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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 8 Dec 2009

Vol. 697 No. 2

Communications Regulation (Premium Rate Services) Bill 2009: Instruction to Committee (Resumed).

The following motion was moved by the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources earlier today:
That, pursuant to Standing Order 172, Standing Order 127 is modified to permit an instruction to the committee to which the Communications Regulation (Premium Rate Services) Bill 2009 may be recommitted in respect of certain amendments, that it has the power to make provision in the Bill in relation to amending the Communications Regulation Act 2002, by amending section 52, section 53, section 55, section 56, section 60 in Part V of the Communications Regulation Act 2002 and any consequential amendments to any other sections in the Communications Regulation Act 2002 in order—
to extend the provision to grant consent and set conditions for consent in section 53 of the Communications Regulation Act 2002 to the NRA, for all national roads; with local authorities retaining the consent-giving authority for local and regional roads;
to update the provisions in relation to the consent procedure set out in section 53;
to provide for the NRA to make a scheme to charge for the use by network operators of ducts on national roads provided by an authority;
to amend the provisions concerning emergency roadworks;
to amend the provisions in relation to cost apportionment for electronic communications infrastructure relocation due to road improvements;
to provide for specific conditions in legislation that may be set by an authority, without prejudice to any other conditions they may also set;
to update the provisions in dealing with regulations and policy directions to road authorities;
to update the provisions on service of notices;
to update definitions;
to make any consequential amendments needed to take into account the changes above.

It is important when we change legislation, even in this rather cackhanded way, that we do so to make sure that any process we establish is as efficient as possible. I have some concerns about the Minister's amendment. Deputy Coveney and I tabled a similar amendment but this one is complicated, I suspect unnecessarily so because there are two Departments involved, the Departments of Transport and of Communications, Energy and Natural Resources. At various points in the amendment there are references to consultation between the Departments on guidelines and a scheme of charges but these are on top of a fairly complex system for someone trying to access ducting in roads other than national primary or major routes because the local authority still has a role there.

This leads to a one-stop-shop, whatever that is. It has not been defined but there is a need to provide a one-stop-shop to ensure that all these systems are streamlined and the process can be expedited. I am concerned that the Minister mentioned this only at the end of his speech where there is a reference with no explanation. In response to a parliamentary question that I put to the Minister on 25 November last he described a process that made my blood run cold. The Minister has a responsibility to set up a one-stop-shop, to make sure that we can develop the broadband infrastructure that we desperately need, particularly in a time of recession.

He has the power to do that but does not seem to have the inclination to do it, although he certainly could do it if he chose. Instead, he started his reply by talking about the complex process. It is not that complex. Using ducts in the road is not exactly rocket science. He then referred to the first stage, which is internal engagement with relevant State bodies, the next stage is a review of State-owned networks determining routes, etc. I do not know why that has to take time because it seems odd that the data is not easily accessible.

The Minister will then set up an implementation task force. That was when my temperature went down to zero. To put icing on the cake he will consult what alternative options telcos might suggest. Either he is going to do this or he is not. This tortuous process begs the question of whether the Minister is willing to make a decision. He said that sometime in 2010 he expects the one-stop-shop to be set up, although it is undefined and undescribed.

This may be a cheap shot but we must be wary because under an earlier Minister, this Department intended to introduce a fisheries Bill to rationalise the fisheries boards. In 2005 the relevant elections were deferred and this year we have been asked to defer them again, for the fifth time. I have no doubt that the Minister in 2005 said the new system would happen in a year, if people would vote his way. I hope this Minister will prove me wrong. I do not have confidence in the Minister if he uses this circuitous, tortuous route of using an implementation task force, consultation and alternative options. Where will that lead us?

