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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 11 Jul 2019

Vol. 985 No. 4

Ceisteanna ar Reachtaíocht a Gealladh (Atógáil) - Questions on Promised Legislation (Resumed)

I will keep this brief as we will have an opportunity to raise this in the Topical Issue debate although that might be late in the evening.


Hold on. We have a long day ahead. What is the problem? I cannot be listening to snide remarks from the side. What is the issue?

Is this in the Order of Business?

Yes, as is customary. There are no changes.

I raise the issue of the job losses in Bord na Móna announced this morning. As my colleague, Deputy Naughten, will know, I live five minutes from the power station and three minutes away from the Bord na Móna works. Some 150 people are effected by this. I ask the Tánaiste and the Minister, Deputy Bruton, to arrange a meeting immediately with the ESB and the EPA and Bord na Móna to try and get the power station re-opened as quickly as possible.

Second, this is a huge blow for the seasonal workers who have been hit, many of whom are students and part-time farmers. Will the Ministers ask Bord na Móna and the ESB to replace some of those people with other works in the area? We know that things are changing and that it is a difficult situation but we really need immediate action on this.

As I said, this will come up later. I call Deputy Naughten.

On my behalf and on that of the Minister of State, Deputy Kevin "Boxer" Moran, we have been told that job losses are because of a 2013 alteration to the ESB licence for the Lanesboro power station. We did not see any solutions brought forward by the company for five full years until 2018. This now threatens over 300 jobs. I ask that the Minister, Deputy Bruton, haul the three organisation involved, the ESB, Bord na Móna and the EPA, into his office this afternoon and that he would come to the Dáil this evening and provide us with a proper plan for how we will protect these jobs in the midlands.

It somewhat negates my reading the Topical Issues selected but I ask the Minister to respond.

The Tánaiste has outlined the position as of today. I will deal with this during the Topical Issue debate this afternoon.

Climate change, air quality, environmental matters are at the top of the agenda for debate, particularly the proposal for a national smoky fuel ban, which is a live issue and rightly so. Approximately 28% of the population of the country experience fuel poverty and they need to be adequately protected. I suggest on this day of recess that the Minister consider substantially increasing the fuel allowance in the next budget. I also suggest that the VAT differential between the 8% on coal in the South versus the 5% in Northern Ireland would make substantial savings, particularly if the Government is contemplating introducing a carbon tax, which would cause further problems.

The Deputy should watch the clock.

There would be substantial savings, which could be made available to address fuel poverty.

We have got the point.

This is a budgetary issue and the decision will be made at budget time.

This is the fourth time I have asked this question since the start of the year. It relates to the wind farm guidelines that have been promised month in month out. On the previous three occasions I requested them, I was told it would be a matter of weeks. We are now approaching the summer recess. Is the Tánaiste able to give an update on when the guidelines are due to be published?

On the same issue I call Deputy Troy.

The Tánaiste will remember that a week before he moved from his previous role as Minister with responsibility for housing and planning he issued, to great fanfare, a press release stating the wind energy guidelines would be announced within weeks. That is more than two years ago. As my colleague has rightly identified, communities are still awaiting the new updated wind energy guidelines. At a time climate change is such an issue and we must embrace renewable energy, will the Tánaiste or the Minister for Housing, Planning and Local Government clearly outline when communities can expect the announcement of the new wind energy guidelines and when can communities affected by the erection of solar panel farms expect the announcement on the guidelines and regulations for those?

I call the Tánaiste for a brief response on wind energy guidelines.

When I announced we were close to agreeing the guidelines, it was agreeing them for consultation and there has been a consultation process since then. My understanding is that the Minister, Deputy Murphy, is very close to announcing a finalisation of those guidelines.

After two years.

A statutory process is required.

I call Deputy Danny Healy-Rae on the programme for Government and promised legislation.

