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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 18 Nov 2004

Vol. 592 No. 5

Road Traffic Bill 2004: Second Stage (Resumed).

Question again proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second time."

Many people would have quite a lot to say about this Bill when it comes to their daily experience. In this House, we have to recognise that the planning we are making nowadays will not be simply a matter of concern for this generation, but will be a legacy in the future. The debate on this Bill has focused on the issue of speed limits and that is of immense importance. We in the Green Party are anxious to take on board the current concern about road traffic which focuses on speed and road safety. Given the carnage on our roads, this is close to everyone in this House but it is particularly poignant in the light of the horrific head-on collision which involved the car of the Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht affairs, Deputy Ó Cuív. On behalf of the Green Party, I would like to pass on good wishes for a speedy recovery to all those involved. I understand the American tourists were the most critically injured and they are very much in our thoughts. We should learn something from that horrific incident and bring it to bear in this legislation, or if necessary, through further regulation and reform.

Someone can fly to this country from anywhere in the world and land with all the personal strain of having travelled so far and can then directly hire a car. That person might be unfamiliar with the locality, not to mention the rules of the road, but can drive wherever he or she may wish, not knowing where he or she is going. It really is surprising that there are not more serious accidents of the type that involved the Minister's car. All of us in this House should take stock of that. It cannot be said that we have not been warned. I urge all of those involved, particularly those in the car hire sector, to recognise that there is a serious issue that cannot be overlooked.

I do not think it is appropriate for us in the House to apportion blame when the accident is still being investigated.

I thank the Ceann Comhairle for reminding me of that. I do not mean to apportion responsibility. I am simply saying that it would be worth looking at current regulations and I hope we can avoid accidents in the future. In the debate on this legislation, avoiding accidents should be at the front of every speaker's mind. As a motorist, a cyclist and a pedestrian, the Ceann Comhairle will be aware that road traffic is an issue for everyone. Sometimes we feel it is only an issue for motorists, which is an indication of the dominance of the car lobby in this House. It is also an indication of the horrors of motorcar accidents, as these accidents are graphically presented on newspaper covers on a daily basis. It has been independently proven that vehicle speed on roads causes most accidents. That comes down to speed limits. We presume that if a car can go fast, then it should be accommodated. We should have realised by now that we need to focus on the optimum speed of a vehicle, rather than its ability to go fast. I do not doubt that the 30 mph speed limit has been the norm in built-up areas in this jurisdiction. We should take stock of that as we change to kilometres per hour. The metrification process should be seen as an opportunity to reduce speed limits. People should be helped to get used to a speed limit of 30 kph rather than 30 mph. The change will be of benefit to all road users because it will bring us into line with the many countries, which use the metric system, as well as introducing the latest road safety developments to this country.

It is clear that Ireland, whether by default or design, has become the most car-dependent country in the world. I base that assertion on the number of miles travelled by cars in Ireland compared with other countries. A change is needed in this regard, not only in the interests of road safety but also because a substantial amount of energy is required to maintain Ireland's infamous position in the international league table. It is not as if Ireland is like Iraq which has extensive oil wells or the United States which has a major centre of the motor industry in Detroit. It cannot be argued that we have a warped patriotic duty to burn as much energy as possible and to drive our cars as far as possible.

Ireland, which is the fifth most oil-dependent country in the world, is vulnerable because it does not have security of oil supply. It needs to import copious levels of energy to get by on a day-to-day basis in the manner to which we have become accustomed. As it does not have a motor manufacturing industry, all cars must be imported which involves the expatriation of considerable moneys. The plan's economic, health and safety and environmental effects will be very damaging. It will impair our ability to enjoy a reasonable quality of life and to be reasonably content. I urge the Government to take stock of where we are in this regard. The Road Traffic Bill 2004 gives us an opportunity for such reflection.

One of the merits of the Green Party's policy of reducing speed limits is that it will lead to a reduction in fuel consumption. It is a sensible suggestion on every front. It will protect human life, make the streets safer for other road users and lead to a reduction in the number of road casualties. I urge the Government to accept the amendments, which will be proposed by the Green Party on Committee Stage in an attempt to reduce speed limits.

All Deputies are accustomed to seeing speed cameras at various locations but many of us are convinced that most of the cameras do not work. It seems that drivers can speed past them without being penalised. Many people do not have confidence in the enforcement of the road traffic laws. They think the steps which have been taken are token gestures or mere deterrents rather than enforcement measures. Word gets around in a small country. Many people consider that the Government's inability or unwillingness to resource traffic management properly and to enforce road traffic laws strictly is an indication of its lack of seriousness in respect of road safety. The Green Party favours the installation of more speed cameras which work and will lead to enforcement.

As we engage in constituency work, Deputies often hear complaints about the theft of cars, especially by minors. Such actions often result in carnage, frustration and damage to property. The Bill needs to restrict the sale of cars to minors. This matter does not seem to be taken seriously enough. It seems that cars can be sold to minors who then drive them without insurance or the necessary paperwork. Such people often cause significant damage to themselves and others. It is unforgivable that such problems continue to recur. There has been a great deal of hand-wringing about what is ubiquitously and unfortunately called "joyriding", even though it generally causes misery rather than joy.

The highly organised car theft culture seems to be run as a business. Many cars have been stolen in my locality. My next door neighbour, unfortunately, is one of those who have had motor vehicles stolen from outside their houses. No trace is found of many of the cars, which are taken, but there is a supposition that they have been taken to a port to be transported to another jurisdiction. I have asked in the Dáil on many occasions why one is not required to provide proof of ownership at our ports when one is bringing a car outside the country. Such a measure would quickly end the lucrative and illicit trade in stolen cars.

The Green Party's spokesman on transport, Deputy Eamon Ryan, has raised the issue of road planning on many occasions. I do not doubt that the Government is in a position to make critical and strategic decisions on road development. Unlike the local authorities, it controls decision making and holds the purse strings in this regard. It can guarantee that the provision of roads by the National Roads Authority and local authorities is dictated centrally by the Departments of Transport and the Environment, Heritage and Local Government. Many roads are being built in the expectation that they will be around for many years to come. Much more light will be thrown on this matter tonight, during a lecture organised by the sustainable economics foundation Feasta. I cannot speak further on it in the time available to me.

We have taken the provision of energy for granted for a long time, but we face an international sea change in that regard. Many roads which are being constructed at present will still be in use when we reach peak global oil production, which could happen in 2007, 2008, 2010, 2020 or 2025. Some commentators in the geophysics sector believe that peak oil production has already been reached. It will be a painful wake-up call for many people whenever it happens. The Government has a responsibility not to leave people in the dark and say that it did not know, when building those roads, that there would be enormous difficulty in supplying the energy required for people to drive on them in future. The price of oil is like the price of drugs or anything else in that it is a matter of supply and demand. The current increase in price is a clear reflection of uncertainty surrounding oil production. It is not just about the war in Iraq or storms in the Gulf of Mexico, it is about uncertainty over production alongside all those other factors.

It is strange that the Government continues to deny expert opinions, including some from the oil production sector, that have made it very clear that we must prepare for change. I recently addressed a breakfast meeting of the Dublin Chamber of Commerce at which I made these points. It was interesting that a member of the audience from one of the major oil companies was in absolute agreement with me. All he could say was that they were aware of it and making preparations for change so that, they hope, they will be able to dominate the market in future when oil is not so readily available.

Where does that leave the rest of us? There is not the same quantity of hydrogen, and if one wants it, one must still find energy to make it. If that energy is not available, one will not have as much hydrogen. Ultimately, roads now being built, some of them in very unfortunate areas, such as near the Hill of Tara, will be seen by many in the future as white elephants. They may be used, but not to the capacity for which they were designed. Real questions arise.

We have been discussing how the tribunals cost a fortune and that something must be done about them. However, when it comes to looking back at the design life of such roads and realising that it is not possible to meet the energy demands for which they are designed, who will say that it was not known in 2004, or whenever the roads were built or completed, that there would be a problem in 20 or 30 years? I wonder whether the Government will find itself like some of the individuals asked to appear and answer questions regarding the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, for example, on what the Government of the day knew and why it did not act. I can envisage members of this Government being called out of retirement in their dotage to say whether they were aware of the peak in oil production, something well known in 2004, and why they carried on regardless.

I welcome the opportunity to speak on this important legislation. I hope that the Minister for Transport, Deputy Cullen, and the Department will take into account some of the points raised before Committee Stage. As a former spokesperson on transport, I thank the Minister and departmental officials, who have done tremendous work in the area in recent years. I wish them the best of luck regarding this legislation and the other forthcoming Bills.

I support a system that saves lives and is fair. While there is no doubt that the penalty points system introduced by the former Minister for Transport, Deputy Brennan, has saved lives and has the potential to save thousands more, there are serious questions about its fairness. That unmarked Garda vans and cars are hidden on long, straight sections of road, with gardaí instructed to reach target quotas every month, does nothing to change the attitudes of Irish drivers. In conjunction with that, there are unacceptable speed limits. Many speakers mentioned examples of 30 mph speed limits on dual carriageways and 60 mph speed limits outside schools. I am glad the legislation is before us and I hope it will resolve some of the current crazy anomalies.

However, it is pointless putting sensible speed limits in place if the enforcement is farcical. I have great concerns about the fixed speed cameras proposed. It is critically important that they are installed to save lives rather than collect fines. How the contract for such cameras is drawn up and structured is also vital. Speed cameras will work only if they are highly visible. The one at the Spa Hotel on the N4 must be one of the most effective in the country, yet it is a high-visibility camera. The vast majority of motorists are aware that it is there, and it slows traffic down. It cannot be seen as a revenue-raising machine or cash cow for the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform.

It is critical in the context of the legislation that a structure be put in place whereby local communities can have a functioning role regarding where speed cameras are located. They know from day-to-day experience where the risks are on a specific section of road. They know better than an engineer coming from Dublin where a speed camera should be sited and traffic should be slowed down. We must get local communities involved as has been done in other countries, for example, the UK, where it has been extremely effective.

