfair treatment and to poor housing conditions. Threshold states that in the first nine months of this year alone, it dealt with 2,720 queries about conditions in private rented dwellings, including 83 queries concerning infestation of rats and 242 queries concerning non-compliance with legal minimum physical standards.

Evictions from private rented accommodation have contributed to the growth in homelessness, which Focus Ireland now estimates to be about 6,000. Mary Higgins, director of the Homeless Agency, writing in Cornerstone this month, points out the number of families and couples who are homeless in the Eastern Regional Health Authority area has increased from 1,290 in 1999 to 1,470 this year, an increase of 14%. These households account for a staggering 1,200 children who will be homeless this Christmas and staying in temporary and emergency accommodation in bed and breakfasts and shelters around the city. These are the forgotten children of a newly affluent society, which is now ruled by an uncaring Government. The growth in homelessness and the length of time which families have to spend in bed and breakfasts and temporary accommodation is directly related to the Government's failure to deliver on its social housing commitments.

In June 1997, when the Fianna Fáil and Progressive Democrats Government was elected, there were 26,000 applicants seeking local authority housing. The assessment of housing needs, published in March 2002, shows this number has now increased to more than 48,000. Indeed, if those who are seeking shared ownership, larger accommodation and traveller accommodation are added, the real estimate of housing need is closer to 60,000.

In the PPF agreement, about which we hear much these days, the Government undertook to deliver an additional 25,000 local authority houses between 2002 and 2003. At best, only 15,000 of those houses will have been delivered by the end of the programme. Some 2,204 were built in 2000 and 3,622 in 2001. It is estimated 5,000 will be built in 2002 and 4,000 in 2003. The performance is even worse when compared with the targets set in the NDP. This anticipated the production of approximately 350,000 housing units between 2000 and 2006, a target which will probably be achieved, but of which just 50,000 were to be social housing units. However, more than half way into the seven-year life of the NDP, only 15,000 of the 50,000 social houses promised will have been delivered.

The human consequences of this failure by Government visit all of us at our constituency clinics every week where we meet young families on low incomes living in overcrowded, stressful and unhealthy conditions, either with an extended family or in unsuitable and over-priced private rented accommodation. Every week, these people are suffering for the failure of Government housing policy.

Given the overall scale of the housing crisis, one would have expected a newly re-elected Government, which cared at all about the needs of the people, to come back with some fresh thinking or some new policies to tackle this seemingly intractable problem. Instead, the re-elected Fianna Fáil-Progressive Democrats Government has made it worse. In July it instructed local authorities to discontinue turnkey developments. These were arrangements which were being made by some councils with private developers for the purchase of schemes of houses for social housing purposes. It was estimated that approximately 1,000 of this years 5,000 output would be met by turnkey houses.

At the same time the Government introduced a new requirement for the approval of tenders, after they had been accepted by local authorities, the effect of which is to discourage builders from tendering for local authority housing contracts. These, of course, in the language of the Taoiseach were not cuts at all, but merely adjustments. However, in the Book of Estimates which was published in November there could be no disguising the cut. The Exchequer provision for social housing will be 5% less in 2003 than in 2002, and when construction inflation is taken into account, the real cut is about 15%. The Minister, Deputy Cullen, and the Minister of State, Deputy Noel Ahern, have attempted to argue this is not a cut at all, that councils can use their own resources, tenders will be lower, or something will somehow turn up. However, the give-away is contained in reply to a parliamentary question on 28 November in which the Minister of State, Deputy Noel Ahern, stated "I expect that local authorities will complete or acquire some 5,500 houses in 2002 and approximately 4,000 in 2003". If the projected number of houses for next year is 1,500 less than this year, then what is that if it is not a cut? These cuts were followed by the abolition of the first-time buyer's grant, which will immediately make it €3,810 more expensive to buy and will tilt the balance in the market even more in favour of investors who were already given a leg up in the December 2001 budget which changed their stamp duty and interest reliefs.

The Government's attempt in the budget to soften the blow by increasing mortgage interest relief, worth about €350, was cynical because the increase in VAT on new homes has taken away six times more from the first-time buyers than they will get back in interest relief. The combined effect of the abolition of the first-time buyer's grant and the increased VAT is to add almost €6,000 to the price of a new house. Up to now, the Government could plead a defence of helplessness, or even unwillingness to intervene in the housing market to calm house prices, but that is no longer true. This is the first time that Government action has directly increased the price of houses for first-time buyers.

The Dáil has the power to annul the regulation abolishing the first-time buyer's grant. On behalf of the Labour Party and on behalf of all the first-time buyers who will be affected by the abolition of the grant, I am calling on every Deputy in this House, including those on the Fianna Fáil and Progressive Democrats benches who have criticised the abolition of the grant, to vote for its retention when the vote on this motion is taken tomorrow.

I also call on members of the House to vote to annul the new regulations on rent allowances. The new regulations represent the most savage and cynical cut inflicted on poor people by this Government. The regulations increase the minimum personal contribution for rent by €4.38, from €7.62 to €12, which immediately reduces the nominal budget social welfare increase of €6 to a net €1.62 for people on supplementary welfare and on basic social welfare payments. It caps the maximum rent allowance which may be paid by a health board, thus exposing poor tenants to the full financial force of the new rent increases. It actually prevents rent allowance being paid at all to a tenant where the rent exceeds the maximum allowance payable, a point to which I drew the attention of the Minister for Social and Family Affairs during the debate on the Social Welfare Bill. These regulations will result in increased evictions and homelessness, and will deepen poverty for those who are already poor. They should be rejected by the House.

Over the past five years, as the housing crisis has worsened, the Labour Party has proposed a range of possible solutions including the assembling of public land banks and the windfall taxing of rezoning profits to curb speculation and profiteering in building land; the establishment of a national housing authority to drive the provision of affordable housing; the introduction of legislation to give tenants basic rights; the introduction of consumer protection legislation; the appointment of a housing market regulator to protect those buying their homes; the widening of social housing provision; the introduction of a new housing benefit; and the implementation of the integrated strategy on homelessness.