The protection of farmers income is written into the programme for Government. The Tánaiste is the very man who back in 2013 advised dairy farmers to increase production. As he knows, at most 20% of calves are kept for replacement. The rest of the dairy bred calves go into beef production. At that time, the Tánaiste told people to increase production and now the Government is advising beef farmers to reduce production and plant forestry. At the same time, the Government will allow Brazilians to import beef into the European Union. How can the Government reconcile this? How can it explain to farmers that four or five years ago it told them to increase production and now it is telling them to decrease production? It is not as simple as turning on or off a tap.

We have had statements on this.

These people have invested hundreds, thousands and millions of euro in their farms.

We will have to review all of this in the next session.

Yes but I ask the Tánaiste to explain this because this is what the Government is doing.

The relevant Ministers were here yesterday.

It is as simple as this. Thousands of farmers came from throughout the country yesterday to ask the Government to stand with them and support them. I ask the Tánaiste whether he will leave our beef farmers fade away and be driven out of existence. We need the Government to unite and say "No" to this trade agreement. It is harmful to our beef industry and will finish it. We are looking to the Tánaiste and the Government to come out with a clear statement saying "No" to it on behalf of the beef farmers.

We will vote on this in a while. We had a debate and we will vote on it.

I am not quite sure what the first questioner is looking for the Government to do. He seems to be suggesting we should reimpose milk quotas-----

No such thing. The Government is trying to con the farmers.

-----which would be absolute nonsense. The Government has been, and will continue to be, supportive of farmers and agriculture. There has been much opportunity for debate on the potential Mercosur deal in the past two days. We have a more immediate focus with regard to protecting the beef industry in particular through the Brexit process which, of course, is a big responsibility for me and the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine. I can tell the Deputies that agriculture and farming are big priorities for the weeks and months ahead.

I call Deputy Brian Stanley, who I know will be brief.

Diversification of Bord na Móna is mentioned on page 126 of the programme for Government. A total of 150 Bord na Móna workers face redundancy this year. Some of them have been made redundant. This morning, workers in Longford found out that 150 of them will be let go on a temporary basis over the next week. This is a serious situation. We are moving from brown to green and everybody accepts this must happen. The people in Laois, Offaly and Longford come from hard-working communities with a good work ethic. Many of them worked in Bord na Móna and I worked there myself. We now need to move to this transition. We are trying to play catch-up.

Where will the jobs be in counties Laois, Offaly and Longford? Workers and the communities in which they live want to know this . Where are the plans for biomass supply chains? Where are the plans for major biogas and renewable energy industries? Where are the training programmes for the thousands of workers needed for the new low energy carbon build and for retrofitting?

That is possibly a parliamentary question but if the Minister wants to make a brief intervention, he can do so.

I have given a pretty long answer to that question but perhaps the Minister wants to come in.

The Deputy is moving from our brief to greener fields in agriculture but the climate action plan has set out many of the issues he has raised with regard to how we will develop renewables. Bord na Móna has been leading the field not only with regard to renewables but in recycling and new sectors. It is a very powerful agency and is using its resources to develop new opportunities in a decarbonised world. The Government will be behind those efforts.

The programme for Government includes a commitment to improve services and increase support for people with disabilities. Some time ago, I raised the concerns of people with visual impairments in Dún Laoghaire regarding the possible closure of the NCBI office. The commitment made by the Government at the time that the services would all be retained and in no way eroded has not been met. The drop in service is effectively gone since the central administrator was in there. Many of the other services on which the visually impaired community relied upon in the Dún Laoghaire office are gone. If we ring the Dún Laoghaire office now, we get an answer in Dundalk. I do not expect the Tánaiste to know about this but I expect him to look into it because a clear commitment was given to the visually impaired community that the staffing changes would not result in an erosion or deterioration of services for them by the Government.

I will get the relevant Minister to come back to the Deputy on it.

As the Tánaiste may recall, legislation was introduced by the Government to transfer people from rent supplement to the housing assistance payment, HAP. People are finding it impossible to find a HAP property or even get their landlord to sign up for one. The Department has taken the decision to stop rent supplement payments until a HAP application has been signed up to and approved. I know of a good number of cases in which rent supplement has been withheld for months, which is putting families under threat as well as making them homeless. We need to stop this practice urgently. I am sure the Tánaiste will agree there have been unforeseen consequences as a result of the legislation because people in the welfare sector are interpreting it in this way.

