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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 17 May 2005

Vol. 602 No. 4

Private Members’ Business.

Public Expenditure: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann,

deploring the shocking waste of taxpayers money highlighted in the recent Prime Time Investigates programme and a number of recent reports of the Comptroller and Auditor General including, among others:

—the huge over-run in the cost of the roads programme in the early years of the National Development Programme, which means that the eventual cost will be more than €16 billion rather than the €7 billion originally estimated;

—the specific findings of the Interim Report of the Hearings of the Public Accounts Committee, published on May 12th, that identified a number of road projects, originally estimated to cost €562 million that ended up costing €984 million;

—the decision to buy a site for a new prison at a cost of almost €30 million which may not prove suitable for the purposes intended, when cheaper, more suitable alternative sites were available;

—the acquisition over a number of years of buildings to house asylum seekers which were never used and which remain empty;

—a whole range of other projects initiated by this Government involving either a total waste of money or massive over-runs, including Abbotstown, the Punchestown Equestrian Centre, e-voting, the failure to properly cost the extension of medical cards to the over 70s, and the indemnity deal agreed with the religious orders outside normal Cabinet procedures;

conscious that this wasteful use of money has meant that there are less funds available for vital infrastructure, such as public transport and for a wide range of essential public services such as health, education, welfare, carers, home-help, the disability sector and many others;

condemns the mismanagement and lack of public accountability exercised by this Government and its failure to ensure that taxpayers got value for their money;

calls on the Government to implement in full the recommendations of the NESC Study ‘Achieving Quality Outcomes: The Management of Public Expenditure'; and

calls on the Houses of the Oireachtas Commission, following consultation with the Working Group of Committee Chairmen and the Committee of Public Accounts, to bring forward concrete proposals for the establishment of an Office of Management and Budget, to be attached to Dáil Éireann and to assist this House in the assessment of proposals for major public expenditure and in the oversight and scrutiny of the management and delivery of those projects.

This motion deals with the Government's gross waste of taxpayers' money through cost overruns and failed projects. Everyone here can draw up a long catalogue of Government waste. I am sure we will hear from some of the Deputies opposite about cost overruns when we held office. That is fair enough but the point of our motion——

Did the Deputy's party in Government not spend any money?

——is not about any one particular project, although we could go on for hours about one or another of the Minister of State's failed projects. Our motion is concerned with the pattern established and the wholly inadequate Government response to that pattern. All Governments waste resources for one reason or another but this Government has made it into an art form. If there was an Oscar for waste, the Taoiseach, Deputy Bertie Ahern, would win it hands down year in, year out. Indeed, one might formulate the Ahern law of public administration. It is like Lord Acton's law of politics — power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely. The Ahern version is identical: all Governments waste money; my Government wastes money absolutely.

Given the fact that many functions of Government are increasingly co-ordinated with other member states of the European Union, for example, monetary affairs, fiscal policy and even taxation, the biggest single task of a modern Irish Government is to manage public services effectively and efficiently. Another major task is to plan and build new public infrastructure. It is obvious that the longer this incompetent Government stays in office, the worse the job it is doing of both.

Has the Deputy checked the balance of payments lately?

The examples of Government waste are too numerous to go into great detail, although my colleagues will refer to many of them, but I want to elaborate on three examples.

The medical cards for over 70s scheme was announced to great applause from Government benches in the budget of 2001 and welcomed on all sides of this House. What Deputies did not know, however, was the secretive and ham-fisted planning behind the proposal. It was politically motivated to win votes at the expected election a few months later. There were no negotiations with the doctors, no proper costings and not even a proper study of the number of recipients. The cost of the medical card bonanza jumped from an estimated €19 million to an estimated additional annual cost of €51 million.

As the months passed it became necessary to offer a blank cheque to the doctors to implement the policy. The Taoiseach, Deputy Ahern, is no stranger to blank cheques. Blank cheques are what he does best. Blank cheques to his former master is what got him where he is today. There was no problem for him, therefore, in writing another blank cheque to get the matter sorted out before the 2002 election.

The second example I want to examine is the National Roads Authority primary routes improvement scheme. The national development plan proposed investment of €5.6 billion on national roads improvement works in the period 2000 to 2006. By mid-2002, however, the reported estimated cost of completing the national roads improvement programme had jumped to €15.6 billion. Furthermore, a major part of the programme will not be delivered in the period ending in 2006.

Building roads is a worldwide activity. The Romans did it. Every possible eventuality has already been encountered in other countries. We are familiar with many countries that have 50 and 60 years' experience of the mass construction of national road and motorway networks, including Britain, France, Germany, the Netherlands and so on. Everything the Irish Government needs to know about managing a national road-building programme is easily available to it from neighbouring European states. There is no excuse, therefore, for the overspend on the roads programme. It is incompetence or worse.

When the Comptroller and Auditor General examined the reasons behind the cost increase in the national roads improvement programme, he identified inflation as accounting for 40%, 25% was due to underestimation of costs at the beginning of the programme, 16% was due to a systematic failure to cost certain elements of the schemes at the planning stages and 20% was due to changes in the scope of projects and new works, with the balance accounted for by large increases in the estimated cost of high profile projects such as the Dublin Port tunnel and the south-eastern section of the M50.

The report by the Comptroller and Auditor General noted that the lack of realistic estimates was the main problem. By the time of the adoption of the national development plan, cost estimation had not even been properly developed in the NRA. A cost estimation function was only employed for the first time in 2000, therefore, the NRA had no dedicated in-house expertise to determine or validate the cost of projects until that date. The audit by the Comptroller and Auditor General established that overall, the final cost in these cases averaged out at a startling 42% more than the amount on which tender acceptance was based.

We have a specialist Department of Transport that appears unable to learn the lessons of project management in other countries. Irish people who travel abroad are used to envying public transport systems in Madrid, Stockholm and even in countries we regard as less developed. Irish people appear to have wearily accepted that our Government has neither the intention nor the ability to plan and implement a good public transport system.

I want to refer to the indemnity deal agreed with the religious institutions. The initial estimate of the potential liability was €258 million. That figure has been shown to be hopelessly far out; the latest estimates are from €610 million up to €1 billion. The Government decision on the establishment of the redress scheme was essentially a political fix. It was informed by estimates of the scale of the likely claims load by the Department but the Department, as the papers have shown, did not have the data to estimate the ultimate liability.

The Committee of Public Accounts has found that in terms of the negotiations with the religious congregations, the State negotiating team had no prior knowledge of the ability of the congregations to pay the contribution expected. The State adopted a 50:50 negotiating position in regard to sharing the cost of redress but ultimately the State team caved in and settled for far less than its original aim. The congregations initially offered a mere €50 million to €60 million and when that was rejected by the Minister, he ended up settling for a mere €128 million.

The weakness of the Government's position in its negotiations with the congregations led the Committee of Public Accounts, which is made up of Deputies from all parties, to make the near-absurd conclusion that: "The strength of the State's negotiating team should be equal, at all times, to that of those with whom they are negotiating". That is a sad commentary on public service management in this country. There should be no need to make such an obvious statement concerning the competence and responsibility of those representing the State in important negotiations. All too often, however, this Government is allowing the citizens of this State to be consistently out-smarted by better organised interest groups and we are paying the price for our Government's incompetence.

There are two main failings of Government — lack of competence and lack of accountability. Since 2001, expenditure reviews have been introduced for minor programmes but not for the major programmes in health services, education or social welfare. The continental European concept of structured organisational learning from past performance is virtually absent from the main Irish public services. We do not have the sense of an institutional memory in terms of what we got right, what we got wrong and what we learn from the past. To compound the problem, managers and senior managers do not have the necessary management and technical skills to run large specialist or complex services that aim to deliver services.