We must also examine inexperienced drivers. There is forthcoming legislation to overhaul the driver testing and training system, which is long overdue. The backlog in driving tests is crazy. It can take up to 12 months in some parts of the country for someone to obtain a driving test appointment. The previous Minister in charge of road safety in the last Government, DeputyMolloy, to his credit and that of his officials, worked hard at trying to reduce the backlog in driving tests, a task in which he succeeded.

As a result of one irresponsible comment in 2002 by the last Minister for Transport, Deputy Brennan, all that came to naught. When he announced that he was clamping down on unaccompanied drivers on provisional licences, all of a sudden the backlog was restored, yet no change has taken place regarding such unaccompanied drivers. There are also vacancies in the driving test service that, if filled, could lead to an additional 15,000 tests per annum. It would at least help alleviate the current problem, yet nothing seems to be happening on the issue.

As I said, I welcome the element of the legislation, section 9, dealing with speed limits, especially outside schools. From 1997 to 2001, 55 pedestrians and 21 cyclists under the age of 14 were killed on Irish roads. There are more child pedestrian fatalities in this country than anywhere else in the European Union. A 1 mph reduction in the average speed leads to a 5% reduction in road crashes. A sensible approach to speed limits could have a major impact, especially in urban areas and in the vicinity of schools. Such a measure was successfully implemented in Scotland a number of years ago. The speed limit was reduced by 20 mph in the vicinity of schools and built-up areas and the number of recorded accidents reduced significantly in the trial areas while the number of serious and fatal accidents reduced by 20%.

However, it is pointless introducing legislation unless local authorities adopt it wholeheartedly. I have spoken to a number of local authority officials nationwide over recent months, many of whom say the provision relating to the reduction of speed limits outside schools is impractical and cannot be implemented. It is critically important that the directors of roads services in each local authority should be brought together and given a full briefing by departmental officials to ensure the legislation is implemented because it is pointless putting it on the Statute Book otherwise.

The Department should also provide local authorities with powers under section 9 to introduce traffic management by-laws relating to pick-up and drop-off points and one way systems in the vicinity of schools. Traffic can be chaotic outside schools, especially in the morning, as drivers pull up on the side of the road and let children out of both sides of the car. This will lead to fatalities if we are not careful. While local authorities can make by-laws under current legislation, they cannot restrict their implementation to specific times of the day or periods of the year. Similar measures have been introduced regarding speed limits and local authorities should have the power to introduce by-laws relating to traffic management in and around schools during term time, especially in regard to pick-up and drop-off points. Deputy Sargent worked on this issue in the past and he produced a report, which he submitted to the Department.

Section 10 provides for speed limits near road works. The Departments of Transport and the Environment, Heritage and Local Environment should address the mess relating to signage for road works. Throughout the country, one passes warning signs to slow down because of loose chippings and so on, but there is moss growing on the signs because local authorities have not taken them down, having erected them two or three years previously. As a consequence, many drivers ignore warning signs for men at work and loose chippings because signs are left up for years, and when they encounter signs relating to a genuine risk, they ignore them. The legislation needs to be amended in this regard.

If a Member leaves an election poster up on a pole seven days after a general election, he or she is correctly prosecuted and fined. A similar provision should apply to local authorities so that when the risk of a hazard has dissipated, they should remove warning signs and not leave them in situ for a number of years. There is an onus on litter wardens to implement legislation in regard to local authorities to ensure this abuse does not continue because it is impacting on road safety.

Last Monday, the Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs was involved in an accident and, thankfully, he was not seriously hurt. I hope the two Americans who were injured in the accident will completely recover. The issue of foreigners driving on the wrong side of the road has been debated in the Oireachtas on a number of occasions. An American man who drove along the wrong side of the road one night in March 2003 was involved in a head-on collision with a car, killing his sister-in-law who was a back seat passenger. It was estimated a number of years ago that more than 11% of traffic accidents involved foreign drivers. Given that the number of road fatalities has reduced in recent years, it is probable that this percentage has increased in the same period.

The Irish Insurance Federation claims that between 10% and 15% of accidents involving hire cars are caused by tourists driving on the right hand side of the road. A total of 25,000 cars are hired annually and a warning system for foreign drivers needs to be introduced. Tourists are being encouraged to visit Ireland and a significant number is attracted. According to the latest figures, 46% of American tourists and 41% of tourists from mainland Europe travel around Ireland by car. A significant problem arises in this regard. Signage has been erected at many ports but little else has been done to improve the position. Technology has been developed so that warning devices can be fitted in cars but they have not been used.

The tax system creates a difficulty because vehicle registration tax and VAT are applied to the retail price of a vehicle, which also includes safety equipment such as enhanced brakes, seat belts or additional air bags. VAT is applied to all these features. The Department of Transport in conjunction with the Department of Finance should examine this issue prior to the budget to ensure safety equipment in vehicles is not subject to double taxation. Changes should be made to reduce VAT and VRT on hire cars in which safety devices are fitted.

Bord Fáilte realised this was a significant problem in the mid-1990s. The board produced a six-point plan to address the issue of foreigners driving on the wrong side of the road. Sadly, its plan has gathered dust since. Thankfully, we have not been discussing the death of a Member in an accident caused by a tourist driving on the wrong side of the road, but that could easily have been the case. Must we wait for more fatalities or for other Members to be involved in such accidents before action is taken on this issue? I ask the Department to examine this issue together with the Department of Finance and Fáilte Ireland. The Department of Transport has a co-ordinating role, which should be used to ensure the number of accidents involving foreign drivers, which comprise a significant percentage of road accidents, is reduced. This issue cannot be ignored if foreigners are to be encouraged to drive in the State. I do not have a difficulty with them but structures must be put in place in this regard.

I am also disappointed that the issue of spray suppression systems for heavy goods vehicles is not covered in the legislation. EU legislation on this is in place since 1989 and the United Kingdom introduced regulations on it as far back as 1984. Regulations on this issue have been in place for the past 15 years throughout the European Union, yet the Government has failed to implement any measures on it.

On a rainy day like today when many of us will leave Leinster House to travel down the country, we will be caught behind a heavy goods vehicle unable to see where we are going as a result of the spray from the rear of the vehicle in front. In many parts of the European Union driving a vehicle that raises such spray is illegal, yet we are prepared to tolerate it. The volume of heavy goods traffic on our roads is very high. Rail freight might have addressed that. However, we have significant numbers of heavy goods vehicles on our roads daily. Drivers must drive blind when they are stuck behind them trying to overtake. They cannot see what is happening in front of them because of the spray. Spray also affects cars driving on an open road when they meet one of these vehicles coming in the opposite direction. The backwash of spray on their windscreens blinds the drivers for ten or 20 seconds.

Nothing has been done on this issue. It is a great relief when the vehicle one is caught behind is a transcontinental heavy goods vehicle because they have spray suppression systems installed. They would be prosecuted outside of Ireland if they were not. However, heavy goods vehicles that do not leave Ireland do not have the system in place. The issue must be addressed because 37% of all accidents on Irish roads occur during wet weather conditions. In 2000, wet weather conditions contributed to 146 fatal and approximately 3,000 serious injury accidents. This is a major issue. The legislation exists at EU level, but for some unknown reason the Government has ignored it and has failed to implement it. If vehicles were forced to install spray suppression systems, they could be effective in reducing fatalities on our roads.

The Department should also consider introducing an amendment on Committee Stage to deal with level crossings. When I met Iarnród Éireann officials recently they informed me that in the past 12 months there has been a doubling of the number of incidents at level crossings. Some vehicles zigzag through level crossings when the barriers are down. There is a problem with regard to signage and alignment, a function of the local authorities. I hope the Department, in conjunction with the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, will address that.

The Department should also consider introducing amendments to current laws that will allow the prosecution of individuals who zigzag through the crossings. Gardaí have informed me that under current legislation it is difficult to prosecute an individual, even when provided with video evidence by Iarnród Éireann. I urge the Department to address this issue on Committee Stage to ensure this abuse does not continue as it can have fatal consequences as we saw in the United Kingdom recently.

We are great for introducing legislation. We are the best country in Europe at introducing legislation that takes money from the taxpayer and ordinary individuals. In a parliamentary question yesterday, my colleague, Deputy Paul McGrath, asked how much tax was collected from fuel, VRT and VAT. Last year the sum collected from taxpayers was €3 billion. The Government is great when it comes to taking money from hard-pressed motorists.

Deputy Naughten mentioned driving tests and the suggestion to give the contract for testing to the private sector. It should not be given to the private sector. We should instead provide more people and resources to the current driving test section. However, this will not happen. The system will be privatised so that the consumer can be ripped off again. Consider, for example, the NCT. Is it not wonderful for the Government that testing is up to date and cars can be tested on a yearly basis if necessary? How is it we cannot have the same efficiency with regard to driving tests? It is because the Government gets more money from the car tests than it does from driving tests.

If the Government was serious about road safety and learning to drive, it would start simply and put the subject on the school curriculum. It would be simple to provide that every county would have a centre where second level students could be taught the rules of the road and how to drive. Then when they were old enough, they could apply for their driving test. The subject would be on the curriculum if the Government was serious about educating drivers and putting money into road safety. However, it is not. There is a conflict of interest because the Government is more interested in taking as much tax as it can from the hard-pressed motorist.

Cars are dangerous weapons. Every day many people are killed on our roads. Some of the drivers on our roads have not had proper driver training. Every day I see people who do not know how to drive around a roundabout. We have more roads and roundabouts than ever, yet people have not been properly taught the rules of the road. If we were serious about safety, the subject would be taught in schools.

