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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 19 Nov 2003

Vol. 574 No. 5

Estimates for Public Services (Abridged) 2004: Motion (Resumed).

The following motion was moved by the Minister for Finance on Tuesday, 18 November 2003:
That Dáil Éireann commends the 2004 Estimates for Public Services (Abridged) published by the Minister for Finance on 13th November, 2003.
Debate resumed on amendment No. 1:
To delete all words after "Dáil Éireann" and substitute the following:
"–notes that the 2004 Estimates for Public Services (Abridged) published by the Minister for Finance on 13th November, 2003 will provide that:
–60% of the increase in current expenditure will be absorbed by increases in the Exchequer pay and pensions bill;
–the payment of a further round of benchmarking will be made without a commensurate reform programme to ensure value for money is delivered;
–in many Departments expenditure on non-pay subheads will decline in real terms, resulting in a reduction in the level of services provided;
–inadequate provision has been made to fund the capital infrastructural requirements, especially in the transport and health areas, which are needed to build a strong economy;
–further stealth taxes will be imposed on a range of State provided services, especially those under the remit of the local authorities;
–the cutbacks in the social welfare area represent a further attack on families and on lone parents;
–the Government's promise to recruit an additional 2,000 gardaí will not be met; and
–condemns the Government's stop/start approach to the management of the public finances which has totally failed to deliver quality services to the public despite incurring record levels of expenditure in recent years."
– (Deputy R. Bruton).

"Ireland – the Poorest of Europe's Rich", as The Economist magazine said in an infamous article in 1987. Ireland really was in the doldrums. Taxes were high, inflation rampant and industrial unrest widespread, while young people were leaving in search of a job in numbers not seen since the 1950s. Although we had become a basket case economy and there was increasing talk about the IMF intervening directly, 1987 was a watershed in the turnaround of the nation's fortunes. This was the year Fianna Fáil returned to Government, after five years of utter mismanagement by the Fine Gael-Labour coalition. Faced with cleaning up the mess, Fianna Fáil began to lay out a strategy of recovery which was to begin to bear fruit in the 1990s, the benefits of which we still experience.

In that year, under the guidance of the current Taoiseach, who was then Minister for Labour, the first social partnership agreement was hammered out. This agreement became the template on which stability and prosperity was built and continues to be a crucial aspect of economic and social policy going forward.

In 2003, having been returned to office for a second term, the Government has set out its spending priorities for the next year. The Esti mates being debated, which are built on six years of steady leadership and in the context of the worst global economic downturn in 20 years, will ensure that we are strongly positioned to benefit from future economic recovery, maintain and create employment and increase wealth.

The people clearly want the assurance of a capable Government with a proven track record which will put their taxes to good use.

With no dissenters.

The Government has set a steady course for the long term. It is setting priorities and making choices. This requires making tough decisions and having a vision which focuses on reality. It is not about quick fixes and short-term sound bites. The heady days of double digit growth are over and we must now operate within a new reality.

Speaking with one voice.

We cannot continue with the level of public spending possible in the recent past as the Government has less revenue at its disposal. We could return to a borrowing reliance, which many in the Opposition would have us do, but we know where that got us in the 1980s.

The Government borrowed €1.9 billion last year.

The gains made in recent years must be protected, and the only way forward is a greater prioritisation of spending. The fact that the Government is still able to increase spending, albeit at a slower rate than previously, is a clear indication that we are getting it right. Next year the Government will spend more than €40 billion, the highest ever. This is an increase of 5%, roughly double what is being achieved by other euro zone members. The extra €1.9 billion builds on a base of a massive increase in public spending in recent years and is being targeted where it is most needed, in building our infrastructure and developing our public services. We are operating within tighter financial constraints, but crucially we are still moving forward.

Although we have entered the stormy waters of an international downturn not of our making, there is brighter weather on the horizon. Recently, positive signs that the US economy is emerging from the doldrums have become apparent. Although these early signs of international recovery are encouraging, we must remain focused and responsible in our resolve. To deviate from our strategy of prioritising spending would be folly in the extreme.

The Government has demonstrated consistently that it is up to the job, and it is in this context that the Estimates should be viewed. Despite the efforts of the Opposition and some commentators to talk down the economy, we are in a very strong position. The fundamentals remain sound. Unemployment remains low, inflation is falling and interest rates are low. Our economic performance has been, and continues to be, the envy of our European neighbours. I have no doubt that most of them would love to swap their problems for ours.

What evidence has the Minister for that?

Although the so-called Celtic tiger period has been consigned to history by most commentators, its effects are clearly apparent. There is no doubt that over the past five to seven years there has been an irreversible transformation in the economy and, more importantly, in society. Ireland ten years ago and Ireland today are different countries. Despite a definite slowing up, this new transformed Ireland has put down deep roots. It is the duty of the Government to ensure these roots are nurtured and sustained in more challenging times.

There was no way – and it was even undesirable – for double digit growth to continue. The phenomenal growth of the economy in recent years has settled down, and because we have worked so hard to get the fundamentals right, we are in a strong and secure position. To have the resolve of being able to govern through more difficult times is the real test of good Government. These Estimates demonstrate clearly the strength of this resolve.

It is worth restating for the record – I am sure it will be repeated by many of my colleagues – how far we have come in the past six years. More than 400,000 new jobs have been created, with the ending of the massive emigration that blighted our country in the 1980s. Historically low levels of unemployment have been achieved, with long-term jobless figures being reduced by 80%. We have reduced our debt levels from 95% to 33% of gross national product – the second lowest in the EU, increased exports by 115% and brought living standards above and beyond those of our neighbours.

We have given people greater freedom to make their own choices by reducing the tax burden by almost €5 billion and have weighted this heavily in favour of the less well-off. Along with the most extensive measures at promoting social inclusion ever undertaken through record investment in health, education and social welfare, we have succeeded in removing almost 420,000 people from the tax net since our first budget in 1997.

These are real and lasting achievements which give us a strong platform from which the economy is well positioned to take full benefit of an improvement in the world economy. The Estimates will allow the Government not just to sustain the gains we have made but to build on them. Our focus remains on the greatest areas of priority. Health, education, social welfare and capital investment in infrastructure receive the largest increases. The bulk of the extra €1.9 billion will be spent in these areas because they are of greatest priority within the resources the Government has available to it. Social welfare will now receive €10.6 billion, health €10 billion, education €6.5 billion and infrastructure €5.5 billion. In simple terms, this is more money for pensions, hospitals, the employment of medical personnel, teachers, school building, third level research, roads, railways, transport and housing. All this comes on the back of sustained increases in recent years.

Although the Government has taken a more prudent approach to public spending, investment in the key areas continues. There is no doubt the direction is clearly forward. We must nurture and develop an environment which maintains quality employment, keeps inflation down and sustains competitiveness. The Book of Estimates will continue this momentum and I commend it to the House.