In an earlier simpler world, it may have sufficed for public officials with a generalist education to run sections of the civil or public service but it does not suffice today. Furthermore, Ministers do not have expert advisers. Instead, they appoint spin-doctors and PR companies to either explain away or hide the mistakes. In many European countries, a Minister responsible for a public service Department typically recruits expert advisers in that field to work in the ministerial office, and that is in addition to the many specialist experts already working in the permanent civil service.

In the Irish public service, where high quality managers with good qualifications and experience have been recruited from outside the Irish public system, they have left both the organisation and the country after a short tenure because of the difficulty of working with the Irish public administrative system. There are a number of very well known examples.

There is a competence deficit not only at technical and managerial level but also at the top level of political leadership. There is a question mark over the competence and suitability of many Ministers to give political direction to major Departments. Deputies Cowen and Martin, who both served as Ministers with responsibility for health, have fine qualities but one must wonder if they were capable of getting to grips with the complex governance issues of the health service. Deputy Cowen made no secret of his anxiety to depart the "Angola brief" for another Department as soon as the Taoiseach would sign his release papers. Deputy Martin has defended his ministerial performance robustly but his overall record is very disappointing.

A culture of full accountability and responsibility is absent from the current political system. The disgraceful refusal of former Minister for Health and Children, Deputy Martin, to accept any responsibility for the illegal nursing home charges is just a particularly glaring example. This culture comes from the Ministers and permeates right down to the permanent public service. Nobody is held fully accountable, nobody is fired and rarely are officials identified as being responsible for incompetence.

In summary, this Government is neither able nor willing to reform the Government and administrative systems to get better levels of service to the public from the taxes the public pay. We need a Dáil body to oversee the management of public service delivery at a reasonable cost. Public servants are big losers from Government mismanagement. Their hard work and dedication is often not properly utilised and frequently goes unappreciated by the general public when the public are frustrated by a badly organised and badly managed system. We all lose from Government mismanagement and incompetence.

The Irish public is forced to accept inferior and inadequate levels of public services because the Government cannot manage. The Forfas annual competitiveness report for 2004 shows Ireland 15 out of 16 countries in terms of overall infrastructure, transport infrastructure, ports, communications infrastructure, energy infrastructure and 14 out of 15 countries in terms of broadband access. These failures in competitiveness arising from lack of infrastructure cost the economy dearly and as the Minister knows, they deter direct foreign investors into this country.

How much of our knowledge of the overspending is due to freedom of information and the Freedom of Information Act? We know about the Abbotstown fiasco because of the operation of that Act. We know about the breakdown in the relationship between the former Minister for Finance, Mr. Charlie McCreevy, and the former Minister for Health and Children, Deputy Micheál Martin, because of FOI. We would not understand half as much as we do now about the shambles that is our medical service and health system without FOI. We have a much clearer picture of the mismanagement of the Luas project through the use of FOI.

No wonder the Government saw fit to fillet the FOI Act. This filleting has without a doubt significantly reduced public and media insight into spending and project management in Departments. We must both reinstate the Freedom of Information Act and establish powers of oversight by the Oireachtas of this Government's spending. Otherwise it will continue to spend like a drunken sailor.

The Minister's response on behalf of the Government to the Labour Party motion is pathetic and includes a list of management words. The Government will have targeted reforms, modernisation of the system of public procurement, new guidelines for the appraisal and management of capital expenditure programmes and rolling multi-annual capital envelopes for better management. We have heard it so often before and I am afraid this Government has not been able to produce.

The former Minister for Finance, Mr. Charlie McCreevy's, big idea for reform three years ago this month was the national development finance agency. Can anyone even remember? Mr. McCreevy rushed the NDFA Act through the Oireachtas at the behest of the Taoiseach as the answer to inefficiency in infrastructure building. In fact, the NDFA has been a flop and a waste of public money.

Recently it was forced to disengage from the PPP upgrade of the M50 because of a conflict of interest with the National Pension Reserve Fund, which is supporting a private sector bidder for the second phase of the upgrade. Why did the Government not identify this problem when it concocted the NDFA idea?

We are all aware of the closeness between Fianna Fáil and the construction industry. Is this extraordinary closeness one of the reasons for short-changing the taxpayer time and again on construction projects? There is more than one way of skinning a cat. While we hope that the era of brown envelopes is over, who is to say that the extraordinary amount of socialising and shmoozing that takes place between the parties of Government and big business blurs the critical faculties of Ministers when it comes to assessing value for money on public contracts.

The Government, in its response, seems indifferent to value for money for the taxpaying public. If the Government had got spending and management of infrastructure right, Dublin could have a public transport system not necessarily on a par with Madrid but perhaps comparable to Budapest, Lisbon or a range of European cities with which we might reasonably compare ourselves, or even expect to be better than.

Without a doubt our children would be in smaller classes as promised by this Government three years ago and the current backlog of new and refurbished schools would have been met. I am sure the Minister is aware that in parts of my constituency the first phone call made when parents bring a new baby home is to find out how to get the child into a primary school four years later, such is the shortage of primary school places.

I smiled yesterday when I heard the Taoiseach promise to fight the flab and eliminate obesity. I do not know if he was talking about Government spending. Is he aware that in many newer areas the Department of Education and Science is now building three storey schools on sites that have been reduced from the standard five acres to three acres? Is he aware that routinely there is little access to gym or sports activities in many schools because there are no facilities? In parts of Dublin the ban on playground running around arises from overcrowding and not primarily from insurance based fears.

If we spent money properly, trolleys in hospitals would be for short-term emergency cases and not the semi-permanent beds they have become. Perhaps the health service would have seen innovations common in other countries, such as rural helicopter-based emergency medical services.

Many women throughout Ireland are still without access to the BreastCheck service, not due to lack of money but rather to our old friends' incompetence and lack of ministerial direction.

Many elderly people enter nursing homes far earlier than they otherwise might because they cannot obtain State funding for home supports to make their homes more user-friendly in their advancing years.

In my constituency, one of the cost overruns that is most galling to people is the purchase, for €30 million, of a site for a prison at Thornton in north County Dublin, when similar farms were available from €4 million to €6 million. This public money, this largesse by the Minister, Deputy McDowell, could have been used to fund primary schools and leisure facilities for growing local communities in Blanchardstown and Swords. Instead, however, the beneficiaries of Government largesse are, yet again, land owners and speculators.

The list of projects short-changed, infrastructure and essential services denied goes on and on. These cost overruns have not only meant infrastructure arriving late and poorly delivered, but they have also denied us much infrastructure that the rest of our EU partners now take for granted. It really is time for the Government to go.

I wish to share time with Deputy Shortall and Deputy Quinn.

I wish to focus the attention of the House on the budget overruns and the waste of public money in respect of transport projects. The most obvious example is spending on roads. The recent "Prime Time" exposé, as well as last week's report by the Committee of Public Accounts and last year's review by the Comptroller and Auditor General of the primary routes improvement programme, have pointed to the same thing — a culture of negligence, oversight and waste when it comes to the use of public funds on major infrastructural projects.

When we talk about overspending on such transport projects the figures are always in billions of euro, not millions. Spending on roads and public transport projects generally must be brought under control to ensure that the taxpayer gets value for money from the public finances. The excessive overspending represents a vast sum of money which is urgently needed elsewhere.

