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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 21 Feb 2018

Vol. 965 No. 8

Public Service Superannuation (Amendment) Bill 2018: Second Stage

I move: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

I am pleased to present to the House the Public Service (Superannuation) Amendment Bill. I wish to thank Deputies for facilitating this Bill, the agreement that we would make progress and, in that regard, facilitate the taking of all Stages this evening. It is a short Bill, the sole purpose of which is to ensure that the same age limits apply to internal and external candidates for appointment to the ranks of Garda Commissioner and deputy Garda Commissioner. The immediate impetus for the Bill is the upcoming competition for the next Garda Commissioner.

Before proceeding, I would like to acknowledge the dedication and service of acting Garda Commissioner Dónall Ó Cualáin. The former Garda Commissioner, Nóirín O'Sullivan, announced her retirement last autumn and now, for the first time, the independent Policing Authority, working in conjunction with the Public Appointments Service, will conduct the selection process for a Garda Commissioner.

Shortly after the former Commissioner announced her retirement, I engaged with the chairperson of the Policing Authority and the authority has undertaken a significant amount of work to prepare for the appointment process. I want to acknowledge the hard work and dedication undertaken so far.

The Government formally triggered the statutory process contained in section 9 of the Garda Síochána Act 2005, as amended, for the selection and appointment of the next Commissioner last December. I am pleased to say that preparations for the competition, which will be an open, international competition without any restriction as to nationality or policing experience, are almost finalised. However, before the competition can proceed, I seek the support of the House to rectify an anomaly that has the effect of barring an external candidate aged 55 years or older from appointment as Garda Commissioner. The anomaly dates from 2004 and is an unintended effect of the retirement regime introduced at that time for new entrants to An Garda Síochána, a time when the long-standing tradition dating from the 1960s was to appoint the Commissioner from within the ranks of An Garda Síochána. This unintended age bar does not have a logical basis and in the context of an open, competitive process, unnecessarily restricts the field of candidates for the leadership of what is one of the most important public service jobs in the State.

As I have stated previously, the overriding concern of the Government is that the best possible candidate is selected to take on the leadership of An Garda Síochána. The Government has no preference as to whether the person is an internal or external candidate; rather the Government’s concern is to ensure that the selection process attracts the widest possible pool of high-calibre candidates and that whoever is selected and nominated by the authority for appointment by the Government is tested against a strong field. Seeking to ensure a level playing field in regard to the age of appointment is part of this concern and has the support of the Policing Authority and the Public Appointments Service.

Turning to the Bill itself, it amends the Public Service Superannuation (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2004. It contains two sections. Section 1 is the substantive section, while section 2 contains the general provisions in regard to the Short Title, collective citation and commencement.

Section 1 amends section 4 of the 2004 Act. For the assistance of Deputies, I will set out the background and purpose of section 4. In essence, section 4 introduced a new retirement regime for members of An Garda Síochána who enter on or after 1 April 2004. The retirement of those who entered prior to that date continues to be governed by regulations made under the Garda Acts. While section 4 maintained the maximum age of retirement at 60 for all members of An Garda Síochána, it made it conditional for new entrants on or after 1 April 2004 on health and other checks. The purpose of this conditional approach is to ensure the operational capacity of the police service. Specifically, section 4 provides that a new entrant shall "cease to be a member" of An Garda Síochána "on attaining the age of 55 years" but may continue to 60 years subject to the Commissioner being satisfied that "the member is fully competent and available to undertake, and fully capable of undertaking, the duties of his or her position as a member of the Garda Síochána". Where the member concerned is the Commissioner, it is the Minister for Justice and Equality who must satisfy himself or herself as to capability and competency.

The Attorney General has advised that the manner in which section 4 is constructed has the effect of excluding appointment to the rank of Commissioner of a person who is not already a member of An Garda Síochána prior to attaining the age of 55. It has the same effect in relation to the rank of deputy commissioner. Accordingly, the Government has made the decision to amend the legislation to better support an open competition. Quite apart from the importance of ensuring a level playing field between internal and external candidates, it puts prospective external candidates who may already be 54 in the unenviable position of trying to determine whether it is worthwhile applying for the competition and running the risk of ageing-out before the process concludes. I see Deputy O'Callaghan is amused. I admit that it is somewhat technical and may result in difficulty and perhaps some unfairness. To rectify this anomaly, therefore, section 1 of the Bill inserts a new section 4(4). It provides that nothing in that section shall prevent the appointment, in accordance with the Garda Síochána Act 2005, to the rank of Commissioner or deputy Commissioner of a person who has attained the age of 55 years but is under the age of 60 as a new entrant to An Garda Síochána. Section 1 also inserts a new subsection (5) to clarify that the regime in section 4 in relation to medical and other checks applies to such appointees.

