Denis Naughten
Question:88 Mr. Naughten asked the Minister for Agriculture and Food the practical steps she is taking to address the burden of cross-compliance on farmers; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [4056/07]
Priority Questions.
Direct Payment Schemes.
Cross-compliance is an integral part of the direct payment regime following the introduction of the CAP mid-term review changes in 2005. With the extension of cross-compliance to a number of other scheme areas from this year, including the disadvantaged areas scheme and REPS, the delivery of annual payments to farmers of the order of €1.9 billion is now covered by the requirements of cross-compliance. This involves two key elements. First, a requirement for farmers to comply with 18 statutory management requirements, SMRs, set down in EU legislation on the environment, food safety, animal health and welfare and plant health. Second, a requirement to maintain the farm in good agricultural and environmental condition, GAEC.
The rate of on-farm inspection required for cross-compliance is 1% of those farmers to whom the statutory management requirements or GAEC apply. However, at least 5% of producers must be inspected under the bovine animal identification and registration requirements, as this level is prescribed under the new regulations.
My Department has published two information booklets on cross-compliance, which were issued to all farmers in early 2005 and also in August 2006. These guides have detailed the cross-compliance requirements under various EU regulations, as well as giving information on inspection controls on farms. Information on cross-compliance was also provided by my Department at various single payment scheme meetings with farmers.
In consultation with farming organisations in the context of the charter of rights for farmers, my Department has adopted a weighting system within the cross-compliance inspection regime whereby due account is taken of infringements of the cross-compliance requirements which are, on their own, inadvertent and minor in nature, do not result from negligence of the farmer and are capable of occurring in practical farming situations. In such circumstances, a certain level of tolerance is applied while, at the same time, the farmer is notified of the infringement. The system that has been developed also ensures that any penalties are applied in a standardised fashion throughout the country. It should be noted that while 1,389 farmers were subject to cross-compliance penalties under the 2006 single payment scheme, a further 977 farmers, while technically in breach of the requirements, did not suffer any penalty because of the tolerance regime applied by my Department. Breaches of cross-compliance in 2006 resulted in some €706,000 being withheld from farmers by way of penalties representing 0.05% of Ireland's national ceiling of €1.3 billion.
The vast bulk of penalties applied were for breaches of rules on the identification and registration of bovine animals — for example, tagging and registration of births, movements and deaths.
Further consultations will now take place with the farming organisations on arrangements for inspections under the new SMRs that have come on stream for 2007. I am committed to ensuring the maximum level of integration of inspections across all areas, including inspections under the disadvantaged areas scheme. On this basis, the overall number of annual inspections under the single payment scheme and the disadvantaged areas scheme is unlikely to exceed 8,000. This is a significant reduction from the 18,000 inspections annually under the old coupled regime.
The policy of my Department towards on-farm inspections has been to give advance notification of up to 48 hours. However, this was unacceptable to the European Commission and my Department was obliged to perform a number of inspections without prior notification in 2006. The vast bulk of inspections — some 92% of the total farms selected for single payment scheme/ disadvantaged areas scheme inspection in 2006 — were all pre-notified to the farmer.
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EU regulations governing the single payment scheme would allow my Department to give pre-notification of inspection in all cases where certain elements of cross-compliance are involved, for example, the nitrates regulations. However, my Department is committed, in the Charter of Rights for Farmers 2005-07, to carrying out all single payment scheme and disadvantaged area scheme checks during one single farm visit in most cases. This obliges my Department to respect the advance notice requirements applicable to the most stringent element of the inspection regime, namely, a maximum of 48 hours notice but with no advance notice in a proportion of cases.
My Department is in regular contact with the European Commission with a view to simplification of single payment scheme requirements with particular reference to advance notice of inspections and tolerances. The Commission's initiative on simplification of the CAP and the review of cross-compliance which is under way provides the opportunity for a fresh look at cross-compliance and other single payment scheme issues. I am pressing for this, both in direct contact with Commissioner Fischer Boel and the President of the Council, Minister Seehofer. I raised the matter at the Council on Monday of last week where several member states had similar problems to ours. It is not surprising then that simplification of the CAP and the cross-compliance regime in particular are core issues for the current German EU Presidency.