Last year, we heard from the Comptroller and Auditor General that over the course of the national development plan's roads programme, costs increased from €7 billion to €16 billion. In particular, the Comptroller and Auditor General highlighted the flawed procurement procedures and estimation processes that the National Roads Authority works to, including a systematic failure to cost certain elements of schemes at the planning stage.

This was underlined by last week's report from the Committee of Public Accounts. The committee's examination of road contracts delivered under conventional contracts shows an overrun of €357 million between the original estimate for these schemes and the eventual cost. They varied from €495 million, which was the original estimate, to an eventual cost of €855 million, an overrun of 72%.

In the case of design and build contracts the situation was even worse. They showed a 100% increase from an original estimate of €63.6 million to an eventual cost of €128 million. Deficiencies in the cost estimation procedures drawn up some years ago are a significant reason for the cost overrun. In addition, changes in the scope of the projects, generally decided at ministerial level with little reference to the cost, accounted for 20% of the overrun, a whopping €1.8 billion.

We saw a prime example of this in the roads needs study that was drawn up by the NRA in 1998. It was a programme of road improvements affecting the whole country. In some cases, motorways or dual carriageways were proposed depending on local demand. At ministerial level, however, decisions were taken to upgrade several dual carriageways to motorways, which accounted for €1.8 billion.

Decisions were taken, primarily for political reasons, to propose roads with a capacity of 55,000 vehicles per day. The likelihood is, however, that the daily demand for road space in those areas will not exceed 10,000 vehicles. Those political decisions amounted to an overrun of €1.8 billion for the roads programme. We should consider what other transport projects could be funded by that sum. For example, that amount of money would pay for 6,000 buses, which is more than five times the existing Dublin Bus fleet. Decisions are being taken by the Government to spend substantial amounts of money in certain areas, often for political reasons. The effect is that other areas are being neglected. There is a lot of catching up to be done in terms of public transport provision. We can see that is the case in Dublin and elsewhere where the supply of public transport is not meeting demand. One only has to travel by DART or train to see people packed in like sardines. People must wait in bus queues for long periods every morning. There is no incentive for people to follow the official policy, which aims to attract the public from cars to public transport because the supply of buses and trains is inadequate.

Recently, the NRA appointed a cost estimation manager and the Committee of Public Accounts has recognised that some improvements have been made. It begs the question, however, why such a post did not exist from the start. The most important job the NRA must undertake is to estimate the cost of motorway schemes, yet until recently it did not have sufficient financial expertise to do so. That oversight was responsible for approximately 15% of the €9 billion overrun.

The cost of the Nenagh bypass has doubled from the original estimate of €21 million to €43 million. Similarly, the original estimate of the Drogheda bypass was €112 million, while the final cost was €244 million. All the overruns involve ballpark figures of between 70% and 100% of the original estimates. Massive amounts of money are being squandered through the lack of proper control on public spending.

In recent years there has been a move towards the use of public private partnerships for motorway projects. The main experience to date, which was a disastrous one, has been the West-Link bridge. Taxpayers have been paying through the nose —€1.80 every time a driver passes that bridge — and they will continue to pay steadily increasing toll charges until 2020. The initial investment by the NTR company will see a 2,000% return. We have been assured that lessons have been learned from that bad experience, but how can we be sure?

For example, major questions remain to be answered about the actual cost of the N4-N6 Kilcock-Kinnegad scheme. We are told that this toll-based public private partnership scheme, costing approximately €620 million, is good value for the taxpayer. It is difficult to get information on the breakdown of those figures but in recent months the Joint Committee on Transport has been examining the matter. It found that the State will stump up a minimum of €230 million towards the cost of the project and probably a lot more by the time the project is completed. In return the private sector contribution to the cost is likely to be less than 50% and the developers will receive a 30-year concession to operate the tolls on the scheme. In addition, as the Minister is well aware, capital allowances have been made available on its construction costs. Taxpayers, therefore, will pay tolls for the next 30 years and fund more than 50% of the basic costs of a scheme which is being held up as an example of the way forward for public private partnerships. The Joint Committee on Transport has experienced major difficulties in obtaining information on this issue. Last year, for example, the National Roads Authority informed it that the price tag for the State was only €60 million, but it transpired from later correspondence that this figure is a significant underestimate.

Other examples of overruns include the Dublin Port tunnel, which was originally due to cost €449 million and is now due to cost €751 million, and the Luas, which according to the original estimate would cost €446 million whereas the project was delivered at a cost of almost €700 million, of which an astonishing €16 million was wasted on the demolition of the ramp at Connolly Station.

It is clear we need to establish a system whereby major projects of this nature can be monitored as they progress. While the Comptroller and Auditor General does worthwhile work in his examination of these projects, unfortunately he does so after the event. A system is required to ensure the original estimate for any major project can be rigorously examined to determine whether the cost stands up and monitored from construction to completion. Only then can we be certain we are getting value for money.

I welcome the attendance of the Minister for Finance and recognise that he has not yet completed 12 months in office. Although many of the projects referred to arose from decisions taken while he was in other Departments, he was, nevertheless, at the Cabinet table.

It will probably be argued that inflation was the big demon and main cause of our problems. We will hear it was at such a level that over the period between the original provision of the estimate and the completion of the final contract it accounted for the main cause of the increase in costs. Although, on the surface, this anonymous, objective animal called inflation has nothing to do with the Government, I contend the contrary is the case. No Government in the history of the State entered office with the economy in such a buoyant state as the Fianna Fáil-Progressive Democrats coalition which took power in 1997. The economy had been growing for three or four years following a difficult period and internationally the macroeconomic circumstances of the European Union were particularly benign. Interest rates, for example, were falling because of the convergence of the currencies around what became the euro.

The response of the Government to this positive macroeconomic climate was to pour fuel on the fire. As a result of unnecessary tax cuts, particularly in the capital gains area, the economy spun out of control. Cost inflation roared relative to other economies and much of the money that became available was invested in the construction industry, which was simply let rip. If any Minister, including the Minister for Finance, wants to suggest that inflation, by some invisible hand, created the cost difficulties associated with the various projects to which my colleagues referred, he or she must first examine what lay behind it by asking why it was higher here than in other European countries and why construction inflation was much higher here than among our EU partners.

I and my Labour Party colleagues do not accept that something is wrong with the public service or that we have a genetic defect which has caused us to fail to plan properly or take the steps we need to take. We recently celebrated a successful Irish Presidency, staffed by the same people who others now attempt to blame as being incompetent or incapable of doing their jobs. Public servants have been given bad political leadership. The value for money unit function in the Department of Finance under the former Minster for Finance, Charlie McCreevy, failed. Either it was not commissioned or was decommissioned, or it was not allowed to give its clear, coherent point of view. The control systems available were not properly used or were not upgraded to carry out the task.

Instead of a national development plan, we had a national expenditure plan which was not co-ordinated between different arms of Government. According to a reply I received in the House many years ago from the then Minister for Health and Children, Deputy Martin, the Taoiseach was supposed to be the project manager of the national development plan. An examination of the management of the plan shows that keeping an eye on costs and cross-referencing them in areas of expenditure is simply not a credible proposition. For this reason, in addition to giving the Dáil much greater scrutiny of expenditure, as outlined by Deputy Burton, value for money units must be re-established in the Departments of Enterprise, Trade and Employment and Finance as well as in other big spending areas. We must enable and equip our public service personnel with the necessary skills, manpower and expertise to do this task.