Deputy Naughten was right that signage is a problem. More accidents take place and more people are killed on our roads every year as a result of bad signage, particularly in the summer when we encourage visitors to come here. The main complaint to Fáilte Ireland concerning Dublin city and our rural roads is that people cannot find their way. Why do we not have proper signage on every road throughout the country? Why are resources not in place to do this? Again, it is because of a conflict of interest. The Government is more interested in taking tax and money from people than spending money on signage.

I remember hearing some years ago that one of my constituents was killed on his way to work by a foreign tourist who was later charged and convicted of driving on the wrong side of the road. My constituent left behind a young family. I raised the issue of signage at that time and on many other occasions. Around that time the Government began to erect signs around the country warning tourists on what side of the road they should drive. However, it took a number of accidents for this to happen.

The Government and local authorities are the greatest contributors to accidents. For example, on Tuesday morning when I was coming to Dublin I came to Charlestown where I saw a sign directing me to take a different route because the Ballaghadereen road was closed. I followed the diversion for six or seven miles without encountering another sign. I did not know whether I was on the right road. Eventually after another couple of miles I saw a small sign directing me left. There was little other signage on the route. I know the area but still found it difficult to know if I was on the correct route. What would a stranger think in the same situation? He would not know where he was.

Another great scandal here is when local authorities resurface roads but do not add a white line for several weeks. If we are serious about road safety, that is unacceptable. White lines should be put on roads as quickly as possible after roads have been resurfaced. Companies get plenty of money from the State and county councils to do this job and they should be obliged to do this work as a priority. I travel to and from Dublin city every week and I have seen this on many occasions.

When I set off from home the day before yesterday I encountered a set of temporary traffic lights five miles out the road due to road works by Mayo County Council. There was another set of temporary traffic lights at Ballaghadereen also due to joint road works by Mayo and Roscommon county councils. Some 500 yards up the road I encountered another set of temporary traffic lights where a wall was being built. A few hundred yards further on there was a fourth set of temporary traffic lights and, lo and behold, between there and Longford was a fifth set of temporary traffic lights. I do not mind traffic lights being erected when there is a need but in some cases it is doubtful whether there is a need. A certain amount of time is required for every journey but it is bad planning on the part of local authorities for one to encounter five sets of temporary traffic lights on one national primary road on one day. That should not happen. Only one job should be allowed at any one time and it should be finished before the next one begins.

As I stated to my colleague Deputy Paul McGrath yesterday, the State took in €3 billion in taxation. The biggest single complaint from motorists is the condition of our roads. I propose a test for the Minister, his departmental officials or the National Roads Authority, that they should travel from Dublin to Mayo. Speed cameras and traffic islands with lighting have become very common on roads as traffic calming measures. This is the responsibility of local authorities. I guarantee that 50% of the lighting at these points will not be working which is the cause of many accidents, as people do not see them until they hit them. It is time we tackled this problem. Legislation should be introduced to ensure that if these lights are not working they must be replaced within 24 hours.

A constituent came to my clinic recently whose tyre burst when his tyre hit a pothole. He did tremendous damage to his car that will cost him €400 or €500 to get fixed. That pothole was there for weeks. There should be a regulation to the effect that potholes, which are notified to local authorities, should be repaired within 24 hours. People pay €3 billion to the State in taxes and this is the least they can expect. They have a right to be protected by the State. If a person has no car tax he or she is fined €400 or €500 in court, yet the State will not regulate signage, ensure lights are working on traffic islands or repair potholes. There is no recourse for this dereliction of duty. We cannot have two rules in this land; we must have the same rules for citizens and the State. It is time citizens were protected.

Deputy Naughten referred to the reduction of speed limits outside schools, which I welcome. A number of people in my local area have complained about the manner in which schoolchildren cross the road. In this case there is a set of traffic lights adjacent to the school but the children do not obey the rules when crossing. Traffic is held up because they run across the road without looking up or down and vehicles are forced to give way. They should be educated on road safety. The Garda has a job to do in this regard. They should go to schools and explain the rules of the road and the purpose of traffic lights.

In his response, will the Minister tell me how many people have been prosecuted for jay walking? One can witness this phenomenon in the city every day. One has to be extremely careful when driving on the quays because even when traffic has been given the green light one person or another will take a chance to run across the road. We heard recently that most of the Luas accidents were due to car drivers breaking red lights. That is happening every day and this problem must be tackled. However, legislation on jay walking must also be implemented. It is difficult enough to drive on our roads, especially on days like today or yesterday when there has been a great deal of rain. Drivers try to be as vigilant as possible and it makes driving that much more hazardous when people jump off footpaths even though the traffic has the right of way. We all have responsibilities regarding road safety, pedestrians as well as drivers.

The greatest single complaint I get, particularly in regard to rural roads, relates to water trenches. This was not such a serious problem when we had no money, few good roads and very few people working for the State. In the past, water trenches were opened on a regular basis. There is legislation on this matter yet every time there is heavy rain we see large puddles everywhere and in some cases flooded roads. Why do local authorities not open the water tables? We have wonderful and qualified engineers who are paid enormous salaries by the State, yet when new roads are constructed they do not appear to know how to deal with drainage and water trenches. They appear to operate on the basis that they can put in wall-to-wall roads without leaving room for drainage to allow water to run off the roads.

It is time local authorities did their job properly in regard to opening water trenches, particularly on rural roads. In the past people had responsibility for keeping water off roads. When floods occurred they came out during the night and painted yellow paint on the road. The watertrenche was opened as soon as the rain stopped but this does not happen any more, which is wrong.

Another speaker referred to speed cameras. Speed cameras are also used in Britain where they work well. Perhaps we need more speed cameras. They should be properly signed as people have a right to know where they are located.

I welcome the changes regarding speed limits. People travelling from the west on the N5 go from a 70 mph zone to a 50 mph zone. It does not make sense for people to go from a 70 mph speed limit to a 50 mph speed limit on a dual carriageway with a camera located around the corner. That is not fair and is merely a means of taking money from people under false pretences. I accept that we need speed cameras and should have them in place. People need to slow down and obey the law but it does not make sense to have such varying speed limits on a dual carriageway coming in to Dublin. They go from 70 mph to 50 mph to 40 mph and 30 mph. One could drive safely at a greater speed than is specified and this matter needs to be addressed. We must take a more reasonable approach to speed limits. There is an increasing number of cars on the road because more people have more money as a result of the economy.

I urge the Minister of State and his Department to consider my proposal to teach schoolchildren how to drive. Many of them have fads for fast cars and it is only right that we provide for such lessons in the curriculum, even if it only involves teaching the rules of the road. We should make them compulsory and have them form part of tests at the end of the year. Children of 14 or 15 years of age cannot wait until they turn 17 or 18 to drive a car. Therefore, we should teach them the good habits of driving properly at a young age, rather than allowing them to be taught bad habits on dangerous roads. The scheme would cost money but it should be undertaken.

The Green Party will not like my raising this issue, about which I am not too put out. There is a daft European rule which prevents hedge-cutting in the summer months because of birds' breeding patterns. Which is more important — birds' lives or people's lives? In County Mayo, local people and tourists complain that when they contact the county council to inquire about getting hedges cut, they are informed that it cannot be done because legislation bans it between April and September. That legislation needs to be re-examined. People are entitled to have safe roads, which means having these hedges cut back. The rule is fine in cities like Paris and Dublin where there are no hedges, but it does not work in rural Ireland.

Since I entered politics, my heart has been broken every year in the summer months because of the danger caused by hedges not being cut in County Mayo and the rest of rural Ireland. It is wrong that we do nothing about this. Will the Minister of State and the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government seek a derogation from the EU to have a reasonable law in this regard because it is not right that hedges cannot be cut back during the period of prime growth between April and September? Many accidents have been caused as a result.

We can introduce all the legislation we want, and we are good at doing so, when it means taking money from the taxpayer. At the time Ireland joined the then EEC, Fianna Fáil and the Government at the time gave a commitment to the people on vehicle registration tax that if we joined the Community, we could bring a car into Ireland from any country in Europe without having to pay any tax on it. However, the Government was granted a special derogation from Europe to set up its own taxation system, which is wrong. In the next few weeks, we will discuss the EU constitution. I intend to make myself busy telling people not to vote for it unless we get the same concessions as the rest of Europe. A person from Spain or Britain can bring a car into Ireland and it will not attract tax. Why are Irish citizens again crucified by the Government? We are either in Europe or we are not. I will raise this issue and make it part of the EU constitution debate. The people will know all about it, as will the Government parties. We want the same rules and regulations as the rest of Europe. The Government took €3 billion off the taxpayer this year in VRT and other taxes.

I welcome the opportunity to speak on this Bill, the effect of which will be to transform the road traffic scene in Ireland for generations to come. The date 1 January 2005 will be a truly momentous day with the transfer of our speed limits to the metric system. This will be on a par with 1 January 2002 when the euro became Europe's first major unified currency since the Roman Empire. It will be the greatest logistical operation in the country's history when the changeover from miles to kilometres takes place on New Year's Day 2005 — in 43 days' time — yet I am not sure the public is aware these changes will take place then. I have not seen an awareness campaign in the newspapers, which should be under way.

We should begin to see more than 58,000 new metric speed limit signs being erected in the coming months in readiness for the changeover. Road distance signs have been converted to the metric system for more than ten years in a somewhat pointless exercise. When I read that the distance to a place is 80 kilometres, I still convert it to 50 miles. I buy my petrol in litres but I still convert it into gallons and try to work out how many miles per gallon I am getting. There are also difficulties in regard to measurements in sport. For example, it sounds better for one to tip a score over from 55 yards rather than 47 or 48 metres. Many people's mindset still works that way.

