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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 2 Jun 2004

Vol. 586 No. 6

Private Members’ Business.

Rural Development: Motion (Resumed).

The following motion was moved by Deputy Ó Caoláin on Tuesday, 1 June 2004:
That Dáil Éireann notes the failure of the current Government to fulfil the commitments made in the White Paper on Rural Development:
—to maintain vibrant sustainable rural communities;
—to ensure sufficient employment and income opportunities;
—to improve access to education and training;
—to encourage participation in the decision-making process;
—to ensure gender balance on rural development bodies such as Leader and CLÁR;
—to provide adequate housing and to address the problem of planning permission;
—to promote all-Ireland integration and co-operation;
—to ensure balanced regional development;
—to maintain public services;
—to provide adequate health care provision;
—to provide broadband communications for all parts of the State;
—to ensure the safety of people living in rural communities by providing adequate levels of policing; and
that these failures require a radical new approach to the question of rural development on the whole island of Ireland that will guarantee an equal level of provision of public services for all citizens and will ensure that there is real decentralisation of both the public and private sectors and that local and regional authorities with community representatives are given a greater say in the manner in which local programmes are administered.
Debate resumed on amendment No. 1:
To delete all words after "Dáil Éireann" and substitute the following:
"notes the commitment of the Government to the development of rural Ireland through implementation of the White Paper on Rural Development and in particular through key initiatives to enhance services, infrastructure and employment in rural areas by:
—the setting up of a separate Department with special responsibility for rural development, island and Gaeltacht regions;
—the launch of a major programme of decentralisation, designed to bring public services and employment closer to communities across the country;
—the record investment in non-national roads, the arteries of local communities, by the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, and through the ‘CLÁR' programme;
—the publication of the National Spatial Strategy with its particular emphasis on rural development and rural planning;
—the publication of the draft rural housing guidelines;
—the setting up of the CLÁR programme with a wide range of actions to tackle the problems of rural disadvantage and depopulation;
—the setting up of the Rural Social Scheme to provide employment to underemployed farmers and services in rural areas;
—the setting up of Comhairle na Tuaithe to deal with the issue of sustainable development of the recreational amenities of the countryside;
—the continued commitment to both Leader+ and Leader national programme;
—the progress being made towards achieving 40% female representation on Leader boards by the programmes conclusion in 2006;
—the record investment by this Government in rural water and sewerage services, and through the CLÁR programme;
—the commissioning by the Government of a rural enterprise review;
—the continued support for the Western Development Commission and Údarás na Gaeltachta;
—the record investment in educational facilities and personnel in rural Ireland by the Department of Education and Science and through the CLÁR programme;
—the provision of a second teacher in all primary schools with more than 12 pupils;
—the regular consultation with farm bodies and rural organisations, particularly through the National Rural Development Forum;
—the continued efforts by the Government to foster All-Ireland co-operation in the absence of a functioning devolved executive in Northern Ireland;
—the provision of improved public transport services to rural Ireland through the rural transport initiative and improved island, air and boat services;
—the record investment in health services in rural Ireland by the Department of Health and Children and through the CLÁR programme;
—he provision of broadband services through a broad range of measures taken by the Department of Communications, Marine and Natural Resources and under the CLÁR programme;
and that these measures demonstrate that this Government has committed itself totally to ensuring a better quality of life for all people in rural Ireland and will continue to do so co-ordinated by the Department of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs, the first dedicated Department of Rural Development in the European Union."
—(Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs).

I am delighted to speak on this motion and to compliment the Minister on a job well done since he came to office. Ireland is the only country in the EU to have a Minister and a Department specially for community and rural affairs. This shows how serious the Government is in its commitment to rural communities. The Minister has proved his commitment to these communities and to marginalised communities that heretofore did not have the resources to do things for themselves.

I represent a constituency in Mayo on the western seaboard that is far removed from Dublin where the major decisions are made. In recent years I have seen the benefit of the CLÁR programme which has helped many communities in Mayo to help themselves. CLÁR was set up to help those communities that had been ravaged by emigration and other factors so that its population had fallen by more than 50% since the turn of the 20th century. Through the injection of capital, the CLÁR programme has helped in such areas as roads, water schemes, small sewerage schemes and health centres.

I recently had the pleasure to accompany the Minister to Clare Island and Inisturk off the Mayo coast and to witness the great satisfaction people had in their new water supply schemes. They also pointed to the improvements in the roads and the new piers to be built on both islands. A new health centre was opened that day in Inisturk at a cost of €380,000. The services included a public health nurse, GP services, speech and language therapy and others. I also compliment Mayo County Council for its input and on working closely with the Minister and his Department to have the schemes developed.

The Government's commitment to rural Ireland is real and the icing on the cake is the transfer of the Minister's Department to Knock Airport, which Fianna Fáil built in the 1980s, under the decentralisation programme. The top-up of grants from the CLÁR programme has helped enormously. The airport is now doing very well and is set to do better. It is a vital piece of infrastructure for Mayo and the Government will do everything possible in further development. The transfer of the Department to Knock will revitalise towns such as Charlestown, Swinford, Kilkelly and Kiltimagh and the other small towns of east and south Mayo. The decentralisation programme will bring a huge boost to Claremorris, when 150 jobs from the Office of Public Works are relocated there. This is a huge commitment to a rural county. There will be 290 real jobs in the area and a spin-off from those transferring there.

This will benefit the GAA and soccer clubs as well as our small schools. Small businesses will also benefit. The sporting clubs that received allocations from Lotto funding are now set to get a top-up of 20% from the CLÁR programme. That is worth about €170,000 extra for Mayo this year. There is not a town or village, from Charlestown to Blacksod, from Ballycastle to Shrule, that has not benefited from the programme. This is real and practical help to complete projects that people have initiated themselves.

The rural social scheme initiated by the Minister is now ready and there are many aspects to it that will further enhance rural towns and villages. The aims of the scheme are to provide income support for farmers and fishermen who are currently in receipt of long-term social welfare payments, and to provide certain services of benefit to rural communities. This scheme will allow those low-income farmers and fishermen who are unable to earn an adequate living from their small farm holding or fishing to earn a supplementary income. The intention of the rural social scheme is that all of the work undertaken will be beneficial to the local community.

The type of project carried out under this scheme is likely to include maintaining and enhancing marked ways, agreed walks and bog roads, energy conservation work for the elderly and less well-off, village and countryside enhancement projects, social care and care of the elderly, community care for pre-school and after school groups, environmental maintenance work, maintenance and caretaking of community and sporting facilities, projects relating to not-for-profit cultural and heritage centres, and any other appropriate community project identified during the course of the scheme. The work will last 19.5 hours per week and these hours will be based on a farmer and fisherman-friendly schedule.