I wish to share my time with Deputy Ring. We must be in a unique position today in Dáil Éireann in that the Minister for Defence addressed the House on the Estimates without mentioning his own Department in the course of his speech. It must be unique that a Minister has not done so and certainly I have never heard of it before. Why did the Minister for Defence make no reference to his Department or the spending that will take place in it? Is he embarrassed by the fact that he will do so badly and will not be able to deliver the service? This must be unique.

I have always done it.

When we heard some of the information contained in his speech, we wondered from where it had emanated. Is it part of his payback for last week and a bit of grovelling? He said that we could return to the borrowing reliance. Is the Minister not aware that the Government borrowed this year to pay the SSIA account holders? This is not real. He went on to refer to our European neighbours and said: "I have no doubt most of them would love to swap their problems for ours." Is the Minister living in the real world? Is he living in his own little cocoon down in Tipperary from which he emerges now and again to let us know from where he comes? Is he real when he speaks about our European neighbours wanting to swap their problems for ours? He must be joking. Let us look at our health services and the way they are being treated. Look at what is happening to law and order. He is running out the door.

I am here.

Let us look at the promises he and his colleagues made in the run up to the last election, on none of which Government delivered. Is it any wonder he should run out the door and run away from it? He went on to say: "To have the resolve of being able to govern through more difficult times is the real test of good Government."

For the Minister for Defence to put that into a speech this week, after the week he has had, takes neck. That must gain the greatest brass neck award of this century for the Minister. I repeat the statement in case it has not been heard properly: "To have the resolve of being able to govern through more difficult times is the real test of good Government." In other words, we live by what we have done, we will not dissent, we will not break away from collective responsibility or anything else. In saying that, the Minister for Defence, Deputy Smith, wins the brass neck award.

The Estimates, as published by the Government last week, will bring about further difficulties for those at the margins, those on low incomes and ordinary middle class citizens who have to pay for everything, their mortgage, the additional supplements for their children to go to school, and respond to the fund raising collections for new schools and so on. What help is there for them in the Estimates? Absolutely nothing. Further stealth taxes will be imposed.

To qualify for the drugs refund scheme the threshold has been increased to €78. The Acting Chairman, Deputy Cowley, who has experience in this area, will be aware that for a person with a bout of illness a visit to their local GP will cost €35 and if he or she has to go for a prescription—

It costs €45 in Dublin, not in Punchestown.

We have GPs who operate on a more reasonable basis in our part of the country and I commend them for it. Their visit to the GP costs €35 and the drugs will possibly cost in the region of €78. To take that amount of money out of anyone's salary in a week would make a considerable hole in it. If they have to make a return visit to their GP and get more medicine it will be very expensive for them. Who will this affect most? If we have to pay for that we can manage it. It does not affect us too badly. For those on the margins or on reasonable incomes, this will be a huge hole in their resources and they will have great difficulties. What was to happen for those people?

In the run up to the last election the Minister for Social, Community and Family Affairs – unfortunately Deputy Coughlan was not then Minister – and his colleagues promised 200,000 more medical cards. What has happened to that promise? Absolutely nothing. In this Book of Estimates there is no hope for those people.

I am sorry the Minister for Defence, Deputy Smith, has left the House because the Hanly report has gone to his head. He will have to be sent to a psychiatric hospital since he is not living in the real world. Certainly, he learnt about the real world when he went down to Tipperary recently to speak about the Hanly report. This is probably the most right wing Thatcherite Government that has ever been in power since the foundation of the State.

The Deputy is quoting.

I am quoting myself.

Because that is what the Deputy represents in Fine Gael. He has lost his way.

This Government will be remembered as the most savage since the foundation of the State for its attack on the poor. I am disappointed the Minister for Social and Family Affairs, Deputy Coughlan, allowed her colleagues at the Cabinet table to walk all over her and take €57 million out of her budget, thus attacking the most vulnerable in society in respect of the back to education scheme, the back to work scheme which is gone, and the rent allowance, the most outrageous of all, on which I have tabled a question for next week. How will the Minister implement the new system of rent allowance? It will not work.

All voluntary organisations in the State are crying out about what is happening to the poor. I will be expecting wonderful things from the Minister in the budget. If what happened last week is the signal and the message that has gone out, it is a disgrace.

I listened this morning to somebody from the racing industry say how much money is being taken from off course betting. This Government thinks more of animals than it does of people. That is sad but it is the truth.

That is not true.

That is the truth. It sickens me to see the way Mr. Magnier and Alex Ferguson can fight out stud fees in court while there are people who cannot live on social welfare owing to the increased cost of food and other cost rises. The Government wants to take them out and does not want them around. It is outrageous.

The Minister should have stood up last week and should have done as the Minister for Defence, Deputy Smith, did last week. She should have said that if the Government goes ahead with this reduction she will resign and that somebody else should be found to do the job.

She would not do that. The car is too important.

I listened to the Minister for Defence, Deputy Smith, speak about direct taxes and indirect taxes. The Government will destroy this economy because there is a stealth tax every day. What local authorities propose to do in the coming months will affect the poor. I hope that in the budget the Minister will protect the social welfare increases and that they will not be taken in stealth tax by the local authorities in respect of charges, rent and so on. There is a great deal of outrage. It will not be long before the people take to the streets because they will not put up with much more of this. They are angry, annoyed and frustrated in regard to what is happening.

There is a two-tier system here, one law for the rich and one law for the poor. The poor are suffering and have been targeted by the Government in recent years. The first time there is a downturn it attacks the poor.

It sickens and galls me to hear individuals such as the Minister for Defence, Deputy Smith, tell us this morning how wonderful the economy is. Of course it is wonderful. It is wonderful for the rich because they get away with low taxes and there is every kind of tax break for them. However, it is not wonderful for the poor person on social welfare, medical cards, rent allowance and on housing lists and it is certainly not wonderful for those waiting for hip, heart and cataract operations.

When we see the budget I hope there will be major increases for those on social welfare and those who need them most. However, I doubt it, given that the Government has taken €57 million out of the Minister's budget and is targeting the most vulnerable in society. I do not see much hope for the poor. As Deputy Paul McGrath has said, in its manifesto the Government promised to increase the number of medical cards. Those people have been let down by the Government but they will not forget. In June the people will be able to adjudicate on this Thatcherite right wing Government. The Minister has the Thatcherites behind her supporting her.

The party of which the Deputy is a member gave €1.83 to the poor. The Deputy should shut his mouth. That party should be ashamed of itself.

The Deputy should be a member of the Conservative Party in Britain. All the Thatcherites are there to support the Minister.

The Deputy belongs to the €1.83 brigade.

The people will speak out next June. Were Deputies Johnny Brady and Cassidy standing in the local elections they would not be elected. Deputies opposite are Thatcherites.

Order, please, allow the Minister to speak.

The Deputy is part of the €1.83 brigade. He should be ashamed of himself.

That is what the party of which Deputy Ring is a member did for the poor of Ireland.

The Minister should go out to Russia.

The Russians turned Deputy Ring back.

Acting Chairman

Allow the Minister to speak.

Sometimes it is hard for the boys on the other side to accept the truth. The 2004 Estimates underscore this Government's commitment to keeping the public finances in a healthy condition and to keeping down taxes in order to strengthen and maintain the competitive position of the Irish economy.