Motorists have continued to think using a mileage mindset irrespective of signage. Rationalisation of this semi-metric system will align Ireland with continental Europe where metric signage and speed limits are the norm. While all road signs within the past ten years used the metric system, plenty of old-fashioned imperial signs are still scattered around the country, especially in rural parts of the west and south. We should give serious consideration to retaining some of these old imperial signs because they are part of our heritage. One can walk into public houses and see genuine road signs hanging on their walls but it is not the place for them. Rather, they belong is a museum or should be allowed to remain where they are. When will we ever again see signs which read "Tydavnet 4½ miles" or "Ballybay 8¼ miles"? If we leave them in place, people will know what they were for and will remind them that we had an imperial system at one point in time. I have never seen these signs for sale and wonder whether people whip them away in the middle of the night because it is never talked about. The next thing one sees a sign hung up in a pub which reads, for example, "Carrickroe 2 miles", which intrigues me.

Meanwhile, speed limits everywhere are stated in miles per hour, irrespective of units used on other signs. The one remaining exception to the metric system in Europe will be the UK and Northern Ireland, with whom we have a common border, where it will be necessary to clarify any confusion arising from the different systems. Not alone are people in the South not aware of the change on 1 January, but people in Northern Ireland have no idea. I am from a Border area and can see we need a major awareness campaign. Quite a number of major roads cross from Northern Ireland into the South, such as the M1 motorway, and all its junctions should be well signposted.

When people in Northern Ireland see the new signs, they will think it is great that the South has caught up, not realising the signs refer to kilometres per hour, and will continue driving at 100 mph. There is an onus on us to create greater awareness because no efforts have been made to date. I can see these people saying in court that they were not aware of the change and that they saw a sign which read "100" and assumed it referred to 100 mph rather than kph. Ignorance of the law is no excuse but we should make an effort.

There are also a number of unapproved crossings between North and South. People will cross the Border and see a sign for 80 kph but no effort is being made to ensure people understand that it will refer to kilometres per hour rather than miles per hour. We should have a major awareness campaign along the Border. Approximately 25% of the fatal accidents in the country occur in the four counties of Cavan, Monaghan, Louth and Meath. There are nine major blackspots in the country, five of which are in the north east, and statistics show that Northern vehicles are involved in a high proportion of those accidents, possibly because they have come from a rigid regime in the North. They observe speed limits in Northern Ireland but they can drive at whatever speed they want as there is no disincentive to their doing so in the Republic. There is no common agreement that penalty points will be imposed north and south of the Border. They do not have that burden so it is as if they have been freed once they cross the Border. A strong awareness campaign should be carried out there and I hope the Minister will do that. He must address the issue as a matter of urgency.

The former Minister for Transport, Deputy Brennan, promised a review of speed limits, with speed limit signs to be converted to the continental metric system by September this year. There are still numerous examples of unrealistic and positively dangerous speed limits on our roads, for example, 30 mph and 40 mph limits on dual carriageways. Most Deputies have discussed this exhaustively. There should be a common sense approach. The people concerned should sit behind the wheel of a car and consider whether it is sensible to have a limit of 40 mph on a dual carriageway. I do not believe it is sensible.

The signs are probably put there for the right reason. Local authorities always consider these signs beforehand but different councils have different policies. There might be a 30 mph speed limit in south Dublin but in a similar environment in County Meath there might be a 40 mph limit. There is no consistency. People should know by looking at a road or at a locality that there will be a level of consistency in the speed limits adopted by the local authorities.

It appears to be the national sport to take a long stretch of dual carriageway and put a 40 mph limit on it. We are familiar with the one outside UCD. I have driven on that road a number of times but it was not until I read about it in the newspaper that I realised I had been driving in a 40 mph zone. I do not know whether it is safe to acknowledge it but I drove above the speed limit on that road. I was unaware of the limit. There was nothing to indicate that the road should be in a 40 mph zone. It might have changed since then. However, there was a favoured spot on that road for the gardaí to check motorists' speed.

It would be infinitely more sensible for the gardaí to patrol roads and watch the type of driving we encounter every day. I drive regularly and I often see people taking scary chances. One actually slows down because one is afraid there will be an accident. One sees people overtaking three and four cars when they are not in a position to do so. One also sees them taking chances by overtaking on hills and so forth.

There is not enough courtesy on the roads and this causes frustration. One might be driving on a 60 mph stretch of road and be stuck behind a lorry travelling at 58 mph. There is insufficient awareness. Motorists do not look in their mirrors and show the common courtesy of pulling into the other lane. If somebody wants to drive ahead even if the limit is 60 mph, let them do so.

There should be greater use of unmarked Garda cars. We should get rid of the practice of gardaí simply sitting behind a speed trap to catch motorists. They should be sent out in unmarked cars. That is how they will find the real risk takers. There is too much emphasis on statistics and on how many bookings the gardaí might have made on a particular day. In some stations there is pressure on gardaí to keep the statistics high. The gardaí would be better off abandoning the concept of statistics and going out on the roads to catch the risk takers who are likely to cause death on the roads. Would it not be better to catch one of those rather than ten people for merely driving at 35 mph in a 30 mph zone? The psyche must be changed. The gardaí must drop the statistics and catch the really dangerous guys on the road. How often have we seen a family wiped out in an accident? It happened in my constituency recently. Families innocently driving on the roads have been simply destroyed by reckless drivers.

There is another aspect to this. We are all aware of drivers in our communities who are considered to drive "like a lunatic", as it is commonly described. One will hear members of the community say: "That guy could kill somebody". These people are well known. It would be better to target such people rather than let them continue to drive like lunatics. In some cases, these people are not even insured, which is another problem.

Local speed limit signs sometimes show suicidal limits of 60 mph, the same limit as on national primary routes. They urgently require revision downwards. There is a standard speed limit of 60 mph yet one can travel at that speed on a side lane or a town road. There is nothing to indicate otherwise. There will now be a new general speed limit, a motorway speed limit and other speed limits. It is unrealistic to have a new speed limit of 80 mph on smaller rural roads. Some roads are not fit for speeds above 40 mph. I am still thinking in terms of miles per hour; I have not yet changed to the metric system.

The speed limits should be graded. It should not be the case that once one drives off the main road the speed limit is 80 kph. What is wrong with 70 kph? That limit is necessary in many cases. On the other hand, there are roads, which are fit for speeds of 90 kph. There should be a graded system. There should be a town limit on some of the smaller roads, some of which are only fit to accommodate one car. It is illogical to have an 80 kph speed limit on such roads. A 50 kph speed limit might be more suitable. I hope this issue will be considered further.

Driving standards also require drastic improvement, especially on dual carriageways and motorways. It is true that when people have their driving licences they are qualified to drive on the public road but the abilities of drivers differ. One example is the person who steadfastly remains on the overtaking lane of the dual carriageway, driving at 45 mph, and refuses to move over. That encourages road rage in anybody with human reactions but I have never heard of prosecutions for this type of driving.

Then one encounters drivers travelling at 45 mph on the main roads. Their attitude is: "I am only going a mile up the road so what is your hurry?" However, if one encounters a number of such drivers it can lead to road rage. People forget that they are driving on a national primary route. Most of the other drivers are on a 50 or 100 mile journey but the people I mentioned are never prosecuted. We always just tackle the easy targets, not the qualified drivers who do not have good driving practices.

Another example is the motorist who arrives at a roundabout and has to look ten times before he or she moves. We have to get these people moving. When I was driving in Paris a number of years ago and trying to observe the speed limits, I was struck by the behaviour of the policemen there. Their frustration was clearly showing as they urged the traffic to move along. It is important that people be a little more aware and consider up-skilling their motoring practices. The other problem is the learner driver on the motorway whose car displays L plates. They are a hazard. I am not sure that they should be on a motorway but one often sees them there. This must be dealt with too.

The Driving Instructor Register of Ireland has protested at the many years of inaction by successive Governments on driver training policy. It has long been calling for a cohesive driver training policy for new drivers. The two main driver instructor associations embarked on a process, in 1991, of undertaking a five year research and development programme with a view to establishing and operating a register for Irish driving instructors. At the time, Ireland was the only European country not to operate such a register. The register had received encouragement throughout this time from the Department of Transport and was to be reviewed after a period of three years in operation prior to being formalised.

Since then, the register has received the ISO 9001 accreditation and it has examined more than three quarters of Ireland's driving instructors. Red tape continues to inhibit the register from being included in the proposed driver testing and standards authority. Its establishment has been deferred. This is a loss for the road safety initiative while lives continue to be lost on our roads.

The National Roads Authority will fund the changeover to metric speed limits at a cost of €5 million. The delay in liaising with the Society of the Irish Motor Industry, with a view to having speedometers converted to metric, is difficult to fathom. Currently, only left-hand drive cars contain such speed dials. It is feared that the conversion of right-hand drive cars will result in increased costs for already overburdened motorists. At the launch of the its new model Focus in Italy, Ford indicated that it was set a deadline by the Department of Transport and acted accordingly. As a result, from 2005 all Ford stock will contain only metric speedometers. That is, perhaps, a message for me because I drive a Ford car and I may now have to take action of some sort. The legislation has been coming down the tracks for some time and the responsibility should lie with those who sell cars to ensure that, on 1 January 2005, each contains a metric speedometer.

It is essential that the Department of Transport liaise with the motor industry to have metric speedometers fitted in cars at the time of manufacture and to facilitate alterations to existing vehicles. It would be good if some company or other took the initiative in this area and developed a system which could be fitted to such vehicles and which would clearly indicate a motorist's speed in metric measurements. In light of technological advances, there should be no reason that this could not happen. There is no reason, for example, that one should not be able to have fitted to the dashboard of one's car a small dial or sensor to indicate the speed at which one is travelling in kilometres per hour. Surely there is some bright spark who could invent such a device which would sell extremely well. Car manufacturers should consider developing devices of this sort.

I understand the Government is intent on producing ready reckoners to help motorists cope with the changeover to the metric system. These would be placed, either on the dashboard or windscreen of a vehicle, in the driver's line of sight and would show speeds in kilometres per hour. That is fine but I do not know if a person driving at 50 mph would be able to consult a ready reckoner to discover that this converts to 80 kph. There is a definite need to produce devices which immediately display the speed at which one is driving. On the entrance road to Cootehill, County Cavan, there is a sign, erected as part of an insurance initiative, which displays for drivers the speed at which their vehicles are travelling. It should not be difficult to produce a monitor one could place inside one's car which would show the speed at which the vehicle is travelling.