It is ironic that a country whose people, by virtue of emigration to the United States and Britain over a period of 150 years, have acquired a reputation for having a particular aptitude for building and development in the private and public sectors of the two countries I mentioned, can have a thriving private sector but makes a complete mess of its public sphere. There must be an explanation which goes beyond inflation and blaming the public service. That explanation rests with unco-ordinated Government leadership and ministerial responsibility.

I share a constituency with the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, and any other role one cares to ascribe to him. At private and public meetings, some of which I have heard about while others I have attended, he has excoriated the legacy the Government parties inherited when they entered Government and suggested the relative failure of the State over the previous two to three decades was a result of a social democratic bias which inevitably lead to a tax and spend mentality that swamped enterprise, snuffed out individual merit and deprived the nation of the vigours of uncontrolled private enterprise.

The same Minister is perhaps the most spectacular sinner when it comes to having a cavalier attitude to tax and waste. As Deputy Burton noted, the rushed and extraordinary decision to buy a farm in north County Dublin for €30 million to build a prison when other farms in the area had gone for sale for €4 million to €6 million is inexplicable. The figure in question amounted to an overrun of many multiples, but the Minister, in a clip on a "Prime Time" programme, defended his position, pooh-poohed any suggestion that his decision was wrong or rushed and showed a cavalier attitude. He continually talks about taxing and spending and attributes wasteful expenditure to the Opposition parties. There can be no better example of waste than the purchase in question, a case for which he had personal responsibility. Is there any sign that he will make himself accountable for his actions or at least apologise for them in the House?

Meanwhile, across the river in the national theatre, a State company, the managing director chose to resign because its figures were wrong by €900,000 and the artistic director departed earlier than he had intended. The two individuals in question took responsibility for a clear case of mismanagement in the company. If senior management in private sector companies, which the Minister, Deputy McDowell, and most of the Fianna Fáil Party love so much, had the same track record as senior management in Government, namely, the Cabinet, they would be obliged by shareholders at minimum to resign, if not attempt to pay back some of the money. Too many worthwhile social projects are being denied necessary funds because of the wilful waste of this Administration.

I move amendment No. 1:

To delete all words after "Dáil Éireann" and substitute the following:

"commends the Government on:

—making available unprecedented levels of investment to urgently tackle infrastructural priorities, including investment of €36.3 billion planned for the period 2005-09;

—the steps which they have taken to promote more efficient and effective management of public capital programmes and projects and to optimise value for money from public capital investment;

—the major advances already made in bridging the infrastructural and social deficits resulting from underspending in earlier periods; and

in this regard acknowledges:

—the trebling of public capital investment since 1997;

—the steps taken by Departments and agencies such as the NRA to improve their management of capital programmes and projects;

—the introduction in 2004 of rolling multi-annual capital envelopes for better management and control of public capital programmes and projects;

—the publication this year of new guidelines for the appraisal and management of capital expenditure proposals in the public sector; and

—the Minister for Finance's plans to introduce targeted reforms to the procurement of public construction contracts and reform and modernisation of the system for employing construction-related consultants."

In my address I will focus on the issue of value for money for the vast amount of funds provided each year by taxpayers. I will outline what the Government has done to address some of the issues in the public contract area. I will also point to the real improvement in public services that has occurred across the board over the lifetime of the Government and its predecessor.

The Government has managed the resources of the country well. The country has been transformed since 1997. Our record is one of success, one that stands up and that is regarded as an example for the European economy. This is true whether the measure used is economic growth, jobs created, the level of unemployment or the burden of debt. This economic success has generated resources to massively expand our public infrastructure and our public services against a background where there was historic underinvestment by successive Governments for a range of reasons over decades. The idea that one Administration can sort that out overnight is ridiculous.

There have, however, been instances over the years that could have been managed better. Some of my ministerial colleagues will deal with their own particular areas in this debate and I do not intend to comment on specific areas. My colleague, the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, addressed criticisms on the accommodation of asylum seekers and the proposed prison site at Thornton during Question Time today. The Minister for Transport will address criticisms of the roads programme, indicating the steps taken by his Department and the NRA to improve the management and cost effectiveness of the roads programme.

As investment projects proceed from initial concept to final tender price, the estimates change as more information comes to light and changes in the scope and specifications are made. Often it can be many years before a project moves from concept to tender stage and it is ridiculous to compare estimates at both these stages. The key benchmark for comparison purposes of cost overruns is the tender price. When a person is in a position to do the job, is it done for the price in the tender? That is the issue. To suggest otherwise is to suggest that costing can be based on doing everything the same day in the same way. It is ridiculous. If we are to have an intelligent discussion that does not suggest everything is all right or is a waste of time, we must have an honest debate about the issues before us.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report of April 2004 detailed the reasons for the increase in the cost of the NDP roads programme. He identified construction and land inflation as contributing 40% of the cost increase. He further said that less than 20% was due to initial cost underestimation, which he put down to a systematic failure to cost certain elements of the schemes at the planning stage.

The recent report by the Committee of Public Accounts on foot of the Comptroller and Auditor General's examination noted that the cost of the roads programme in the early years of the NDP had increased sharply. However, it attributed the increase to a considerable expansion in the scope and the number of projects involved, a high rate of construction inflation and an earlier deficiency in the cost estimation prior to 2000.

The committee acknowledged that the NRA had advanced significantly on its situation four or five years ago and had made improvements incrementally. That is the fair and accurate picture of the situation.

There is still a long way to go.

That is an accurate reflection and I heard no one proposing the motion making those balanced points.

I read out the figures.

I did not interrupt any Opposition speakers. Every time a Minister speaks, people have more to say. Opposition Deputies were listened to with respect and they should reciprocate.

The establishment of the cost estimation function and the expertise that has come with it are showing results. The committee further acknowledged that contracting procedures had improved since my predecessor announced different ways of contracting. Many road construction projects are being completed on or within schedule and within budget, but that was not mentioned in the motion. Recent examples include the N2 Carrickmacross bypass — three months ahead of schedule — the Monasterevin bypass — one year ahead of schedule — and the Cashel bypass — seven months ahead of schedule. We must also acknowledge that in the transport area in particular delays have arisen as a result of planning and environmental objections and legal challenges, many of them supported by those on the other side of the House.

The Government's investment programme, both under the NDP and the new multi-annual investment envelope, is making real progress in addressing our infrastructure deficits. Measured as a proportion of output, this is taking place at twice the rate in Europe generally. I will outline progress later in my address but the key point is that this investment, which will amount to in excess of €36 billion over the period 2005-09, must be made to ensure our future economic well-being.

We must, as a matter of course, strive at all times to do things better. The Government has been proactively addressing the issues of better management and implementation of capital programmes and projects and my Department is playing a central part in this process.

I will now outline for the House some of the initiatives the Government has put or is putting in place to enhance the management of capital programmes and projects. One of my key roles as Minister for Finance is to advise Government on prioritisation of resources for capital investment purposes and setting the framework within which capital programmes and projects must be appraised and implemented. On foot of this role I have, with Government approval, taken forward the work commenced by my predecessor on the following initiatives: the five-year rolling multi-annual capital envelopes framework incorporating a carry-over facility, guidelines for the appraisal and management of capital expenditure, rules relating to public procurement and public sector contracts.

Prior to the budget in 2004, the capital allocation for each year was decided in the budget for that year. This gave rise to considerable uncertainty and to a stop-go approach to capital spending. In addition, money not spent within the year had to be surrendered to the Exchequer, giving rise to further difficulties with managing projects.