What about poor families? What about family-friendly policies?

However, our efforts have not been confined to economic improvements alone, but because of them we have been able to institute major improvements in social protection programmes. It is often said that the success of a country can be measured by the way in which it cares for the less well-off in society.

That is right.

That is right.

This Government would not fare too well in that assessment.

However, the Opposition parties here today have no record of showing such care and concern. Instead they shed crocodile tears, failing to admit that there is a record spend on social welfare provision, a spend increased year on year by Fianna Fáil in Government. Let the facts speak for themselves, and here are just a few.

So is inflation.

Fianna Fáil has increased the lowest social welfare rates by 50% since 1997. In their time, the Labour Party and Fine Gael's average rise in the lowest social welfare rate was just €2.74 compared to €6.96 under this Government. We have removed 77,000 pensioners from the tax net and increased pensions by 59% since 1997. In comparison, when Democratic Left controlled the social welfare purse strings, before controlling the Labour Party completely, its then Minister saluted the country's elderly with a derisory increase in the pension of £1.80.

What about tax controls? The Minister is avoiding the subject of women and children.

The rainbow coalition had the chance and failed the people. Can we really believe that the Labour Party today, the really old Labour Party, or the "stickie" part of the party, would be more caring now than when they had the opportunity to do something positive?

We would be more caring than this Government. What about women and children?

There is poor Deputy Burton sitting between the two of them.

Where is the poor Minister going to sit?

What about Fine Gael? Poor Fine Gael. I have said enough. In Government we have implemented the largest series of social welfare and child benefit increases in the history of this country—

There are more to come.

—because of our prudent management of the finances of this country—

The Government broke its promise.

(Interruptions).

Acting Chairman

Let there be no interruptions. Let the Minister speak.

—and in turn the constant review and updating of social welfare schemes in line with my duty of care will ensure that limited resources are spent on those most in need next year when there will be record spending on health, education and social welfare.

We are coming up to the next election.

Two thirds of total Government spending next year will be spent on these three areas of social spending. Never before has so much money been allocated to these three areas and never before has any Government put such an emphasis on the social agenda.

The Minister is only a small part of it.

On social welfare measures I will oversee a record spend of €10.65 billion, an increase of €355.5 million on 2003.

The Minister should tell that to the homeless.

That is almost double the spend since 1997 in spite of falling unemployment figures.

The Government clawed back €58 million. Cutbacks.

Let me remind the House, that these Estimates bring us only halfway through the process which determines overall spending on social welfare for next year and culminates in the publication of the budget on 3 December. These figures do not include expenditure on any of the increases in social welfare payments and other improvements which I will be introducing as part of the overall budget package.

Is the Minister happy with them?

This level of spending can be difficult to comprehend but next year, for approximately every €3 spent by this Government, €1 will go to social welfare recipients.

That is completely meaningless.

One third of Government spending will go to the estimated 970,000 people on average who will claim a weekly social welfare payment next year.

The Minister should do an economic analysis of that.

I know it is hard to listen to but the Deputies could at least have some manners.

Acting Chairman

I ask the Deputies to allow the Minister to speak. They will all have their own opportunities to speak.

Those funds will benefit approximately 1.5 million people including their dependants or about four out of every ten people in the State.

That is very touching.

Compared to 1997, when this Government came into office, total social welfare expenditure will have almost doubled. During the same period, unemployment has dramatically declined from a rate of 10.3% to 4.4%. This has enabled substantial improvements to be made, not alone in the rates of social welfare payments, but also in the conditions for entitlement to these services. For example, old age pensions have been increased by over €58 a week. The rate of child benefit for the first two children has increased by almost €87.50 a month.

That is not what the Government promised.

The rates for the third and subsequent children have increased by over €107 a month.

Bed and breakfast.

The means test for carer's allowance has been substantially eased, and a new carer's benefit scheme has been introduced to cater for people who wish to take time out from the workforce.

Tell that to carers. There is nothing in it for them. They qualify for nothing. The Minister has done nothing for them.

The free schemes have been extended to all pensioners aged 70 and over, regardless of their income. Some of the main areas of increased social welfare expenditure provided for in the 2004 Estimates include child benefit, which will be increased by €70 million, old age contributory pension, which will be increased by €51 million—

That is because they have paid into it.

—-disability allowance will increase by €40 million and supplementary welfare allowance, will increase by €72 million.

I have already referred to our commitment to keep the public finances in a healthy position.

The Minister should hear the men who want to be directors of them. They would not think much of the poor.

The 2004 Estimates have therefore, been framed to stay within the overall spending guidelines agreed by the Government.

The Minister is now taxing unemployment benefit.

This has impacted on social welfare spending, where a number of spending pressures have arisen during the last year, including a substantial increase in the number of child benefit claimants, increased utility prices on the free schemes and a significant increase in the numbers of people claiming rent supplements. These spending pressures emphasise the need for my Department to ensure careful management of the social welfare budget—

Otherwise known as cutbacks.

—to ensure that the resources are focused on those most in need. Expenditure on various social welfare payments is reviewed on an ongoing basis to ensure that these schemes continue to meet their objectives. During the year, areas of potential savings have been identified and several measures are now being implemented to ensure that social welfare spend is better focused. For the most part, these measures will not affect existing claimants, but will apply to new claimants from various dates in 2004.

What about the dietary allowance?

The qualifying period for the back to education allowance is being increased from six months to 15 months in respect of the third level option.

That has been abolished.

There were too many taking it up.

The original qualifying period was set at a time when unemployment was considerably higher. Since then unemployment has fallen dramatically. Furthermore, the Government has introduced the employment action plan which offers job placement or other supports such as training for those who find it difficult to be placed in employment. Until now, with an intervention point for both second and third level courses at six months, the measure was not particularly well targeted at labour market disadvantage. Existing recipients of BTEA will not be affected. This measure still allows people to avail of the second level option after six months in receipt of a payment. This effectively recognises the more urgent need for an intervention in the case of people who have not completed secondary education.

If they have a leaving certificate do they have to go back and do another one?

Under the terms of the supplementary welfare allowance scheme, payment of a weekly or monthly supplement may be made in respect of rent to eligible people in the State whose means are insufficient to meet their accommodation needs and who do not have accommodation available to them from any other source. There are currently 59,367 rent supplements in payment.

How does Deputy Cassidy put up with it?

Do people who already hold one have to go back and do another one?

Deputy Burton needs to speak more slowly.

Do they have to go back and do another leaving certificate?

Can Deputy Cassidy not follow what is being said?

Expenditure this year is expected to be some €330 million, an increase of about €76 million or 30% on the €254 million spend of last year. In this context, several measures regarding social welfare allowance rent supplement scheme will be implemented. These include an increase in the minimum contribution to be made by the recipients from €12 to €13 per week in order to maintain the rate of the minimum contribution at approximately 10% of the basic personal rate of supplementary welfare allowance. In future, if one of a couple is in full-time employment, both will be excluded from claiming rent or mortgage supplement.