The RIAC carried out a survey that, a mere one in seven drivers — approximately 15% — could convert a speed of 70 kph into the miles per hour equivalent. This highlights the level of confusion that exists. People do not want to think about this matter. As stated earlier, it goes back to the mindset where people just want to know the number of miles separating one town from another or the number of miles to the gallon they will get from their car. The RIAC reported that widely differing answers were received to the question posed in the survey. The lowest figure given was 30 mph and some motorists believed that 70 kph was equivalent to over 100 mph. Although motorists were aware of the impending change, they were at a serious disadvantage when it came to making the necessary conversion from miles to kilometres per hour.

People from Northern Ireland and tourists from Britain are going to have difficulties with this when they visit this country, particularly when it comes to speed traps etc. Motorists from the UK who travel here with their cars by ferry or those from Northern Ireland will need to have access to the ready reckoners to which I refer. Visitors to Ireland who hire cars in order to drive around will find it confusing and more difficult to do so. There will not be difficulties, however, if the vehicles they hire contain proper metric speedometers. If they hire cars containing imperial system speedometers, they will encounter problems. There is an onus on rental car companies to ensure that metric speedometers are contained in all their vehicles.

The use of miles to measure distance and the use of the miles per hour speed measurements in Britain are often cited as evidence of the position the imperial system still holds. It is curious, however, that petrol has been sold in litres for several years without confusion and that many warning signs show heights in metric measurements. Britain received a derogation from Europe to continue to use imperial road and speed limit signs and safety issues are frequently quoted in terms of changing the speed limits in that country to metric. It is the use of two incompatible systems that risks confusion among British motorists when they visit this country on holiday.

The switch to metric speed limits is one of the most momentous events since the conversion to decimal currency in 1971 and the more recent adoption of the euro. However, motorists are ill-prepared for the changeover. Members of the public must be supplied with the maximum amount of relevant information regarding the impending changeover to metric signage and speed limits because this changeover will have major implications in terms of road safety.

A number of Members referred to the need to get the message across to young people in respect of driving and road safety. The only way to do this is through the school curriculum. It was suggested that a safer driving plan could be used to target younger drivers. There is also the concept of the early drive programme. There is more to driving than the physical act of doing so. People should be made aware of road courtesy, etc.

I wish to highlight an issue of major importance in terms of road safety, namely, people who go walking on roads at night and who do not wear armbands. I have never seen anybody been fined in respect of this. People who go walking without armbands present a serious threat to motorists. Some type of on-the-spot fine should be introduced in respect of this matter.

Another issue to which I wish to refer is people who drive with ill-adjusted dipped headlights. It is frustrating that when one is driving at night, one is blinded by the headlights of every tenth car one encounters. People are not prosecuted if their dipped headlights are badly focused and a cause of difficulties for other motorists.

Road planners should give greater consideration to continental styles when planning our roads. For example, allowing traffic to turn right off a national primary route should be a thing of the past. We should make greater use of flyovers, etc. We must also bypass more towns because the volume of traffic on our roads is too great. Almost everyone over 18 now owns a car because of the lack of alternatives. I refer here to the fact that we have no public transport system. When motorways are being built, consideration should be given to constructing rail tracks alongside them.

I welcome the Bill, which contains a number of good provisions. The Minister for Transport and his Department should have had the foresight to begin preparing people for its implementation a number of years ago. This is another case of a legislative provision being introduced by a Department which only considers afterwards what it might have done to prepare the way for its passage. I refer to section 8, which covers the changeover of speed limits from miles per hour into kilometres per hour. I accept there has been a recent change of Minister but the Department could have begun preparing people for the changeover during the past year.

Each year, county councils send letters to each registered car owner to inform them that the tax on their cars is due. We could have prepared people for the new metric speed limit by including with those letters information regarding its advent in January 2005. The spin doctors in the Department should have had the foresight to ensure that this information was issued months ago rather than relying on a mail shot in January to make people aware of the changeover.

Many speakers have described roads and roundabouts in their counties. As a representative of a rural constituency I will speak about the consistency of speed limits on roads and motorways, in villages and on back roads. I travel to Dublin every Tuesday morning from Enniscorthy. In the 15 miles from the Glen O' The Downs to the Loughlinstown roundabout, I am faced with three or four different speed limits. I have raised this issue in the House before. On the dual carriageway coming into Kilmacanogue, the speed limit is 50 mph. The road surface is good, the road is straight and there are two lanes each way. The NRA has stated that it is the responsibility of Wicklow County Council to decide the speed limit and it decided on 50 mph. Replies given in this House in response to questions about roads or bypasses state that the NRA rather than the Department has responsibility, yet the NRA is not empowered to set speed limits and must defer to the county councils. The lack of consistency of speed limits on motorways and dual carriageways is ludicrous. The speed limit can change from 70 mph, to 40 mph, to 60 mph and back down to 30 mph. Another speaker referred to speed limits in towns and cities. I have never yet seen a speed limit sign in Dublin inner city. Speed limits should be clearly signposted. There is no speed limit sign down by the docks or in O'Connell Street. I usually drive at 30 miles per hour in town traffic because one can never tell what will appear. Tourists drive rented cars from Dublin Airport into the city centre. They will see every kind of sign except a speed limit sign.

I have spoken to people in the motor industry who have informed me that the speedometer in any new car in the next few years will show speed in miles per hour with a smaller display for kilometres per hour. The Minister and his Department should have foreseen this situation and consulted the motor industry. Ireland is a member state of the EU. Other countries such as the UK have had to deal with the same situation. I am confident the relevant ministries have foreseen this situation and consulted the motor industry. There are spin doctors in every Department. The Taoiseach has a large staff in his Department yet the Government was not able to get the simple things right, informing the motor industry and road users of the rule changes which will come into effect in the near future. What plans has the Department for making people aware of the change? Will there be an awareness campaign in the media? How will the Department ensure that every road user and every registered driver with either a full or a provisional licence is fully informed of the changes this Bill will cause? I ask the Minister to respond in his closing remarks. A few television and newspaper advertisements or notices on the local and national radio will not be sufficient. What about the unfortunate driver who is not aware of the change and is caught?

On the question of speeding in towns and cities, I receive frequent representations from schools about speeding traffic near schools. Drivers speed through villages without any care for the children. They are in a hurry and do not give a thought to the children. Every school and parent would like to see speed ramps on roads although that is not the solution. Another speaker described them as speed cushions, which is what they are, as people just drive through them. I recently wrote to the Garda superintendent in Wexford town and to local gardaí in a particular village about speed checks. I asked them to arrange some form of speed check in this area. If a road is straight and wide, drivers will speed. Wexford County Council, in conjunction with the NRA, have installed traffic-calming measures in a number of villages in County Wexford and they have worked very well. Traffic islands and road narrowing improvements have been installed. Funding must be provided either through the county councils or the NRA to provide traffic-calming measures. These measure are usually introduced on main roads such as the N11 through Oilgate, Ballynaboola and Camolin.

I live in a rural area where there are approximately 25 cars in a mile stretch of road. The owners pay tax to the county councils and registration fees such as VRT to the Government. Landowners are responsible for cutting the hedges and keeping the hedges in check so that they do not meet in the middle of the road. However, it is forbidden to cut hedges during the nesting season from April until August and cutting is allowed in September. The peak growing time is the summer months. Car accidents are happening because hedges are not cut. The farmer has responsibility of cutting hedges but they cannot be cut in the summer. Every county council should be given the responsibility of keeping hedges under control, especially on the more heavily used roads. The onus should not be on farmers because they are the people who pay tax. County councils should also be given responsibility for keeping roads in good condition, including repair of potholes etc. It is not much to ask county councils to ensure these measures are in place.

The previous Deputy spoke of road rage, something we all experience every day. Country Deputies in particular or those living outside the greater Dublin area are faced with road rage incidents every day. I spend a great deal of time driving and if I am doing 50 mph, I will always see someone doing 80, 90 or 100 mph to get in front of me. These people do not care if they have to pass two, three, four or five cars. I often wonder what they see in front of them when they experience road rage. Do they have some type of tunnel vision that makes them do it or do they see their lives flashing in front of them?

On the other hand, driving on a dual carriageway or motorway at 70 mph, one will always come across the person doing 20 or 30 mph. Those people are as much danger to road users as the person doing 90 or 100 mph because they cause delays and, if any congestion is caused, people try to pass them. I always say that time is money. That is the way society is now and I wonder if that is the reason for many of the road rage incidents.

I visited Italy recently where I spoke to an Italian man who told me he had never visited a country, that had traffic lights at roundabouts. I used to laugh about that. The only roundabout in Dublin at which there are no traffic lights is the Loughlinstown roundabout, and it runs as smoothly as those in Ballymun, Ballyfermot, Lucan and so on at which there are traffic lights. It makes me laugh to see them. The traffic lights on the Red Cow roundabout should be switched off for about three weeks to see what will happen, although that might not be possible now because the Department, not knowing what to do with the Luas, decided it had to pass through the roundabout. The lights at that roundabout will not be able to be turned off now because the Department does not want anyone crashing into the Luas.

If the Department of Transport did some form of European study examining roundabouts and the way traffic operates in other countries, it might be able to find out if other European countries have traffic lights on roundabouts. If that is the case, will the Minister come back to me on it because I would be interested to know that information? I might table a parliamentary question on it although it will probably take the Department some time to find out the information. It will probably say the National Roads Authority is responsible for that as well. However, I would be interested to obtain that information.

