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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 10 Oct 2012

Vol. 773 No. 13

Topical Issue Debate

Food Prices

The day of action yesterday highlighted a number of issues, one of which was the continuing problem with inequality in the food supply chain. The Minister will know there exists a large arms inequality, with the farmers on one side and the supermarket chains on the other. Three such chains, Tesco, Dunnes Stores and Musgrave Retail Partners now account for more than 70% of the supermarket sector and as a result prices paid to the producer are driven down by these organisations.

This is as a consequence of practices which include the payment of hello money, obliging producers to "pay-to-play", trade agreements which incorporate large rebates to retailers and forced contributions towards stores' discount campaigns. I wish to focus on these practices and ways in which they might be addressed.

As the Minister is aware, in 2010 the IFA produced a report entitled Equity for Farmers in the Food Supply Chain. The latter contains many recommendations in the context of striking a balance between producers and retailers. I hope that, like me, the Minister agrees with many of those recommendations, some of which relate to the forthcoming legislation. In the absence of achieving the balance to which the IFA's report refers, the farming industry could potentially become unsustainable in view of the relentless drive to reduce prices and protect the bottom-line profits of supermarket groups. EUROSTAT has indicated that retailers in this country enjoy margins in excess of those which obtain in other European countries. Consumers can sometimes benefit as a result of this. In the main, however, it is the shareholders who enjoy significant benefits.

It must be noted that people's diets are becoming increasingly unhealthy. I refer in this regard to the ever-growing presence of processed food in, for example, children's lunch boxes. Such foods contain large amounts of fats, salts and sugars and this is having an impact on the health of the citizens of the nation. The Minister may inquire as to how this matter relates to him and his Department. Processing food is a cheap way to maximising profits, especially in the context of the packaging, marketing and other tools that can be used to promote such food. The tools to which I refer are essentially used to drive down the costs relating to products. I went to my local supermarket at the weekend and discovered a colourfully packaged packet of processed cheese that is obviously aimed at children. The cost per kilo for this product is €24 and the price paid to the farmer for the milk required to produce it is just over €3. While it can be claimed that some of these products are Irish in origin, I understand that some of the milk used in a number of them is sourced from Canada or the Netherlands. It is possible to obtain genuine, non-processed cheese such as Gubbeen Cheese, from Cork, or Kileen Farmhouse Cheese, from my constituency for a great deal less than €24 per kilo. It must be stated that there is a sizeable differential between €24 and €3.

I ask the Minister to outline Government policy in respect of this matter. How is it intended to address the fact that those who mass produce processed food are receiving greater rewards than those who provide quality local products? How does the Government intend to ensure that food will be less commodified in order that local suppliers will be encouraged in their efforts? Will the Government consider introducing policies aimed at addressing the issue which arises in the context of food quality and people's diets? I would be grateful if the Minister could comment on my concerns regarding hello money, arrangements relating to retailers' power to impose licensed trade agreements - which contain built-in rebates - on producers and the fact that people are being obliged to make forced contributions in respect of stores' discount promotions. These practices are unacceptable and we must introduce the necessary regulations in order to ensure that the issue of social justice that exists in the context of retailers and producers can be addressed.

I thank Deputy Keaveney for raising the issue of the relationship between the various stakeholders in the food supply chain, which has been the subject of much debate not just in Ireland but across Europe for some time. As the Deputy indicated, there is a sense that there is an imbalance of power between suppliers and the substantial retail chains. At national level, suppliers and distributors in the food sector have contended that there is a real imbalance whereby retailers are transferring risks which are properly their responsibility onto suppliers by means of unfair practices such as money being demanded in respect of promotional offers etc.

Deputy Keaveney made specific reference to hello money, pay-to-play and forced contributions to store discounts. These are some of the practices which are a cause of concern. As the Deputy is probably aware, the relevant 2006 legislation specifically outlawed hello money and other such practices. The difficulty has been that while these practices are outlawed, enforcement has not proven possible because no one has come forward to highlight cases where the abuses have occurred. Accordingly, the programme for Government contains a proposal to enact legislation that would lead to the introduction in the grocery sector of a code of practice that would have statutory effect. The idea is to try to establish a code of good practice in respect of many of the different issues involved, namely, payments for marketing costs, shrinkage, wastage within stores, positioning of products within stores, special promotions, forecasting errors, etc. We must ensure that these issues are covered within a code that will give rise to a fair sharing of the risk between those on both sides.