Is the Tánaiste in a position to answer the question?

I would like to hear a bit more about it and perhaps I can come back to the Deputy on it. The idea of shifting people from rent supplement to the HAP was to provide more security. I see Members shaking their heads. HAP is a much better system for tenants and landlords than rent supplement.

If there are problems for individual families regarding the transition from one to the other, then we need to understand that. I will get someone to respond to the Deputy on this issue.

It is happening a lot now-----

Deputy Ellis, please.

-----because of the legislation.

I call Deputy Fiona O'Loughlin. Please, Deputy Ellis-----

It is a very serious situation.

I will follow up on it.

I am raising another serious situation. This morning I spoke to a number of apartment owners in Kildare who are being bullied and intimidated by property management companies. Apart from other issues, those owners are now being told that the maintenance fees they have to pay are being doubled. The problem is that there is a complete lack of regulation in this area. My colleague, Deputy Darragh O'Brien, introduced a Bill in this House dealing with the issue of property management companies. That Bill has passed Second Stage and provides for an ombudsman to be put in place for the 500,000 people whose properties are governed by management companies. That would help to bring resolution to disputes in this area. I know that there have been some meetings in the Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government on this issue. This is a vital issue because as time goes on, we will have many more management companies overseeing multi-apartment buildings. I would really appreciate support on this issue.

The Minister is looking at this area and I will ask him to respond directly to Deputy O'Loughlin.

The Minister for Health recently signed legislation to allow the operation of the medicinal cannabis access programme on a pilot basis for five years. Unfortunately, some of those who have a licence for medicinal cannabis in Ireland still have to go through hoops to get reimbursed for the costs of the prescription. Parents are exhausted caring for children with special and exceptional needs. One family in Waterford, the Kehoes, are having to jump through hoops to try and get this payment made. We welcome the fact that this access programme is up and running but there are still some teething problems. I would appreciate the Tánaiste raising this matter with the Minister for Health.

Deputy Cullinane has a similar question. I ask him to be brief.

I want to reinforce the comments Deputy Butler made. Deputy Gino Kenny will also be raising this issue. We have all been contacted by this family. Some weeks ago the Minister for Health was helpful regarding the case of a different family in Waterford who had a similar problem concerning their child and getting money back under the compassionate access programme. These are children with severe epilepsy. The consultants in the hospital in Waterford, as well as the general practitioners, GPs, are recommending cannabis-based oil treatment. It is necessary for them to go to Holland and elsewhere to get the money but they are not being reimbursed. The family last week was reimbursed but this family has not been. This is the Kehoe family as Deputy Butler mentioned. I ask that the HSE look at this matter in a compassionate way.

We finally had some good news last week concerning the medical cannabis access programme. This issue stems from a situation with the primary care reimbursement service. It is an arbitrary and, at worst, highly invidious system. Two weeks ago I raised with the Taoiseach issues being experienced by two families. I am referring to the Kelly and Stevens families. It is no coincidence that they were reimbursed the next day. It was because they had been forced to go public. The family whose situation we are concerned with today also has a heavy financial burden to bear. They can afford the costs of treatment for their child, Killian, in the short term but not in the long term. It is important that the Government intervenes.

I would be concerned if families were getting the supports they need solely because individual families have had to go public and get Deputies in this House to raise-----

I am not saying that it does not happen but it should not happen like that.

I know but it is true.

This access programme is very new. It is only a couple of weeks old and the guidelines are only beginning to be understood by families and doctors. I am sure there will initially be issues that we need to address, perhaps politically. We want, however, to try to get to a point where families are getting the services, supports, and access to the treatments they need without having to publicly appeal for support. That is certainly what the Minister for Health, Deputy Harris, is working on. I will, however, relay this particular issue to him.