This re-elected Fianna Fáil – Progressive Democrats Government seems even less willing to take Labour's proposals on board. Does it now have a housing policy at all? Let us hear again from the Minister with responsibility for housing, Deputy Noel Ahern. Pressed during Question Time in the Dáil on 28 November, he offered the following solution to the housing crisis:

I accept that there are pressures and, because of these, the Department and successive Governments have tried to help people who are caught in the limbo to which I refer by introducing measures such as the affordable housing scheme. On that day, the way of the future was to be the affordable housing scheme. Five days later, in a most disgraceful surrender to the construction lobby, the Government effectively abolished the affordable housing scheme. It is now rushing legislation through the House, which will give back 16,000 social housing sites to private builders. So much for the Minister's solution to the housing crisis. If this Government has a policy on housing, it is one which favours the investor over the first-time buyer, the landlord over the tenant and the land speculator over the family in need of housing.

When the legislation, which it is intended to revoke tomorrow, was first introduced by the previous Minister for the Environment and Local Government, Deputy Dempsey, Cork City Council and Cork County Council, of which the Acting Chairman is a member, organised a seminar in a city hotel. It was extremely well attended and included participants from all the agencies concerned, including both councils. The Construction Industry Federation was also strongly represented. To facilitate participation by all, those attending were placed at tables of ten, at which a member of each of the various organisations was seated.

The conference started with a filibuster by the CIF. Its members stood up at each table in turn and asked the same question, namely, whether the builders, instead of building the social and affordable houses, would not be allowed to give the local authorities the land or an equivalent sum of money. The man all the newspapers have quoted welcoming this legislation led the charge that day.

It was obvious what was happening and what the CIF's problem was. Its members wanted to take on the burden of selling houses if it was possible the next door neighbour could have been on a local authority housing list. However, when it was pointed out to them that if the land was surrendered to local authorities, as the CIF was suggesting, the local authorities would be entitled to build a halting site on it, they very quickly backed down.

This was just their first stab at the provision. The second came about in a much more devious way. Although I and others who favour the legislation were not approached, I am certain the CIF lobbied councillors in the same way it lobbied Deputies to ensure the proposal before us was introduced. At council level, the 20% we were told we could divide up between social housing and affordable housing as we liked was suddenly allocated and became 15% affordable housing and 5% social housing. We fought this decision in vain. Therefore, we were left with provision for just 5% social housing, as opposed to 20%.

As Deputy Allen will recall, we got our affordable housing scheme of some 40 houses, for which we received 600 applications from young couples who could not raise the money that is now needed to put a roof over one's head. According to all the Ministers concerned, this group of 600 couples will not miss the €3,800 and can well afford to house themselves. The effect of the abolition of the first-time buyer's grant for the 40 people whose names were selected by lottery is that the €3,800, which was meant to be used as part of the deposit for the houses, will no longer be available and they will have to be reassessed to ascertain if they can find the money the Government took from them.

That is not the case.

It is true.

It is a disgraceful move, which has ensured that what has always been considered a necessity, a roof over one's head, has become a luxury which few can afford. When I asked one young woman who was seeking a shared ownership mortgage what it would mean to lose the €3,800, she replied she would have to work for a further two years to save this sum. From time to time people lose touch with the realities of life for those who work for An Post or in factories or for the Government in civil service jobs at the lower end of the scale. This is disgraceful.

Every day, social commentators tell us that young people do not know what to do with their money and are constantly spending. They spend because there is nothing to save for. Their money is worthless. They cannot do as the Minister and I did, namely, save for a home which would allow them to enter a relationship, start a family and live a life independent of their families because the Government has ensured that having a home is a luxury only the wealthy can afford. Its actions in this respect have been disgraceful.

As housing is the number one issue in my constituency, I will address some issues of particular importance to my constituents. Many of my constituents live in flats and are waiting for corporation houses. Some have been on a transfer list for 12 years which is hard to believe, but true. They are demoralised and feel they have been completely ignored by the system. They cannot get a transfer to other local authority accommo dation and will never be able to own their homes. Why are flat tenants the only local authority tenants who cannot buy their homes?

Home ownership is a key way of allowing estates to become stable. Allowing tenants to buy has stabilised corporation built suburbs on the north and south sides of Dublin city. Permitting flat tenants to do the same would help community development in these complexes. A flat tenant purchase scheme would give existing tenants a sense of ownership, as well as help them on to the first step of the property ladder.

Private apartments are run by management companies or groups of residents and there is no reason similar arrangements could not be introduced for corporation complexes. Social housing provided by co-operatives should also be available to buy for tenants, as happens now with local authority houses.

I introduced that in the Bill.

I welcome that. Dublin South-Central has a large number of corporation flat complexes which were neglected for many years and abandoned to drugs. Refurbishment work has been done on some blocks of flats, while others have been demolished. However, tenants need to know that there is no risk the builders will down tools and abandon them once again. I hope the residents of these areas, such as the St. Michael's Estate in Fatima Mansions, can look forward with confidence to quality refurbishment programmes.

Besides the residents of such estates, I meet people every week in different circumstances, who need secure and comfortable accommodation. I meet men in their 40s and 50s who have left the family home because there is no place for them, people with long-term mental health problems and their suffering families for whom there is no place, and young people living in overpriced and poor quality rented accommodation who have very little chance of getting on to the housing ladder.

The capping of the rent allowance, the removal of the first-time buyer's grant and the increase in VAT has militated further against these first – time buyers. These retrograde steps have caused untold hardship to many young people, in particular. The Minister for Finance, Deputy McCreevy, and the Minister for the Environment and Local Government, Deputy Cullen, must be living on a different planet if they are not aware of this trauma. Housing is in a mess not because of lack of capacity but because the interests of the developer and the speculator are placed before those of the disadvantaged and the modest income earner.