There will be great benefits brought to the communities. They will provide additional resources to maintain and improve local amenities and facilities in rural communities. Communities will benefit from the skills and talents of local farmers and fishermen. Participants will experience opportunities to improve existing skills or develop new skills, and perform work in the community. Additional FÁS places will become available as farmers and fishermen transfer from CE to rural social schemes. I compliment the Minister on the job he has done so well and I hope he continues with it.

I welcome the opportunity to speak on this debate. I compliment the Minister because no Government has done as much for rural Ireland as this Government has done in recent years. There have been initiatives such as the CLÁR programme and the rural housing guidelines and decentralisation. There has been a major change of heart to bring funds to the less developed areas that have lost large chunks of population through rural decline. For a long time we had witnessed parishes losing people yet now we look around and all we see is development and this has to be welcomed. It is a long way from the 1980s when we were shipping people out of the country. Now we are bringing them in. Long may that continue and I compliment the Minister on his understanding of rural issues.

I wish to raise a serious issue that has developed in the area of the Cork-Kerry-Limerick border over the past few days, namely, the decision by An Bord Pleanála to refuse planning permission for a wind farm at Knockacummer, Meelin, County Cork. This project was turned down by An Bord Pleanála because it is in a special area of conservation for the hen harrier, an issue that arose approximately 18 months ago. Cork County Council granted permission for the project in its report, clearly stating it had no objection to it. The Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government said it had no objection to the proposed development. An Bord Pleanála, which I accept is an independent body, appears to have gone against the direct policy of the Government and the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government.

That is a serious issue because Governments are elected to govern. They are appointed by the people in general elections and by the Dáil. The policy of the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government is that it had no objection to the proposed development yet An Bord Pleanála turned it down. This development had major economic implications for a rural area with mountain terrain which is very dependent on forestry and on this development going ahead. It will have a knock-on effect in regard to other developments in the area.

Perhaps this is an issue the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government should clarify but my point is that throughout the country, An Bord Pleanála is making decisions and it is answerable to nobody. It is time that bodies making decisions of this magnitude are made answerable to the people. I cited the observation of the Department yet An Bord Pleanála appears to have gone against the Department's policy, and that is a serious issue for democracy.

I am grateful for the opportunity to contribute to this debate. I compliment the Minister and his Department on the work they are doing in regard to rural Ireland and their grasp of the issues. I wish the Minister well in the continuation of his work.

It is a pity we do not have more time to speak on this motion because there is much more we could say about it. A motion criticising the Minister directly or indirectly is totally unwarranted because in his Ministry he has proved that he is dealing with the problems of people in rural Ireland. I am concerned that some people may now believe that rural Ireland is progressing too fast for their liking. That is something that annoys me.

I want to make two or three points, the first of which concerns CLÁR funding. We have all seen the benefits of CLÁR funding in that third class rural roads are now getting funding. That is a positive development for the people in rural Ireland who have to use those roads, and the Minister is to be complimented on that aspect.

The top-ups from CLÁR with regard to roads and local improvement schemes and, this week, sports projects, are of enormous benefit to the communities of rural Ireland. They are giving them the incentive and the funding to ensure that local communities remain vibrant and active in the provision of facilities in the area.

Decentralisation is mentioned in the motion. We are now seeing people objecting to decentralisation on the basis that certain areas of rural Ireland should not be involved. That is totally wrong. It is not right that some Members make one comment here but then say the direct opposite in their constituencies and criticise the Government for not having done more regarding decentralisation.

This Government has taken the decisions on decentralisation and it will implement them. Those who are affected will find that their quality of life and standard of living will be much improved by moving to rural Ireland than it is currently in Dublin. They will not face hours driving to and from work or the other social problems that exist in this city. They will have an opportunity to rear their families in the country, have a good education service and all the facilities of rural Ireland available to them within a few miles.

Motions such as this, which try to embarrass Ministers, do not serve any useful purpose with regard to the workings of this House. It is more important that we come in here with constructive, not destructive, motions such as this one.

This motion was tabled to criticise many of the major initiatives that have been successful in rural Ireland. It criticises rural development bodies such as Leader but Leader has done a tremendous job. Those who act on Leader boards give tremendous service to their communities. Through the Leader programme the Minister has made funding available to many groups throughout the country for industrial projects. I refer in particular to funding recently given through Leader to a project in Drumshanbo, County Leitrim, which made the difference between the project succeeding and not succeeding. In many cases people do not realise that we do not have enough intervention by Ministers with regard to the disbursement of funds. I say that without fear of anyone saying to me that Ministers should not have the power to disburse funds.

Governments are elected to run the country and Ministers should have much more latitude with regard to how they spend money. They are answerable to this House in terms of the spending of that money and in all my years here I have not yet seen any Minister challenged on spending money in rural Ireland. We have had criticism on occasions that there has not been enough direct intervention.

I compliment the Minister on the initiative he took with regard to rural housing. That is the most beneficial decision taken by this Government as far as the development of rural Ireland is concerned. Long may the Minister continue the policy he has started to implement.

I welcome the opportunity to speak on this motion but, unfortunately, we do not have enough time to make our contributions. The Opposition motion lacks any substance. I commend the Minister on the strong amendment he put before the House which outlines in some detail the new vibrancy in rural Ireland and the programmes he has introduced.

I compliment the Minister on introducing the CLÁR programme which has been the catalyst for many projects in the less developed parts of rural Ireland. The CLÁR funding allocated for the upgrading and rebuilding of class 3 roads is of particular importance to rural communities. Since 1997, Government policy has been about investing in rural Ireland and as I have said in this House on many occasions, the initiative to provide water and sewerage schemes in our smaller towns and villages has paid great dividends. It has ensured that those towns now have the capacity for housing programmes and local authorities throughout the country are now in a position to provide public housing schemes in smaller town and villages, thus ensuring that the less populated parishes now have a growing population which is of critical importance in ensuring communities remain vibrant.

Any party that tables a motion of the type before the House must have no idea of what is happening in rural Ireland. Anybody who travels throughout the country will be aware of the vibrancy in rural Ireland. There are townlands populated today that did not have people living in them for many decades. There are job opportunities throughout the country. The road network has been rebuilt. Houses are being built in huge numbers in every parish in every county, and it ill behoves any Opposition party or Deputy to put down a motion which lacks substance.

The Minister has been innovative in his Department. He has brought forward schemes and addressed the lacunae with regard to many schemes as they applied to rural Ireland, and particularly to rural development. We have been fortunate in the Border counties because with some of the cross-Border funding available we have been able to develop enterprise centres. The Minister is anxious to build on that development to ensure that workspace is provided in our smaller towns and villages to act as a catalyst for further job creation. I hope the Minister will be able to expand the present limited scheme to provide a greater network of enterprise centres throughout all of our smaller towns and villages.

I am glad to have this opportunity to commend the Minister on his work. The people of rural Ireland, who live in the real world, know the value of the schemes and investment being brought to our rural communities through the work of his Department, through his innovation and through the work of all our Ministers.

