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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 16 Jun 2004

Vol. 587 No. 3

Garda Síochána Report: Motion (Resumed).

The following motion was moved by Deputy Jim O'Keeffe on Tuesday, 15 June 2004:
That Dáil Éireann:
—noting the commitment in the programme for Government to increase the numbers of gardaí by 2,000;
—noting conflicting statements by Ministers in recent weeks concerning the closure of Garda stations;
—noting increasing public concern about the unacceptable level of public order offences;
—deploring the Government's delay in publishing the SMI Report on Garda Síochána Structures and Organisation —
demands that the Government immediately publish this report and indicate how its commitment in the programme for Government to increase Garda numbers will be met.
Debate resumed on amendment No. 1:
To delete all words after "Dáil Éireann" and substitute the following:
—notes the Government's firm commitment to achieving a force strength of 14,000 members;
—acknowledges the achievement in 2003 of a Garda force strength in excess of 12,000 members for the first time since the founding of the force;
—notes the imminent achievement during 2004 of the current maximum authorised strength of the force at 12,200 members;
—notes the significant increase achieved in the budget provision for the Garda Vote, bringing the total allocation to the Garda Síochána to over €1 billion for the first time, which represents an increase of over 75% on the €600 million allocated in 1997;
—welcomes the recent decrease in the level of recorded crime and the success of the Garda Síochána in combating public order offences;
—congratulates the Garda Síochána on its ongoing successes in countering subversion and terrorism and in seizing illegal drugs and the proceeds of organised crime;
—congratulates the Garda Síochána on its success in investigating and detecting murders committed by criminal gangs;
—welcomes the publication by the Minister of the Garda Síochána Bill 2004 and its objective of radically modernising the Garda Síochána and of establishing the independent Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission;
—acknowledges that the deployment of Garda resources is a matter for the Garda Commissioner based on his professional assessment of the operational requirements;
—commends the Government's record in continuing to strengthen the criminal law over the past seven years through unprecedented legislative reform;
—welcomes the Transforming State Assets Initiative whereby existing Garda accommodation is being replaced by new, more appropriate accommodation;
—notes the programme of modernisation and reform for the Garda Síochána currently in train under the Strategic Management Initiative and supported by the Garda Síochána Bill 2004;
—welcomes the publication of the final report of the Garda SMI implementation steering group, the contents of which have been the subject of widespread consultation among interested parties;
—welcomes the open and transparent consultative and drafting process which produced the final report; and
—considers that the report will be of significant assistance to the Commissioner of the Garda Síochána in preparing the first three-year strategy statement under the terms of the Garda Síochána Bill once enacted."

I am pleased to have the opportunity to contribute to the debate on this motion. It is important to note the Government's commitment to the Garda in terms of numbers, financial resources, training and the provision of equipment in recent years. Since 1997 there has been a 75% increase on the then €600 million available to the Minister in that budget to over €1 billion. It would be remiss of me not to mention the significant progress made by the Garda in combating organised crime, particularly drug barons, the importation of drugs and dealing in drugs. During the past 24 to 48 hours the Garda was successful in making a number of arrests and seizing almost €3 million worth of illegal drugs which affected people from the Cork and Dublin networks in the procurement of drugs. I laud in the highest possible terms the Garda on its tremendous success in this area.

Last week, in my constituency, significant interceptions of illicit drugs, whether E tablets cocaine, marijuana or other prohibited substances have been made. We always hear about the cases where this or that failed, but the Garda, through its training and discipline, has made inroads into the area of drugs and drug trafficking during the past decade. This is attributed to Government policy, continued financial support, training and international co-operation between the Garda forces and so on.

Ten or 15 years ago, the island of Ireland was the gateway for some of the major drug trafficking from Colombia and north Africa. Bales of drugs dropped off at sea came into inlets in west Cork and the west of Ireland. Most of these drugs were not for use in the Irish market but in Great Britain or continental Europe. The efforts of the Government and the Garda Síochána in this area have been tremendous. This type of policing is never-ending. Unfortunately today, not only in Ireland but throughout Europe and the developed world, the drugs trade is one of the blights on society. Even though the Garda has done tremendous work in this area, particularly during the past five or six years, its efforts must continue.

I laud the Minister on the increasing number of Garda on our streets and in towns throughout the country and his commitment to providing a force of 14,000. I compliment him on the advances made in Garda technology and in providing state-of-the-art Garda stations and equipment throughout the country. I acknowledge all the criminal legislation initiated not only by the Minister but by the previous Government.

Having commenced my contribution with a reference to the whole area of drugs, I am concerned that legislation introduced by the previous Government specified clearly and unequivocally that anybody dealing in drugs and the supply of drugs to a value of €10,000 or more should get a mandatory minimum sentence of ten years. I was a Member of the other House when that legislation was going through. I regret that measure has not been implemented across the board. Without breaking the separation of powers, I suggest the Judiciary revisit that issue. If a mandatory sentence is imposed, whether for drink driving, where one is put off the road for two years, or having no insurance, and one gets months, I cannot understand why the other arm of the State has constantly ignored it with regard to drug trafficking and drug dealing. It is a shameful exercise given that one of the greatest problems in society is drugs. That point should be noted.

Another problem in all our towns and villages is street disorder and drunkenness. We must acknowledge we live in an affluent society. A study of Greek history, pre-Roman, the Stoics and the sophists will show that the Stoics was a wealthy society which said, "Eat well, be rich and be merry and enjoy life". We have something similar today. Young people have money and there is much disorder in society. The Minister cannot be blamed if some people, not necessarily young people, have too many drinks in a pub or disco and a brawl develops. Street disorder is a problem, and I am pleased to note the Minister has committed greater resources to deal with that difficulty.

I acknowledge the tremendous work being done by the Garda Síochána and particularly its courage in the past 24 hours in the chase, and constant surveillance in recent weeks, of people involved in drugs importation and distribution. I wish the three gardaí who were injured in this escapade a speedy recovery. The bravery and courage of the gardaí in the course of duty must be acknowledged unanimously by every Member.

One would like to envisage a society with no crime and no problems, as envisaged by some of the architects of the Russian socialist regime which had the thesis, synthesis and antithesis, meaning that there would be no crime in society, there would be no need for laws or police officers and we would all be happy, but unfortunately that regime broke down. Some Members would have us believe the process envisaged by Lenin, Trotsky and others during the Russian revolution could be achieved here, but it will never be achieved.

The previous Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform had a view of zero tolerance, but we must realise there will always be crime, vandalism and theft, as human nature will never change. One must on an ongoing basis review procedures, resources and so on. In spite of all the criticisms, the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform has a clear commitment to improving the powers of the Garda Síochána through legislation, providing additional financial resources and a better working environment and improving their training and providing them with state-of-the-art facilities. It would be more effective to establish an agency to monitor and process traffic control measures, such as speed cameras and so on. It is wrong to have the Garda Síochána doing secretarial work, because the gardaí should be on the streets.