The Minister should ask the clerical officers in his office and Department how they make ends meet. These conversations might form the basis of some of his housing policy. Many commute for hours every week, others live in expensive rented accommodation, often of poor quality, while many others live at home.

I welcome the opportunity to again say a few words about housing. When I last spoke about housing in the House, I said the housing crisis had torn the heart out of the economy. I do not see how anyone could contradict that. Deputy Gilmore mentioned the rise in prices. The price of a house has doubled and it does not take rocket science to calculate the rise in wages and building materials and subtract it from the rise in house prices. The remainder is entirely a reward for speculation.

We have just dealt with the budget and the Estimates and it is extraordinary and a particular hallmark of this Government and the Minister for Finance, the Progressive Democrats captive, that we will never see a proposal for a windfall tax. We will never see a proposal which discommodes speculators. In fact, the Minister frequently embarrassed himself as he moved between his five budgets fiddling around with capital gains tax saying that if speculators did not yield the land they were hoarding, he would come after them with a change to capital gains tax. This, however, did not happen. This continual bending of the knee to speculative activity in housing is obscene. Most people of the left and centre in politics and of different generations looking at what is happening in housing are disgusted.

I refer to the capping of the rent allowance. Let us think about what will happen to the type of people who come into the advice centre in my city. A huge obstruction is already placed in the way of single mothers, for example, seeking rented accommodation. If one looks at the columns of The Connacht Tribune or the Galway Advertiser, one will frequently see the words “suitable for professional couple” in brackets. These people already face a huge problem finding any accommodation and now if the rent for a flat or an apartment, if one is in a different social class, goes over a certain figure, they lose the rent allowance altogether. This is being sold as an attempt to reduce inflation in the rental sector but once again, it is the most vulnerable sector pushing a pram which has to carry the cost of this new thinking. There is no attempt to ensure the burden is carried by those who are well able to carry it.

Deputy Grealish and others went to meetings on housing with me at which they affected a certain kind of concern. They were going to lead a revolution on the first time buyer's grant but that quickly evaporated. What I find quite extraordinary is how they can pretend not to understand what is happening in housing. When I started in politics there were people in Galway who owned two or three houses but then five or ten years ago, they owned five or six. There are people now who own 20 houses. During the passage of previous legislation I challenged the Government to initiate a property survey but that will never happen. As I pointed out on that occasion, when we had a wealth tax, it was consistently opposed not because of its inadequate yield or operation but because of what it would reveal.

There are two simple issues at the heart of the Labour Party proposal this evening – to annul the order to end the first time buyer's grant and, much more importantly, to end this extraordinary and vicious discrimination against the most vulnerable people in the rented sector.

These tenants, who see these advertisements structured in a way which excludes them, are to lose their rent allowance if their rent goes over a certain figure. Up to November they could have supplemented the grant, which is €115 in the Western Health Board area, but they can no longer do that. There was no rush, for example, to provide them with any rights as tenants but at the same time, the Construction Industry Federation strike had to be resolved quickly because most of the members in that organisation know exactly the parties to which they can go and the answer they will get. People looking on at what is happening in housing are looking at a litany of shafts directed against the poorest in terms of housing provision.

To take one's total earning life and the proportion of total income one will pay for the right to have a house, one must not only add on the increase between years, as the market is allowed to have speculators at its heart, but must look at how much of one's life is stolen by a mixture of speculators in the provision and unqualified usury to the end of one's life.

If one looks at the efforts people are trying to make within the differing categories of housing, it has an immense social effect. People no longer have the choice to decide whether one partner or both will take part in what is the remunerative economy. I do not want to have the argument again about the garda and the nurse as it seems to upset the Minister of State at the Department of the Environment and Local Government, Deputy Noel Ahern, who finds them buying houses against the odds, but leaving that aside, both have little capacity to purchase a house. People are leaving their homes at the crack of dawn and are driving long distances to work. Their children have to be looked after in a country which has an under developed State child care system and they are missing from their communities. They are worn out and do not have time for voluntary activity. What is happening is a nightmare.

I would like a genuine defence from the Government on what it is doing. It says the market will solve all of this and that all interventions will be on the supply side. It has changed its mind with the first, the second and the third Bacon reports. There can be Bacon 17 as far as I am concerned, but when it comes to legislation, it took the Government more than three years to prepare legislation which will protect tenants but it could provide legislation which answers a section within the CIF within a few weeks. I find that quite extraordinary. The Government seems to be quite oblivious to what is happening in every town and city in relation to housing. There used to be talk about all the emigrants coming back – after all de Valera exported 55,000 of them in 1955. Emigrants spoke about coming home to spend the end of their lives here but no one can consider moving back to Ireland in a highly speculative market. We have allowed a privileged group of rapacious people with no social conscience to viciously exploit the right to housing and shelter in the name of the market.

I wish I had more time to speak. We need more time to know that what begins at the top runs right through all aspects of housing. The Taoiseach, who is back from Copenhagen, said we are becoming one of the richest countries in Europe and that we might even be the second richest – so much richer than the countries joining – yet at the same time, the number of people sleeping on the streets has practically doubled. The Government should be ashamed of itself on this issue.

I move amendment No. 1:

To delete all words after "Dáil Éireann," and substitute the following:

"acknowledges the achievements of the Government in:

focusing on increasing housing supply as the key response to the broad range of housing needs and demand;

supporting record levels of housing output since 1997 with the prospect of a further record level of housing output being achieved in 2002;

moderating the rate of house price increases;

increasing the share of the housing market going to first-time purchasers;

expanding the local authority housing programme to the highest level of output for 15 years;

increasing voluntary housing output to the highest levels ever achieved in this country;

reviewing and amending the social and affordable housing provisions of the Planning and Development Act, 2000, in order to ensure that the original objectives for which these provisions were enacted are met;

introducing and resourcing an integrated strategy on homelessness; and

supports the continued action and commitment by the Government to focus housing expenditure on responding to the needs of low income households and those with special needs through a broad range of targeted initiatives."