Someone spoke earlier about driving instructors. I welcome that the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government will bring forward a Bill dealing with driving instructors. I look forward to the publication of that legislation because, in the past week or so, I met a driving instructor who spoke to me about the operating register and said that they had been in contact with the Government over the years which had received letters and e-mails from driving instructors on a range of issues which must be addressed. I look forward to speaking on that Bill when it comes before the House.

We educate young people in every area, sometimes in the wrong way, but one of the most important areas which is as important as the leaving certificate is passing a driving test and getting a driving licence. However, young people do not respect that. A driving licence is a key to life because if someone works five miles from home, he or she can drive to his or her place of work but if he or she does not have a driving licence, he or she must use alternative transport, which can be expensive, especially in rural Ireland where people depend on their cars. People often forget that a driving licence is one of the most important pieces of documentation they can have and it should be treated with respect. They also forget how hard people have to work to get a full driving licence, sometimes resitting the test on two, three or four occasions.

The Bill is to introduce the offence of supplying mechanically propelled vehicles to minors. I understand that last Christmas, minors were seen driving small scooter bikes at about 20 or 25 miles an hour. Is that covered in the Bill? I am sure there is some provision covering minors using mechanically propelled vehicles. After Christmas last year I saw two or three minors using scooter bikes and driving at 15 or 20 miles an hour. There are also small motorbikes, which can do 20 or 25 miles per hour. We also have people using quad bikes. Nowadays, every family has a good deal of money and, when Santa comes, it can look after its children and get them whatever they want. If they were to ask for a car, would some parents buy one for them to keep them happy?

Something must be done as soon as possible to address this problem, especially now that we are coming into the Christmas period. Gardaí must be given the power to stop these minors driving on a public roadway or pathway and tell them to use them on their own property. I have seen children as young as 12, 13 and 14 years of age using these vehicles in my town of Enniscorthy. Gardaí should have the power to ensure those people use these vehicles on their own property instead of public areas where a major accident could occur.

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak on the Bill. I hope the Minister, when replying, can answer some of the queries I raised.

This is a welcome opportunity for those of us who are drivers and road users to discuss road safety. Road safety is one of the most important issues for discussion in this House, especially to those of us who live a long way from Leinster House and who travel a great deal in, for example, a rural constituency. We have first-hand knowledge of the many issues that are important to people using public roads.

The Bill is important legislation. Some of its provisions are encouraging and while I welcome them, the Bill is notable for the number of issues it does not address, some of which I will discuss later. A welcome aspect of the legislation is the introduction of a new offence relating to the supply of mechanically propelled vehicles to minors. That is important because it is a problem, which has caused concern, havoc and many accidents. This is particularly the case in housing estates in Dublin as well as larger towns and some villages. Cars with a high cc can be dangerous when young people aged 13 or 14 years sit behind the wheel. The value of second-hand cars is such that people can buy high powered cars in garages for small sums. Young people should not have such cars and I welcome the Bill's provision to outlaw this dangerous practice which has developed in recent years.

There are arguments for and against changing speed limits. I request the Department to alert and educate the public about the proposed changes in speed limits. I travel extensively and have incurred penalty points for speeding. On receiving a fine by post for speeding on one of the bypasses close to Dublin, I could not believe I was in the speed zone cited. I drove at slightly over the speed limit on the Lucan bypass because I was not aware of it. This problem must be sorted out.

The Lucan bypass is only one example of many such areas. The 30 mph speed limit is applied too far beyond the boundaries of many villages. We need to address the imposition of speed limits in different areas and ensure they are properly signposted. Limits should be displayed at two points on the approaches to and exits from villages and towns. Although the idea behind changes in speed limits is good, the issue must be examined more closely.

The area of driving instruction should have been addressed in the Bill. I have proposed on previous occasions that driving instruction should be made a syllabus subject in secondary school, specifically in transition year. We offer excellent transition year subjects, from which students derive considerable benefit. I ask the Minister, a man who appreciates new ideas, to consider including driving instruction in the curriculum.

A school safety award run by South Tipperary County Council generates significant interest from students and teachers. Teachers want to instil in students attending national school the importance of road safety. The competition, which is also run by other local authorities, should be encouraged and extended. Given that everybody needs a car to engage in his or her everyday business, whether attending college or travelling to work, it would be worthwhile to introduce driving instruction as a project in transition year. I ask that this proposal be considered.

Apart from changes in speed limits, we must place flashing lights outside every school located on a public road to warn drivers of the dangers. Thousands of young people walk along busy roads to and from school. Flashing lights are highly effective in the areas in which they have already been installed. The Department should grant aid every local authority to install them at schools because people will slow down if they see them.

Traffic calming measures have not been implemented in villages. They are particularly necessary in villages located on our busier regional roads. Deputations from many villages attend county council meetings to seek the introduction of such measures. Effective traffic calming measures should be introduced in all villages on main regional roads as a matter of urgency.

Drink driving is a major issue. Is a drugs test available to test those found driving at high speeds late at night when accidents occur? I am informed that no regulations are in place for dealing with this problem, which must be tackled, particularly with regard to people driving between 3 a.m. and 5 a.m. when many bad accidents occur. Somebody is using the vast amount of drugs imported here and if people driving cars are involved, the matter must be addressed. We have shied away from this major issue, whereas we have been extremely rigid in our approach to drink driving by introducing rules and regulations and changing limits. The Minister should establish a commission or committee or find another way to properly address the problem of driving while under the influence of drugs.

As we are discussing road traffic and safety, it is only fair to mention the many new developments in road infrastructure, particularly bypasses. Members have seen significant improvements in traffic safety with the many bypasses that have opened, especially those on the Cork to Dublin road at Monasterevin, Cashel and Kildare. I commend the National Roads Authority on the efficient manner it has developed these projects and conducted its business.

However, public representatives, various community groups and chambers of commerce are frustrated with some of the NRA's actions. For example, two slip roads were removed from the plans for the Cashel bypass. The people of Cashel held a protest march to bring this to the attention of the National Roads Authority and the Government. However, no public representative was properly informed about the exclusion of those roads. Even with the bypass now open, the Minister for Transport must suggest to the National Roads Authority to build these two slip roads. An opportunity is available to do so with the building of the new roads between Cashel and Mitchelstown and Cashel and Culahill. I look forward to the completion of these roads.

I welcome the Bill and note many Members have spoken with great knowledge on it. Road safety is a concern to Members because we drive a great deal and we see and hear much about it. I wish the Minister for Transport, Deputy Cullen, well in promoting and developing road safety. It is about saving lives and we must all be concerned about it.

I hope my contribution will be as constructive as those of the other Members referred to by Deputy Hayes. The most dangerous place to be is in a car on our roads, which the evidence from statistics shows. For that reason, I welcome all measures that will help bring about safer travel on roads for those who use them.

I wish to focus on the issue of heavy trucks using our roads. In a recently submitted parliamentary question to the Minister for Transport, I asked if a survey involving heavy vehicles, trucks and so on will be commissioned in view of the high incidence of fatalities in road accidents involving trucks. The Minister's reply was, not unusually, in the negative. I am sure he has his reasons for believing it was not necessary. In the reply he stated:

Statistics relating to road accidents, based on information provided by the Garda Síochána, are published by the National Roads Authority in its annual road accident facts reports. The most recent report is in respect of 2002 and that report, along with reports relating to previous years, are available in the Oireachtas Library.

The road accident facts reports contain details of the number of accidents where goods vehicles were involved. Provisional figures for 2003 indicate that 336 road deaths occurred during that year. A breakdown of the number of traffic accident fatalities in 2003 involving goods vehicles is not yet fully analysed and authenticated. Details will be set out in the Road Accident Facts 2003, which will be published by the National Roads Authority in the near future.

In 2002, there were 346 fatal accidents and 376 fatalities. Goods vehicles were involved in 50 fatal accidents. [Approximately one in seven of all fatal accidents.] In 2002, goods vehicles comprised 12.5% of the vehicle fleet and were involved in 14% of fatal accidents. A National Roads Authority study relating to the number of vehicle kilometres of travel in Ireland in 2001 indicates that the average number of kilometres travelled by goods vehicles is significantly higher than other vehicle types. [That is not surprising.] There is no evidence, therefore, that heavy goods vehicles are disproportionately involved in road collisions.

However, in the next paragraph, the Minister makes an important point when he states:

It is unfortunately the case however, that the consequences resulting from a collision with a heavy goods vehicle are generally more severe than with a smaller type of vehicle. [This is obvious to those who travel on the roads and is common sense.] The primary immediate investigative role in relation to road accidents is vested in the Garda Síochána. Priority in such investigations must be given to determining the causes of road accidents and in particular whether a breach of the road traffic laws contributed to the occurrence.

Given the pivotal role played by the Garda in accident investigation, they are tasked with the preparation of detailed reports in relation to each accident they attend. These reports are forwarded to the National Roads Authority and, subsequently, to each local authority to establish accident trends and causes generally and to facilitate remedial works to road infrastructure where such action is deemed to be necessary. In view of the arrangements outlined above, I do not consider that separate surveys or studies of accidents involving heavy goods vehicles, as suggested by [myself] the Deputy are necessary.

The Minister's reply is somewhat ambiguous. It states that the consequences of a collision with a heavy goods vehicle are generally severe. However, that is an obvious conclusion. If a car is hit by a heavy truck, the strong likelihood is that there will be fatalities and horrific injuries. The fatalities will almost be always among the passengers in the more vulnerable vehicle. The driver of the truck will be uninjured, slightly injured or, as is heard in news reports of such horrific accidents, suffering from shock. The details required for the study I want commissioned are already available in the Garda's accident investigation reports given to the National Roads Authority. Why not stop beating about the bush and list the findings and recommendations, if any? If none has been made, it would be a useful exercise to make recommendations. A commissioned study into these types of accidents is necessary and would be a worthwhile and inexpensive project. If the NRA report to local authorities seeks to establish trends and causes presumably it has a responsibility to make appropriate recommendations and if not, somebody does. I refer to recommendations other than the carrying out of certain remedial works to road infrastructure.