Tá áthas orm glacadh leis an tseans seo labhairt faoin obair íontach atá déanta agus atá á déanamh fós ag an Aire. It is a privilege and pleasure to thank the Minister and to congratulate him on the wonderful work he has done to revitalise and sustain rural life. Many of his initiatives are inspirational, innovative and too numerous to mention. I have a list of approximately 15 initiatives but I will speak about just a few.

The publication of the draft rural guidelines for housing recognised the need and right of people to live in rural Ireland. At a time when others might have sought to urbanise the countryside, the Minister's inspiration has facilitated planning. Those of us who come from rural Ireland and live there, as I do, are familiar with the planning difficulties experienced prior to his initiative. The rural social scheme provides employment for farmers who were under-employed or were finding difficulty sustaining their livelihood. The Minister has demonstrated his commitment to Leader and CLÁR. The Government has made record investment in sewerage services, roads and infrastructure, generally. One could go on.

Schools with more than 12 pupils have been given a second teacher. Life in rural Ireland has always centred around the village school. Many Governments would have allowed schools with fewer than 12 pupils to be forgotten about but this Government has invested heavily in education. In my own county of Wexford, approximately €20 million will be spent on school buildings this year. In 1997, the previous Government spent a little more than that on all the 26 counties of Ireland. This year's investment is a record. Rural schools deserve that investment and they have been given it. Between 1998 and 2004, approximately €2 billion has been spent on schools and on education. We now have an educated populace who are able to travel the world and to take up employment in any part of it. I was among the first in my home place to go to second level school. It is a different story today when young people travel to schools in their thousands.

The problems now experienced by rural Ireland are those associated with the success of the initiatives fostered by Éamon Ó Cuív agus ag an Rialtas féin. We see huge pressure of overcrowding in primary and second level schools because more people are living in rural Ireland than ever before. It is important that we continue to address this problem and to invest large sums of money in education. It is vital that these initiatives continue.

The success of rural Ireland has always been tied to people's emotional belief in living in the best place possible. Members may be aware of my affiliation with the GAA. I am proud of the fact that rural clubs compete at the highest level and have managed to take all-Ireland titles in the club championship. This is symptomatic of our emotional pride, which the Minister has nurtured through his various initiatives.

Many years of under-investment in schools is being tackled. The small schools initiative, which allows the building of 20 extra rural schools under the auspices of boards of management, has been extended to allow for the building of 50 schools.

D'fhéadfainn mórán eile a rá faoi thoradh oibre an Aire. Tá áthas orm go bhfuil an t-Aire ann agus gur fada go raibh sé ann.

I am pleased to have the opportunity to address this motion and to compliment the Minister on his extraordinary positive input into rural Ireland, the west and, particularly, my county of Roscommon.

Deputy Ó Cuív is the first Minister for many decades to have felt the pulse of rural Ireland and to have applied the medicine. His tenure in office has been an outstanding success. Every village and community in rural Ireland has benefited from the initiatives brought forward by him. These include public water supply, small sewerage schemes, roads and local improvement schemes, CLÁR funding, top-up sports grants and the decentralisation of Departments to county towns. My county town of Roscommon is to benefit from the presence of 230 civil servants when the land registry section of the Department is located there. Under the Minister, Leader has been reformed and has been a success. I invite Deputies to take a trip this summer to visit the Arigna Mining Experience and to see what has been done in an area which was depressed due to the closure of the mine. Thousands of people now come every year to visit the Arigna Mining Experience. That would not have been possible without the rural initiative measure and Leader funding provided though the Minister's Department.

In years to come, people will talk about the Minister for his stand on rural housing and planning against those who had other interests. He was the first to stand and be counted on this important issue. I am glad that a subsequent ministerial decision by the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government is implementing the stand taken by the Minister, Deputy Ó Cuív. He is also respected by the farming community for his introduction of the rural social scheme, which gives dignity to those who cannot make a living from their family farms. Those farmers will now have an opportunity to complement their incomes from farming in a way which gives them dignity. The Minister is being complimented throughout the country but particularly in rural areas.

The motion is a cheap political shot which has no basis in fact or substance. The like of it should never have been placed on the Order Paper of Dáil Éireann. The Minister is identified with rural renewal and development, and the people respect him for what he has done.

I am delighted to say a few words on rural development. No Government has done more for rural development than the present Government. It has set up a Department with special responsibility for rural development, islands and Gaeltacht affairs. The Minister, Deputy Ó Cuív, has worked hard at this Ministry to ensure that rural development gets the recognition it deserves.

Great work is being done under the CLÁR programme in rural areas where populations have declined. Projects such as rural roads, water schemes and communities in general have benefited under that programme. The recent announcement by the Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs, Deputy Ó Cuív, of the establishment of the rural social scheme will be of great assistance to small farmers who cannot earn an income from farming alone. It will also enhance villages and communities through the work undertaken by those involved. Unlike the community employment scheme, there is no three-year cap on participants. All that is required is that such people be in receipt of social welfare and have a herd number.

Rural planning is another area for which the Government has introduced guidelines. I welcome the guidelines regarding once-off housing in rural areas. The current trend is to refuse locals planning permission to build in their own area. Under the new guidelines proposed by the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, Deputy Cullen, and the Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs, Deputy Ó Cuív, all farmers and families of landowners will be permitted to build on family lands. In addition, local people, those working in the area and returned emigrants will obtain planning permission to build in their area.

It is proposed to build settlement areas around villages in rural Ireland. All of these proposals will ensure the viability of local schools and communities. It will be necessary to provide water and sewerage schemes in these rural villages if these plans are to work and this work will be done. The Government proposals on decentralisation will bring life to rural communities. Many civil servants will avail of the wonderful quality of life in rural Ireland. The proposal to develop the western rail corridor is another boost to rural communities in this area. People will be able to live in rural Ireland and commute to urban areas to work by way of fast commuter trains, thereby avoiding all traffic. Thanks to this Government and in particular the Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs, people in rural Ireland can look forward to better services and better rural communities.

Ba mhaith liom mo chuid ama a roinnt leis an Teachta Upton.

Tá áthas orm labhairt sa díospóireacht seo ar an tuath agus ar chursaí forbartha tuaithe, ábhar atá thar a bheith tábhachtach na laethanta seo. Tá a lán le déanamh chun deimhin a dhéanamh de go mbeidh saol na tuaithe ag dul ar aghaidh go maith ins na laethanta atá amach romhainn. I wish to focus on a number of issues which present a real threat to rural communities in Ireland, namely, the ongoing threat to postal services across the country, the inadequate roll-out of broadband to the regions and the lack of a synchronised transport system.

Rural communities are threatened by ongoing uncertainty surrounding the future of postal services in Ireland. The Government is content to let An Post go to ruin to the extent it will claim it had little option but to sell it off to the highest bidder. The current situation at An Post is nothing less than a disgrace. The company is haemorrhaging jobs at an unprecedented rate yet the Minister for Communications, Marine and Natural Resources, Deputy Dermot Ahern, refuses to intervene to restructure the company and secure its future.