We changed that by introducing across the board a major reform of the system of allocating capital investment resources. Five-year funding plans for each ministerial area were agreed. Provision was also made for the first time to allow for the carry-over to the next year of unspent allocations up to a maximum of 10% of these capital provisions. The objective of the new system is to introduce relative medium-term financial certainty for Ministers and implementing agencies so that they can better plan and execute their capital programmes. The benefit of that is there for all to see. That is particularly important given the scale and timeframe of many of our modem infrastructural projects. The carry-over system allows agencies to get away from the tendency to rush end-year expenditure under the old system.

The multi-annual framework is underpinned by requirements designed to ensure that the substantial financial commitments in the envelopes are complemented by a commitment by Departments and agencies to implement all the guidance laid down by the Department of Finance on the appraisal, procurement and management of capital projects. The arrangements also now require that each Department furnish an annual report to my Department detailing progress on the rolling five-year programme. Departments are also required to carry out selective checks at project level on compliance with the capital appraisal guidelines and to report on this in their annual report.

In essence the new system is promoting better management of capital expenditure by providing relative financial certainty and by underpinning as a complement to this best practice in the management of programmes and projects. The response to the new system has been uniformly positive. The Government introduced that fundamental change and those criticising us now worked in the past on a year-on-year capital programme which, in many cases because of the level of resources, was a maintenance programme to keep the show on the road. Those are the facts.

The Government recently approved my proposals for revised guidelines for the appraisal and management of capital expenditure proposals in the public sector. These are testament to the Government's commitment to maximising value for money from capital expenditure. They will complement the multi-annual capital envelopes.

The new guidelines are designed to encourage a better approach to appraisal and management of capital programmes and projects and to reflect best practice. Key features of the new guidelines are that all projects over €50 million must undergo a full cost benefit analysis and all capital programmes with an annual value in excess of €50 million and of five years duration or more will, for the first time, be required to be evaluated over the course of each five-year cycle.

The new capital appraisal guidelines contain all that is necessary to assist proper costing, appraisal and efficient execution of projects. The guidelines explicitly state as part of the appraisal process that "the cost of the project should be the expected outturn cost, including construction costs, property acquisition, risk and contingency" and that "the cost of possible future price increases and variations in project outputs should be factored into the calculation of project costs". That had not been happening until now, giving people the opportunity to claim that the processes were faulty. They have not been. The methodology needed to be comprehensively overseen and the Government has done so. The new guidelines also provide——

Is it not a bit late?

No, what had to be done was all those costs had to be included. Otherwise, there is a false argument. It was never the case that the bypass referred to by the Deputy would cost €21 million. When the project was ready for tendering, no price was mentioned. The Deputy's argument has only one logic: the project must be undone and taken back.

It was costed at €18 million but it turned out at €31 million.

The new guidelines provide for a clearer definition of the respective roles and responsibilities of Ministers, the Department of Finance, other Departments and public bodies involved in the management and appraisal of capital programmes and projects. In arriving at policy decisions on either investment programmes or individual projects, Ministers must take all relevant factors into account, such as the economic costs and benefits associated with programmes or projects and considerations of social and public good.

Under the multiannual capital investment framework, Departments must arrange to carry out project level checks for compliance with the capital appraisal guidelines and report on these to the Department of Finance. My Department in turn will carry out spot checks to satisfy itself regarding adherence to the guidelines.

On public procurement, I have announced measures designed to ensure a much closer alignment between the agreed tender price and the final outturn cost of construction projects. I want to achieve much greater cost certainty in construction projects. It will facilitate implementing agencies to plan their capital programmes in an optimal and efficient way by providing relative financial certainty at project level. To achieve this, the Government has decided to introduce fundamental changes in how public sector construction contracts are carried out. With effect from the end of 2005, public sector construction projects will be tendered competitively on the basis of a fixed-price lump sum contract in which appropriate construction risks are identified and transferred to contractors. Under this system the amount of variation, or extras, will be limited to the greatest extent possible.

The Government is also modernising the system for employing consultants, such as engineers and architects, to decouple professional fees from project costs. The existing system which sees consultant costs going up as project costs increase is unacceptable. The new system will involve moving away from paying consultants a percentage fee based on the final cost of a project, and instead requiring professionals to tender for fees on a fixed lump sum basis. Competitive fee bidding is being introduced in a way that will not compromise design quality.

The construction industry is being consulted about how these changes will be implemented. It is time that best practices followed in the private sector are implemented. I am satisfied that the Government side and the contracting side will benefit from the certainty introduced under the targeted arrangements. The cumulative impact of the three initiatives will be to radically improve the management of capital programmes and projects. They will decisively tackle the historical tendency for wide variations between original concept and tender prices so as to further narrow the variation between tender and fixed outturn costs. My Department will be proactive in monitoring the impact of these measures.

The Opposition motion alleges a so-called mismanagement of public finances by the Government which has resulted in areas of need being deprived of resources. This is not true. The returns on investment in physical infrastructure are substantial. The ESRI, in its mid-term evaluation of the national development plan, concluded the GNP level will be approximately 3% higher than it would have been in the absence of the plan's infrastructural investment. Since 1997, the Government's economic policies have greatly increased employment and prosperity. The resources generated by this have been applied in a way which has benefited all sectors of society.

In 1997 we inherited a situation of virtually zero Exchequer capital investment in public transport.

One could get a bus or a train before the Government came into office. Now there is none.

One cannot get a bus or a train now.

The Opposition does not like hearing about this because it likes talking about public transport.

The Government inherited a good transport infrastructure.

When it had the opportunity when it was in office, it put no capital investment into public transport.

The Government has not bought a single new bus since it came into office.

Shouting me down will not change this.

Was this in the days of keeping the show on the road?

Since 1997 the Government has invested a cumulative €2.3 billion in public transport. This has lead to major increases in capacity, especially in the greater Dublin area——

There have been no new buses for four years.

——including the introduction of the Luas with a capacity of 20 million passengers per annum, an increased 30% capacity on DART services and rail lines to suburban areas.

These are the facts to which Deputy Burton should listen.

When was the last time the Minister took a bus?

The Government has also halted neglect of the rail network by increasing capacity and making our railways safer. When the Government took office, a railway safety programme had to be introduced before any investment could be made because the Opposition left it in an unsafe state.

It took this Government only two years to destroy the public transport system.

When was the last time the Minister was on a train?

Further improvements are underway and more will be done in the years ahead.

The Government has embarked on a hospital modernisation programme, with the largest infrastructure capital expenditure in the last 50 years. Waiting list data collected by the Department of Health and Children at the end of 1997 reported some 45% of adults waiting in excess of 12 months for surgery. This was acceptable to the Opposition when it was last in office. The national treatment purchase fund estimates that waiting times have fallen significantly with 37% of patients now waiting between three and six months and 43% waiting between six and 12 months for surgery. This means that approximately 80% of patients now wait less than one year for treatment, representing a major reduction in waiting time lengths.

The total discharges in inpatient and day care services for 2004 show an increase of over 35% since 1997. The number of day care treatments in 2004 has doubled since 1997. Since the end of 1997, the number of consultant posts has increased by 47% while there has been a 145% increase in the number of occupational therapists, a three quarter increase in speech and language therapists, a 91% increase in the number of physiotherapists and a 41% increase in the number of medical and dental personnel. These large increases in medical personnel are delivering more treatment across a range of areas. Over 30,000 more personnel are employed in the health sector. Is this a waste of resources?

The majority is just administrative staff.

