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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 18 Nov 2014

Vol. 858 No. 1

Topical Issue Debate

Local Authority Funding

I welcome the Minister of State at the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government, Deputy Paudie Coffey, and wish him well on his appointment. I hope he will convey our concerns about Sligo County Council to the Minister, Deputy Alan Kelly. The council is facing a challenging period, with a substantial capital debt and a growing current spend arising from the gap between annual expenditure and income. The council's published financial statements show the scale of the problem, as do a range of reports analysing the problem. In addition, we have had commentary from various sources, some of which has not been helpful in finding a solution.

My colleague, Deputy Michael Colreavy, and I are taking the opportunity to call on the Government to assist Sligo County Council, given that its difficulties emanate in large part from developments which took place in 2008 and thereabouts. During the boom Sligo was designated a gateway city based on a projected population of 60,000. Growth on that level never materialised, but much of the capital investment in which the council engaged was based on this unrealistic growth projection. The council management team and councillors have been working to address the issue and had a meeting with the Minister, Deputy Alan Kelly, last week. The executive, working with the councillors and chairman, is obliged to come up with a clear management plan, based on a ten-year timeframe, to deal with the debt.

Significant savings have been achieved in several areas through policies on redeployment, voluntary transfer and voluntary retirement, while a significant allocation to the capital account has relieved some of the pressure on the current spending debt. However, there are serious consequences in deferring the problem to a later date. Reductions in the local government general purpose grant allocation and in planning fees and reduced rate collection revenues have amounted to a significant challenge for the council.

As long ago as last July, Sligo county councillors sought a meeting with the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government, Deputy Alan Kelly, about the council's precarious budget position. It is in this precarious position partly because it followed the then Government's policy of investing in water and wastewater infrastructure. Arising from that investment, the council's costs doubled from €5 million in 2008 to €10 million in 2013. In the same period, the local government fund, the council's main source of income, was halved in the wake of the mismanagement of the national finances.

Given that the council was implementing Government policy, had departmental approval at every stage for the infrastructural projects it undertook, endured a dramatic fall in its main funding source and subsequently transferred infrastructure to Irish Water without compensation for its major investment in these assets, it should be given assistance, support and advice. Despite the difficulties it faces, savings have been made. I understand, for example, that a workforce action plan has been put forward which provides for the transfer of front-line maintenance staff, including housing staff, arising from the dissolution of Sligo Borough Council. It seems, however, that there may well be outsourcing of work currently being done by maintenance staff which will ultimately see a higher cost for an inferior service.

The Minister has refused to meet the councillors or me. I understand, however, that last week he did meet at least one Deputy and, possibly, a Senator from the Government parties. The outcome of that meeting seems to be that Sligo County Council has two weeks to get its books in order or it will be replaced by a commissioner. It is scandalous.

I am taking this Topical Issue on behalf of the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government, Deputy Alan Kelly. I thank the Deputies for providing me with an opportunity to clarify the position on the financial difficulties of Sligo County Council. The continued deterioration of the council's financial position is of serious concern to the Minister, notwithstanding the achievement of savings in recent years, as outlined by the Deputies. On Thursday, 13 November, the Minister met the chief executive of Sligo County Council and his senior management team to discuss these very issues. It was a constructive and useful engagement.

The council has been incurring revenue deficits for several years such that the cumulative deficit now stands at €19.67 million. Long-term debt is in excess of €120 million. It is a matter for each local authority to determine its own spending priorities in the context of the annual budgetary process, having regard to Government policy and both locally identified needs and available resources. The elected members of a local authority have direct responsibility in law for all reserved functions of the authority, which include adopting the annual budget and authorising borrowing.

Elected members are democratically accountable for all expenditure by the local authority. The Minister wishes to be clear that the financial difficulties of Sligo County Council have not been caused by the financial model used to fund local authorities. While it is true that general purpose grant funding to Sligo County Council has decreased from a high of €22.22 million in 2008 to €15.58 million in 2013 - not halved, as Deputy Colreavy stated - this reduction of 29% has been less than the national average of 35%. Local authorities are independent bodies, with members being responsible for budgetary and borrowing policies, and Sligo County Council has had the same requirements regarding implementing Government policy placed on it as all other local authorities.