The public's automatic right to send and receive mail by post is under threat. If we continue on the present ruinous path, deregulation will be forced upon us by a Government which will claim it as the only way to secure the future of An Post. It will allow large companies from Europe and beyond to come in and cherry-pick the best of An Post's services leaving the next day delivery and other day-to-day delivery services languishing to the detriment of the overwhelming majority of Irish people who rely on these services. Standard deliveries to rural areas are already completely unreliable. An Post has been bedevilled by a series of industrial disputes that have yet to be satisfactorily unresolved. The threat of future strike action is omnipresent.

Meanwhile, rural post offices are closing at an alarming rate. People living in these areas are dependent on the post office for collection of their social welfare or pension payments. For most of them, the only place they can receive their payments is the post office. Transferring these facilities to an alternative post office may be acceptable in large cities but it is not acceptable in rural areas. The nearest post office may be miles away in the next village, town, or in some cases, the next island. The privatisation of postal services must be opposed as it will be bad for the general user. It is obvious the postal services on which private operators will have their eye are those on which excessive charges can be levied and from which money is to be made.

Who will take care of the pensioner living in an isolated area who relies on the weekly trip to the local post office to draw his or her pension? With deregulation of the postal service will come open competition. Currently good business in urban areas is subsidising services in rural and more isolated areas. When deregulation is introduced, the big players will take away the best business and the subsidisation of the next-day service will no longer exist. I fear for what that will do to rural areas. We have no idea how long it will take items of post to move in and out of rural areas.

As post offices around the country close, elderly members of our community and people with disabilities will find it difficult to collect their pensions and payments, resulting in a significant number of them becoming isolated. Nothing destroys a community more than isolation. For many, the weekly trip to the post office is a social lifeline and we should do all in our power to retain it. Many people are so far removed from public transport they are forced to depend on help from neighbours or are forced to pay for taxis to bring them to collect their pension or payments. We should be looking at ways to counteract this. One way of doing so is through the synchronisation of transport in rural areas so people are able to get to their post office.

We should also consider the introduction of extra transport facilities on payment days. This situation presents a real difficulty for people in rural Ireland. It is obvious not enough is being done in terms of the synchronisation of transport. It is imperative that collection services be provided on the days pensions, child benefit and other social welfare payments are made. In that regard, what I have in mind is the provision of mini-buses which would collect people at a particular time, bring them to the designated office to obtain their payment, allow them sufficient time to transact their business and return them to their local area at a fixed time.

I shudder to think what will happen to many elderly people if rural post offices continue to close. Although a facility exists whereby people can appoint a particular person to collect their pension, many elderly people are extremely private about such matters. They should not be prevented from transacting their business as they wish. To prevent them doing so, takes away an element of their independence. I am not satisfied the Government is serious about tackling this issue.

It is of the utmost importance that real investment now be directed at bringing Ireland's telecommunications and broadband structures up to date. New technology means that an increasing number of people are able to work from home. Increasingly, businesses will locate in regional areas where overheads are cheaper, as long as the technological infrastructure is in place to allow them to work properly.

Eircom has conceded that 22% of households on phone lines need to be urgently upgraded for broadband. Other telecommunications experts argue this figure is closer to 40%. Ireland is already lagging behind the rest of the world. The national grid must be enhanced and upgraded as soon as possible to allow larger numbers to gain access to broadband facilities.

Significant investment of at least €1 billion is needed as soon as possible to provide the last mile to individual households. This is necessary if Ireland is to halt its faltering position in broadband and related technologies. The technological advance of broadband has the potential to change the way we live and work and to revitalise the regions. However, to reap its benefits we must invest heavily in it to bring Ireland up to the highest international standards.

Clearly, massive annual investment in the national landline network is necessary to avoid falling hopelessly behind in broadband and related technology. The fallout from the appallingly misguided privatisation of our national telecommunications backbone is continuing and the Government has continued to stand on the sidelines and allow the problem worsen.

There are many aspects of rural areas and rural life that are regrettable. Increasingly, because of the shortage of priests in the Catholic Church, for example, parishes will be without a curate. This affects many people's spiritual lives. We cannot blame the Government per se for this but I am using it as an example of how the support structures in rural areas are diminishing. People need shelter, heat, light and food. They also need to have a decent social and spiritual content to their lives. They need bread but they need roses also.

The creation of culturally vibrant communities will not happen of itself. There are remarkable communities throughout the country but they need to have the highest possible level of self-sufficiency. We must seek not only to maintain the maximum number of people in rural areas but also do everything to prevent emigration and encourage immigration.

I referred earlier to the new technologies. In the banking sector, for example, there have been various closures of smaller branches throughout the country. Basically, technology has provided people with alternatives. One can put one's card into a hole in the wall and withdraw money. There are many other technological services that allow one to pay one's bills, thus implying that technology gradually took over the role of those who worked in the small branches throughout the country.

We have had closures of small Garda barracks and schools. One indicator that really demonstrates rural decline is the inability of parishes to field teams for Gaelic games or other sports. Teams give areas a sense of identity and people take pride in the achievements of their teams. If teams can no longer be fielded, it will also result in the decline of rural areas.

However, I remain optimistic although I have certain reservations. I will always remember my grandmother, who died in the mid-1960s. When she first got a television, when RTE was set up, I remember her saying that since that old box came into the house, nobody talked. The development of multichannel and pay-for-view television has had a detrimental effect on the art of conversation in rural areas. There is a danger that a plastic-type society will develop. By this, I am implying that many youngsters spend far too much time operating computers, playing video games and watching television programmes. They are being denied the great advantage of learning by doing. They become passive in their lifestyles, which is certainly not to be welcomed.

Obviously, there is also a great need to increase the number of gardaí and improve conditions in rural areas because it is sad to have to say that rural Ireland is not as pleasant a place in which to grow old as it once was. We have not had the worst types of attacks on the elderly for some time and I hope this trend will continue. For all this, older people do not feel as secure as they felt when I was growing up and in the period immediately thereafter.

I welcome the opportunity to speak on this motion. What I consider to be the miserable attempts of the Government to portray the Labour Party as the enemy of rural areas, and the farming community in particular, are not worthy of any serious debate. Twice in the past week the spin doctors of Fianna Fáil in particular have tried to imply that the Labour Party is hostile to the farming community and rural areas. It must be emphasised, for the benefit of the Minister for Agriculture and Food, who is not present, that the Labour Party is not opposed to direct farm income support.

I was born and went to school in rural Ireland. I am as proud of my roots and as concerned for the community from which I originated as I am proud of and concerned for my constituents in Dublin South-Central. Therefore, to imply that the Labour Party is not concerned about rural Ireland and the farming community is inaccurate and misleading.

The real hostility to rural Ireland and the farming community in particular is delivered by this Government through its failure to plan, invest in research and technology and address the real needs of rural dwellers. It always capitulates to the interests of the strong and powerful and the lobby groups at the cost of those less able to fend for themselves.