I support the amendment. As agreed, I will hand over to my good friend from Tallaght, Deputy O'Connor, with whom I am sharing time.

I am almost reluctant to take over from Deputy O'Donovan because of the flow of his fine speech. I share the views he expressed. I too pay tribute to the Garda Síochána because it is fitting to do so on this occasion. I compliment the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform. It is easy in the rough and tumble of politics to take all sorts of stands, but I am a member of the Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Equality, Defence and Women's Rights and I have the opportunity to support the work he is doing on behalf of all of us.

Early this morning, we dealt with the Estimates for the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform and I took the opportunity to raise some of the subjects we are dealing with now. I certainly welcome the Estimate and the increase in manpower and financial resources for the Garda Síochána. It is very important that we continue to support the work of the Garda Síochána, the courts, the probation service and allied services, which form part of the justice brief. It is important to have an effective response to crime, and my colleague Deputy O'Donovan referred to that. Whether one is in west Cork, Clare, Donegal or in a major population centre such as Tallaght, the problems are the same. People bring us the same message, they want Deputies to continue to fight for resources for the Garda Síochána and to ensure they continue to be available. It is important that we understand the need to protect our communities at all stages. When I was a small boy my grandmother used to tell me that what concerned her were not the bank robbers robbing banks in America — I am not suggesting that my grandmother was pro-crime — but the people who were terrorising and robbing people in the Dublin of her day. That logic prevails again today.

When one listens to debates on crime or to the problems in the community , the same problems keep cropping up, with communities suffering from anti-social behaviour, under-age drinking and public order offences arising from drink. It is the same all over the country and it is important the Minister understands the need to respond to that. People in the community believe that the Garda Síochána should be available on the streets and working with the communities. People often ask why so few gardaí are on the beat but are doing administrative work in stations or are in the courts. I am not suggesting the gardaí should abandon the courts, but surely in this day and age there must be a better system where gardaí are relieved of these types of duties where possible. The gardaí should be in the communities dealing with the problems and working with the people, not only when there are problems but at other times, working in partnership with other organisations and working with young people

I did not intend to talk about Tallaght, but the presence of the Minister of State, Deputy de Valera reminds me that when she represented Tallaght a few years ago, it was different. Today, Tallaght is the third major population centre in the country. It has a significant youth population. I represent Dublin South-West and we have only one Garda station, in Tallaght, for the whole constituency. Garda management say that is the best way of organising their resources. I continue to make strong representations not only to the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform but to his colleague in the Office of Public Works, the Minister of State, Deputy Parlon, about the redevelopment of the Tallaght Garda station site because it is important. I am glad that with my prompting good progress has been made in that regard and I look forward to the day soon when we will have a fully modern Garda station in Tallaght which, with such a big population, deserves it.

Given that Tallaght has the biggest and best shopping centre in the country in the Square, Tallaght Hospital, the institute of technology, council buildings, the county library and the national basketball arena, there is now much more demand on Garda time and resources than was the case. It is fair that I make the point, while supporting the Minister's work, which I do as a member of the committee, that more gardaí are needed in Tallaght. Unfair comparisons are often made with other population centres, particularly Limerick. I will not be a cry baby, but I want the Minister to continue to pay special attention to the Garda needs of Tallaght. We are well served by the gardaí but they are often very stretched. It is important that we support the Minister in his efforts to allocate more gardaí to Tallaght.

A number of gardaí have died in Tallaght. Garda Tony Tighe who was killed on the Stillorgan Road a number of years ago lived on the Belgard Road. Five years ago, Sergeant Andrew Callanan was killed on duty in Tallaght Garda station in a terrible fire. In February 1982, Garda Patrick Reynolds, from Kilmacthomas, County Sligo, was killed on duty in Tallaght. I pay tribute to the Garda Síochána who serve in Tallaght and, as a public representative, I continue to support their work in a very strong way. Tallaght deserves more gardaí and, while I am happy to support other colleagues——

Charlie Haughey.

It is time everybody got behind the Government and worked for what we are trying to achieve. I have no doubt that the commitment in the programme for Government with regard to a further 2,000 gardaí will be fulfilled within the lifetime of the Government. That is very important and when that happens, I hope a number of those gardaí will be assigned to the Tallaght station.

Do not forget Coolock.

As I said, I am not here just to fight for my constituency, although that is my first priority, but I venture out, I come into the city and go to other parts of the country, and I am happy to support the efforts of other Members. It is important the Minister understands the need to have gardaí on the streets working with people, particularly the youth, protecting the elderly, property and communities.

I understand the need for Private Member‘s Business. I am sorry Deputy Jim O'Keeffe is not here because I wanted to pay tribute to him, as I did at the Oireachtas Select Committee on Justice, Equality, Defence and Women's Rights this morning, and wish him well in his brief. His contribution last night and at the committee this morning was very calm. In a week when some of his party colleagues and leaders seem to be excited about something, and I have no idea what that could be——

It was Deputy O'Connor who was excited.

——it is great to see him so calm and supportive of the work we are trying to do.

Deputy O'Connor should not forget Deputy Harkin.

I look forward to supporting the Government amendment, which I am happy to commend.

I congratulate the Garda Síochána on the role it plays in enforcing the law every day and particularly the gardaí in Longford who recently had a significant success in a drugs haul. Debating issues such as this can give the Garda Síochána the sense that they are undervalued and it is important to respect the role it plays in an ever-changing society. I often wonder why the Opposition gets its best inspiration and ideas while in opposition.

That is Deputy Finian McGrath.

It is leadership.

We have one of the most reforming Ministers for justice in the history of the State. Just approaching two years in office the Minister has faced many challenges and introduced wide and varied legislation. For example, the Minister took over management of his Department in 2002 and piloted the Intoxicating Liquor Act through the Oireachtas in 2003. There has been a steep and continuing drop in the number of public order offences, with a 21% drop in assaults last year and 18% to date this year. I do not understand how this motion can state that there is increasing public concern. Is the Opposition saying that the public is concerned at the continuing reduction in public order offences? While fully acknowledging that we all have concerns about any level of public order offences, the public is relieved to have a Minister who, when he sees a problem, solves it.

There is no doubt that the Garda Síochána is in need of reform, and the Government is initiating that. There is a need for extra gardaí and I support the policy and commitment to achieve a force strength of 14,000 members as outlined in the programme for Government. I welcome the Minister's statement last night to the effect that he intends that the additional 1,800 gardaí recruited to reach that target will be recruited at a rate of 600 per annum from 2005 onwards. Manpower levels are being decided along the lines of an outdated role for the gardaí. That role has changed since the 1950s to include the additional duties of community policing, specialist criminal squads working with the CAB, anti-racism work, immigration units, sexual assault units, drug units, overseas duties with Europol, subversion and crowd and traffic control, all of which dilute the number of gardaí available for the streets.