We are determined to introduce the legislation to which I refer. The enabling power will be provided for under the competition and consumer Bill, which is currently on the A list and which should be brought forward during the current session. It is clear that there is a need to strike a balance between the two sides and also to ensure that there is fairness.

Deputy Keaveney raised much broader issues in the context of how we might ensure that consumers will have the opportunity to choose better dietary products. Such issues go well beyond fair trading rules and would probably be better raised with Ministers who deal with nutrition and matters of that nature. I accept what the Deputy says but the rules laid down under the Competition Acts are designed to enforce the free market and ensure the people will have a choice and will not be unfairly forced to pay high prices. That is what we seek to police. The choice in respect of competing products on supermarket shelves must be determined in the context of education and tax policy, particularly in the context of the fact that certain products are treated differently for tax purposes.

On the notion that people are being unfairly forced to buy products, 70% of the market is controlled by 70% of a minority of players, namely, Tesco, Musgraves and others. In such circumstances, a balance must certainly be struck between producers and retailers. I referred earlier to a particular processed cheese which is colourfully packaged, which is obviously aimed at children and which retails at €24 per kilo. If an Irish farmer is fortunate enough to supply the milk used in producing this cheese, he or she will be paid €3 for his or her trouble. There is a significant differential between paying €3 for milk and €24 per kilo for processed cheese. Local artisan cheeses such as Gubbeen Cheese from Cork or Killeen Farmhouse Cheese from Galway cost less than €24 per kilo but the farmer who supplies the milk will still be paid €3 for it.

I understand the necessity of striking a balance. I am of the view, however, that we must create a whistleblower system in respect of the criteria that apply, particularly because producers are fearful of offering evidence regarding the unfair or unacceptable practices or arrangements being imposed on them by retailers. I ask the Minister to take account of the fact that much more regulation is required. An iron fist must be brought bear. In addition, we must begin to tackle this issue in the context of social justice. It is small producers, rather than Tesco, Musgraves and those others who control 70% of the market, who must be protected.

I take Deputy Keaveney's point. We have a number of instruments in our armoury such as the rules concerning abusive dominance to prevent a dominant market player who uses certain practices. Cartels are not permitted to collude against the interests of suppliers. We propose to introduce a code of fair practice to govern dealings between suppliers and retailers. We are not seeking to remove from the picture the normal negotiations that accompany contracts. We cannot set margins or prices as this would be well beyond our capacity and it would not be in the public interest as there needs to be competition and keen pricing. We want to ensure fairness in the market and to allow opportunities for complaint without fear of reprisal. I will consider the Deputy's suggestion for whistleblower provisions. One of the fears of suppliers is that they would be delisted if they made complaints about practices. We seek to overcome this issue by putting in place a code of fair practice and making arrangements for complaints to be made in confidence. Prosecution requires witnesses and that has always been the problem in other European countries where codes of this nature exist. We are seeking to adopt best practice. The European Union has a policy of achieving greater fairness in such business dealings but there is a problem gathering evidence and finding witnesses. The legislation will advance the situation significantly and it will be before the House shortly.

Job Creation Issues

This is a topic of serious speculation in Clonmel and in south Tipperary in general, the future of more than 150 manufacturing jobs at Abbott in Clonmel. All these workers are on temporary contracts which are due to expire at the end of November. Understandably, given the nature of these jobs, the company will make a decision next month whether to extend these contracts of employment. Abbott has a total of 1,500 in Clonmel so 150 jobs represent a significant proportion of the workforce. I know the Minister will agree that these workers do an excellent job which is the reason this facility is the largest and most productive of all Abbott locations.

Deputy Seamus Healy and I ask the Minister to do all in his power to fight for those jobs. There is the possibility of further job losses next year but the company is refusing to speculate in this regard. I ask for clarification as to the future of those jobs. South Tipperary is very dependent on jobs in Abbott. It is a very good company which is well regarded in south Tipperary.

Abbott is a flagship company for the town of Clonmel and for County Tipperary and the general region. It has a workforce of approximately 1,500 employees who are highly skilled and committed. The company is a key driver for the local and regional economy and a significant number of downstream jobs running into the thousands are dependent on the company's location at Clonmel. Together with Deputy Tom Hayes and Deputy Mattie McGrath, I visited the company earlier this year and I know the local management and staff are very committed to the long-term future of the company at Clonmel. I refer to the valuable work which is carried out so efficiently. The company has confirmed the loss of 150 jobs in November. This is a severe blow to the workers and their families and to the south Tipperary area. Some unconfirmed reports suggest there might be further job losses in March 2013 which, if true, would be a very worrying development. I ask the Minister if he has information with regard to the situation at Abbott and I ask him to engage with the company to ensure every effort is made by him and by the State agencies to offer whatever support and resources are required to maintain existing levels of employment at the plant.