Some 40% of the State's total population of almost 4 million live in rural areas. The reality, however, is that agriculture will not be sufficient to keep them on the land. The development of rural areas and the stabilisation of their populations require an extension of policies beyond agriculture towards more diversified forms of rural development. Devoting resources to improving infrastructure and providing attractive conditions in rural areas for other sectors is an imperative that has not been addressed in a structured or substantial way and certainly has not been delivered on for rural Ireland.

We must ensure that rural communities are equipped to take advantage of the opportunities afforded by the changing consumer-led landscape. Agriculture and rural development could be combined with fisheries and the environment, for example, in respect of Structural Funds, There is a need to implement targeted programme to address social exclusion, serious income problems, social and economic isolation, poor infrastructure and limited employment opportunities. The current policy does not do so.

The continuous reduction of agricultural employment may have major consequences for the viability of rural regions unless sufficient alternative jobs can be provided. It is now time to concentrate on other issues in the rural economy and, while not ignoring agriculture, to look forward and plan for enterprise development, the marketing of local or regional brands, various high-tech initiatives, e-learning links, etc. The development of successful initiatives is imperative for the future competitiveness and success of rural economies.

The Labour Party has always supported the development of alternative enterprises and the provision of technical support by way of training and advice for the production and marketing of all these services. Many farmers and other rural entrepreneurs will need to begin to consider innovative activities such as agritourism, quality production, nature and landscape management, forestry and organic farming as responses to the ongoing cost and price squeeze on production-based agriculture. The Government has failed to plan and introduce the structures and supports to deliver on this.

Diversification within and more significantly beyond the agriculture sector will become essential for rural economies to compete. In this area the Government has failed miserably to provide for the future of a vibrant rural community that is safe and secure, has a dependable source of income and is forward-looking. I listened to Deputy Tony Dempsey waxing lyrical about the village school. He seems to be somewhat out of touch with the reality of rural Ireland and village schools. It now seems to be about number crunching. If numbers dip by one or two, there is a real risk of a school being closed or the loss of a teacher. The Deputy is surely thinking of a romantic Ireland when talking about the village school and the commitment of the Government to ensure the viability of such important local provision of services.

Deputy O'Shea referred to the post offices, policing and public transport, which are all so crucial to a good quality of life in rural Ireland. The elimination of many of the rural post offices has denuded the countryside and the community of one of their most important social outlets. These closures are ongoing and the problem is getting worse. Anybody who has lived in rural Ireland, particularly in isolated parts, will be more than conscious and concerned about the lack of policing. Many elderly people in isolated places live in a constant state of fear because of the lack of local policing. Again many local Garda stations are being closed.

Independent international research published this week by the European Foundation for the Improvement of Living and Working Conditions will prove that point is invalid.

Regardless of what the Minister might think and international research, the reality in rural Ireland is that people are isolated and constantly living in fear because they know policing support is inadequate.

Once they get back from the cities.

Tá mé ag roinnt mo chuid ama leis an Teachta Cowley.

Is that agreed? Agreed.

On behalf of the Green Party, I support this motion, on which my colleague, Deputy Boyle, spoke yesterday. It highlights the need to focus on the plight of many rural communities. From his life before politics, the Minister has considerable experience in this area. I hope we can be constructive and have a useful discourse on the matter this evening. The principles and policy of the Green Party are based on decision making at the lowest effective level. To that extent communities and their viability represent where we believe society is most efficiently and sustainably organised.

In countries like Latvia where the Prime Minister is from the Green Party, which is in coalition with the farmers' union, rural development is at the heart of many of the policies pursued by Green parties internationally as well as here. I have travelled the country as party leader and seen some good examples of rural development and some areas where there was considerable deprivation and where I hope lessons will have been learned.

It is important to focus on the positive elements where possible. When I was near Malin Head meeting the Green Party representative in Donegal, Dr. Peter Doran, it was very satisfying to see in spite of the hard times as a result of the demise of Fruit of the Loom, a great synergy existed between the Green Party there, a local entrepreneur and a new company, Forward Emphasis, which employs more than 100 people in the old Fruit of the Loom premises. This emphasises the opportunity for rural people to embrace new technology. With better broadband access there as in many parts of the country it would be possible to create even more employment in the area. Lack of broadband access has been a limiting factor and I hope the Government will increase its focus on rural development and particularly on broadband access.

In developing and even saving many rural communities, we need to recognise the writing on the wall. The Minister for Transport, Deputy Brennan, said in a news report today how important oil is for transportation. I urge the Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs, Deputy Ó Cuív, to make that point strongly about rural communities. Without public transport, local Garda stations, schools and markets, rural communities will be very seriously disadvantaged because of their high car dependency. This is not a matter of choice but one of reality. Unless the Government takes a long-term view, it is sentencing people to a very uncertain and expensive future rather than protecting rural communities and their viability.

Although I do not need to tell the Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs about Fianna Fáil's original policy of retaining as many families as possible in rural Ireland, unfortunately it is not working. More farm families are leaving the land. Even though rural populations are increasing slightly, many of them are long-distance commuters unable to engage with their rural community in the way family farmers might have done in the past.

Government policy needs to stop dumping on rural communities with huge regional landfill dumps. A large incinerator is proposed for Carranstown, County Meath. Just because these are situated in rural areas, does not mean they do not affect people. Some sections of Government seem to believe they can get away with locating these facilities in a rural area because it does not affect as many people politically and is not as vote-sensitive. That thinking must stop and we need to maximise self-reliance in terms of waste and providing for needs in local communities in both urban and rural areas rather than dumping on the rural community.

I support the motion. I am involved in politics because there have been such problems. There has been a vicious circle and it is quite obvious in rural areas that if we lose services we will lose people. Many years ago I pointed out that if the population fell to a level at which a doctor was not replaced, people were less likely to stay in that area. The same is true where there is no post office, Garda presence to offer protection from marauding criminals or other services. Dispensing by rural doctors only happens in areas where a pharmacy is not viable. At one stage in its wisdom the Government removed that responsibility but quickly restored it because of the furore from the people. That was a good example of bad policy for sustaining populations in rural areas.

I have been very much involved in supporting older people in their own community, which has been a very powerful economic regenerator. West of a line from Killala to Newport every district electoral division showed a population decrease. The exception was St. Brendan's Village in Mulranny, Newport east, which showed an increase because of the local infrastructure and because the village is the biggest employer. It underlines the point that if the infrastructure is provided, the people will remain in an area.

Funding for the Government's social housing plans is €100 million below what it needs to be to meet the targets this year. Communities would be revived if people in long-stay institutions were brought back to them. Some 25% of people in long-stay institutions should not be there. I greatly encourage the provision of alternatives to keep them in their own communities to break the strong link between homelessness and a lack of local accommodation. People must leave their areas due to lack of accommodation. It is important to keep people in rural areas.