Other factors such as poor income collection have significantly contributed to Sligo County Council's financial difficulties. The commercial rates collection level for the county and borough in 2012 was 62% compared to a national average of 75% and the council's collection level declined even further to 59% in 2013. Sligo County Council has an uncollected rates debt of €6.8 million. Its water collection levels have averaged 48% over the period from 2008 to 2012, resulting in an estimated loss of income of over €1 million per year. Collection levels for housing loans are also poor, at 47%, with arrears of €1 million. Housing rent income collection is 80%, which is below the level achieved by comparator local authorities.

While it is a matter for individual local authorities, including Sligo County Council, to manage their day-to-day finances in a prudent and sustainable manner, the Department is in regular consultation with the council regarding its financial position. The Minister has set aside an allocation of €1 million in additional funding for 2014 for Sligo County Council to assist it to take the steps necessary to move to a more sustainable financial position. The payment of this is fully conditional on a realistic and achievable financial plan, which charts a path to long-term financial sustainability, being agreed between the Department and the council. Financial stability must take precedence in all of Sligo County Council's planning in the coming years. It is essential that the 2015 budget addresses the gravity of the financial situation in Sligo County Council, building on the savings achieved to date.

The Minister and the Department are committed to continuing to support the council in its efforts to restore financial stability. However, as the Minister pointed out at his meeting with Sligo County Council, the next steps need to be taken by the council, through a firm commitment, reflected both in its budget for 2015 and through the agreement of a long-term financial plan with the Department. By ensuring Sligo County Council is supported in making these difficult decisions that will, in the longer term, place it on a more realistic and sustainable path to growth and renewal, the Minister is certain Sligo can put its difficulties behind it and focus on consolidating its position as a leading economic centre for the north west in the future.

I thank the Minister regarding the management plan. It is very important that we allay the fear that the council may be abolished. The council is willing to come up with a plan that will be acceptable to the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government, Deputy Kelly, and work with him to find solutions to its financial problems. The Minister has met the county manager and the chairperson of the county council regarding the potential to create a plan and the urgency of putting the plan in place. The Minister has set aside €1 million for 2014 on condition that a plan of action will be formulated. I have spoken to the manager and the chairperson, and they are working on a plan for the county's future finances, which will be on the Minister’s desk in the next week. I am delighted to note that the Minister will work with the council in an amicable way to deal with the financial challenges which, clearly, have been inherited from 2008. The most important aspect of this is that the financial indebtedness of the council has been there for a number of years. The council cannot take any cuts to services in the county. We are very anxious to ensure no cuts take place and that we work out a long-term, ten-year solution to deal with the accrued debt on the council’s books. I want that assurance from the Minister of State.

The council’s chief executive put forward the information that the Local Government Fund, the council’s main income source, was halved between 2008 and 2013 as a result of the collapse of the national finances. I read directly from the report, but changed the word "collapse" to "mismanagement". The Minister of State said the Minister met the council and this is the point. He did not meet the council but the chief executive. He met a Deputy and Senator or Senators of the Government’s party after I had written to him. I was told about this meeting only after the event. Although I am old and experienced enough to handle disrespect from a Taoiseach or Minister, I will not tolerate the people who voted for me being disrespected by the failure on the part of the Minister, Deputy Kelly, or any Minister to engage with those with whom he might disagree. If the Minister wants nodding dashboard dogs to discuss any contentious issue, so be it, but the Minister of State should not call it a democratic revolution or an improvement in democracy. It is not democracy, but dictatorship.

It is unfair and unwelcome that Deputies would try to personalise what is a very serious problem for Sligo County Council. The Minister, Deputy Kelly, is seriously concerned and is engaged with the management team of Sligo County Council to find a solution to assist it in addressing these challenges. It is encouraging that the council is preparing a financial plan to deal with the challenges it faces. As I said, the continued deterioration of the council’s financial position is a concern to us all. However, a situation whereby annual deficits arise despite the council's having budgeted for balancing income and expenditure is untenable.