The recently published SMI implementation steering group report has laid the groundwork for a newly structured force to meet the many challenges of a modern Garda force relative to today's society. This report will provide the basis for the Garda Síochána when the recently passed Garda Síochána Bill is enacted.

The objective of closing Garda stations as outlined in the report for the Dublin metropolitan area is the correct one. What is applicable in Dublin where many Garda stations can pool resources after normal hours does not necessarily apply in rural Ireland where I come from. A system of access to gardaí must reflect the difference between urban and rural society. The objective must be more gardaí on the streets rather than manning telephones and sitting in offices doing other work that is not of a policing nature. I welcome the fact that the Minister has allowed for the establishment of a Garda reserve force which will give greater flexibility to, and further enhance the provision of, full-time gardaí on the streets as circumstances demand. I also welcome in the report a more proactive approach to community policing, with clearer and more defined roles, functions and management practices. It is the key to the good and preventative policing needed in society.

The Garda Síochána is the linchpin in our democracy and its foundation. It must be organised, resourced and staffed to ensure it is positively effective. The proposed reforms set the framework for that new force but it must be funded. I am confident the Minister will receive the support of the Minister for Finance in providing the necessary funding, not only for an increase in Garda establishment but also for the necessary resources to equip, recognise and reorganise the gardaí in accordance with the SMI report.

Reference was made to the rise in public order offences, to which the Minister responded. The best way to combat public order offences, most of which are alcohol related, is by personal responsibility. There seems to be a new and increasing perception that Government is responsible for everything and we as individual citizens have no responsibility. If all sections of society paid greater attention to their personal responsibilities to their families and the communities in which they live, this would be the strongest challenge to the increased level of public order offences in recent years. I welcome the fact that local authorities have been given power under the Intoxicating Liquor Act to decide policy on closing hours, and as a former member of a local authority I hope they will exercise that power effectively and take responsibility at that level. I am happy to commend and support the amendment.

I wish to share time with Deputies Finian McGrath, Connolly and Sargent.

I welcome the Fine Gael motion and the fact that it has prompted the Minister finally to publish, at least in electronic format, the SMI report on Garda Síochána structures and organisation after a six-month wait. Communities have the right to be consulted and they should have been informed of what was happening in the run-up to the elections. Now that the elections are over the Minister should begin a proper consultation process with communities, and not just place an obscure advertisement in the local papers inviting submissions. We should ensure that communities have a say in the shape of policing structures and organisations and how or when the local Garda station is to be closed or amalgamated.

The Garda station in my area was downgraded, about which we raised many concerns, to be told that there would be no reduction in policing in the area. While the station is nice and modern there has been a reduction in the resources available to the area. There is no longer a superintendent in the station and the first call for resources at night, if there is a public order offence or an incident in the divisional area, is the area closest to the station or the headquarters in Ronanstown, which seems to get priority. There has been a reduction in the number of vehicles available to the gardaí in the Dublin South-Central area and the nearby Dublin West area. A major concern is the lack of resources in an area where crime and drugs problems and anti-social behaviour are worst, whereas there is a greater concentration of resources in areas which are not deprived and do not have the same crime levels. The issue of resources available to the Garda Síochána needs to be addressed.

I recognise that the Government has allocated more money to the Garda Síochána than ever before. However, if such money is not directed properly it will be wasted and existing problems in deprived areas and areas hardest hit by violence and anti-social crime will continue to be exacerbated.

As stated earlier, there must be proper consultation. The Minister, the Garda Commissioner and the assistant commissioner must involve themselves in this process. They must not just listen, they must take on board what members of the public have to say. They must engage in one to one meetings with members of the public because that is the only way the Garda will be accountable to the public. When we have managed to amend the Garda Síochána Bill in this House it will ensure that proper structures are put in place to allow members of the community to play their role in those structures, in directing where resources should be deployed and in influencing how gardaí interact with the community.

When the Minister requested them, Sinn Féin made a submission, Policing for the People -Building Safe Communities — Rebuilding Public Confidence, which has since been published. People in many communities in Dublin and elsewhere have lost confidence in the police force. Such confidence can be quickly rebuilt. I encourage the Minister, in the context of the Garda Síochána Bill, to consider our proposals and those of others to ensure that we have the best possible policing service in the world and that Ireland will set the trend for everywhere else. That cannot happen unless we take on board what people are saying and unless we redirect resources to where they are required rather than to where the Minister believes they are required. The people know best in this instance because they are suffering on a daily basis.

I welcome the SMI report and I hope we will be able to make a realistic appraisal of Garda stations and the need for them to operate, in some instances, on a full-time basis and, in others, on a part-time basis. We must ensure that communities understand why decisions in this regard are being taken.

I support the motion. I recognise that the Garda Síochána does an excellent job with the resources, however limited they may be, at its disposal. In the programme for Government dating back to the most recent general election, the Government parties gave a commitment that an additional 2,000 gardaí would be recruited. People generally believe promises and they thought those gardaí would be recruited on foot of the pledge given in the programme for Government. They voted for and supported the Government parties on the basis of that belief and returned them to power. However, they now feel let down by the fact that the extra gardaí have not been recruited. There is not much evidence that they will be recruited. People living alone and elderly people living in rural or urban areas are afraid to open their front doors. Security is a major issue for them.

I found it difficult to comprehend that, on one hand, the Government promised 2,000 extra gardaí would be recruited while, on the other, the Minister for Finance stated that a cap would have to be imposed on the number of people employed in the public service. Effectively, conflicting messages were being sent out and this created a state of confusion.

Many towns in Border areas have a reduced need for a high level Garda presence. We welcome the fact that there is no longer a need for 27 gardaí to be stationed at Emyvale. However, I cannot welcome the fact that there are no gardaí at all in many towns in areas along the Border. Emyvale used to have three sergeants and 27 gardaí, whereas now the office in the town only opens between the hours of 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. The position in Clones, which used to have a large garda presence, is similar and the office there also opens between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. The station in Scotstown only opens for a few hours each morning. There is no way an area can be policed when these type of opening hours for Garda stations are in operation. The argument has been made that Garda stations are not being closed and that the number of hours they are open is merely being reduced. However, this is similar to the argument that accident and emergency departments are not being closed and that only the hours in which they provide services to the public are being reduced.

Gardaí are losing touch with the people as a result of this development. That is a key point. Gardaí cannot maintain contact with people or know what is happening if they are merely sent to stations for a few hours each day to write reports or whatever. In such circumstances, gardaí do not mix with communities and are not part thereof and, as a result, they cannot be trusted by members of those communities. Trust is built up over a period and it is being lost. We should give serious consideration to this matter.