That is a new poverty trap for poor working families.

Does a family not have rights?

At least that works.

This measure gives effect to the original intention that social welfare allowance should not be paid in cases where there is full-time employment in the household. Health boards will be given the power to refuse rent supplement in cases where the applicant has not already been renting for a period of six months, with provisions for exceptions to the homeless, people who are at risk of becoming homeless and other vulnerable people. The purpose of the SWA rent supplement, like other social welfare programmes, is to meet income maintenance needs, not long-term housing needs.

That is a joke. We should not have to listen to that.

Deputy Ryan lost his seat over the one in three.

This measure is needed to refocus the scheme on income maintenance such as existing tenants who become unemployed and can no longer afford their rent. When some of the Opposition Deputies were on the county councils they did not do much for them. With regard to all the SWA measures, particular care will be taken to ensure that the interests of vulnerable groups, such as the homeless, the elderly and people with disabilities, are fully protected in the course of implementing these measures.

That is rubbish.

Health boards will retain the discretion to make exceptions in individual cases. In addition, the measures will be implemented in the context of a greater role for local authorities in meeting the long-term housing needs of people who currently rely on rent supplement, particularly the vulnerable groups mentioned.

How can they do that when they have no houses? It is a joke, a sham.

The Minister should not do that.

It is a sham.

Discussions in this regard between the relevant Departments are well advanced and several projects are under way, involving close co-operation, including in Deputy Ryan's council area.

The Minister should tell us about them.

The co-operation between the local authority, the health board and my Department at local level, aims to achieve a better outcome for rent supplement recipients.

The Government has been doing that for the past four years and it has not been able to reach an agreement with the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government.

I emphasise that people who have particular problems and difficulties will be cared for and nobody will be made homeless because of this measure.

How will they be cared for?

Acting Chairman

Deputy Ryan, there will be no more interruptions or I will take action.

At present, lone parents can earn €146.50 a week without affecting their entitlements to one-parent family payments. Where their earnings are between €146.50 and €293 per week a benefit is reduced by 50 cent for each euro of earnings. Further arrangements are in place which enable lone parents to retain 50% of their previous entitlement for a transitional period of 12 months where their earnings go over the €293 threshold. This transitional payment was originally intended to ease the move from social welfare to employment by cushioning the loss of the social welfare payment.

As well as to get rid of the poverty trap. That is what it was for.

The present earnings disregard therefore enables lone parents to retain a significant level of income support. I will finish on the following point.

The Minister is not finished. She will have to wait for the people to know, and the backbenchers.

The OECD study stated that the existing system of earnings disregard serves largely to encourage lone parents to top up benefit income with small earnings rather than help them back into regular employment. The study suggested that the family income supplement could be better promoted as a tool for providing financial incentives for lone parents to enter employment.

That has gone down by 4% in the Minister's Estimate. If what the Minister is saying is true, why did—

Acting Chairman

The Minister will conclude.

For the benefit of the Opposition spokesperson on finance, who should know better—

The Minister should read her own Estimate.

As is obviously stated in Vote 40, the amount of income being made available under family income supplement is €445,900.

The Minister should read her own Estimate. The money allocated has decreased by 4%.

That does not take into consideration the inflows of last year which were considerably lower than the Estimate. In other words, we never reached the estimated amount of money made available and on that basis we re-evaluated the Estimate.

Acting Chairman

The Minister will conclude. The time is up. The Minister may read the remainder into the record.

The backbenchers can listen to her.

Let them stand up and be counted.

The Minister's time is up.

I have announced today a number of measures which will remove anomalies and focus better on resources paid from the social insurance fund. The Estimate represents the final stage in the overall process of determining social welfare expenditure for next year. I look forward to building on this progress when I bring forward my social welfare budget package in the coming weeks.

I wish to share my time with Deputy Crawford.

Acting Chairman

Is that agreed? Agreed.

I am amazed at the degree of support that has emerged in this case for a Government and a Minister who have presided over a series of cuts, the like of which the populace of this country has never experienced in the run-up to Christmas. Gone long since are the days when the Government was full of promise before the last general election, when it set very high standards. A lot done, more to do, was the slogan, and the Government was certainly right in that regard.

The Deputy was part of the £1.83 brigade.

The Deputy should remember the rainbow Government.

The Government did not tell the people what it proposed to do, or to whom it intended to do it.

Acting Chairman

I tried to get order for the Minister when she was speaking. The Deputies should allow the same courtesy to the other side of the House.

The Government did not tell the people to whom they proposed to do it, and the poor unfortunate people of this country now realise what the Government meant. The Government set about making the homeless more uncomfortable than they were.

It is as if the Deputy's party did not do that.

Since the Government came to office the number of homeless people has increased. I did not think that was possible, and I do not know if the Government thought it was possible, but it has proved so. The Government has made things more difficult for the homeless and, by means of the cuts it has introduced in the past few days, has ensured that an increasing number will become homeless.

That is not true.

The Government has also ensured that benefits for the homeless will be cut.

That is not true.

That is last year's script.

It took a great deal of imagination to bring that about, but what worries me most is that the Government is taking pleasure in it. It is a sadistic pleasure which manifests itself in the Government making life more difficult for the most defenceless people in our community.

The Deputy should recall his former leader.

The Government, by virtue of the recent budget and the recent proposals, is anti-family. As a constituency politician working on the ground, the Leas-Cheann Comhairle knows that young people today can no longer marry or enter into a permanent relationship because they cannot afford to buy a house. If they enter into a permanent relationship, any social welfare benefits they had are removed from them. They have two options. They can either go into the black economy and defraud the system or remain forever on the streets because the Government does not intend to do anything for them. The Government has done some strange things.

What did the Deputy's party do?

The strangest thing of all is that the people who were in difficulty before, the people who expected the Government to deliver to them, as per its proposals in the last general election, are helpless and forlorn. The Government is taking pleasure in that, but it will not go on forever.

What did the Deputy's party do?

There are two Ministers in the House today who cannot make up their minds who is responsible for housing. The Minister for Social and Family Affairs says her Department has no responsibility and that the cuts that have taken place in rental allowances do not affect the housing situation. The Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government says rental allowance is an integral part of housing, and that situation is now made more difficult.

The Deputy is part of the £1.83 brigade.

I ask the Leas-Cheann Comhairle to ask the Deputies on that side of the House, who are living in fairyland, to tell us where the people will get the money to pay for rented accommodation for six months. Where will they get it in the future? The Government was right when it said there was a lot done and more to do, because it intends to do more people. If the public thinks the Government has finished with them, it has not. The Government is saving up for the next general election, for the next onslaught on the social fabric of this country. The Government intends to spend the money before the general election, pay back all the money it failed to pay before and con the people again. The people who formerly had difficulty getting housing will, with the homeless, increase in number on the streets of Dublin and the towns for the foreseeable future.

That has nothing to do with Fine Gael.

That is an old script.

There are no schools. An entire generation of young people is being educated in prefabricated run-down rat-infested buildings which do not comply with basic health and safety standards.

Acting Chairman

The Deputy's five minutes have expired.