This year the Government will spend €7.17 billion in investment in education. This is an increase of over €4.24 billion on the levels we inherited in 1997, leading to major improvements in services. The pupil-teacher ratio has fallen at primary level from 22:7 to 17:4 and at secondary level from 17:7 to 15:4. Some 9,000 more teachers are employed and approximately 6,000 special needs assistants from a base of virtually zero. Is this a waste of resources? At third level the number of students has risen from 95,000 to 139,000 and expenditure per student from €6,500 to €10,800. This has been accompanied by massive increases in capital investment in our schools and colleges from €120 million to almost €500 million.

Significant increases in resources have been made in welfare and carers for disabled persons. For carers, spending has risen from less than €600 million in 1997 to €2 billion. These are important improvements in public services on both the current and capital side.

Hear, hear.

This House should not have a crazy debate that suggests this never happened. It is true more needs to be done. There are pressures on services that need to be addressed.

What about the waste?

This is the reality.

This is not the case. There has been much waste.

I will not accept the claim that there are no benefits from the policies pursued by the Government.

We did not say that. However, serious amounts of money are being wasted by it.

There has been an addition of 500,000 units to housing stock, of which some 60,000 were State-assisted social, voluntary or affordable housing units. The massive expansion has been facilitated by major investment in water and wastewater facilities where there was a historical problem as outlined to us by the EU.

Since 1997, we have achieved one of the best economic performances in the world, growing by an average of just over 8% per annum, 400,000 more jobs have been created and unemployment has fallen from 10% in 1997 to 4.2%. The scourge of emigration has ended and we now have inward migration. We have the second lowest Government debt ratio in the eurozone, at approximately 30% of GDP, compared to 65% at end 1997. Lower debt interest payments have freed up resources to help provide more public services. I listened to Deputy Quinn, whom I respect as a parliamentary colleague, but I do not accept the claim that reductions in capital taxes lead to a boom in inflation. Reducing those taxes got more transactions on the market and increased our take from capital taxes from €158 million to over €1,500 million which is going into those services people are seeking.

How much is the real increase?

We have been able to invest massively in public services, reduce debt levels while presiding over major tax reductions. The Government has achieved results and will continue to do so. It is making the necessary modifications and changes that we must all ensure, in terms of respect for taxpayers' money, to get the maximum possible bang for our buck. I do not accept the Opposition motion. I commend it to the House.

I thank the Minister for commending the Opposition motion.

I did not commend it. I robustly withdraw my commendation of the Opposition motion.

The Minister must accept graciously that he commended it. I thank him for coming to the House and saying that.

I welcome the opportunity of this Private Members' motion to address issues relating to the increase in the cost of the national roads programme generally and of specific projects, and to outline the good progress being made in the transformation of our national road network. I am glad to have the opportunity to demonstrate the strength of our record in upgrading the national road network and to outline measures being taken to avoid a recurrence of the underestimation in the early years of the NDP, and avoid cost overruns during the construction stage of projects.

Two aspects of the issue of costs have received coverage recently, namely the increased estimated cost of the NDP mandated upgrade programme overall, and cost overruns on individual completed projects. The increase in the cost of the overall NDP, which occurred in the early years of the programme, was well documented in a report by Fitzpatrick Associates in August 2002 and in a report by the Comptroller and Auditor General in April 2004. The Committee of Public Accounts report of 12 May sets out the findings and recommendations of the Committee of Public Accounts based on the Comptroller and Auditor General's April 2004 report.

I accept and welcome the finding of the Committee of Public Accounts report that the increase in cost can be attributed to the considerable expansion in the scope and number of projects involved, a high rate of construction inflation in the early years of the programme and some cost estimation deficiencies prior to 2000.

Some cost deficiencies.

That is the true picture. These findings are in line with the Fitzpatrick report of August 2002 on the national roads programme and with the April 2004 special report of the Comptroller and Auditor General. The latter's report was based on detailed work by his office over a 13-month period in 2003 and 2004 and traced clearly the reasons for the increase in the estimated cost of the programme in the 1999-2002 period. In summary, this April 2004 report concluded that the reasons for the increase in the cost of the national roads upgrade programme mandated in the NDP from €7 billion in 1999 to €15.8 billion in 2002 were inflation, 40%, failure to cost certain elements, 16%, changes in scope of projects, 20%, and project-specific increases on projects with non-standard elements such as the Dublin Port tunnel, 24%. These reasons for the increase in the cost of the programme in the early years of the NDP have been known and well documented for some time.

That does not excuse them.

Does it make them all right?

Before outlining the measures taken to strengthen cost estimation and control, I will comment on recent coverage of cost overruns on individual projects based on data contained in an appendix to the recent Committee of Public Accounts report. This appendix compared the cost of some projects completed in the years 2000, 200I, and 2002 to pre-construction estimates. I understand the original scheme estimates used in the appendix date back to 1996. This comparison fails to take account of inflation between the date of the original estimate and the year of construction or of project changes in the intervening period. It is as valid as comparing the price of a new house today with the price charged in 1996.

At its simplest level, the comparison fails to take account of the remarkable economic progress enjoyed by Ireland since this Government was first elected to office. I need not remind Deputies of the increase in incomes, the growth in jobs and the higher value of investment. At a minimum, the original scheme estimate should be adjusted for inflation and, if possible, for changes to project scope. Adjusting the total figure in the appendix for inflation alone, using the Comptroller and Auditor General-derived inflation factors for the period, would, I am advised, give a total estimate of €832 million for the projects involved instead of €562 million and reduce the cost overrun from 75% to 18%.

Is that construction industry inflation or ordinary inflation?

Adjusting the original estimates to reflect changes in the scale and scope of projects as ultimately constructed would, no doubt, further reduce the gap if not eliminate it entirely. The "Prime Time" programme also compared the outturn cost of a range of projects to initial estimates. In the absence of the detailed "Prime Time" analysis it is difficult to comment in detail but it would seem that the original estimates date back as far as the early 1990s and relate to project concepts that were very different from those subsequently implemented. It would seem that an entire RTE programme was devoted to a comparison of apples and oranges.

Some of the projects used as examples in the "Prime Time" programme such as the Dublin Port tunnel and the south-eastern motorway have unique characteristics that affected the costs. The reasons for the cost increase on these projects are dealt with in the report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and relate to the technical complexity of the Dublin Port tunnel and the high cost of land on the south-eastern motorway. It is important, to be fair to those involved in the planning and design of major infrastructure projects, to acknowledge that the preparation of estimates at project concept stage is difficult and that it is only when planning is well advanced that robust estimates can be developed. I fully agree with the Minister for Finance that the only true measurement of the cost of a project is the outturn after the tender price is agreed.

There are still huge variations.

They are not huge.

They are minor.

The bypass cost variation the Minister spoke of was huge.

This is by no means to be taken as suggesting or implying that deficiencies did not occur in cost estimation and control. Undoubtedly they did. In response, the NRA has strengthened its cost estimation, control and procurement procedures. This is designed to have more accurate cost estimates from the earliest stages of a project and to ensure greater certainty of outturn costs between tender stage and completion date.

Improvements put in place include greater use of the more efficient and cost effective design and build lump sum fixed price contracts, appointment of a cost estimation specialist who reviews all cost estimates, benchmarking of tender and scheme outturn costs, design and construction standards established by publication of the NRA specification for roadworks and design manual for roads and bridges, and better site investigations to limit the scope for claims by contractors related to site conditions.

It is a bit late in the day.

These measures have led to an improvement in project management and consequential tightening on cost controls.