The other issue relating to Border areas is that many criminal gangs are aware that the Garda presence in many towns has been greatly diminished. In a new development, gangs are crossing the Border from Northern Ireland and they appear to know which towns, villages and houses to hit. They are benefiting from the fact that Garda stations have been removed from these areas and from the fact that police numbers on the opposite side of the Border have been greatly reduced. The Garda Síochána does not have the manpower or patrols to intercept these gangs. The gardaí may know the people for whom they are looking or have quite a good profile of them but they are powerless unless they catch these individuals in the act or in possession of the proceeds of crime.

Much of the time we place the onus for policing on the Garda. However, people should engage in patrolling or policing in their communities. There are many signs throughout the country which declare the existence of neighbourhood watch schemes. However, that is often as far as it goes. Neighbours should be more watchful and should be more aware of strange vehicles or individuals in their areas. There is an onus on people, if they are suspicious about someone, to contact their local Garda station. More often than not, gardaí will know whether individuals fit the profile of those they want to apprehend. A neighbourhood watch sign will not do the work and cameras are not erected alongside such signs. There is nothing to beat good old neighbourly suspiciousness. I am not stating that people should be intrusive or nosy but they should certainly care for their neighbours, particularly those who are elderly. People should accept responsibility, to some extent, for policing their own communities. They should be more vigilant.

The criminal gangs to which I refer appear to know the days on which pensions and children's allowances are paid and who collects those payments. They also seem to know the day on which creamery cheques arrive. These gangs appear to have carried out massive research into what happens in their areas and they know who to target. If they are discovered in suspicious circumstances, they often come up with silly excuses for their presence.

We need a Garda traffic corps. The soaring number of deaths on our roads is a major problem. Rather than sitting behind signposts with speed detection devices, gardaí should be out patrolling minor roads.

I welcome the opportunity to speak on this motion which relates to the Garda Síochána and the justice system in general. It is important to acknowledge that many people and communities feel the justice system has let them down. We must face that fact and respond to it. A classic example is the current hunger strike by a constituent of mine, Mr. Peter Preston, at the Kildare Street gate during the past ten days. Mr. Preston's daughter was savagely attacked in a pub and received 24 stitches in her face. However, when the case came to court justice was not done and was not seen to be done because the individual responsible for the attack received only a suspended sentence and a small fine. This is an example of one of the many cases where people feel let down by our justice system. We have to face the fact that whole communities are being intimidated and taken over by drug barons and other areas are being infected with major anti-social problems.

I raise these issues in the debate because the Government and senior management in the Garda Síochána are not responsive. Not enough is being done to assist working class people. The Garda force must have the respect of the community and the way to get respect is to go out and earn it. Quality policing must be community based, people centred, well resourced and committed to human rights. That is the way forward.

I am fed up listening to the tired major political parties constantly putting down Independent Deputies and councillors who are progressive people who put forward constructive and practical proposals to resolve problems. We have radical new policies and I wish people in power would listen to us. We have concrete proposals to develop the Garda Síochána. I have already made many submissions to the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform in this regard. It is wrong to say we are against everything. The Government should open its eyes and ears to our sensible ideas on policing. Closing Garda stations and making the Garda more remote from people is a daft idea. Each Garda station should be like the village shop or the local community centre — open to serve people 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

We need more gardaí out there mixing with people and preventing crime, but we also need efficient and professional teams to deal with the drugs crisis in society. That is why I support the motion before the House. We cannot have a situation where elderly people are locking their doors with bolts and chains each night at 7 p.m. because of fear and intimidation. A society that allows this to happen is losing its heart and going nowhere. In these changing times we need more quality gardaí who are well trained. We also need professionalism and efficiency in senior Garda management. The Garda Síochána should be non-political and non-sectarian.

Last year, €20 million worth of drugs was confiscated in my constituency by the Garda Síochána and the drugs squad. We have to face up to the reality of the drugs trade. Just because people in certain areas are not engaging in gangland warfare and shooting each other does not mean the problem does not exist. In another part of my constituency, 278 people were charged with drug-related offences. There is a crisis in parts of Dublin and elsewhere in the country and we must face this reality.

I challenge Deputy O'Connor — who I regret is not present — on Garda numbers. The Garda station in Coolock is currently down five community gardaí. Up to six more community gardaí are required for the area to have a quality service.

We also have the scandal of the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform claiming he is on top of crime when we have gangland murders in the city, yet nobody appears to care. Addicts are dying on our streets but because they are poor working class people, nobody appears to care. These are the issues we must tackle. The Garda Síochána and communities must be part of the plan. We must help drug addicts and get rid of pushers. We must also face up to the increase in the sale of cocaine throughout the country. It is going into every community in the city, not just poor and disadvantaged areas. We must wake up to this problem.

I request the Government to implement the programme for Government and increase the number of Garda by 2,000. It should also reconsider the closure of Garda stations, which should never be an option. I urge Deputies to support the motion.

Gabhaim buíochas le mo chomhghleacaithe as ucht a gcuid ama a roinnt liom. Tá an Comhaontas Glas ag tacú leis an rún seo agus tá gá mór leis.

It is important particularly to bring a sense of reality to the debate regarding the people I represent in Dublin North when we read the Government response to the motion that is peppered with words like "welcomes", "congratulates" and "commends" the Government. Deputy Finian McGrath referred to Coolock being down five community gardaí. Coolock station is part of the Dublin metropolitan region to which Swords and Malahide also belong. It is important to bear in mind the low morale evident among gardaí, certainly in the Dublin region. It is important the Government notes this because it is not just a matter of addressing structural issues; it is a matter of resources. That low morale is due to increased violence, anti-social behaviour, intimidation and general dysfunctional behaviour in communities which too often are intimidated by a small group of people. Gardaí are in the front line and a number of them have said to me they are too old to get kicked about. They are taking any opportunity they can to retire before their time, particularly in view of the Government's intention to increase the age of retirement. This is exacerbating the issue of resources.

A death has given rise to another vacancy among the Garda in Balbriggan. Overall, in the Balbriggan district, which is in my area, Garda numbers are down by nine due to retirement, transfers and the death to which I referred. The population in this area has risen from 10,000 to 36,000 due to the level of rezoning, in addition to the effects of the spatial strategy on the population.

Even if things were standing still, we would be faced with a lack of resources for the Garda Síochána, but they are not. In Rush there are now two gardaí and one sergeant where 12 months ago there were four gardaí and one sergeant. One has been transferred and one has retired. In Lusk there are three gardaí and one sergeant who have to cope with all the demands of Oberstown and Trinity House which includes escort duty to courts and travel all around the country from that small station based in a village which is expanding at an enormous rate. New houses are being occupied every day in that area. Skerries is not at full strength either due to injury and other reasons. Garristown is another area depending on two gardaí and one sergeant. If one were to go back to 1979 or even back to 1988, one would see greater resources than we have today, although the population is soaring in this area. The Government has lost touch with the reality of the needs in this area and the needs have also grown.