I wish to share time with the Minister of State at the Department of the Environment and Local Government, Deputy Gallagher.

Is that agreed? Agreed.

I welcome the motion and I absolutely agree with Deputy Gilmore's assertion that house price increases in recent years have been totally and utterly unacceptable. However, there was a simple reason for this, namely there was no supply in the marketplace. There is no point in blaming the rainbow coalition for the lack of supply because that will not deliver houses to those who are in need.

Nor will anybody listen to the Minister.

The number of local authority houses built in 1997 was one third of the number being built today.

There was only half the current number on waiting lists.

We have doubled voluntary housing output and the number of houses acquired by local authorities. I do not blame the rainbow Government.

The Minister should catch himself on as he is six years late.

Why is the Minister talking about 1997?

I did not interrupt anybody. Since 1997 there has been a substantial change in the market. Interest rates, which were historically high, have crashed through the floor and Ireland has moved from mass emigration to net immigration. Our economic well-being has been transformed with unemployment reducing from 17% to 4.5%. Consequently, there was a significant upsurge in the market.

Everybody accepts a button could not be pressed to deliver housing overnight but housing stock has been increased to a level that almost meets demand. I agree with Deputy Higgins's comments on the private rented sector, although Deputy Gilmore is intent on misquoting me. Only 12% of total housing is available for rent, which is too low, and that was driving up rental costs. Deputy Higgins pointed out rental costs were going through the roof on the basis that there was not enough houses available. However, anyone who listened to the programme the other morning would have heard that rents were reducing—

At the top end of the market.

Yes, but they are reducing. My son is trying to rent a place in Dublin and I do not consider him or his friends to be in a different position to others trying to rent or buy property. However, property prices have steadied because all our problems relate to one issue, supply, which is being addressed. That has been the core, impossibly difficult, issue to deal with, as it is in every market.

I accept the points raised regarding the housing waiting lists but 61% of those on the lists are single. That is not satisfactory but the profile of those on the lists has changed dramatically. Half of them are single men—

Why is the Minister saying that?

Because that 61% was not on housing lists five years ago. These issues must be addressed in different ways. We have dealt with most of the problems with more than 12,000 units built annually over the past few years, which is a much better performance than in many other European countries.

I am pleased to open the Government's response to the motion. We are not facing the worst housing crisis since the foundation of the State. When the Labour Party was in Government in the mid-1980s housing output fell year after year until fewer than 20,000 houses were being built per year. There was not only a housing crisis when the Labour Party was in Government, there was also a full blown economic crisis and mass emigration.

That was caused by the 1977 budget.

I am happy to engage in a substantive debate but the bottom line is I want to create housing stock, particularly for those in the social and affordable sector. I have no other interest. I probably understand the market as well as anybody else as I was an auctioneer in the 1970s and 1980s. I am not an expert but I have a handle on it and I have dealt with those who have had tremendous difficulty getting into the market. That is my underpinning motivation in all this.

Our rapid economic and population growth has meant that even with housing output at record levels never seen in this country and unique in European terms in regard to population, we still are stretched to meet ever growing demand for housing. The Government will never shy away from its responsibilities in regard to housing. We have a proud record of achievement in delivering housing across the broad spectrum of housing needs.

Since 1997, our efforts have generated a substantial increase in output, with a consequent moderation in the increase in house prices. A total of 52,602 new houses were completed in 2001, another record year, while 2002 is shaping up the same way with last year's figure likely to be surpassed. The overall objective of the Government is to maintain these record levels of output to satisfy projected housing demand. I emphasise in excess of 50,000 houses need to be built each year for the next ten years and I intend to ensure we deliver them.

We have a proud tradition of home ownership in Ireland and I feel strongly about maintaining and promoting this tradition. I recognise we must improve affordability in line with increasing supply and our policy is focused on this. We must get as many people as possible onto the first rung of the housing ladder. A feature of Government's efforts in recent years has been the diversification of instruments and increased support for new forms of housing provision such as voluntary and affordable housing.

One such measure is the housing supply provisions, commonly referred to as Part V, of the Planning and Development Act, 2000. Part V is based on the principle that there should be some benefit to the community arising from a decision of a local authority to zone land for residential development, thereby increasing the value of that land. Part V, therefore, provides that in certain circumstances up to 20% of residential zoned land should as a condition for the granting of planning permission be made available to the local authority at existing land use value.

I listened with great interest to Deputy Lynch's comments on Cork City Council's approach. Local authorities adopt different approaches and it is up to each one to decide the way it wants to go. Some local authorities have opted for 8% social housing and 7% affordable housing rather than 20% social and affordable housing while others have opted for 15% social housing and 5% affordable housing, as the Deputy stated. However, that is local democracy and it should be up to each local authority to choose for itself and maximise its needs. That is not a decision for myself or the Government.

It is democracy influenced by sectional interests.

I have created the basis for local democracy to work. Some local authorities are doing well in this area and that is reflected in the legislation.

These Government measures were welcomed by all sides of the House when the Planning and Development Bill, 2000 was passed with all-party support. Following from the adoption of housing strategies and the variation of development plans to incorporate the strategies, local authorities and builders set about implementing the new regime. Like all new arrangements, it has taken time to bed down and various practical problems were identified, most notably that planning permissions for 80,000 housing units could be wiped out starting at the end of this month.