Many farmers are currently living in fear of cross-compliance inspections. As a result, some farmers are literally packing it in and reducing numbers. I will give the Minister an example. This morning, I met with farmers on the Offaly-Westmeath border. They told me that when 70 farmers recently held a meeting about the development of an airport in County Offaly, there was only one objector. Five years ago, some 90% of farmers would have objected to such a development but the situation has changed because farmers want to get out of farming. The Minister will be going to Brussels to try to overturn what she and her predecessor agreed at EU level. Commissioner Fischer Boel has been quoted extensively as saying there is no justification for no-notice inspections. Is it not the case that her German counterpart automatically gives notice to all farmers and that where standards of milk production meet basic quality requirements, no dairy inspections take place? The reality is that we have a different set of rules here than that proposed by the Commission or that being implemented in other countries. On that basis, will the Minister review the lack of notification with regard to inspections?
The Deputy's suggestion that we have instilled fear in farmers throughout the country is not true.
It is the position on the ground.
To have people like the Deputy raising harum-scarum ideas can instill fear in farmers. Since I was first appointed, I have implored the former Commissioner, Commissioner Fischler, and Commissioner Fischer Boel that we should have pre-notification. The impression given by the media did not reflect what the Commissioner said in Germany. My colleague, the Minister of State, Deputy Brendan Smith, discussed the issue with her at Green Week, and I followed on from that meeting last Monday week at European Council level.
The view among all of our colleagues is that the issue of cross-compliance needs to be simplified, which is what the President would like to achieve before the end of his term — I met him last year to discuss this. I will be vociferous in putting forward a number of issues within the cross-compliance sector that I would like to see addressed. The Commissioner has indicated she will bring forward proposals in March to take on board a number of the concerns expressed by all member states.
It is important to note that Ireland was the first country, on the basis of decoupling, to feel the factors arising from cross-compliance, but these are now being experienced in other member states. It is on that basis that we can gather greater momentum. However, it is incorrect to suggest we are trying to change what we agreed. Rather, we are trying to refine the system and I assure farmers my goal is to ensure there is pre-notification of inspections. There are a number of other issues within the cross-compliance criteria that I would like raised and addressed in the context of what the Commissioner will put forward in March and the health check of 2008.
The Minister promised to issue all farmers with a copy of the checklist the Department of Agriculture and Food will use. It was not issued for the 2006 inspections. When will it be issued to farmers? If a person brings a car for an NCT, it is known what conditions and checks are required before the vehicle is brought in.
Will the Minister ensure that when an inspector carries out an on-farm inspection, the farmer gets a copy of the report on the day and does not have to wait for it? When will farmers get clear and unambiguous information with regard to the requirements under cross-compliance? A number of public meetings have taken place where representatives of the Department and of Teagasc have contradicted each other. There is serious confusion among the Department's inspectors with regard to the interpretation of the rules and regulations under cross-compliance. How are farmers supposed to understand the rules and regulations when the officials cannot decipher them?
First, the checklist will be made available prior to the inspections this year.
When?
Prior to inspections this year. Second, a copy of the inspection report was made available during the inspections in 2006 and, in any case, the farming organisations have had a copy of the checklist for a considerable period as I made it available to them prior to negotiations. Third, Dr. Noel Cawley has been appointed by me to oversee a number of the issues on cross-compliance, most particularly the farmers' charter. It is my intention to take his advice on board.
We must proceed to the next question.
We had this discussion during the last Question Time for the Department. The Deputy will note from an agreement between Teagasc and my Department that there is absolute clarity on the matter.
It is the same story.
We must move to Question No. 89.
It may not necessarily be what Deputy Naughten likes to hear but I am duty bound to ensure that farmers are within the frameworks of entitlements and eligibility.
We must proceed to Question No. 89.
I will provide further information for farmers during the spring, early summer and autumn on the context of other aspects of cross-compliance that come to fruition in 2007.
When will they get the checklist? We need a date.
It will be another 32 pages.
Food Labelling.