The National Competitiveness Council has just published a document making the point that so many of our exports now depend on the IT sector that we need an enabling measure in the form of a one-stop-shop. The report argues too that State involvement is necessary to establish a next generation network. That raises the question of whether we can afford to leave it to the market. The Eircom experience surely tells us that we cannot. It was a disaster that destroyed our chance of taking a leading role and developing our chance of becoming competitive. I recall the then Minister, I think it was Deputy Dermot Ahern, saying that Ireland would be at the forefront of the IT revolution, etc. The way in which Eircom was privatised and the loss of management of the network and its infrastructure has left a big hole in our chance of developing broadband and a next generation network. We must study that broad picture.

This issue is a small part of the big picture but it seems that even with the support of the Opposition, which the Minister has, he should consider simplifying this at every opportunity. The more complicated it becomes, the more open to challenge in court. A small example of this is that the authorities can have a representative present when a duct is being opened. That makes sense, even if the NRA is the authority. The person who should be present is the area engineer working for the county council because that person will be available. This Bill does not make clear whether, if an issue went to court it could be argued that the person was not a representative of the NRA, and that could lead to difficulties. It is a minor point but it raises issues about the unnecessary complexity of this amendment.

I flagged at an early stage that I wanted to use the vehicle of the Premium Rate Services Bill as it provides that ComReg will also address this issue given that it is a communications regulation issue. Deputy McManus is right to say that this involves two Departments and two agencies and getting agreement between them can be a complicated process. It is sometimes not as easy or as quick as one would want but one is better to do it and get it right. I said on Second Stage that this was the most appropriate mechanism for making legislative change to improve the level of access to ducting across the State. That objective set me on course to use this Bill.

We had to recommit the Bill to Committee Stage to introduce this amendment because of a ruling from the Bills Office on Committee Stage, which was its right and under its remit to make. The level of ducting available to us, particularly in State infrastructure, puts us at an advantage. It is right for us to use such State services. This is not a situation where one just leaves it completely to the market to see what level of broadband accrues. There is a strategic interest in the State having an optimal and internationally competitive network. We have to use whatever mechanisms we have within the European market and other proper legal arrangements.

That is exactly what we are saying. We just need to get on and do it.

Agreed. That is why we are putting it into this Bill and trying to get it through the Dáil and into action. There are other areas in terms of broadband access in schools, the rural broadband scheme and the national broadband scheme where, similarly, the market is not able to deliver and we are willing to act.

The evolution or development of the one-stop-shop will have to be done on the basis of what is actually happening on the ground and how we can most effectively deliver backhaul broadband infrastructure. The evolution of this is along the lines of, first, determining what we have and, then, determining common and easy access to it. As Deputy Coveney said, the NRA is not a telecoms company so it is right for us to assist the NRA or any other agency, be it the RPA, the canals company, CIE, Bord Gáis or a range of different State infrastructure companies. A one-stop-shop provides the capability of having a common regulated approach which makes it easy not only for the telecoms and Internet service companies, but also for the infrastructure company itself.

Has the Minister set a timeline for the establishment of the one-stop-shop?

The process is ongoing. The mapping out which we have done of the State infrastructure which could have access to such infrastructure was an important first step. This Bill is an important further step and it will continue to evolve in conjunction with advice from ComReg and ascertaining what the market is doing at the same time to make sure we get the fastest, most widespread deployment of fibre across this network. How far that goes will to a certain extent evolve depending on the market. If we have a failure in the market, one would pursue at a much more fundamental level the use of State assets and their integration to provide an alternative solution. That is something where an alternative approach——

The Minister wants to cater for market failure before the State fulfils its potential in terms of its assets.

No, one is looking to push to make sure that one has market success. One complements it with the work one is doing in the one-stop-shop and the provision of State infrastructure.

A crucial first step is that one gets the basic infrastructure and access right, and this is what we are legislating for in the Bill. I welcome the comments from both Deputies opposite in that the broad provisions here in terms of the charging arrangements, the notification arrangements and what one does in the event of having to move ducting and do repairs, from what I have heard them say, are broadly along the right lines. It will have to work out in reality, however, and the sooner we get the Bill passed and this amendment approved, the sooner we can get on with the business of actually delivering that fibre infrastructure.

Question put and agreed to.
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