Road Traffic (Amendment) Bill 2017: Report Stage (Resumed)

Bill recommitted in respect of amendments Nos. 4 to 21, inclusive, and amendment No. 28.
Debate resumed on amendment No. 7:
In page 3, to delete lines 11 to 32, and in page 4, to delete lines 1 to 14 and substitute the following:
“(a) by the substitution of the following for subsection (7):
(7) The fixed charge is—
(a) €500 in the case of a concentration of alcohol referred to in subsection (1)(a) or subsection (2),
(b) €500 in the case of a concentration of alcohol referred to in subsection (1)(b), or such other amount that, for the time being, stands prescribed in lieu of either of those amounts.”,
(b) in subsection (8) by the substitution of the following for paragraph (a)(i):
“(i) did not exceed 80 milligrams of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood, 5 penalty points shall be endorsed on the entry relating to the person, or”.”.
- (Deputy Robert Troy)

Deputy Robert Troy has moved amendment No. 7, which has already been discussed with amendment No. 4. There is no further discussion permitted on the group but the amendment has yet to be decided.

Can we make any contributions?

No, the Deputy cannot. It has already been discussed.

If I could be indulged with a small bit of leniency for a moment, we all made contributions - some were far more lengthy than others - but at no stage did we get an opportunity to hear the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport, Deputy Shane Ross, reply to the numerous points and questions put to him. Can the Leas-Cheann Comhairle give us the benefit of his guidance in respect of at what stage, under Standing Orders, will the Minister have an opportunity to outline his replies? I feel I made some valid points and contributions and raised some valid questions and I would like to hear his reply.

I have one last point on-----

Is it on the same issue?

It is in the same vein. I want to say that-----

I do not believe Deputies all have different views.

I beg the indulgence of the Leas-Cheann Comhairle. It is-----

This is out of order. We have made a decision that we would proceed with the votes on this amendment. This is more filibustering.

Deputy Troy has made a point and I am going to deal with it. If Deputy Michael Healy-Rae is making the same point as Deputy Troy, I am going to deal with it.

I can only speak on my own behalf. I made valid points throughout the debate, and it is only right, fair and proper that the Minister should be given the opportunity to reply. He has listened for long enough to what others had to say.

The Deputies who are complaining are all from the same group. I can make two recommendations to the House. I sat through all of this, and I am sure the Minister would appreciate an opportunity to respond. There will be no further debate, and if the House agrees I will give the Minister ten minutes to respond to a number of the issues.

The House has made a decision to proceed with the vote.

The Deputy does not want to hear the answers.

I am trying to be helpful.

We want to hear the Minister.

I cannot call the Minister. He will have to find another opportunity to respond.

That is ridiculous.

It might be ridiculous but-----

The Leas-Cheann Comhairle is the boss.

I have to implement the rules. Amendment No. 7 in the name of Deputy Troy-----

I remind the Leas-Cheann Comhairle that-----

The Deputy cannot take advantage of the Chair. He will not take advantage of the Chair.

I am not taking advantage.

No Deputy will take advantage of the Chair. Amendment No. 7, in the name of Deputy Troy, has been discussed.

Amendment put:
The Dáil divided: Tá, 41; Níl, 57; Staon, 0.

  • Aylward, Bobby.
  • Brassil, John.
  • Breathnach, Declan.
  • Browne, James.
  • Butler, Mary.
  • Byrne, Thomas.
  • Cahill, Jackie.
  • Canney, Seán.
  • Casey, Pat.
  • Cassells, Shane.
  • Chambers, Jack.
  • Collins, Michael.
  • Curran, John.
  • Donnelly, Stephen
  • Fitzmaurice, Michael.
  • Fleming, Sean.
  • Healy-Rae, Danny.
  • Healy-Rae, Michael.
  • Kelleher, Billy.
  • Lahart, John.
  • Lawless, James.
  • MacSharry, Marc.
  • Martin, Micheál.
  • McConalogue, Charlie.
  • McGrath, Mattie.
  • McGrath, Michael.
  • McGuinness, John.
  • Moynihan, Aindrias.
  • Moynihan, Michael.
  • Murphy O'Mahony, Margaret.
  • Murphy, Eugene.
  • O'Callaghan, Jim.
  • O'Dea, Willie.
  • O'Keeffe, Kevin.
  • O'Loughlin, Fiona.
  • O'Rourke, Frank.
  • Ó Cuív, Éamon.
  • Scanlon, Eamon.
  • Smith, Brendan.
  • Smyth, Niamh.
  • Troy, Robert.


  • Adams, Gerry.
  • Brady, John.
  • Brophy, Colm.
  • Broughan, Thomas P.
  • Bruton, Richard.
  • Buckley, Pat.
  • Burton, Joan.
  • Byrne, Catherine.
  • Carey, Joe.
  • Connolly, Catherine.
  • Corcoran Kennedy, Marcella.
  • Cullinane, David.
  • D'Arcy, Michael.
  • Deering, Pat.
  • Doherty, Pearse.
  • Durkan, Bernard J.
  • English, Damien.
  • Farrell, Alan.
  • Ferris, Martin.
  • Flanagan, Charles.
  • Funchion, Kathleen.
  • Halligan, John.
  • Harris, Simon.
  • Healy, Seamus.
  • Heydon, Martin.
  • Howlin, Brendan.
  • Kehoe, Paul.
  • Kenny, Gino.
  • Kenny, Martin.
  • Madigan, Josepha.
  • McHugh, Joe.
  • McLoughlin, Tony.
  • Mitchell O'Connor, Mary.
  • Mitchell, Denise.
  • Moran, Kevin Boxer.
  • Munster, Imelda.
  • Murphy, Eoghan.
  • Naughten, Denis.
  • Naughton, Hildegarde.
  • Neville, Tom.
  • Noonan, Michael.
  • O'Brien, Jonathan.
  • O'Connell, Kate.
  • O'Donovan, Patrick.
  • O'Reilly, Louise.
  • Ó Broin, Eoin.
  • Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín.
  • Ó Laoghaire, Donnchadh.
  • Ó Snodaigh, Aengus.
  • Phelan, John Paul.
  • Quinlivan, Maurice.
  • Ring, Michael.
  • Ross, Shane.
  • Sherlock, Sean.
  • Stanley, Brian.
  • Stanton, David.
  • Zappone, Katherine.


Tellers: Tá, Deputies Michael Moynihan and John Lahart; Níl, Deputies Joe McHugh and Tony McLoughlin.
Amendment declared lost.

I move amendment No. 8:

In page 3, line 11, to delete “(a) in” and substitute the following:

“(i) in”.

Amendment put.

Will the Deputies claiming a division please rise?

Deputies Michael Collins, Danny Healy-Rae, Michael Healy-Rae and Mattie McGrath rose.

As fewer than ten Members have risen I declare the question carried. In accordance with Standing Order 72 the names of the Deputies dissenting will be recorded in the Journal of the Proceedings of the Dáil.

Amendment declared carried.
Debate adjourned.