The programme for Government commits to improving the quality of life for our younger and older people in the most disadvantaged communities. We all know that these communities consist of wonderful people who are under great social and economic pressures. We also know that suicide is a major issue in our society. There is a particular cluster of suicides in Dundalk, in Cox's Demesne and Muirhevnamore. The Redeemer centre has asked Pobal to fund a community audit across north Louth to identify these issues. Will the Government support this approach for a community audit to identify the gaps in the current allocation of resources in Dundalk, as well as options for the future?

This sounds like a very real issue and I will get somebody from the Department to respond directly to the Deputy.

The Tánaiste was previously the Minister in the Department responsible for planning and housing. There is an issue with planning around the country. Everybody is talking about getting more houses into the system. Individuals are seeking planning permission and are coming up against all sorts of regulations and hoops that they have to go through. Has the Government really looked at the planning process in the context of getting more houses built? I also want to raise the issue of frivolous referrals of planning applications to An Bord Pleanála, causing delays of six to eight months for the smallest of developments. After six months, perhaps, a letter is then issued stating that the decision date is being again deferred for a further two or three months. Has the Government closely examined this issue? There are many issues in the area of housing but this is one issue where the Government could do something if it was decisive and really examined this issue in detail. This matter is holding up development and holding up young couples getting roofs over their heads.

We have introduced new legislation on planning. There have been significant changes that are having positive results. The main change is a new direct fast-track planning system that goes straight to An Bord Pleanála for large-scale housing developments

What about small-scale developments?

That has delivered in spades, if Deputies will excuse the pun, regarding planning applications being successfully granted in the right places. There are ongoing issues and considerations but there also has to be an entitlement to offer objections and observations. There have to be rules, regulations, guidelines, zoning and so on. That provides limits but also places statutory responsibility on the State to ensure that we are building houses in the right places. I suspect that the Minister for Housing, Planning and Local Government, Deputy Eoghan Murphy, certainly keeps the kinds of issues raised by the Deputy under review all of the time.

On page 86 of the programme for Government, the Government promised to support older people in their homes, as well as the home help service. The Health Service Executive, HSE, employee assistance programme provides short-term counselling and support for home help workers who have personal and work-related problems. This is a vital service for home helpers who work long hours, sometimes in difficult and demanding conditions. Those workers may also become emotionally attached to many of the clients they work for, sometimes for a long time. The loss of an elderly client after whom they have looked for a long time is an everyday part of the job but they may need bereavement counselling. There were two counsellors in west Cork but both have now retired. The nearest counselling service is now in Cork city. Will this Government restore the employee assistance program and provide appropriate support for home care staff in west Cork or is this just another cut, through the back door, in the services provided in rural Ireland?

This is a specific question regarding west Cork. I will have to respond to the Deputy later and get the relevant person to give him the information.

Depopulation in rural regions is still a major issue. I and other rural Deputies have seen that there is no common sense when it comes to people, and particularly young couples, who want to live in rural communities. Those who want to build homes on their family's land are being denied that opportunity. What action is the Government going to take to alleviate the difficulties faced by young rural couples who want to stay in their communities and build houses on their family's land? Adopting a common-sense and fair approach would mean we could address the depopulation issue.

This is an area where we have to achieve a balance between trying to manage the extent of one-off housing and ribbon development and then trying to put in place more sustainable models for how we develop communities. I am referring to issues involved in communities living together, sharing resources and the provision of public transport networks etc. At the same time, we have to allow people to live in the parishes where they grew up and on their own land in some cases.

That is a constant balance that local authorities are trying to get right.

As a former Minister for Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government the Tánaiste will know very well that the Irish League of Credit Unions has wanted to invest in building houses for some time. In fact the Tánaiste incorporated this into his own Rebuilding Ireland programme. The league's members have €750 million ready to go straight away but they need a special purpose vehicle to be set up. They have been in negotiations with Government for a long time but nothing has happened. Credit unions would work with the approved housing bodies, AHBs, to keep borrowing off the balance sheet. We need those homes. Will the Tánaiste make a commitment that over the summer work will be done to set up this special purpose vehicle so the Irish League of Credit Unions can invest some of their considerable assets in building homes for our people?