A special drugs unit is in existence since 2000 because of the increased problem with drugs. In my area, the need for that drugs unit is palpable. Before that, the Special Branch dealt with drugs related crime and subversives. The needs are increasing all the time and the Government has lost touch with reality. The Garda is put in an invidious position. One garda in a squad car who comes across a fairly angry and perhaps even drunken crowd cannot call for back up. Gardaí are expected to put their lives and certainly their health on the line. The Government has to answer for the positions in which they are putting many members of the Garda Síochána. In addition they have to face parents who come down to the station to demand the return of drink which had been taken from under age children. Gardaí are caught in the pincer movement of irresponsible parents in some cases and lack of resources to deal with the situations they face.

The Minister is ironically creating a climate for vigilantism. Because of the limitations on Garda resources he is, in effect, outsourcing community policing to unaccountable private individuals who are outside the law. Some people find that satisfactory but it is not satisfactory to me or the Green Party. We need resources to support the neighbourhood watch schemes, the Balbriggan awareness of drugs schemes, the parent-to-parent courses and all the people who are trying to address the issue on a voluntary basis and who need support along with the Garda Síochána. The Government is falling down in its responsibility. It has broken its promise to the people at the last election.

I wish to share my time with Deputies Connaughton, Murphy and Seán Ryan.

The level of serious crime is increasing. The incidence of rape of women has increased by 29%, of section 4 rape by 16%, of aggravated sexual assault by 200% and of burglaries by 6% in the first three months of this year. The number of robberies of cash and goods in transit has risen by 53% and the discharge of firearms has also risen by the same figure. The Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform is not on this planet when he says the figures indicate crime levels have decreased. Some 25,572 incidents took place in the first quarter of 2004. Within that figure minor crime reduced marginally but serious crime increased dramatically.

Another area of concern is the administration of bail, which is a shambles. The Bail Act 1997 provides that people arrested and remanded on bail who subsequently fail to present themselves to the court forfeit the bail lodged. It also requires the Courts Service to collect any balance unpaid. This has failed. In 2001 a total of 6,250 bench warrants relating to the period 1998 to 2001 were outstanding, representing 21% of all bench warrants issued. My information is that the corresponding figures for 2003 are higher. Crime pays in many instances because the bail on which people are remanded and which they forfeit is often never collected even though they can pay it. In 2001, the Courts Service computer system recorded €638,125 as the amount forfeited due to breach of bail conditions. However, only €20,000 was collected and paid over to the Garda.

In 2002-03 unexecuted bench warrants increased at an annual rate of about one quarter of the number issued, yet the Minister says we are dealing with crime. What about the victims of crime? Unexecuted bench warrants mean people are never brought into court. If they are and pay some amount such as €500 to the judge, they get away without paying the remainder or ever being brought back to court. How can the Minister stand over that?

In the past six years, 103 reports have been submitted by the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform. This is an indictment of the Minister's inability to deal with the issue, especially at a time when Garda stations are being closed. Not only that, the Courts Service has failed and the administration of bail is a shambles. In condoning this rise in crime where people are brought to court, get out on bail and pay no more, the Minister is saying that crime pays. The figures can be audited and checked. I want the Minister to explain to the House how he can stand over this level of crime and the shambles of the bail system. It is a joke that people can go to court and get away without paying the full bail and that there are so many unexecuted warrants.

The figures for the first quarter of 2004 say it all. There is an increase of 53% in the discharge of firearms and also in the incidence of robberies of cash or goods in transit. The situation is so bad that the business community does not report crimes to the Garda because it feels it is a waste of time to do so. That is how bad the situation is. Those of us on the Committee of Public Accounts know how inaccurate these statistics and figures can be. The figures are only part of what has been recorded. What are the unrecorded figures? They would be five times these figures in the first quarter of 2004.

This is a serious issue in every town, village and community. It is outrageous to hear the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, Deputy McDowell, sermonising about the closure of Garda stations because these provide the only sense of security in a community. What will happen with people's security systems that are linked to Garda stations? This is part of the Eircom service, but how much does the State get from Eircom for the service which promotes security watch in private homes and which rings through to the local Garda station? Will it now ring to a voicemail in a Garda station? Is that the sort of security the State will provide?

Robberies from private homes and businesses occur at a daily rate of 360 in small villages and rural areas. These robberies are carried out by gangs from cities who come to the towns and villages and rob petrol stations and small retailers. The Government has failed in its duty and judging by what I have heard from the Minister on the issue, he should resign.

Where is the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform? I do not wish to show disrespect to the Minister of State at the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, Deputy Gallagher, but on an issue of this importance the Minister should be present. It is not enough that he should come in, deliver what he has to say and then buzz off. That arrogance is what is wrong with the Government and is why it got the works at last week's local and European elections. The Government is so arrogant it believes it knows everything. The Minister should be sitting opposite us during this debate. This is the national Parliament conducting a national debate on crime and the Garda Síochána. He should be present to listen.

The electorate bought into the promise made before the most recent general election by Fianna Fáil and the Progressive Democrats that 2,000 extra gardaí would be recruited. We cannot blame it for buying into the promise because people knew there were not enough gardaí on the beat. What the public did not know was that the Government did not have the slightest intention of appointing 2,000 extra gardaí. The Government was reacting — something it was good at until last week — to the research analysis and the private opinion polls which informed it that this was something the electorate wanted to hear. However, the Government was not in office a week when the Minister for Finance decided to place a bar on recruitment. This happened in the first week of the new Government. There was nothing the public could do about it at the time but having waited two years, the people delivered their verdict when they got the chance.

One of the most important elements of a democracy such as ours is that every Member of the Oireachtas owes it to the electorate to ensure that every man, woman and child can go about their lawful business day or night without being mugged or kicked around by drunken louts who appear on the streets of every town and village, especially at weekends. This problem of offences against the person has created fear and anxiety in society.

Deputy Perry was right about the crime figures. The Minister was at pains to point out decreases in the figures and there was an overall drop. However, he did not point out the figures for crimes that are not reported. Where can crimes be reported late at night? For example, a small town with a few hundred youngsters in it, the majority of whom are sane and responsible, may be infiltrated by the louts about whom I spoke, thereby giving rise to mayhem. The result is one or two gardaí in a squad car at 2 a.m. or 3 a.m. trying to control 200 or 300 people. It is an unfair battle the gardaí cannot win. The reason people are afraid is that when they go out about their business, no gardaí in uniform can be seen as they would expect. Gardaí on the beat are the only visible sign that the State has the security of the people and the community at heart.

I do not want to be personal about this issue. However, I have never yet seen a Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform with such hindsight as this Minister. The vision he has in hindsight is wonderful. When it comes down to brass necks, this Minister would do justice to a brass monkey. There is no question that this man has the answer to everything but it is not happening on the ground. There are areas of the country where if something is not done very quickly, there will be an even more hostile reaction at the next poll because this is what people want.

