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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 11 May 2004

Vol. 585 No. 2

Schools Building Projects.

Tá traidisiún na Gaeilge agus na teanga labhartha go láidir i dTiobraid Árann thuaidh. Tá Gaelscoil bhreá nua againn in Aonach Urmhumhan, mo bhaile féin, ach anocht, cuirim an bhéim ar Ghaelscoil Bhríde i nDurlas Éile.

I am glad of the opportunity to raise this pressing issue regarding Gaelscoil Bhríde in Thurles. The school was founded in 1990 with six pupils. Current enrolment is 199 pupils. In September 2004, there will be 203 pupils, in September 2005, 211 pupils, and in September 2006, 217 pupils. These figures have been approved by the inspector.

Gaelscoil Bhríde is highly regarded in the town of Thurles. It provides co-educational facilities, is all-inclusive and serves the growing population of Thurles town, which is approximately 9,000, and the hinterland of Thurles. Currently, the school comprises six classrooms which are either at or below the minimum recommended space of 16 sq. ft. per pupil under the 1965 Department of Education and Science rules for national schools. There is no hard surface in the area in which the school is located, so it is not possible for children to play ball, which is a tremendous disadvantage.

The school has eight full-time teachers, one resource teacher, one learning support teacher and the príomh-oide. These are all catered for under one roof in an old building dating back 140 years. They work in accommodation kindly provided by a local family at a reasonable rent. This kind gesture of the landlord is indicative of the support in the community of Thurles. Nevertheless, the accommodation is inadequate for the growing numbers who wish to attend Gaelscoil Bhríde.

Before 1999, a 3.9 acre site was bought by the Office of Public Works at Ardnacroise in Thurles for Gaelscoil Bhríde. Planning was applied for, but it was refused. It was also refused on appeal because of the poor entrance to this site. Architects were involved at the time and attempts to move on failed because of the poor entrance to this site at Ardnacroise. That site was, however, zoned educational. On 19 May 1999, the management of Gaelscoil Bhríde received a letter from the Department which consoled the parents and teachers. It stated that should there be any delay in the progress of the project because of technical difficulties outside the Department's control, the project would not lose its place in the priority listings.

In December 2003, with the great assistance of the Minister, Deputy Noel Dempsey, a four acre site was bought by the OPW with his approval. Gaelscoil Bhríde hoped its plans for its growing school would move ahead. I was happy with this announcement because I had continued communication with the Minister and the board of management of the school. The application approved would have been for the eight classroom school and ancillary works for which the site at Ardnacroise was originally bought. A four acre site, however, has now been secured.

To my knowledge, the schools building programme fails to list Gaelscoil Bhríde. This school is very pressed for space. A new site has been bought and there is no apparent plan in print at present despite the commitment given in the 19 May 1999 letter from the Department that should any difficulties arise, it would not lose its place on the building list. That is why I raise this issue.

My correspondence, together with that of the dedicated principal of the school, indicates clearly that Gaelscoil Bhríde is anxious to engage in public private partnership should the Minister approve it in his summer reappraisal of the building programme. I call on the Minister to sell the site which was deemed unsuitable and which is a property of the Department to fund the construction of a new school for Gaelscoil Bhríde. Tá foirgneamh nua ag teastáil ón nGaelscoil agus iarraim ar an Aire foirgneamh nua a thabhairt duinn gan mhoill. I ask the Minister to respond to this pressing need in Thurles. He has done so before with the purchase of the site and I ask him to move it along.

I thank my colleague, Deputy Hoctor, who I know has a special interest in this case, for raising this matter on the Adjournment. It gives me the opportunity, on behalf of the Minister for Education and Science, Deputy Noel Dempsey, to outline to the House the departmental strategy for capital investment in education projects, as well as outlining the position regarding Gaelscoil Bhríde in Thurles.

Gaelscoil Bhríde is a co-educational, all-Irish, primary school with a current enrolment of 199 pupils, a staffing of a principal plus eight mainstream teachers, one shared learning support and one resource teacher. The school opened in September 1990 with an enrolment of 25 pupils. The Department of Education and Science granted provisional recognition to the school in July 1991 and permanent recognition was granted in August 1993.

The school operates in rented accommodation which is grant-aided by the Department at a rate of 95%. Enrolments at the school have continued to grow steadily since it opened. The need for permanent accommodation at the school is clearly acknowledged. The Department has already agreed that, on the basis of projected enrolments, permanent accommodation should be provided in the long term for an eight-classroom school. It was also agreed that a new building should be provided.

A design team was nominated for the proposed project in 1999 and for this project to progress to architectural planning, a suitable site had to be identified and purchased. The Office of Public Works, which acts on behalf of the Department of Education and Science in site acquisitions, was asked to investigate the availability and suitability of a number of sites in the locality of the school which might prove suitable for the construction of a new school.

A number of sites were examined and a suitable site was finally identified in 2003. Final contracts for the sale were signed last September. The school site is now in the Department's ownership. The next stage will be the architectural planning and construction of the school.

The 2004 school building programme at primary and post-primary levels amounts to €387 million. The programme will deliver 200 large-scale projects, but it was not possible to include all projects in this year's programme. The proposed project at Gaelscoil Bhríde is one of a number which must be considered in the context of future capital allocation for school building.