The Government was aware of the difficulties and decided that something must be done both to ensure continued housing supply at high levels and the smooth operation of the new procedures. We, therefore, as promised in the Agreed Programme for Government, initiated an urgent review of Part V to ensure it was meeting its objectives on social and affordable housing. We had received many complaints that the system was inflexible and overly bureaucratic, not only from developers but also from local authorities, all of whom contacted me in this regard because it appeared to be slowing down supply, which was the opposite of what was intended.

The review was not carried out too early. The Government decided it was imperative that the review should be carried out at this stage so that any necessary changes to improve the system could be made now to ensure continued supply of good affordable housing. To do nothing and wait to see how the figures panned out over the next year, hoping that the number of units delivered would increase, was never an option and would have been seen as a failure by the Government to deal with a real and serious issue. I have no doubt if I had done so the same Members who have contributed to the debate would have been questioning me in six months regarding how I allowed a disaster to occur in the housing market in terms of supply.

The review, which was conducted with all key stakeholders, reached important conclusions on which there was a general consensus. There were two key points. First, the provisions of Part V in making housing strategies, and the requirement to zone sufficient land for residential development in particular, were widely regarded as positive. However, stake holders also argued for increased flexibility and less bureaucracy in the operation of the provisions of Part V. Naturally, the impact of the provision regarding the withering of planning permissions was a major concern for all stake holders. The changes in the Planning and Development (Amendment) Bill, 2002, are specifically designed to meet the concerns about bureaucracy and flexibility and the withering provision expressed in the review and thereby boost housing supply.

The 2000 Act provided that permissions for residential development granted after 25 August 1999 but before a housing strategy was included in the relevant development plan, and to which Part V of the Act would have applied had the housing strategy been incorporated, would last until 31 December 2002 or for two years from the date of the grant of planning permission, whichever was longer. Planning permission would expire for those houses within the development for which the external walls had not been built by the relevant date. Accordingly, planning permissions for about 44,000 houses was due to wither on 31 December 2002 and permissions for 36,000 more would wither in 2003. The loss of planning approval for about 80,000 houses would have a serious negative impact on housing supply in 2003.

There seems to be a total misunderstanding here. I cannot accept the suggestion that our approach in the amending Bill will somehow cost local authorities €1 billion to build the houses which would have been delivered through the Part V mechanism. There is no basis for this assertion. First, if they were permitted to wither, and we waited for developers to re-apply, we would have an immediate supply problem. More important, the Labour Party seems to think the houses were to be provided free to local authorities under Part V and this is not the case. In fact full market value would have had to be paid for these houses—

The land.

—for the land. The land was generally acquired before the 2000 Bill was introduced.

It is the development value of the land.

The problem is this: the difference between existing land use value and market value is almost nil because of what happened with all the zoning that has gone on around the country. There is no gap between them. Those sites would only come in at market value, not at existing land use value because the existing land use value on those – because it was before the Act – is equated to the current market value. Local authorities would have been paying premium prices. I want to nail on the head the assertion that 16,000 sites were given back. The local authorities would have had to buy those at full market value.

They would have gone into social housing.

The suggestion coming from the Opposition is that these were somehow to be handed over but I went further than what the Labour Party would have done. The practical solution which I have brought forward ensures that supply continues and imposes a levy on each house in respect of which the normal limit of duration is being restored.

It is tiny.

It is not. The levy will be 0.5% of the sale price of a house costing up to €270,000—

It is €1,300.

—and is on all houses. It is not a matter of 20% but applies to all houses on those sites. That is a big difference.

The house buyers will pay for it.

It will be 1% in the sale price of houses costing in excess of €270,000. This will generate significant income for local authorities to fund social and affordable housing. The reality, and I have picked the lowest possible figure, is that €80 million will come into the funds of local authorities – directly into the housing budget. It will probably be double the amount I have given, as I am working from a figure of €1,000 per house and 80,000 units. It could even be more.

If the Labour Party came up with that idea it would be singing from the rooftops, as it was the fastest and most efficient mechanism and delivers directly on social and affordable housing. That is the reality. The Opposition might not like the fact that I came up with that idea or that we are getting more than €100 million more into the local authorities for social and affordable housing but the reality from my perspective is very simple.

Will the Minister yield?

Not at the moment.

Will the Minister agree to a proper Committee Stage debate on the Bill so we can tease out these issues? There is no point in the Minister making a Second Stage speech. We should have a proper debate.

I am well aware of the point the Deputy is making and I have tried to tease out this issue in every forum that has been offered to me.

The Minister is ducking a Committee Stage debate.

The Deputy will know that I am not one to rush or guillotine legislation. I do not like doing it.

The Minister is doing just that.

The Deputy should listen. The problem I faced is that legally on 31 December the withering provisions come in and I lose 40,000 sites immediately and another 36,000—

There are other options open.

I am not in the business of playing with people's lives. I am in one business as a member of Government – delivering social and affordable housing in real terms throughout the country to the benefit of those the Labour Party and others rightly want to represent. The Deputy should not misrepresent me and say that I, my party or the Government does not want to do the same thing. I am faced with choices and I will make a decision. I do not live in a perfect world but neither does anyone else. The reality is that one makes a judgment call and one makes sure one gets delivery. The reality at present is that I would lose delivery due to the withering and we knew Part V was delivering very little. I was informed by all the local authorities about Part V and the sort of flexibility that is in it. I looked at the UK, which was mentioned by other speakers, to see how it was delivering far higher volumes in social and affordable housing.

They did not run like the Deputy.

They did not do anything like this. I am not going as far as them in terms of flexibility but they are delivering real houses for real people who are in need.

They did not drop it.

That is my message regarding this Bill: I will deliver real houses for real people on behalf of the Government. I will not spend my time dealing with ideological or philosophical discussions.