Sligo County Council must move to a position of surplus in 2015 and into the future. We have all been required to seek efficiencies in recent years to adjust to the economic challenges the nation has faced, and none of us can continue to spend beyond our means. Sligo County Council will have to significantly improve its income collection levels across all areas and move towards adequate cost recovery in all service provision areas, where possible. The Minister and Department are committed to continuing to support the council in its efforts to restore financial stability. However, the council must take the next steps itself, through a firm commitment reflected in its budget for 2015 and through the agreement of a long-term financial plan with the Department.

Free Travel Scheme Eligibility

I have repeatedly raised this issue over recent months and I am pleased to have the opportunity to raise it today. I am sure the Minister of State, Deputy Kevin Humphreys, will relay my concerns to his colleague, the Tánaiste and Minister for Social Protection, Deputy Burton. The Lough Swilly bus company provided a service from Buncrana to Derry city, including all the stops along the way. The service was very important to the elderly and disabled people who use the route. Given that the Lough Swilly bus company has gone into receivership, a new company, McGonagle bus service of Buncrana, has taken over the route. Under the rules around the free travel scheme, however, it has not been able to avail of financial assistance that would enable it to provide a free bus service to the elderly and disabled. It is unfair. In recent days I have learned that Ms Marian Harkin, MEP, has pursued the issue at European level and the European Commission has ruled that the Government cannot do what it is doing.

If the Minister of State has not received a response from his departmental officials, I ask him to have the matter checked out. My understanding is that the European Commission has ruled against Ireland, saying that it cannot deny entry to the scheme. That would include McGonagle's bus services, so hopefully that will resolve the issue.

I am disappointed, however, because elderly and disabled people along the route have been put to considerable economic hardship by having to pay for a service that is free for every other elderly or disabled person across this State. It is not a case of freezing a service, because the Minister of State has taken the service away without reinstating it. If the service was frozen, he would have ensured that the new company, which is on exactly the same route that was always historically provided, would be provided with the financial assistance to cater for elderly and disabled passengers.

I and other public representatives have repeatedly raised this matter. The Minister of State may say that a review is under way and that we must await the outcome of that review before allowing new participants onto the scheme. In this case, however, a service has been withdrawn from that community rather than being frozen. Citizens who should have a right to a free bus service in order to interact socially with family and friends - something that every other senior citizen across the State has - are being denied their rights. Disabled people, as well as families with relatives in respite care, and those with loved ones studying in Derry or availing of services in other locations along the route are being denied that right. That is how serious this matter is. It is not a frivolous or trivial matter.

I am interested in this confirmation from Marian Harkin, MEP, who raised the issue concerning a company in County Cavan called Leydon's Coaches. She challenged the issue under EU competition law and apparently the European Commission has overturned it. I appreciate that the Minister of State may not have had a briefing on that, as he had no advance warning. Nonetheless, will he please look into the issue and ensure it is resolved? Even if that information about the European Commission's ruling is not 100% accurate - and I am relying on Marian Harkin's guidance in this - the issue has to be resolved. I therefore ask the Minister of State to reinstate the service.

I thank the Deputy for raising this topical issue. Although I do not have the information on the European decision that he has outlined, I would like to put this matter in context. The free travel scheme is currently available to all people living in the State aged 66 years or over, to carers and to customers under 66 who are in receipt of certain disability-type payments. The scheme permits customers to travel free on most CIE public transport services, Luas and a range of services offered by approximately 80 private operators in various parts of the country. Customers of the scheme over 66 who are married, cohabiting or in a civil partnership receive a pass that allows their partners to travel with them for free. Certain customers can get a companion pass which allows any person over the age of 16 to accompany them for free.

Free travel is also available on cross-Border journeys to and from Northern Ireland. The all-Ireland free travel scheme allows a free travel pass holder, aged 66 and older, to travel free of charge on all bus and rail services within Northern Ireland using a Senior SmartPass card. Similarly, Northern Ireland Senior SmartPass card holders are entitled to travel for free in the Republic using their existing cards.

In 2001 there were 608,000 customers in receipt of the scheme, while today there are more than 800,000. This represents an increase of more than 30%. In 2001, the scheme cost approximately €46 million per year. In 2014, it will cost €77 million, which is an increase of 65%.