I apologise on behalf of the Minister, Deputy Bruton, who has had to leave for the airport. I thank the Deputies for raising this matter. There are currently close to 1,400 people employed at Abbott's vascular manufacturing facility at Clonmel. Approximately 150 of these workers are temporary employees whose contracts are due to expire at the end of November 2012. These are the employees whom Abbott acknowledges will leave the company as planned and will be made redundant at the end of the year. These temporary staff were employed by the company to support a product launch and it was never envisaged that they would be made permanent.

Abbott's headquarters is in California. The company began operations in Ireland in 1946. It currently has eight manufacturing and five corporate services operations in this country. It produces a range of products for a variety of markets such as diagnostics, medical devices, pharmaceutical, diabetes, ophthalmic and nutrition. Six of its manufacturing operations are located in the BMW region. Abbott is one of the largest medical technologies firms in Ireland, employing approximately 3,700 people, with 1,400 permanent staff in Clonmel. Continuous investment by the company in Ireland has maintained manufacturing operations for over 35 years. The Clonmel plant manufactures a broad range of vascular devices but mainly stent delivery systems. IDA Ireland is actively engaged with the company in an effort to keep updating the portfolio of products produced in Clonmel. IDA Ireland is in discussions with Abbott Vascular in California and in Clonmel on future additional mandates for the facility. As with all new products, timelines for their introduction are dependent on market demand. The local management at Clonmel are determined to maintain employment at current levels.

In addition to IDA Ireland's ongoing contact with the company, the Minister has arranged to meet with a senior executive from Abbott in the next few days to hear about the company's future plans for its Irish locations including Clonmel. The south economic region currently has 207 client companies employing more than 38,000 in total; the mid-west economic region has 57 IDA client companies employing over 18,100 in total; the south Tipperary region has nine IDA supported companies employing approximately 3,400 people. IDA Ireland will continue to compete vigorously for investments in order to further economic development of the south and mid-west economic regions of which County Tipperary is part.

On the wider issue of job creation, I am aware of the local media reports that Abbott plans 300 redundancies in its Clonmel plant but we are reassured that these are exaggerated reports and that the numbers affected will be 150 temporary positions. I am confident that IDA Ireland will continue to work closely with the company management. A major element of the Government's response to unemployment is the pathways to work initiative with the aim of helping to ensure that as many jobs as possible are filled by people who are on the live register.

The role of my Department is to ensure that we have the correct policies in place to support and grow our enterprise base in order to facilitate both job creation and job retention. Abbott is a significant foreign direct investment in Ireland. The company will continue to research and develop new products. The Minister will meet the management team and he is fully aware of the concerns expressed by the Deputies. The company is critical to the local economy and I have no doubt this will be foremost in the mind of the Minister. Abbott is also a major employer in Sligo and I am confident this will continue to be the case in Clonmel.

I thank the Minister of State for that reply.

I am very heartened by what he said, particularly his indication that the Minister, Deputy Richard Bruton, intends to meet with the chief executive officer of Abbott. I hope he will emphasise how important the company's operation is to the people of Tipperary. The facility at Clonmel has one of the most highly skilled workforces of any manufacturing plant in the country. Will the Minister report back to us as soon as possible with an update? There is huge concern in south Tipperary, as expressed in the local media, about the future of these jobs. My colleague, Deputy Seamus Healy, and I wish to co-operate in every way possible to ensure this employment is safeguarded. We are not seeking headlines in raising the matter. Our intention is to facilitate a constructive engagement with the company which will ensure its continued investment in south Tipperary.

I thank the Minister of State for his response. I welcome the indication that IDA Ireland is in discussion with Abbott management in both California and Clonmel regarding future additional mandates for the facility. I wish IDA Ireland well in its endeavours. I also welcome the confirmation that the Minister will be in contact with company management in the coming days in regard to its future plans for Clonmel. As Deputy Tom Hayes observed, the company is hugely important to the economic and business life not only of Clonmel and south Tipperary but of the entire region. The plant at Clonmel is the largest manufacturing operation in the south-east region. I hope the intervention by IDA Ireland and by the Minister will ensure that existing levels of employment are maintained and will facilitate future mandates for the facility which necessitate an increased workforce.