It is important to note that these amendments make no change to the retirement regime in operation for members of An Garda Síochána. The regime approved by the Oireachtas in 2004 under which all those who join An Garda Síochána on or after 1 April of that year cease to be members on attaining the age of 55 but may continue to 60 subject to certain conditions, remains intact. This provision, in conjunction with regulations made by the Government recently, means that any person appointed to the office of Commissioner on foot of the upcoming competition shall serve for five years or until he or she attains the age of 60 years, whichever is the earlier.

As I have previously said, the independent Policing Authority, working in conjunction with the Public Appointments Service, PAS, will for the first time conduct the selection process for a Garda Commissioner. I am advised that the selection process itself is likely to take approximately four months from the launch date. Further time may then be required depending on the candidate. My colleagues and I in government are keen to remove any possible obstacle to ensuring the best possible candidate can be identified to lead An Garda Síochána and deliver the best policing services to the people of Ireland. I am keen for the competition to proceed without delay and thank Members for their support in facilitating the legislation and for their co-operation with the, hopefully, speedy passage of this short but nevertheless important Bill. I commend the Bill to the House.

As the Minister has stated, the Bill is being introduced to deal with a very specific situation. It is now five months since the former Commissioner retired from her office and we are all agreed on the importance of ensuring the process of appointing a new Commissioner takes place promptly in order that the force is not left without a Commissioner for longer than is necessary. I say that while also recognising the importance of ensuring a thorough process is gone through in order that the right person is appointed.

Under the 2005 Act, as amended, there is a very complicated process for appointing a Garda Commissioner. The Public Appointments Service plays a role, as do the Policing Authority and the Government. The role of the Public Appointments Service is to run a competition. The Minister and the Policing Authority have no option in this regard. The Act states that the Public Appointments Service shall run a competition for the purpose of determining who should be appointed to the position of Garda Commissioner. I have my own reservations as to whether a PAS competition will necessarily identify the best candidate for a high-level appointment like this but notwithstanding my concerns, that is the process which must be gone through. I presume the Policing Authority will be involved in formulating the competition with the Public Appointments Service. Once the competition is completed, recommendations will be made by the Policing Authority to the Government as to whom it thinks should be appointed to the position of Garda Commissioner. The Government is fairly limited in what it can do on receipt of the recommendation. It can reject it only in very specific terms and must then ask the authority for another recommendation. When one looks at the matter overall, it is the Policing Authority and the Public Appointments Service which will play a crucial role to identify the candidate for formal appointment by Government.

The Bill is necessary, as the Minister has indicated. It identifies an anomaly in the current legislation. To put it simply, a current member of An Garda Síochána must retire at 55 unless he or she is allowed to stay on until age 60 with the Commissioner's consent. The Government, the Public Appointments Service and Policing Authority want to ensure that as broad a range of people as possible apply for the position. There are many fine candidates within the force who will no doubt apply. What we also want to do, however, is extend the competition beyond the force so that persons who are not members of An Garda Síochána apply too. It is anomalous that if one is outside the force, one must be under the age of 55 to apply. However, a member of the force is able to apply up to age 60 on foot of the rule I have just identified.

The Minister was correct that it brought a smile to my face when he said there was a risk people could age out of the process. It is very unusual that we get rid of members of An Garda Síochána at 55 and that we are limiting applicants to the position to individuals who are under the age of 60. Many important positions in this country are held by people who are over the age of 60 and who fulfil them very effectively. I say that looking over at my colleague, the Minister, who I believe has reached that milestone in his life. It is unusual to provide that the only people who can apply for this are under the age of 60. It may be the case that individuals who are over that age are otherwise eligible and would do a very effective and useful job. It is a discussion for another day but we need to broaden our perspective on the capacity of people to do jobs and should not reject them simply because they have reached the age of 60, which I am sure the Minister will agree is comparatively young.

Fianna Fáil will support the Bill. It is important to get it through the House promptly and that the range of those who can apply for the position of Commissioner is as broad as possible. The Minister and the State should look in due course at extending the age of members of An Garda Síochána. There is a great deal of corporate knowledge within the force. I read the EY report on the Minister's own Department. The report points out that there is a great deal of high level and other corporate knowledge within the Department of Justice and Equality, which is at risk of being lost where people retire and move on. Similarly, there are many members at senior and indeed less senior ranks within An Garda Síochána with a wide range of corporate knowledge. We must ensure that we do not lose all that knowledge from the force through the mandatory retirement ages of 55 and 60, respectively.

It is important to start the process. I wish the Public Appointments Service and the Policing Authority well in running the competition to which it is important to attract as many applicants as possible.

It is a fantastic opportunity for any individual to be Garda Commissioner. Very few people in this country have had that privilege in the past. It is one of the finest positions in the country and I have no doubt that many applicants will put their names forward. It is important that we get the right candidate for the job, irrespective of whether that person is from within or outside the force. My only concern is that we are limiting the candidates who can apply for this job to people under the age of 60, which is unusual.