If 14% of fatal road accidents involve trucks, what percentage of those accidents results in fatalities or serious injuries? It is probably very high, certainly higher than the 14% to which the Minister referred in his reply. The Minister might say that had I submitted a question on this he would have replied but it is useful to have his attention when I have a few minutes to expand on the point. If, as seems logical, fatalities result from a high percentage of all accidents involving trucks, a study of the available evidence is clearly required to make recommendations to deal with that issue. It would be scandalous to suggest that since only 50 people died in 2003 from accidents involving trucks there is no need to do anything. I hope the Minister's reply does not suggest this.

It might surprise many road users that the rules of the road specify an ordinary speed limit of 50 mph for goods vehicles having a designated gross vehicle weight in excess of 3,500 kg, which is approximately in excess of 3 tonnes, and the same applies to single decker coaches or buses. I have to be on the road more regularly than I like to be. Anyone who travels the roads and says that trucks, buses and coaches keep to 50 mph needs his or her head examined. The Minister uses the roads and his head does not need examining. He knows what I say is the case. It is no laughing matter and the 50 people who die each year, or those who suffer horrific injuries from accidents involving trucks, are well aware of that fact. The unfortunate ones who died have paid the ultimate price.

To some degree this has been swept under the carpet. This is not a diatribe against truck drivers but many people in control of trucks drive recklessly and irresponsibly, and far faster than is permitted or safe for other road users because they know if they are involved in an accident the odds are they will not be injured, unless they are unlucky enough to hit another, heavier truck. If they hit a car it will probably be viewed strictly as an accident and incur no penalty. Maybe I am going too far but I want to make the case that there is a need to establish the facts concerning trucks, how they travel, whether they keep within the limits, whether the law is rigorously enforced and whether additional measures need to be taken to ensure the number of people who die or are injured as a result of accidents involving trucks is reduced. I do not say this in any malicious way but when a truck driver sees the road signs listing the numbers killed on that stretch of road in the previous year he is not deterred because he knows that few if any of those fatalities include truck drivers. It can only deter truck drivers in so far as they have a human feeling about those road deaths.

Commercial trucks on the road have schedules to meet. We see them on the quays in Dublin every day trying to beat the lights, either to get out of the city traffic to reach a destination in the country or to get to the port to meet some schedule they are required to meet. For the very reason outlined in the Minister's reply, that I have emphasised a couple of times already, there is a need for a more comprehensive code of conduct for truck drivers, a more rigorous system of enforcement of the special speed limits that already exist and are not enforced for heavy trucks and a more severe penalty points system or whatever applies to trucks, with more severe penalties for those in breach of speed limits or other rules of the road.

Not all truck drivers are reckless, irresponsible or uncaring about more vulnerable road users. These comments are based on observation through using our roads and seeing how some trucks adhere to the rules, keep within the 50 mph limit and drive responsibly but unfortunately they are in a minority. I speak purely from observation and for that reason would welcome a study of the issue. A heavy truck is a death trap for road users in the event of an accident, although not for the drivers who have a special responsibility for the way they drive and the control of their vehicles. As legislators we also have a special responsibility to put a system in place, and more importantly to enforce it and see to it that it is enforced as a safeguard to encourage and ensure greater care and responsibility on behalf of those who control heavy goods vehicles.

I suspect the official attitude in the past was that heavy commercial traffic had a critically important role in economic life with powerful business interests involved and therefore nothing should be done to enforce too rigorously anything that would interfere with it moving around the country. I do not advocate any measure that would unnecessarily put unreasonable restrictions on such traffic but there is perhaps a need for a range of special measures specifically for heavy trucks to ensure that their drivers use greater responsibility and care.

It would be difficult for me as a public representative for Dublin Central to speak on the issue of road traffic without referring to the Navan road which runs right through my constituency and is now a funnel into the city for cars, trucks and all sorts of vehicles coming from the Dublin suburbs and various counties on the outskirts of Dublin. That is increasingly becoming a nightmare for residents who live off the Navan road in areas like Ashingston, Kinvara, Kempton and so on. These people, in trying to get to work, simply cannot get on to the main road. In that context, they keep reminding local representatives including myself that there are huge new developments taking place off the Navan road in places like Pelletstown and in the former Phoenix Park racecourse which will further exacerbate the problem. They are looking for measures to alleviate the difficulties they have.

I welcome the provision preventing the sale of mechanically propelled vehicles to minors. It has been an issue in my constituency for many years and one about which the Garda has always appeared to be helpless to do anything. I hope the measure contained in this Bill will bring an end to that difficulty and that we will not have that additional hazard on our roads.

I agree with Deputy Gregory that enforcement is without doubt the key issue for road safety.

I thank Deputies from all sides for their positive and constructive contributions to what has been an open and interesting debate. The overall welcome for the Bill reflects an acceptance by Members that legislation on issues such as speed limits should be the subject of fairly regular review by the Oireachtas. It is important that our system of speed limits, which is the central component of this Bill, should be seen to be reasonable, appropriate, flexible and geared to the promotion of road safety.

The debate raised many issues, some of which are not directly addressed in the Bill. However, they show that Members of the House are concerned about road safety in all of the issues and policies that contribute to its promotion. In the time I have available today to respond to the debate, I will concentrate on issues that have a direct relevance to the Bill, but I am conscious of the other matters that have been referred to and will note them in the development of policies in those areas.

Deputy Shortall raised the general issue of court challenges to the Road Traffic Acts and suggested that this revealed flaws in the legislation. The Deputy is correct in suggesting that road traffic legislation is the subject of very frequent challenges. The loss of a driving licence as a result of a conviction for a traffic offence is something that many people will challenge, particularly those who depend on driving for their livelihood. Such challenges are not unique to this country, and in the particular area of drink driving the challenges both here and in other jurisdictions have been vigorous and numerous. The House will be aware of the completion of a number of cases in the High Court relating to the operation of the evidential breath testing system. In all of the challenges to date, the High Court has supported the legislation and the system operated by the Garda. The most recent decision of the High Court is the subject of an appeal to the Supreme Court. If a decision of a court suggests there is a difficulty in any element of the road traffic legislation, my Department will proceed, along with the office of the Attorney General and other Departments, to address such difficulties, if necessary through the promotion of amending legislation.

A number of Deputies raised important issues regarding speed limits generally. I acknowledge the important point made by Deputy Olivia Mitchell that there is a tension in the application of speed limits between the need for national standardisation and the need for local flexibility to cater for particular needs. This is the essential dynamic that provides the background to the proposals in Part 2 of the Bill. The introduction of penalty points for speeding offences more than two years ago resulted in an enhanced focus and awareness of speed limits. The proposal in the Bill, which encourages a greater involvement for the public in the process that leads to the application of speed limits locally, will provide for a more general acceptance and support for speed limits. Deputy McHugh referred specifically to the requirements on local authorities to advertise proposals to make speed limit by-laws. The Bill provides that where a county or city council proposes to make by-laws, it must publish a notice of the proposals in at least two daily newspapers published and circulated in the State or in the area to which the by-laws relate. Given that the public will be afforded an opportunity to make its views known on the speed limit proposals, it will be in the interest of the councils to ensure the broadest scope for the dissemination of information on making by-laws. Speed limit proposals for specific areas will have an effect on national roads and this must inform the approach of the local authorities in meeting their responsibilities under the legislation. The guidelines that will be made available to local authorities will refer in particular to this matter.

Deputy Olivia Mitchell referred to the definition of a built-up area provided for in the Bill. The purpose of including the definition is to bring greater clarity to the current position. Under the existing Road Traffic Acts, the built-up area speed limit only applies within the boundaries of cities and towns where there are urban authorities. The proposals in this Bill do not change that position. A number of Deputies referred to speed limits on regional and local roads. Section 6 proposes that the default maximum speed limit on regional and local roads will be 80 kph. This represents a reduction of more than 10 mph on the present general speed limit of 60 mph and reflects the recommendation made by the working group that carried out a review of present speed limit structures and policies in 2003.

I am aware that the National Roads Authority's accident data for 2002 indicate that there is a very high rate of fatal and injury accidents on two-way single carriageway roads. Those roads, the vast majority of which are regional and local roads, account for nearly 80% of fatal and injury accidents. The percentage of fatalities that occurred on rural roads has not been below 65% in any year since 1991.

Deputies Crawford and McHugh expressed concerns that the maximum limit of 80 kph would be too restrictive on some regional roads. While national roads come under the remit of my Department through the National Roads Authority, regional roads and local roads come under the remit of the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government. The road engineering advice from that Department is that 80 kph is the most appropriate speed limit for the vast majority of the regional road network which covers more than 11,000 kilometres, and that a maximum speed limit of 80 kph represents the best road safety match for at least 90% of more than 11,000 km of rural regional roads. Road safety would be best served by setting the default speed limit at 80 kph since it makes it an easier task for local authorities to make special speed limit by-laws to apply a higher limit to superior standard regional roads where warranted, rather than to apply a blanket higher limit across the network in primary legislation in the anticipation that by-laws would subsequently be made to apply a lower speed limit across 90% of the network. Deputy Deenihan suggested that the built-up area speed limit should be 40 kph as opposed to 50 kph. However, the standard speed limit in built-up areas throughout Europe is 50 kph and we should be consistent.

The debate gave rise to some very interesting comments on the process for the changeover to metric speed limits. Deputies Mitchell, Shortall and Crawford referred to the provision of traffic signs to support the new speed limits. The general policy principles that underpin the proposal to introduce metric speed limits have been in the public domain since October 2003. Based on those principles, it was prudent to make the appropriate arrangements to ensure that the traffic signs needed to support the changeover will be ready at an early date.

This has been done. The majority of the 58,000 signs which are required have been supplied to the various local authorities so they can be put in place before 20 January 2005. The progress that has been made in planning the changeover does not restrict the role of the Oireachtas in examining and determining the overall legislative framework for speed limits.