I assure the Deputies that the Minister will deal directly with management at the Clonmel plant, in addition to the ongoing engagement by IDA Ireland. As I said, there will be discussion regarding the potential expansion of the product range. The Minister will be in contact with the Deputies following his meeting with the management.

Schools Recognition

I thank the Ceann Comhairle for selecting this Topical Issue matter, which is of considerable importance to two different communities in the county I represent. My question relates to the status of Mol an Óige Steiner national school in Ennistymon and Raheen Wood Steiner national school in Tuamgraney, both of which are co-educational, multidenominational, mainstream schools. Raheen Wood has been in existence for 23 years while Mol an Óige is a more recent development. For the past five years, both schools have had temporary recognition, which ensures the provision of staffing and accommodation support from the State. This basic right was long outstanding and granted only after protracted negotiations and a court case going back some time.

The status of both schools is currently under review by the Department of Education and Skills. I understand Raheen Wood was recently given a further three-year extension of its temporary recognition status while the board of management of Mol an Óige is meeting with departmental officials today to discuss that school's position. The main difficulty, so far as I can see, is a lack of willingness by the Department to progress these schools towards full recognition. In particular, I understand concerns have been raised in regard to the curriculum. This suggests to me that the Department has an issue in coping with the notion of teaching diversity. Raheen Wood school, which has 114 students, has shown results above the national average for primary schools in tests in which students participate after two, four and six years of schooling. Despite this positive feedback, there seems to be a closed mind within the Department in regard to diversity of teaching models.

I appeal to the Minister of State to investigate the situation. It is not appropriate in this day and age that temporary recognition status should be dragged out in this protracted way. The schools are performing exceptionally well in terms of the proven capacity of students to learn. Parents and management need certainty as to the future of their schools if they are to develop them in line with other schools in the county. Permanent recognition is a prerequisite for that planning and if they are to put in place the type of infrastructure that is needed in order to work towards the long-term needs of current and future students. The quality of education delivery is such that people have relocated to be close to the schools. I ask the Minister of State to examine the inflexibility within the Department in terms of the rigorous approach that is taken to this particular teaching model. The teaching methodologies incorporated in this model have been successfully employed in these schools, for more than 20 years in the case of Raheen Wood. Many past pupils have gone on to second and third level and are now employed in various walks of life. The Department must re-examine the available data if it is not yet convinced of the capacity of these schools to provide the appropriate level of education to pupils. Such an analysis would give comfort to the Department that the model of education being delivered in these schools is meeting the needs of children and parents and has a significant benefit for society. Above all, I ask the Minister of State to intervene to give certainty to parents and communities that these schools will be awarded permanent status and may thus begin the process of developing their services and infrastructure for the future.

I am taking this matter on behalf of my colleague, the Minister for Education and Skills, Deputy Ruairí Quinn. I thank Deputy Timmy Dooley for raising the issue as it provides me with the opportunity to outline the current position in regard to the recognition status of Mol an Óige Steiner national school, Ennistymon, and Raheen Wood Steiner national school in Tuamgraney, County Clare. The matter has previously been raised by Deputies Michael McNamara, Pat Breen and Joe Carey. I understand those Members have facilitated a number of meetings in recent months between the boards of management of the two schools and the Minister and his officials, including the meeting that is taking place in Leinster House today.

The Department has given provisional recognition to the schools in question, both of which follow the Steiner approach to education. All recognised schools, regardless of their philosophy, are required to comply with the Education Act 1998 and the rules for national schools. Deputy Dooley suggested that somebody in the Department might not be in favour of diversity in education. I am sure he is well aware of the Educate Together movement, which very much embraces diversity at the heart of its ethos. As we have done in the past, we continue to facilitate the recognition of schools under the patronage of Educate Together. As such, it is unfair to suggest that any opposition to diversity in the primary school sector is at the heart of the issue facing the two schools in the Deputy's constituency.

Schools seeking permanent recognition must also comply with the procedures applicable to the recognition of new primary schools in regard to patronage, boards of management, implementation of the curriculum and admissions policy and procedures for the appointment of teaching staff. Permanent recognition is contingent on schools demonstrating that they meet these requirements. In the case of Raheen Wood Steiner national school, provisional recognition was initially awarded in 2008 and has since been extended year on year. A process is in place under which the matter of the school's recognition is being assessed. This process is based on undertakings committed to by the school's patron in 2007 which relate to the school's compliance with the standard rules and procedures applicable to the recognition of all primary schools.