Too late.

We are building for at least 100 years, not for next week. The beneficial impacts of these measures are evident, for example, in the completion of most projects in recent years within budget and ahead of contract completion dates. The bypasses at Monasterevin, Ashford-Rathnew, Cashel and Ballincollig are well ahead of schedule, and on budget. The initiatives being taken by the Minister for Finance, with regard to reform of public sector construction contracts particularly in the area of fixed price tendering and new standard contracts, will further strengthen the cost estimation and control on projects.

My Department will continue to pursue the strengthening of cost estimation and control arrangements with the NRA. In doing so, the recommendation of the Committee of Public Accounts regarding further strengthening of the capacity of the NRA in the area of cost control and financial management will be fully taken into account.

It is important in this debate about cost overruns and value for money that we do not lose sight of the fact that while road projects are costing more than initially estimated in 1999, they still represent good value for money given the significant economic, transport and safety benefits to be achieved from addressing the deficiencies in our road network.

That is reassuring.

Cost benefit analyses are carried out as projects progress through planning so that the impact of cost increases is taken into account and evaluated before binding contracts are made. It should also be noted that road construction contracts are subject to an open competitive tendering process that ensures that projects are competitively priced. In addition, a number of independent evaluations such as a report by Fitzpatrick Associates in 2002 have all acknowledged that the national roads programme is, in general, well managed.

Not if one is paying a road toll for 30 years. The Minister is only €9 billion out. Is that well managed?

I would rather take the view of the independent assessors in all of this than listen to some of the guff coming from the other side of the House.

Only €9 billion out.

I would like to put on record the good progress we are making in implementing the very ambitious upgrade programme provided for in the NDP and in transforming our national roads network for the benefit of everyone. Efforts to focus on cost increases that occurred in the period up to 2002 cannot detract from the irrefutable fact that route by route, the national road network is being transformed. Since 2000, nearly 50 projects with a combined length of 340 km, including more than 180 km to motorway-dual carriageway standard have been completed.

At what cost?

Work is under way on another 24 with a combined length of 240 km including nearly another 180 km to motorway-dual carriageway standard. Another 19 with a combined length of more than 330 km including more than 280 km of motorway-dual carriageway standards are at tender stage.

I will not mention all the projects that have been delivered. The estimated cost of the national roads development programme mandated in the NDP increased in the early years of the NDP. That fact is well documented in reports dating back to 2002. However, action has been taken to strengthen cost estimation and control and, in recent years, most projects have been delivered within budget and ahead of contract completion dates.

The progress being made in implementing the upgrade programme is evident throughout the country. Anybody who talks to people, as I do when travelling through the country, will know that there is recognition of the investment programme in regional areas——

Did the Minister ever visit the Dublin area and talk to people?

——to make them economically sustainable, to create jobs and have a social capacity and quality of life that does not require that everybody look to the capital city.

That is what this Fianna Fáil-led Government is delivering and I am proud to be a member of it.

The Minister should take a train or a bus and learn about Irish life.

I wish to share time with Deputies Perry, Costello and Moynihan-Cronin.

I support the motion. There is scarcely a Department or Minister, including the Taoiseach, who does not stand condemned for the gross and unforgivable waste of taxpayers' money over recent years. Taking the hand off the tiller of control of public expenditure is a direct result of the Government becoming arrogant because it has been in power for too long. It is a Government that no longer feels responsible to the public for the use to which it puts its money.

The Minister, Deputy Cowen, spoke about how much money the Government has spent. We did not accuse the Government of not spending money but of wasting money. We agree that a cost overrun is the difference between the tender price and the actual cost of the project. We are not complaining about that, we are complaining about the waste of money that occurs before a tender price is even secured. In many projects the waste of money is largely due to the long lead-in time, which is often due to Government indecision.

Take as an example the saga of the northside Luas. The proposal was debated at great length and was eventually withdrawn on the basis of an offer to the Tánaiste to build a metro for £1 billion. That was seven years ago and there is still no decision on whether a metro will be built, but it will not be built for £1 billion. The prices currently quoted are up to €5 billion and €6 billion. Money is being wasted on such indecision.

The other cause of waste is inflation. The Minister spoke about inflation as if the Government had nothing to do with it and was above such matters. This is despite the fact that the Government created inflation by its ludicrous release of many projects simultaneously, which increased the price of everything. Then there was a stall in which nothing happened before more projects were suddenly released. Of course, this will increase prices. The price of land also increases over time. A big contributor to the increase, however, was an extremely generous deal on compulsory purchase orders which was largely negotiated by the Minister of State, Deputy Parlon. It catapulted him into the Dáil, which led to his appointment as Minister of State.

It was partly done through tax relief.

New benchmarks in the cost of land have been set by the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform and that will feed into the cost of CPOs. Every road will cost more as a result of the ridiculous deal he made.

Over time the nature of projects changes and, of course, they will be more expensive because standards are being changed. However, this is not an excuse for indecision and procrastination. Although long lead-in times are a large element in the cost of increases, uncontrolled expenditure and waste of money, perversely, no lead-in time is also a cost. Ministers get a rush of blood to the head and decide something must be done immediately. That puts them in a weak negotiating position. I have seen this happen many times, particularly when money is released at the end of the year by a Department. The attitude is that the money must be spent. Naturally, the supplier has the Department over a barrel and can charge what they wish. That is another cause of wastefulness in spending on public projects.

There is also the example of the M50. It is almost finished and I hope it will link with the N11 at the end of next month. Even as it is completed it is already too small and we are preparing to spend another couple of billions of euro widening it and, perhaps, constructing an alternative. The M50 project is a lesson in how not to build a road. There was a lead-in time of 20 years and it took 20 years to build. We have been discussing it for 40 years or, on average, one mile per year. There is no excuse for it.

I spent some time researching the prices and discovered the cost per kilometre of the first phase of that motorway was €6.8 million. The cost per kilometre of the last section was a staggering €60 million. There is no excuse for that. Lessons must be learned.

I wish to refer to the change to fixed price contracts which the Government is proposing as the solution to all wastefulness. I understand the reasoning behind the proposal, but it is not the solution and might even result in higher costs. This debate is about waste of money and preventing it. Under the proposed new regime, all risks will be passed to the contractor. However, the contractor will price accordingly. The risk will be included in the price of the contract.

Under the old regime, extras arising in the course of a contract were passed on to the Department that commissioned the project, but that only happened when such extras arose. Under the new regime, the price of every risk will be built into projects regardless of whether they arise. Ultimately, the Government might end up spending more. It must be conscious of that when moving to fixed price contracts. I accept that such contracts give certainty but they are by no means the solution. The solution is good planning.

It results in keener tendering.

The planning phase, including the tendering phase, takes an enormous amount of time. There is no excuse for it. The Government has two years left in office and I urge it to use taxpayers' money wisely in those years.

I am delighted to speak on this important motion. The Government talks about value for money but it does not have a notion of what value for money means. This country owes a huge debt of gratitude to the Comptroller and Auditor General, Mr. Purcell. The Minister, Deputy Cowen, spoke about increased spending but the Government is taking €27 billion more out of the economy than it did in 1997. It is easy to spend double the investment.

With regard to value for money, a scandal per week is discussed in the Committee of Public Accounts. Now, the Minister speaks about introducing due diligence. The NRA does not even employ an accountant. That became clear at the Committee of Public Accounts. The Minister is the biggest spender in the economy but he does not have a due diligence accountant at the top level of the National Roads Authority. He then speaks about value for money.