The Government is committed to making Part V work and I reject totally the Labour party assertion that the proposed changes outlined in the amending Bill are an abandonment of the social and affordable provisions of the 2000 Act – quite the opposite in fact. My aim is to remove obstacles and to make Part V work to ensure a continued good supply of housing, which is the only way to improve affordability. The changes proposed are designed to make the system operate more efficiently and effectively, to eliminate the rigidities that were slowing down supply, to bring more social and affordable housing on stream more quickly, while continuing to promote social integration.

I am determined that this new flexibility in Part V will not lead to builders providing new estates at the edges of communities with no social links and no infrastructure. I will set firm guidelines for local authorities as to the types of alternative arrangements that will be acceptable in terms of social integration.

The new provision will not lessen the obligation on developers.

That is what it does.

Any agreement under the amending Bill must result in a contribution of an equivalent monetary value to the reservation of land within the development. Again, this payment will be used for the provision of social and affordable housing.

The Government's job is to govern. That means taking action where action is necessary: actions like the ones taken to balance supply and demand for housing and actions which have given us stability in house prices. However, as we took those actions, we knew that we must also lay the foundations for a fairer housing system. In Part V of the Planning and Development Act, 2000, radical measures were taken to meet the housing needs of people on low and middle incomes. These measures have been consolidated by those contained in the amending Bill to ensure that Part V can deliver for a greater number of those in need of housing than heretofore. Part V alone will make an enormous difference to first time house buyers and those who need social housing. It secures for us a bright future of mixed housing, stability and civilised living and provides access to housing for those who need it.

The Government's commitment in the housing area is paying off. Output is up and price increases have moderated. Social housing is being delivered at the highest levels in a generation. The amending motion briefly sets out Government achievements in relation to housing and I call on the continued support of the House for our actions, particularly those focusing on responding to the needs of low income households and those with special needs.

For these reasons and others to which my colleagues will refer, I am happy to commend the Government's amendment to the House.

In launching the 2003 Estimates, the Government acknowledged that difficult decisions had to be made in terms of spending priorities. We have learned from the inaction of those here opposite in the mid-1980s that to do anything less would be irresponsible at a time when the world-wide economic slowdown in growth is impacting adversely on Ireland and our public expenditure is running ahead of tax yields.

The Government nonetheless remains determined to respond effectively to the broad range of housing needs, particularly the needs of lower income groups. We have also continued in this term of office with the measures which we initiated in our previous term to increase the supply of housing and bring moderation to the rate of house price increases, including increasing investment in the provision of serviced land for housing and more effective use of that land through improved planning guidelines on residential densities.

Contrary to what the Labour Party would have us believe it is clear that these policies have been effective in dealing with the impact of the unprecedented demand for housing in recent years. In 2001 a record number of houses were built, with 52,602 units of which 47,727 were built by the private sector. At 13 houses per 1,000 of population this was the highest rate of house construction in the European Union in proportion to population and about four times the rate in the UK. When the new house grants scheme was introduced in its present form in 1977 to encourage new house building, about 17,000 new private houses were being built. I am pleased to say that housing output continues to increase in 2002 with particularly marked increases in Dublin and the greater Dublin area. Would the Labour Party have us reverse the policies which have caused us to achieve such remarkable output figures?

This increase in supply of houses together with other Government interventions has brought greater stability to the housing market and moderation in the rate of average house price increases which at their peak in 1998 were increasing at 40% per annum.

In addition to specific housing measures, the general improvement in employment and increases in disposable income resulting from economic growth, lower interest rates and tax reductions, assisted many individuals in purchasing their own homes.

This Government has a strong commitment to respond to those in need of social housing and those with special needs. We have to target our resources wisely to meet this demand. In recent years a range of better targeted schemes to assist low income purchasers and those with social housing needs have been put in place. Between 1991 and 2001, the provision of social and affordable housing has grown by 35% to 11,385 units and a further increase to almost 13,000 units is forecast in 2002.

I anticipate that local authority housing output this year will be the highest for over 15 years at 5,500 units and the output of the voluntary and co-operative housing sector is likely to reach an all-time record level at 1,500 units.

Activity is also increasing significantly under the affordable housing and shared ownership schemes. In the first nine months of 2002, 598 homes were completed under the affordable housing scheme and a further 2,116 units were in progress at the end of last September. Local authorities assisted 1,276 households with shared ownership homes in the first nine months of 2002. The prospects are good for substantial growth in activity in 2003. It is clear that apart from these schemes the house building industry is also responding to the need for more affordable housing with an increased supply of more affordable homes coming on stream, particularly in the greater Dublin area during this year.

There are also increasing examples of the public and private sectors working together in innovative ways to address the needs of lower income groups. In 2000, Fingal County Council invited proposals for the design and construction, by way of a public private partnership, of integrated housing using innovative building systems on a 44 acre site owned by the council close to Mulhuddart village. The development will consist of 726 residential units comprising 431 affordable units, 105 social units and 190 private units. The scheme also includes a community centre and child care facility. Phase one of the scheme which consists of affordable units only was launched by Fingal County Council in early May 2002. Dublin City Council has entered into an arrangement in relation to a site in Cherry Orchard which consists of 374 residential units and also includes a child care facility. Dublin City Council will buy 30% of the units at cost price for applicants qualifying for affordable housing.

These are just an example of innovative responses being developed to respond in the broadest way to housing needs and focusing on the needs of low income groups and those in need of social housing. The Department will continue to encourage and support local authorities in developing these responses to housing needs in their areas. This will result in good living environments and sustainable communities.

The need to do so also informed our review of the Part V provisions which the Minister, Deputy Cullen, has already elaborated upon in the House tonight. Our objective is to ensure that the provisions of Part V meet the original objective with particular reference to social and affordable housing. The new provisions contained in the Planning and Development (Amendment) Bill, 2002 will ensure that increasing numbers of social and affordable housing units will be achieved in the future.