As the Deputy will be aware, funding for the free travel scheme was capped by the previous Government in the National Recovery Plan 2011-2014. To implement this cap on funding during a time in which passenger numbers have been increasing each year, the Department has had to impose a freeze on the amounts paid to companies and a complete restriction on the admittance of new companies or routes to the scheme. This has included new companies taking over routes from other companies.

The Government made clear in its Statement of Government Priorities 2014-2016 that it is committed to full retention of the free travel scheme. The Government appreciates the importance of the scheme to customers, particularly pensioners, and is very much aware of the implications for travel pass holders in those areas where services have been withdrawn. Officials in the Department have been asked to examine ways in which companies could be admitted to the free travel scheme - initially where they are taking over routes for which free travel funding was previously available, including in Donegal - with a view to free travel services recommencing as soon as possible. I understand that free travel has been available on the particular route mentioned by the Deputy since 17 November 2014. I hope that will resolve the issue.

I will try to obtain the information sought by the Deputy concerning the European ruling. I have not had a briefing on it, but as soon as I get that information I will send it on to the Deputy.

This topical issue was originally to have been taken last Thursday. Will the Minister of State confirm that he understands the free travel facility has been restored as of yesterday? If that is the case, and it is available again, then that is very welcome. I will be examining this matter in the constituency, but I ask the Minister of State to consider the European Commission's ruling and its implications for services across the State. There might be a lesson in that for the Government.

What level of co-operation exists between the Department of Social Protection and the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport concerning transport routes in County Donegal that were operating in recent years but are no longer in operation? What assistance can the Minister of State provide to reinstate such services, particularly for elderly people in rural areas? I raised this topical issue because it concerns an existing service which is economically viable for the operator. Other routes in more rural areas of County Donegal, however, have been lost. What can be done about them?

I thank the Deputy for his comments, and I compliment the officials who negotiated the return of this route. I take on board the Deputy's views on how important that route is for people living in isolated areas.

It is worth recalling that there has been a significant increase in the numbers using such services. In 2001, more than 600,000 people were availing of the free transport scheme, but more than 800,000 are using it currently. This year, it will cost taxpayers €77 million to support the scheme. It is a worthwhile scheme and the commitment to maintain it is a priority for the Government. I do not have the information the Deputy requested on routes that have been discontinued in recent years. However, it is the Government's intention to try, where practicable, to keep existing routes running. The subvention will be maintained and funding is committed to it within this budget.

I will revert to the Deputy on the European Commission ruling to which he referred in the context of information from Marian Harkin, MEP. As soon as I get that information I will forward it to the Deputy.

I thank the Minister of State.

Is the Minister of State taking the next item?

Is that the issue raised by Deputy Ciara Conway?

I understand that my colleague, Deputy Ciara Conway, has agreed to defer discussion of her issue until Tuesday, 25 November 2014. On that date, I understand the Minister of State, Deputy Kathleen Lynch, who is the Minister responsible, will take the debate.

Motor Fuels Issues

I thank the Ceann Comhairle for allowing me to raise the issue of petrol stretching, which the Minister of State has dealt with before. Two months on, we are no further in people's understanding of a solution to the issue. Since we raised the point with the Minister of State, the problem has expanded. Deputies Denis Naughten and Michael Fitzmaurice spoke to me when they heard this issue was coming up in a Topical Issue debate. I also had a call from Councillor Eugene Murphy in Roscommon. He is chairing a group on the issue. This extends from Mayo to Roscommon, taking in parts of Westmeath and, according to Deputy Brendan Smith, parts of Cavan.

Last June and July, people bought petrol in good faith from legitimate retailers. Serious problems arose with their cars and, in many cases, their engines have been destroyed and the cars rendered unusable. These are people who do not have money to buy new cars and do not have money to make the necessary repairs. These people have spent their lives abiding by the law. Many of the retailers are reputable. Those with comprehensive insurance have been dealt with by their insurance companies. However, those people lost their no-claims bonuses, which had been built up over decades in many cases. Those with third-party insurance had no cover and have been left out of pocket. There is no compensation for them.

We understand there are at least 160 complaints with the Garda Síochána Mayo division, a figure that may have increased. The number of complaints made to the Revenue Commissioners is substantially less. An official of the Revenue Commissioners made a commitment at a public meeting to engage in public clinics in County Mayo to allow for investigations. Deputy Naughten has joined us, and I presume the same is true in County Roscommon.