Mary Upton
Question:89 Dr. Upton asked the Minister for Agriculture and Food if she will report on the status, including providing the dates of meetings, of the interdepartmental or agency group set up to progress implementation of the recommendations of the consumer liaison panel in regard to food labelling and food prices; when the recommendations of the panel in regard to food labelling will be implemented; the recommendations of the panel in regard to food labelling that have yet to be implemented; the problems that need to be overcome before such recommendations are implemented; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [3771/07]
In 2002 the Department's consumer liaison panel highlighted consumer concerns about food labelling. Subsequently, the food labelling group was established in July 2002 to examine the matter and to come forward with recommendations by the end of the year. The group, which was widely representative of the major stakeholders in the food chain, such as consumer interests, industry, Departments and agencies, presented its report to the Department in December 2002. An interdepartmental and agency committee to progress the recommendations contained in the report was established in April 2003 and met on five occasions. At its final meeting on 3 February 2004, the committee agreed that there was no need for further meetings of that committee as substantial progress had been made on the implementation of the food labelling group's recommendations and the remaining matters were being pursued by the appropriate agencies.
As regards the recommendations of the group, the position is that all recommendations except two have been fully addressed. The outstanding issues related to labelling of origin at certain outlets and the definition of substantial transformation. As regards the former, all beef sold or served in the retail or catering sector is now required by law to carry an indication of country of origin.
The primary legislation enacted by the Oireachtas last year, under which our beef labelling requirements on country of origin were extended to the catering sector, also allows for the extension of country of origin labelling to other meats. However, because different origin labelling requirements apply to other meats in the retail sector under current EU legislation, and different systems of traceability are in operation, coupled with some import-export complexities, the situation is not as straightforward as it is for beef. The European Commission has opposed member states introducing legislation in this area that is in excess of common EU requirements. Nonetheless, my Department has been involved in consultations with the Department of Health and Children on draft new regulations to require operators in the retail and catering sectors to provide country of origin information on poultrymeat, pigmeat and sheepmeat. It is intended to submit these regulations, when they are finalised, to the European Commission for approval, as required by EU legislation.
Of course, the preferred way forward is that the Commission would progress the question of country of origin labelling of all meat at EU level. The Minister has been in regular contact with the European Commissioner for Health and Consumer Protection on this subject and also raised the issue in the Agriculture Council, and she will continue to take every opportunity to press for progress on this matter. The Minister has also used the opportunity provided by bilateral meetings with EU ministerial colleagues to seek their support for EU action on country of origin labelling and so far has been encouraged by their response.
Last year the Health and Consumer Protection Directorate of the European Commission undertook a consultative process on a wide range of issues in this area, under a document entitled "Labelling: Competitiveness, Consumer Information and Better Regulation for the EU". I arranged for the Department to make a submission on food labelling and country of origin labelling of meat through the Department of Health and Children, which co-ordinated the Irish contribution to this process. This confirmed our strong preference for origin labelling of meat and meat products, and the desirability of there being common EU-wide legislation to support a labelling regime. I also ensured that the second outstanding issue, namely, the definition of substantial transformation, was raised in the submission to the Commission.
I thank the Minister of State for that detailed response, which has answered many of the questions in my original queries and some I had asked previously. I am somewhat concerned that when we raise issues such as traffic light food labelling, this kind of question is kicked back to the Department of Health and Children although the Minister for Agriculture and Food has commented on it. I am concerned about the interaction between the Departments. Will the Minister's consumer liaison panel examine the traffic light issue as a specific aspect of food labelling, one that is relevant to the Department of Agriculture and Food as well as the Department of Health and Children? It has been passed back and forth. I know the Minister does not fully agree with my views or those of Deputy Naughten in this regard but I would like to hear the views of the consumer liaison panel. As the panel comes under the banner of the Department of Agriculture and Food, it might be appropriate for it to examine this issue.
The dairy industry in my part of the country would not be enamoured of the idea of traffic light labelling — I heard this directly from industry members, particularly with regard to cheese and other dairy products. As issues arise they are considered by the different agencies working in this area. Very quick action was taken following the consumer liaison panel's highlighting of consumer concerns on the issue and subsequently the food labelling group and an interdepartmental agency implementation group were established. All except two of the 21 recommendations made by the food labelling group have been implemented. We want to see additional progress on food labelling and this is an issue we highlight consistently at European Union level. I have outlined our preferred method of dealing with the matter. With regard to traffic light labelling, the recommended daily allowance is another suggestion put forward as a method suitable for labelling.