On foot of the fight to retain the post offices at Carracastle, An Post had to re-examine its proposal. The provision of useful services like banking allowed the post office to remain in the area. The post office is the one element of An Post which is profitable. That shows how a situation can be turned around due to good policy. I must pay tribute to the Minister, Deputy Ó Cuív, above all his ministerial colleagues. He at least is trying hard. He comes from Cornamona in County Galway which is a rural area in which he worked at the coalface. The CLÁR programme is well intentioned and based on sound principles in addressing areas which have suffered severe depopulation. While that is how it should be, the programme does not have the budget it needs. It is very useful that the programme has less bureaucracy attached to it than others. It fits in with other schemes.

I also compliment the Minister on what he has done for the islands in terms of access. It should have been done a long time ago. The Minister has had to deal with the consequences of the neglect of years. I would like him to do for the mainland what he has done for the islands. He should work for equality. I started a campaign a decade ago for an orthopaedic unit in Mayo General Hospital in Castlebar which will not now open. It was supposed to open on 1 July, but sanction has not been given for the 60 staff who have been interviewed. They will not be given contracts. It is an example of a rural area being let down.

The end of Mayo is as distant from Galway as Dublin but that is how far people must travel to receive a basic service. It is unacceptable. It is also unacceptable that 23 orthopaedic beds, 28 geriatric assessment beds, 28 elderly care beds and two palliative care beds lie idle simply because the Government will not sanction 30 nurses due to its embargo on recruitment. Meanwhile, 30 trolleys downstairs accommodate older people who should be upstairs in beds. They are not fit for nursing home beds.

This issue is about local services. Where surgical and medical services are available locally, there are no waiting lists. There are massive waiting lists for ear, nose and throat services. In terms of orthopaedic waiting lists, 1,500 people are in limbo while 1,000 older people in Mayo are waiting for urology services. This is simply because there are no local consultants. The Hanly radiotherapy reports make recommendations against the provision of local services. There is a great onus on the Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs as somebody who knows and cares to stop the rot. I acknowledge that the Minister is doing his best.

The National Development Plan 2000-2006 was supposed to accomplish a great deal. In 2004, half way through the life of the plan, a report by Indecon and the ESRI shows the extent to which it is behind schedule, particularly in the west. The Indecon report concludes that there is no evidence of significant convergence between the Border, midlands and west region and the south and east region. The plan is struggling to deliver and serious questions are being asked about value for money and the commitment of the Government to investing outside Dublin.

The final draft of the national spatial strategy was published in 2002 almost three years after the publication of the national development plan. That was behind time. There is little evidence that the national spatial strategy is having an impact in terms of balanced regional development or that there exists a clear idea on how to implement it. Broadband development and the strategic rail review appear to be incompatible with the strategy's recommendations. While record growth rates have been achieved nationally, the west continues to lag far behind. Balanced regional development makes great sense. It would benefit the country by stemming the migration to Dublin. Many years ago while the bishops were talking about depopulation and emigration, I flagged the migration of people to large urban centres. If one could keep people out of Dublin, the demand for housing there would be reduced and property would become more affordable. The pressure on infrastructure which is reduced to ass and cart pace would be relieved.

To accomplish this requires a concerted effort to upgrade infrastructure. That is just not happening according to the review of the national development plan. It is unacceptable. In 2000, 9.8% of all new graduates with primary degrees were employed in the Galway, Mayo and Roscommon while 62% of them found work in Dublin, Kildare, Meath and Wicklow. Is it acceptable that so many people from the west must go to Dublin to find jobs? People from the west do not want to be in Dublin. They want to be at home. They cannot stay in the west due to a lack of competitiveness and infrastructure which means the necessary jobs cannot be provided.

Nationally, net industrial output growth from the mid to late 1990s averaged 19% per annum. The equivalent figure for the west was just over 7%. In 2000, the western region accounted for 7.5% of all industrial output in the State compared with the mid-west contribution of 12.5%, 26.7% in the Dublin region and 27.6% in the south west. Is there any point in providing further grants to industry in Dublin? Would it not be better to ensure that industries are developed in the west? Why should money be poured in to keep even more people in Dublin? It would make a great deal more sense to provide industry in the west.

The Central Statistics Office reported that disposable income in the west was 7.8% below the State average in 2001, which is below the figure in 2000. It is worsening all the time. While disposable income in Galway is 1.3% below the State average, it is 15.5% below in Mayo and 14.7% in Roscommon. It is evident that while Galway is improving, Mayo and Roscommon are slipping. They are rural areas which are doing worse. The average output level per person in the west is significantly below the national average at 23.8%, which represents an increase of less than 0.5% above the 1996 level. This is further evidence that the west is not attracting its share of high value added growth employment. The west is not doing well and that is where rural areas are for the most part.

The national development plan is supposed to be the principal engine in the delivery of infrastructure through the economic and social infrastructure operational programme. It is generally accepted that the plan is failing to reach its targets. According to the Indecon mid-term evaluation of the economic and social infrastructure operational programme, it was projected that €858.3 million would be spent on the road network in the BMW region between 2000 and 2002. The actual expenditure was €592.7 million. As a percentage of the operational programme forecasts, that was 69.1%.

If one compares that with the south and east region, the total spending projection there in 2000 to 2002 was €1.4649 billion but the actual spend was €2.0231 billion. If one looks at the expenditure as a percentage of operational programme forecast for the BMW region, the figure spent was 69.1% of the expected spend, but in the south and east the figure spent was 138.1% over the figure. That does not make sense to me. If one asks why our graduates must go to Dublin, that is the reason.

The Westport to Dublin route, the N5, is the main national primary link to the east on which companies depend. I know that Allergan products are damaged in transit because of the state of the road. Given its importance to industry, why is there such a lack of emphasis on the route in the NDP? The National Roads Authority is not giving it the priority it deserves.

If one looks at efforts to improve the route, what has been involved is mere short-term upgrading. The Western Development Commission in its 2001 report recommended what the expenditure should be for each route in the region over the period 2000 to 2006. The recommended expenditure for the N5 over the six-year period was €203 million. The figure spent fell far short of that, with the allocation for the period 2000 to 2003, half of the six-year period, being €47 million. Being generous, one might say that just over twice that, some €100 million, would be spent over the full six-year period, a figure far short of the recommended €203 million. We are obviously not getting the priority we need and deserve. It is a question of equality rather than priority, and we are not getting equality.

Looking at rail transport, the investment in public transport in the BMW region between 2000 and 2002 also fell far short of expectations. The total BMW projection was €303 million while spending amounted to €154 million, only 51% of the figure forecast for that period. In the south and east, the projected amount was €271 million while the expenditure was €471.9 million — twice the projected figure — while only half the projected figure was spent in the BMW area. Does that make sense? Is it any wonder we are in such a state in the west?

This is the book that tells the story. I have a great deal of time for the Minister of State and I know he is trying very hard, but he must get the Government to try harder. We are losing the battle in the west.