When publishing the 2004 school building programme, the Department of Education and Science outlined that its strategy going forward would be grounded in capital investment based on multi-annual allocations. Officials from the Department are reviewing all projects which were not authorised to proceed as part of the 2004 school building programme with a view to including them as part of a multi-annual school building programme from 2005. The Department expects to be in a position to make further announcements on this matter in the course of the year. The proposed new school for Gaelscoil Bhríde will be considered in this regard.

I thank Deputy Hoctor once again for having raised this matter in the House. I assure her that it will be brought to the attention of the departmental officials involved in the school building programme. The issue will be progressed as quickly as possible.

Post Mortem Facilities.

I welcome the opportunity to speak on the provision of post mortem facilities nationally, seven days per week. In recent times, post mortem facilities have been withdrawn at weekends, first from the smaller general hospitals and now from the larger regional hospitals as well. Post mortems are needed at weekends in the case of sudden, unexplained deaths or murders. More often than not, such deaths occur as a result of car accidents or suicides, causing trauma in the homes of bereaved families.

If, for example, someone dies as a result of an accident on a Friday evening, Saturday night or Sunday morning, the post mortem will be delayed. Some hospitals can undertake post mortems on Mondays, but some large hospitals cannot do them on the first working day after the weekend. Road accidents account for some 450 deaths annually, with quite a large proportion of them occurring at weekends. Young people are dying in these traumatic circumstances and, in addition, more than 450 suicides happen every year. Such deaths cause trauma for the bereaved families. If such deaths take place on bank holiday weekends, for example, the post mortem may be delayed for some days.

Parents may be faced with taking the decision to switch off a life-support machine, which is a highly charged emotional situation for the next of kin. Such circumstances add to the trauma a family must suffer following the loss of a loved one. People find it difficult to accept that their relative is lying in hospital awaiting a post mortem. It may be part of our culture but people seem to prefer to keep the deceased at home, which can help with the grieving process.

Young people dying unexpectedly in accidents will be grieved by their parents, brothers and sisters and, in some cases, they may have had children of their own. There is a sense of community grieving in cases involving sudden death, and so people wish to convey their sympathy when calling at the family home. They like to be able to see the body and it can help younger people to come to terms with their loss. Traditionally, wakes have been held in homes as a mark of respect to the deceased, and they can assist the grieving process. It is part of our culture which differs from that of our European neighbours. In some European countries, bodies are buried as soon as possible after death, while in others people think nothing of storing bodies in refrigerated facilities. Cultures vary, but we should respect and maintain ours which gives dignity to such sad occasions.

I never saw any decision being taken to withdraw post mortem facilities at weekends, yet, regrettably, it has happened. This is because the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform is not making sufficient funding available for pathologists to be on-call at weekends. The fee for carrying out a post mortem at weekends is approximately €127, so it is a financial issue. Perhaps the authorities do not want post mortems to be carried out at weekends, but the matter should be examined.

Normally, when a death occurs, the emergency is over. The exceptions include murder or an unexplained set of circumstances causing death. In such cases, evidence is preserved. Generally, suicides and fatal car crashes are not regarded as emergencies warranting post mortems at weekends, but compassion should be shown in such situations.

The Minister for Health and Children should reinstate post mortem facilities at Monaghan General Hospital. The facilities were removed on health and safety grounds, and the same will happen in other hospitals. The Department's idea seems to be to transport bodies so that post mortems are undertaken at a different venue, but this can leave a family with the additional trauma of having to recuperate a body from another location.

The inquest system has not been reviewed since the middle of the 19th century. Inquests should be dealt with in a swifter and more practical manner. These matters should be taken into consideration.

I thank Deputy Connolly for raising this issue on the Adjournment. I note he said that he was not aware of a case that was affected by such an issue, and he went on to talk in general terms.

I am aware of quite a number of such issues and I apologise if I did not give that impression.

I understood the Deputy said that he was not so aware. I wish to respond positively to the Deputy's remarks, with the deepest compassion and understanding of the issues involved.

When people are notified of the sudden death of a loved one, the circumstances are traumatic. It is painful for them to have to wait a number of days for a post mortem to be held so that the grieving process can begin in the fashion the Deputy has outlined.

A post mortem is a procedure carried out to establish the cause of death in cases where the cause is not immediately certain. There are two categories of post mortem performed in this jurisdiction, a post mortem carried out under the Coroners Act 1962 and a post mortem carried out with the consent of the next of kin of a deceased at the request of an attending doctor.

Post mortems are performed under the Coroners Act in circumstances of sudden, unexplained, violent and unnatural death where there is a legal responsibility on the doctor, registrar of deaths, funeral undertaker, householder and every person in charge of any institution in which the deceased person was residing at the time of his or her death to report such a death to the coroner or, in some cases, the State Pathologist. Responsibility for funding and administering the coroners service falls to each local authority. However, the major acute hospitals make their facilities available to local authorities to perform post mortems which are to be conducted under the Act.

The second category of post mortem is carried out by an attending doctor to gain more information about a death, and is only performed with the consent of the next of kin.

Facilities to conduct post mortems are located in the major acute hospitals throughout the country. The availability of these facilities varies across the hospital system. In some instances they are open on a seven day basis and in others on a five day basis. I am not aware of any case where a difficulty has arisen, but if the Deputy has a specific example where he would welcome improvement in the facilities and services currently available, my Department will be happy to look into the matter.

The Dáil adjourned at 9.15 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Wednesday, 12 May 2004.
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