Departmental officials met with the patron of Raheen Wood in September and the Department has since confirmed its agreement to extend the school's provisional recognition for a period of three years up to August 2015. This extension will allow the school time to work, with the assistance of the Department's inspectorate, to progress the implementation of the changes in practice required to comply with all of the undertakings committed to by the patron. This extension of the provisional recognition period will not impede the school in being granted permanent recognition within that period, if the criteria for recognition are met.

Mol an Óige Steiner national school was also initially awarded provisional recognition in 2008 and this recognition has been extended year on year. The school is also seeking to have permanent recognition granted and a similar process to Raheen Wood is in train, based also on undertakings committed to by the school's patron in 2007, under which the issue of recognition is being assessed. Departmental officials met with the patron of Mol an Óige today to discuss the school's current position in respect of the undertakings provided. I understand that while issues remain to be resolved, the Department recognises the substantial progress that has been made by the school in regard to most of the undertakings.

I thank the Minister of State for his comprehensive reply. I have extensive knowledge of the issues arising in both schools as I was intimately involved in securing temporary recognition for them in 2008 and have continued to work with both of them. I strongly support their efforts to secure permanent recognition. As the Minister of State outlined, the major obstacle is the need to comply with the standard rules and procedures. The concept of pluralism must be adhered to in this matter. The Educate Together movement is based on a different model.

Ultimately, the issue concerns the curriculum. The Department has failed to recognise the Steiner approach to education and the benefits it provides for certain children. I have observed these benefits for children and families in the community with which I am most familiar, especially in east County Clare where Raheen Wood school has been operating for 20 years. These benefits outstrip rules or procedures that may appear in the annals or depths of the Department. For this reason, I ask that the Department commence a review of the Steiner model of education. It must not try to fit a square peg into a round hole. When efforts were made to place the schools in question on a path towards permanent recognition, they were expected to conform to the rigours of the existing model. Although they are working towards that objective and are, as the Minister of State indicated, making significant progress in this regard, it will not be possible to get the square peg into a round hole and retain the best aspects of the Steiner model of education. I ask that the Department commence a review that will not seek to marry the two systems. The two schools will lose out if they are required to morph into standard national schools.

I have been fortunate in recent months to have been able to visit many countries, especially in Asia, to try to raise awareness of Ireland's fantastic system of education. When I am abroad I can stand over the quality of the education we deliver at primary, post-primary and tertiary level. I do not accept that there is a lack of willingness on the part of the Department to work with the two Steiner schools in County Clare. A process of engagement is taking place, albeit one that is taking a long time to complete. If the Department did not see some merit or value in the Steiner model being applied in County Clare, it would have ceased all engagement in 2007 or 2008. The opposite is the case and departmental officials are engaging and proactively supporting, through the inspectorate, efforts to facilitate and amalgamate the model in the national system. The two are not mutually exclusive and some middle ground will be found, I hope in the near future. I have been informed that the inspectorate is supportive of both boards of management and working hand in glove with them to address issues that arise. The Deputy and I, as well as everyone involved in education in County Clare and all those who espouse the Steiner model, want the very best education to be delivered to young people to a standard over which we can all stand.

Community Employment Schemes Places

I thank the Ceann Comhairle for selecting the topic of the knock-on effects cuts in social welfare are having on participation in the community employment scheme. Without meaning any disrespect to the Minister of State, Deputy Ciarán Cannon, I am disappointed that the Minister for Social Protection is not present to address the issue. I thought the idea behind the Topical Issue matters was to have the Minister with direct responsibility before the House to discuss them.

I have considerable experience in the area of community employment, having been involved in the current community employment schemes and the old AnCO schemes as a member of membership committees and liaison person for participants. The Minister visited some community employment schemes in the north inner city some time ago. The specific community employment schemes to which I refer provide valuable services, including child care, after-school services and care for the elderly. They also provide a service for participants by offering them training, further training and educational opportunities, whether through first chance education or back-to-education schemes. In addition to these benefits, certain community employment schemes should be recognised as an end in themselves because they deal with extremely vulnerable individuals, including early school leavers who may have been caught up in crime or addiction. Schemes of this nature are different from other community employment schemes. In that regard, I acknowledge the decision to ring-fence schemes in the area of drugs.