I was interrupted a lot, as the Leas-Cheann Comhairle knows, and I would like to have the same latitude as that allowed to the Minister for Social and Family Affairs. I will take up this case again. As a result of the activities of the Government we will have more poor and homeless, more crime and more ill health. The Government is attempting to make living a luxury.

The Deputy's party will lose more seats.

We will let the electorate judge that. We are now discussing the Book of Estimates, not the last general election, when promises were made that were not fulfilled.

What is the Deputy's policy?

Some 200,000 medical cards were promised for the poor of this country, but what has happened? Thousands have been taken away. That is a fact which cannot be denied. The poor are being made poorer, there is no question about that. I have no intention of referring to the cuts of €56 million which the Government has imposed. That will be dealt with by some of my colleagues. The Minister for Social and Family Affairs need have no worry but that the country will give its reaction to that.

Rent increases have been implemented even before this year's Book of Estimates or the budget. I met a person recently who has been given one of these special jobs through redeployment, and his rent has already increased from €18 to €47. That is some way to treat a man trying to get off the ground.

We heard last night in this House and again today of 64 elderly people waiting for subvention beds because there is no money in the North Eastern Health Board. Local authorities have to raise €160 million as a result of the Government's cutbacks in the local government grant. That forms part of the extra stealth taxes which are not included in the Book of Estimates and will not be included in the budget.

The Minister for Transport is present in the House. I welcome his efforts to deal with problems in many areas, but in regard to the N2 and N3 and cross-Border roads that are supposed to be maintained under the Good Friday agreement, there has been no roll-out in Castleblayney, Monaghan town, Cavan town or Belturbet, or on a road right through to Donegal.

They have been 70 years in the same state.

I assure the Deputy that many promises were made. His colleague, Senator O'Brien has informed us that a swimming pool is guaranteed in the Estimates, and I hope it will be guaranteed when we meet the Minister in three hours' time.

Cavan has the highest increase in housing in the country and it is a credit to all those there.

I wonder how good a job has been done in Mullingar by you, Deputy.

Acting Chairman

The Deputy should address his comments through the Chair and then he will not invite a response.

What the Deputy is talking about is a disgrace. There are more homeless people on the streets of Dublin than ever before.

Cavan-Monaghan is doing very well.

The Government has ensured that more will be on the streets given how rent allowance has been dealt with as a result of the Book of Estimates.

Rents are declining.

When one has no money.

Acting Chairman

The Deputy's time is concluded.

Deputy Cassidy should come into the real world. I know Castlepollard is the centre of the universe.

Obviously Ministers are in serious trouble with their backbenchers who are trying to tell them what is happening. That is why Ministers are getting the Book of Estimates so wrong. Schools were given written promises before the last election that building programmes would begin in 2003—

And what is the Deputy's?

I can tell the Deputy one thing for certain. We delivered whatever we promised.

The Deputy's party spent nothing and lost 40% of its seats.

The Deputy's party took over an economy that was producing 1,000 jobs per week and is not now producing any. The Tánaiste has cut the budget for IDA Ireland, Enterprise Ireland and the enterprise boards. There is no support from the Government for those who want to make a start. The poor are being made poorer. The Government is not helping young people looking for jobs and housing because it is cutting off much-needed help and is imposing levies through the county councils because it is not prepared to impose them itself.

Close them down.

The progress our country has made—

(Interruptions).

Acting Chairman

Deputy Cassidy, you will cease interrupting or I will be forced to take action. Order, please.

There are 70,000 children living in poverty.

Are the Government Members not ashamed of themselves? The Government should apologise to the people for what it has done to them.

Acting Chairman

No more interruptions, please. Please allow the Minister, Deputy Brennan. Deputy Cassidy, do not interrupt.

I will not interrupt, a Chathaoirligh.

Acting Chairman

Every Member deserves the courtesy of being heard in the House without continuous interruptions. Please allow the Minister that courtesy.

He of the hard hat.

The 2004 Estimate of expenditure for the Department of Transport will be €2.007 billion, an increase of 2% above the comparable 2003 Estimate—

It is not on stilts anyway.

—when adjustments are made in the public transport Estimates. The historically high level of investment in major infrastructure is being maintained by the Department next year when a total of €1.227 billion – in excess of €100 million each month – will be invested in construction of motorways and dual carriageways. The 2004 provision, which is more than half of the entire Estimate for the Department next year, will be invested in up to 27 major road projects. I am confident that an agreed guaranteed financial package for the major road construction programme will soon be finalised. This will commit investment of approximately €6 billion over the next five years subject to finalisation of the financial package for that period with the Department of Finance.

The roads allocation builds on the progress being made this year when 11 major roads projects consisting of 82 kilometres of high quality roads are completed and opened to traffic. These include the M1 motorway and the Kildare, Glen of the Downs, Watergrasshill and Youghal bypasses. The 2004 provision of €1.227 billion will fund 16 projects which are under way or due to get under way before the end of the year, including the N2 Carrickmacross, Monasterevin, N11 Rathnew-Ashford and Cashel bypasses, the M50 south-eastern motorway and the M50 Dublin Port tunnel. It will also fund the commencement of work next year on another 11 projects, including the N2 Ashbourne and N6 Loughrea bypasses, the N4 Sligo inner relief road, the N18 Ennis bypass, the N25 Kinsale Road interchange and the N25 Waterford bypass.

Well done.

The high level of Exchequer investment will be supplemented in 2004 by private sector investment of more than €185 million in public private partnership schemes—

Deputy Lynch says the Minister will have carried out more bypasses than the Minister for Health and Children.

That would be great.

He is a Jack of all trades.

That is good news.

Acting Chairman

Please allow the Minister to speak without interruption.

Kilcock-Kinnegad is a PPP scheme and is ahead of schedule.

That means more tolls.

The Dundalk western bypass is also a PPP scheme.

Funding will also be allocated to the ongoing programme of safety measures, road improvement and safety bridge strengthening works throughout the national road network. A provision of €53 million is also being made for maintenance of the national roads network which will ensure a good programme of work in maintaining surface quality.

There will be significant improvements in public transport services in 2004 due to the major investment of more than €1 billion undertaken since 1999. This was used to upgrade the track system and make it safer. More than 80% of the national track system has been completely renewed and is brand new. The next stage will be investment in the more visible side of the railways such as carriages and engines. Up to now most of the taxpayers' money was used for the upgrading of the rail network to make it safer. The total allocation for public transport in £2004 is €646 million. Of this €366 million is capital funding and another €37 million is EU funding, bringing the total capital investment in public transport to more than €400 million.

The provision of a €260 million subvention to the CIE companies is an increase of 6% and will allow the operating companies, Iarnród Éireann, Dublin Bus and Bus Éireann, to continue to upgrade the quality and frequency of services to attract higher numbers to public transport. Iarnród Éireann's new timetable is largely driven by the delivery of the additional 80 diesel rail cars and will see a significant increase in capacity and frequency of services on the peak commuter services. The introduction of the new timetable in early December 2003 will also see improvements in the off-peak period as well as in intercity services and commuter services outside Dublin. Gaps in the mid-morning and mid-afternoon intercity and outer suburban rail timetables will be filled by this new timetable. There is good news for the Limerick-Clare region with the introduction of seven additional services on the Limerick-Ennis service, and in Cork the commuter service from Cobh to Cork will now extend to Mallow.