Deputies Olivia Mitchell and Shortall spoke of the need to inform drivers of the change to metric speed limits when they cross the Border. The provision of information to people arriving in the State has been considered in depth by the changeover board. The board, as part of its consideration, has engaged in a significant and fruitful engagement with the authorities in Northern Ireland where imperial speed limits will continue in place. A series of information traffic signs pertaining to metrication is being prepared for long-term deployment. When the signs are being provided, there will be a particular focus on the Border region, ports and airports. The signs, which will complement the normal speed limit signs that are provided at Border crossings and other points of entry, will advise motorists that speed limits are set in kilometres per hour.

Deputy Olivia Mitchell also queried the timing of speed limit by-laws. Section 12 will provide appropriate arrangements to ensure that existing by-laws will continue to have effect under the metric system. This is necessary to provide that local authorities will not be able to make new by-laws until at least two months after the changeover date.

I have indicated that approximately 58,000 new metric speed limit signs will have to be provided by 20 January 2005 to serve the public road network of approximately 97,000 km. This considerable logistical challenge, which involves 34 county and city councils and the National Roads Authority, is being co-ordinated by the metrication board. It is proposed that the "on the ground" changeover process of replacing imperial signs with new metric signs will commence at least three days before 20 January. It is inevitable that motorists will encounter metric and imperial speed limit signs at various locations while they are driving during the three days in question. A public information and awareness campaign will focus on heightening awareness of speed limits during this period, to avoid confusion while the new speed limit signs are being erected.

I assure Deputies that this matter has been considered at length. While I was keen for the shortest possible changeover, I also knew I had to be realistic. The changeover period will be confined to the three days preceding 20 January. Extra care and patience will be required on the roads while the full changeover process is taking place. The erection of 58,000 signs is quite a significant undertaking, but I have been assured that they will be put in place by 20 January 2005, when the new metric system will be initiated.

A number of Deputies spoke about speedometers in vehicles. The Society of the Irish Motor Industry and the Department of Transport have been considering the progression of the metrication of speed limits since early 2003. The society was represented on the working group that conducted a review of speed limit structures and policies in 2003 and it has recently participated in the metrication board. I commend the society on its support in the pursuit of the overall proposal. Not only has it actively contributed to the board's deliberations, it has ensured that the vast majority of vehicles entering our market from 2005 will have speedometers which are metric only or predominantly metric. I thank the society in that regard.

There are no plans for a programme of retrofitting metric speedometers in vehicles which are currently in use. There is no one-size-fits-all template that could safely address all the various types of speedometer in use. As part of the public information programme that is being developed, information packs which will include a simple conversion table for drivers will be distributed.

The need for a comprehensive public information and awareness programme has been raised by a number of Deputies. I confirm that the changeover to metric speed limits will be supported by a major nationwide integrated public awareness programme, involving television, radio and press advertising. A lo-call 1890 number will be available for queries and questions. Information will be available soon on a dedicated website.

Deputy Eamon Ryan suggested that the proposed new 30 kph speed limit should be used on a broad basis in urban areas. He sought clarification from me about the provisions to be contained in the guidelines, which will be issued to local authorities in respect of this matter. As Members are aware, the new speed limit structures proposed in the Bill will see the retention of two fundamental provisions that apply at present. The speed limit in built-up areas, which will be 50 kph, will continue to apply on a default basis. Elected members of city and county councils will be empowered to replace default speed limits by means of proposals for the application of special speed limits in by-laws.

The deployment of the 30 kph speed limit will be a matter for elected members of local authorities. It is reasonable to expect that the limit will be applied in places where it can deliver the greatest benefit to all road users, especially pedestrians. That principle will be reflected in the guidelines, which will be informed by the experience of other countries which have used 30 kph speed limits. The United Kingdom's experience has shown that the use of a 20 mph speed limit without appropriate traffic calming measures has had negligible effects on achieving reductions in the speed of vehicles. The guidelines will put a specific emphasis on the deployment of the 30 kph limit. They will place particular attention on the use of the 120 kph speed limit on dual carriageways on national roads. The guidelines will offer comprehensive advice on the appropriate deployment of speed limits and the making of speed limit by-laws to local authority members and officials, the National Roads Authority, the Garda and all interested parties and individuals.

All Members are aware that local authorities can, for safety purposes, bring traffic almost to a standstill if they are doing specific works in a built-up area. I agree that we should give them certain powers to ensure they can continue to do so. Many speakers mentioned that they are conscious of the problems associated with places where children congregate, such as schools. They have argued that provisions such as traffic calming measures should be available in such areas. It is a matter for local authorities, however. It is obvious that we do not want such powers to be used widely. There may be specific difficulties at places of access to and exit from schools. It would be no harm to empower local authorities by giving them the opportunity to consider such issues, at least. It makes sense that such provisions should be made so that the matter does not have to be dealt with in legislation by the House again. Members were right to raise issues of this nature. Members of local authorities are in the best position to deal with such matters, on the advice of the Garda and local authority officials.

Deputy Olivia Mitchell referred to the possible introduction of road markings to indicate speed limit zones. Last year, a working group conducted a comprehensive review of speed limit structures and policies, including signposting policy, in the context of the signposting of speed limits. The group was asked to consider a number of proposals for new approaches to speed limit signage. A road marking system that involves coloured and coded on-road markings to denote various speed limit zones was considered. Having examined the proposals, the working group indicated in September 2003 that it felt there was no compelling argument for changing the current approach to speed limit signposting. It decided there was a clear case for ensuring that the signposting of speed limits should reflect current common international approaches.

The working group advised against the adoption of complex signage proposals which deviate substantially from current national and international practice and experience. It argued that the limited proposals for changes to speed limit signage recommended in its report were consistent with such an approach. New signage proposals, which have regard to the new speed limit structures proposed in this Bill and have been formulated in light of international practice, are being considered. The proposals will address issues such as the deployment of alternative speed limits at single locations in certain circumstances.

As a former Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, I am aware of the issues involved. Mr. John Bowman once said to me, while he was wearing one of his other hats, that he thought I could introduce another colour of box, other than the yellow box, for traffic control purposes, for example to deal with Luas junctions. I am making my officials uneasy because I am speaking from the top of my head. I understand the point made by Deputy Olivia Mitchell. I do not think one should have a black and white view of these matters.

Everyone's view of our role is that we should consider everything continually to enhance pedestrian safety in built-up areas and the smooth operation of different modes of transport as they interact. We must be careful that we do not confuse people by an over-elaborate system of warnings. A balance must be struck, but there is some merit in certain issues.

I am aware that other colleagues would like to speak, but perhaps I might first deal with one or two other issues. Deputy Olivia Mitchell raised the issue of age thresholds and penalties regarding driving certain vehicles. A person must be 17 to obtain a provisional licence to drive a motor car. However, a person can get a provisional licence for a small motor cycle, that is, under 125 cu. cm., at 16 years of age, which is the minimum specified in the EU directive on driving licences. If the ban on the supply of mechanically propelled vehicles were pegged at under 17 by the Bill, it would prohibit persons from supplying motorcycles to persons aged 16. I appreciate the points raised, in particular by Deputies Olivia Mitchell, Shortall, Broughan, Eamon Ryan and Curran, regarding the penalties proposed for this new offence. I will re-examine the issue with a view to presenting an amendment on Committee Stage. Making it a criminal offence to sell vehicles to people under 16 is one of the most fundamental issues in the Bill. We are well aware of the consequences of that practice, and this provision is a good safety measure as much it is common sense.

The Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government is actively engaged with the Society of the Irish Motor Industry, the Irish Motor Vehicle Recyclers' Association and the Metal Merchants' Association of Ireland with a view to developing a voluntary, industry-led, producer responsibility initiative to implement the requirements of Directive 2000/53/EC on end-of-life vehicles. The directive incorporates several significant requirements, including measures aimed at ensuring that ELVs may be deposited free of charge by their final owners at authorised treatment facilities and then dismantled, treated and recovered in an environmentally sound manner, meeting the recovery and recycling targets by average weight per vehicle, achieving an 85% rate of reuse or recovery by 2006 and a 95% rate by 2015, and preventing waste from vehicles.

Deputy Shortall raised an issue relating to end-of-life vehicles, and I know that Deputy Olivia Mitchell is familiar with the issue. Enabling provisions to facilitate implementation of the directive were incorporated in the Protection of the Environment Act 2003, which I steered through the two Houses. It is intended to make regulations as soon as possible fully transposing the directive's provisions and facilitating its implementation in 2005. Pending making the regulations and the commencement of the free ELV take-back scheme required by the directive, adequate powers are available to local authorities under the Waste Management Act 1996 to deal with abandoned or dumped vehicles.

Deputy Crowe asked about the scope of the functions relating to the fixed-charge system that it is proposed to outsource. While the Deputy will appreciate that the provision in the primary legislation should establish the policies and principles, section 17 does not set specific parameters to provide that outsourcing relating to the fixed-charge system will be limited to functions regarding administrative matters that support the system. Currently, as Deputies know, the Bill deals simply with outsourcing the administration of the penalty points system, and we should take it from there.

I have covered most issues. There is a range of questions to which I am sure Deputies will return on Committee Stage. Almost all Deputies are concerned and recognise that enforcement is a key issue. We are certainly working closely with the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform. There is a very important role for the Garda in being visible. The public must understand the system, as we know from the first implementation of penalty points. The great drop in the number of fatalities on the roads has been marvellous. We must return to the issue of awareness regarding enforcement. The Garda computer systems must be up and running, and I look forward to that happening. I urge the implementation of all systems for which they are responsible, and I am confident they will facilitate all the road safety needs outlined in the legislation.

I thank Deputies from all sides once again for a very good and constructive debate on all the issues raised. If I have omitted any issue, as I probably have, I will deal with it directly on Committee Stage. I commend the Bill to the House.

Question put and agreed to.
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