We are determined to make progress within the European Union on this issue. The directorate dealing with health and consumer protection has held a consultation process on the issue to which we submitted a strong submission through the Department of Health and Children. The Minister for Agriculture and Food, Deputy Coughlan, can verify that we have received more positive responses from Ministers of the other member states than we would have got some time ago with regard to the need for the European Union to have better systems of food labelling.
We are determined to make progress on the issue. While some progress has been made, we are determined to make further progress on issues such as substantial transformation and country of origin. There are serious obstacles, but the preferred route is to get European Union-wide recognition of the need for country of origin labelling.
Company Closures.
Martin Ferris
Question:90 Mr. Ferris asked the Minister for Agriculture and Food if she will make a statement on the recent statement by the European Commission that Greencore is only entitled to full compensation on the basis it has fulfilled all its obligations to its former workers. [4169/07]
Under the relevant EU regulations, the restructuring aid for the sugar industry has to be drawn down on the basis of an aid application submitted by the sugar processor. The applications must contain a restructuring plan, including a social plan detailing the actions planned in particular with respect to re-training, redeployment and early retirement of the workforce concerned. In July 2006, Greencore duly submitted such an application, which indicated that the proposed redundancy payments for the Mallow workers were in accordance with the ruling of the Labour Court. I am aware there is an ongoing dispute between the company and the workers over the interpretation of the Labour Court recommendation and while I regret the parties have not yet resolved their differences, I have no function in that regard. The position regarding that dispute was fully explained by my colleague the Minister of State with responsibility for labour affairs, Deputy Killeen, in reply to a parliamentary question last Wednesday.
The aid application submitted by Greencore was approved in September subject to the outcome of the judicial review proceedings instituted by Greencore in respect of the Government decisions regarding the allocation of the aid. In view of these legal proceedings, it would not be appropriate for me to comment further.
I thank the Minister for her reply. Is the Minister aware that a reply to a question by Mary Lou McDonald, MEP, to the European Commission two weeks ago stated that compensation for the closure of the sugar plants at Mallow and Carlow would only be paid once all the members and actions defined in the restructuring plan had been implemented by the undertaking and verified by the member state? The reply further stated that this system enables the member state to ensure that all obligations linked to the restructuring plan, such as redundancy arrangements for the workers, are met.
Does the Minister accept, given that Greencore has refused to honour its original agreement with the Mallow workers, it is not entitled to draw down the full amount awarded to it, particularly in light of the fact that the €4.4 million owed to the workers pales in comparison to the €146 million awarded to Greencore in compensation? Does the Minister also agree that in refusing to comply with an order of the Labour Court, Greencore has, in effect, admitted it is in the wrong? Has the Government not an obligation, as holder of the public share in the company, to ensure Greencore does not receive one cent of compensation until such time as it has honoured its original commitment to the workers and has lived up to all the outstanding commitments to the workers in both factories?
I must take into consideration that judicial proceedings are in progress on this issue. I am aware of the situation. I have met the workers twice and know the unions have met Klaus-Dieter Borchardt the Deputy Chef de Cabinet of Ms Fischer Boel who has outlined a response similar to that provided to Mary Lou McDonald, MEP. The Commission's position explains the relevant provisions of the EU regulations which accords with the Department's understanding of the regulations.
Deputy Ferris mentioned the Labour Court. While not a statutory matter, we would all like to ensure that all companies with the financial wherewithal to abide by Labour Court proceedings and decisions would do so. However, as has been said, the company has decided it is not prepared to alter its existing redundancy provisions. Similarly, the trade union has not changed its position and is not prepared to accept the company's offer. We would like to bring this matter to a finality. To reiterate, the services of the Labour Court remain at the disposal of the parties if they wish to return to get clarity on the matter.
I thank the Minister for her reply. The Minister is aware there was a disagreement between the union and Greencore with regard to the interpretation of the Labour Court decision. This was subsequently clarified by the Labour Court. However, because the clarification did not suit it, Greencore has effectively ignored it. Not alone that, the Minister is part of a Government that retains a public share in the company and has allowed this to happen. The Labour Court is there for a purpose, but its adjudication has been totally ignored which is wrong.