We wish to put on record the fact that we will be supporting the Bill. To a large extent, this is a relatively minor technical Bill. It is intended to address the unintended effect of the retirement provision applying to members of the Garda Síochána who entered the service on or after 1 April 2004 and external candidates for appointment to the rank of Garda Commissioner or that of deputy Garda Commissioner. It relates to section 4 of the Public Service Superannuation (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2004, which states that such members of the force shall cease to be members on attaining 55 years of age but may continue on to 60 years subject to checks. However, the provision has the unintended effect of creating a bar on the appointment of persons aged 55 or more to the rank of Garda Commissioner or that of deputy Garda Commissioner where those persons would be external applicants. Clearly, that is not a sensible situation and we support legislation to rectify such an unintended consequence.

It is vital that the process be as open as possible to external candidates. We have previously expressed a view that it would be preferable to have an external candidate take on the position of Garda Commissioner for a number of reasons, one of which is that, frankly, it would be invidious at this stage for somebody within An Garda Síochána to take on the position. I think a person from within the force would find matters difficult from the outset. We should be looking at external candidates and, very likely, people from outside the country. It is possible that the Minister has commented on this already but if there is any update as regards the process for the appointment of the Garda Commissioner, that would obviously be welcome.

I have previously expressed the view to the Minister that I would have thought it preferable that there be an extended period whereby there is an acting Garda Commissioner, as is currently the case. I have also previously expressed the view that it would have been preferable for the recommendations on the Commission on the Future of Policing in Ireland to have been reported before a Garda Commissioner was appointed in order to allow the Public Appointments Service and the Policing Authority to take account of those recommendations. While the Minister is proceeding in any event, I still have concerns in this regard. This is going to be a crucial appointment. With the right appointment, along with enthusiastic implementation on the part of the Commission on the Future of Policing in Ireland, it may be possible to draw a line under recent controversies and begin a new future in this State. However, as I said, that will require the Commission on the Future of Policing in Ireland to come up with radical proposals and these must be implemented fully and enthusiastically by the Government. It is essential, therefore, that this appointment is got right.

I would add to Deputy O'Callaghan's observation regarding the maximum age, which, even after this legislation is enacted, will be 60. It is unusual that we require gardaí to retire at that age. I look at other areas where we are at the other extreme in the sense that we are forcing employees to work for longer, perhaps up to the age of 67 or 68, in places where they would rather not be. In many circumstances, the people who will be forced to work later are those least likely to be able to work later. However, in the case of gardaí, we have people who would very much like to remain in service and who are perfectly capable of so doing, but who are prevented from so doing. I ask the Minister to reconsider this issue.

In any event, the legislation is technical and is intended to rectify an anomaly. We will support it. I hope it will assist in ensuring that the process for appointing a new Garda Commissioner is robust and that the right person is appointed in order to ensure a new era in An Garda Síochána.

I call Deputy Sherlock. The Deputy has ten minutes.

I have ten minutes but a wise person once said to me there is no need to take the full ten minutes if it only takes one minute to say what needs to be said. We are supporting the Bill. We wish to make the point that applying a maximum age of 60 seems anachronistic. There are people who are contributing to society far beyond those years, into their 70s and 80s. The Minister might give us some justification for the age of 60. We are supporting the Bill.

I thank the Deputies for their contributions to this debate, for their support for the Bill and for facilitating its passage in the manner in which they have done. It is important and pleasing to me that we are at one in our objective of seeing the best possible candidate appointed to lead An Garda Síochána. As I said, I do not have any specific preference, nor does the Government, in terms of whether the person is an internal or an external candidate, or someone from overseas.

Whoever comes through the process, regardless of whether he or she is a member of An Garda Síochána, he or she will face a pretty substantial job of work. The person will be required to implement the major reform programme under way, to improve governance and performance management in An Garda Síochána and to continue to build managerial capacity and to enhance service delivery, while continuing to ensure that the organisation has the capability and capacity to secure the State and keep its citizens safe and protected. The person will also be required to implement any further strategic reforms to the sector generally that may flow from the work of the Commission on the Future of Policing in Ireland. In that regard, I listened attentively to the comments of Deputy Ó Laoghaire. From my engagement with the chair of the Commission on the Future of Policing in Ireland, Ms Kathleen O'Toole, I know she shares my concern that a careful deliberative process be undertaken and that the best possible candidate be selected. The commission has a wealth of experience and expertise to bring to the process being undertaken by the Policing Authority. As I have said, the approach that has been followed has allowed the authority to engage with the commission in respect of how it perceives the future role and responsibilities of the Garda Commissioner and this will assist in ensuring that the potential candidates have as much information as possible on the landscape that is the future of policing in our State.

I hope the Bill can pass all Stages as quickly as possible. The Policing Authority and the Public Appointments Service have done a lot of work on this. It is important that the competition be officially launched in the next couple of weeks and I know they are almost ready to do that. I look forward to completing matters at the earliest opportunity.

I know some Deputies were caught short but, unfortunately, I have no control over that. I must put the question.

Question put and agreed to.
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