The delivery of 40 DART cars will commence in 2004. When they go into service, DART passenger capacity will have increased by 100% since 2000.

Hear, hear.

This is significant for such an important commuter route. Bus Éireann and Bus Átha Cliath continue to upgrade and enhance their fleets and, with the dedicated bus corridors in place, the bus is proving to be an attractive and successful mode of transport. To further support the bus as a preferred mode of transport, €40 million has been allocated to traffic management grants in the Dublin area which will double the number of dedicated bus corridors to 18. The provision of bus corridors in Galway and Cork is being considered and other cities are invited to seek funds for the introduction of quality bus corridors. It is critically important that bus corridors continue to be introduced so that buses can travel around the cities more easily and attract more passengers. A sum of €40 million has been allocated for traffic management grants in the Dublin area and €35 million of that amount will be spent next year on quality bus corridors, which is a significant investment in the bus lane programme in 2004. I would like to increase the number of quality bus corridors from nine to 18 by the end of 2004 and the DTO is working on that.

The Estimates provide €187 million for the safety and development of public transport. The reconvened task force on rail safety is completing its report and its recommendations will form the basis of the 2004 railway safety programme. Over €670 million has already been invested in the safety programme, resulting in over 90% of track being renewed, a higher percentage than indicated earlier. Approximately €37 million in EU funds will be provided for CIE public transport projects such as Heuston Station and the DART upgrade.

Overall, the Estimates for 2004 demonstrate that substantial investment in public transport, substantially higher than was the case two years ago, is beginning to provide users with a safe travelling environment and move more people throughout the city.

What about the tunnel? They will bump their heads on the ceiling.

What about the 87 houses in Marino that were damaged by tunnelling?

I am committed to the integration of modes and this will be enhanced further by the introduction of integrated ticketing, an important development in the public transport system.

The Estimates provide €125 million for the capital costs of the Luas light rail system, which will commence passenger services next summer. Luas will provide additional capacity of 8,500 during peak times, with journey times of 42 minutes from Tallaght to Connolly Station and 22 minutes from Sandyford to the city centre.

Funding has also been made available for accessibility projects, the rural public transport initiative, interchange developments and research into public transport.

As well as the tunnel.

There is an allocation of €2.8 million in the Estimates for the National Safety Council, which will allow it to continue to promote road safety through campaigns and education.

In aviation, €22.5 million has been provided for regional airports.

That is a cut of 21%. Why is that?

That includes Knock Airport.

Subvention of the PSO air services, which facilitate air access between Dublin and the areas served by the six regional airports, marketing, safety and security measures undertaken by those airports will be allocated about €20 million in 2004.

What about the tunnel?

A further €2.5 million is being allocated in capital under the NDP to help fund improvements, upgrade facilities and maintain safe, viable operations at our airports.

The 2004 Estimates of expenditure for the Department stand at over €2 billion compared to a fraction of that only a few years ago and allow the Department of Transport to continue to oversee a high level of investment in roads, the rail network, the bus system and airports. These Estimates will allow infrastructure to continue to develop at a rapid pace and we will see visible evidence of these improvements in the months ahead.

We will see them through the tunnel.

The Deputy's party went down a tunnel a year and a half ago and did not come out the other side.

The Deputy should be careful in Castlepollard. He will be sitting in the Seanad again if he does not watch out.

I had intended to address some of the economic implications of the Estimates, including the transport provisions, but having listened to the Minister for Social and Family Affairs, one must come back to the Disneyland she inhabits, judging by her speech.

Not only is the Taoiseach in denial about the implications of what she has done, but so is the Minister for Social and Family Affairs herself. The Government is going to brazen this out, pretending that it has not made the meanest cuts we have seen in social welfare, affecting the most defenceless in society, since the dirty dozen. The Minister comes in and throws around global figures, with so many billions spent on social welfare and so many hundreds of millions spent on one aspect or another. There was not a word, however, about the real people who will be affected by what she has done.

The Minister, Deputy Coughlan, can lay fair claim to being the most popular Deputy in the House, and I agree with that. There is a price to pay for being a Cabinet Minister, however, and she has allowed herself to be mugged by the Minister for Finance in these Estimates. She does not seem to appreciate what she has been forced to do. Coming into this House and saying that the total spend on social welfare now is €X billion, compared to €Y billion seven years ago, is neither here nor there. That is not the issue. The issue is that the most vulnerable, those without a voice, who in many cases do not vote, will pay the price for the cuts she has introduced. She does not seem to understand that the entire trend in recent years – Fianna Fáil was involved at the time when my colleague Deputy Burton started the process – has been towards the progressive reform of social welfare to encourage lone parents back into employment.

What did she create? Poverty traps and disincentives.

Those were precisely what Deputy Burton addressed.

Fianna Fáil agreed the measures.

Am I not entitled to form a different opinion from Deputy Burton?

She gave people a pathway out of the poverty traps but the Minister has been walked back into recreating them.

We gave them jobs, not poverty traps.

The Deputy should take his medicine.

Deputy Fleming makes a fair point and we are all delighted that the impact of the growth in the economy in the last decade created jobs. No one disputes that but it is a complete red herring because there are still unem ployed people and lone parents, and their numbers are rising. There are still those who need the dietary supplement, those with coeliac disease and those in the home where the spouse or partner is working who will be driven back into poverty as a result of these changes.

What is the point in telling me that there are more people at work? When we left Government, more than 1,000 jobs a week were being created. In recent times we have been losing 500 jobs a week in the traditional sector, although, happily, there has been growth in other sectors. There is no point in bring me down a cul-de-sac. We know about job expansion, just as we know that the population is much larger.

At the beginning of this discussion, a colleague gave me a note about discussions with her local money advice bureau service to help a woman to put an arrangement in place with the credit union to repay the mortgage. Her husband is a chronic alcoholic, a phenomenon known to Deputies on both sides of the House, there are children to be reared and the building society is threatening to take the house. What has the Minister done?

That is not a MABS supplement. The Deputy should get his facts right.

Will the Minister listen for once? She might learn something.

A MABS supplement is for the lender.

I cannot see why the Minister does not understand. If she wants to keep heckling me, I will take the opportunity to list the 16 savage cuts over which she has presided and then let her reply to them one by one.

I have already listed them.

First, social welfare recipients must now be on welfare for 15 months, rather than six months, to qualify for the back to education allowance at third level.

It is an absolute scandal.

That is crystal clear. Young people who want to better themselves by getting access to third level education and then a job are being cut off.

It is a shame.

No. 2, a lone parent will be refused the transitional half rate social welfare payment to ease the break from welfare when he or she takes up employment and is earning €293 or more per week.

That is long-term, not short-term.