I will come back to the Deputy on that. I am not quite sure what stage that discussion is at.

There are 700 vacancies within the mental health services. We will probably agree to disagree. There is still an embargo on recruitment and the HSE is not offering permanent posts to this year's graduates. This has also been the practice in recent years. Will the Tánaiste or the Minister for Health instruct the HSE to stop this practice? It seems senseless that we are training recruits to work in the mental health service but we do not offer them a permanent contract.

We are spending an extra €55 million on mental health this year. As I said earlier, recruitment is taking place but it has to be within the available expenditure envelopes.

I will not deprive the few other Members as it is the last day, so I ask Members to bear with me, but they will see a change the next time.

As the Tánaiste is aware, pulmonary hypertension is a rare heart and lung disease. A drug, Selexipag, has recently been approved. When will the Government and the HSE approve funding for this drug so that beneficiaries can avail of it? The drug has been well documented and Professor Sean Gaine, a well-known leading medical adviser on this disease, has asked for it to be considered.

Once a drug goes through the assessment process for drugs for rare conditions and approval is granted, it automatically follows that the finance is available in terms of making the drug available. I am not sure at what stage in the approval process the drug is actually at, but I can get the Department of Health to check with the Deputy.

Perhaps I should remind the House that even though we are going into recess there is still an opportunity to put down parliamentary questions.

They will not be answered.

Yes, but I mean written questions. The Deputy knows what I mean.

About two years ago I raised the issue of Solas, a purpose-built house for children with disabilities in Sligo. It was closed. About this time last year we were told that a new facility called Bayview Respite Service would be opened in Tullaghan in County Leitrim. I am not sure which agency was to run it but it was not the HSE. It may have been the Rehab Group. For the last six months Deputies from across Leitrim and Sligo have been asking when it would be opened. We were told it would be opened shortly. It opened three weeks ago and the first people went into it. Yesterday a fire officer came and closed it. For almost two years people in the north west have been waiting for respite and unable to get it. We now find that a house that has been opened by the private sector is not going to work. We really need to get answers in regard to this.

The Tánaiste got the question after the first sentence. Is there no Minister for Health here?

I suspect even a Minister for Health would not be able to give the detail of a fire officer's report.

Why close down a perfectly good house?

It is an important issue. I will try to get somebody who can give the Deputy the answer.

I am glad to see the Minister for Housing, Planing and Local Government is here. Between January and 20 June, 90 Wicklow families presented to the Wicklow local authority as homeless. One of those families has had to resort to one of the local papers, which I am holding in my hand, to try to highlight their case and how they are being treated. Lauren and her husband, Jensen, presented as homeless in June. After a considerable period of time they were offered what can only be described as substandard accommodation in a bed and breakfast-----

The Deputy cannot advertise newspapers here. He is well capable making his own case.

----where there were rats and faeces and blood was evident on the sheets. They complained and were subsequently put out of the accommodation. The Minister is aware because I have raised this with him directly.

Deputy Brady must conclude. The Minister is an intelligent man.

Can I conclude? That family had to resort to-----

We will move on. I call on Deputy Quinlivan.

-----sleeping in their car. They were subsequently offered accommodation in County Carlow-----

I ask the Deputy to resume his seat.

I raised this issue three weeks ago-----

Deputy Brady must have some respect for the Chair.

I asked the Minister to do me the courtesy-----

I call Deputy Quinlivan.

-----of allowing me to meet with him and his officials to deal with the serious issue-----

Deputy Brady must resume his seat.


I am not allowing the Minister to respond.

It is a absolute disgrace. It is so disrespectful to the Chair.

Deputy Brady is abusing his position. He has no monopoly on time in this House.

Deputy Brady is abusing his position. I call on Deputy Quinlivan.

I am sorry, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle. Can I get a response?

You do not deserve one.