When this Government first came to power seven years ago, a large part of its manifesto was based on law and order. For the two previous years, the then Opposition spokesmen hounded the Minister, Nora Owen, on law and order issues. Nora Owen was an excellent Minister for Justice and her performance in the Department reflected the strong stand taken by Fine Gael on law and order since the foundation of the State. Fine Gael has a strong commitment to democracy and is against terrorism. The party has always stood firmly behind the institutions of the State, particularly the Garda Síochána. The force was one of the first pillars of the State instituted by the Provisional Government in 1923. Fine Gael has given it unequivocal support with no hesitation and no secret deals to undermine its authority.

For the past five years under this Government, all the talk about zero tolerance came to nothing. The Minister, DeputyJohn O'Donoghue, talked the talk but failed to live up to the expectations he had created. The nation suffered five years of failed policies, inept management and a constant increase in crime rates. People elected that Government in the hope that the young and the old could walk the streets safely and the elderly could be safe in their homes. People hoped that younger people could go out late at night without the fear of being mugged. The then Government made a deliberate effort to distort the real crime figures before the last general election. It did not release the new figures until well after the election. The reality was that after five years of Fianna Fáil and the Progressive Democrats in power, the crime figures were worse than ever.

All was going to change with a new Government and a new Progressive Democrats Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform. He was armed with manifesto commitments that would solve all our law and order problems. The Progressive Democrats manifesto stated the party would increase the strength of the Garda Síochána by 2,000 members. An Agreed Programme for Government stated the Government would complete the current expansion of the Garda Síochána and increase recruitment so that numbers would increase by a further 2,000. The electorate again bought this package. The difference on this occasion was it was being promised by the PDs and the PD watchdog as Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform would deliver. The irony is the Minister knew that unless there was significant expenditure on training facilities, Templemore did not have the capacity to deliver anything near 2,000 extra gardaí.

Crime levels continue to rise with 20,000 more crimes committed each year and nearly 3,000 crimes committed daily. This is a clear indictment of this Minister and this Government. This is just one other area in which the Government has failed to honour its election commitments. We are now facing the prospect of the closure of Garda stations. This is from a Government that has made such a song and dance about decentralisation, once-off rural housing, while at the same time closing down Garda stations in rural areas. This Government has already collaborated with the closing of many rural post offices and rural schools and the loss of teachers in other schools. People will now be forced to live in rural isolated areas without the protection of their local Garda station.

When will this Government realise that the only way to reduce crime is by having a more noticeable presence of gardaí on the streets, more gardaí on the beat, more gardaí targeting crime hot spots? Additional resources are required for both crime prevention and enforcement as well as providing special education and employment programmes for deprived communities. The watchdog Minister is doing no better than his zero tolerance predecessor.

I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak on and support the Fine Gael Private Members' motion on the Garda Síochána. For some considerable time, the Opposition parties have been identifying and highlighting crime as one of the major issues of concern to people throughout the length and breadth of the country. As with many other issues, this Government was not prepared to listen. Instead it produced statistics to endeavour to convince the public, and more importantly and worryingly, itself, that a problem did not exist. It was given its answer during the recent canvass for the local and European elections and in the ballot box last Friday. This Government will ignore that message at its peril.

The majority of people want to live and rear their families in a community that is safe and secure. People want to be able to walk the streets of our cities, towns and villages freely and without fear. Unfortunately, this is anything but the reality. Crime, including drug-related crime and anti-social behaviour, is making life miserable for too many people of all ages. As the Labour Party spokesperson on older people's issues, I am deeply concerned about the effect of crime and anti-social behaviour on older people.

My constituency of Dublin North is one of the fastest growing areas in the country. The lack of Garda resources is a matter of grave concern for the people living in the growth areas of Portmarnock, Malahide and Swords, which has a population of nearly 30,000. It is of concern to those living in Donabate, Lusk, Rush, Skerries, Balbriggan and the rural areas of Fingal between the N1 and the N2. The current manning levels are more appropriate to the levels of 20 years ago when our towns were little more than villages. The current resources in terms of gardaí and cars is inadequate to cater for the daily demands of the public. Community policing where it exists, is working. However, it is non-existent within the housing estates at a time when it is needed. Prior to the general election in 2002, we were promised an extra 2,000 gardaí. Before the local elections the Taoiseach recycled that promise that 2,000 gardaí would be provided. The Minister of State is well aware of the problem, namely, that Templemore is inadequate and cannot produce the trained gardaí that are required. The Labour Party recommended and would implement the provision of a new training unit in Dublin to meet existing requirements.

A new model of policing is also needed to restore the link between the gardaí and the community which has broken down in some areas. As I stated earlier, part of the solution lies in community policing based in the local estates.

I fear for my constituents who have reared their children over the last 20 years. At a time when they should be enjoying themselves, they are being harassed and intimidated in their own homes by groups of young gurriers loitering outside and damaging their property and cars. I do not know how the Minister of State or Government backbenchers feel, but I feel very inadequate when constituents bring those concerns to my notice. They tell me they have been in contact with the Garda. If they are lucky, gardaí will arrive after three hours or perhaps the next day because of lack of resources. This matter is of major concern and must be dealt with.

Maintaining good Garda morale is very important. The issues I want the Minister to address are the absence of performance appraisal in the Garda Síochána and the lack of transparency in the promotion system. Why should a responsible, concerned, highly qualified garda retain his or her enthusiasm for the job when promotion is not based on suitability but on what senior politician he, she or his or her family knows or whose back he or she rubs? We must remove politics from promotion in the Garda Síochána to get the right people to do the job required and the Government must implement the policies it promised but has failed to deliver.

Regrettably, the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform is travelling to Russia this evening on Government business. As the measures he outlined in the House last night indicate, there can be no doubt of the Government's commitment to fighting crime and ensuring that the Garda Síochána has the proper resources with which to do this.

The initial target of 12,000 members was achieved before the end of 2003, the highest ever strength of the Garda Síochána and this year its strength will be further increased to 12,200. The Government remains firmly committed to proceeding thereafter to increase the strength of the force to 14,000 members.

On a more general issue of Garda resources, I remind the House that the Minister secured an increase in the Garda Vote for 2004 of €91 million, or 9.5%, over the 2003 Estimate of €954 million. The Garda budget is now at an historic high, having reached €1.054 billion, and the resources secured for the force constitute an increase of 75% over the figure allocated in 1997. The budget provides €7.5 million for Garda overtime to take account of the increased workload associated with our hosting of the EU Presidency and to ensure, as far as possible, that normal policing resources are not diverted during the six month Presidency period.

The strategic management initiative in the Garda Síochána has been under way since 1997 and, already, important and far-reaching recommendations in the Garda SMI report on performance and accountability have been included in the Garda Síochána Bill 2004.

The final report of the Garda SMI steering group, which the Minister made available to the House yesterday, deals with reform of important aspects of the organisation and structure of the Garda Síochána. The report makes recommendations on the use of Garda stations in the Dublin metropolitan region only. It proposes four different types of station based on public demand, ranging from divisional headquarters with offices, custody suites, staff facilities and a public office on a 24-hour basis, to public offices which would open for between one and eight hours per day to facilitate the various requirements of the public. The objective of reduced public opening hours is to get gardaí out from behind public counters at times when there is little demand for their services and out on the beat on the streets of the city where they are needed.