The point made at the previous meeting was that the major problem is trying to find the source. Delays in the State Laboratory are adding to the problem, because of the lack of resources. Staff at the laboratory are also dealing with other issues. If a car is off the road, if a person cannot go to work or must pay for a taxi to get to work, if they face a bill of thousands of euro to repair their car or if their car has been rendered useless, this is their biggest problem. If I had green diesel in my car when I was picked up by Customs and Excise officials, they would have initiated a prosecution against me and they would be able to find the source straight away. Where Customs and Excise has traceability from the retailer back to the wholesaler, and when all the cases referred to the Garda Síochána include the names of specific retailers, how have the Customs and Excise officials and the Garda Síochána not been able to use traceability to find out who caused this? No one is being held responsible, while hundreds of people have been desperately inconvenienced. What is happening in respect of State Laboratory two months after the Minister of State first engaged with the matter? Is there any prosecution pending?

With regard to third-party insurance, people have paid a lot of tax over the years when buying petrol. Is there a compensation fund that can be set up out of the amount of tax paid? Can the model of the Motor Insurers' Bureau of Ireland be used to fund people who are out of pocket through no fault of their own? It is not as if they deliberately destroyed their cars. This occurred through suppliers they had used for many years. People are incredibly frustrated and angry and feel let down by the various organs of the State in Mayo, in Deputy Denis Naughten's constituency of Roscommon, and in Westmeath, Cavan and elsewhere.

I thank Deputy Dara Calleary for raising this matter. He had already acknowledged the presence of Deputy Denis Naughten in the Chamber. Deputy Naughten raised the issue previously, most recently when we were discussing legislation.

I echo the sentiment of Deputy Calleary about the sheer frustration felt by people who, through no fault of their own, have seen serious damage done to their cars and their cars written off. This has a devastating impact on families' lives as they go about their daily business.

All forms of fuel fraud impose risks to consumers' vehicles, legitimate businesses and the Exchequer. Accordingly, both the Revenue Commissioners and the State laboratories are directing their resources to tackle the issue. Revenue has, over the recent past, received reports from a variety of locations around the country of problems relating to petrol quality, and suggestions that these problems are attributable to petrol stretching. Revenue investigates all complaints of this kind and fuel samples are taken from filling stations and referred to the State Laboratory for analysis where the investigating officers have reason to suspect excise fraud. The State Laboratory makes use of an array of tests to determine whether an adulteration of the petrol has occurred.

A total of 79 samples of petrol from filling stations in the Border, midlands and western region have been referred for analysis to the State Laboratory following checks conducted from June 2014 to date. Conclusive results have been received in one case which confirm contamination through the presence of kerosene, and a file is being prepared for prosecution in this case. A second positive contamination result is currently under investigation. I expect progress to continue. To date, no evidence of fraudulently contaminated petrol has been found in the remaining samples. In addition to analysing samples referred to it, the State Laboratory is providing technical and scientific support for the ongoing investigations.

The analysis of potentially stretched petrol is a complex one which, to date, has involved a significant level of time-consuming, non-routine testing, and it requires further investigation. It is appropriate that such a level of time is attached to such an important matter. The volume of samples sent for analysis has necessitated a reallocation of resources within the State laboratories.

As with many other Civil Service offices and Departments, both the Revenue Commissioners and the State Laboratory are subject to the employment control framework, and I do not need to tell Members about its impact on staffing levels over the past five years. However, the laboratory has prioritised the testing of all samples submitted in connection with the petrol stretching issue, and all staff who have the necessary experience and expertise in this area are currently being deployed to work on these samples. I welcome that prioritisation.

Petrol stretching is an offence under section 102(1A) of the Finance Act 1999 and carries a penalty on summary conviction of €5,000 or, at the discretion of the court, imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months, or both. If it is an indictable conviction, the fine is up to a maximum of €126,970 and the prison term is up to a maximum of five years, or both.