We must consolidate the substantial progress made in increasing housing output and responding to those most in need. In 2003, total capital funding for housing, both Exchequer and non-Exchequer, will be up 7% to €1.7 billion on the amount provided in 2002. This is almost double the spending in 2000. Our priority is to respond to those most in need. The provisions available for social rented accommodation are likely to allow for some increased starts under the local authority programme and for the voluntary and co-operative sector to continue its increased contribution to social housing as envisaged under the NDP. The provisions also allow for the continued increase in activity under the affordable housing and shared ownership schemes.

While I appreciate that difficult decisions have to be taken which may cause disappointment for some, our focus must now be on the more targeted schemes and particularly the housing needs of the lower income groups. I seek the support of the House in our efforts to provide for the housing needs of those groups.

The Minister of State did not defend the first-time buyers.

I wish to share my time with Deputies Connaughton and McCormack.

Is that agreed? Agreed.

The Minister used 1997 as a base line and I wish to remind him that since 1997 the numbers on local authority waiting lists have doubled, the price of new houses has increased by 79% and the rents in the private sector have effectively doubled. I do not think the Minister has too much to crow about.

Despite all the comments, the record shows that the Government promised to control the rise in house prices and it failed. The Government promised to increase the first-time buyer's grant to €6,350 for couples but they wiped it out instead. They promised to accelerate dramatically the supply of new houses but they failed. They promised an expansion of the social housing programmes but there is very little evidence of it. They promised to implement a full package of reforms in the rented accommodation sector arising from the report of the Commission on the Private Rented Sector but they have failed to do so. They promised to ensure a comprehensive strategy for the homeless. The strategy has been published but it has not been implemented in any way. We have only to walk around the cities and towns to see how things are. They promised to ensure the implementation of local authority Traveller accommodation plans but there is very little evidence of that. They promised to streamline the approval procedures for the local authority house building projects.

In my 23 years in politics I have never seen so much damage inflicted on people aspiring to purchase their own home as I have seen in recent weeks. I have been involved in many campaigns but I have never seen a response like that which I got in recent weeks from people in the streets of my own city, and never heard the like of the disgust and anger of people to the abolition of the first-time buyer's grant.

We in Fine Gael initiated a petition, "Give It Back", and we got almost 70,000 names from people demanding that this Government restores the first-time buyer's grant. The petition asked the Government if it could not see its way to restoring the grant to double mortgage interest relief to first-time buyers for the first five years of the loan. The value to the buyer would be €12,700 over five years.

I thought this was a caring and listening Government. Instead of listening to the people and to those who signed the petition Fine Gael organised, the Government went the other way and in the budget of 6 December last increased the VAT on houses by a further 1%. This meant that over €6,000 was added to the price of a €200,000 house. The housing market has almost become the full preserve of private investors and the prospects of young people getting their own home are diminishing by the day.

We demanded and got the support of 70,000 Irish people for the proposal that mortgage interest relief be doubled for first-time buyers. I am demanding tonight, in support of the Labour Party motion, that young people be given the opportunity to buy their own homes.

Earlier the Minister denied an assertion by Deputy Lynch that the abolition of the first-time buyer's grant and the 1% VAT increase is impacting on the affordable housing scheme. That is happening in Cork where 700 people applied for 42 houses. I have further evidence here. For example, Deputy Paul McGrath stated that he has confirmation from the Minister's Department that none of the 61 families who are to be sold houses under the affordable housing scheme in Mullingar will receive the first-time buyer's grant and they will also be slapped with the VAT increase of 1%. The houses concerned cost €120,000 and €114,000 respectively so the increased cost will be substantial. They will have to pay an extra €1,200 in VAT and they will lose out on the first-time buyer's grant of €3,800. The total loss to those people will be €5,000. These people are on the borderline. If they fail to get a house under the affordable housing scheme, they will go onto the local authority lists on which there are 100,000 names. That list has doubled since 1997.

I congratulate the Labour Party on tabling this motion. There is one certainty about this debate, no Government in the 25 years that I am a Member, and I am in the House longer than Deputy Allen, handled a crisis in housing so badly.

When I heard the Minister, Deputy Cullen, speak earlier and I am sorry he is not present now to hear this, he was all perked up about the initiative he was introducing. I have no way of knowing whether what he is doing will solve the problem and I am not too sure anybody else knows either, but I was in this position two or three years ago and heard his colleague and predecessor Minister, Deputy Dempsey, speak with equal eloquence on that occasion. Listening to him, you would have thought that he was able to solve the housing crisis there and then. He quoted Bacon at length and Part V was the answer. There was no doubt about it. The Government went down that road and, as it turned out, it was a cul de sac. It was a disaster.

How can we or young people have any confidence in the Minister? The only ambition that teeming thousands of young couples have is to own a house, whether privately, under the affordable housing scheme or in some other way. How can we take the Minister, Deputy Cullen, at his word, given that the same two parties in Government in the past couple of years had to reverse the engine so dramatically? Who is to say whether in two years' time some other Minister will be there?

It is all right for a Minister to make a mistake but the consequences affect many thousands of young people. That is the real difficulty. The Government is stumbling from one solution to another while the problem is getting worse by the day.

I have been a member of Galway County Council for a long time. Usually the number of people on the council waiting list fluctuates from 500 to 700. Last week there were 1,350 people in the county council area who did not have a roof over their heads and had nowhere to get one unless it was supplied by Galway County Council.

The Minister of State, Deputy Gallagher, spoke about the high level of house starts and finishes. I acknowledge that there have been a good number of houses built, but in the context of the number of people looking for houses it is the worst attempt to solve the problem in the past ten years. If we do no better next year and the year after than we did in the past two or three years, many of those 1,350 people will not get a house for five or six years. Imagine the pressure which will be put on the private rented sector, the supplementary welfare allowance scheme, etc., all because the Government did not do its job and ensure that there was the necessary supply of housing, which could have been foreseen?