The mission statement of my Department is to promote and support the sustainable development of communities, both urban and rural, including Gaeltacht and island communities. The Government demonstrated its support for rural communities by establishing the Department of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs. At the time the Taoiseach made it clear that the Government was placing a focus on communities, particularly those vulnerable and under threat. Since its inception the Department has played a key role in implementing programmes such as CLÁR and Leader and has responded to new and developing situations by the introduction of the rural social scheme and the establishment of Comhairle na Tuaithe. These measures combined with the provision of additional resources have played a significant part in improving the quality of life and opportunities for people.

When the CLÁR programme was introduced in October 2001, there was wide consultation with everyone involved to identify their priorities. CLÁR is delivered under a number of measures and with great co-operation between all the agencies. The rural social scheme was launched a few weeks ago, has commenced in eight Leader areas and will be extended to many others within the next two months.

The Department also hosted an important and successful conference earlier this week under the aegis of the European Presidency.

There are too many conferences.

It was agreed at the conference that EU rural development policy must focus on developing a living, thriving countryside based on development of the rural economy as a whole. It was also agreed that policy must continue to promote a sustainable and competitive farm sector and to focus on managing the land of Europe for future generations. Rural development is primarily about people and communities. We must listen to the people who live in rural areas. That is the key. We must listen to them and make policy to suit the people instead of trying to change people and the world to suit policy. We must continue to do what we can for rural communities. When we have stopped the haemorrhage of people from the countryside all over Europe and when our rural young people automatically expect to benefit from the same opportunities as their urban counterparts, we will then know that we have achieved a successful outcome.

It is a long time coming.

It emerged from the conference that Ireland would be one of the leaders, but there is more to be done, to quote a famous saying. When we stop that haemorrhage and when young people expect the same in the countryside as in Dublin or other urban areas, we will then know that we have got it all right.

When will that happen?

In the meantime we should put young people first. I believe that the programmes we have clearly demonstrate the commitment of the Department to fulfilling our mission statement. That is what we are striving towards.

I thank all those who have contributed to the debate which has been most informative and demonstrates that there is a wide area of agreement across party lines on the problems that face rural Ireland, despite the obligation that we all have to pick holes in each other's positions. It is regrettable that a small number of Deputies, Deputies Ellis and Smith in particular, are at variance with the Minister's position expressed last night when he commended Sinn Féin on bringing this motion before the House. Those two Deputies attacked Sinn Féin for doing so.

I do not agree with that. It was good that we had the debate but I do not agree with the motion.

The Minister commended Sinn Féin.

We have a counter-motion prepared. We do not agree with the motion but we agree that it is good to debate rural issues.

In Deputy Smith's case it may have more to do with being embarrassed that the leader of the Sinn Féin party in the House, Deputy Ó Caoláin, comes from the same constituency as he.

The drastic situation in rural Ireland deserves the attention of all Deputies, especially those of us who have firsthand knowledge of it. The Minister made an interesting contribution yesterday and we can all agree that he is passionately devoted to the future of rural communities. In drafting our motion, never once did we contemplate including what is often the obligatory demand that the Minister responsible for the area under discussion be asked to resign.

The Minister is correct in saying that halting the decline in rural communities has not been achieved by any other European or any other modern developed state. He is attempting to halt the Irish rural decline, a laudable aim, by means of a number of initiatives taken by him as Minister in a dedicated Department.

It concerns me that his good intentions and the excellent work being carried out under his Department are being nullified by the overall thrust of Government policies. That is why our motion refers to the Government's failure rather than that of the Minister to ensure that the commitments made in the White Paper are fulfilled.

It is not just the duty of every Minister to embrace the concept of rural development and regeneration. They must actively and positively contribute to addressing rural community needs, to reverse the trend of decline and not just pay it lip-service to it. It is my belief that the socially-progressive objectives of the Minister and many others within his own party are having to take second place to the dominant ideology within the Government, which is driven by what one might for simplicity's sake describe as a right-wing fiscal agenda. It is no coincidence that this is taking place at a time when the single most right-wing party in the State, the Progressive Democrats, is part of the governing coalition.

There are without doubt fundamental differences between the world view of many within the Fianna Fáil base and the PDs. That might be best exemplified by something that the Minister said last night when he spoke of the loss of the old co-operative spirit and the conviction that none of us is an island but that we exist interdependently with one another. One could contrast that with what his colleague, the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, Deputy McDowell, said last week regarding the manner in which inequality acts as an incentive. He went on to claim that striving to eradicate social inequality would lead to a feudal society.

As many Deputies from rural parts of this country will know, we are not too many generations removed from what was a feudal society. I can imagine that Lord Leitrim and other lords and gentry of his time might have gazed out of their windows and pondered how the enormous gap between themselves and their tenants, or how murdering, evicting or starving them, would spur them on to greater things — in other words, to produce more profits for the lords and gentry. It did spur them on; it motivated Irish tenants to get rid of the Lord Leitrims and the many parasites who thrived on the life blood of rural Ireland. Thatcher tried it in England. Milton Friedman's ideological economic position drove right-wing policies across the world and McDowellism is alive and well in this House. However, just as Thatcher, Pinochet and the Boers are in the dustbin of history, the policies of McDowellism, which are driving the current Government, will also be found there.

I cannot imagine that the Minister, Deputy Ó Cuív, shares his colleague's views or the PD's extreme attitude towards the role of the state. Individual initiative is crucial but private enterprise itself will never be sufficient to solve the problems facing rural communities. I think I am correct in saying that this view is shared by the Minister.

Another interesting issue raised by the Minister was in regard to the use of modulated funds. I would agree that all of these should not necessarily go directly back to individual producers. We made this point during the debate on CAP reform when we argued that the definition of rural development under CAP ought to be expanded beyond measures directly connected to production. There is a strong argument for directing some of the modulation funds into broader rural development and also that this should be matched by national government. The important thing is that all of the modulation funds are ring-fenced to the country of origin.

There is scope to expand the CLÁR programme further. The Minister might consider including district electrical divisions that fit the population criteria but which are geographically separated from other district electrical divisions in the same position. I also believe that the underlying concept of CLÁR could be applied to cross-Border programmes where similar areas of disadvantage are divided by the Border. Of course, I would also hope that funding for the programme is increased in the next budget and not cut as was done previously.

The Government's amendment expresses support for the Western Development Commission but in practice it has ignored many of the recommendations made by the commission. In its blueprint for organic agrifood production in the west, the WDC pointed to the potential for organic production allied to higher value added processing for the export market but this has not been followed by the Government. In fact, it has cut the level of State support, training and support for the organic sector. Many of the recommendations of the WDC on the seafood sector were incorporated in the Department of Communications, Marine and Natural Resource's national strategy but very few have been implemented as sea landings continue to decline, hampered by the increasing restrictions imposed by the Common Fisheries Policy.