The Minister has not given-----

You do not deserve it.


This family deserves a response. The Minister's silence has been deafening. Not only-----

Deputy Brady is now lying. I have spoken-----

To say the least, Deputy Brady is being disorderly. Deputy Brady is abusing his position.

Can I get a response?

He is abusing his position. If the Deputy does not resume his seat I will ask him to leave the House.

Can I get a response?

I will ask him to leave the House if he does not resume his seat.

If the Leas-Cheann Comhairle tells me I will get a response from the Minister I will resume my seat. Can I get a response from the Minister?

Listen to me, please.

Will the Leas-Cheann Comhairle ensure the Minister responds?

Will the Deputy listen to me? He must resume his seat.

He will not listen to anyone.

If Deputy Brady does not resume his seat------

Will the Minister-----

Deputy Brady may have another motive. I might oblige him.

Can I get an answer?

I call on Deputy Quinlivan. The House has been very-----

Deputy Brady is shameless.

Can I get a response?

Deputy Brady should listen to me and resume his seat. He has been totally disorderly. I gave him an opportunity to raise this. He brought in a newspaper. He is well able to make his own case without bringing in advertisements. Deputy Brady must not interrupt. I am warning him.

Can I get a response?

Deputy Brady may be playing another game.

I am not playing any game.

He obviously is. On the last day of sitting I will not allow-----


Deputy Brady has no monopoly on time in this House. He has abused his position. I have been more than fair to the Members of this House. I will give the Minister 30 seconds to respond. If he does not wish to do so I cannot force him.

These are bully boy tactics.

Deputy Brady is trying to misconstrue both my interaction with him in the last few weeks and the interaction between my Department and the planning and housing authorities in his constituency.

He is abusing all of the Members of this House. He is not trying to get to the core of the issues involved. Time and time again, as his party has done, he has tried to use individual families in very difficult circumstances-----


Deputy Brady may force me-----

-----for his own political attention and gain. It is disgusting.

The Minister is using this as an opportunity to attack me.

On this side of the House we are in the business of helping families, not using their hurt to our advantage. Deputy Brady embarrasses himself.

This is shameful.

I call Deputy Quinlivan. There are more Members in this House than Deputy Brady.

Page 11 of the programme for Government contains a commitment to reducing waiting times in emergency departments. In Limerick this week we have seen-----

We must have the question.

The question is coming. We have seen a disgraceful situation in which 290 people have been on trolleys in the last four days. Some 81 people are on trolleys as we speak. The Irish Nurses and Midwives Organisation, INMO, has asked for a major emergency plan for the hospital and for all activity in the hospital to be halted with the exception of emergency admissions.

We have gone well over time.

Will the Tánaiste ask the Minister of Health to agree to an emergency-emergency plan for University Hospital Limerick?

The Tánaiste might pass Deputy Quinlivan's question to the Minister for Health.

I refer to the proposal to establish a cross-Government youth mental health pathfinder team with participation from the Department of Health, the Department of Education and Skills and the Department of Children and Youth Affairs. It has Civil Service, management board and ministerial approval. This cross-Government collaboration utilises section 12 of the Public Service Management Act 1997.

This section of the Act has never been used before. The Department of Health has engaged with the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and must work out the logistics of trying to implement this. I would be grateful if the Minister could give me a timeline and deadlines for the implementation of the proposal.

That is what promised legislation is about.

I will have the Minister revert to the Deputy with an exact answer on that. It represents positive progress. I take the opportunity to wish him well in the next few weeks. He is getting married, which is to enter a new institution that I can highly recommend. I wish good luck to him over the summer.

With that go the best wishes of all Members to Deputy Neville. Before we move to the next business, I express my gratitude and that of the Ceann Comhairle to the staff of the House at all levels for their support. Without that support, the House would not work as effectively as it does. I was going to say efficiently, but I will let that run. Is mian linn ár mbuíochas a ghabháil le foireann Theach Laighean go léir. Tá súil againn go mbainfidh siad sult as an mbriseadh.