The golden share has nothing to do with the issue. It only refers to permission to be given by the State in the disposal of the sugar assets and has nothing to do with the day to day workings of Greencore or anything arising from the EU restructuring scheme. Therefore, I cannot interfere, particularly when a judicial review is in the offing. We would love to bring clarity to the matter and bring it to finality, particularly for the workers. The Labour Court is at the disposal of both parties and willing to facilitate an outcome. I regret there is a dispute between the parties. All I can do is reiterate my call for the matter to be brought to finality and for clarity from both sides as to the best outcome.
Does the Minister intend to exercise the golden share with regard to the future of the property?
All the golden share allows me to do is give permission for the sale of the property, but we are not at that stage.
Is the Minister prepared to exercise her rights in that regard?
The matter is before a judicial review and I am precluded from any public comment on any aspect of it in case that process would be seen to lack independence and clarity, which is what I want to pursue until the matter is brought to finality.
Grant Payments.
Seymour Crawford
Question:91 Mr. Crawford asked the Minister for Agriculture and Food the number of farmers who have not been paid their single farm payment in each of the years 2005 and 2006 due to difficulties over inheritance issues or partnerships; her views on whether young farmers should be given all the support necessary and payments made a priority; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [4082/07]
The position in so far as payment under the 2005 single payment scheme is concerned is that some €1.199 billion has been paid to over 128,200 applicants, 99.9% of total eligible applicants, including €14.3 million in refunding the modulation reduction on the first €5,000 paid to each applicant.
There are a small number of cases which have not yet been paid. In some instances, the Department is awaiting legal documentation in the cases involving inheritance applications. There are other cases where farmers submitted 2005 single payment application forms but never submitted an application for the transfer of the single payment entitlements to them. The Department is arranging to make direct contact with the persons involved requesting them to submit the transfer application form immediately. The number of cases involved at this stage is extremely small but it is the Department's intention to pursue all of these cases in order that the farmers involved have an opportunity to apply for the transfer of entitlements.
The Department will process these applications as soon as they are received. If they are in order, the entitlements will be transferred to the 2005 single payment scheme applicant and payment for both 2005 and 2006 will be issued. Under the 2006 single payment scheme, €1.197 billion has been paid to 123,300 applicants. Full payment has been issued to 122,200 farmers, while a further 1,100 farmers have received the 50% advance payment. Farmers paid by the Department to date under the 2006 scheme account for almost 97% of all applicants. Any cases remaining to be paid are generally under query for one reason or another. The timely issue of payments to all farmers, including young farmers, is a priority for the Department.
The introduction of the single payment scheme in 2005 brought the new concept of payment entitlements into the direct payments system. Payment entitlements are not attached to land but are the property of the farmer active during the reference period and in receipt of direct payments under one or more of the livestock premium and arable aid schemes.
Payment entitlements may now be sold with or without land, but can only be sold without land once 80% has been used in one calendar year. On the other hand, entitlements may be leased to another farmer only if accompanied by an equivalent number of hectares of eligible land. Entitlements may also, of course, be transferred, with or without land, by gift or through inheritance. The registration details of entitlements may also be changed, for example, from one name to joint names or to partnerships.
It is incumbent on the Department to maintain a database of entitlements containing the name and herd number under which entitlements are registered with a view to ensuring that payment be issued to the correct holders of the entitlements for any year. When entitlements are transferred from one farmer to another or when the registration details of the herd number are changed, the parties must complete an application to have the registration details of the entitlements changed.
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The application forms to be completed by farmers engaged in transferring or changing the registration details of entitlements are available through the Department's website and local offices, as well as at Teagasc offices.
The closing date for receipt of applications to transfer entitlements for 2006 was 16 May 2006. However, where an entire holding and entitlements are being transferred within the ten-month period, such applications may be accepted at any time during the ten months. Some 6,000 applications have been received in the Department to transfer entitlements for the 2006 single payment scheme. Approximately 2,300 of those applications were received after the closing date and many have been received only in the past couple of months. Those late applications are, nevertheless, being processed.
The Department is making every effort to have all those applications processed as quickly as possible. Applications for the sale of entitlements with land, the lease of entitlements, the transfer of entitlements by gift or inheritance, or the transfer of entitlements to partnerships must be accompanied by appropriate documentation such as a copy of the deed of transfer or lease agreement. In over 50% of cases, the required documentation was not furnished with the original applications, thus necessitating further contact with the parties involved.
I thank the Minister of State profusely for giving so much information for which I did not ask.