Other key recommendations of the report include the restructuring of Garda headquarters and regions to ensure better emphasis on strategy, planning, evaluation and performance management, and improved processes and procedures in many other management areas.

All the recommendations, each of which is important in its own respect, will fall to be considered for implementation as part of an ongoing process of Garda reform, which has already begun to deliver tangible results. As the Minister explained yesterday evening, while no decisions have been made on the recommendations, with the new measures provided for in the Garda BilI, they will provide the Garda Commissioner with a broad basis for advancing the programme of reform within the Garda Síochána.

As the Minister clearly stated, there is no grand plan to close Garda stations. The Commissioner has significant resources at his disposal in terms of a well-trained and highly motivated force, specialised units, infrastructural assets, and technical assistance to respond to the challenges of the fight against crime.

The Minister also announced that the provisional headline crime figures for the first quarter of 2004 show a decrease of 6% when compared to the same quarter last year. While there has been an increase in individual categories, reductions of 36% in murder, 54% in sexual assault and 41% in false imprisonment have been recorded.

The Government is not content with focusing only on the effects of crime. Community alert and neighbourhood watch schemes contribute and support in a practical way the work of the Garda in tackling crime. It is only with the full co-operation of local communities that the Garda Síochána can be truly effective in the ongoing fight against crime.

As the House is aware, Garda youth diversion projects are a community based, multi-agency crime prevention initiative, which seeks to divert young persons from becoming involved, or further involved, in anti-social or criminal behaviour through the provision of suitable activities designed to enhance personal development, promote civic responsibility and improve long-term employability prospects. Through their efforts the projects also contribute to improving the quality of life in communities and enhancing relations between communities, young people and local gardaí. The success of these projects has resulted in their number growing from 12 in 1997 to 64 at present. This progress was made possible, in part, by funding allocated under the National Development Plan 2000-2006.

The amendment commends the unprecedented legislative reform the Government has introduced over the past seven years. I remind the House that 24 items of criminal legislation have been enacted in this period. Currently, eight Bills to reform the criminal law are on the Dáil and Seanad Order Papers, including the Criminal Justice (Joint Investigation Teams) Bill, which is scheduled to complete Report and Final Stage in the Dáil this evening.

A further 11 proposed criminal law reform Bills are at various stages of preparation. Earlier this year, the Minister published the scheme of a revised criminal justice Bill, the aim of which is to provide that the Garda Síochána has at its disposal the necessary legislative framework to allow for the proper investigation and prosecution of crime. The legislation is a comprehensive package of anti-crime measures which will impact on all types of crime. I commend the amendment to the House.

I support the motion. While the latest crime figures to which the Minister referred show a reduction in crime, they also show worrying increases in certain categories of serious offences. Firearms offences, for example, increased by 53% over the period covered by the report, while the number of burglaries increased by 6%. Most worrying, the number of rapes of females increased substantially and the figure has been substantiated by Rosemary Daly, a spokesperson for the Dublin Rape Crisis Centre, who stated that her organisation had received calls relating to 283 rapes in January and February alone. The use of firearms and offences against females are two very worrying aspects of recent crime figures. We have a serious crime problem and the Minister has no reason to crow about figures this evening.

On the canvass recently, Deputies will have encountered examples of victims of crime failing to report them. Unfortunately, in some instances where crimes were reported, the Garda did not have sufficient resources to give them immediate attention and in a few cases, they did not do so until several days after the crime had been committed. The Minister must give the Government point of view but he, too, is aware that we have a very serious law and order problem.

The Garda has acquired many new responsibilities, even in the past ten years. The force is finding it very difficult to handle the increased complexity of crime and much more is expected of gardaí. For example, they must do much more reporting and their reports must be more detailed and precise than previously; otherwise their evidence may not stand up in court.

Being a member of the Garda Síochána is a much more complex job than it was 20 years ago. For this reason, if we want to protect people and guarantee their security, we need more gardaí. There is no doubt that one of the main vote winners for the Government during the previous general election campaign was its commitment to recruit 2,000 additional gardaí. That figure will not be achieved by the next general election and it will be a major issue during the campaign. Even if one only considers the need to replace retiring gardaí and that Templemore cannot handle a large number of recruits at one time, it becomes clear that it will not be possible to reach the figure of 14,000 gardaí, to which the Minister for Defence referred this evening and the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform last night.

Rural Garda stations are a very important issue. As a Deputy from a rural constituency, I hear people voice concerns about the presence of a garda in their village or parish. The Government should introduce a policy that ensures a continuous Garda presence in little villages nationwide. A garda is more than a law enforcer. He or she also supports people in various ways, whether by providing assistance in completing forms, giving advice or offering security, particularly to elderly people who live on their own. They need to know there is someone nearby on whom they can call.

I refer to Castleisland, which has a population of 3,000. The Garda operates out of a small rented building, which is totally inadequate. The OPW has been negotiating the acquisition of a new site for two years. Sites are available but there is no commitment to buying a site. I would like the Minister to refer this issue to the OPW.

I welcome the opportunity to contribute to the debate. This is an extremely important issue. The motion has achieved something in that the Minister has finally published the report on Garda structures and organisation, which has been on his desk for his past six months. His contribution last night was amusing. He brushed off the statements of Fine Gael Members that the report had been delayed. He said it was absurd to say it had been suppressed. He attempted to pass over the delay by saying careful consideration of the proposals was warranted before the publication of the report and the response to it, which I accept. He then asserted the Opposition could not claim the report was secret because he published it on his Department's website yesterday. However, that does not take from the legitimacy of our claim that it was secret for the past six months. Publication of the report yesterday does not detract from that assertion.

The report raises a number of serious concerns. The word "reorganisation" sounds sensible and necessary. However, the report needs to be more closely examined. The reorganisation of Garda divisions, regions and districts in the Minister's report means reducing the number of regions by one, the number of divisions by five and the number of districts by between 20 and 32. It is also intended that detective resources will be moved from districts to divisions, thereby lessening the seniority of Garda rank at district level.

According to the statistics, the reason most people call to Garda stations is to obtain a garda's signature on an application form for a passport or driver's licence and they do so during regular office hours in between 80% and 90% of cases. However, the remaining 10% to 20% of Garda work is the most crucial and people depend on it most. People want access to gardaí when they need them, not only during office hours. If one knew when one would need a garda, one would not have a problem.

Naturally, the districts due to be axed have not been named in the report. The decision has instead been passed on to the Garda Commissioner because he is not an elected official and there will not be repercussions if he makes the announcement rather than the Minister or the Government. Foisting the task on him is the ultimate in political cowardice. The Government should have the courage to name the 20 to 32 districts due to be axed. We will apportion blame for the downgrading of districts to the Government, not the Garda Commissioner.