That is a recreation of the poverty trap. This was the money the single mother used to pay a child minder or a crèche while she went back to work and paid tax to the State. She will now be driven out of work into the home and will be drawing full benefit from the State.

Half payments only for the first year.

She does not have to pay tax at that level.

It is a disaster.

No. 3, recipients of supplementary welfare allowance, rent or mortgage supplement must pay at least €13 instead of €12 towards their accommodation before qualifying for these allowances.

That is right.

No. 4, supplementary welfare allowance will no longer be paid to a household where one member is in full employment. If one of a couple is working, both are excluded from rent allowance or mortgage supplement.

Regardless of the wages.

They are back into the poverty trap.

What happened to individualisation?

Individualisation on taxation is all right for the Minister for Finance, Deputy McCreevy, but it is not all right for the Minister, Deputy Coughlan, on social welfare.

No. 5, health boards can now refuse rent supplement to someone not already renting for six months unless they are homeless—

Which they will be.

—or where there are other compelling reasons. Of course they will be homeless. This measure will make them homeless. How will they pay the first six months' rent? Rent allowance claimants will be referred to the local authority for assessment of housing need in a more systematic manner, whatever that means.

No. 7, rent allowance will no longer be paid to people who refuse an offer of a local authority house or who leave such housing without reasonable cause. The Minister should visit some of the local authority housing available in the larger cities where the areas are unpoliced and are run by young thugs, joyriders and those engaging in anti-social activity. If you fall on hard times and are offered one of these houses, we will see your response to that.

She would not live there.

Will the Minister provide gardaí for those flats blocks?

Acting Chairman

Deputy Rabbitte, without interruption. Deputy Rabbitte should address his remarks through the Chair.

No. 8, a supplement given to recipients of supplementary welfare allowance who have been supported by the money advice and budgeting service in brokering a deal with creditors will now be discontinued.

Forcing people back to money lenders.

They will not be forced back to the money lenders.

The crèche supplement, which assists in covering the costs of emergency child care, is to be abolished. The dietary supplement, which is paid to people with special dietary needs, for example, coeliacs, is to be phased out over a number of years. The entitlement to the half rate child dependant allowance in respect of unemployment and disability benefit claims will be discontinued when the claimant's spouse or partner has a gross weekly income in excess of €300.

Another poverty trap.

The current weekly earnings permitted to claim the reduced rates of disability or unemployment benefit has been increased from €88.88 to €150.

Does the Deputy understand what that is all about?

The entitlement for new claimants to the half rate payment of disability or unemployment benefit, where the recipient is already in receipt of widow's/widower's pension or the one parent family payment, will be discontinued.

That is a mean one.

Absolutely.

The maximum duration of unemployment benefit will be reduced from 390 days to 312 days where a person has less than 260—

The Deputy's party did not do much when in office. It created more poverty traps than incentives. An increase of £1.20 on child benefit.

(Interruptions).

Acting Chairman

Order. Deputy Rabbitte, your time has expired.

I have expired 13 of the savage cuts but I have three more to go and it will not take me 30 seconds. The maximum duration of unemployment benefit will be reduced from 390 to 312 days where a person has less than five years' PRSI contributions.

Another cut.

No. 15, the number of paid PRSI contributions required for qualification for disability, unemployment, health and safety benefit has been increased from 39, since first entering insurance, to 52.

Only for first entrants.

The last of the 16 savage cuts introduced by the Minister, Deputy Coughlan, the Minister for Finance, Deputy McCreevy, and this Government is an increase in the period where claims for unemployment and disability benefit are linked to previous claims from 13 weeks to 26 weeks.

The Minister was duped by the Minister for Finance, Deputy McCreevy, who has a track record on cutting the entitlements of the poor, the safety net for the most defenceless, vulnerable and voiceless in our society. The Society of St. Vincent de Paul and all the other organisations concerned are already on record in that regard and the Minister will hear more about it before the Social Welfare Bill is introduced.

Deputy Cassidy requested a minute of my time to raise a number of issues.

Acting Chairman

Is that agreed? Agreed.

I want to speak about the Book of Estimates but I have to remind people that when Deputy Rabbitte last sat at the Cabinet table, or under it as he was a half Minister at the time, he walked through the lobbies of this House to support some of the smallest increases in old age pensions and child benefit that ever came before this House.

There were no cutbacks.

We never cut welfare.

The Minister did not deserve to be hung out to dry. She did not deserve to be hung out to dry like them.

Give to those who have and take from those who have not.

The great hope of people on social welfare failed them miserably during the time of the 1994-97 coalition Government. I also remind the Labour Party that it has fallen into the old trap of forgetting the fundamentals in any society, that we must first create wealth before we can distribute it. The Labour Party is falling back into its old tricks – high borrowing, high taxation and all that follows that. Collectively, it is a party of promises.

(Interruptions).

The Deputy's party is a party of broken promises.

Acting Chairman

Please give the Deputy the courtesy of allowing him to speak.

The Joan and Kathleen show.

On the issue of the Book of Estimates, I remind Deputies of the strides we have made in recent years. In 1987, when Fianna Fáil got back into Government, we were facing massive unemployment, high inflation, high taxation and a massive budget deficit.

And little did we know that billions in taxes were being avoided in accounts in the Isle of Man and the Minister—

Acting Chairman

Deputy Kelleher, without interruption.

But they were with the Progressive Democrats then.

In recent years Fianna Fáil has made great strides to curb borrowing, ensure proper fiscal management—

Little did we know that the then Taoiseach, Charles Haughey, wanted hair-shirts for the people but not for himself.

—curtail public spending and bring about the important factor of social partnership which some parties opposite opposed at the time.

He had Charvet shirts while the people got the hair-shirts.

Social partnership is now a central plank of our modern society, with no industrial unrest. We are looking after—

If there is social partnership why did you reduce the entitlements of people on social welfare?

I am sure we will have that debate on Committee Stage of the Social Welfare Bill when we will listen to the Deputy.

That was a breach of the social partnership contract.

I would point out to Deputy Burton that as a person who left school in 1985, I can remember the extent of Labour Party policy which drove hundreds of thousands of young people away from these shores because of high taxation and massive borrowing. The Govern ment of 1983-87 was irresponsible, and that is something you will live to regret.

Acting Chairman

Deputy Kelleher, please address your comments through the Chair.

It is nice to see Democratic Left defending the Labour Party.

What about the 22 hospitals the Deputy's party closed?

And they are starting to go under this Government.

Did you buy milk quotas lately?

On the Estimates, I would like to talk about some local issues for a change.

Talk about the cuts to the regional airports.

Deputy Lynch reminded me that we have now committed €140 million to the development of Cork Airport. I remind Deputy Lynch that Cork Airport is not a regional airport. It will be a stand alone airport which will grow and prosper—

It will stand alone all right.

—under the new arrangement, with a brand new terminal which everybody in Cork welcomes, bar as usual the Labour Party which opposes any efforts to restructure Aer Rianta to ensure that Cork Airport can prosper under its own—

Even the Minister of State, Deputy McDaid, is laughing at that.