The fishing sector is probably the most neglected and abused sector of rural Ireland. Many who live in coastal areas have witnessed the decline of the industry with nothing done to reverse it. It is depressing when I return to my home port of Fenit to see so few people actively engaged in the fishing industry at present. This situation is mirrored all around the western and south-western coasts. We need a re-negotiation of the CFP to address the terrible imbalance inflicted upon those in our coastal communities.

Population forecasts predict that growth will be further concentrated in Dublin and the mid-east over the next 25 years, with 80% of growth taking place there. Something radical must be done to avoid this imbalance. I hope the Minister is right about decentralisation and that more proactive measures are taken to decentralise private sector as well as public sector jobs.

There is also a clear imbalance in the location of jobs which are created with the assistance of the IDA. Despite the commitments made in the national spatial strategy, the so-called hub centres have not proved sufficient to attract new foreign companies. As Deputy Morgan pointed out, most of them have actually experienced increased unemployment since 2002. The Tralee-Killarney hub is one example. In 2002, there were 3,512 people on the live register. In April of this year, this had increased to 3,906. In Tralee, which is served by a technology centre and an institute of technology, there has been no new inward investment since the launch of the spatial strategy and, it would appear, very little effort on the part of the State to interest foreign companies in the area. Not only that, while the Tánaiste and Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment, Deputy Harney, has refused to meet with representatives of Tralee Town Council to discuss ways of tackling the jobs crisis, she can find time to travel by helicopter to Sligo to open an off-licence.

One area that is crucial to economic development is up-to-date communications technology. This is especially important in places outside the main urban centres where commerce can potentially outweigh other structural disadvantages. The White Paper noted this and referred to the prospect that the provision of broadband telecommunications might facilitate an expansion of this country's development in this sector, obviously with the view that rural areas would benefit from this. The paper also referred to the liberalisation of telecommunications in the State and suggested that greater competition would lead to a more rapid roll-out of broadband. However, a report from February of this year concludes that this has not been successful. It states:

Ireland has a disappointingly under-developed broadband market. Low penetration is due to high wholesale costs, lack of competition, high retail prices, limited coverage in many non-urban areas, and general low market awareness.

Again, this proves that reliance on the private sector will not be sufficient to address such deficiencies.

Another area to which the Minister referred was the difficulty of securing loans and the role that the credit unions can play where the banks are reluctant to lend to local community-based projects. This needs to be addressed, particularly when one considers how liberal the banks are in regard to certain other practises.

The Minister also referred to the way in which the co-operatives were transformed into PLCs. I agree that this came about when shareholders decided to sell but I would disagree as to the extent to which that decision was made in consideration of all the facts. I have experience of the foundation of Kerry Co-operative, in which my uncles and friends were involved as shareholders. I know that many who were actively engaged in farming found themselves heavily in debt and were compelled to sell their shares because of economic necessity and because they had been pressurised into modernising their holdings and buying expensive equipment.

The growth of the large dairy and food processors has certainly not been of benefit to farmers. As well as decreasing the share of the value of farm produce that goes to farmers, it has altered the nature of rural communities. If we want to see the logical conclusion of that process we need only look to the situation in the United States, where the giant agri-business corporations control the entire food system and where farmers are increasingly becoming contract workers who produce to order. The sector is moving towards corporate farming, with profit before people. That is what the PLCs have done to rural Ireland, they have put profit before the people who set them up and the communities that supported them by giving them their start.

This has been a useful and productive debate. For our part, Sinn Féin will continue to articulate our vision for rural Ireland, in which all of those who wish to live in rural communities are enabled to do so. That means working to preserve the family farms which are the bedrock of Irish agriculture, to ensure that fishing communities have the means to survive and that there are sufficient jobs in other sectors.

It must also mean that rural communities are adequately served through the public services. Rural communities must be where it is attractive to live. Without that the urban centres will continue to swell to the detriment of urban dwellers themselves and to the balanced development of the rest of the country. At the same time we will face the prospect of townlands, villages and small towns that are slowly dying.

Amendment put.
The Dáil divided: Tá, 55; Níl, 31.

  • Ahern, Michael.
  • Ahern, Noel.
  • Andrews, Barry.
  • Ardagh, Seán.
  • Brady, Johnny.
  • Brady, Martin.
  • Brennan, Seamus.
  • Callanan, Joe.
  • Callely, Ivor.
  • Carey, Pat.
  • Carty, John.
  • Cassidy, Donie.
  • Collins, Michael.
  • Coughlan, Mary.
  • Cregan, John.
  • Curran, John.
  • Dempsey, Tony.
  • Dennehy, John.
  • Ellis, John.
  • Finneran, Michael.
  • Glennon, Jim.
  • Grealish, Noel.
  • Hanafin, Mary.
  • Haughey, Seán.
  • Hoctor, Máire.
  • Jacob, Joe.
  • Keaveney, Cecilia.
  • Kelleher, Billy.
  • Kelly, Peter.
  • Killeen, Tony.
  • Lenihan, Brian.
  • Lenihan, Conor.
  • Moynihan, Michael.
  • Mulcahy, Michael.
  • Nolan, M. J.
  • Ó Cuív, Éamon.
  • Ó Fearghaíl, Seán.
  • O’Dea, Willie.
  • O’Donnell, Liz.
  • O’Donovan, Denis.
  • O’Malley, Fiona.
  • O’Malley, Tim.
  • Parlon, Tom.
  • Power, Peter.
  • Power, Seán.
  • Roche, Dick.
  • Sexton, Mae.
  • Smith, Brendan.
  • Treacy, Noel.
  • Wallace, Dan.
  • Wallace, Mary.
  • Walsh, Joe.
  • Wilkinson, Ollie.
  • Woods, Michael.
  • Wright, G.V.

Níl

  • Boyle, Dan.
  • Breen, Pat.
  • Bruton, Richard.
  • Connolly, Paudge.
  • Cowley, Jerry.
  • Crawford, Seymour.
  • Crowe, Seán.
  • Durkan, Bernard J.
  • English, Damien.
  • Ferris, Martin.
  • Hayes, Tom.
  • Higgins, Michael D.
  • Kehoe, Paul.
  • Lynch, Kathleen.
  • McGinley, Dinny.
  • McGrath, Paul.
  • McManus, Liz.
  • Morgan, Arthur.
  • Moynihan-Cronin, Breeda.
  • Neville, Dan.
  • Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín.
  • Ó Snodaigh, Aengus.
  • O’Keeffe, Jim.
  • O’Shea, Brian.
  • O’Sullivan, Jan.
  • Pattison, Seamus.
  • Ring, Michael.
  • Sargent, Trevor.
  • Sherlock, Joe.
  • Timmins, Billy.
  • Upton, Mary.
Tellers: Tá, Deputies Hanafin and Kelleher; Níl, Deputies Ó Snodaigh and Durkan.
Amendment declared carried.
Motion, as amended, put and declared carried.
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