If Revenue's investigations and the analysis of fuel samples by the State Laboratory indicate the presence of illegal stretching agents in petrol, Revenue will take action and pursue prosecutions against offenders where possible. As part of Revenue's normal operating procedures, fuel delivery tankers are challenged when encountered by enforcement officers throughout the Border, midlands and western region. No cases of contaminated petrol have been identified as a result of these checks from June 2014 to date.

Motorists should report any suspicions to the Revenue Commissioners, which has recently launched a dedicated section of its website specifically dealing with the shadow economy. This includes a reporting facility for anyone who has information about shadow economy practices, including the adulteration of fuel. I encourage everyone to make use of, and promote, that facility.

It is in a shadowy location on the website.

Deputy Naughten has made that point, and I will ensure it is rectified so that it is more prominent on the website.

The matter is treated as a priority and I assure the Deputy that both Revenue and the State Laboratory are currently doing everything that can be done, including the reallocation of resources where necessary, to tackle this serious issue.

I thank the Minister of State for his response. I appreciate the point about the reallocation of resources. To a certain extent, the difficulty is that the horse has bolted. This happened in May and June. The Minister of State says that fuel delivery tankers are challenged when encountered. How many times has this happened? Is there a plan in place or is it just when enforcement officers come across a tanker while driving around? How many encounters have we had throughout the summer?

Specific retailers have been named to the Garda Síochána and the Customs and Excise. Has traceability from the retailer to the wholesaler been initiated? Has analysis of the traceability been initiated to get back to the source? If the retailers are abiding by the law, they must have detailed records of where they buy fuel.

With regard to compensation, those with third-party insurance are left without anything through no fault of their own. It is not as if they went out and caused an accident. People with fully comprehensive insurance will pay the price through a much increased premium next year for having had to make a claim through no fault of their own. I cannot bring home the level of frustration and anger felt by people who feel the system has completely let them down. They are involved in this through no fault of their own, which I emphasise.

All they did was buy a tank of fuel, as we all do every day. They went to the same retailer as always, as we do every day as well. These people are being put through the mill. As an example, a 78-year-old lady used her car for shopping, socialising and going to mass but her daughter had to move home from England to facilitate these activities using a rented car because they are not in a position to make the necessary repairs to the car. That is typical of hundreds of people put in this position. I ask the Minister of State to give this absolute priority. The pressure should come from him and from the Minister for Justice and Equality so that somebody can be held to account and those who are suffering can be compensated.

I thank Deputy Calleary for raising the matter, the seriousness of which is not lost on me or any Member. I have acknowledged the devastation this has caused for people who are going about their business but who through no fault of their own have found themselves in this position. The Deputy asked a couple of very specific questions about how many times we have had such encounters and I will revert to the Deputy on that. I will also ask for details to be provided about traceability and that the issue of compensation be explored.

As indicated at the outset, the State Laboratory has prioritised the testing of all samples submitted in connection with the petrol stretching problem. It is an important statement of intent from our State agencies that we really want to get to the bottom of this. If it is possible at all to pursue a prosecution, we should get it done. I will also ensure that a copy of this debate is sent to my colleague, the Minister for Justice and Equality. I will pursue this with her, as I am sure colleagues on all sides of the House will do. There is an important finance element relating to the Revenue Commissioners but it goes across a number of areas, including the Department of Justice and Equality.

The first point of contact for motorists whose vehicles have been affected should be the motor insurance companies. I understand from Insurance Ireland that each insurer investigates individual cases with regard to damage done to car engines because of petrol stretching. It is a matter of whether this financial loss is included or excluded under the terms and conditions of the individual contract and I take the point that Deputy Calleary makes regarding third-party insurance. I understand some insurers are paying out for these claims and it is important to note that anybody with an unresolved insurance complaint can refer the matter to the financial services ombudsman for investigation and adjudication. Persons affected should also contact the point of purchase of fuel and if the customers remain unsatisfied, they have recourse in civil remedies and should seek legal advice.

We all need to up our game with this issue, including the agencies of the State.

If there is no success with a criminal conviction, can the Revenue Commissioners' information be made available for a civil case?

I will raise the matter with the Revenue Commissioners. It sounds pretty pragmatic. I will revert to Deputies Calleary and Naughten on those matters and we will continue to pursue this in every way we can.

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