Now there are recommendations of cost benefit fixed price contracts. This was identified by Mr. Purcell two years ago but nothing happened since then. There has been over-estimating and refixing and renegotiation of contracts. This is an outrageous scandal of mismanagement at the highest levels. If the Minister were running a business, it would have been bankrupt years ago.

Consider the level of indirect taxation and that every home is getting €50,000. This is a cash rich economy and the taxpayer is paying the money. The Government assessment of a project is how many millions have been spent. No cost benefit or output analysis is carried out. The Minister for Finance has left the House but he seems to have forgotten that the 1994 guidelines were not applied in the Punchestown project. Money was being spent in every Department without being sanctioned by the Department of Finance. The Minister calls that management and value for money.

It is high-handed of the Ministers to speak as they did this evening. They must think people are stupid when they recite their litanies.

Thank God, they are not. They can see the benefits throughout the country.

They paid dearly for it.

That is the reality.

This is not a victimless situation. We are discussing how taxpayers' money is spent. People are left on hospital trolleys and there are unfinished schools. When the Government spends €1 million or €1 billion, somebody is suffering.

The former Minister for Health and Children has cost the State €500 million since 2001, when he was told about the situation by senior civil servants. The only person who was sacked recently was Michael Kelly. He was the fall-guy and nobody else was sacked. Michael Kelly told the Minister in 2001 that there was an anomaly in the Health Act but the Minister did nothing. That cost the State €500 million——

That cost has not accrued in the past three years, and the Deputy knows that as well as I do.

Since 2001——

To suggest that amount accrued in the past few years is a nonsense. The Deputy should refer back to the coalition Government in the mid-1970s, which was the root of the problem.

The Minister has a selective memory. Since 2001, the cost has been €500 million.

It has not been €500 million a year since 2001.

Will the Minister outline the cost of his public relations adviser?

What about electronic voting? Machines worth €55 million are being stored at the Minister's instigation. I hope he has not forgotten them.

I did not instigate it. The Opposition blocked the use of the machines, which worked perfectly well.

I am not swallowing the Minister's comments. He commissioned the electronic voting project that cost €55 million. Where are the machines? On the Government's track record on managing the economy, it fails on all counts. The Government should not mention the words "value for money" because it has no notion what it is about.

I compliment Deputy Burton on tabling the motion, given that the recent "Prime Time" programme on this issue was sobering. I will limit my remarks to the performance of the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, who is one of the worst offenders in wasting taxpayer's money. He recently spent €29.9 million on a site for a new prison in north County Dublin, which was between eight and ten times the market value, without following proper tendering or selection procedures. The new prison, which will replace Mountjoy Prison, will result in the demolition of the recently built new women's prison, the Dóchas centre, which cost €19.3 million, and the new special school at St. Patrick's Institution, which was completed 12 months ago at a cost of €8.3 million but was never opened. An exorbitant fee of €2.5 million has been spent on fire safety in the training unit and that will also be demolished. Over the past eight years, the Minister and his predecessor have wasted more than €45 million on capital projects in a prison that will be demolished and another €29.9 million on land for a prison that may never be built.

Over the past three years the Minister has closed five prisons at Shanganagh Castle, the Curragh, Fort Mitchel, Spike Island, Loughan House and Shelton Abbey, containing approximately 500 prison places, in his row with prison officers about overtime. He recently taunted them with the gratuitous remark, "You can't beat City Hall", and then refused to attend their representative association's annual conference, exacerbating the three-year crisis. This industrial relations dispute will continue while the Government is in office.

The wasteful approach on prisons has been compounded by a similar attitude to accommodation for asylum seekers. Broc House, Donnybrook, in the Minister's constituency, purchased for a whopping €9.2 million to accommodate asylum seekers but which has not been used in the five years since its purchase, exemplifies the gross wastage of taxpayers' money. Parnell West Hotel in my constituency was purchased for €3.55 million in 2001 to accommodate asylum seekers. It lies idle having been condemned as dangerous on health and safety grounds. Was a proper structural examination conducted by the OPW and, if so, why was the property purchased?

Earlier this year, the Minister purchased a large bed and breakfast establishment on Gardiner Street, Dublin, for €2 million. Suspiciously, the accommodation changed hands shortly before the contract for asylum seeker accommodation was granted. He recently purchased the Jesuit centre at Hatch Hall, Lower Hatch Street, Dublin, for a massive €15 million for asylum seekers. Why was this purchased, given all the accommodation lying idle, which has been surplus to requirements for years?

This is all a dreadful waste of taxpayers' money. Money has been spent on a brand new prison that is about to be demolished, an outrageous amount was spent on land for a prison that may never be built, five prisons closed for no good reason, property purchased for accommodation of asylum seekers was never used or was too decrepit and unfit to use and money was spent on more property for them this year even though the number of those seeking asylum has reduced by 75% over the past three years. After only two years in government, the Minister had spent €29.3 million on consultancy services but the most extravagant of his deals has been the sale of the Department's offices on St. Stephen's Green for €52 million and the transfer of the Department to rented accommodation down the street. The Progressive Democrats and Fianna Fáil are playing fast and loose with taxpayers' money. The description of this range of activities by one Minister over three years is nothing short of criminal.

I commend the motion to the House. It is easy to throw statistics around but one of the most frequently used figures to highlight the squandering of the Government's resources is the €55 million spent on electronic voting machines for last summer's elections. It was the most blatant waste of taxpayers' money ever. A sum of €50 million may not be significant in the context of the annual Government spend but it is significant in the context of the facilities and services it could provide.

I refer to the roll-out of the BreastCheck screening programme. It is available on the east coast but an apartheid system applies to health services for women, with the BreastCheck service provided in the east and none in the south or west. This essential service is denied to women in my county, Kerry, and throughout the rest of the south and west. Women are dying in the south and west from breast cancer because of the Government's failure to extend the free breast screening programme. Screening saves lives. The amount needed to run the programme in the south and west is precisely the amount the Government squandered on electronic voting. A sum of €50 million would build BreastCheck clinics in Cork and Galway and allow the service to become operational with enough resources and personnel for a full year. However, the Government chose voting machines instead of saving women's lives.

Government Members will inform the House tomorrow night that the Minister for Health and Children recently announced capital funding for BreastCheck in Connacht and Munster. However, excuse me if I am a little cynical about that because this is the fifth time the same funding has been announced in the past three years. Meanwhile, not a single block has been laid in Cork or Galway for the roll-out of BreastCheck, while the electronic voting machines have been stored to gather dust at further significant expense to the taxpayer. When the Minister of State at the Department of Finance contributes to the debate tomorrow, will he outline the up-to-date cost of the storage of the machines and what plans the Government has for them? We want X-ray machines, not voting machines.

Deputies

Hear, hear.

I have met hundreds of women over the past few months regarding the lack of breast screening in Munster and there is a sense of outrage among them as they have seen their hard-earned taxes squandered on pet projects such as the Punchestown centre and electronic voting. The Government makes political decisions on how public money is spent and its political judgment to date has not favoured the ordinary citizen, particularly in the provision of health services. The Minister for Finance was asked earlier on the Order of Business by my party leader, Deputy Rabbitte, when money would be provided for the roll-out of BreastCheck and when the programme will be up and running. The former Minister for Health and Children said in 2000 that BreastCheck would be available nationwide in 2002 while the current Minister said it would be available by 2007, but the people who will operate the programme say it could be at least 2008 before it is in place. The Government should re-examine the way it spends money and try to save women's lives.

Debate adjourned.
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