There is no doubt that cuts in social welfare benefits are having a knock-on effect on participation in community employment schemes. I will cite the community after school project, CASP, to illustrate the problem. The CASP is having difficulty filling 38 places as a result of cuts in social welfare benefits This will have a knock-on effect on the training and education grant, which means some participants in the scheme may find their educational and training opportunities being curtailed or deferred. Further, if community employment schemes cannot attract sufficient participants, they will not be able to provide badly needed services. Child safety measures have resulted in different ratios being implemented for child care projects and it is possible these projects may not be filled either.

Developments in the social welfare area are having a ripple effect. We have heard that interviews are being held. However, the approximately €20 additional payment available to participants in community employment schemes will not even cover transport costs or the cost of their lunch. Some participants are in danger of losing a small pension entitlement, while others may lose their medical card. Potential participants who could gain valuable experience from community employment schemes, whether by securing employment or entering further education, must give precedence to their economic security. Cuts in social welfare benefits are having a range of effects on community employment schemes and their participants and will have implications for supervisors and assistant supervisors if numbers decline.

Community employment schemes in certain areas - not only those which involve drugs - must be ring-fenced given the high rates of unemployment, educational disadvantage and so forth. If the Minister had been present, I would have asked her to give special consideration to the schemes in question.

I am taking this matter on behalf of my colleague, the Minister for Social Protection, Deputy Joan Burton, who is abroad on Government business.

As announced in the budget, from 16 January 2012, new participants in community employment schemes will not be able to simultaneously claim their original social welfare payment and a community employment allowance, as per section 12 of the Social Welfare Act 2011. This measure affects those in receipt of the following payments commencing community employment schemes after that date: one parent family payment; deserted wife's benefit; widow's-widower's pension; illness benefit; disability allowance; invalidity pension; and blind pension. These new participants will instead receive payments directly via the community employment scheme at a rate equivalent to their original social welfare payment, including any increase for a qualified adult and-or child dependants, plus an additional €20 participation bonus.

New participants are defined as those persons who, with effect from 16 January 2012, have not been employed in a community employment scheme in the 12 months prior to commencing the current placement. Those lone parents who are already participating in community employment schemes had no change in their one parent family payment rates. However, they lost the entitlement to increases for qualified children on their community employment allowances and receive the community employment single adult rate only.

The number of persons in community employment categorised as jobseeker's allowance eligibility has increased by 20% since the end of December 2011 to date and there has been a corresponding decrease in other eligibility categories, notably lone parents. The jobseeker's allowance category has been increasing steadily since mid-2009 owing to the changed demographics in the job-seeking population. All participants who exit a community employment scheme and do not progress into employment or further training or education can return to their social welfare payment provided they still qualify for receipt of that payment.

I thank the Minister of State for his reply. Those in question - one-parent families, deserted wives, widows, widowers and those with an illness benefit, disability allowance, invalidity or blind pension - are extremely vulnerable and marginalised. Surely, the idea is to encourage them into community employment schemes with added incentives. People will not join a CE scheme for the exact same money they would get on social welfare. It beggars belief the incentive which has worked for these schemes has been removed. I have known many people who have gone from these schemes into full employment, further training, post-leaving certificate courses and college. If these people are now precluded from entering a CE scheme, the other services they provide such as child care and after-schools supervision will also be gone. In turn, there will be more on the dole. Somewhere along the line, somebody is not joining the dots to keep people on these schemes instead of their having to go back on the dole.

It has been my experience of working with CE schemes in County Galway that the opposite applies in that we are actually finding it difficult to facilitate people who want to get on to a scheme. With 450,000 people on the live register, I also find it difficult to believe there is a crisis of recruitment from the ranks of the unemployed into CE schemes. The figures are pretty stark. The numbers on CE schemes receiving jobseeker’s allowance has increased by 20% since the end of the last year and has increased steadily since mid-2009 due to the changed demographics in the jobseeking population.

As with any other Government scheme, it must evolve to respond to the challenges of the day. Perhaps the ambition of the CE scheme when we had full employment is substantially different from that of now. With 100,000 people unemployed from the construction sector, it is important to be able to facilitate as many of these people as we possibly can in engaging with their local communities, feeling they are making a contribution to society as well as being able to avail of sufficient and topical training opportunities that will allow them get back into the workforce. We are seeing the evolution of the scheme to cope with challenges that arise today. The scheme’s make-up may be different. With 450,000 people unemployed and Ireland losing €44 million per day, we have to make some difficult decisions. The decision taken by the Minister for Social Protection, Deputy Burton, on the CE schemes is correct.

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