Acting Chairman

I remind Deputies that every person is entitled to speak without interruption. We will afford the same courtesy to everyone. Allow the Deputy to continue without interruption.

The Deputy accused Deputy Kelleher of telling lies. That is wrong and you, Chair, should ask him to withdraw that.

The Deputy should not bully the Chair.

Acting Chairman

I did not hear any such comment.

The Deputy should keep taking the tablets.

Deputy Rabbitte outlined many of the significant increases, such as €10.6 billion for social welfare, €9.5 billion for health, €6.1 billion for education and €8.7 billion for other services. One could argue that there has been a significant increase in public expenditure.

The Deputy must be talking about the horse racing industry.

The predicted inflation rates last year were considerably higher. There will be major increases in public expenditure across the board. I am sure that with proper prudent fiscal management and low taxation, this economy will continue to create jobs and will continue to blossom.

It is time to tighten the belts again.

The public appreciates that we have the lowest unemployment rate in Europe and the economy is continually growing. We had 3% growth this year despite the worldwide recession, the war in Iraq and the events of 11 September.

Poverty is growing.

I remind the Labour Party about that, if it listens to me. However, it has decided to put its head in the sand again. Perhaps we could negotiate the Stability and Growth Pact in terms of public private partnerships and EUROSTAT. Ireland's growth, which started from a low base, is handicapped as a result of that.

The Minster says he is happy with the Stability and Growth Pact. The Taoiseach is not happy with it, but the Minister is not listening to him.

The Minister should allow the information, technology and communications building proposed for UCC to proceed. It would be advantageous to the Cork region and to UCC. I know commitments have been made by private individuals and that one donor has committed up to €7 million. UCC would also be able to provide €30 million of its own resources to fund this project. The information, technology and communications building would be a great asset to UCC. I urge the Minister to proceed with that project.

As regards public private partnerships, the Cork School of Music is an issue which must be addressed and I urge the Minister to progress that issue.

That is sad. Can the Deputy explain how a €13 million project ended up costing more than €100 million? Can the Government control anything?

Is the Deputy against the project? I would like Deputy Burton to put on the record whether the Labour Party opposes the Cork School of Music project. That is news to me because Deputy Lynch says she supports it. It seems you now oppose the project.

Acting Chairman

The Deputy should address his remarks through the Chair.

Labour Party support means little. The Deputy's party is in government so it should do something about it.

I thank Deputy Burton for clarifying Labour Party policy on the Cork School of Music. I can now tell the people of Cork that the Labour Party opposes this project.

They will be delighted to hear from the Deputy.

As regards Churchfield swimming pool, I welcome the announcement by the Minister of €3.5 million to progress this project. Cork City Council will be allowed to borrow the remainder of the money to ensure the project is completed on time.

I welcome the announcement by the Minister for Transport, Deputy Brennan, this morning that in excess of €2 billion will be provided. In my wildest dreams I did not expect—

The Deputy did not expect these cuts.

—that from any Government, even those before the Deputy's time. Many decent people have represented his county. I did not think the Deputy from Kildare would agree with me.

We will send for Senator O'Rourke if the Deputy is not careful.

We have the investment for the motorway from Kilcock to Kinnegad. There are also compulsory purchase orders in place for land from Kinnegad to Athlone. Loughrea, which is one of the biggest bottlenecks in the country, is also included. We must welcome this morning's announcement of money. I did not think we would see modern technology, such as broadband, in Mullingar and Athlone. That will be connected in some areas before Christmas. I did not think – I am sure Deputy Penrose agrees – that the gas line would also be connected to these major towns.

The Deputy is a gas man.

I did not think I would see such significant infrastructural investment in my county. I did not think we would get €218 million for sewerage and water schemes in every town and village in my county.

The Deputy is delirious.

I know the Acting Chairman is also a new Deputy. What matters is what we can do for the people.

What did the former Minister do for her county?

Senator O'Rourke is a great woman.

Acting Chairman

Allow the Deputy to speak without interruption.

I welcome the provision of €218 million for sewerage and water schemes.

In the past our fathers and businesses worked to pay interest to the banks.

What about mothers?

We worked all over lives to do that. I welcome the current level playing pitch and the fact that we have the lowest interest rates in 40 or 45 years. We have the lowest inflation in years and the lowest levels of income tax in Europe.

We have the lowest wages.

If we provide the infrastructure and create the opportunities, the private sector will do the rest.

The Deputy will be in the Seanad the next time.

I wish to share my time with Deputies Finian McGrath and Sargent.

Acting Chairman

Is that agreed? Agreed.

Since the Fianna Fáil-Progressive Democrats coalition was elected in 1997 relative income poverty in Ireland has steadily increased. People living on under half the average income are defined as living in poverty. Last year almost 6,000 people died as a direct result of poverty, according to Dr. Jane Wilde of the Institute of Public Health. In 1997 18.1% of the population was below the poverty line and that had risen to 20.9% by 2000. Government policy has increased inequality in our society. These numbers are higher among some of the more vulnerable groups. Poverty in the over 65 age group is at 35.9%, while it is 24.9% for children. That means 300,000 children go to school cold and hungry.

Poverty is a life-long prison sentence for a significant proportion of society. It is alarming that the increase in poverty is happening against a backdrop of an economic boom and historically low unemployment. The inescapable analysis is that there is a growing number of working people who are poor in this country. They will be the hardest hit by these Estimates. International research and policy intervention shows that low rates of child poverty are associated with high levels of social expenditure. Unsurprisingly, therefore, this State has the lowest spend on social services in Europe. Sinn Féin believes that tackling poverty, particularly child poverty, should be the top priority in this year's budget. That will necessitate a redistributed budget which uses the wealth created in our society as a means of tack ling poverty and social exclusion. That means taxing the super rich and the elite in our society.

The Book of Estimates published last week dramatically exposed the inequity in our society, which is sustained by the policy not only of this Government but of successive Governments. Much criticism has been rightly levelled at the Government by the Opposition over its generous disposition to the bloodstock industry. I do not have a problem with promoting our bloodstock industry and providing assistance to those who genuinely need it, but it is a cash rich industry. How can the Government justify its extravagant expenditure on this industry, while cutting crucial provisions in social welfare, such as the rent supplement? We heard this week that one leading figure in the industry is preparing to splash out more than €500,000 on a car. We also had the spectacle of Sir Alex Ferguson coming to town to engage in a legal battle over multi-million pound stud fees in which he is the main protagonist.

The Deputy's party owns more property in this country than any other party.

We are talking about millions of pounds of tax for one horse. That is typical of the Government. It will not tax these people.

The Deputy should declare the amount of property his party owns.

The same people are involved in Ansbacher and they appeared before the Moriarty tribunal.

The Deputy's party is the wealthiest in the country.

Nothing has changed under the Government.

Acting Chairman

The Minister of State should allow the Deputy to speak without interruption.

The Deputy's party owns property all over the country, such as hotels, pubs, etc.

The Government has not learned anything, but it will learn its lesson at the next election.

Debate adjourned.
Sitting suspended at 1.30 p.m. and resumed at 2.30 p.m.
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