The Minister stated no Garda stations will be closed while the Minister for Defence stated there is no grand plan to close them. We must wait and see. However, reducing the number of districts will have the same effect by making the service more remote and less accessible to those who need it. In addition, this will mean the loss of superintendent posts in these districts. When I was a child the Government of the day said rural Garda stations would not be closed and I accept many remain but they are empty most of the time. Gardaí are present for short fixed periods. I have met gardaí in such stations and they say when they get to the station their time is so short they just about get to open the post that has arrived since their previous visit before travelling to another station or returning to the main station. Rural stations are, therefore, closed. One does not have to be a criminal genius to work out what hours gardaí are present in many areas in rural Ireland. Criminals, therefore, know when to go about their business and it is much easier for them to do so.

The Government's amendment refers to its commitment to achieving a force strength of 14,000 members. Commitment is not the same as delivery. The Government can remain committed to every promise it made to the electorate. It promised to deliver 2,000 gardaí but that does mean they will be recruited. By maintaining the promise, the Government is deluding itself that it will increase the force's strength. The Minister for Defence is more aware of the position in the Garda training college at Templemore than the rest of us, given that it is in his constituency. The college only has the capacity to train 690 recruits annually and, therefore, it could not train an additional 2,000 gardaí by 2007. It is a nonsense to insist this can be done.

The Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform stated he is considering moving phase 5 of Garda training elsewhere but he does not know where or how it will be done. If it is to happen, it is about time he informed us how it will be done. I refer to Garda strength. He stated the strength of the force is in excess of 12,000 and this was achieved for the first time in 2003. That is not true. In reply to a parliamentary question, he stated Garda strength on 1 January 2003 was 11,895 while on 23 February 2004 he stated it was 11,920. When did Garda strength exceed 12,000? This means that 147 additional gardaí have been recruited since the Minister took office. He has a long way to go.

The amendment also welcomes the recent decrease in the level of recorded crime and the success of the Garda in combating public order offences. I also congratulate the Garda but the Minister is producing statistics that are cloaked in political spin. When one examines the statistics, one finds the truth. Since 1998, the first full first year the coalition parties spent in office, the number of crimes committed annually has increased by almost 20,000. The Minister should not clap himself on the back. Between 1998 and 2002, the number of crimes increased from 85,000 to 106,000 annually. Deputy Jim O'Keeffe asked the Minister earlier at a meeting of the Select Committee on Justice, Equality, Defence and Women's Rights to outline his benchmark for crime levels. His benchmark is 2002 because recorded crime was particularly high. It will look good for him if he chooses the figures from this year. In addition, one in five crimes is not reported, as highlighted by Fine Gael's research in conjunction with the MRBI. It is little wonder the public feels less safe.

I welcome the publication of the Garda Bill which contains many welcome provisions. It is worrying, however, that these provisions will radically alter the relationship between the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform and the Garda. Deputy McDowell thinks he should be the Minister and the Garda Commissioner at the same time. I have a major problem with that. He proposes to politicise the office of Garda Commissioner and I will oppose that at every turn. Why has the Bill been stuck in the Seanad since March?

The motion was drafted in an attempt to have the report on Garda structures published. That has happened but the report needs to be studied because some of its conclusions will not improve the situation. I do not see an improvement for people, particularly those in rural Ireland, and people in our cities will not feel more comfortable either. The response from the Government is only to be expected and it looks like it has no real determination to improve things. Presumably members of the Government feel we are the ones harping on about the 2,000 extra gardaí but the Government made that promise and it will have to deliver on it. I want a clear outline of how that will be done because Templemore simply does not have the capacity to produce those gardaí within this time frame.

Amendment put.
The Dáil divided: Tá, 54; Níl, 39.

  • Ahern, Dermot.
  • Ahern, Noel.
  • Andrews, Barry.
  • Ardagh, Seán.
  • Brady, Johnny.
  • Brennan, Seamus.
  • Browne, John.
  • Callanan, Joe.
  • Carty, John.
  • Cassidy, Donie.
  • Collins, Michael.
  • Coughlan, Mary.
  • Cowen, Brian.
  • Cullen, Martin.
  • Curran, John.
  • de Valera, Síle.
  • Dempsey, Noel.
  • Dempsey, Tony.
  • Dennehy, John.
  • Devins, Jimmy.
  • Ellis, John.
  • Fahey, Frank.
  • Fitzpatrick, Dermot.
  • Fleming, Seán.
  • Gallagher, Pat The Cope.
  • Glennon, Jim.
  • Grealish, Noel.
  • Hanafin, Mary.
  • Haughey, Seán.
  • Hoctor, Máire.
  • Keaveney, Cecilia.
  • Kelleher, Billy.
  • Lenihan, Brian.
  • Lenihan, Conor.
  • McCreevy, Charlie.
  • McEllistrim, Thomas.
  • Moloney, John.
  • Moynihan, Donal.
  • Moynihan, Michael.
  • Mulcahy, Michael.
  • Nolan, M. J.
  • O’Connor, Charlie.
  • O’Donnell, Liz.
  • O’Donovan, Denis.
  • Parlon, Tom.
  • Power, Seán.
  • Sexton, Mae.
  • Smith, Brendan.
  • Smith, Michael.
  • Treacy, Noel.
  • Wallace, Dan.
  • Wallace, Mary.
  • Wilkinson, Ollie.
  • Wright, G. V.

Níl

  • Broughan, Thomas P.
  • Bruton, Richard.
  • Burton, Joan.
  • Connaughton, Paul.
  • Connolly, Paudge.
  • Coveney, Simon.
  • Cowley, Jerry.
  • Crowe, Seán.
  • Deasy, John.
  • Deenihan, Jimmy.
  • Durkan, Bernard J.
  • Enright, Olwyn.
  • Ferris, Martin.
  • Gilmore, Eamon.
  • Harkin, Marian.
  • Higgins, Joe.
  • Lynch, Kathleen.
  • McCormack, Padraic.
  • McGinley, Dinny.
  • McGrath, Finian.
  • McHugh, Paddy.
  • McManus, Liz.
  • Morgan, Arthur.
  • Moynihan-Cronin, Breeda.
  • Murphy, Gerard.
  • Noonan, Michael.
  • Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín.
  • Ó Snodaigh, Aengus.
  • O’Shea, Brian.
  • O’Sullivan, Jan.
  • Penrose, Willie.
  • Perry, John.
  • Ring, Michael.
  • Ryan, Seán.
  • Sargent, Trevor.
  • Sherlock, Joe.
  • Shortall, Róisín.
  • Stagg, Emmet.
  • Wall, Jack.
Tellers: Tá, Deputies Hanafin and Kelleher; Níl, Deputies Durkan and Stagg.
Amendment declared carried.
Motion, as amended, agreed to.
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