To add insult to injury, in the budget the Mini ster for Finance decided to have a go at young people. He insulted everyone aspiring to build or buy his or her own house. He tried to put it across that €3,800 is not a lot of money. That is what he said. It is a huge amount of money to a couple who do not have any. In the case of affordable housing, the first-time buyer's grant was tailor-made for a deposit on a home.

I was also out on the streets. It is not often that we do this in east Galway. I will never forget standing outside Tesco's in Ballinasloe for three or four hours last Saturday fortnight. People who never voted for me in their lives – in my constituency, if they did not vote for me they voted for Fianna Fáil – lined up to sign that form. They wanted to see if they could write to the Minister saying that they were disgusted with what was in the budget a few days previously.

The Government has lost the run of itself. Because it is so long in power it does not understand the problems young people experience when they get to a certain stage in life where they want to own a home, which is a normal aspiration. The Minister of State, Deputy Gallagher, knows as well as I that if anything happens in the next couple of years to force a rise in interest rates, and this Government, no more than any other, has little to do with the current rates we are enjoying because it is a European Union matter, there will be problems in this country the like of which we have never seen in 25 years. What is going on is shameful. Unless the Government gets down to business, it will get its answer in June 2004 when people next have a chance to vote. I believe it will get a strong response to this then.

I listened with interest to the Minister and the Minister of State. The Minister of State, Deputy Gallagher, said that between 1998 and 2001, the provision of social and affordable housing grew by 35%. He also said he anticipates that the level of local authority housing provision this year will be the highest in over 15 years, at 5,500 units. If that is the case, why is the Government abandoning the 20% social housing clause introduced in 2000? If it is not broken, why does the Government want to fix it? This puzzles me.

Deputies Allen and Connaughton talked about the real anger of people after the abolition of the first-time buyer's grant. In the past five years, the average price of a house in Galway city has increased by 100%, from €100,000 to €200,000. I watched with interest the counterfeit anger of the Fianna Fáil and Progressive Democrats backbenchers when the Book of Estimates first indicated that the Minister of Finance planned to abolish the first-time buyer's grant. They went on local radio, on "Liveline" and elsewhere to screech and roar about what they would do about it. They were obviously called aside and told not to worry, that the Minister for Finance would fix the matter in the budget with mortgage interest relief.

The week before the budget these people issued statements to local newspapers demanding that the Minister for Finance provide mortgage interest relief in the budget. It was an exercise in political science to watch the backbenchers in this House on budget day. They flicked through copies of the Minister's speech in anticipation of what he would say. They reached page 14 and read very quickly the two short paragraphs providing that the current annual ceiling for mortgage interest relief would be raised by over one quarter to €4,000 for a single person and €8,000 for a married couple. They saw those magic figures and looked like gun dogs setting as if they were going to raise a pheasant.

When the Minister came to page 14 the applause was lead by Deputy O'Flynn, one of the greatest opponents of the abolition of the first-time buyer's grant the week previously. They failed to realise that instead of a pheasant, they had merely raised a curlew. They realised afterwards that the mortgage interest relief would only give a person €325 annually over seven years, which in no way compensates for the loss of the €3,800 first-time buyer's grant.

To add insult to injury, a day or two after the budget, the Minister for Finance announced a change in the VAT rate from 12.5% to 13% that would apply to housing materials. It would also affect new home buyers to the tune of up to €1,500 on a very modestly priced house or €2,000 on a €200,000 house. I have a letter here that first-time buyers from my constituency received from their solicitor concerning the purchase of a very moderately priced property in Dublin. It states: "Owing to the increase in VAT in the recent budget, we confirm that the purchase price of the above-mentioned house has now increased by €1, 580.43." That is the size of the increase on a modest, one bedroom, €170,000 apartment in Dublin. If that was a two or three-bedroom house, these people would be subjected to a possible increase of €2,000 or more.

On top of that a buyer trying to get on the first rung of the property ladder lost the first-time buyer's grant of €3,800 because he or she did not have the contract signed before the Book of Estimates was published. These people must now consider whether they will be able to go ahead with their commitments. No matter how you play with the figures, this is a penalty of over €2,000 on young buyers.

I listened with interest to the Minister for the Environment and Local Government, Deputy Cullen, before he left the Chamber. I thought I was in a labour ward when I came in, he talked so much about what he is delivering. All he delivered to his backbenchers, aided by the Minister for Finance, was a dummy. After the anger expressed to the backbenchers at their homes, clinics and elsewhere in the week prior to the budget, the Minister sold them a dummy by telling them not to worry, that the Government would make it up to them in the budget by increasing mortgage interest relief. They were so naive in buying the dummy that they erupted into applause in the House on budget day. They failed to realise on the day that mortgage interest relief would not in any way compensate for the loss of the first-time buyer's grant.

Housing waiting lists are getting longer. There are more than 2,000 people on the Galway city housing waiting list now, and the average wait is five years. In addition, people can no longer obtain a disabled person's grant, an essential repairs grant or a repairs for the elderly grant in Galway city because there is no money to meet requirements. There is not even enough money to provide travel expenses to the health board officers who go out to examine applications. These grants are essential in urban and rural areas. They help people to maintain a house in some reasonable order for the rest of their days. They are among the most essential and worthy grants that could be available, but they have all been cancelled because the money is no longer there to fund them.

The Minister, Deputy Cullen, comes into this House and preaches to the Opposition and everybody else. He ought to take his own backbenchers aside and explain to them what has been done. They will be conned again this time. They bought the promise on mortgage interest relief, hoping and expecting that it would compensate for the loss of the first-time buyer's grant. The budget speech was cleverly written to gain their applause on the day and ensure they would not realise how little the mortgage interest relief would actually give to a person. Page 14 merely referred to what the rates were being increased from –€3,175 for a single person and €6,350 for a married person, giving the impression that this was the size of the actual increase in mortgage interest relief. Everybody clapped and went home happy.

Debate adjourned.
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