It is always good to be informed in opposition.
Some things are useful.
Absolutely. I have a certain anxiety for what may be a small number of farmers, although I have still not found out how many are owed moneys under the 2005 or 2006 schemes.
The figure for 2005 is approximately 100.
I simply ask how many have not been paid. I have serious anxieties regarding those young people encouraged by their parents, uncles or aunts to stay in farming through being granted use of the land by deed, transfer or partnership. There seems to have been a dreadful breakdown in the operation of the scheme. In one recent case, a Teagasc adviser had never heard of the forms that had to be filled in and had to have them sent to him.
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It was a Teagasc adviser rather than an ordinary farmer. Farmers are not getting a sympathetic hearing regarding such issues; they are not being heard at all. They have been told to send in material, but no matter how they try to communicate with the relevant personnel, they do not receive the required answers. The important fact is that they are certainly not getting the money. For young farmers, money is the No. 1 issue and in many cases it is their total profit. I appreciate the Minister of State giving me all that information, but I want to know how and when those young farmers caught in transfer mode will be paid.
For 2005, approximately 100 cases remain outstanding, 99.9% of applicants already having received their entitlements. In those 100 cases, we await documentation. It is important to state that every effort is made to process applications as quickly as possible, but when it comes to transfer, they must be accompanied by the appropriate documentation, such as the copy of the deed of transfer or the lease agreement. In over 50% of cases, the required documentation was not furnished with the original application, thus necessitating further contact with the parties involved. In fairness, departmental officials are following people up to assist them in collating the documentation.
The closing date for 2006 was 16 May, but we received applications right up to Christmas. We were very flexible with the date and certain of those of whom the Deputy has spoken may have applied to us quite late as a result. Some 6,000 people applied for transfers in 2006, but 2,300 of them did so after the closing date, many of them in the weeks before Christmas. The application forms are not only available on the website but in our local offices and the Teagasc offices. If there is a Teagasc adviser who does not know that the forms are in its offices, perhaps we should be told about that.
If the Deputy wishes to raise particular cases, we will be delighted to help as we wish to assist such people. From the Department's perspective, it has been a great success story, with 99.9% of people paid for 2005. Despite all I have said to the Deputy regarding 2006, 97% of applicants have received their payments. It has been a great success and if there is an isolated case with which the Deputy would like us to assist, we would appreciate his informing us.
The Minister of State, Deputy Brendan Smith, will be more than happy to facilitate the Deputy with his constituents. He will certainly be in touch.
I heard about it one night on the Adjournment.
Absolutely. Those who went first to the Minister of State, Deputy Brendan Smith, and then came to me are still in trouble. Those are the simple facts.
There are people in grave difficulty and I wrote to the Minister directly before Christmas regarding at least two individuals in dire straits. It is not funny. While it may be gratifying to emphasise that 99.9% of people have been paid, if the Minister of State were among a small number of Deputies not to have received last year's salary, she would not be happy either. I would like to have elicited the figures for 2006. Will the Minister consider making personnel available in such difficult circumstances to deal with matters?
There are only 100 cases outstanding.
There are only 100 for 2005, although we do not know how many there are for 2006. If we are sincere about young farmers, we should try to give them all the help we can rather than hindering them.
In 2006, 1,100 farmers received the 50% advance payment, although their cases are currently being queried, which is why they have not yet received the balance. In some cases, consolidation or stacking may have been involved and we just need the documentation.
If those about whom the Deputy is concerned have their documentation in order, they should furnish it. Some people have been genuinely delayed owing to inheritance issues and questions being dealt with by their solicitors such as family settlements. We must have the documentation, but we are absolutely sincere in saying to the Deputy that our doing so well regarding the payments has been a great success in European terms.
We strongly desire to reach the stage where we have dealt with 100% of payments and will be thrilled to assist farmers. We want to give them the money rather than hold on to it, but at the same time we must have documents such as the copy of the deed of transfer and the lease agreement. I hope the Deputy understands that with 50% of the necessary documentation absent and officials chasing it, we are doing our best and working very hard to ensure that we pay out. If we get the documentation from the farmers, particularly the small group outstanding for 2005, we will deal with their applications immediately.
I am sure the staff in Raphoe would like to go down and meet them.
The staff in Raphoe are hard at work, like all my departmental staff.